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The use of "bastions" in Syria was a surprise for American experts

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During the fighting in Syria, the Russian army successfully tested a variety of high-precision models. weapons. Among them is the anti-ship complex "Bastion", writes Messenger of Mordovia.




The publication reminds that it was the Bastion radar that was highlighted by the now infamous American destroyer Donald Cook during the events in Crimea in 2014. As a result, the American command hastily recalled its ship from the Russian shores.

“With the deployment of Russian troops in Syria, the“ Bastions ”of the Russian Navy have already been deployed there. Of course, there were no official reports on this topic. Therefore, the combat use of this weapon in November last year was a real shock not only for American and NATO experts, but even for some Russian specialists, ”the newspaper notes.

The use of "bastions" in Syria was a surprise for American experts


The Russian defense ministry rather effectively presented this news - A video appeared on the Internet with launching missiles that hit objects of terrorists with high accuracy.

The onyx cruise missiles used in the complex are capable of hitting sea targets at a distance of 350 km, and ground targets at a distance of 450 km. A missile can deliver a warhead weighing several hundred kilograms at the lowest possible altitude, and therefore it is very difficult to intercept.

Due to the highly mobile chassis "Astrologer", the complex can quickly change its position. “According to its characteristics,“ Bastions ”can be considered the best weapon in their class, and for a long time hardly anyone in the world can create something like that,” concludes the publication.
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Encyclopedia of Syrian military, Russian Ministry of Defense
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 December 2017 13: 35 New
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    A video appeared on the Internet with launching missiles that hit terrorist targets with high accuracy.

    That is, the Bastions are successfully able to work not only for naval targets but also for objects on land ... And something tells me that the range there is at least 600 km. And with the adoption of Zircon in general will be fun ...
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 19 December 2017 13: 38 New
      13
      the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2017 13: 39 New
        47
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        It all depends on the object. It is clear that the Bastions have a different specialization than work on land stationary objects, but as a pleasant addition they are quite suitable.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 19 December 2017 13: 49 New
          38
          The presence of “Bastions” in Syria is such a subtle hint of the United States and its mongrel.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 19 December 2017 13: 53 New
            40
            Quote: Jedi
            The presence of “Bastions” in Syria is such a subtle hint of the United States and its mongrel.

            If Iran buys the Bastions, it will be a very thick hint to the Saudis that the oil crane through the channels can be quickly shut off.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 19 December 2017 13: 54 New
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              Note: I just thought about it, and you voiced it. good drinks
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 19 December 2017 14: 16 New
                +6
                Greetings))
                The use of "bastions" in Syria was a surprise for American experts
                and for me too))))
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 19 December 2017 14: 20 New
                  +9
                  The namesake, hello! hi If this has become a "surprise" for us, I’m afraid to imagine the smell from the USA. All sorts of "donaldokuki" scratch turnips ... bully
                  1. maxim947
                    maxim947 19 December 2017 14: 43 New
                    +4
                    Yes, this is a clear demonstration for doubting "partners" in the effectiveness of the complex.
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 19 December 2017 14: 46 New
                      +4
                      Well, some will have to moderate their appetites. yes
            2. katana
              katana 19 December 2017 14: 18 New
              +5
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Jedi
              The presence of “Bastions” in Syria is such a subtle hint of the United States and its mongrel.

              If Iran buys the Bastions, it will be a very thick hint to the Saudis that the oil crane through the channels can be quickly shut off.

              If Iran blocks the Persian Gulf, it will be smeared on the wall. Persians are not fools, they understand everything perfectly.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 22 New
                16
                Quote: katana
                If Iran blocks the Persian Gulf, it will be smeared on the wall. Persians are not fools, they understand everything perfectly.

                Seriously? Is Iran also not telling you anything about oil? And the Saudis are its direct competitors. DPRK have already tried to "smudge" so what?
                1. katana
                  katana 19 December 2017 14: 43 New
                  +6
                  Don’t rush - the DPRK is still ahead - we’ll see after the winter Olympics in the South Caucasus. Besides, how will Iran export its expensive oil if the Persian Gulf is blocked for profit? Or do you think from the simplicity of your heart that Saudi Arabia has only a bow with arrows and they will not be able to cause damage to Iranian tankers? laughing And who will buy oil from such a state, which suits the blockade?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 48 New
                    10
                    Quote: katana
                    Or do you, from the simplicity of your soul, think that Saudi Arabia has only bows and arrows and they will not be able to cause damage to Iranian tankers?

                    They made fun ... of course, the warriors from the Saudis are notable. Here I see how they are scared by the rebels of Yemen and come to the conclusion that it doesn’t make a sound, because the hero is a superman. wassat
                    Quote: katana
                    And who will buy oil from such a state, which suits the blockade?

                    And all who need it. There is the whole neck of the Russian Federation in sanctions and blockades, but hydrocarbons are bought very quickly from us.
                    1. katana
                      katana 19 December 2017 15: 13 New
                      +4
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Quote: katana
                      Or do you, from the simplicity of your soul, think that Saudi Arabia has only bows and arrows and they will not be able to cause damage to Iranian tankers?

                      They made fun ... of course, the warriors from the Saudis are notable. Here I see how they are scared by the rebels of Yemen and come to the conclusion that it doesn’t make a sound, because the hero is a superman. wassat
                      Quote: katana
                      And who will buy oil from such a state, which suits the blockade?

                      And all who need it. There is the whole neck of the Russian Federation in sanctions and blockades, but hydrocarbons are bought very quickly from us.

                      Do you think that only Saudi Arabia will do the “bandwagon” to Iran and no one will hang on to it? And this despite the fact that the Iranians will actually block the transport artery that feeds the whole world with oil? Yes, China itself will squeeze the mullah so that they won’t see enough .Of course, this scenario is simply heavenly manna for Russian Petrocracy, but it is from the field of works of authors of science fiction novels. In addition, if you so mockingly describe the Saudi war against the Hussites, then take the trouble to remember how many years Russia has been fighting in Syria, but not one , but practically with a whole somn of countries against the notorious IS.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 19 December 2017 15: 17 New
                        +6
                        Quote: katana
                        Yes, the same China will squeeze the mullah so that they will not find it enough.

                        China is building its channel ... it has Saudi problems to the bulb, and they will agree with Iran.
                        Quote: katana
                        Of course, this scenario is simply heavenly manna for Russian Petrocracy, but it is from the field of works of authors of science fiction novels.

                        What are you saying! wassat I will listen to you when Iran speaks of the purchase of the Bastions and Balls.
                        Quote: katana
                        how many years Russia has been fighting in Syria, and not just one, but practically with a whole somn of countries against the notorious IS.

                        Hmm ... and how much? 2 years! Straight for ages. wassat
                      2. katana
                        katana 19 December 2017 15: 25 New
                        +3
                        Which channel is China building? In addition, it’s one thing to buy this weapon is another thing to use it. That’s Adyus, amigo. Advertise your Bastions, Persian mullahs who are sick on their heads and buy them. At the same time, put them in Cuba - it will instantly these missiles will joke the entire US Navy! wassat laughing
                      3. kuznec
                        kuznec 19 December 2017 18: 39 New
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                        Vardan, not with som, but with host. In addition, Russia is always alone, with rare exceptions. Where is the host? Iran, hezbollah, and all that? Well, maybe Turkey, which you got a sickle on the genitals today. And you count the number of countries of the so-called. "coalitions":

                        The list of states included in the anti-terrorist coalition consists of Albania, Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iraq , Ireland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lithuania, Latvia, Lebanon, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, India, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, South Korea, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Turkey, U Krajins, UAE and Great Britain.
                        And all the henchmen of the SGA in fact. Unfortunately, and Serbia.
                        So wash yourself.
                        About your nickname.
                        Katana is a very mediocre sword, in comparison, for example, with the European knightly or our sword, I tell you as a blacksmith. Legends about katana archival properties are legends based on single copies. You do not belong to them.
                      4. dustycat
                        dustycat 20 December 2017 09: 16 New
                        +1
                        Quote: katana
                        take the trouble to remember how many years Russia has been fighting in Syria, and not just one, but practically with a whole somn of countries against the notorious IS.

                        Ага.
                        Only the SGA coalition has been quietly there since 2012, and the SGA itself has been sitting there since the time of the hanging of Saddam and stupidly hunting for tractors is certainly a trifle.
                        And all the music began only with the introduction of parts of the Russian Federation into Syria and the hunt did not begin for tractors, but for caravans of oil carriers and ISIS itself.
                        Moreover, everything stemmed from the military pro-government formations of Syria and only in time to occupy part of Syria the SGA Coalition (miraculously parodying with a slight plus point the Third Reich, only some general named Adolf didn’t think of putting the coalition at the head of the coalition and apparently hesitated) began something real apply against ISIS.
                  2. sivuch
                    sivuch 19 December 2017 17: 51 New
                    +4
                    Anyone, especially since the sources of oil will be reduced.
                    And where is the Persian Gulf with the Saudis and where are the Iranian terminals.
                  3. not main
                    not main 19 December 2017 22: 24 New
                    +4
                    Quote: katana
                    And who will buy oil from such a state, which suits the blockade?

                    Yes, those who bought oil from ISIS! To whom is war, and to whom is “mother dear”
                  4. Cynic
                    Cynic 20 December 2017 07: 23 New
                    +2
                    Quote: katana
                    after the winter olympiad in the UK we will see

                    Taki heat need just during the Olympics to watch. There is a precedent ...
                    1. mart-kot
                      mart-kot 20 December 2017 14: 32 New
                      0
                      yes and not one
                  5. dustycat
                    dustycat 20 December 2017 09: 05 New
                    +1
                    Who will be?
                    China has already laid pipes through the former Soviet Central Asia to Iran.
                    Pakistan is pulling two strings, in addition to a bunch of temporary shelters and oil tankers are caravaning here and there.
                    Kazakhs and Kirghiz oil carriers are driving back and forth.
                    India is standing in line.
                    Many who need Iranian oil.
                  6. Peter Rusin
                    Peter Rusin 28 March 2018 10: 55 New
                    0
                    and we buy by barter and process Iranian oil !! China is buying!
            3. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 19 December 2017 18: 26 New
              0
              If Iran purchases
              Gauges and more will generally be good, so you can immediately put American mongrels in the region in place, especially if it’s still all to cover the missile defense / air defense. good
        2. katana
          katana 19 December 2017 14: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Shura Perm
          the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

          It all depends on the object. It is clear that the Bastions have a different specialization than work on land stationary objects, but as a pleasant addition they are quite suitable.

          As far as I know, the “Bastion” was in service with the Syrian army before the outbreak of civil war in this country. About the unexpected surprise for the forces of a potential adversary the author of this article broadcasts for me, in general, “a dark forest.”
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 19 New
            +7
            Quote: katana
            As far as I know, the “Bastion” was in service with the Syrian army before the outbreak of civil war in this country. About the unexpected surprise for the forces of a potential adversary the author of this article broadcasts for me, in general, “a dark forest.”

            The surprise is that the anti-shipable complex is able to work on ground targets. Moreover, at ranges, I think, far more than marine non-stationary targets.
            1. katana
              katana 19 December 2017 14: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: katana
              As far as I know, the “Bastion” was in service with the Syrian army before the outbreak of civil war in this country. About the unexpected surprise for the forces of a potential adversary the author of this article broadcasts for me, in general, “a dark forest.”

              The surprise is that the anti-shipable complex is able to work on ground targets. Moreover, at ranges, I think, far more than marine non-stationary targets.

              Why did you emphasize your word NOT STATIONARY - because you yourself understand the weakness of your argument - if an anti-ship missile works for non-stationary targets at sea, then it is easy to do this for barmoley sheds. For anyone in the world this fact is not a surprise. In the middle of the last century, the Shtatovs successfully tested anti-aircraft missiles against ships, that is, they used the air defense system as anti-ship missiles.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 55 New
                +5
                Quote: katana
                Why did you emphasize your word NOT STATIONARY

                Because the range of RCC on a stationary target will be a priori MORE.
                Quote: katana
                Back in the middle of the last century, the Shtatovs successfully tested anti-aircraft missiles against ships, that is, they used the air defense system as anti-ship missiles.

                You do not bubble like that ... RCC Onyx is a relatively new rocket. And to show that this missile is capable of hitting ground targets, however, like the S-300/400 air defense missiles, the thing is necessary.
                1. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by 19 December 2017 16: 24 New
                  +9
                  Young, all-knowing, hot-hot, really bad ...
                  In addition, I am confident in the exclusivity, omnipotence and infallibility of the guys behind the puddle.
                  ... Iran will be smeared (so easily a nuclear country in the very center of a semi-oil-supplying region?), Missile defense like a missile defense system (ECA is not visible to us, but where does the missile defense mean, if we are talking about the Bastion), which channel is China building (is it lack of curiosity or inability to read? ), since anti-ship missiles can hit a moving ship, then they can easily reach a stationary ground target (but it turns out to be far from a fact, there are such small problems) ...
                  There is at least a lack of erudition, and maybe, oh God! even education.
                  But aplomb above the roof.
                  Who zombified him like that?
              2. kuznec
                kuznec 19 December 2017 18: 45 New
                +6
                Mdaaaa. So many posts a week after registration - Vardan, where do you get your salary? In the State Department, or in affiliates, it seems.
                For 5 years I posted less. I need to work, however, and not tryndet.
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 19 December 2017 14: 31 New
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            Quote: katana
            As far as I know, "Bastion" was in service with the Syrian army before the outbreak of civil war in this country

            SCRK "Bastion" was delivered to Syria in 2011 during the outbreak of the civil war, and not before. And the surprise for the Yankees and you personally was the use of the anti-ship complex for GROUND purposes.
            Quote: katana
            for me in general "dark forest.

            Here I agree with you, much for you is a dark forest. wink
            1. katana
              katana 19 December 2017 14: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: 79807420129
              Quote: katana
              As far as I know, "Bastion" was in service with the Syrian army before the outbreak of civil war in this country

              SCRK "Bastion" was delivered to Syria in 2011 during the outbreak of the civil war, and not before. And the surprise for the Yankees and you personally was the use of the anti-ship complex for GROUND purposes.
              Quote: katana
              for me in general "dark forest.

              Here I agree with you, much for you is a dark forest. wink

              The author of the article, and it looks like you, proceeding from the Suvorov principle — to surprise — means to win! The ability of anti-ship missiles to work on ground targets has long been known — you have not discovered America, as the author of the article is trying to imagine, and you are with him.
        3. Sergey39
          Sergey39 19 December 2017 15: 49 New
          0
          The bastion is a coastal iskander. What's the difference ?
        4. passerby5
          passerby5 23 December 2017 14: 15 New
          0
          Yes and again, the same test in combat. why in vain to shoot at the landfills. I myself remember on the embe: tomorrow at 5.40 there will be an unexpected alarm)))) so we slept with machines, so that we don’t spend time on getting it, but in cars and deployment
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 19 December 2017 13: 49 New
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        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        But they tested in combat conditions, well, nobody canceled the advertising engine of the trade hi
        1. katana
          katana 19 December 2017 14: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: 79807420129
          Quote: Shura Perm
          the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

          But they tested in combat conditions, well, nobody canceled the advertising engine of the trade hi

          Shooting barnoleys in a barn is not a test in combat conditions. They could just as well shoot at firing ranges.
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 19 December 2017 14: 43 New
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            Quote: katana
            Shooting barnoleys in a barn is not a test in combat conditions. They could just as well shoot at firing ranges.

            What are you, dear Razmik laughing the barn with barmaleys is not a goal for you, especially the barmalei don’t care about them, wouldn’t have been destroyed by the Bastion, would have been destroyed by Caliber or VKS, but the fact that you scratch your turnips together with mattress covers and now you think it might not be worth approaching with an unfriendly a visit to the shores of Russia and Syria is the main test. And no one has canceled advertising on the arms market, but they still advertise weapons in the combat zone, and not on TV. wink
      3. 75 hammer
        75 hammer 19 December 2017 13: 54 New
        13
        There are field tests, but there are tests in conditions close to combat. Than just a target, it’s better to go to the ammunition depot, where weapons from the FSA and Israel happened by chance!
      4. strelets_2
        strelets_2 19 December 2017 14: 01 New
        +1
        It is said, ".... tested a variety of models of the WTO ..." !!! And how else to evaluate the effectiveness, if not in combat use? !!!
      5. The_lancet
        The_lancet 19 December 2017 14: 08 New
        +3
        The publication recalls that it was the Bastion’s radar that was illuminated by the now infamous American destroyer Donald Cook

        Why is he notorious? There were no tragedies with him
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 19 December 2017 14: 17 New
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          Quote: The_Lancet
          Why is he notorious? There were no tragedies with him

          And thank God that did not happen yes Only now many Black Sea states neighing for two months, every Crimea has seen both good and bad, but they have not seen such a drape. hi
        2. katana
          katana 19 December 2017 14: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: The_Lancet
          The publication recalls that it was the Bastion’s radar that was illuminated by the now infamous American destroyer Donald Cook

          Why is he notorious? There were no tragedies with him

          According to the website of VO-Americans, it was liquid after irradiation and all the latrines were driven by excrement from the ship. A Russian submarine took water samples from the destroyer and confirmed that American sailors had liquid diarrhea! wassat bully
        3. Foxmara
          Foxmara 20 March 2018 12: 09 New
          0
          Quote: The_Lancet
          Why is he notorious? There were no tragedies with him

          There is a small mistake. Not sad, but scandalous. Rumor has it that after this ship entered the World Cup and more than a dozen calls of our drying above it from Cook, many brave warriors went ashore and did not return. Echoes of that laugh are still heard on the Internet. Is it strange that you are not in the know then did not follow the news ??
      6. gurzuf
        gurzuf 19 December 2017 14: 24 New
        +1
        Sparrows realized this and began to tweet less laughing
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 December 2017 14: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        And if the launch was at the test site for plywood targets, would it be more profitable? And here they tested the weapons and the barmaley were gouged and arranged shows for the "partners"
      8. Berber
        Berber 19 December 2017 14: 28 New
        0
        Once again experienced. Well, then, do you know for what purposes they were used?
      9. chenia
        chenia 19 December 2017 14: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are disproportionate.


        So it’s a test and with benefit. If successful, twice happy.
      10. dubovitskiy.1947
        dubovitskiy.1947 19 December 2017 14: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        Test launches on cardboard targets generally have no estimated cost. Have you read Aesop's fables in childhood? About Fox and grapes the most memorable?
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 19 December 2017 22: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
          Quote: Shura Perm
          the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

          Test launches on cardboard targets generally have no estimated cost. Have you read Aesop's fables in childhood? About Fox and grapes the most memorable?


          how is it not ?? But how much labor does this cardboard bring, build an enemy semblance of it? after the shot sweep it all away. recourse then disinfect the air - how much alcohol is there according to the plan? repeat and here - everyone built, prepared - train only! laughing
      11. Uryukc
        Uryukc 19 December 2017 15: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        At that time, they shot at the bunker, Caliber would not have taken it, there is a suspicion that Onyx could not cope. The video of the barmalei showing the results of the attack shows that the warhead did not penetrate the bunker, although the video was not inside, so most likely everything was ruined there. So they wailed on what could have been appropriate and only effective. Of course Onyxes are more expensive than the lives of the Islamists, but as you know, Pont is more expensive than money. In general, they did everything right.
      12. svp67
        svp67 19 December 2017 16: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Shura Perm
        yen rockets and the price of the destroyed are incommensurable ... a cannon on sparrows scorching ...

        Yes, if only the rocket was no longer written off ... And in this light, I still didn’t understand what our "pre-infarction" Granites "with" Kuznetsova "and" Peter "did not shoot at the time ...
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 19 December 2017 16: 44 New
          0
          Kuznetsov had yet to go back past the "friendly Europe" home. What if ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 19 December 2017 16: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Vlad.by
            What if ...

            B.K. it was possible to "refresh" directly into the sea ...
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 19 December 2017 19: 48 New
              +2
              What for? More recently, Granites fired at the ground in the north. The characteristics confirmed why the extra money should be transferred.
              And they are not so, Granites, pre-infarction ...
              1. dubovitskiy.1947
                dubovitskiy.1947 20 December 2017 00: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Vlad.by
                What for? More recently, Granites fired at the ground in the north. The characteristics confirmed why the extra money should be transferred.
                And they are not so, Granites, pre-infarction ...

                Somehow you do not consecutively argue. In 1940, the gunners, saving, shot three times during the service, and the total in rubles if you evaluate .....? 27 million lives are not counted. You are not interested in this, but in pieces of paper?
      13. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 19 December 2017 20: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        How much does it cost to shoot a paper teddy bear? And now, do not go to the shooting range, but only "train" at the Constitutional Court?
      14. vrazhin
        vrazhin 19 December 2017 21: 35 New
        0
        ????? it is better to shoot at the landfill on ants?
      15. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 19 December 2017 22: 05 New
        +1
        training and experience in battle
      16. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 20 December 2017 07: 25 New
        +2
        Was it worth it to test weapons in real combat? And our "partners" had to make sure that the complex was working, so that false illusions would not arise in the future. And according to your logic, any test, and even more so the use of weapons in exercises (the enemy is generally imaginary there) is complete stupidity.
      17. Cynic
        Cynic 20 December 2017 07: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Shura Perm
        a cannon on sparrows scorching ...

        And what is better in the white light, as in a pretty penny at the landfill?
        Field tests in combat are worth a lot!
        1. passerby5
          passerby5 23 December 2017 16: 21 New
          0
          with your permission: full-scale tests at the training ground are expensive (in greenhouse conditions), but in combat, they are really, really expensive
      18. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 20 December 2017 09: 48 New
        0
        First, we will test on terrorists, and then on purpose on the main enemy.
      19. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 20 December 2017 14: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        Sparrows got it))
        What is the price of a rocket whose shelf life has expired ?. It is possible to check in a new place for real objects with analysis of the effect, which is for progress and advertising plus ..
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 26 December 2017 12: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Konstantin Yu.
          the price of a rocket whose shelf life has expired?

          The price of utilization, the same is far from a penny ...
      20. asv96
        asv96 21 December 2017 09: 02 New
        +1
        What is more expensive to go out on a range or for a specific purpose? Shmalnut still need.
      21. Jarserge
        Jarserge 22 December 2017 11: 16 New
        0
        So it is true, but no one has canceled the test in combat conditions, and even there it is clearly not a training ground. ISIS has no aircraft carriers and destroyers
      22. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 23 December 2017 23: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Shura Perm
        the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

        Yes, my young friend, if I fuck you with a hoe, they will give me five years, really. And if the "Bastion", then five lard $. The choice is made, and what do you advise, my dear? (and you don’t have to shag grandma)
      23. wisealtair
        wisealtair April 2 2018 16: 02 New
        0
        Yes, even a rocket on the sparrows. The point is not at all the price of hitting a target.
    2. Vard
      Vard 19 December 2017 13: 39 New
      +8
      Battle trials are a very necessary thing ... Now we can say with confidence ... It works ...
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 19 December 2017 13: 43 New
        +1
        Firing range for business.
      2. svp67
        svp67 19 December 2017 16: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Vard
        Now we can say with confidence ... It works ...

        And it pleases, but something too often began to hear, "but something went wrong ..."
    3. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 19 December 2017 13: 58 New
      +3
      normal practice
      16 October 2016 years on the SF, SSGN Ave. 949 "Smolensk" fired anti-ship missile R-700 "Granite" on Novaya Zemlya
      26 October 2017 submarine Ave. 949A "Voronezh" also made a launch, anti-ship missile R-700 on Novaya Zemlya
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        normal practice
        16 October 2016 years on the SF, SSGN Ave. 949 "Smolensk" fired anti-ship missile R-700 "Granite" on Novaya Zemlya
        26 October 2017 submarine Ave. 949A "Voronezh" also made a launch, anti-ship missile R-700 on Novaya Zemlya

        Granites were most likely close to write-offs ... and they were used for business, and hinted to sworn friends that our anti-ship missiles are capable of working on ground targets. Moreover, even those that were created in the USSR.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 19 December 2017 14: 12 New
          +2
          By the way, in November of the 2016 - February of the 2017 of the year, which one of the SSGNs of 949A Ave was part of the operational connection of the Russian Navy off the coast of Syria.
          so it’s possible not only the Bastions to shoot
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 December 2017 14: 01 New
      11
      Quote: NEXUS
      That is, the Bastions are successfully able to work not only on sea targets but also on land objects ...

      In this case, formallyas coastal SCRC, not falling under the INF Treaty.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Moreover, formally, as coastal SCRC, without falling under the INF Treaty.

        To the very point. wink good But I think, who will notice this ... laughing
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 December 2017 14: 07 New
          +2
          Here is another interesting question - but will the “caliber” fit into the Bastion launcher of the Kyrgyz Republic - more precisely, 3M14? wink
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 19 December 2017 14: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Here is another interesting question - but will the “caliber” fit into the Bastion launcher of the Kyrgyz Republic - more precisely, 3M14? wink

            A UNIVERSAL launcher has already been developed ... and I think that it will be installed both on ships and onshore complexes, since the missile nomenclature is being updated on the approach of Zircon.
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 19 December 2017 14: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey RA
        without falling under the INF Treaty.

        Very accurately and on time noticed!
      3. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 19 December 2017 17: 06 New
        0
        If they hadn’t fallen, then hundreds of Club-M would have been armed for a long time.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 December 2017 17: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Mimoprohodil
          If they hadn’t fallen, then hundreds of Club-M would have been armed for a long time.

          If the "Bastions" fell under the INF Treaty, then they would not have been accepted into service at all - as violating the Treaty.
    5. Sargas
      Sargas 19 December 2017 15: 08 New
      +2
      If Onyx gets into it, then if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, it means that in the Bastion the launching standard is Club. And this means that you can also charge the marine version of the rocket in the Bastion, which flies for 2000 ++ km ...
    6. kuznec
      kuznec 19 December 2017 18: 20 New
      +4
      Taki and need to check the club in the face)) And not just to threaten.
    7. Maz
      Maz 19 December 2017 20: 02 New
      0
      "Bastions" can be considered the best weapons in their class, and for a long time it is unlikely that anyone in the world will be able to create something like this, "..... well, aren't you ashamed! What about Israel? Shaw, forgot?
    8. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2017 22: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      That is, the Bastions are successfully able to work not only on naval targets, but also on objects on land ..
      Andrei, about 2-3, I shared this info (then obtained through the OBS channel) with a colleague, Professor, who spoke out about this with all-destructive skepticism ... Just like with the use of the AMNS in the Yemen ... There was more than enough mistrust . Today, RTR is ringing all the bells about it ...
      (So ​​trust the people after that,
      I surrendered to him under the moon,
      And he took ...
      ... learn to knit knots, cattle!)
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 December 2017 23: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Andrey, about 2-3 years old,

        Sasha, I knew that coastal complexes are able to work on the ground 2 years ago. I will say more, and our S-400/300 air defense systems are also able to do this. The issue of price. The granites then shot not so long ago. The truth was already then being thought about what would remain of the target if such a fool hit. I’m modestly silent about Vulcan.
  2. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 19 December 2017 13: 50 New
    +3
    Massaraksh Shoigu - SNAKE, damn it! He pulled out everything Soviet and pulled the Russian in the right direction. The main thing is that after Putin and Shoigu we are not left in the train, people have already believed. They almost believed it.
    1. kuznec
      kuznec 19 December 2017 18: 21 New
      +3
      For quoting the Strugatsky - a special plus sign)) Massaraks))
  3. PalBor
    PalBor 19 December 2017 13: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: Shura Perm
    the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

    Well, why ... A missile on desert ships.
    1. strelets_2
      strelets_2 19 December 2017 14: 04 New
      +1
      "Caution in the office - woodpeckers"! Ad at the reception,
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 December 2017 06: 24 New
      +3
      Missile on desert ships.

      And here the Bastion works as for sea purposes

      and on land
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 19 December 2017 14: 02 New
    +3
    If the mattress experts "liked" the Russian "Bastion" to a state of shock, then it remains just to rejoice for Russia and for our weapons.
  5. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 19 December 2017 14: 09 New
    0
    Universality, simplicity of design and operation, have always been
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 19 December 2017 14: 10 New
      0
      A distinctive feature of Russian weapons
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 December 2017 14: 09 New
    +1
    Well, "Bastions" .... so what? Why haven’t we seen RCC in Syria before? Have the X-35 missiles been forgotten already? tongue
  7. san4es
    san4es 19 December 2017 14: 13 New
    +5
    Therefore, the combat use of this weapon in November last year was a real shock not only for American and NATO experts, but even for some of the Russian specialists ”

  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 December 2017 14: 24 New
    +1
    PS By the way, an interesting "parallel" looms! RCC "Onyx" ("Yakhont") ---- "BrahMos". In service with the Indian Army, a missile system (similar to the "bastion") has been adopted wink ) with the "land" version of the anti-ship missile system BrahMos. The main feature is special software that allows the Brahmos to hit radio-contrast targets on land ...
  9. gromoboj
    gromoboj 19 December 2017 16: 10 New
    0
    Only Iskanders haven’t been there yet.
  10. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 19 December 2017 16: 41 New
    0
    Interestingly, it turns out we can shoot both on land and on the sea .... and we don’t care which object to drown, or smash it to smithereens .... analysts at NATO and the Pentagon got brain dislocation .......... .... wassat
  11. Maz
    Maz 19 December 2017 20: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    By the way, in November of the 2016 - February of the 2017 of the year, which one of the SSGNs of 949A Ave was part of the operational connection of the Russian Navy off the coast of Syria.
    so it’s possible not only the Bastions to shoot

    They can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
  12. misti1973
    misti1973 19 December 2017 22: 26 New
    +2
    And on what and why did they try the Bastion in Syria? As far as I know, these are launchers for anti-ship missiles. Or is this not so? Maybe Caliber is already launching from them? Then the Americans are right about breaking the INF Treaty. This is very bad, if so! One weapon cannot be defeated in a geopolitical battle. The arms race played a significant role in the collapse of the USSR. And today's Russia is not a couple of the USSR! As for Donold Cook, this has been known for a long time (at least for me) - the Bastion was illuminated, and the Su-24 with the electronic intelligence complex wrote parameters. And none of the sailors wrote reports about the contract breaking. They, after clashes or similar things, required psychological help! He refused, sign it:) So that later he would not run around the courts. This, brothers, America! But our cheers-patriotic hamsters screamed and walked for two years, believing in this bullshit! Some still believe :) I am for objectivity.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 December 2017 22: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: misti1973
      And on what and why did they try the Bastion in Syria?

      In the sheds.
      Demonstration of the capabilities of the complex in natural conditions. Public, notice, a demonstration.
      For lack of sea targets - ground targets.
      That's all conspiracy theories request
  13. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 19 December 2017 22: 38 New
    0
    The main thing is that in caliber they are suitable for other shots, then everything will be fine, i.e. how to.
  14. Old26
    Old26 19 December 2017 23: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Well, "Bastions" .... so what? Why haven’t we seen RCC in Syria before? Have the X-35 missiles been forgotten already? tongue

    And do not remind when and where in Syria the X-35 was used? A RCC in Syria have long been. And the "Redoubts" and "Frontiers", and the "Bastions" ...

    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Mimoprohodil
    If they hadn’t fallen, then hundreds of Club-M would have been armed for a long time.

    If the "Bastions" fell under the INF Treaty, then they would not have been accepted into service at all - as violating the Treaty.

    I just don’t understand one thing, but what about the range of the Bastion and the INF Treaty. The range of the "Bastion" even when firing at ground targets is 450 km, which is less than the lower threshold of the contract

    Quote: NEXUS
    The surprise is that the anti-shipable complex is able to work on ground targets. Moreover, at ranges, I think, far more than marine non-stationary targets.

    He became capable of this EMNIP only in 2016 ... Range of 100 km more than for naval targets
  15. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 20 December 2017 06: 08 New
    0
    “By their characteristics, the Bastions can be considered the best weapons in their class, and for a long time it is unlikely that anyone in the world will be able to create something like this”
    This is the most important thing because to create this will take a lot of time and money from everyone, and it’s better to buy everything Russian.
  16. Old military officer
    Old military officer 20 December 2017 07: 41 New
    0
    This is "Hello, Vasya, New Year! You have arrived, and here I am." A wonderful gift. And Perm Shura forgot to take into account the cost of the demonstration and testing of the instrument in combat conditions.
  17. Romka47
    Romka47 20 December 2017 10: 07 New
    +1
    Nice device !!! Now also proven!)
  18. lieutenant colonel
    lieutenant colonel 20 December 2017 10: 12 New
    +1
    It seems to me that the main thing in this news is the universality of the Bastion, earth-sea, earth-earth. And therefore, the circumference of the lesion is not limited to the sea.
    The second and not unimportant is the practical tests of launching missiles at real ground targets. Someone wrote, they say, “from a gun on sparrows,” I don’t think. Combat tests (not combat training, not as close as possible to combat, namely combat) cost a lot. Then who said they beat “sparrows”? And if this is the base (depots) of militants or coalition special forces?
    In general, everything is great!
  19. Savignon
    Savignon 20 December 2017 12: 29 New
    +1
    When I see the phrase "Messenger of Mordovia" - I close the article and forget about it.
  20. realist
    realist 20 December 2017 18: 01 New
    0
    sometimes, for advertising purposes, it’s necessary to shoot from a cannon on sparrows, the upcoming income from the sale of weapons will brighten up the severity of the loss ....
  21. rice
    rice 20 December 2017 21: 08 New
    0
    kuznec,
    Quote: kuznec
    Katana is a very mediocre sword

    request and I read somewhere that this is a kind of saber, only in most cases from horseradish metal.
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 23 December 2017 16: 33 New
      0
      their raw materials were in short supply, which was why they were very rare. but they brought it to the worship of weapons almost to a deity. and therefore for us it’s just a saber, a katana. but for them: KATANA !!!! well, bow there, etc.
  22. Old26
    Old26 21 December 2017 09: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Savignon
    When I see the phrase "Messenger of Mordovia" - I close the article and forget about it.

    But in vain. They have very good publications. Briefly on the case. As an information resource - quite good
  23. intuzazist
    intuzazist 21 December 2017 09: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Shura Perm
    the price of a rocket and the price of a destroyed one are incommensurable ... with a cannon firing at sparrows ...

    And what is the best way to train, shooting at a training ground or at a real target ?! Moreover, a training (training) missile differs from a combat one only in the magnitude of the charge (warhead) ..............
  24. Yngvar
    Yngvar 21 December 2017 12: 24 New
    0
    Maybe he was preparing it for sepuku !?
  25. Fidel
    Fidel 21 December 2017 15: 24 New
    0
    Last November?
  26. Fidel
    Fidel 23 December 2017 20: 48 New
    0
    "American experts" - already sounds suspicious))
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 24 December 2017 09: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Fidel
      sounds suspicious))

      Anything is better than british. wink
  27. Dart
    Dart 24 December 2017 21: 24 New
    0
    kuznec,
    +100500! Washed ...
  28. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 25 December 2017 17: 01 New
    0
    I don’t understand why Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands do not complete the Bastionam ??? It seems to be like a suit!
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 26 December 2017 12: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Ivanov IV
      do not complete Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands ???

      The neighbors of Kaliningrad from the Iskanders are out, who do you want to drive them into?
      A Kuril, Th Kuril
  29. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 21 March 2018 09: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, this seems like a serious argument for the Americans.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 22 March 2018 14: 59 New
      0
      Is it striped? They can drive their ships away if necessary! True, they themselves will leave the zone of interest, how to bask, but the skins will be more kissed! But the geyrope can’t move away from Kaliningrad ... not Ukrainians, they don’t know how to transform the earth!