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The fate of the American counterpart of the Barguzin complex

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Information about the temporary cessation of work on the creation of Russian military railway complexes, has caused a strong reaction on the Internet. Meanwhile, similar developments were also conducted in the United States, but it was decided to abandon them.


According to Rossiyskaya Gazeta, referring to NVO, the Pentagon planned to launch its first atomic train on American railways in 1963. It was assumed that over time, such trains would be in service from 50 to 150 intercontinental ballistic missiles of the Minuteman family ("Militiaman").

The fate of the American counterpart of the Barguzin complex

In general, the idea of ​​the car - launcher with ICBM "Minuteman" I and MX was similar to that used by Soviet developers. Illustration from www.fas.org

The US military believed that using rockets in trains would make it weapon less vulnerable. It was reported that the enemy would need to use more than 10000 missiles to neutralize the armament of rocket trains.

In the United States, tests were carried out under the Operation Big Star code (Operation Big Star), in which four experimental rocket train prototype trains participated. And in 1960, a full-size BZHRK mockup appeared. It is known that a team armed with three missiles must At least 10 cars entered, and a train with five missiles required 15 cars.

But in 1961, John F. Kennedy preferred to replace expensive rocket trains, which had already cost 100 million dollars to US taxpayers, with high-security mine launchers. In addition to the high cost of storing and maintaining missiles on trains, Americans were also embarrassed by the long time required to prepare them for launch.

However, in the 1980-ies, the United States made a new attempt to revive the project of the rocket train, armed with more powerful Peacekeeper rockets ("Peacemaker"). But this development could not be realized.
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  1. vkl.47
    vkl.47 12 December 2017 10: 43 New
    13
    The fate of their project is not interesting to me. I am interested in our fate. How long did they freeze
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 12 December 2017 10: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: vkl.47
      The fate of their project is not interesting to me. I am interested in our fate. How long did they freeze

      the question is the same. sad
      1. Michael67
        Michael67 12 December 2017 10: 49 New
        +1
        Who will tell us?
        "The Americans were also embarrassed for a long time, which was required for their preparation for launch" - loshars!
        For a long time, because "such and such a mother" never helped them.
        Such-and-such a mother only helps Russians. And she lives only in Russia.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 12 December 2017 11: 22 New
          12
          Quote: Michael67
          Such-and-such a mother only helps Russians. And she lives only in Russia.

          helps everywhere
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 12 December 2017 11: 17 New
        +3
        The Yankees have a less developed and dense network of railways than Russia, unlike highways. Therefore, their missile trains on public roads would be like a black bug on a white sheet. negative
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 12 December 2017 11: 35 New
          +5
          In addition, there is another important point: by tradition, all railways in the United States are private, not state. It is too expensive and difficult to negotiate with all interested parties about the movement of such a specific composition.
      3. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 12 December 2017 14: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: vkl.47
        The fate of their project is not interesting to me. I am interested in our fate. How long did they freeze

        the question is the same. sad

        Until once again they understand that the Americans have thrown them, as usual. In return, they received a freeze in the BZHRK, and they "forgave" their promises. Somehow it looks from the outside.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 12 December 2017 10: 48 New
      +2
      Why do Americans need their “Barguzins” if they have aircraft carriers around the world hustling around? request
      1. Ren
        Ren 12 December 2017 10: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Why do Americans need their “Barguzins” if they have aircraft carriers around the world hustling around?

        11 pieces, list of U.S. aircraft carriers:
        Nimitz.
        Dwight Eisenhower.
        Theodore Roosevelt.
        "Carl Vinson."
        "Abraham Lincoln".
        "George Washington".
        "John C. Stennis."
        "Harry Truman."
        "George Bush".
        "Ronald Reagan."
        "Gerald R. Ford."
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 12 December 2017 14: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Ren
          11 pieces, list of U.S. aircraft carriers:

          How many hypersonic missiles do you need for these galoshes to sink? And the money is not comparable at all. Many rockets are good and different - our everything! Well, Statuses, of course.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 12 December 2017 12: 11 New
        +1
        sibiralt, 10:48.
        *** Why do Americans need their “Barguzins” if they have aircraft carriers around the world skastating? *** On neutral (free) waters! And for travel on private routes, you need to spit cabbage. And to slobber, it is necessary to agree in advance. What secrecy! wassat
    3. dorz
      dorz 12 December 2017 10: 49 New
      0
      Quote: vkl.47
      The fate of their project is not interesting to me. I am interested in our fate. How long did they freeze

      Budget cuts, decided to donate BZHRK.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 12 December 2017 11: 18 New
        0
        In parallel with this announcement on freezing, a decision was made to classify financial flows in the military-industrial complex. So the adversary did not know what, where and how we are being built.
        It seems to me that this "freezing" is only a secret of the project.
    4. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 12 December 2017 11: 08 New
      +5
      How long did they freeze
      Or maybe they didn’t freeze it? It is not given to us all to know what is happening in the corridors of power, and especially behind closed doors of high offices.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 12 December 2017 12: 15 New
        +2
        rotmistr60, 11:08. *** Or maybe they didn’t freeze it? We have not been given everything to know what is happening in the corridors of power, and especially behind closed doors of high offices. *** And who is against? The main thing is to benefit your country! But here it seems a little different. So that the states could not arrest the accounts of organizations related to this case.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 12 December 2017 12: 18 New
          +1
          So that the states could not arrest the accounts of organizations related to this case.
          In the current scenario, your assumption deserves attention.
  2. pvv113
    pvv113 12 December 2017 10: 47 New
    +4
    I came across an article that during the reign of the ever-drunk Yeltsin, the design documentation for the Barguzin BRZhK came to the Americans
    1. Mihanishche
      Mihanishche 12 December 2017 10: 50 New
      +4
      This is when the FSB was headed by Putin ??? I will not believe! You are poisoned by a lie.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 12 December 2017 10: 55 New
        +5
        Before Putin, there were about five more
        1. Mihanishche
          Mihanishche 12 December 2017 11: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: pvv113
          Before Putin, there were about five more

          name the traitor.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 December 2017 11: 08 New
            +5
            So there is no secret: Gorbachev and Yeltsin
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 December 2017 11: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Mikhanishche
        This is when the FSB was headed by Putin ??? I will not believe! You are poisoned by a lie.

        The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame! ©
        What besides Putin there are no other surnames? For example, the chairman of the Inter-Republican Security Service, Bakatin, who officially handed over to the US ambassador the location scheme of bugs in the US embassy.
    2. 75 hammer
      75 hammer 12 December 2017 10: 50 New
      +3
      The Soviet complex was called "Well done."
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 12 December 2017 10: 51 New
        +5
        I can be mistaken in the name, I'm sorry, not a specialist request
        1. 75 hammer
          75 hammer 12 December 2017 12: 03 New
          +4
          A lot of secrets in 90 were left, not only to the West, but also to China, the only consolation is that the technologies were not fully transferred. And by the way, a spurt in US technology for 50% was provided by our specialists from Soviet research institutes. And the remaining 50% come from the countries of the Far East and the TAR.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 December 2017 12: 07 New
            +4
            That's for sure. The adversaries turned out to have both laser weapons, and the Yak-141 aircraft of GDP, etc. It is unlikely that we will ever calculate the damage, not only economic, but also defense
          2. 34 region
            34 region 12 December 2017 13: 00 New
            +2
            Hammer 75, 12:03. *** A lot of secrets were left in 90 and not only to the West, but also to China, the only consolation is that the technologies were not fully transferred. And by the way, a spurt in US technology by 50% was provided by our specialists from Soviet research institutes. And the remaining 50% come from the countries of the Far East and the TAR. *** Really! This is a country with an ugly system that could not make chewing gum and cola !? This is the country where there was only a sign in the stores, and the goods were distributed by coupons !? This is a country where people could not freely buy apartments and cars !? This is the country where the KGB watched everyone and where the dollars didn’t go !? Can not be! belay Today, shops are bursting with goods, and there is no KGB (movie cameras in toilets are for security!) Today you can freely buy more than one apartment and have dollars! AND!? We ask their technology! How so !? No supermarkets, but technologies! There are supermarkets, no technology! How can this be !? Top managers today have revenues like a phone number, but no technology exhaust! The hammer! You are here! Togo! Stop leading the coincidence here! crying Today, top managers, and loans, and the lobby of the US Congress, and kickbacks. Well, judge for yourself. Everything is state-owned, inefficient. Everything private (of a narrow circle of persons) is very effective. It especially increases efficiency, a round sum. Here you were a vegetable, and here again! You bag (box, or room) of cabbage! And you immediately became so smart! Is that why Chubais has no breakthrough? But because Putin clamped his cabbage! That would give him a couple, three cars, then the matter would go wrong! And in the USSR !? Can you imagine financing in boxes or rooms !? Here it is then it is this! Here people are financing rooms with money to no avail, and you're talking about Soviet technology! wassat Without supermarkets and top managers, they cannot be! Here we sell oil and gas with supermarkets and top managers (many thanks to top managers! Do not have them. There would be nothing to trade!). And what did they sell without them? Top managers brainstormed and decided. Conducting research and manufacturing is not effective! The maximum effect of sales! It doesn't matter what to sell. Raw materials, stocks, homeland (and for money you can have your own organs and mother!)! So you have one! Stop here to engage in propaganda of the totalitarian system of political repressions that have smeared themselves! What are the achievements if people were planted !? Today crimes cannot be found (even railway), but there are no technologies! And when finding the corpus delicti? What then could be the technology !? recourse wassat
            1. 75 hammer
              75 hammer 12 December 2017 14: 48 New
              +1
              I appreciated your sarcasm, but it’s better to go and do something useful, in my answer I do not advertise any of the political systems, but simply state the fact. If you want to debate on the topic: “What was good and bad in the USSR.”, Then you turned to the wrong address. I read more than write here! And by the way, you have a political review site!
              1. 34 region
                34 region 12 December 2017 20: 59 New
                +1
                Hammer 75, 14:48. Yes, just irony rushing. Therefore, no offense. hi
                1. 75 hammer
                  75 hammer 13 December 2017 08: 40 New
                  +1
                  No offense! I appreciated the irony.
  3. ver_
    ver_ 12 December 2017 11: 07 New
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    Why do Americans need their “Barguzins” if they have aircraft carriers around the world hustling around? request

    ... it’s easier to get into a big figure ..
  4. ver_
    ver_ 12 December 2017 11: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Michael67
    Who will tell us?
    "The Americans were also embarrassed for a long time, which was required for their preparation for launch" - loshars!
    For a long time, because "such and such a mother" never helped them.
    Such-and-such a mother only helps Russians. And she lives only in Russia.

    ... well, yes ..- they have - God's, and we ... charged ...
  5. kamski
    kamski 12 December 2017 11: 25 New
    +2
    The United States does not need such a complex at all, having so many military bases around the perimeter of Russia, why create an analogue of Barguzin ??? I am sure that if there was such a need, industry would create such a complex
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 12 December 2017 12: 54 New
      0
      I also do not understand why these trains are needed when there are submarines, but YaRS with Topol.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 12 December 2017 11: 26 New
    0
    They froze before the advent of new solid fuel rockets. They have fewer problems with storage. Well, rumors roam that it seems like there will be an even with hypersonic blocks.
    1. RL
      RL 12 December 2017 11: 41 New
      0
      V. Vysotsky. "Song of the rumors":
      "Like flies, here and there, rumors are circulating around the houses,
      And the toothless old women carry them to their minds. "
  7. win9090
    win9090 12 December 2017 11: 43 New
    +1
    And the same fate awaits aircraft carriers, the development of the moon, etc., etc.
    In the 21st century, a weak economy = weak everything else
  8. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 December 2017 12: 14 New
    0
    It seems to me that "Frontier" will be brought to mind in the first place.
    And already from him to dance towards the railway complex.
    Because exactly how "Frontier" was planned to put on the rails.
    So, as they announce the start of deliveries of this rocket,
    so the train will not wait long.
  9. Old26
    Old26 12 December 2017 13: 23 New
    +1
    It is not clear another. In the section "Armament" was a few days ago the article "Well done" in American-unsuccessful debut. Article with figures, facts, description. Why is the article repeated for the second time, especially since such a “circumcised” one is not clear

    Quote: Major Yurik
    The Yankees have a less developed and dense network of railways than Russia, unlike highways. Therefore, their missile trains on public roads would be like a black bug on a white sheet. negative

    And most importantly, the roads were private. Creating your own road network is very expensive. In principle, now we have the same situation. Each of the roads included in Russian Railways is not part of a single whole, but its own separate structure

    Quote: siberalt
    Why do Americans need their “Barguzins” if they have aircraft carriers around the world hustling around? request

    Why do we need submarines? The Americans have a lot of planes. About the same meaning as yours.

    Quote: 34 region
    The main thing is to benefit your country!

    And here is just the benefit and the problem

    Quote: pvv113
    I came across an article that during the reign of the ever-drunk Yeltsin, the design documentation for the Barguzin BRZhK came to the Americans

    Interesting movie. Yeltsin resigned in 2000, “Barguzin” only thought in early 2010-2011. There is no design documentation for it yet, but has it already left? Maybe all the same "Well done"? But what for did he tell them when they refused the railway version of the MX back in the mid-80s?

    Quote: pvv113
    That's for sure. The adversaries turned out to have both laser weapons, and the Yak-141 aircraft of GDP, etc. It is unlikely that we will ever calculate the damage, not only economic, but also defense

    Well, if you can still agree with the Yak, but where does the laser weapon?

    Quote: shinobi
    They froze before the advent of new solid fuel rockets. They have fewer problems with storage. Well, rumors roam that it seems like there will be an even with hypersonic blocks.

    Will they appear? Do we have nowhere to put money to create new solid fuel rockets? Not enough?

    Quote: Zomanus
    It seems to me that "Frontier" will be brought to mind in the first place.
    And already from him to dance towards the railway complex.
    Because exactly how "Frontier" was planned to put on the rails.
    So, as they announce the start of deliveries of this rocket,
    so the train will not wait long.

    Of course, you can bring it, but for what. We do not know the ultimate range of this complex. He launched EMNIP at a range of 5600 km, showing that he was intercontinental. Its deployment in two divisions, in which the Yars variants are most likely to stand, has been frozen. If he has a range of 6000 km, then there is no point in putting him in the BZHRK. Most likely he was “pushed back” due to another uncertainty with the INF Treaty.
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 12 December 2017 17: 09 New
      +1
      Vladimir, fortunately in Russia
      not everything is so bad with the railway! I had no mind not to sell a strategic object to anyone. Here is the food and profit of the components of the operation of tracks, locomotives, wagons and so on. They made it self-sustaining, and so all 100% of the shares of Russian Railways belong to the Russian Federation, and the Government of the Russian Federation is designated as the user. In which case, “Barguzin” a good journey is provided! hi
    2. Svist
      Svist 12 December 2017 23: 49 New
      0
      Somewhere caught briefly infa that Railways against. They say they’re hard, they break paths. This is not in the USSR, everything around is national ... what
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 13 December 2017 00: 24 New
        +7
        Quote: Svist
        Russian Railways v. They say they’re hard, they break paths. This is not in the USSR, everything around is national

        Tired of already:
        Quote: Russian Railways - owners
        The sole shareholder of the company is the Russian Federation. On her behalf, the powers of the shareholder are exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation ...
  10. Old26
    Old26 12 December 2017 22: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Vladimir, fortunately in Russia
    not everything is so bad with the railway! I had no mind not to sell a strategic object to anyone. Here is the food and profit of the components of the operation of tracks, locomotives, wagons and so on. They made it self-sustaining, and so all 100% of the shares of Russian Railways belong to the Russian Federation, and the Government of the Russian Federation is designated as the user. In which case, “Barguzin” a good journey is provided! hi

    It may be provided, but why? Spend billions on the deployment of one division. It is better to deploy 4 additional regiments of the same "Yars" instead. And so it will be necessary to create 5 points of permanent deployment of the BZHRK. Next to each other. At each of the points of construction. Each PPD is not a small railway station at all ..
    Below are some pictures from the old RPM in the Kozelsky division. So that at least people can imagine the scale of at least one regiment, when they say that it is impossible to track and everything will happen secretly ...

    1. Remains of a permanent deployment point (one of the regiments). Top view and in the photo, of course, not all buildings


    2. The remains of the construction No. 1 - the technological building, where the loading and unloading of missiles in the TPK of launch vehicles




    3. The remains of building No. 2 - maintenance point of the complex units


    4. Diesel locomotive depot (the name speaks for itself). Building number 9



    5. Communication and control systems maintenance workshop


    6. Shelf layout