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From geopolitical clashes to Olympic aspirations: the brink of confrontation between the West and Russia

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American Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who was not eager to spoil relations with Russia before being appointed to the post, now finally admitted: the restoration of relations with Moscow at the current stage is impossible. And indeed, what a recovery there is! The 2.0 Cold War is in full swing. Its signs are shown everywhere - from geopolitical clashes to Olympic aspirations.




US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, avoiding hints and half-hints by his old habit, explicitly stated that Washington would never agree with the “Russian annexation” of the Ukrainian Crimea. The sanctions imposed on Moscow because of the aforementioned annexation will remain in effect until Russia regains control over the Crimea to Ukraine.

Such an unequivocal statement, we note, is completely within the policy that Mr. Obama initiated even before leaving the presidency. It was Obama, and behind him the US allies in Europe, stated that they “never” recognize the Crimea peninsula as Russian territory. And did not recognize.

Sanctions since the time of Obama expanded several times. In this sense, the Trump Republican team consistently continues the line of Democrat Obama. There is something like the unity of the foreign policy line. Probably, such a line is very convenient to Trump: he is an ardent supporter of the arms race, just like his idol Reagan. It is precisely due to the growth of the military-industrial complex that Trump plans to "make America great again."

Meanwhile, Putin is making his country "great". At least, the idea of ​​arming is present in Russia in recent years more than ever, and even despite lower oil prices, from which the budget gets the lion's share of its revenues along with gas.

Mr. Tillerson made his loud statement before meeting with his colleague Lavrov. The moment was calculated precisely: there are no prospects for US-Russian relations either in the short term or in the medium term. Even Trump's successor will unravel the porridge made under Obama.

To characterize the period of the cold war 2.0 can be in two words: polar differences.

Crimea, eastern Ukraine, Syria, the inconvenient figure of Assad for the USA, “the intervention of Russian hackers” in the American elections, again “interference in the elections”, already in Europe, are around contradictions, partly real, partly artificial, and against their background blooms and smells propaganda paranoia. American politicians, like European ones, see Putin’s hand everywhere (and even his “ghost”, joking gloomily some analysts), and the Kremlin, with its failures in domestic politics, chose the United States as the scapegoat.

What kind of reconciliation is there, if one side needs the said "goat", and the other - an arms race!

“We will never agree with the Russian occupation and the attempt to annex the Crimea. The sanctions associated with the Crimea will remain in force until Russia regains control over the peninsula of Ukraine, ”he said. "Voice of America" Mr. Tillerson, responsible for the foreign policy of the American chief.

He sealed the Trump minister and Donbass: “As far as eastern Ukraine is concerned, we join our European partners in maintaining the sanctions until Russia withdraws its troops from the Donbass and fulfills its Minsk commitments.”

Tillerson, in fact, repeated what he had said the day before. A day earlier, while in Brussels, he popularly explained: there can be no normal relations with Russia until the Kremlin stops supporting separatists in Ukraine and returns the Crimea peninsula to Kiev.

And in the city of Brussels, Mr. Tillerson was not anyhow somewhere, but at a dinner with persons from NATO, namely with the foreign ministers of the countries of the alliance.

Speaking before the meeting, Tillerson said that, “by continuing to use the means of hybrid warfare, Russia is trying to shake Western institutions” by means of state-supported computer attacks and a disinformation campaign on the Internet. “This is a significant obstacle to the normalization of our relations,” the same Voice of America quotes him. Finally, at the same dinner, Tillerson accused Russia of interfering in the US 2016 election of the year.

His most scandalous statement was, nevertheless, a statement about the "war" of Russia in Ukraine.

America’s chief diplomat publicly stated that only one thing really stands in the way of “normal relations between the US and Russia.” It is Ukraine.

Relations with Moscow today have become cold to the lowest point since the days of the former cold war. And the biggest obstacle, according to Tillerson, is the "permanent role of the Kremlin" in the war in Ukraine.

"The problem that stands in the way is Ukraine", - quotes "Foreign Policy" Tillerson's speech at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Vienna.

Tillerson has no doubt that the Kremlin is arming, waging war and training fighters of "anti-government forces" in eastern Ukraine.

“We may have discrepancies in other arenas, in Syria, we may have discrepancies in other areas, however, when one country invades another, this is a difference that is hard to miss and difficult to reconcile,” said Tillerson. “This is the only and most difficult obstacle facing the normalization of relations with Russia, which we would very much like to do.”

At the same time, “Foreign Policy” notes, Mr. Tillerson has been saying for several months now that normalizing relations with Russia is one of the main priorities of Trump’s foreign policy.

Another front of the Cold War is still the Olympic wrestling, which in recent years has become a struggle against "Russian doping." Here, too, there are "discrepancies." And here, too, the West intends to stand on its own until the end (obviously, until a new victory in the new cold war). And the Western "struggle" has brought its results, and very tangible.

Due to the non-admission of the national team of Russia to the Winter Olympics under the national flag in the country there was a real split. Some citizens (and other athletes with them) believe that it is necessary to go to the games in a neutral status: you should win and defend the country's honor at least in this way. Other citizens (and with them other athletes) believe that it is a shame to dance to the tune of the West and go to the Olympics under the white flag. Very big celebrities are involved in the dispute. The West can rejoice: it has really achieved its goal and has split sports Russia from the inside.

“I have seen many victories of the USSR national team. And for me to go to the Olympics in a white form is the same as throwing the white flag, ”wrote Vladimir Plyushchev, deserved trainer of the Russian Federation, on the Internet. - My opinion: Russia should not agree to a handout with a neutral status.

Alexander Karelin, a participant in four Olympics and a three-time champion in Greco-Roman wrestling, has the opposite look at the problem.

“I prefer to ignore such cries [about the boycott]. They have nothing to do with our place in stories Olympic movement. I am deeply convinced that if we now maintain our reputation as a sports power even in neutral status, we will express our gratitude to the organizers of the games in Pyeongchang and South Korea itself. And, obviously, we will earn the respect of the world community ", - leads his opinion "Free press".

"SP" asked Vitaly Milonov, State Duma deputy: "Then tell me, please, was Vitaly Mutko's possible fault, who was the Minister of Sport for many years, and now the Vice-Premier of the Russian Federation responsible for sports, discussed at Okhotny And his colleagues, Alexander Zhukov, who heads the National Olympic Committee? Justly punished both the IOC? "

"As far as I know, was not discussed."


And this is the whole answer!

A short comment followed:

“I can only say one thing about this: apparently (I guess so), there are people in the State Duma whose interests do not include discussing the activities of the same Vitaly Mutko as sport minister and his relationship with Grigory Rodchenkov.”


Meanwhile, V. Zhirinovsky issued a call to hold a referendum on the participation of Russian athletes in the Olympics-2018 and referred to the "Vlasov form". “Let the people decide. Or we will take a tough stance and make everyone [respect us] respect, or we all wear the Vlasov uniform, the Olympic uniform, and we will be silent about the Russian flag and Russian anthem in Russia, ”Zhirinovsky quotes TASS.

Zhirinovsky, of course, is not a decree for Russian athletes. They have already gathered for the Winter Olympics. Yes, under a neutral flag. And this means one thing: the victory of the West in the next stage of the Cold War.

The other day the Russian national team in luge has unanimously decided to play at the Olympics under a neutral flag. This was reported TASS Natalia Garth, President of the Russian Luge Sport Federation.

The team skiers also decided to go to Pyeongchang. "Yes, they voted for," - said Interfax Elena Vyalbe, President of the Russian Cross-Country Ski Federation.

Actually, why not? The Kremlin does not mind.

The President of Russia has nothing against the country's athletes representing her at games without a flag. Putin said that the authorities will not prevent the participation of those who agree with the terms of the IOC.

The sad result: on the economic side, Western sanctions are putting pressure on Russia because of the annexation of the Crimea, and on the side of sports, Western sanctions are being put pressure on because of doping. And the last topic threatens to become as eternal as the topic of Crimea.

That is why Tillerson with his directness and said that the restoration of relations with Moscow at the current stage is impossible. Why now restore something?

The West has no doubt that sanctions because of the Crimea and Olympic bans weakened Russia. When the enemy is weakened and agrees to the "neutral" flag, the attacker already considers himself the winner. The West in the face of Tillerson, and at the same time in the faces of NATO ministers, is waiting for Russia to lose completely - and then it will impose its own conditions on it. So it was under Yeltsin. Now the Americans want victory in the second cold war.

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  1. Vend
    Vend 12 December 2017 15: 08 New
    +2
    We may have discrepancies in other arenas
    Come on. Where do not stick some discrepancies, with what the US instigators.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 12 December 2017 15: 30 New
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      All correctly said the author of the article Dude! I fully share his opinion!
      How we will continue to live - I don’t know!
      How many traitors in the form of Kolenok Desyatnichenko will appear in Russia after OI-2018? It’s even hard to imagine!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 12 December 2017 15: 39 New
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        Everything is clear with Crimea! The United States will never calm down until Crimea is there - together with the whole of Ukraine - in their pocket. And so on ad infinitum, as long as Russia and its state exist, forming the Russian people!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 12 December 2017 16: 09 New
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          when one country invades another, it’s a difference that is hard to miss and hard to reconcile with, ”Tillerson said.

          Before judging others, is it better not to dress up for oneself, the USA, to turn around?

      2. Same lech
        Same lech 12 December 2017 15: 54 New
        24
        How we will continue to live - I don’t know!
        The reason for the defeats of Russia in economics and sports is simply banal ... it plays by the rules imposed on it by the Anglo-Saxon world ... (carefully listen to TERESA MEI's speech at the banquet of the world Anglo-Saxon beau monde) ... here, as they say, without options ... loss.
        Therefore, the conclusion follows that in order not to depend on their rules, one must play according to one’s own ... this is where the contradiction occurs ... which will inevitably lead to a conflict with the world hegemon.
        Will we win this battle? first of all, it depends on us ourselves whether we can maintain the front of moral pressure, first of all, from within.
        Every day we are told we are bad ... we are bad ... surrender ... repent and you will feel better.
        The sportsmen of RUSSIA were the first to flinch ... they found a moral justification for themselves .... that they say they still advocate for RUSSIA.
        smile In other words ... we serve MacLaren a little in such a way ... a little bit more ... then a little more ... then a little more and everything quietly and imperceptibly turns into KOLYA from URENGOY who found excuse for the innocently murdered Hitler soldier. ..
        Now we are morally in a very precarious position ... society is skillfully split.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 12 December 2017 21: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: The same Lech
          society skillfully split


          It has been split for a long time - into officials and people.
        2. sergevonsohrn
          sergevonsohrn 13 December 2017 13: 59 New
          0
          I agree, such problems are already overripe! to eliminate all this negativity is the paramount task of Putin’s next presidential term. if he succeeds, honor and praise be to him!
      3. turbris
        turbris 12 December 2017 16: 01 New
        +2
        Oh my god, really, how to live on? The nightmare is complete, OI-2018 will change our life very much, traitors will crawl out of all the cracks! - What kind of nonsense, how we lived, and we will live, nothing will change, but the Olympic movement led by the USA has suffered very significant damage. Now many will think about how pure the Olympic champions of Western countries are? The boomerang is launched and it will return to where it left. And performing under the Olympic flag is not news for us, our hockey players won Olympic gold precisely under it. SO THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE NOISE IN THE EMPTY PLACE OF THE LORD!
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 16: 11 New
          +6
          wink I, reading you Turbris recalled a joke of the Soviet era. When after Brezhnev’s funeral one grandmother was asked: well, how are we going to live now? To which she crossed herself, she answered: Brezhny, Brezhny, Brezhny ... Many of you are like that.
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 12 December 2017 19: 17 New
            +2
            Well, how are we going to live now? To which she, crossing herself, replied: "In Brezhny, son, in Brezhny ..

            But Russia was and will be

            Her foe is high judge
            Presenting a deadly score.
            And Russia was and will be,
            And Russia will not be lost.


            Lead into a dead swamp
            And they will show her a false ford.
            A whole company died there
            And Russia will not be lost.

            Good! - and take envy.
            A move will come through black
            They will take Russia to the skin.
            And Russia will not be lost.

            The world, like a bomb, will explode in evil,
            It will be hot in hell for everyone.
            And Russia itself will be saved
            And the enemy will shoulder.

            Nikolay Rachkov
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 19: 33 New
              +2
              smile Alena, I’m embarrassed to ask: why is this verse?
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 12 December 2017 20: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: turbris
          SO THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO MAKE NOISE IN THE EMPTY PLACE OF THE LORD!

          But really, why make noise. Think of a white flag. True putriots, if anything, agree with the rainbow.
        3. freddyk
          freddyk 12 December 2017 21: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: turbris
          And performing under the Olympic flag is not news for us,


          But this is already a bad trend, and you can get used to it. And it was hockey players who won the gold for themselves. Which country did they defend the honor of ?.
    2. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 12 December 2017 20: 57 New
      +1
      Wend Today, 15: 08 The beginning has been laid, I congratulate everyone on this. '' Next, fun! ''
      1. Vend
        Vend 13 December 2017 09: 05 New
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        Quote: GradusHuK
        Wend Today, 15: 08 The beginning has been laid, I congratulate everyone on this. '' Next, fun! ''

        What are you talking about?
  2. Loess
    Loess 12 December 2017 15: 47 New
    +3
    “We may have discrepancies in other arenas, in Syria, we may have discrepancies in other areas, however, when one country invades another, it’s a difference that is hard to miss and hard to come to terms with,” Tillerson said.
    Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya? Yes, it's hard not to notice ...
  3. BAI
    BAI 12 December 2017 15: 51 New
    +6
    “Never” recognize the Crimean peninsula as Russian territory. And did not recognize.

    The USSR was also not recognized, but recognized. The only way out is economic development. The rich are always recognized.
  4. Altona
    Altona 12 December 2017 15: 57 New
    13


    Tired of already sucking on the logic of traitors. Kolya’s boy is not an exception, but a mass phenomenon.
    PS Athletes have died for me. They only need prize money, sponsorship, Olympic money and any other money that they will give or promise.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 December 2017 15: 58 New
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      Quote: Altona
      Tired of already sucking on the logic of traitors. Kolya’s boy is not an exception, but a mass phenomenon.

      And that is characteristic, at the highest level.
    2. Altona
      Altona 12 December 2017 19: 00 New
      +5
      The IOC promised to "turn the page" and with some frenzy again stamps doping cases. Now 6 hockey players have received a lifelong disqualification and the Sochi result of our team has been canceled. But athletes do not care what color the flag is, they stand for their homeland (with a small letter), and the flag "rinses in the heart." Of course, it’s difficult to blame the athletes, given that they are still betrayed by our OCD (Gazprom’s main sponsor) and the IOC, which promised not to apply sanctions after December 5th.
    3. user
      user 12 December 2017 20: 51 New
      +8
      They need only prize money, sponsorship, Olympic money and any other money that they will give or promise.


      Already, they were promised to help them from the TV screen, with equipment and money. It remains only to add a monetary reward for medals under the white flag.

      It’s interesting to let someone win, say 5 (five) gold medals, how will they be met with the orchestra? what anthem? under what flag?
      And from what money 30 silver coins will pay, and then they will collect money on TV. . . (You can list for a long time for what).

      By this decision, by the way, he was first voiced by the VP, the state split as in 1993, there is no civil war yet, but its presence is felt in all interviews and all kinds of explanations about this. And again, there is no need for any Americans or NATO, we ourselves have done and are doing everything as in 1917, only a request to think about how it all ended, especially for those who seem to benefit from this decision.

      We wait.

      Unlike international problems, the current government, including the president, does not understand and does not want to understand in principle its internal problems.

      Again, they want to convince the citizens of the Russian Federation that the tsar is good, the boyars are bad.
      1. Plead
        Plead 14 December 2017 06: 57 New
        0
        Why is Putin lingering - and is he lingering at all?
        https://cont.ws/@alex-haldey/699083
        27.08.2017

        A favorite topic of discussion in recent years is why Putin has been slow in replacing the elite.
  5. Altona
    Altona 12 December 2017 16: 00 New
    +7
    Quote: Stroporez
    And that is characteristic, at the highest level.

    -------------------
    Yes, I already wrote in an article about Menshov that our elite is homosexual in every sense of the word.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 December 2017 16: 02 New
      13
      Quote: Altona
      that our elite is homosexual in every sense of the word.

      By the way, you got to the very point, perhaps not wanting to good drinks
      When Miller was put on gasprom, he came with his "team", as the old Wyahira workers called this team, the "blue wave".
  6. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 12 December 2017 16: 08 New
    +6
    They are crushing, crushing, but we have no idea or leader, around which we could unite. Offhand does not resemble the Cold War, there were ideological differences, but a dispute between business entities wink With the strengthening of their private security companies, the redevelopment of subsidiaries, etc.
  7. turbris
    turbris 12 December 2017 16: 13 New
    +2
    Now the United States benefits from such a relationship with Russia! These relations are used both to solve many domestic political problems and to hide the loss of hegemony in the external arena. In my opinion, we do not need to continue efforts to improve them, but rather take a break and calmly continue to uphold Russia's interests in various regions of the world. The USA is not the whole world and it is not worth suffering greatly from deteriorating relations. And sanctions are (in the opinion of the US authorities) the only measure to force other states to fulfill their will. Therefore, the number of states on which sanctions are imposed will increase until the United States itself is isolated. As a result, the time will come when no one will support these sanctions and they will be lifted.
  8. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 12 December 2017 16: 19 New
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    Sanctions imposed on Moscow due to the annexation mentioned above will remain in force until Russia regains control of Crimea over Ukraine.

    “We will never agree to the Russian occupation and the attempt to annex the Crimea. Sanctions related to Crimea will remain in force until Russia regains control of the peninsula of Ukraine ”

    “The problem that stands in the way is Ukraine”

    Surrealism, like in a fairy tale about a fox who threw a bunny out of her house. They climbed into our dressing room, spoiled us with dirty boots and said that it was so. Because of the petty selling stinky pack, which made its way to power in Russia and Ukraine, a huge nation suffers, which, moreover, they robbed completely, and even set them against each other! So you have to attach most of the outskirts back - that will be a surprise to the Anglo-Zionist geeks! Ukraine is no longer there, but there are sanctions!
    As for the OI, there is nowhere to despise this lying thieves' power anymore. The regulars of the Kremlin cause only nausea and a sense of disgust - I want to wash after their statements. There is no hatred anymore - you cannot hate lice and aphids.
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 19: 07 New
      0
      Originally you are equal to Russia and Ukraine! This is the speech of a true Russophobe who is so "worried" for a huge nation. And the appeal to the people is quite in the spirit - the lying thieves’s power is to blame for everything, but said nothing about the power in Ukraine, but spoke about the Kremlin forever. Anti-Anglosax - you are judging by your statements from this very "fifth column" and this is very noticeable. This is me to who is who on the site.
    2. Plead
      Plead 14 December 2017 07: 03 New
      0
      ✯ Why Putin is slow in replacing the elite
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJRmO3_hVs
      Essence of Things
  9. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 12 December 2017 18: 19 New
    +3
    “The problem that stands in the way is Ukraine,” Tillerson’s quoted Foreign Policy quoted
    The only real problem is the eastward expansion of NATO ...
  10. Karabin
    Karabin 12 December 2017 20: 25 New
    +3
    Actually, why not? The Kremlin does not mind.
    The President of Russia has nothing against the country's athletes representing her in games without a flag. Putin said the authorities will not impede the participation of those who agree to the terms of the IOC.

    "Do not mind" is no longer relevant. It is necessary to write - "supports"
    MOSCOW, December 12. / TASS /. The Kremlin supports the decision of the Olympic meeting, which approved the sending of Russian athletes to the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics in 2018 in neutral status. This was announced to reporters by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
    He recalled that earlier Russian President Vladimir Putin had already stated that no one should impede the sending of athletes to the Olympics if they themselves make such a decision. "Now the Olympic meeting has taken place, a decision has been made, thus, we can only talk about his support, "concluded Peskov.




    More on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/sport/4804769
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 12 December 2017 21: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Karabin
      Actually, why not? The Kremlin does not mind.
      The President of Russia has nothing against the country's athletes representing her in games without a flag. Putin said the authorities will not impede the participation of those who agree to the terms of the IOC.

      "Do not mind" is no longer relevant. It is necessary to write - "supports"
      MOSCOW, December 12. / TASS /. The Kremlin supports the decision of the Olympic meeting, which approved the sending of Russian athletes to the Pyeongchang Winter Olympics in 2018 in neutral status. This was announced to reporters by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.
      He recalled that earlier Russian President Vladimir Putin had already stated that no one should impede the sending of athletes to the Olympics if they themselves make such a decision. "Now the Olympic meeting has taken place, a decision has been made, thus, we can only talk about his support, "concluded Peskov.




      More on TASS:
      http://tass.ru/sport/4804769

      That's all that was required to be proved ..., Russian fighters, horseradish federations, have personally died for me. Guys, nothing personal, but maybe the Ukrainians do not like you for such behavior? Shame, as Vladimir Semyonovich used to say: ,, ... they are paid money, huge thousands, even for losing and for a draw ... ''
  11. Severok
    Severok 12 December 2017 21: 50 New
    +5
    The great country of the IOC with WADA was stumbled into someone else's guano like a kitten and what ??? A truly great country would not give a damn about the IOC, would impose on Maklaren with Rodchenkov and would impose its sanctions against ill-wishers. However.

    However, the Russian "Olympians" (Russians can’t be named after bashfully recognizing their desire to appear under the white flag) did not have the honor or dignity to recognize the attacks of the enemies worthy of an answer in Russian. They chose to remove ports and bare-handed to appear under the white flag in South Korea on the terms of the ENEMY of Russia. So let's give these "athletes" a rainbow flag! No, but why !!! Who cares? White or rainbow?

    It is hard to imagine a greater shame for real Russians. The defeat in education, upbringing and culture is immediately apparent. Those who go to the Olympics on the terms of the IOC do not have the right to call themselves Russian.

    Shame on you
  12. Conductor
    Conductor 12 December 2017 22: 01 New
    0
    The point is not only in the Crimea and the OI, it is in the very existence of the Russian Federation, as they forgot that in the 20th century Russia ran into this rake twice, and again goes there.
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 December 2017 22: 08 New
      0
      Even like that? Have you already doubted the very existence of the Russian Federation? Do you yourself remember or remind you of how such doubts end? Russia exists, and doubters where?
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 12 December 2017 23: 13 New
        +5
        RI, too, was then 1917, the USSR was also then 1991, and right now we are all on the same road, the Cold War, sanctions, an arms race. I have no doubt, but here are some depressing facts. And I do not want to be a patriotic couch. Just the facts. Volgograd Tractor Plant stopped producing tractors, not profitable (and I was there for work). Altai tractor dead. Chelyabinsk tratkorny and so on., The Krasnoyarsk combine factory is closed, the Taganrog factory is closed, Rostselmash is working, but here people are running away, I myself lived in Rostov on Don 6, there is such a management that it’s fit to burn them all. AZLK is closed. ZIL is closed. that is, mechanical engineering is being destroyed, but in the Czech Republic an order has been placed for 6000 tractors. Beauty, huh? Superjet how many imported components does * have? A MC 21. Remember the words of Medvedev and Sobyanin about the Russians?
        1. turbris
          turbris 13 December 2017 13: 14 New
          0
          Do you have more specific facts about placing an order for 6000 tractors in the Czech Republic or are you also using rumors?
          1. Severok
            Severok 14 December 2017 08: 10 New
            +1
            Do you even watch the news or so, only on the forums are you adding? Look at the tags and don’t ask about “more specific facts about placing an order for 6000 tractors in the Czech Republic”.
            1. turbris
              turbris 14 December 2017 10: 39 New
              0
              Sorry, but what news are you watching, they are different! I haven’t heard anything about ordering 6000 tractors in the Czech Republic, so I’m asking, so from what news did you get this info?
        2. Plead
          Plead 14 December 2017 08: 18 New
          0
          Conductor, what or who are you trying to conduct! AND?
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    2. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 12 December 2017 22: 16 New
      -1
      About a rake, if it is possible in more detail, something is not clear ...
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 12 December 2017 22: 59 New
        0
        1917 and 1991.
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 12 December 2017 23: 25 New
          -1
          1917-Russian Empire; 1991-USSR (the RSFSR was present there, but no more)
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 13 December 2017 01: 18 New
            +1
            And yet this, now I live in Kazakhstan, but a citizen of the Russian Federation himself, so neither candidate, nor even doctoral degrees obtained in local universities are not particularly quoted here. And they go to defend themselves in the Russian Federation or further beyond the hill. And even such a fact, three oil refineries were built in the Republic of Kazakhstan during the USSR, and there were always problems with fuel, and since 1992 not a single refinery has been made, is it strange? What car do you drive? What kind of mobile phone do you have? clothes ? resting where?
  13. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 12 December 2017 23: 46 New
    +3
    It's simple: "as Vladimir Semenovich used to say: ,, ... they are paid money, huge thousands, even for losing and for a draw ... ''
    Sportsmen have such a job. They need to feed their families. Not to go to the factory as a locksmith to retrain.
    And honor - to the ass. with hunger, would not swell.
    So the judges (who are in gowns). You will not stamp decisions for which they paid - they will leave. How to feed the kids?
    Nothing personal, patriotic. Just a business ...
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 13 December 2017 01: 02 New
      +2
      And who prevented the athletes from choosing another way? And the groans, we, yes, and our money, and we train, and that and that, but where is the money from?
  14. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 13 December 2017 00: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Sverdlov
    It's simple: "as Vladimir Semenovich used to say: ,, ... they are paid money, huge thousands, even for losing and for a draw ... ''
    Sportsmen have such a job. They need to feed their families. Not to go to the factory as a locksmith to retrain.
    And honor - to the ass. with hunger, would not swell.
    So the judges (who are in gowns). You will not stamp decisions for which they paid - they will leave. How to feed the kids?
    Nothing personal, patriotic. Just a business ...

    Well, just business ... Nothing but the fa.
    Quote: Sverdlov
    It's simple: "as Vladimir Semenovich used to say: ,, ... they are paid money, huge thousands, even for losing and for a draw ... ''
    Sportsmen have such a job. They need to feed their families. Not to go to the factory as a locksmith to retrain.
    And honor - to the ass. with hunger, would not swell.
    So the judges (who are in gowns). You will not stamp decisions for which they paid - they will leave. How to feed the kids?
    Nothing personal, patriotic. Just a business ...

    Thats exactly what I mean...
    In 1977, they called me to SA. When I got to the company for the first time, we were taken to the Lenkomnat, and there the posters were all over the wall:
    1-Military Oath
    2-Part Banner
    3- Anthem of the USSR
    There is a large banner on the parade ground, and on it is the battle path of the unit.
    Why am I doing this? And besides, what happens with the military unit for the loss of the banner, everyone knows, and even the KGB colonel must remember the words - ,, ... and if I break this solemn oath, then let me suffer a harsh ... ''
  15. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 13 December 2017 00: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Altona


    Tired of already sucking on the logic of traitors. Kolya’s boy is not an exception, but a mass phenomenon.
    PS Athletes have died for me. They only need prize money, sponsorship, Olympic money and any other money that they will give or promise.


    Quote: Altona


    Tired of already sucking on the logic of traitors. Kolya’s boy is not an exception, but a mass phenomenon.
    PS Athletes have died for me. They only need prize money, sponsorship, Olympic money and any other money that they will give or promise.

    It was necessary to add, and under a different flag.
  16. Conductor
    Conductor 13 December 2017 01: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: VeteranVSSSR
    1917-Russian Empire; 1991-USSR (the RSFSR was present there, but no more)

    in 1917, the Russians were the titular nation (it doesn’t matter that they didn’t think so) but relied on their attitude to themselves, that’s why we had to fight the Germans. so no, the commitment of N-2 to duty, and he and his family perished and Russia fell into turmoil. 1991 RSFSR - donor republic, passed its MSG EBN and others like them handed over glass containers. By the way, and you will not prompt what it is so Dzhamshuty and Ravshany climbed after independence in the Russian Federation? You are independent, grow cotton, vegetables. build airplanes in Tashkent, and so on, but no, the couple are missing. I’m Kazakh alone, normal, like 2 such thoughts said to drink 1. Every Kazakh holds an ax for a Russian (please do not consider inciting hatred, not my words) 2 Like a joke - Do you want to kill a Kazakh, dig a hole and throw a briefcase there)) )
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 13 December 2017 01: 23 New
    +3
    “It remains a fact that Russia, as a nation, has remained overboard with the approaching Olympics. Russia was severely punished. Russia today has been humiliated in the international arena, ”USA TODAY stated.
    -------------------------------------------------
    But the most humiliating circumstance seems to be the intention of the IOC Settle Russian athletes outside the Olympic Village and perhaps even prohibit entry into its territory. It is possible that they will be banned from participating in other Olympic events of an unsportsmanlike nature.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 December 2017 01: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      But the most humiliating circumstance seems to be the IOC’s intention to settle Russian athletes outside the Olympic Village and possibly even prohibit entry to its territory.

      They will rent apartments for their money in the suburbs. belay
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 13 December 2017 01: 54 New
        +1
        And then they will not forbid eating food with Olympic symbols?
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 13 December 2017 02: 00 New
        +2
        I will
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: Overlock
        But the most humiliating circumstance seems to be the IOC’s intention to settle Russian athletes outside the Olympic Village and possibly even prohibit entry to its territory.

        They will rent apartments for their money in the suburbs. belay

        They will, and then they will groan, that we, yes, our loot, yes, for Russia, have suffered, and in the end - Give money.
  18. Overlock
    Overlock 13 December 2017 01: 37 New
    +8
    History shows that Russia (the USSR) loses not so much because of reasons from the outside, but because of reasons inside. There was Gorbachev, who raised the rating of the USSR in the international arena, and at home, everything went awry.
    Now Putin is upgrading the country’s rating, but at home everything is on the same road. Is it all going to end the same way?
    I won’t be surprised. that with such a “wise” leadership we will again be led to that line when the state begins to crack.
    Once Putin saved the country to return to its original position?
    You can hold power on the bayonets of the Russian Guard, but sitting is inconvenient.
    And you need a little bit - even a drop of social justice - so that a worker can get a salary that they can live on, so that pensioners get a pension and do not stand in garbage bins and garbage bins, so thieves steal less, so that the authorities take care not only in words but in deeds about their citizens. After all, this is important for people.
    But what is the answer?
    Reducing spending on health care, education. Taxes are raised, prices are rising following the rise in gasoline, and we are sung "a little more, one more time" and then prosperity will come. But he will not be, since Putin’s irremovability does not entail the alternativity of Medvedev and Co., the irremovability of the liberal course of the leaders who lead us into poverty, and them to Monaco, California, Italy.
    Consumer demand has fallen in the last quarter of this year; many have nothing to buy.
    Problems within the country pose a great danger to the country because of the unwillingness of the authorities to solve them. But what about the West? The West will help the Russian authorities with great love.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 13 December 2017 01: 57 New
      +1
      So we have so often blasphemes, you give us international relations, and the fact that half the country is a bit poor is temporary difficulties, and so my grandfather and grandmother, who were awarded for hard work during the Second World War, lived in the hut until 1982. But world peace))).
  19. Overlock
    Overlock 13 December 2017 01: 41 New
    +2
    The USA and the EU pushed Russia through sanctions, then through the 2018 Olympic Games, and here’s the cherry:
    "Washington will return to the issue of Crimea, but the priority is the settlement of the situation in the Donbass. This statement was made by US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, speaking in the American capital. "
    How long will the Russian government resist if their money and children are at stake?
  20. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 13 December 2017 08: 01 New
    +2
    shame on the words no more. It’s sickening to look at you, not like allied with you
    1. turbris
      turbris 13 December 2017 13: 20 New
      0
      So don’t go to Russia, if you feel sick and don’t be allied, no one forces you, but how will your diaspora in Russia react to these words, guess?
  21. Cynic
    Cynic 13 December 2017 13: 33 New
    0
    We make a noise, it’s just not clear because of what, excuse OUR athletes, as a matter of fact, have long been gone, just as there is no USSR.
  22. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 13 December 2017 13: 40 New
    +3
    “America will never recognize Crimea as Russian,” said Trillerson.
    “Yes, and our army,” the majority of Russians answered!
    “I mean,” asked Trillerson.
    “And the meaning, too,” the Russians answered.
  23. sergevonsohrn
    sergevonsohrn 13 December 2017 13: 49 New
    +1
    Americans for 25 years painstakingly created the anti-Russia project in Ukraine, using the betrayal and compromise of the Yeltsin regime and spending up to $ 5 billion according to the most conservative estimates! Now that this project is collapsing and has turned into a bloody booth, it is unbearably difficult for them to admit it. hence this hysteria about the "Russian aggression" .... Russia will have to prepare for other filth and act more systematically and decisively!
  24. kozerog
    kozerog 13 December 2017 14: 11 New
    +1
    Where are the Yankees and where are the Ukrainians! Where is the Russian Federation and where are the Mexicans, but - until the Yankees Texas return to Mexico - let them fly into space on a trampoline !!! And until the Yankees withdraw their troops from the Mexican wall - you have nothing to do with them, you know ...
  25. SergF123
    SergF123 13 December 2017 14: 34 New
    +4
    As long as we have rampant poverty, sabotage of officials and greed of the oligarchs, as well as violation of the law, there will be neither Great Russia nor respect for the enemies, although we do not care about their “respect”!
    1. turbris
      turbris 13 December 2017 15: 36 New
      0
      All expressed or forgot something? But you can’t talk about this in every post, especially since you’re not the only one who points to this, do not take bread from the “right” bloggers. Poverty, wrecking - is this sorry where? Where do you live? Yes, now even the homeless are better dressed than some "whiners", take a look! Poverty - compared with the oligarchs, it may be so. Look at the parked cars at your entrance, ask who does not have a summer residence? Maybe you don’t have all this, then you need to understand why, maybe at one time the work was not your calling?
      1. SergF123
        SergF123 13 December 2017 18: 13 New
        +1
        I would advise you to leave Moscow and come to Russia - preferably Siberia, to look at how people actually live, and to pop about work and how good you can be as much as you like, it's for the money .... Because, as if it's not for the money, then the speech of a resident of the white house! "
        1. turbris
          turbris 13 December 2017 18: 28 New
          +1
          What are you saying, well, where to Siberia? I was in Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Zelenogorsk, that I didn’t see general poverty there. Maybe you live in a village in Siberia, where there is no work, so the village in the European part of Russia is the same. There is no work, you need to move to where it is - the law of a normal life, and if you wait when work appears in your Zadrischensk, then this is your problem. Only it seems to me that you just live in Moscow, and you scatter here on behalf of the working people, just for the money.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 December 2017 18: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: turbris
            I was in Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk and Zelenogorsk, something I didn’t see general poverty there

            Take a look and then discuss. Yeah ?!
            https://youtu.be/HqrwnfnLGHM
            1. turbris
              turbris 13 December 2017 19: 18 New
              0
              I won’t even watch, I only trust my eyes, and you can remove everything that the director wants.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 13 December 2017 19: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: turbris
                I won’t even watch, I only trust my eyes, and you can remove everything that the director wants.

                Clearly, you do not need facts. Only neither Semin, nor Spitsin, nor Alferov can be blamed for bias hi
                1. turbris
                  turbris 13 December 2017 19: 41 New
                  0
                  Unfortunately you have perverted this word with your so-called "facts" - that I trust only what I saw and I wish you not to sit at the clave collecting "facts", but to go out and see with your own eyes how the people live.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 13 December 2017 19: 53 New
                    +2
                    Quote: turbris
                    Unfortunately you have perverted this word with your so-called "facts"

                    Uh ... uh, my friend, where you suffered
                    Quote: turbris
                    that I trust only what I saw and I wish you not to sit at the clave collecting "facts", but to go out and see with your own eyes how the people live.

                    Meditating, if you disclose everything that I see and what people say ....., and most importantly what they crave .....
                    Everything is clear to you with me, keep on "getting up" wassat
                    1. turbris
                      turbris 13 December 2017 21: 05 New
                      0
                      But it’s not clear to me! But I think I’ll figure it out soon.
                    2. SergF123
                      SergF123 14 December 2017 09: 27 New
                      +1
                      What to talk about with this - he is here for money, he won’t be able to convince him - he received his 30 pieces of silver for betraying the people!
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 14 December 2017 09: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: SergF123
                        SergF123

                        And you, sorry, to whom did the koment turn?
  26. Anti-fascist
    Anti-fascist 13 December 2017 15: 28 New
    0
    Tillerson has no doubt that the Kremlin is arming, waging war and training fighters of "anti-government forces" in eastern Ukraine.

    And who doubts? North wind?
  27. tracer
    tracer 13 December 2017 16: 28 New
    +2
    Athletes who go to the Olympics under the flag of dishonor personally for me will cease to exist as athletes and individuals. The very idea of ​​olympiads is a performance from a country that athletes represent. They do not represent anyone - there is no speech. Or do the “parsley” under the white flag think that from their funny performances the honor of the country comes from which they pass? No, quite the opposite. And for me they will be traitors.
    1. turbris
      turbris 13 December 2017 18: 32 New
      0
      This is on behalf of what nation or country are you talking about honor? Remind me where this Maclaren came from, is he the representative of which country?
  28. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 13 December 2017 16: 28 New
    +1
    We must never give up! And in the Cold War, they did not win. We ourselves then committed suicide, recognizing the superiority of the West! And pressure will only strengthen us. But it is necessary to rebuild the whole country under a mobilization regime of development.
  29. Plead
    Plead 14 December 2017 06: 43 New
    +1
    THE BRAIN IS IMPOSSIBLE TO REPLACE THE MUSCLES AND THE STOMACH! GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT OVER ALL! SHAME ON BRAIN DEGENERATES IN SPORT!
  30. turbris
    turbris 14 December 2017 10: 41 New
    0
    Sling cutter,
    But he got carried away, got nervous about something, he discovered traitors!
  31. vasilkovichi
    vasilkovichi 15 December 2017 10: 18 New
    0
    “We may have discrepancies in other arenas, in Syria, we may have discrepancies in other areas, however, when one country invades another, this is a difference that is hard to miss and difficult to reconcile,” said Tillerson. “This is the only and most difficult obstacle facing the normalization of relations with Russia, which we would very much like to do.”
    But what about Afghanistan, Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria?