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Tests of the Su-57 with the new engine will last several years

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Tests of the fifth generation fighter Su-57 (PAK FA - Perspective aviation front-line aviation complex, also known as T-50) will last for several years. This was announced to TASS by the president of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar.


Trials have just begun. They are, of course, for several years
- said Slyusar.

Tests of the Su-57 with the new engine will last several years


Su-57 is a fifth-generation Russian multi-role fighter developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It is equipped with a fundamentally new complex of deeply integrated avionics, with a high level of automation control and intelligent crew support. PAK FA first took to the air in 2010 year. With the engine of the second stage, the aircraft made the first flight 5 December 2017 of the year. Now it has the so-called first-stage engine - 117C, the new engine has not yet received its name and is conventionally referred to as “second-stage engine” or “30 product”

According to data from open sources, the fighter will be able to reach speeds of up to 2,6 thousands of km / h, and the range will be about 4,3 thousands of kilometers.

The development work should be completed in the 2019 year, at the same time it is expected to begin supplying these aircraft to the troops. The installation batch, as previously reported by Slusar, will consist of 12 machines.
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  1. vovanpain
    vovanpain 7 December 2017 14: 23 New
    15
    And why am I not surprised what
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 December 2017 14: 26 New
      +9
      As I understand it, Vladimir, the deadlines have been postponed for another year .. Here is the answer to some who claim that the deadlines for creating new equipment in Russia are the same as in the USSR ..
      Quote: vovanpain
      And why am I not surprised what
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 7 December 2017 14: 29 New
        +7
        Under Stalin, they would have been shot for this long ago ...
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 7 December 2017 14: 40 New
          +8
          Now there is no Stalin, you can do this yourself
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 7 December 2017 20: 38 New
            0
            The fact that for a long time it is indisputable, but the tests, as usual, continue even after being adopted and this is quite common, maybe Slyusar meant it? Plus ZI, there will also be repeated modernization and refinement, after which the product tests are repeated including bench and flight
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 7 December 2017 14: 30 New
        12
        Quote: 210ox
        As I understand it, Vladimir, the deadlines have been postponed for another year ..
        Quote: vovanpain
        And why am I not surprised what

        On the one hand, the product is new and, as they say, it hasn’t been brought to mind, but it will also be more expensive to rush like mattresses with fu 35.
      3. Young_Communist
        Young_Communist 7 December 2017 17: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        As I understand it, Vladimir, the deadlines have been postponed for another year .. Here is the answer to some who claim that the deadlines for creating new equipment in Russia are the same as in the USSR ..

        I have this opinion: Here on the site already flashed information that Sukhoi is already working on the creation of an airplane sixth generations based on the Su-57.
        Against the background of the fact that the Su-57 itself does not reach the fifth generation due to the initial fundamental miscalculations of the design - for example, there can be no talk of invisibility when your turbine blades sparkle over the entire radio range, and not at least covered partially, like on antediluvian Rafal or not hidden in S-shaped air intakes like on F-35 (we will leave the followers of the sect of electronic warfare sects to the followers of the radar blocker) and due to the fact that he will never catch up with the F-35 by the number of manufacturers and the machines that went into operation, that if our designers decided, taking advantage of Putin’s two future mobilization periods, to roll out a fighter straight into operation sixth generation? And not amusing, like the Su-57, with runs of 20-30 cars, but immediately hundreds, like mattresses? Replaying them at the finish line, so to speak?



        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 7 December 2017 18: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Young_Communist
          for example, there can be no talk of any inconspicuousness

          Do you still believe in these "invisible caps"? Technologies in the field of radar have long surpassed technologies in the field of creating the notorious "invisibility"
          1. Young_Communist
            Young_Communist 7 December 2017 18: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            Do you still believe in these "invisible caps"?

            On the Zvezda TV channel, they said that PAK-FA was invisible, and they would not * be living - it wasn’t liberal “Yehu” and “Rain”.

            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 7 December 2017 18: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Young_Communist
              On the TV channel "Star" they said that PAK-FA is invisible

              Well, if you believe all the journalists, and especially the TITLES of their articles - tady, of course, is invisible.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2017 22: 00 New
          +1
          “We are already working on the creation of a sixth generation aircraft based on the Su-57” - That's just not on the basis, but practically from scratch.
          1. Don
            Don 7 December 2017 23: 50 New
            +1
            And when, let me curiosity, will it be adopted? I hope, at least during the life of my children, at such a pace of development winked
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 7 December 2017 23: 59 New
            +3
            I admit that there were talented engineers who developed a good fuselage for him (the future 6th generation aircraft), some new engines - some combination of conventional and direct-flow, new missiles ...
            But I do not believe at all that we have overcome a deep lag in electronics, on the basis of which avionics for a new aircraft will be constructed. If there were no sanctions, then such electronics could be purchased and the problem solved, but under sanctions?
            And without such avionics, an airplane is impossible, the maximum is a cruise missile.
            1. freejack
              freejack 8 December 2017 11: 27 New
              0
              By the way, yes .... maybe for the first time in my life I agree with the "warrior" ... When the leapfrog with sanctions began, then we got a new big word - "import substitution" !!! And then an interview with one of the senior officials from Sukhoi flashed (quickly disappeared) ... In short, a lot of electronics were purchased for the su-34 and su-35, then maybe we will import it ... but with the t-50 there will be problems .... The essence of his bazaar is this ... recourse
        3. Peter Akhromov
          Peter Akhromov 8 December 2017 01: 38 New
          0
          The SU-57 has, albeit not a complete, but S-shaped bend of the air intakes. The blades there do not shine completely, plus there is a special bar in front of them. But the efficiency on the glider is much higher than that of the same F-22.
    2. Jedi
      Jedi 7 December 2017 14: 29 New
      +3
      Development work should be completed in 2019, at the same time it is supposed to begin deliveries of these aircraft to the troops.

      That is, the experimental batch will go with the engines of the first stage? sad
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 7 December 2017 15: 37 New
        +2
        Well ... So it seems this news has not been news since half a year. Is not it so?
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 7 December 2017 18: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Jedi
        That is, the experimental batch will go with the engines of the first stage?

        So it seems like they have been talking about this for a long time. The flight crew will so far master the car and all its complexes on old engines.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 7 December 2017 14: 32 New
      11
      Quote: vovanpain
      And why am I not surprised what

      Because it is declared by normal aiastroiteli, but not haters. It will be a great car from Su-57 when it is brought to mind.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 7 December 2017 14: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Because it is declared by normal aiastroiteli, but not haters. It will be a great car from Su-57 when it is brought to mind.

        And I'm talking about that, Aron read my second comment, I apologize for the tongue-tied. laughing
      2. Chestnut
        Chestnut 7 December 2017 14: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: vovanpain
        And why am I not surprised what

        Because it is declared by normal aiastroiteli, but not haters. It will be a great car from Su-57 when it is brought to mind.

        When the T50 is brought to mind, China and America will have an 8th generation fighter with the possibility of military action in space.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 7 December 2017 15: 41 New
          +8
          The United States and China still have no fifth generation.
          1. KKND
            KKND 7 December 2017 16: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Sith Lord
            The United States and China still have no fifth generation.

            That's right, they have the sixth, and we have the seventh.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 7 December 2017 16: 43 New
              0
              I will not exaggerate, look at the five main systems that the 5th generation should determine. The F-35 has only three out of five.
              1. KKND
                KKND 7 December 2017 16: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Sith Lord
                look at the five main systems that the 5th generation should define.

                To praise our defense industry not in front of an exalted audience, you need to have something in your head.
                Quote: Sith Lord
                I will not exaggerate

                And I check your knowledge of the materiel.
                Generally study, study and study again.
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith 7 December 2017 16: 48 New
                  0
                  And where do I praise our defense industry ??
                  1. KKND
                    KKND 7 December 2017 16: 57 New
                    0
                    Quote: Sith Lord
                    And where do I praise our defense industry ??

                    Sorry to scold the American.
                    In general, the generation of conventions that the vile Americans invented to show the lag in the planes above us.
                    F-22 response to the Su-27, Su-27 to the F-15 etc.
                    To get rid of the fact that the F-22 is just the answer to the Su-27 doesn’t really roll, so they came up with a generational gap (there’s still some technological way that would have to be added to make us feel completely down laughing ).
                    The answer to the F-22 Su-57. We were late with the answer, but better late than never.
                    F-35 response to the declining military budget of the 90s, 2000s.
                    Generally
                    Quote: KKND
                    Study, study and study again.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 7 December 2017 17: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        It will be a great car from Su-57 when it is brought to mind.

        No doubt! That's just: "I will not have to live in this wonderful time either for you or for me" (c). lol
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 7 December 2017 14: 32 New
      0
      This is another matter, and not 17 minutes of flight! It is necessary to bring to mind, and then show the results. winked
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 7 December 2017 14: 39 New
        +2
        The tests have just begun. They, of course, for several years, said Slyusar.

        Could not notify. Sami in the know. yes From 2018 to 2024, if the State Duma does not come up with anything new or does not open the "elixir of immortality" ... And rightly so. Where to rush, over the years so much dough through the hands of managers is leaking ... belay Most importantly, consider the comfort of night vision devices ... lol
        1. Genry
          Genry 7 December 2017 15: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Esoteric
          Where to rush, over the years so much dough through the hands of managers leaks ... belay

          Are you jealous?
          But this money, subsequently, is scattered among the population and thus increase the general level of wealth. Those. and you become the beneficiary of some part ...
          But it's not that. The aircraft is at the forefront of technological progress and now there is a change of generation of detection equipment - the era of ROFAR. The Su-50 should immediately focus on new technology and not spend money on the production of already obsolete aircraft with AFAR. If the war presses, then you just need to freeze development and begin serial production at the current stage. If there is no war, then simply move development further, with small experimental lots and with increasing reserves of materials and with increasing readiness for production.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 7 December 2017 18: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Genry
            If the war presses, then you just need to freeze development

            As history shows, war has not always slowed down, but accelerated development.
            1. Genry
              Genry 8 December 2017 16: 20 New
              0
              When you transfer the product to production, all the documentation - after that you can’t change anything (almost). Where they made a mistake - the brakes immediately start, the conveyor stops, ..., and searches for a quick way out of the situation, often to the detriment of the product. This is the most hemorrhoidal stage of production.
              When you stamp enough, then you can already make small changes, otherwise there will be a curse on you like "that you lived in an era of change." Production loves large series - then the share of debugging costs decreases.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 8 December 2017 16: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Genry
                When you transfer the product to production, all the documentation - after that you can’t change anything (almost).

                That's what I can argue with you. For 23 years I served on the Tu-95RC. So, when the first copies were already cut for scrap, the representatives of the plant were still working on the last and made design changes. And so it was throughout the entire period of their operation.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 8 December 2017 16: 34 New
                  0
                  Well, 23 years old - this draws not only to modification, but also to a new product.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 8 December 2017 16: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    Well, 23 years old - this draws not only to modification, but also to a new product.

                    And where does it? I answered your statement that nothing can be changed after the product is put into production.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 8 December 2017 00: 05 New
            0
            "generations of detection equipment - the era of ROFAR." ////

            What exactly is ROFAR no one knows for sure. What is the "O" in the title? What is there optical? Lasers instead of radio emitters? Or just optical cables instead of copper wires?
            1. Genry
              Genry 8 December 2017 15: 57 New
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              What exactly is ROFAR no one knows for sure. What is the "O" in the title? What is there optical?

              Go straight with your initial education ...
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Lasers instead of radio emitters? Or just optical cables instead of copper wires?

              Optical object construction or 3D radar.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 9 December 2017 22: 24 New
                0
                What about irradiation of an object with ordinary centimeter radio waves? So I get it.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 9 December 2017 23: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  What about irradiation of an object with ordinary centimeter radio waves? So I get it.

                  The point is not the radiation wavelength, but the reception. As in optics you can use light from a third-party source, and here, you can use someone else's radiation (or your own). The trick is in the technology of receiving a signal to the antenna array, with mathematical processing (like a focal lens and a camera matrix). The wavelength determines the resolution, and is tied to the size and location of the elements of the antenna array.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 December 2017 22: 03 New
          +1
          And at the end of the 20s, the Su 57 will no longer be needed, since the sixth generation will be lifted into the air - they will continue to buy Su 35 - in anticipation of the sixth.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 December 2017 14: 29 New
    +5
    Trials have just begun. They are, of course, for several years

    I think that we are talking about the fact that until the year 20 there is no need to wait for a production car with product 30. In principle, I think it's okay. Until the year 20, our combat pilots fly on the SU-57 with a product of 117, and by then not only will bring the product 30, but also the ROFAR serial will appear.
  3. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 December 2017 14: 30 New
    +5
    Observing people noticed by the flight video
    that the new was one of two aircraft engines.
    There are slight differences in the nozzles.
    Apparently, they wanted to insure themselves in case of failure of a new
    and not lose the prototype.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 7 December 2017 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      observant people noticed that the new one was one of two aircraft engines.
      There are slight differences in the nozzles.

      belay lol Observational people did not notice that even in snot there are slight differences. laughing Read the suggestions:
      With a second stage engine aircraft made its first flight on December 5, 2017. Now it stands on the so-called engine of the first stage - 117C, the new engine has not yet received a name and is conventionally referred to as the "engine of the second stage" or "product 30"

      With dvigatel ... Exist. M.R., singular, in the date of case ... request
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 December 2017 14: 50 New
        +1
        But the aircraft is twin-engine. With one he is in the air
        won't rise belay
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        2. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 7 December 2017 15: 53 New
          +4
          This is the Flying Lab. It does not happen otherwise. It always did.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 December 2017 14: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Apparently, they wanted to insure themselves in case of failure of a new

      There is a testing of product 30 in flight modes. PD-14 was also set in only one instance. In the event of an emergency, the 57th can also extend the product 117 on one engine. Everything is logical and practical.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 December 2017 17: 14 New
        0
        "and on one engine, product 117. Everything is logical and practical." ///

        And I understood the same way. drinks
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 7 December 2017 15: 39 New
      +2
      or just made just one test item ..
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 December 2017 15: 42 New
      +2
      That's right here is the video
  4. starogil
    starogil 7 December 2017 14: 35 New
    13
    This "plywood", it seems, will not appear in the troops - NEVER, like Armata, or the Vostochny spaceport,
    like .......
    1. Going
      Going 7 December 2017 14: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: starogil
      This "plywood", it seems, will not appear in the troops - NEVER, like Armata, or the Vostochny spaceport,
      like .......

      What is all gone?
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 7 December 2017 14: 42 New
        +2
        Right! All entourage got it! I’m happy about this news and, starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!
        1. the most important
          the most important 7 December 2017 14: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Dangerous
          starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!

          Do you have 23 liver ??? belay
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 7 December 2017 14: 50 New
          +9
          Quote: Dangerous
          I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!
          Judging by the timing of the tests, you will have a sip long before that. WMS not worth it? laughing Better drink kefir. Good for your health.
        3. Mihanishche
          Mihanishche 7 December 2017 14: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Dangerous
          Right! All entourage got it! I’m happy about this news and, starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!

          - correctly! You're good! And I will, too, although health is no longer that, but a faithful Kalash is standing in the corner and waiting - when to armor and to Europe, bring them peace and tranquility and liberation!

          And on the topic - well done our! Cleverly brains the staff. They were bred as children on the F-35, but they themselves were not going to adopt the Su-57. Hehe ... and the Americans have already spent a denyuzhku !!! What is the result? As a result, the useless F-35, which loses to everyone, is bad and in general. Hehe ...
          1. Going
            Going 7 December 2017 15: 23 New
            +4
            Vitaly, do you think this is such a plan, to divorce the USA?
            1. activator
              activator 7 December 2017 15: 45 New
              +5
              Quote: Going
              Vitaly, do you think this is such a plan, to divorce the USA?

              Yeah, they’ve gotten the hell out of there already. sad
        4. vovanpain
          vovanpain 7 December 2017 14: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: Dangerous
          I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!

          Colleague, I am afraid for your health and finances. belay
        5. AID.S
          AID.S 7 December 2017 15: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: Dangerous
          Right! All entourage got it! I’m glad about this news and, starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day

          An uneconomical way to escape from reality.
        6. Galleon
          Galleon 7 December 2017 15: 55 New
          +8
          Quote: Dangerous
          Right! All entourage got it! I’m happy about this news and, starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!

          Goodbye, comrade! crying
        7. Town Hall
          Town Hall 7 December 2017 17: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Dangerous
          Right! All entourage got it! I’m happy about this news and, starting from this day, I will drink a liter of 40 degrees a day, until the first production vehicles appear in the army!



          Train your 5th generation liver
      2. starogil
        starogil 7 December 2017 15: 24 New
        +1
        "... The tests have just begun. They, of course, for several years
        - said Slusar ... "
        Here in VO there was an article in which the expert suggested that this "plywood"
        will begin to enter the troops in 2028-2029, and the F-22 "raptor" is already flying,
        15 years old?
        1. nikolaev
          nikolaev 7 December 2017 15: 33 New
          +2
          And what about Turner? what did Turner say?
    2. Jedi
      Jedi 7 December 2017 14: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: starogil
      This "plywood", it seems, will not appear in the troops - NEVER, like Armata, or the Vostochny spaceport,
      like .......

      Well, change citizenship and flag and - good riddance! With your whining, what and to whom do you prove?
      1. Going
        Going 7 December 2017 15: 22 New
        +3
        Maxim, has there been a lot of them lately, are they getting ready for the elections?
      2. Scalpel
        Scalpel 7 December 2017 17: 08 New
        0
        Take money from PR specialists and give it to engineers, that’s what. And in general, end garbage toil and undermine morality by unfulfilled promises.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 December 2017 15: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: starogil
      This "plywood" does not seem to appear in the troops - NEVER

      What a fright? Regular work is underway on all fighter systems. In this case, testing a new engine that is not easy to create.
      Quote: starogil
      like Armata

      You still blurt about Armata from cardboard, for a complete entourage ... fool
      Quote: starogil
      like the Vostochny spaceport,
      like .......

      East is already functioning. Despite the fact that the theft was arrogant beyond the limit.
    4. Lex.
      Lex. 7 December 2017 19: 04 New
      +1
      And what to appear?
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2017 22: 04 New
      +2
      This "plywood" will appear on the arms market.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 7 December 2017 14: 46 New
    +3
    Tired of promises! Courage is not enough to give an exact date? Do not know how to get rid of it? After a couple of years, he will become obsolete without ever entering the army. They would close this senseless program, and give money to KB Mig, to create a lightweight 5th generation fighter.
  6. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 7 December 2017 14: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Apparently, they wanted to insure themselves in case of failure of a new

    This is not a safety net. This is LL - flying laboratory. One engine is full-time, the second is a test one. But a shift to the right by a few more years is not good. At such a pace, we can be in third roles.
  7. vadimtt
    vadimtt 7 December 2017 14: 50 New
    +1
    C'mon, what's wrong with the timing? Advanced engine, new. Not everything is so simple, technology has advanced, it has become more difficult to develop engines. Here we would be glad for the young Chief, who nevertheless brought the engine out of the hangar to life. Difficult child.
  8. Tektor
    Tektor 7 December 2017 15: 15 New
    0
    The statement is clear, but you must hurry in a hurry. Modern computational capabilities for process modeling can significantly reduce the field testing program. And the engines "product 30" have already passed a set of tests at the stands since April, it seems. And before that he was "chased" on a computer. If the engine just starts to confirm what was modeled, then I would quickly put it on board. Not in a few years, which are not, but in a year.
  9. Grits
    Grits 7 December 2017 15: 18 New
    +4
    What tells me that I won’t live up to a production car ...
  10. vovashturman
    vovashturman 7 December 2017 15: 27 New
    +3
    OCD will end in the 19th, but we will test it for several tens of thousands of years and will purchase it when the sewer manholes will fly on cruising supersonic.
  11. HEATHER
    HEATHER 7 December 2017 15: 55 New
    0
    They flew around the car with one engine of the second stage. They shouted what would arrive in the 18th.Tests of the Su-57 with the new engine will last several years Delivering the supply of troops? Damn it! I forgot where I buried the machine. am
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 December 2017 22: 18 New
      +1
      We must already forget that this aircraft will be in the army - if the timing is so cool, then something is wrong with the aircraft - the main reason, most likely, is that the sixth generation in Russia is already being created and it is asked what the hell to buy the fifth generation for the price of two Su 35 - which is in no way inferior to him and when the sixth generation of fighters is already on the verge. Our fifth generation plane was supposed to appear, twenty years ago.
  12. senima56
    senima56 7 December 2017 16: 03 New
    +4
    What was required to prove! When I said that "this story with the SU-57 seems to be endless: either a new engine, then a new weapon, or a new avionics ..." Here, many were outraged!
  13. NF68
    NF68 7 December 2017 16: 14 New
    +2
    What is surprising about this. Concern Airbus Industry was transported even more with its transporter A-400. And the Su-57 is still a new generation fighter.
  14. Nemesis
    Nemesis 7 December 2017 18: 50 New
    +1
    If the tests of the Su-57 continue at such a pace, then at the exit of the Russian Federation it will receive a morally obsolete aircraft, which will spend huge amounts of money.
  15. Galleon
    Galleon 7 December 2017 19: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    What a fright? Regular work is underway on all fighter systems. In this case, testing a new engine that is not easy to create.

    Hasn't the new engine passed comprehensive bench tests? Why are the tests of cars and diesel locomotives with new engines not re-deployed like a button accordion? My questions are not rhetorical, I really would like to know the features of aircraft testing. Why does the new engine need to start all over again? Maybe it’s not a matter of the engine, but of other systems that cause the product to break?
    Acceptance / delivery of a new ship, even a new project, with firing from all weapons, all sea trials and state tests, take 2-3 months, subject to corrections. Why is there such a "many summers"? With "Armata" the same garbage, I will not say that "history". What's the matter? Tell me if you know.
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 7 December 2017 21: 23 New
    +5
    They got the "all-crawler". All direct pilots, experts, flying thousands of hours. That is not so and this is not an ale. Ugh.
  17. Falcond
    Falcond 7 December 2017 23: 58 New
    +1
    The troops will not see him for a long time ... therefore invisible!
  18. complete zero
    complete zero 8 December 2017 00: 24 New
    0
    [quote = Young_Communist] [quote = 210quq] As I understand it, Vladimir, the deadlines have been postponed by another year .. Here's an answer to some who say that the deadlines for creating new equipment in Russia are the same as in the USSR .. [/ quote]
    I have this opinion: Here on the site already flashed information that Sukhoi is already working on the creation of an airplane sixth generations based on the Su-57.
    Against the background of the fact that the Su-57 itself does not reach the fifth generation due to the initial fundamental miscalculations of the design - for example, there can be no talk of invisibility when your turbine blades sparkle over the entire radio range, and not at least covered partially, like on antediluvian Rafal or not hidden in S-shaped air intakes like on F-35 (we will leave the followers of the sect of electronic warfare sects to the followers of the radar blocker) and due to the fact that he will never catch up with the F-35 by the number of manufacturers and the machines that went into operation, that if our designers decided, taking advantage of Putin’s two future mobilization periods, to roll out a fighter straight into operation sixth generation? And not amusing, like the Su-57, with runs of 20-30 cars, but immediately hundreds, like mattresses? Replaying them at the finish line, so to speak?
    and bobla is enough for this sixth generation technology miracle (I doubt it very much)


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    1. monahsb
      monahsb 3 January 2018 19: 34 New
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      if you don’t understand this, the turbine blades are not in front of the nozzle, but this is the compressor and it doesn’t spin on experimental aircraft, they don’t put protection on it and nobody will show it
  19. complete zero
    complete zero 8 December 2017 00: 27 New
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    Quote: Young_Communist
    Quote: Piramidon
    Do you still believe in these "invisible caps"?

    On the Zvezda TV channel, they said that PAK-FA was invisible, and they would not * be living - it wasn’t liberal “Yehu” and “Rain”.


    it's a Star then Don’t pi ... t (I don’t know how it rains and I don’t look at it)?
  20. dvvv
    dvvv 8 December 2017 11: 41 New
    +1
    The USSR has always lagged behind the United States in engines and electronics. And now this has only worsened, because then the electronic industry, although lagging behind, was engaged in basic research and materials science, in short it was something to accelerate and at least somehow produce. Now there is no science, there is no production of means of production, and no one will sell advanced equipment to Russia, and therefore no one will replace anything. Flights in tenders in India are not random, because Indians are able to evaluate what they are offered. Well, okay, there won’t be any serious war, but in local conflicts with barmales, even the Su-24 is applicable and there’s no generation at all)
  21. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 8 December 2017 21: 40 New
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    Well, if for the sake of turning from this into this ...

    otherwise you’ll get embarrassed: