"New Ukraine" in the ATO: both profitable and patriotic
We should start with an unexpected conclusion for many Russian readers. Ukrainians are proud of their own army. This is reality. The reality of which little is written and spoken. And this reality is not a parochial phenomenon. This is an all-Ukrainian trend.
We managed to hold several conversations with participants of the ATO. Very peculiar impressions and information at the exit. Normal and calm attitude to the war, based not so much on patriotism (although it is present), but on the fact that it is profitable.
How is this attitude toward war shaped? Why do people who are ready to “Maidan” against the president and the government go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and many remain in the ATO area on the contract?
Ukrainian ideologists have not invented anything new. Everything is old, Soviet, but pretty revised for today. The formation of a patriot begins in early childhood. A lot of material has been written about it. We are also interested in a later period. The moment when a child can be made a soldier.
We often speak and write about the "Russianness" of Ukrainians. Even in the most remote areas of Kiev, it is present. But it should be understood more as a "Soviet". The fact that so far unsuccessfully poisoned in Ukraine, but used actively and with a fairly effective. "Soviet memory" does not just help. It has become the cornerstone of all ideological work.
So, the basis of educating the understanding of the moment for the Ukrainian soldier is the Chechen wars of Russia. I am sure that many of those readers who are in the Ukrainian forums constantly see comments from the ukropatriot, where there is a direct comparison of Donbass and Chechnya. Comparison of these events. And most often schoolchildren and "housewives" write about it.
“Donbass, like Chechnya, was captured by gangs of criminals. And the purpose of this capture is simple. Create areas where there will be no power and order, where it will be possible to concentrate international crime rather than Ukrainian. Areas that will constantly threaten peaceful to the population not only of Donbass, but of the whole of Ukraine. "
That is why in the media and at various sites, real and fictional criminals are surely mentioned (those who really had problems with the law in the past) who now rule the republics or command the most prepared military units of the LDNR. That is why in the speeches of Ukrainian politicians foreign volunteers are mentioned in the ranks of the Republicans. And, of course, the Russian military.
"Chechnya was supported not only by international terrorist organizations, but also by many states."
Ukrainians have not forgotten the participation of their citizens in the Chechen war. Do not forget the help of Georgia. There are enough literate people. And today, this analogy perfectly helps to form Ukrainian ideology as such.
Today, any Ukrainian will tell you what will happen soon in the Donbas. You will not learn anything new. It will be exactly the same as happened in Chechnya. "Our cause is just. Victory will be ours!" in the Ukrainian version it looks like this: we will liberate the Donbass (see below), punish the guilty to the fullest extent, rebuild the region, launch industrial enterprises, mines. And in this way we will not only restore order, but also make the Donbass one of the most valuable Ukrainian regions. The pillar of the ideology of Ukraine.
Few of the readers know, but once, more recently, Donbass was proud of not allowing the oligarchs from Russia to their enterprises. He was proud of the fact that the Pitmen are independently developing the region. Ukraine is not Russia, it’s from there ... We are silent about it, but Ukrainians speak. And in all forums. They speak with specific examples of statements, often fake, but generally known for a long time.
For example, it is worth analyzing the attitude of Ukrainians to the latest events in the LC. This is quite interesting from the point of view of ideology. In terms of raising hatred towards Republicans.
Many of the readers drew attention to some of the oddities of the Ukrainian coverage of events in the Donbas. A lot of materials about Zakharchenko and the DPR and very little about Carpentry and the LPR. Moreover, the materials are of a “criminal nature”. This company was carried out so massively that even in Russia there were people who, with foaming at the mouth, argued the connections of the DPR leadership with the crime. But with the LC, it did not work. “Not sticking” is to Plotnitsky. The power of criminals in Donetsk is, and in Lugansk like and no.
Today, the power in Lugansk changed. The initiator of the change of power is Cornet, but in reality the power passed to Beekeeper. And now they say about the Lugansk authorities in Ukraine? Now the power in Lugansk became the power of "Judas"! Again we have to go back to the past. Both initiators of the change of power in the republic in the past were related to the power structures of Ukraine. Cornet "from the bottom", sergeant of the Ukrainian traffic police. But Pasechnik is a former lieutenant colonel of the SBU. And in fact, both took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine and both violated it.
For Ukrainian propaganda, a new theme has emerged. A theme that is truly sensitive to any person. Especially for those who have ever served in the army or other structures. The topic of betrayal of the interests of the people and traitors in general. And the traitors must be destroyed! By the way, this is precisely what caused the campaign of the persecution of the daughter of Cornet in Kharkov. "The son is not responsible for the father" - these are Stalin's words. And in Ukraine, the daughter must answer for her father.
True, to say that today all Ukrainians adhere to this point of view, it is impossible. I think those who define ideology have not yet resolved the issue of the main direction of work themselves. A large majority of Ukrainians express a different point of view. Former scouts do not happen. Pasechnik was and remains a member of the SBU. And precisely now, when the power is in his hands, Lugansk will peacefully return to Ukraine.
We have described approximately the environment in which a potential conscript or contract soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lives. Agree, even a person who is not too understanding in political games will consciously go to defend his own country. Go to restore order. That is why we have doubted the data of some of our political scientists about the results of the Ukrainian draft, which we wrote about in the last article.
And one more thing that needs to be mentioned. Russian troops in the Donbas. Again, a surprise for many Russians. There are almost no people in Ukraine who do not believe in the participation of the Russian army in this war. Paradox? By no means. If you look at the Ukrainian media and forums, you will see the answer to the question we often ask. Why do ukrovoinov and volunteers "batteries sit" when you need to remove the Russian military equipment or Russian soldiers in the Donbas?
There are a lot of photo materials about Russians in Ukraine. Overwhelmingly fake, but there are those that really cause questions. It seems that the Republicans had BTR-82A and some other samples (the “Resident” EW complex, thanks to the idiots from the “East”), who had never seen the APU. And how many of us already "poke in the nose" with two specialists caught by the APU? Alas, in Ukraine no one needs evidence of our participation or non-participation. No one ...
Then we will look at those who already "protect Ukraine from criminals and separatists." Soldiers and officers. This is important for understanding the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in general and the possibility of advancing in particular.
First of all, the propagandists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the power of the Russian weapons. Our victories. Today, almost any soldier who has passed the ATO will tell you that "the miners are a cowardly slander," but if you have Russians in front of you, then this is serious. A clear division of the republican army into "miners" and "Russian soldiers" works great. In those areas where the "Russian" are, Ukrainian soldiers do not shoot. Fearfully. Who wants to die from the literate "otvetki"?
In the case of a successful operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will surely spread the “opinion of veterans and experienced fighters” about the inability of the miners to fight. Each operation stroke will be sucked. There will be hundreds of times examples of Republican cowardice. Alas, but it must be admitted that such cases really happened. Short-term retreat and even flight. But this is quite enough for a propagandist. This is quite enough for today's Ukrainians in general.
And again, the "obvious - incredible" for the Russian reader. The soldiers and the officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine respect the Russian army. It sounds strange, but most of the ATO veterans always speak about Russian soldiers, about Russian equipment and Russian commanders in superlatives. Even the direct question about Russian specialists, who for some reason after those two, stopped catching, should be a shocking answer. "The Russians respect our army and stopped sending" losers "to us. We have the best specialists in Russia. And how they are trained you yourself know. Therefore we do not catch. Cool guys ... "
Remember the messages of the republican press center about successful actions of the corps and losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Do you think Ukrainian "zampolity" silent about this? Yes, in any case. They tell, and even with the details. Just because even blunders serve the education of a soldier. Invented division into "Russian and miners" works in this case. "Learn how to fight! Russians also serve for only a year, but how do they shoot? How a shell is laid into a shell. Learn and you will be the same" rembo "..."
Let's return to the beginning of the article. Veteran ATO goes home. A soldier is riding, who has defended his country under the onslaught of "the most terrible and strong army of Europe and even of the world." He goes, who not only defended his own state, but returned 10, 20, 100 meters of Ukrainian territory to Ukraine. Freed the village, some insignificant object. A piece of land. But released!
And such a veteran receives really veteran benefits and honor for his service. Tell me: can a question arise in Russia about depriving a participant of a database of a veteran certificate? At the level of adoption of the law? Funny question, isn't it?
But in Ukraine this question is quite important. The veteran has decent, by Ukrainian standards, benefits. And not only in Ukrainian. Judge for yourself. I will give some of the benefits that are laid veteran / disabled ATO. The list is generally large, for whom it is interesting, he himself can familiarize himself with: http://cdu-ato.com.ua/yaki-pilgi-nadayutsya-uchasnikam-boyovih-diy-v-ukrayini-u-2017-rotsi/.
What is really working is selected, according to the testimony of the participants with whom we communicated:
- 100% discount for war invalids and 75% discount to combatants for the use of housing (rent) and utilities (gas, electricity and other services) within the limits provided by applicable law, as well as 75% discount fuels for persons living in houses without central heating;
- free travel on all types of urban passenger transport, public transport in rural areas, as well as rail and water transport commuter services and buses and suburban and intercity routes, regardless of distance and place of residence;
- the extraordinary use of all communication services and the extraordinary establishment on preferential terms of apartment telephones (payment in the amount of 20% of the tariffs of the cost of basic and 50% of additional work). The subscription fee for using the phone is set at 50% of the approved tariffs;
- the preemptive right to remain at work in case of a reduction in the number or staff of employees due to changes in the organization of production and labor and to employment in the event of the liquidation of an enterprise, institution, organization;
- free provision of spa treatment or receipt of compensation for the cost of self-resort treatment.
In general, this is the most delicious of the list of 20-ti benefits and rights.
By the way, many participants of the ATO have, oddly enough, children. About them, too, there is a moment:
- Children who have not reached the age of twenty-three can apply not only for budgetary education, but also for social scholarships, free textbooks and teaching materials, as well as free living in the dormitories of state universities.
As one of those with whom we spoke told us, serving in the ATO is beneficial.
“I went to fight for my country. I flew out of the institute, because there was no money to pay for tuition. Now I will come back and get a diploma for free. I'm supposed to. And they will take me to work, because I was in the ATO and fought, ahead of many. This is if I do not want to return to the army, and I think, we can not find such a salary there. And I honestly deserved the benefits, I was not hanging around the rear, and the mortar was on the front end. I don’t know how this is the case with Russian “ikhtamnets” (I confess, I communicated with a “spare” account such as from Kazakhstan), but to me completely. I took care of the country, the country now takes care of me. Everything is clear. "
Bought - sold, say? Maybe. But a fact. We must pay tribute to the Ukrainian ideologues. They beat us in many ways, especially in a bunch of "patriotism + personal gain." One does not always interfere with one another.
And one moment. Not Kiev bottling. Look at the photo. Alley of honorary citizens of one of the cities of Ukraine. Small, so to speak. Somewhere in Galicia.
Please note, Heroes of the Soviet Union, Heroes of Socialist Labor, soldiers-liberators, teachers, doctors, honored people who have received awards. By the way, de-communization does not even smell here. Hang portraits in beautiful forged frames.
And alongside doctors, teachers, farmers, are heroes of the ATO. An interesting twist, isn't it?
Understanding the essence of the new ideology of Ukraine is necessary. Otherwise, our conversations about what is happening there turn into a simple shaking of air. We have touched on only a very small part of the issue of the formation of a “new Ukrainian”. But even this is enough to understand the difference that each of us begins to feel when communicating personally with the citizens of Ukraine.
Not everything is so simple there and funny, as some show it. Not everyone.
We managed to hold several conversations with participants of the ATO. Very peculiar impressions and information at the exit. Normal and calm attitude to the war, based not so much on patriotism (although it is present), but on the fact that it is profitable.
How is this attitude toward war shaped? Why do people who are ready to “Maidan” against the president and the government go to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and many remain in the ATO area on the contract?
Ukrainian ideologists have not invented anything new. Everything is old, Soviet, but pretty revised for today. The formation of a patriot begins in early childhood. A lot of material has been written about it. We are also interested in a later period. The moment when a child can be made a soldier.
We often speak and write about the "Russianness" of Ukrainians. Even in the most remote areas of Kiev, it is present. But it should be understood more as a "Soviet". The fact that so far unsuccessfully poisoned in Ukraine, but used actively and with a fairly effective. "Soviet memory" does not just help. It has become the cornerstone of all ideological work.
So, the basis of educating the understanding of the moment for the Ukrainian soldier is the Chechen wars of Russia. I am sure that many of those readers who are in the Ukrainian forums constantly see comments from the ukropatriot, where there is a direct comparison of Donbass and Chechnya. Comparison of these events. And most often schoolchildren and "housewives" write about it.
“Donbass, like Chechnya, was captured by gangs of criminals. And the purpose of this capture is simple. Create areas where there will be no power and order, where it will be possible to concentrate international crime rather than Ukrainian. Areas that will constantly threaten peaceful to the population not only of Donbass, but of the whole of Ukraine. "
That is why in the media and at various sites, real and fictional criminals are surely mentioned (those who really had problems with the law in the past) who now rule the republics or command the most prepared military units of the LDNR. That is why in the speeches of Ukrainian politicians foreign volunteers are mentioned in the ranks of the Republicans. And, of course, the Russian military.
"Chechnya was supported not only by international terrorist organizations, but also by many states."
Ukrainians have not forgotten the participation of their citizens in the Chechen war. Do not forget the help of Georgia. There are enough literate people. And today, this analogy perfectly helps to form Ukrainian ideology as such.
Today, any Ukrainian will tell you what will happen soon in the Donbas. You will not learn anything new. It will be exactly the same as happened in Chechnya. "Our cause is just. Victory will be ours!" in the Ukrainian version it looks like this: we will liberate the Donbass (see below), punish the guilty to the fullest extent, rebuild the region, launch industrial enterprises, mines. And in this way we will not only restore order, but also make the Donbass one of the most valuable Ukrainian regions. The pillar of the ideology of Ukraine.
Few of the readers know, but once, more recently, Donbass was proud of not allowing the oligarchs from Russia to their enterprises. He was proud of the fact that the Pitmen are independently developing the region. Ukraine is not Russia, it’s from there ... We are silent about it, but Ukrainians speak. And in all forums. They speak with specific examples of statements, often fake, but generally known for a long time.
For example, it is worth analyzing the attitude of Ukrainians to the latest events in the LC. This is quite interesting from the point of view of ideology. In terms of raising hatred towards Republicans.
Many of the readers drew attention to some of the oddities of the Ukrainian coverage of events in the Donbas. A lot of materials about Zakharchenko and the DPR and very little about Carpentry and the LPR. Moreover, the materials are of a “criminal nature”. This company was carried out so massively that even in Russia there were people who, with foaming at the mouth, argued the connections of the DPR leadership with the crime. But with the LC, it did not work. “Not sticking” is to Plotnitsky. The power of criminals in Donetsk is, and in Lugansk like and no.
Today, the power in Lugansk changed. The initiator of the change of power is Cornet, but in reality the power passed to Beekeeper. And now they say about the Lugansk authorities in Ukraine? Now the power in Lugansk became the power of "Judas"! Again we have to go back to the past. Both initiators of the change of power in the republic in the past were related to the power structures of Ukraine. Cornet "from the bottom", sergeant of the Ukrainian traffic police. But Pasechnik is a former lieutenant colonel of the SBU. And in fact, both took the oath of allegiance to Ukraine and both violated it.
For Ukrainian propaganda, a new theme has emerged. A theme that is truly sensitive to any person. Especially for those who have ever served in the army or other structures. The topic of betrayal of the interests of the people and traitors in general. And the traitors must be destroyed! By the way, this is precisely what caused the campaign of the persecution of the daughter of Cornet in Kharkov. "The son is not responsible for the father" - these are Stalin's words. And in Ukraine, the daughter must answer for her father.
True, to say that today all Ukrainians adhere to this point of view, it is impossible. I think those who define ideology have not yet resolved the issue of the main direction of work themselves. A large majority of Ukrainians express a different point of view. Former scouts do not happen. Pasechnik was and remains a member of the SBU. And precisely now, when the power is in his hands, Lugansk will peacefully return to Ukraine.
We have described approximately the environment in which a potential conscript or contract soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lives. Agree, even a person who is not too understanding in political games will consciously go to defend his own country. Go to restore order. That is why we have doubted the data of some of our political scientists about the results of the Ukrainian draft, which we wrote about in the last article.
And one more thing that needs to be mentioned. Russian troops in the Donbas. Again, a surprise for many Russians. There are almost no people in Ukraine who do not believe in the participation of the Russian army in this war. Paradox? By no means. If you look at the Ukrainian media and forums, you will see the answer to the question we often ask. Why do ukrovoinov and volunteers "batteries sit" when you need to remove the Russian military equipment or Russian soldiers in the Donbas?
There are a lot of photo materials about Russians in Ukraine. Overwhelmingly fake, but there are those that really cause questions. It seems that the Republicans had BTR-82A and some other samples (the “Resident” EW complex, thanks to the idiots from the “East”), who had never seen the APU. And how many of us already "poke in the nose" with two specialists caught by the APU? Alas, in Ukraine no one needs evidence of our participation or non-participation. No one ...
Then we will look at those who already "protect Ukraine from criminals and separatists." Soldiers and officers. This is important for understanding the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in general and the possibility of advancing in particular.
First of all, the propagandists of the Armed Forces of Ukraine use the power of the Russian weapons. Our victories. Today, almost any soldier who has passed the ATO will tell you that "the miners are a cowardly slander," but if you have Russians in front of you, then this is serious. A clear division of the republican army into "miners" and "Russian soldiers" works great. In those areas where the "Russian" are, Ukrainian soldiers do not shoot. Fearfully. Who wants to die from the literate "otvetki"?
In the case of a successful operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will surely spread the “opinion of veterans and experienced fighters” about the inability of the miners to fight. Each operation stroke will be sucked. There will be hundreds of times examples of Republican cowardice. Alas, but it must be admitted that such cases really happened. Short-term retreat and even flight. But this is quite enough for a propagandist. This is quite enough for today's Ukrainians in general.
And again, the "obvious - incredible" for the Russian reader. The soldiers and the officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine respect the Russian army. It sounds strange, but most of the ATO veterans always speak about Russian soldiers, about Russian equipment and Russian commanders in superlatives. Even the direct question about Russian specialists, who for some reason after those two, stopped catching, should be a shocking answer. "The Russians respect our army and stopped sending" losers "to us. We have the best specialists in Russia. And how they are trained you yourself know. Therefore we do not catch. Cool guys ... "
Remember the messages of the republican press center about successful actions of the corps and losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Do you think Ukrainian "zampolity" silent about this? Yes, in any case. They tell, and even with the details. Just because even blunders serve the education of a soldier. Invented division into "Russian and miners" works in this case. "Learn how to fight! Russians also serve for only a year, but how do they shoot? How a shell is laid into a shell. Learn and you will be the same" rembo "..."
Let's return to the beginning of the article. Veteran ATO goes home. A soldier is riding, who has defended his country under the onslaught of "the most terrible and strong army of Europe and even of the world." He goes, who not only defended his own state, but returned 10, 20, 100 meters of Ukrainian territory to Ukraine. Freed the village, some insignificant object. A piece of land. But released!
And such a veteran receives really veteran benefits and honor for his service. Tell me: can a question arise in Russia about depriving a participant of a database of a veteran certificate? At the level of adoption of the law? Funny question, isn't it?
But in Ukraine this question is quite important. The veteran has decent, by Ukrainian standards, benefits. And not only in Ukrainian. Judge for yourself. I will give some of the benefits that are laid veteran / disabled ATO. The list is generally large, for whom it is interesting, he himself can familiarize himself with: http://cdu-ato.com.ua/yaki-pilgi-nadayutsya-uchasnikam-boyovih-diy-v-ukrayini-u-2017-rotsi/.
What is really working is selected, according to the testimony of the participants with whom we communicated:
- 100% discount for war invalids and 75% discount to combatants for the use of housing (rent) and utilities (gas, electricity and other services) within the limits provided by applicable law, as well as 75% discount fuels for persons living in houses without central heating;
- free travel on all types of urban passenger transport, public transport in rural areas, as well as rail and water transport commuter services and buses and suburban and intercity routes, regardless of distance and place of residence;
- the extraordinary use of all communication services and the extraordinary establishment on preferential terms of apartment telephones (payment in the amount of 20% of the tariffs of the cost of basic and 50% of additional work). The subscription fee for using the phone is set at 50% of the approved tariffs;
- the preemptive right to remain at work in case of a reduction in the number or staff of employees due to changes in the organization of production and labor and to employment in the event of the liquidation of an enterprise, institution, organization;
- free provision of spa treatment or receipt of compensation for the cost of self-resort treatment.
In general, this is the most delicious of the list of 20-ti benefits and rights.
By the way, many participants of the ATO have, oddly enough, children. About them, too, there is a moment:
- Children who have not reached the age of twenty-three can apply not only for budgetary education, but also for social scholarships, free textbooks and teaching materials, as well as free living in the dormitories of state universities.
As one of those with whom we spoke told us, serving in the ATO is beneficial.
“I went to fight for my country. I flew out of the institute, because there was no money to pay for tuition. Now I will come back and get a diploma for free. I'm supposed to. And they will take me to work, because I was in the ATO and fought, ahead of many. This is if I do not want to return to the army, and I think, we can not find such a salary there. And I honestly deserved the benefits, I was not hanging around the rear, and the mortar was on the front end. I don’t know how this is the case with Russian “ikhtamnets” (I confess, I communicated with a “spare” account such as from Kazakhstan), but to me completely. I took care of the country, the country now takes care of me. Everything is clear. "
Bought - sold, say? Maybe. But a fact. We must pay tribute to the Ukrainian ideologues. They beat us in many ways, especially in a bunch of "patriotism + personal gain." One does not always interfere with one another.
And one moment. Not Kiev bottling. Look at the photo. Alley of honorary citizens of one of the cities of Ukraine. Small, so to speak. Somewhere in Galicia.
Please note, Heroes of the Soviet Union, Heroes of Socialist Labor, soldiers-liberators, teachers, doctors, honored people who have received awards. By the way, de-communization does not even smell here. Hang portraits in beautiful forged frames.
And alongside doctors, teachers, farmers, are heroes of the ATO. An interesting twist, isn't it?
Understanding the essence of the new ideology of Ukraine is necessary. Otherwise, our conversations about what is happening there turn into a simple shaking of air. We have touched on only a very small part of the issue of the formation of a “new Ukrainian”. But even this is enough to understand the difference that each of us begins to feel when communicating personally with the citizens of Ukraine.
Not everything is so simple there and funny, as some show it. Not everyone.
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