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Su-34 bomber increases combat effectiveness

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Multifunctional front-line bomber Su-34 is being finalized for new aviation weapons of destruction (TSA) and advanced avionics (BREO), the military-industrial complex said on Tuesday.


Now there are special flight tests (SLI) to expand the combat effectiveness of the aircraft
- Said the source agency.

He clarified that earlier, during the first phase of SLI, the Su-34 "had the opportunity to use more advanced TSA and improved avionics, in particular, electronic warfare (EW)."

Su-34 bomber increases combat effectiveness


During the current stage, the Su-34 will be tested with both new TSA and some new or modified on-board equipment systems. In particular, - adapted for new means of destruction in order to maximize the combat effectiveness of the aircraft
- Said the source agency.

According to him, "the leadership of the Air and Space Forces (VKS) of Russia highly appreciates the combat work of the Su-34 in Syria, and the experience of the combat use of the aircraft makes it possible to optimize the direction of its improvement."

It is expected that the Su-34 should replace the Su-24 planes operated by the VKS almost in full. In the past few years, the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant has been supplying Sukhoi 16 airplanes with 18-34 per annum. In 2017, VCS will get 16 Su-34
- Said the source agency.

The Su-34 front bomber, developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau and serially produced at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (part of the Sukhoi company), is designed to destroy both ground and water objects of the enemy; it can hit moving targets of even small size. Also, the aircraft has the ability to destroy air targets at any time of the day or night under any meteorological conditions, reports "Interfax-AVN"
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 December 2017 19: 19 New
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    Good news, but this one, from the EXCELLENT category:
    Now, several authoritative sources have stated at once that the first flight of the Su-57 with new engine. There is no official information on this subject. According to reports, the plane took off on the morning of December 5th. New engines are installed on the prototype T-50-2 (tail number 052)
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 5 December 2017 19: 26 New
      +9
      Well, as they say In a good way! And God grant that everything goes perfectly! hi good
    2. activator
      activator 5 December 2017 19: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      The good news, like this one, is EXCELLENT:

      Well, the news about the modernization of Su 34 can be considered as confirmation of the words of the warriors wow that in Syria, su 34 did not live up to their expectations, all because of the same electronics
      1. hrych
        hrych 5 December 2017 19: 54 New
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        Quote: activator
        Well, the news about the modernization of Su 34 can be considered as confirmation of the words of warriors wow,

        Warrior Wow pilot Su-34? wassat
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 6 December 2017 00: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: hrych
          Warrior Wow pilot Su-34?

          There you go, grandmother and Hel Haavir ... Holy-holy ... wassat
      2. Chertt
        Chertt 5 December 2017 20: 01 New
        10
        Quote: activator
        that in Syria, su 34 did not live up to their expectations, all because of the same electronics

        There is normal planned work to improve the new aircraft, taking into account the combat experience. Although I was alarmed that having a sufficient number of Su-34s, the main work, all the same, did the Su-24
        1. activator
          activator 5 December 2017 20: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Chertt
          There is normal planned work to improve the new aircraft, taking into account combat experience

          Tell me, what is the shed at the landfill that you need to get from a height of 7-8 km, because below 6 you can already run into the MANPADS, is it different from the shed in Syria? and if you hit a training ground, but not in Syria, then questions arise. SU 34 is a bomber. Its main task is to lay bombs at a target, and it would be possible to tolerate bombs if he could cope with his duties and by the way how could one check the Papuans reb.
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 5 December 2017 21: 01 New
            15
            Quote: activator
            to me than a shed at a training ground, different from a shed in Syria

            It’s even useless to explain, These are not comparable categories.
            Quote: activator
            and by the way, how could a reb on the Papuans be checked.

            In addition to the Papuans, there were the US Air Force and other NATO countries, the Air Force and ground services of Israel, Jordan, Zalivnikov, separately Turkey. You won’t find such a successful training ground.
            1. activator
              activator 5 December 2017 21: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: Chertt
              It’s even useless to explain, These are not comparable categories.

              Are you serious or joking? because I don’t even know how to regard your words. That is, you agree that the tests were carried out on the basis of ... for show's sake.
              Quote: Chertt
              In addition to the Papuans, there were the US Air Force and other NATO countries,

              Well, they were present, but they didn’t counteract it, and then how did they manage to cope with all this, Su 24, as I understand it, everything is fine with reb wink .
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 5 December 2017 22: 49 New
                +5
                Su-24 differs from Su-34 in that:
                1. Can fly at low altitude with enveloping terrain.
                2. Uses more types of ammunition. Over 30. The problem is that everyone needs their own sight. Agree that NAR, AB, AP, missiles for various purposes need different sights.
                It took a lot of time to “teach” the Su-24. Therefore, we will hear a lot about the modernization of the Su-34. He still needs a lot of attention and time to be given to designers and engineers. He’s completely “green”. hi
                1. activator
                  activator 5 December 2017 23: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Therefore, we will hear a lot about the modernization of the Su-34. He still needs a lot of attention and time to be given to designers and engineers. He’s completely “green”.

                  Yes, I actually don’t deny it, but I think that in Syria they stopped using Su 34 not because of the systems of electronic warfare. By and large it was not particularly demanded and could leave some for the combat mission, and some for modernization. that the main reason was different, and expressed his thoughts in the first post. hi
                2. okko077
                  okko077 6 December 2017 11: 18 New
                  +2
                  Su-24M differs from Su-34 as a Cossack from a Mercedes.
                  The Su-24M has an extremely small combat radius, and even in small Syria it is forced to fly with hanging tanks, which significantly reduces the combat load.
                  The Su-24M has extremely low-cost engines, very high time and cost expenses for preparing for a second flight, very outdated equipment, to put it mildly, and low reliability at the lowest acceptable level .... Very high labor costs for 1 hour of flight and increased requirements to airfield equipment and support .... In short, an archaic, outdated 2 + generation aircraft. It is used for hopelessness, because there are no others or not enough, and only thanks to SVP-24., Which survived and extended the life of the SU-24M, contrary to military leadership and by a lucky chance ....
                  The ability to fly at low altitude is short-term and only to overcome the air defense zone and only in manual mode ... Yes, and this mode is constantly prohibited and has a lot of restrictions, especially now when the complexes are on the extreme line of wear and you can’t talk about high-quality work in automatic mode ....
                  When were the Su-34 avionics designed? Here! .. Obviously, SVP-24 with simple ammunition works better than the new complex on the 34th .... This is the reason for the timid, shy attempts to quietly fix something ....
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 6 December 2017 11: 42 New
                    +1
                    Phrase increase combat effectiveness in the title means that they are trying to ensure normal operation ... Sukhoi is ashamed to ask CJSC "Heffest" to install something like SVP-34 on Su-34 .... At least for those already released ... Or rather they feel sorry for their money that the budget allocates to them .... Here military leaders could put their word. But their amoeba, unscrupulousness and cowardice are simply amazing .....
                    1. okko077
                      okko077 6 December 2017 11: 54 New
                      +3
                      The Americans have something to learn .... You can take the methodology in the name of the aircraft modifications, For example, name the previously issued Su-34s with an outdated complex - Su-34 block 1, Make a modification with the complex from Hephaestus CJSC and call Block2. A new option from the company Sukhoi is to name block 3. Make comparative tests of block 2 with block 3 and, based on these tests and the cost, make decisions on finalizing the already issued Su-34s and on a set of new ones that are just being produced ... And in parallel, develop block 4 ... ..
                      1. activator
                        activator 6 December 2017 16: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: okko077
                        okko077

                        Thanks, informative. hi
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 5 December 2017 21: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: activator
            and with reb it would be possible to tolerate ... ... and by the way, how could it be on Papuans?

            Why endure if you can upgrade everything in parallel? It does not interfere.
            And why did you decide that the electronic warfare was tested on the Papuans, and not in other flight tests?
            1. activator
              activator 5 December 2017 21: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              And why did you decide that the electronic warfare was tested on the Papuans, and not in other flight tests?

              Yes, actually from the article
              According to him, "the leadership of the Air and Space Forces (VKS) of Russia highly appreciates the combat work of the Su-34 in Syria, and the experience of the combat use of the aircraft makes it possible to optimize the direction of its improvement."
              in particular, electronic warfare (EW) means. "
              As far as I know, in Syria there was no active counteraction to either air defense or fighter aviation. So I also had a question on whom there should be tested.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 5 December 2017 21: 41 New
                +2
                Quote: activator
                So I also had a question on whom there to experience reb.

                And besides the barmaley themselves, there is the so-called Western coalition led by mattresses. And our aviation often intersects with them. In addition, there are all sorts of Turks and Jews around Syria. Why not blur the “eyes” of their radars. No wonder the Yankees were already whining that our planes could not see their sights.
                1. activator
                  activator 5 December 2017 21: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  And our aviation often intersects with them

                  But there were no clashes.
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  No wonder the Yankees were already whining that our planes did not see their sights.

                  That is, everything is fine but it is urgent to upgrade. And sou 24 somehow cope.
              2. AshiSolo
                AshiSolo 5 December 2017 22: 53 New
                +3
                Firstly, stop writing "reb", I beg you, the PPC hurts the eye. Secondly, your very question about why modernize electronic warfare systems in the absence of such threats in Syria is already an indicator. And the same experts pancake answer you ...

                The whole point is that you can keep the plane (tank, infantry fighting vehicle, armored personnel carrier, armored personnel carrier, pepelats) in the mode of military or factory tests, constantly improving. But the customer, he is the army, asks for something that flies, bombs and beats off in the air right now. Because the choice is small. Either a gravitsap with bombs and the possibility to modify it later, or throw grenades from the Po-2 cockpit.

                Our sworn, by the way, do exactly the same. Shoals are darkness, but planes fly and upgrade.

                Well, I would not begin to knit modernization with Syria. Only indirectly. They set the task for the pilots to see how the electronic warfare systems work, they had time and sorties - they made conclusions. Something needs to be changed, and so were the plans - that’s modernization. The rest is so ... Empty info.
          3. poquello
            poquello 5 December 2017 21: 55 New
            +4
            in the ass aces from the "international" "coalition"
          4. 11 black
            11 black 5 December 2017 23: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: activator
            Tell me what the shed at the training ground to which you need to get from a height of 7-8 km

            Firstly, the height is incorrect.
            Secondly - work "on target" and "on target" are two psychological differences.
            Quote: activator
            and if you hit the training ground, but not in Syria, then questions arise

            And why did you get that in "Syria is not." Show me where the Su-34 totally missed — I haven’t heard that. Therefore - no questions arise.
            Quote: activator
            SU 34 is a bomber, its main task is to put bombs in a target

            This is not so - the Su-34 can also lay missiles at the target, and give air combat if necessary, and who needs to close their eyes with electronic warfare systems — a unique machine that immediately replaces 2 American aircraft alone (the Growler and the usual F / A-18).
            Case study - Georgia. One single Su-34 blinded the Georgian radar, and then gouged the adversary.
        2. Moore
          Moore 6 December 2017 04: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Chertt
          Although I was alarmed that having a sufficient number of Su-34s, the main work, all the same, did the Su-24

          As people from there say, the Su-34 is an excellent machine, naturally, with its own “but”, which consists in the time of preparation for departure and after-flight service. In this, he is no different from foreign pepelats of the same generation and complexity.
      3. hrych
        hrych 5 December 2017 20: 09 New
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        Let the warrior better decide with the F-35, here you need to do something, or else he’s strangling the pilots, then the Siberian Cranes are crippling, then he’s falling apart wassat He is not invisible, but some kind of poltergeist wassat
        http://3mv.ru/101217-sluchay-k-vostoku-ot-okinavy
        -amerikanskiy-f-35-nachal-rassypatsya-v-polete.ht
        ml
        1. poquello
          poquello 5 December 2017 21: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: hrych
          Let the warrior better decide with the F-35, here you need to do something, or else he’s strangling the pilots, then the Siberian Cranes are crippling, then he’s falling apart wassat He is not invisible, but some kind of poltergeist wassat
          http://3mv.ru/101217-sluchay-k-vostoku-ot-okinavy
          -amerikanskiy-f-35-nachal-rassypatsya-v-polete.ht
          ml

          this is a reset of a false goal
      4. PalBor
        PalBor 5 December 2017 21: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: activator
        Quote: svp67
        The good news, like this one, is EXCELLENT:

        Well, the news about the modernization of Su 34 can be considered as confirmation of the words of the warriors wow that in Syria, su 34 did not live up to their expectations, all because of the same electronics

        There is simply no limit to perfection. yes
      5. Fitter65
        Fitter65 6 December 2017 01: 24 New
        0
        And we, on a couple of boards, also failed this week, the frosts turned out to be very large for them, they froze. The rest are really no problem, in general, there is a natural process of mastering the technology.
    3. hrych
      hrych 5 December 2017 20: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      The good news

      The landfill is always small, real weapons are needed to test weapons. Some unleash wars specifically for this. laughing By the way, the Su-57 will be inferior in speed only to the MiG-31, as well as in the practical ceiling, and some irresponsible bloggers say they decided to try to catch up with our walker good
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 December 2017 20: 12 New
        +1
        This aircraft will have a great prospect in the arms market, and as part of the Russian Air Force, it will be a curiosity - piece by piece, in view of the high cost, the sixth generation is already waiting for the Ministry of Defense.
        1. NN52
          NN52 5 December 2017 20: 25 New
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          Vadim237

          Well, there are no words for your comment, you better keep silent ....
          For such a price in the global arms market, he has prospects? What are you smoking there?
          57 will only be with us, like amers 22.
          You probably already see the 10th generation in your head >> ..
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 5 December 2017 21: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: NN52
            57 will only be with us, like amers 22.

            That's right ... although maybe the Indians will still reconsider their decision on the SU-57 twin for their Air Force, who knows. But single, I think it will not go for export, for the same reason that the F-22 did not even sell mattresses to its allies.
            At the same time, for the next 10 years, the main heavy MFI will be SU-35, which is also being improved.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 26 New
              +2
              Wait four years and the Su 57 will be on the global arms market - as opposed to the F 35.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 December 2017 22: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: Vadim237
                Wait four years and the Su 57 will be on the global arms market - as opposed to the F 35.

                There will be no export SU-57 ... there will be the 30th, and the 35th crackers and MIG-35.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 34 New
              +2
              Moscow Region understands that it’s been late with the creation of the fifth generation for 20 years, the USA is now developing the sixth generation and Russia will have to fend off so as not to be constantly catching up. It is expected that by 2030 the sixth generation will rise into the air.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 December 2017 22: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: Vadim237
                It is expected that by 2030 the sixth generation will rise into the air.

                Do you generally understand the requirements not only for the 6th generation fighters, but in general the concept of the new generation aircraft in principle?
                Next-generation fighters should be in almost all respects better than the previous aircraft. If you do not take into account the very concept and requirements for fighters of the 6th generation, which simply do not exist yet, answer me a question - can you imagine today what kind of car it would be better than both the Raptor and our SU-57?
                All that is claimed is just plans, desires and some kind of attempt to work out some kind of intelligible concept for 6th generation fighters and nothing more.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 5 December 2017 23: 14 New
                  +2
                  Declare, but others do: low radar visibility, the ability to use weapons in all weather conditions day and night, develop hypersonic speeds of up to 7 Machs on afterburner, propulsion system ramjet + rocket engine, flight altitude of up to 60 kilometers, a prototype of such a combined engine was tested at the stand in 2016, to use weapons against ground, surface, air and low-orbit targets, control in a pilot and unmanned version - This is the sixth generation.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 December 2017 23: 22 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    low radar signature, the ability to use weapons in all weather conditions day and night

                    This 5th generation can .. and even the 4th ..

                    Quote: Vadim237
                    develop hypersonic speed up to 7 Machs on the afterburner, propulsion system ramjet + LRE, flight altitude up to 60 kilometers,

                    We are not that aircraft in the form of a fighter are not capable of giving birth to such performance characteristics now, we are the RCC Zircon with much more modest characteristics which year we bring ...
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    This is the sixth generation.

                    I can draw such a concept here ... here I’ll add one more thing to your writings - the aircraft should be either two-medium or three-medium. Does that sound beautiful? And in the metal it will appear only after a hundred, or even 150 ...
                    All that you wrote is fantasy mixed up with Wishlist. And by the 30th year, this will not happen.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 5 December 2017 23: 35 New
                      +2
                      You will not have it, but we will have it - because: we count, design, build, test, and I will continue to supply components of varying complexity to order for any machine-building industry.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 5 December 2017 23: 40 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        You will not have it, but we will have it - because: we count, design, build, test, and I will continue to supply components of varying complexity to order for any machine-building industry.

                        Yes, and God grant you health. Who is against it?
                      2. sogdy
                        sogdy 6 December 2017 08: 02 New
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        and we will have

                        Quote: Vadim237
                        and I will continue to supply components of varying complexity to order

                        Quote: Vadim237
                        propulsion system ramjet + rocket engine, flight altitude up to 60 kilometers,

                        Perhaps you should first learn a school physics course. 1938 - the plane (!) Reached an altitude of 160 km as part of the Strela project. Estimate the parameters on the fingers. He took off, rose, spent at a given height for 28 minutes and landed on his own.
                        Now tell us, what tasks should such an aircraft perform?
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 24 New
            +2
            Its main path is the export of weapons and Sukhoi will push it there - with all its might, and the sixth generation in Russia has been under development for the fourth year.
            1. NN52
              NN52 5 December 2017 22: 31 New
              +9
              Vadim237

              The working counterbalance is now f 35, this is Su 35 C (NOTE PZHL INDEX).
              Four years later, Su 35 with ROFAR will be exported .... and this is not my brov, but knowledge ....
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 5 December 2017 22: 48 New
                +5
                Quote: NN52
                The working counterbalance is now f 35, this is Su 35 C (NOTE PZHL INDEX).

                This is not entirely correct ... The SU-35 is a twin-engine heavy IFI, and its main task is to establish dominance in the air, and the F-35 is more of a bomber than a fighter, and single-engine from the category of medium fighters. The F-35 vis-a-vis should be a MIG-35 in good terms, or an average 5th generation fighter from Mikoyan.
                Quote: NN52
                Four years later, Su 35 with ROFAR will be exported .... and this is not my brov, but knowledge ....

                Not only ROFAR, but also the arsenal ... the long arm in the person of KS-172 will be adopted, possibly even with a redesigned guidance head ...
                1. NN52
                  NN52 5 December 2017 23: 01 New
                  +9
                  NEXUS

                  In something, I agree with you ... Su 35 C should be compared with F 22.
                  But then with what to compare at the moment f 35? we have nothing easy with one engine yet ...
                  And why is it sure that ROFAR cars will go for export? Well, let the sight see 500 km, and missiles? RVV database how much can be suspended on the Su 35, Mig 35?
                  One?
                  And on MiG 31 more ...
                  Do you catch my thought?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 5 December 2017 23: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: NN52
                    But then with what to compare at the moment f 35?

                    After all, I wrote either with MIG-35 (which is not yet in the series), or with a 5-generation fighter from Mikoyanovtsy (which also is not there, but I really want it to be) ... by the way, according to the latter, there was a statement by representatives of the MIG Design Bureau that they develop such a machine on an initiative basis. At what stage this development is now known only to God.
                    Quote: NN52
                    And why is it sure that ROFAR cars will go for export?

                    Not to say that export versions will be with ROFAR ... rather with AFAR.
                    Quote: NN52
                    RVV database how much can be suspended on the Su 35, Mig 35?
                    One?

                    With a mass of 750 kg, I think more than one or even two ...
                    Quote: NN52
                    And on MiG 31 more ...

                    MIG-31? I don’t think that this missile will be put on the 31st ... it is being developed for the SU-30, SU-35 and PAK FA ...
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 5 December 2017 23: 26 New
                      +8
                      NEXUS

                      They are already on BM .... and there were launches, and were made for him ... in the sense of 31 ...
                      Now it’s scratching turnips, how to hang just one thing under 35 and how it will look on it ...
                      I don’t know about 57 ...
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 5 December 2017 23: 32 New
                        +3
                        Quote: NN52
                        I don’t know about 57 ...

                        I also have some doubts about the SU-57 with the KS-172 ... Somewhere I came across infa that the developers altogether refused external suspension on it, relying on 8 or 10 missiles located in the internal compartment, planning to bring the number of shoved missiles up to 12 pieces ... here is such infa ... wait and see ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 50 New
                +1
                Something Su 35 is not very popular among other states, at arms exhibitions - they are all waiting for a new one.
            2. activator
              activator 5 December 2017 22: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Its main path is the export of weapons and Sukhoi will push it there - with all its might, and the sixth generation in Russia has been under development for the fourth year.

              I'll remember. yes
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 5 December 2017 20: 18 New
        +9
        Hello my friend ! hi drinks Great news on the Su-34, and especially on the Su-57! good And let the spiteful critics continue to praise mattresses flying. wassat
        1. hrych
          hrych 5 December 2017 20: 27 New
          +1
          Hello White Brother !!! drinks
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          spiteful letters continue to praise mattresses letaki

          With these invisibles, as with Andersen’s fairy tale “The New King’s Dress”. Fraudsters (Lockheed and Martin) convinced that the new dress was made of such a thin fabric that it would be practically invisible to fools. We are fools here and say that the king is naked !!! wassat
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 5 December 2017 20: 37 New
            +3
            Let them convince those who buy these prodigies with their tales. But why should we lie to ourselves? lol
          2. Going
            Going 5 December 2017 20: 38 New
            +6
            Only work up to a sweat can bring results, and drying is hard workers and they demonstrate progress, as if all-crawlers did not cry. Good evening honest people! hi
            1. hrych
              hrych 5 December 2017 21: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Going
              Good evening honest people!

              hi
      3. Viktorfi
        Viktorfi 5 December 2017 20: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: hrych
        The landfill is always small, real weapons are needed to test weapons


        And why the fighting in this case?
        It’s one thing if the enemy is in the air, if electronic warfare is used, avoiding the enemy’s air defense systems and so on.

        And here, no special skill is required that differs from the training ground ....
        1. hrych
          hrych 5 December 2017 21: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Viktorfi
          And here, no special skill is required that differs from the training ground ...

          Back to the ground. Does it make a difference to shoot a paper target and a living person? Secondly, the target in Syria, escapes, hides, disguises itself. This landfill is remote from the homeland, has its own climatic and relief features. By the way, the enemy has means of destruction, the same helicopter pilots practice shaving flight. There is a working out of interaction with allies, ground units (real, combat), etc. There is no training ground that can not portray it.
          1. activator
            activator 5 December 2017 21: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Back to the ground. Does it make a difference to shoot a paper target and a living person? Secondly, the target in Syria, escapes, hides, disguises itself.

            We are about bonboners winked
    4. PalBor
      PalBor 5 December 2017 21: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Good news, but this one, from the EXCELLENT category:
      Now, several authoritative sources have stated at once that the first flight of the Su-57 with new engine. There is no official information on this subject. According to reports, the plane took off on the morning of December 5th. New engines are installed on the prototype T-50-2 (tail number 052)

      Yes, TASS just reported. The flight lasted 17 minutes, passed normally.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 5 December 2017 21: 57 New
        +1
        the first flight of the Su-57 with a new engine
        Even in the joys of the strong Massandra sherry, I took a sip in moderation: I was waiting for this event. In fact, we made a 5th generation conquest fighter, almost, i.e. when the second engine is screwed.
    5. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 22: 01 New
      +4
      "On December 5, 2017, the latest Russian fifth-generation T-50 fighter with a 2nd stage engine made its first flight at the Gromov Flight Research Institute named after M. Gromov. The flight duration was 17 minutes. The flight was carried out in accordance with the conditions of the flight mission," they said in the press service.

      The flight was performed by the Hero of Russia, the chief pilot of Sukhoi Company PJSC Sergey Bogdan.
    6. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 6 December 2017 00: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Su-57 with a new engine.

      Yes, Russia24 reported a flight with a Stage 2 engine.
    7. opus
      opus 6 December 2017 00: 06 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      New engines installed on the prototype T-50-2 (tail number 052)

      what
      T-50-2 052 The second flight prototype.

      November 2011, XNUMX
      This is before the T-50-6, when they were eliminated (well, or tried to be eliminated), the problems associated with the strength of the fuselage.

      at the request of the T-50 developers, the former commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force, Mikhailov, has repeatedly reduced technical requirements for the maximum speed of a fighter. First, from 2500 km / h to 2300 km / h, then to 2100 km / h.

      Put on it a turbomachine with a weight on 20-25% more ..... suicide
      look



      Is the board number XXUMX repainted (and reinforced essno) ... or?
      Or did the magazines screw up?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 December 2017 01: 05 New
        +1
        Something is not believed - how they could make and send gliders that do not withstand the specified loads.
        1. opus
          opus 6 December 2017 02: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          I don’t believe it - how could they make and send gliders into flight,

          what is it about?
          T-50-2 052 manufactured by KHK. I only do this:
          Quote: svp67
          According to available data, the plane took off in the morning of December 5. New engines installed on the prototype T-50-2 (tail number 052)

          expressed doubt.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 December 2017 19: 28 New
    +4
    The usual expansion of the use of the nomenclature of both weapons and special equipment. It seems there is nothing fantastic in this news, but still nice!
  3. Simon
    Simon 5 December 2017 19: 58 New
    +3
    I think that this is very good! The new, modern weapons of the SU-34 will destroy the external enemies of Russia and our allies good
  4. Simon
    Simon 5 December 2017 20: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: activator
    Quote: svp67
    The good news, like this one, is EXCELLENT:

    Well, the news about the modernization of Su 34 can be considered as confirmation of the words of the warriors wow that in Syria, su 34 did not live up to their expectations, all because of the same electronics

    Everything is checked in combat conditions, and then it is modernized or created, something new and perfect! yes
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 December 2017 20: 28 New
    +1
    There is good news about EW tools. There is still no replacement for Sud-24PP! And even there are no rumors for some reason
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 6 December 2017 02: 11 New
      +3
      You would think that there is a Su-24PP. If with ground and helicopter electronic warfare all more or less, then with airplanes is almost complete omega. Offhand - besides a pair of piece IL-22PP and ancient AN-12PP, is there anything left? So the EW aircraft based on the Su-34 or Su-30 was needed the day before yesterday.
  6. shura7782
    shura7782 5 December 2017 20: 54 New
    +7
    The Su-34 bomber is increased combat effectiveness - this is the "news" of the exploding bomb.
    For those who are not in the subject. This will be done continuously as long as they fly. Our old man Su-24M is the father of Su-34 and he is improving. That’s all - aviation everyday life.
  7. Stabilization
    Stabilization 5 December 2017 21: 32 New
    +1
    The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, known as the T-50, made its first flight with a new engine, the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade said.

    “December 5, 2017 at the LII them. Gromov’s first flight was made by the newest fifth-generation Russian fighter T-50 with a second-stage engine, ”the Industry and Trade Ministry quoted Interfax as saying.

    It is known that the flight lasted 17 minutes, and went in normal mode in accordance with the conditions of the flight mission. At the helm of the Su-57 was Hero of Russia, chief pilot of Sukhoi Company PJSC Sergey Bogdan.
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  9. newcomer
    newcomer 5 December 2017 22: 23 New
    +2
    Colleagues, we were suspended from OI18. sorry not the topic. but there is no strength to restrain.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 36 New
      +3
      This is not a tragedy yet, a tragedy in another - again, we see nothing to answer with.
      1. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo 5 December 2017 22: 59 New
        +1
        We have Gauges and Drying flew on a new engine. I somehow survive without this pathos OI survive. That's why they are games. And through and through politicized. But it’s not toy “New Year's gifts” at all - it somehow warms.
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 5 December 2017 23: 04 New
        +2
        Not that they were completely removed. But the situation is humiliating: for athletes, for fans, for leadership, for the people, for me personally.
        In any case, the performance of the national team under a neutral flag does not matter to me. The second will be the Olympiad, to which I will not show interest. The first was in the summer of 1984.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 13 New
          +2
          our hockey players have already sent a white rag. and the legionnaires will not be released.
    2. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 22: 44 New
      +4
      It's time for Thomas Bach to order a Bach Requiem .....
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 December 2017 22: 53 New
        +4
        Moreover, our Olympus. committee fined 15ml. dollars vehemently suspended for life from games. there will be a selection of applicants for games under the white flag.
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 00 New
          +5
          Garik! This is a polar fox! Lowered the country below the baseboard .....
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 04 New
            +4
            there is one! the mood is the same as you wrote ... in general, rekindle everyone vigorously and shake the min.sport. something evil, mine.
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 13 New
              +4
              The 2018 Olympics in February, the elections in March, where the creatures mark ...
              1. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 16 New
                +4
                It’s necessary for Eun to offer the Hvason-15 volley with the smoke of the Russian tricolor ....
              2. newcomer
                newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 17 New
                +3
                there are questions about the World Cup 18 in football. there is an opinion to suspend the hostess, but hold the championship with us: let the Russians serve our teams. ” just right to hold a tank biathlon at the FIFA building.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 December 2017 23: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: newbie
                  there is an opinion to suspend the hostess, but to hold the championship with us: let the Russians serve our teams “

                  Who is so smart?
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 6 December 2017 00: 13 New
                    +2
                    a certain Joseph de Pigne, head of national anti-doping agencies.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 December 2017 00: 17 New
                      +6
                      That's because ... Even there are no words ... We must call the battle of psychics, let the whole company spoil it. CSKA won two goals just now. Upset, probably.
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                      2. newcomer
                        newcomer 6 December 2017 00: 25 New
                        +2
                        You know, Vladimir, I’m not surprised at anything. but with football, too, they’ll do their own thing. 34 of our football players are already under suspicion. the question is, how much will we endure then when will we beat the adversary in the face? tired of swallowing bloody snot.
                    2. Solomon Kane
                      Solomon Kane 6 December 2017 00: 20 New
                      +4
                      Gianni Infantino sent WADA to the anus .. good [B] [/ b]
                      A message has just arrived from the press service of FIFA !!!!! 1
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 6 December 2017 00: 34 New
                        +2
                        well done, man. It is significant how the Olympic Committee of Bulgaria stood up for the Russian Federation_ in expressions did not hesitate. I recommend, on polit. review.
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 December 2017 00: 38 New
                      +4
                      Quote: newbie
                      the question is, how much will we endure then when will we beat the adversary in the face? tired of swallowing bloody snot.

                      And don’t say, all this is sick and tired of it. Well, army men have purged, I’ll go to sleep. hi
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 6 December 2017 00: 39 New
                        +3
                        sorry, I’ve been their fan since childhood.
            2. AshiSolo
              AshiSolo 5 December 2017 23: 15 New
              +3
              Yes ... your Zhukov with your apologies ... to put it mildly depressing. It is necessary to send and not give money with such a story, and not to apologize.

              Well, the flag, I think, we will pull out, do not worry. Although I would like for yourself ...
              1. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 18 New
                +4
                Your Zhukov with your apologies ... to put it mildly depressing.

                and who does not oppress there ...? Therefore, this is the attitude, if the bureaucrats of the sovereign chew snot .....
                1. AshiSolo
                  AshiSolo 5 December 2017 23: 28 New
                  +2
                  Yes, it's a shame to stupid just. And nothing can be done. Walking like heaps will not help. Apologies, as I understand it, did not come from the air, but as directed. For what, I don’t understand. Habit? Belief in real sport?
                  Well there is no OI and no. But these apologies ... Straight after the heart is such humiliation. Only recently, the kid repented, now a bit higher. Something the darkest confuses ...
          2. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 5 December 2017 23: 24 New
            +2
            So it's time to get the ice axes.
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 32 New
              +5
              It is necessary to close the situation in Ukraine on Kui, take Libya into circulation, return to the topic with Cuba, North Korea to support Iskanders, etc. etc.
              Coolies pull a cat for a causal place - with sheep, the question must be solved by the wolf ....
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 54 New
                +2
                It was high time. because the decision of the IOC is quite expected. it’s time to do our business without regard to Western praise. I recall the reaction of IV Stalin to the publication of Churchill's article, where he praises Stalin.
    3. Giants
      Giants 5 December 2017 23: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      colleagues, we were suspended from OI18

      No. We all spit in the face and we ... whether on the head. Meanwhile, the Head of the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC), Alexander Zhukov, apologized to the executive committee of the International Olympic Committee. This was told by IOC President Thomas Bach at a press conference. So we were humiliated under EBN and so we were humiliated under Putin. That's a coincidence? I don’t think so. On the scales, the honor of the country and the reputation of MUDKA. But Vladimir Vladimirovich does not give up.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 23 New
        +5
        and you expected from these bureaucrats a battle for the honor of the country? it's funny. they are all potential Radchenkovs. the cadres decide everything, but we have the cadres, it’s time to shake this swamp.
        1. Giants
          Giants 5 December 2017 23: 45 New
          +3
          I apologized to my foreign patrons! But no one wants to apologize to Russian citizens and Russian athletes ?! When will this fucking shame end ?!
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 52 New
            +4
            Today is the 76th Anniversary of the defeat of the Germans near Moscow ...
            Bach avenged ....
          2. newcomer
            newcomer 5 December 2017 23: 57 New
            +2
            here I am about the same. in these places it is necessary to put people who will bite the teeth of the country with their teeth.
      2. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 5 December 2017 23: 23 New
        +7
        In this context, A. Barto’s poem is relevant. The poem is 60 years old ....
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  11. SpaceCom
    SpaceCom 6 December 2017 07: 09 New
    0

    Or did the magazines screw up?

    Enjoyed it - it goes without saying! https://ria.ru/arms/20171205/1510284345.html?refe
    rrer_block = index_main_5
    In one article, call the plane a fighter and PAK YES at subsonic speed ... You have to try hard! wassat
  12. vadimtt
    vadimtt 6 December 2017 09: 14 New
    +1
    sogdy,
    This is from some parallel universe, because in this universe the airplane from the Strela project has a maximum speed of 310 km / h and a practical ceiling of 1500 m.