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Russian Foreign Ministry: NATO is preparing a base for an offensive group in Europe

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The North Atlantic Alliance deployed about ten thousand military and hundreds of military equipment in the Baltic countries and Eastern and Northern Europe. aviation, said Director of the Department of Pan-European Cooperation of the Russian Foreign Ministry Andrei Kelin.


Today, NATO is actually forming a base in Europe for the deployment, if necessary, of an offensive group
- Kelin said in an interview with Interfax.

Russian Foreign Ministry: NATO is preparing a base for an offensive group in Europe


On the so-called "continuous rotational" basis, the contingents of the bloc countries are placed where they have never been before. In total, we are talking about about ten thousand troops with hundreds of pieces of military equipment and aircraft in the Baltic States, Eastern and Northern Europe
- stressed the high-ranking diplomat.

The Russian Foreign Ministry explained that this goes against the obligations set forth in the Russia-NATO Founding Act.

At the same time, the alliance’s naval and air activities are expanding near our borders. The intensity and scope of operational and combat training activities according to anti-Russian scenarios is growing. The existing and construction of a new military infrastructure is being modernized.
- he said.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 4 December 2017 11: 19 New
    +4
    Something must unite them ... here they are united by a common enemy in our person, so it is clear to everyone that NATO is an archaism and office for repacking euro money to Americans
    1. Finches
      Finches 4 December 2017 11: 31 New
      +8
      Moreover, they didn’t even think of anything much — they extracted Barbaross’s plan from the archives, blew off the dust, painted the name with ink for fools, haven’t come up with their own yet, but they licked the entire filling to the point ...
      1. Burbon
        Burbon 4 December 2017 11: 43 New
        +1
        The Russian Foreign Ministry is engaged in propaganda ..... what is NATO going to attack ????? fool Are they tired of living ?? .... there will be no winners and even around the corner everything will blow away ....
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 4 December 2017 12: 11 New
          +2
          Burbon
          (((I apologize .no ... At the word bourbon I immediately recall - “Bourbon” .- the nickname of the GRU major general of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, traitor Polekova, who worked 25 years at the CIA on November 27, 1987, was sentenced by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR to The verdict was executed on March 15, 1988)))
          Concerning - what grouping is created?
          When defending, there should be a security zone. But here everything is in states adjacent to Russia.
          The goal is clear - to stake out their presence in these countries and impose on them the supply of weapons and military equipment of the US military-industrial complex - the idea of ​​Trump fix)
          On the other hand, the orientation of combat training of troops and operational training of the headquarters of the NATO bloc. its individual countries according to national plans and the US Armed Forces can testify to what the troops are preparing, look.
          Increased intelligence activity along the entire perimeter of Russia's borders (air and sea reconnaissance with a focus on the southern flank
          Theater equipment - In November 2017, at a meeting of NATO defense ministers, at which the heads of the alliance's military departments decided to proceed with the creation of two new headquarters. They intend to build one to ensure the safety of the sea lanes between the USA and Europe in the North Atlantic, and the second to coordinate the transfer of forces and means to Europe ....
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 4 December 2017 12: 53 New
            0
            Quote: To be or not to be
            At the word bourbon, I immediately recall “Bourbon.” - the nickname of Major General of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces

            you look at your nickname and then remember ..
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Increased intelligence activity along the entire perimeter of Russia's borders

            this activity was always and in the same volumes, except for the dashing 90s ... then we had no army
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Theater equipment - In November 2017, at a meeting of NATO defense ministers, at which the heads of the Alliance’s military departments decided to proceed with the creation of two new headquarters

            it would be strange if they did not decide this ... otherwise - "well, stupid !!!"
        2. RF man
          RF man 4 December 2017 15: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Burbon
          The Russian Foreign Ministry is engaged in propaganda .....

          They have such a job ... they have to talk a lot in their favor ..
          Quote: Burbon
          which nato is going to attack ?????

          So what kind of Russia is going to attack Europe? -) Everyone is intimidating than he can-)
        3. gromoboj
          gromoboj 4 December 2017 17: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Burbon
          The Russian Foreign Ministry is engaged in propaganda ..... what is NATO going to attack ????? fool Are they tired of living ?? .... there will be no winners and even around the corner everything will blow away ....


          According to their calculations, WMDs would not be involved, but they would be sure that their missile defense would cope even if applied, they would break before.
          Now they stand and wait for what will happen. in the spring. In the event of a riot, troops may be deployed "in order to establish a democratic order and the rule of law."
          Unfortunately, we have enough ready to kiss NATO troops on the gums.
      2. askort154
        askort154 4 December 2017 11: 59 New
        +1
        Zyablitsov ..... And they didn’t even think up anything special - extracted the barbaross plan from the archives, They blew away the dust, painted the name with ink for fools, until they came up with their own, but they licked the entire filling to the point ...

        Somehow you have everything simplified. Why "lick" in the 21st century? From the plans of the 19-20th centuries (Napoleon, Hitler)?. stop hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 December 2017 12: 11 New
          +3
          Given the fact that the Germans, unlike the Americans, really knew how to fight them, Barbarossa also in the 23rd century for NATO will be the pinnacle of military thought! Look at the location and estimates of the alliance’s strike units on our borders today and compare ... The tactics, based on the availability of modern weapons, have changed, but the strategy hasn’t yet! hi
          1. askort154
            askort154 4 December 2017 12: 32 New
            0
            Zyablitsov ...C given the fact that the Germans, unlike the Americans, really knew how to fight them, Barbarossa in the 23rd century for NATO will be the pinnacle of military thought!

            Now in Germany there is no army of its own, as such. The Anglo-Saxons still do not trust them. Moreover, for them the worst thing in the 21st century is the rapprochement between Russia and Germany or Japan, (Russia's resources with their technologies). Therefore, they instead of Schroeder (who went on rapprochement with the Russian Federation) put Merkel. Barbaross’s plan (Hitler-Schicklgruber) to “take the USSR in three weeks” was a clear utopia, especially for modern strategists. hi
            1. Finches
              Finches 4 December 2017 12: 34 New
              +3
              I didn’t write about today's Germans - firstly! Secondly, any plan of war against Russia is a utopia - secondly, and thirdly - the Anglo-Saxons - is the meanest nation on earth! hi
              1. askort154
                askort154 4 December 2017 13: 16 New
                +1
                Zyablitsov .... I didn’t write about today's Germans - firstly! .... and thirdly - the Anglo-Saxons - is the most vile nation on earth!

                Unanimously! good hi
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 4 December 2017 14: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                any plan of war against Russia is a utopia


                Eh .. Yes, not a utopia ... If you fall into a shobla, then ... Well, we don’t have a mobilization economy, or ... much more ...
                Another question is that the Kirdyk of Naglia and the USA (first of all) will not be a utopia ... hi
                1. Finches
                  Finches 4 December 2017 15: 35 New
                  +2
                  And what to do - you have to fight without an economy and plan - Napoleon was persecuted with a pitchfork! And it's scary when people go with a pitchfork to the tank! And you and I will go, this is our strength! hi
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 4 December 2017 18: 07 New
                    +4
                    And you are a joker, sir!
                    With a pitchfork, you do not even crawl to the tank, according to local experts. laughing
                    I would have helped you in a purely human way, but it will not be my war - the oligarchs will share the resources, I am not at work. Kaby for the homeland, but they say, in the 90s, they say, they replaced freedom. True, I didn’t get anything - they probably cheated. sad
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 4 December 2017 19: 33 New
                      +1
                      Sorry, but where do you go - go! Or punitive organs will come for you! So everything will be as it should, taking into account the historical Great Russian mess, but perhaps our strength is the same ... Like Bismarck, the Russians are strong in their unpredictability! laughing hi
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 5 December 2017 22: 12 New
                        +4
                        Will not go. I have a stamp - removed from the military register. hi drinks
      3. Petr1
        Petr1 4 December 2017 12: 57 New
        0
        Yes, it’s straightforward Barbarossa, it’s just that NATO helps Russia to guard the borders, because Volodya somehow made a reservation that Russia has no borders. laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 December 2017 13: 01 New
          +2
          I do not remember such a phrase! And here is his phrase "The border of Russia does not end anywhere!" - I perfectly understood and support! hi
        2. askort154
          askort154 4 December 2017 13: 23 New
          +2
          Peter 1..... Volodya somehow made a reservation that Russia has no borders.


          This is he in response to the "exclusivity of the nation" ..... good
          Beautifully lift-pricked! wink
      4. iouris
        iouris 4 December 2017 14: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        Barbaross’s plan extracted from archives

        If Hitler were in such positions, then, most likely, Leningrad would be taken on the second or third day.
        1. Finches
          Finches 4 December 2017 15: 36 New
          +1
          That is exactly what Boris Chubais, a historian from God and other liberals, believes! Would take ... Napoleon, the same took Moscow ....
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 4 December 2017 11: 32 New
      +7
      They are united by hatred towards us, or rather their elite, which cannot rob us, because our elite wants to do this themselves .. In general, hatred and fear .. But the systematic build-up of forces at our borders is very bad. It is evident that we will again wait until they form a fist and hit us. Or maybe we can say that with the further build-up of aircraft at our borders, we reserve the right to strike without warning with all the consequences?
      Quote: Shura Perm
      Something must unite them ... here they are united by a common enemy in our person, so it is clear to everyone that NATO is an archaism and office for repacking euro money to Americans
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 4 December 2017 11: 44 New
        +5
        Svarog
        It is evident that we will again wait until they form a fist and hit us. Or maybe we can say that with the further build-up of aircraft at our borders, we reserve the right to strike without warning with all the consequences?
        Interesting offer. For we are really dealing with the preparation of NATO countries under the leadership of the Pentagon for an armed attack on Russia. On the nose TMV with Russia!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 December 2017 12: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Tatiana
          On the nose TMV with Russia!

          The GDP clearly indicated that in the event of aggression by the European contingent of NATO against the Russian Federation, the United States would not be able to sit out in a puddle, since understanding where the legs were growing, our first blow would be on the territory of the exceptional all-over.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 4 December 2017 12: 03 New
            +4
            NEXUS
            The US will not be able to sit out in a puddle .... our first blow will be on the territory of exceptional whole head.
            Well, if we succeed! It is more pleasant for a victim to die, recognizing himself as an avenged enemy!
          2. weksha50
            weksha50 4 December 2017 14: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            The United States will not be able to sit out in a puddle, as it understands where the legs are growing, our first blow will be on the territory of the exceptional all over the head


            Nahliya - it’s also necessary to squeeze first of all ... And then he sneaks up quietly and hopes that when distributing it, they will get around ...
    3. dorz
      dorz 4 December 2017 11: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: Shura Perm
      Something must unite them ...

      The author writes about the formation of a group for attack, and not defense and association on the basis of Russophobia.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 4 December 2017 12: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: dorz

        The author writes about the formation of a group for attack, not defense and associations motivated by Russophobia.
        as well as the unification of the Collective West on the basis of the absolute robbery and destruction of the peoples of Russia
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 4 December 2017 18: 17 New
          +5
          Comrade Tatyana, although I agree a priori with you, I thought about it - what difference does it make to me who robs me - the Collective West or United Russia? "Own," it seems to me, is even more dangerous - it was they who brought the country to such risks. In the days of the CPSU, this was ruled out.
          I remember how then the "advanced" members of society laughed: if only there was no war - the slogan of suckers! And they offered freedom of speech and entrepreneurship in return. And it’s how it turned out.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 4 December 2017 11: 21 New
    +7
    Today, NATO is actually forming a base in Europe for the deployment, if necessary, of an offensive group

    All this will be dismantled and removed at the very moment when the Sarmatian and Rubezh (Vanguard) ICBMs will begin to be on duty. It is not regrettable to admit this, but the United States and all this NATO rabble understands only the language of power.
    1. penal battalion
      penal battalion 4 December 2017 11: 27 New
      14
      Never see the sun for you
      Never get up from the graves.
      How sorry for the water from the well,
      So it’s not a pity that I killed you.
      Have you come to ruin our villages?
      And level the cities with the earth?
      Have you dreamed about a march fun?
      But stay here forever.

      Those of you who are still alive
      They will curse their whole lives
      Your idols are dirty and deceitful
      Belching the order to "kill."
      You dreamed of getting to Valhalla,
      Grabbing a sword with you?
      But the enemies in Russia had enough places,
      Where you can lie with disgrace.

      Do not hope forgiveness do not wait
      For the evil that we have been given for centuries.
      And do not anger the bear in the den.
      We have something in store for you.

      Henceforth, do not poke your unwashed snout,
      If life is even a little expensive.
      We are for you THE VICTORY Banner without soap
      Insert ... again, and all short.

      Hang this adage at the entrance of NATO Headquarters ....
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2017 11: 27 New
    +7
    This is not the first time that Europe has become a springboard for an attack on Russia with forced consent, and sometimes voluntary assistance. Usually this ended badly for the attackers and joy for a liberated Europe from another dictator. Today, Europeans are directly involved in preparations for the war (and again against Russia). Everything goes to the point that in any situation, Europe will either cease to exist or will change geographically and territorially beyond recognition.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 4 December 2017 11: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Everything goes to the point that in any situation, Europe will either cease to exist or will change geographically and territorially beyond recognition.

      The United States, if it comes to open confrontation, will no longer be able to sit out overseas.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 4 December 2017 11: 42 New
        +5
        You're right. If it starts as an "adult", then it will not succeed unequivocally. What their while and holding back.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 4 December 2017 11: 46 New
          +8
          Yes, their favorite scheme of "alien war" will not work this time. And they understand this, but it seems that not everyone if they tease the Russian bear and the Chinese with the Korean dragons.
      2. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 4 December 2017 11: 46 New
        +6
        Salute to the Warriors!
        Max, they’re never striped in their life and like them, we’re not Libya, Yugoslavia, or Iraq ..... It can give you too much recognition beyond recognition ... am
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 4 December 2017 11: 52 New
          +6
          Hi Kostya! hi Some local politicians and warriors completely lost their Russophobia instinct for self-preservation. Such a place in a psychiatric hospital, not in power. negative
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 4 December 2017 12: 02 New
            +4
            A lot of meat, a little wood .. What is it? A splinter in the ass ... winked
            So is our Kaliningrad in a thick gay priest. Removing a splinter will result in amputation of the ass ....
            The foolish do not understand that they themselves have become hostages of their Russophobic ambitions.
            They lay under the striped and automatically became cannon fodder, the first candidates for evaporation ....
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 4 December 2017 12: 07 New
              +6
              Quote: Solomon Kane
              They lay under the striped and automatically became cannon fodder, the first candidates for evaporation ....

              Sacrificial rams.
        2. Vadim Zhivov
          Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 11: 52 New
          +1
          What about the Stalin Strait laughing
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 4 December 2017 11: 54 New
            +8
            Quote: VadimLives
            What about the Stalin Strait laughing

            Are you talking about this? wink
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 4 December 2017 12: 05 New
              +3
              In the course of the continent, North America is absent ....?! tongue laughing wink
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 December 2017 12: 07 New
                +6
                Yes, the Great North American Strait instead ... wassat
            2. Vadim Zhivov
              Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 12: 06 New
              +1
              And what is very beautiful and you don’t need to dig, we are small UUUU bully
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 4 December 2017 12: 09 New
                +7
                Skakuasy if they see this - they strangle themselves that their master is no more. lol
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 4 December 2017 14: 53 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Today, Europeans are directly involved in preparations for the war (and again against Russia). Everything goes to the fact that in any case, Europe will either cease to exist or change geographically and territorially beyond recognition.


      And it will be on the map - United Russia ... laughing good drinks

      PS United Russia - without jokes ... nothing to do with edrom ...
  4. private person
    private person 4 December 2017 11: 30 New
    +2
    Now, if Russia had not left its military base in Cuba. The Americans would have thought five times before taking action against Russia. And since the song sings: I live on one but you on the other on a distant shore on the other.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 11: 56 New
      0
      The song is good, but in the east of Borea and Europe shoots everything and they are not suicides am
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 4 December 2017 11: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: private person
      Now, if Russia had not left its military base in Cuba.

      Now, if BLI in childhood was choked in a wine barrel ... belay Now, if the HMS fell off the combine and fell under the header ... belay Now, if EBNu in a place with fingers demolished a head with a grenade ... belay
      laughing stop When one letter "P" with a stick becomes more attractive than the letter "S" with two sticks ... repeat When the word oligarch becomes equivalent to the word bloodsucker ... belay When... stop However, the last condition, boy, you will find out when capitalism with a bestial grin does not become in the country ... yes
      1. Asthma
        Asthma 4 December 2017 12: 14 New
        +1
        about fifteen years ago, this kind of opinion was burned out of thoughts with a knee iron. and in the vacant place, ideas about one’s own inferiority as a nation, “unwashed Russia”, about the “USSR-Evil Empire”, etc., sat down. and so on they would have gone, all these "inhabitants", "chosen ones" and "enlightened ones". If it is needed, then again we will bring down all their arrogance. not get used to
      2. starpom
        starpom 4 December 2017 12: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Esoteric
        Now, if ...

        It’s a pity that history does not accept the subjunctive mood
  5. basmach
    basmach 4 December 2017 11: 32 New
    +9
    At the beginning of the year I talked with a veteran acquaintance (they called 42 in the spring, so 41 remembers that he was an adult), he said one phrase, “everything present is very similar to the pre-war time”. The only question is that then the power was different, ready to the end for the country (and an example of this is their children who fought and died). but nobody knows how the current elite will behave. And I hear more and more often from 30-35 summer-and for whom to fight, for this riffraff. I won’t. You say, for the homeland, for the country for the family. And in response, let's dump somewhere. They have etched the concept of Homeland and People. That’s the worst thing.
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 4 December 2017 11: 41 New
      +6
      Homeland and State are different concepts ...
      Fearfully?! And, don’t be afraid, there are still people whose consciousness is not “etched out”, they couldn’t, there are people who didn’t have time ... So, if that ..... There’s not a million Russian people .... we can stand for the Motherland .. or lay our heads. hi
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 11: 59 New
        +1
        No need for warehouses bully just another hippo show laughing
      2. basmach
        basmach 4 December 2017 18: 10 New
        0
        So I'm not afraid. Yes, there are still people, my generation, who are under 50. And about- "or lay your head", remember the "28 Panfilov". Dying for the homeland is not difficult, but who will fight for it. The question, after all, is whether this millions more than one can even fight elementarily (the army is not only ordinary soldiers with machine guns in the trenches) and work with modern equipment (they have never called me to the military registration and enlistment office for 20 years, let alone fees, although an Air Force officer, and served in the regiment and with the "deaf-mute"). And also in the production area in the rear. Is this rear ready?
        And throwing hats is us forever.
    2. Asthma
      Asthma 4 December 2017 12: 20 New
      0
      Dear comrade, not everyone, thank God, not everyone thinks so ... well, if that begins, it will be the “funny” and last ten minutes of this world, such as we know. Well, if some, of course, have plans to sit out in bunkers, etc. from the field of conspiracy theory, then yes. it’s scary that some operator, dumbfounded with amphitamines, with an attack of paranoia, his hand will tremble ...
    3. shinobi
      shinobi 4 December 2017 12: 26 New
      +1
      Well, put it down, we won’t succeed, there’s simply nowhere to go. The first fled through European neutral countries. Now this is not and will not be. Like in the second war. Deserters are shot in any army. They won’t take prisoners either, the conqueror has the wrong tasks. that there’s just no choice. What is the strength of the Russian state and the mistake of all the conquerors who came to us? They left us no choice. Strength of mind, the will to win and the wonders of heroism, all the consequence of the lack of choice. Russia always gave a choice. Always to the detriment of itself So we will either win or die. And we will fight for the sake of survival. As always. Regardless of motivation and other things.
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 14: 04 New
        +1
        not a button player, but I think it’s not so easy to press it .. My father was in the mines, but he’s gone hi
  6. Vard
    Vard 4 December 2017 11: 42 New
    0
    They didn’t come up with anything ... They reeked of a mothballs stinging red threat from the chest and hung it to dry on a fence ... "The North Atlantic Alliance deployed about ten thousand military and hundreds of military equipment and aircraft in the Baltic states, Eastern and Northern Europe, the director said Department of Pan-European Cooperation of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Andrei Kelin. " This amount of military will be enough for a couple of minutes of battle ... so why these gestures, obviously to create visibility ... If there is an enemy, and this is us ... then somehow it is necessary to portray a confrontation ...
  7. tagil
    tagil 4 December 2017 11: 42 New
    +7
    Everything will be removed after our statement that the border of reasonable NATO has been crossed and Russia reserves the right now, at any time, to deliver a preemptive strike on NATO troops and countries that provided territory and troops to attack Russia. And then the fear of death at any moment of these shit will force either to retreat or commit suicide by starting a war with us earlier than they are ready for this.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 12: 02 New
      0
      But is it in Koenig that the iskanders without nuclear weapons then bring wassat
  8. Tektor
    Tektor 4 December 2017 11: 49 New
    0
    Sivkov analyzed the state and prospects of deploying a full-fledged NATO division from the Baltic side. He believes that the decision to create such a group was made several years ago with the holding of a full-scale information campaign for local Aborigines as a cover system. The issue of massive and emergency buildup of NATO forces was systematically worked out.
    We need a response tactic that can be active or passive. The second is less risky. One of its elements is a mine war with the possibility of mining zones in the depths of defense at the expense of available funds (Tornado and similar remote mining systems). Active tactics should be based on the use of high-speed unmanned robotic systems, such as Uranus-9, which should go in the front lines of the front of heavy DRONs, such as T-14 ...
  9. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 4 December 2017 11: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Svarog
    It is evident that we will again wait until they form a fist and hit us. Or maybe we can say that with the further build-up of aircraft at our borders, we reserve the right to strike without warning with all the consequences?
    Interesting offer. For we are really dealing with the preparation of NATO countries under the leadership of the Pentagon for an armed attack on Russia. On the nose TMV with Russia!

    And pushing himself into a corner .. Trump threatened to Eun, now he has only to fight or to publicly sign ... his own powerlessness and this is the end of the USA as a hegemon and a leading power. You always need to leave room for maneuver in politics .
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 12: 10 New
      0
      They always understand only the power of time. Gromyko has no agreement and no one
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 4 December 2017 12: 46 New
    +2
    He’s cooking. Which he’s preparing for his XNUMXth birthday. And what? They’ve become a little more active. They have stopped masking. Not the first time either. I’m only thinking that the Yankees thought differently about the cries of our threat. No, getting out of control is unacceptable. So, a different solution is needed. Europe is filled with migrants from Muslim countries, and when it breaks up, it’s a matter of pure time. And here, please, there are ready-made quick reaction forces at hand. which is already. No, I do not exclude the possibility of an attack on us, but it is impossible to destroy Russia with non-nuclear forces. Those forces that focus on the border may be enough for a first strike, but that’s all.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 14: 56 New
      0
      Yes, who farts on a nuclear power, let emigrants drive me, I think so, but at Tmpampam’s thoughts he doesn’t count, he’s unpredictable, but he’s gaining hi PS and not weak
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 December 2017 13: 51 New
    +1
    Well twirl so what? This is not 1941 year, here the blitzkrieg will not work.
    So either they just keep the European Armed Forces in good shape,
    or are preparing for the presidential election period.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 14: 50 New
      0
      Moreover, the elections and the troops, and then show off the same money ... hi
  12. Doliva63
    Doliva63 4 December 2017 18: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: basmach
    At the beginning of the year I talked with a veteran acquaintance (they called 42 in the spring, so 41 remembers that he was an adult), he said one phrase, “everything present is very similar to the pre-war time”. The only question is that then the power was different, ready to the end for the country (and an example of this is their children who fought and died). but nobody knows how the current elite will behave. And I hear more and more often from 30-35 summer-and for whom to fight, for this riffraff. I won’t. You say, for the homeland, for the country for the family. And in response, let's dump somewhere. They have etched the concept of Homeland and People. That’s the worst thing.

    I often communicate with 50-55-year-olds. They, former officers of the USSR and the Russian Federation, many went through Africa, the DRA, both Chechnya, have gone ahead with the current government, their consciousness has turned towards survival. The memory of the motherland is a thing of the past. One, a former combat swimmer, a participant in 4 “conflicts” (that is, far from a coward and was quite a competent “death engineer” in the interests of the Motherland), now a businessman (and where to go?) Said - I am for my real estate and cars I will not shed my blood, if I earn any new ones, all the more so. That's all. He has the concept of homeland. There is no homeland. There are financial interests without which your family will live in a garbage dump. I, too, am not a supporter of such rules; I agree with him. We all someday ourselves will stand under the gun, but then. We will not protect the cap. State.
  13. Finches
    Finches 5 December 2017 22: 58 New
    +1
    Doliva63,
    Then there are no questions! hi