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Project "ZZ". Russian people worship Putin, and Putin fears Russian people

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Opposing opinions of Western experts have come across: some believe that the Russian people “honor” Vladimir Putin, others insist that Putin himself is afraid of the Russian people, despite an incredible eighty percent public confidence rating.




Rod Dreer in edition "The American Conservative" gathered a very curious collection of judgments about Vladimir Putin, the Russian people, and also Christianity. He borrowed some opinions about Putin and the people from the American journalist Christopher Caldwell. They are presented below.

It seems that, by American standards, Putin is a “bad person,” Dreyer sneers. But look at the other side! If Putin’s behavior is understood "traditionally," as is usually interpreted by a leader who upholds the principle of protecting his borders and the prosperity of a nation, Putin "would be considered an outstanding statesman of our time." And who could now compare with him on the world stage, who could truly compete with him? Well, maybe Recep Tayyip Erdogan from Turkey, the columnist Caldwell's opinion leads.



“When Putin took power in the winter of 1999-2000, his country was defenseless,” Caldwell says. - She was bankrupt. New kleptocratic elites sucked out of it, conspired with their old imperial rivals - the Americans. Putin has changed this. In the first decade of this century, he did what Kemal Atatürk did in Turkey in the 1920s. The ruin of the empire was stopped; he saved the nation state and gave it a vector and a goal. He curbed the plutocrats of his country. He regained her military power. And he, despite all his indigestible rhetoric, refused to accept for Russia the role that was prepared for her in the American world system developed by foreign politicians and business leaders. His voters appreciated his merit: after all, he saved his country. ”

And here is the assessment of this merit:

“Putin appeared out of nowhere. Russian people do not just tolerate him, they honor him. You can better understand why he ruled for seventeen years, if you remember that within a few years after the fall of communism, the average life expectancy in Russia fell to a level lower than that of Bangladesh. It's a shame that fell on Boris Yeltsin. ”


According to the analyst, Putin "rein in the billionaires who plundered the country", and at the same time "restored the position of Russia" at the world level. As a result, Vladimir Putin became for the Russians "a symbol of national self-determination." Populist conservatives see him as someone like Fidel Castro, that is, such a person who claims that he "will not submit" to the outside world.

While some analysts believe that the Russian people "honor" Vladimir Putin, other experts insist that Putin himself is afraid of the Russian people, despite the incredible rating of national trust of eighty percent. Paradox?

“What is Vladimir Putin afraid of? His own people "(" What Does Vladimir Putin Fear? His Own People "). Under this title in a popular magazine "Half" Marvin Kalba article was published.

Marvin Kalb - Senior Advisor to the Pulitzer Center for Crisis Coverage, Professor Emeritus in the Department. Marrow at Harvard, author of the book of memoirs “Year when I was Peter the Great. 1956: Khrushchev, the arrival of Stalin and the young American in Russia. ”

Vladimir Putin, it seems to the author, walks around the world as a sort of political Goliath, like "a mixture of Peter the Great and Joseph Stalin." Regardless of whether he is doing business in Syria or in Ukraine, the Russian president is flexing his muscles, which is why the world is “trembling with alarm”.



Now there is no doubt, the expert believes: Putin really “skillfully maneuvered”, and as a result of these maneuvers, Russia returned to the position of an authoritative state in world affairs. This happened for the first time after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, which Putin himself called the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.

Putin "spent billions of dollars on modernizing the war machine" and plunged "into the exciting but muddy world of new media technologies, turning it into a formidable weapon political war, ”believes Kalb. In addition, Putin went headlong history Russia, in religion and mythology, to strengthen its image and become stronger in power, creating associations with successful kings, such as Peter and Catherine in the XVIII century, with the Orthodox Church, which emphasizes the "traditional values" of faith and patriotism, with conservative philosophers Sergei Uvarova, whose work in the middle of the XIX century emphasized "Orthodoxy, autocracy and nationality", and even with the discredited Stalin dictatorship.

Putin, Mr. Kalb continues, wears a large cross, which his mother gave him and which, as he himself says, was blessed in the Holy Land. He speaks with reverence about the 988 year, about the time when Prince Vladimir led the Christianization of the Russian people. Sometimes he "rides with a naked torso on a Russian tundra on a horse." He knows that the Russian people admire "such a strong leader." Putin is “determined”: he is ready to be a “hero” for the Russian people.

However, Putin’s successes are obvious, and his failures are relegated to the background. Today they boil "on slow fire".

The country's economy is stagnating, suffering from a decline in oil prices and the introduction of sanctions by the West in 2014 year after "the seizure of the Crimea and the provocations that led to the uprising in the south-east of Ukraine." There are protests all over Russia, the author notes. There are also signs of deepening unrest among workers. There are cases when workers are not paid a salary of several months.

To date, the “uprising in Ukraine has stalled”: the continuation of the conflict has become too “expensive” event. The Russian participation in the Syrian civil war worried the United States and saved the regime of Bashar al-Assad, but in the future this intervention contains “the danger of a wider conflict”, possibly involving the American side. Do Russians want this?

Nevertheless, opinion polls say: Putin’s approval rating is at the 80% level. So why should Putin worry, why be afraid?

But Putin has anxiety, and it is “deep,” the expert is convinced.

Evidence of this is the creation of 5 on April 2016 of the Year by the National Guard of Russia - an internal force numbering roughly 350.000 of military personnel who serve Putin himself. The main guard - Victor Zolotov, who "for many years was Putin's personal bodyguard." If Zolotov decides to use his troops, he is not obliged to receive approval from anyone other than Putin, Kalb writes.

Why does Putin need such a powerful "praetorian guard"? He has a modernized war machine.

No matter what the polls claim, Putin “has a deep fear of his own people,” the expert answers his question.



Putin is "afraid" that one day people will "stand against him." Kalb draws a parallel with the 1917 revolution of the year, when the government was dropped in Russia.

One such uprising "looms in his [Putin's] own biography," reminds Kalb. Putin was a KGB officer in Dresden at the end of the 1980s, when “a mob of angry Germans stormed [KGB] headquarters following the fall of the Berlin Wall”. “In despair,” Putin tried to “burn official papers,” he “called to Moscow for instructions,” but “no one answered his calls.” “Shocked, he swore that this would never happen again,” says Kalb.

While in the presidency of the country, Putin saw other uprisings. He was “frightened” by the color revolution in Ukraine in 2004. At that time he could not crush her. In 2008, Georgia “exploded”, and this time Putin “used military force to suppress.” In 2014, Putin "occupied the Crimea," and soon "climbed to southeastern Ukraine."

Putin may “speak out” on the world stage, but the very creation of his personal protection gives rise to doubt “in his political longevity.” Tsar Nicholas II also had okhrana. And what happened? This okhrana defended the ruler until 1917, when the Russian people said: “Enough!”

And this “enough” - the very “only word” that Putin does not want to hear “in the near future,” Mr. Kalb says ironically.

* * *


You can believe, you can not believe Mr. Kalba. You can even discuss the topic of Mr. Kalb’s personal fear of Putin, which he deftly projected onto the entire Russian people. You can estimate at the same time how much the people of Stalin and Nicholas II mentioned above honored, and think about whether these rulers of their people were afraid.

The answer to the question of why the Russian people more than once voted in the elections for whom he allegedly wants to say “enough”, Mr. Kalb will not be able to give, no matter how hard he tries, no matter how he chooses the words. The Russian people, apparently, have some sort of secret, which neither the Kalba, nor the McCains, nor the tramps with the Obama can ever guess.
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  1. Chertt
    Chertt 29 November 2017 09: 50 New
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    The opinion of Western scribblers, such as Rod Dreyer, Christopher Caldwell and Marvin Kalb, can only be interesting from the point of view of psychiatry
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 29 November 2017 10: 32 New
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      Quote: Chertt
      The opinion of Western scribblers, such as Rod Dreyer, Christopher Caldwell and Marvin Kalb, can only be interesting from the point of view of psychiatry

      In my opinion, this conclusion is very logical:
      But Putin has anxiety, and it is “deep,” the expert is convinced.

      Evidence of this is the creation of 5 on April 2016 of the Year by the National Guard of Russia - an internal force numbering roughly 350.000 of military personnel who serve Putin himself. The main guard - Victor Zolotov, who "for many years was Putin's personal bodyguard." If Zolotov decides to use his troops, he is not obliged to receive approval from anyone other than Putin, Kalb writes.

      Why does Putin need such a powerful "praetorian guard"? He has a modernized war machine.

      Whatever the polls say, Putin “has a deep fear of his own people”

      In the country, there is not enough money for retirement, for medicine, defense spending is reduced, the budget is scarce ... And at that time, with a generous hand, tens of billions are spent on a completely unnecessary structure, without which Russia existed until now! How can this be explained? What expediency? Only fear.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 29 November 2017 10: 46 New
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        Sorry if I did not understand your irony, I will answer seriously
        Quote: Stas157
        And at that time tens of billions are being spent with a generous hand on a completely unnecessary structure, without which Russia existed until now!

        - The National Guard was not formed from emptiness. but it was formed from the active units of the VV, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and Special Forces, so the "tens of yards" were simply more rationally redistributed.
        Quote: Stas157
        without which Russia existed until now!

        - New times, new challenges, Or do you think that all countries of the world want Russia only good and prosperity
        PS similar units are present in almost all countries with active policies
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 29 November 2017 11: 21 New
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          Quote: Chertt
          - The National Guard was not formed from emptiness. but it was formed from the active units of the VV, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and Special Forces, so the "tens of yards" were simply more rationally redistributed.

          That is, you argue that the creation of a new structure (in fact a new army!), Arming it with aviation and heavy equipment, supplying a new form, and symbols ... even if this is done on the basis of the old structure, is free?
          Quote: Chertt
          New times, new challenges, Or do you think that all countries of the world want Russia only good and prosperity

          For external threats there is an army. Rosguard is designed for internal threats.
          Quote: Chertt
          there are similar units in almost all countries with active policies

          So we had the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the VV. Why is the Rosguard needed? The answer is simple. The Kremlin needs a personal army that would protect it from its own people.
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 29 November 2017 11: 33 New
            +7
            Quote: Stas157
            That is, you argue that the creation of a new structure (in fact a new army!), Arming it with aviation and heavy equipment, supplying a new form, and symbols ... even if this is done on the basis of the old structure, is free?

            - Nothing is done for free. But if the National Guard’s flag is raised on the military unit, financing may not change
            Quote: Stas157
            For external threats there is an army. Rosguard is designed for internal threats.

            -Maidans, provocations, etc. Are you sure that the "Western partners" are not preparing anything for us. May be better safe
            Quote: Stas157
            So we had the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the VV. Why is the Rosguard needed?

            -So when there were archery regiments, you know, time goes on, new forms are needed
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 29 November 2017 11: 42 New
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              Quote: Chertt
              if on the military unit of the BB raise the flag of the National Guard, the financing may not change

              That is, the arms of the Russian Guard with new aviation, and heavy equipment, tailoring a new form, do you not take into account? Is this your only flag outweigh?
              Quote: Chertt
              May be better safe

              Quote: Chertt
              So when there were archery regiments, you know, time goes on, new forms are needed

              Again a set of common phrases. That is, we change, in order to change. Because time is running out!
              1. Chertt
                Chertt 29 November 2017 11: 50 New
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                Do you know not to drown in "set of common phrases" I will answer everything in one word YES,
                1. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 1 December 2017 09: 19 New
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                  Quote: Chertt
                  Do you know not to drown in "set of common phrases" I will answer everything in one word YES,

                  I must say that you are considering two extremes in your dispute. Although the National Guard is still in the stage of formation and determination of the functions that will ultimately be assigned to it. From what happened now and based on the previous functions of the units from which the National Guard is formed, we can conclude that the main task will be not national defense, but the security functions of objects and mass events. What will happen as a result, we will soon find out, it will be determined by the representatives of which structures will occupy key posts in the leadership of the National Guard. At the moment, the hierarchy is only being formed and the leaders are having difficulty representing the functions and capabilities of the units included in the National Guard that came under their leadership.
            2. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 16: 06 New
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              Rule the country fairly and there will be no Maidan!
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 29 November 2017 17: 11 New
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                Rule the country fairly and there will be no Maidan!


                funny you character
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 17: 16 New
                  +7
                  Dear Petrov! No funnier than you. Has there been anything to say about fair rule?
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 29 November 2017 17: 35 New
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                    Yes. you are either 15 or you have already fallen into insanity once you cultivate the bliss of justice and equality and world peace.

                    NPOs, on the contrary, come there - where they think unfair rule from the point of view of mattress.

                    Well, if the example of Gaddafi - justly stuffing his electorate with social benefits - means nothing to you - then your critical thinking is a problem

                    Well, or give an example of justice management. Maybe I don’t understand what.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 17: 37 New
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                      :-) You are angry Petrov, which means you are wrong! I just don’t understand: are you voluntarily mistaken or for denyuzhku?
                      1. St Petrov
                        St Petrov 29 November 2017 17: 38 New
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                        Yes, they pay me money. it’s specifically for you that I’ve got rich. I want an example of justice.

                      2. AlexKP
                        AlexKP 29 November 2017 21: 11 New
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                        Oh how. By this logic, Lev Abramych was furious when we confused the frequencies of the subcarriers, but it turns out he was stupid and we were right.
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              3. Alber
                Alber 29 November 2017 22: 30 New
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                Quote: andrej-shironov
                Rule the country fairly and there will be no Maidan!

                Yes! But if you consult with all sorts of BerLazars, then no justice is expected in the near future
            3. askme
              askme 29 November 2017 21: 53 New
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              The National Guard is a territorial defense during the war. Those who expose the National Guard as punitive forces against the internal opposition are people who are preparing the rebellion themselves, they are the internal enemies of Russia (this is not about you, of course). Hence the rage. But in reality, the National Guard is a very powerful structure of the territorial forces, built around the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is completely justified in wartime. By the way, in wartime, she reports to the Russian Army. Only enemies, internal and external, can hysteria against the National Guard. It is good that they are afraid of the National Guard, coward. Let the devils sit quietly. In the holes. As it should be)
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 30 November 2017 09: 41 New
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                Do you think someone is mad?
                1. askme
                  askme 1 December 2017 05: 09 New
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                  I not only think, but also see it, reading the topic ....
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 07: 58 New
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                    smile Are you a practicing psychiatrist and can you diagnose by text?
                    1. askme
                      askme 1 December 2017 08: 23 New
                      +1
                      Do you have any problems regarding this? Contact the special institution)
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 27 New
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                        smile Those who have problems, as you write, in this part, behave like you. I declare this as a student of pathopsychology.
                      2. askme
                        askme 1 December 2017 08: 36 New
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                        Well then, you, as you persistently studied psychopathology, must answer your question, what do people suffer from who stubbornly see diagnoses when no one puts them))
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 1 December 2017 09: 05 New
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                Quote: askme
                But in reality, the National Guard is a very powerful structure of the territorial forces, built around the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is completely justified in wartime.

                The troops of the National Guard have nothing to do with the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is an independent structure created on the basis of explosives with the inclusion of power, security and permitting structures from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In fact, now only the patrol functions, traffic police and district police officers remained in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Looking at the reforms taking place in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the last decade, one can think of a trend towards the liquidation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                1. askme
                  askme 1 December 2017 11: 02 New
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                  Compared with the RF Armed Forces, the National Guard is closer to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It's about that. And riot police and SOBR are closer to the Ministry of Internal Affairs than to the Russian Armed Forces. But in general, the National Guard is territorial defense. Its meaning is this. It is obvious. The remaining functions are the rudiment of peacetime, and not the main one. I am sure that they will be given heavy military equipment over time. Precisely so that in case of war they could quickly become purely army structures and engage in battle with the enemy. It's my opinion.
          2. Sinbad
            Sinbad 29 November 2017 11: 49 New
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            Well, in this case, it’s not about the people, but about the elites in power, industrial and financial structures, eager for power. Contradictions between power structures subordinate to different departments occurred regularly, starting from the times of the USSR. Combining them, the security forces, into one team with subordination to the head of state, to some extent protects us from coups, coups, etc.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 55 New
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              Quote: Sinbad
              and about the elites in power, industrial and financial structures, eager for power
              Ponder your phrase: "the elite in overbearing structures torn to authorities".
              And some of these elites have not seized upon the government yet?
              Quote: Sinbad
              to some extent protects us from putsch, coups, etc.
              From riots, rallies, etc.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 29 November 2017 11: 57 New
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              Quote: Sinbad
              Combining them, the security forces, into one team with subordination to the head of state, to some extent protects us from coups, coups, etc.

              This is how they brought all the security forces into one team? FSB, Police, Rossguard, Army and Navy in one department according to you? In fact, it’s simple, from VVshnikov created Putin’s personal army, and armed it to the teeth.
            3. 34 region
              34 region 29 November 2017 13: 44 New
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              Sinbad Today, 11:49 AM. In short. 37 year prevented the country from coups and coups !? Is such a thought in the comment?
              1. Sergeantpro
                Sergeantpro 29 November 2017 20: 09 New
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                If you find it difficult to read long texts, I will answer briefly: YES.
                Then they transplanted, and partly shot the opposition in the person of officials and the generals, who actively put sticks in the wheels of military and industrial reform, got rid of the rabid followers of the revolution associated with the "Red Terror" and repressions of the late 20s and 30s.
                In anticipation of the war (or its dangers) they enlarged, i.e. brought together almost all the power services that ensure the internal security of the state, which made it possible to more effectively manage them.
                1. Black5Raven
                  Black5Raven 29 November 2017 23: 51 New
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                  Quote: Sergeantpro
                  Then they transplanted, and partly shot the opposition in the person of officials and the generals, who actively inserted sticks into the wheels of military and industrial reform,

                  Then how do you explain the repression of scientists, artists, cultural workers? Many Belarusian writers went to camps or died.
          3. prokaa
            prokaa 29 November 2017 19: 20 New
            +1
            For the same thing, why do you, in the avatar, a colonel shoulder strap, for you, who did not serve even a minute ......
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 24 New
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          Quote: Chertt
          and was formed from the active parts of the VV, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Special units
          And what was the need to distinguish from the existing units a new structure, without which they were well managed before?
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 29 November 2017 11: 36 New
            +4
            read the answer above
            -when then the archery regiments were
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 52 New
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              Some kind of worthless excuse for spending budget funds, especially in the conditions of their permanent deficit.
              1. Sergeantpro
                Sergeantpro 29 November 2017 20: 11 New
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                No. You just have a shitty understanding of the current situation.
        3. 34 region
          34 region 29 November 2017 13: 41 New
          +6
          Chertt Today, 10:46. *** PS There are similar units in almost all countries that are active in politics *** And was there such a unit in the USSR? Or did the USSR not pursue an active policy?
          1. Galina Artamonova
            Galina Artamonova 29 November 2017 20: 02 New
            +7
            34 the region, maybe you were small when the USSR was, you don’t even know that in the USSR not a single cargo or passenger car could even go on a flight without a ticket. Groups of 2 -3-man soldiers walked through the streets and parks. They could detain any person who seemed suspicious. It was not allowed to have 2 apartments or 2 cottages. All were registered. The enterprises had the first department. In gardening and summer cottage associations, all people knew each other, because they stood out at the enterprises. Each courtyard had its own janitor. He knew everyone. It never occurred to anyone to be afraid that your child was walking alone on the street. We rushed around in all yards and they also knew everyone. We were all oktorats — pioneers — Komsomol members watched films and read books about Chekists and spies. The books “Scuba gear at the bottom”, “PBC”, “Dagger” “Bronze bird”, “Old Fortress” were read to the holes. some suspicious person, we would immediately inform someone, not with mnevaytes.Vsey crowd with great pleasure.
        4. creak
          creak 29 November 2017 14: 55 New
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          Quote: Chertt
          there are similar units in almost all countries with active policies

          There are such formations, however, there is one significant point. Unlike our Rosguard, for example, the US National Guard is a combat-ready reserve of the country's armed forces and, by decision of the US president, its formation may temporarily become subordinate to him. They can also take part in hostilities abroad and have already been noted in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          Under ordinary conditions, parts of the National Guard are in subordinate to state governorsin the territory of which they are deployed, if necessary performing the functions of our Ministry for Emergencies to eliminate the consequences of natural disasters and strengthen the police force state.
          As they say, feel the difference in the system of subordination and functions ...
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 29 November 2017 18: 55 New
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            Unlike our Rosguard, for example, the US National Guard is a combat-ready reserve of the country's armed forces and, by decision of the US president, its formation may temporarily become subordinate to it.

            We have the same system. In wartime, the Russian Guard comes under the command of military districts and is engaged in territorial defense.
          2. Sergeantpro
            Sergeantpro 29 November 2017 20: 17 New
            +1
            Have you ever read the law on the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation?
            Federal Law of July 3 2016 226-FZ
            "On the troops of the national guard of the Russian Federation"
            Chapter 1, Article 2, paragraph 4.
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 29 November 2017 11: 59 New
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        Stas157 Today, 10: 32 ↑ New
        And at this time, with a generous hand, tens of billions are being spent on a completely unnecessary structure, without which Russia existed until now!
        Did Russia exist without internal troops? Or before the reform, riot police and SOBR did not exist?
        If you are not in the know, then these structures are simply combined into one under a single command. What did you see in this not rational? Everything is quite logical.
        In the country there is not enough money for retirement, for medicine, defense spending is reduced, the budget is scarce ...
        And here it would be nice to think about the topic of paying taxes. How many gray salary schemes are there now? How much budget is underserved? Add here how much the budget loses from embezzlers. Plus, the demographic situation, the population is aging, more and more pensioners, and fewer workers. By the time I retire, no one will work at all.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 29 November 2017 12: 07 New
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          Quote: Varyag_0711
          Did Russia exist without internal troops? Or before the reform, riot police and SOBR did not exist?
          If you are not in the know, then these structures are simply combined into one under a single command. What did you see in this not rational? Everything is quite logical.

          That is, before, in your opinion, it was not logical! And now, when Russia is in an acute crisis, and the lack of money for the most necessary, it suddenly became very necessary to spend money on reforming the internal troops!
          1. Sergeantpro
            Sergeantpro 29 November 2017 20: 20 New
            +1
            It is logical what they are doing now. The enlargement, reduction of power components into one command looks just logical in the light of the current threats. Both external and internal. It should be recalled the unification and consolidation before the start of World War II.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 30 November 2017 09: 44 New
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              It is a union in the light of internal threats.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 29 November 2017 14: 03 New
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          Varyag_0711 Today, 11:59. Thinking about paying taxes !? Interesting thought! And who does not pay taxes the most? Oligarchs or hard workers? The embezzlement? Why embezzlers, not private-public partnerships? After all, private business is the most effective !? No? Demographic situation? And how many children can be supported on a minimum wage or a living wage? How about housing affordability? To live well, you have to work hard !? If you work hard, when to live? If you work hard, when to communicate with children? If you work hard, then a juvenile comes to you. Baby without your attention! The population is aging. What is it like? At 50 already breathe through time? Are there fewer workers? So modern technology is evolving! Cars will soon bend people's fingers! Or should only working people pay a pension fund? Is it down with excavators, come on diggers !? If there are few deductions to the pension fund from non-populated industries, then the question is. Where then come the wealth of the oligarchs? After all, cars do everything! Why is there no money for retirement, but is there money for foreign villas and yachts? Why is there no such dependence, and in the situation with pensions such dependence is carried out? Why? Is there a deduction on employee salaries for officials? Suppose 1% of the employee’s salary goes to the official salary fund. How is the situation with the financing of officials?
          1. Galina Artamonova
            Galina Artamonova 29 November 2017 20: 28 New
            +6
            34 region Maybe this is your mother choking on the line for fashionable boots or blouses? Maybe it was your father bought jeans from under the floor or drank bitter after or even at work, and his bosses felt sorry for him? All people, ALL, participated in the collapse of the country, recognizing the right of the nomenclature to live differently from everyone, longing for a rich life abroad, having voted for Yeltsin, we only confirmed our desires and their rights! I just forgive myself for not choking on rags never that I didn’t want to live like in Italian films. Everything suited me. Besides the party nomenclature. I could not stand them !!! But I was silent !!! When they began to write everywhere on the fences, "Marriages from the factory, Yeltsin from the people," I was impressed. And he was that greedy nomenclature. Thank you, although Putin appeared, I recently quite realized it when I heard and saw how liberals hate him, and then I climbed into the Internet tightly. Only then did I see how all evil spirits, disgusting for me, are pouring dirt on him . Then only thoughtful.
      3. Eugene Besfamilny
        Eugene Besfamilny 29 November 2017 15: 41 New
        +4
        My friend, do you know that this is not a new structure, but simply a subordination? And, believe me, you are not a people. And nobody is afraid of you.
      4. turbris
        turbris 29 November 2017 16: 17 New
        +5
        How cool you are to turn off the topic of the article on the National Guard, experience is felt, and then of course about the money, about tens of billions, they have turned the audience over and provided interest. And of course, the conclusion: the fear of the authorities before the people - well, it just feels that it’s not for nothing that you have saddled this site, you perform the tasks in good faith.
      5. horhe48
        horhe48 30 November 2017 07: 58 New
        +1
        You are either confusing or stupid. The National Guard is the same Internal Troops + OMONs, Sobra + civilian arms control service. So there is nothing new. Regrouping. And nothing more. And reporting it directly to the President is a reasonable decision. In such a swollen structure as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the internal troops were the "fifth wheel in the cart." It seems that the migration service should be directly subordinated to the president. Migration issues are put forward as important because of the demographic situation. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs is an important service not native she n needs and is as it were a side. With relevant results.
      6. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 3 December 2017 16: 14 New
        +1
        It must be understood that the former military structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is internal troops, incl. full-fledged special forces detachments + OMON, SOBR and key departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (including the licensing system) became the SERVICE (!) - FSVNG, with direct subordination to the President of the Russian Federation, like the FSB, only this is a professional army of special services, not the Ministry of Defense.
        A bit of logic and careful reading of the regulatory legal acts regulating the activity (especially if you are not too lazy to compare with the previous ones) and no conspiracy theories are needed. Read a couple of laws, such as On Emergency and On Defense, and understand what and how it will be possible to do with your people (mostly Russian!).
        Especially when you consider that the events to create FSVNG began to force after the events in Ukraine.
        Vladimir Putin (and his team, of course, “their own”) is very fond of power, very afraid of losing it, and from the moment it came to it, it constantly improves its “insurance” against the adoption of the law “On the President” with immunity from prosecution, strengthening and strengthening vertical power and before the creation of FSVNG.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 3 December 2017 16: 33 New
          +1
          Or did everyone forget the events of 1991-1993? And, V. Putin remembers very well (especially when this is repeated nearby). And, there is no doubt that he and his team, in the event of events similar to Ukrainian, or even more so, already Donbass, will not make a decision on his ATO. And, any civil war (I repeat, any (!)) Is also an intervention of those interested in order to control it. Moreover, sanctioned by the current government, to help so to speak. By the way, the federal services (FSB and FSVNG) have their own laws and orders on how to “work” in this case.
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 3 December 2017 16: 49 New
            +1
            Wasn't it? In 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed law # 99-FZ, allowing NATO troops to enter Russian territory without a fight. It is interesting that today it is almost impossible to find evidence of the existence of the first law # 99-FZ on NATO on the Russian Internet, except for the newspaper's archive.
            "On the ratification of the Agreement between the states parties to the North Atlantic Treaty ..." Partnership for peace, damn it!
            Was there a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk? And we still don’t know how much has been realized yet.
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 3 December 2017 16: 59 New
              +1
              You should not make an icon from V. Putin (with his team) or idealize it excessively. Everyone knows perfectly well that he is a collective power (if you like, "the king is made by the retinue"),
              The Security Council of Russia, as a good example of the team running the country.
              Be critical. Without unnecessary emotions.
              Under capitalism, we live, however. Knowing the essence of other explanations, it is not necessary.
    2. askme
      askme 29 November 2017 20: 50 New
      0
      The headline was inadequate.
    3. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 2 December 2017 12: 19 New
      0
      And you have not heard that the truth is in the middle, and that it is worth reading DIFFERENT sources, not just the ones you like?
  2. Severok
    Severok 29 November 2017 09: 55 New
    28
    If Vova had not been afraid of the Russian people, he would have long become a dictator and dispersed ALL liberal trash. And so he is a banal capitalist, defending the interests of gangster-oligarchic capitalism, established in Russia.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 29 November 2017 11: 00 New
      12
      Quote: Severok
      If Vova had not been afraid of the Russian people, he would have long become a dictator and dispersed ALL liberal trash. And so he is a banal capitalist, defending the interests of gangster-oligarchic capitalism, established in Russia.

      You have written everything perfectly. I support. + 100500
      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 29 November 2017 15: 35 New
        +1
        So become the president and disperse everyone and be the best! I knew one colleague shouted in the same way and that, as I became a commander, I forgot everything and became a kurva-kurva even for friends!
        1. askme
          askme 29 November 2017 20: 54 New
          0
          Yes. That is why, when someone gorlopanit about the bosses in general, in bulk: "trash", I immediately understand that this man himself is trash. And judges by itself. Inadequate. He is embittered, stupid, and at the same time ambitious and therefore biased towards people around him, and unites with other people only on the grounds of common hatred ...
        2. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 3 December 2017 18: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Berg Berg
          So become the president and disperse everyone and be the best!

          The science fiction genre? Or just emotions? You imagine, realize and adequately evaluate reality for yourself. Is not it so? History does not know the qualitative (regime, form, etc.) change of power, except in a violent and bloody way. Although the "palace coups", even the revolution, it does not matter. By the way, the current government is at least legal (through election-re-election), but not legitimate. And he remembers very well his methods 1991-1993 gg. He remembers and does everything to prevent this from happening. Because he knows that he cannot answer the questions asked. Where is the common heritage for 70 years, for example? What are the results of the 27 years of capitalism on the land of Rlssica?
          No one will ever allow "not their own" even to the possibility of approaching power. This is by the way and one of the reasons for the elimination of the leaders of the Russian world, the Russian spring in the South-East of Ukraine. Remember how it all began. Where are all these people? The Kremlin does not need popular names among the people. It’s dangerous, you know.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 23 New
      23
      Quote: Severok
      defending the interests of gangster-oligarchic capitalism
      That is why his first decree as president was a guarantee of the integrity and integrity of Yeltsin and his family. Plus, remember his pearl about "Russia will remain a liberal market economy" and "there will be no revisions to the results of privatization."
    3. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2017 14: 15 New
      11
      Severok Today, 09:55. If we draw analogies with the former rulers, then Putin is stability !? Such an option of modern Brezhnev with stagnation (or feast)? Everything is stable in the country. The rich are getting richer, the poor are steadily getting poorer. But Putin is not afraid of the Russian people. Because they are afraid of the people, this is stupid. The people of Putin will never take off. But the oligarchy can. The people are extras. Recall Maidan. Yanukovych people threw off? Yeah! Yanukovych threw brothers in the class. The people simply participated in the crowd. Created a crowd. And who of the officials under Putin did the people dismiss? Do people love Medvedev? What is the matter with Medvedev? Medvedev as an unsinkable aircraft carrier! Therefore, talking about fear of the people is simply ridiculous!
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 16: 10 New
        10
        Come on! The people and Putin are by no means two pair boots! The oligarchs will throw him and the people at the right time simply will not support! For nefig-determine the people you or the oligarchs!
      2. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 2 December 2017 12: 22 New
        0
        Medvedev unsinkable aircraft carrier? And who is Chubais then at all?
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 3 December 2017 18: 39 New
          0
          And, the red rat just knows a lot and the dirt is explosive. There are no other explanations.
          Well, maybe: "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." And yes, he is "from the Yeltsin era," a reformer. Such Putin, according to faith, promised not to touch. According to the contract, so to speak, in the transfer of power.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 November 2017 09: 56 New
    +3
    ... before the elections, not such “passions” about GDP will be described in the media, especially in the western ones ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2017 10: 36 New
      24
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... before the elections, not such “passions” about GDP will be described in the media, especially in the western ones ...

      As a matter of fact, I don’t give a damn what they write, for myself I have conclusions, for 17 years of rule, GDP is both steep in foreign and weak in domestic politics, the government is incompetent, after the Second World War, the country went into space during this time, built a lot of factories, Yes, the factories are new cities. and the current ones are at war with the "barrel", but "franklin postcards" are counting ...
      1. 34 region
        34 region 29 November 2017 14: 37 New
        15
        Dadcasty Today, 10:36. If you compare with the Second World War, then! June 22, 1941, the USSR did not begin to merge into the world economy. Although the European Union made a proposal to the USSR in the form of violence. For four years (four years!), The USSR itself made an offer to the European Union which it (the European Union) could not refuse! And the USSR did all this without shouting: ** The West will help us! ** Today we are begging the West to help us with money and technology! Then there was an understanding: No one but us! And there were Komsomol construction sites. And they went there voluntarily. Today, they also voluntarily go to shift !? As it were, voluntarily. Then they worked for the good of the country, today for the good of the elite. Taxes go to the budget of Russia !? And how much goes there !? Then cities and factories were built. Today they consider the benefit by which it is not profitable to build cities and factories. More profitable to play on the stock exchange! And what cosmodromes are in shock terms today ?! This was done in the USSR by the five-year plan in three days! Today they do not have time, there is not enough funding. Where is the high-performance private business !? Why are the deadlines for putting everything moving not to an earlier, but to a later date !? What do you call it? Irresponsibility? Or efficiency? And Putin is far from cool in foreign policy. Just look at our athletes and diplomats. In domestic politics, judging by the money found, there is no steepness either. Where is the steepness? In science? In space? In modern technology? Where do we lead?
        1. turbris
          turbris 29 November 2017 17: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Region 34
          This was done in the USSR by the five-year plan in three days!

          Well, in general, and after that, you begin to doubt your adequacy!
        2. AlexKP
          AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 29 New
          +3
          Compare, do not compare, and the Russians from the beginning of the millennium to this day have never lived better in their history and this applies to all and not just the rich. Therefore, speculation about weak domestic politics is speculation.
          1. turbris
            turbris 30 November 2017 11: 33 New
            0
            Well you give! As soon as they dared to such words, I thought they would attack you now, but decided not to ignore them. This is such sedition, the Russians are not bad at present! Although I completely agree with you, in any case, no worse. than before.
  4. Ihrek
    Ihrek 29 November 2017 10: 15 New
    22
    Interestingly, Medvedev will remain prime minister in the event of a new election of Putin? There is a saying, "Tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are." Unfortunately, Putin’s friends have one misunderstanding that have nothing to do with patriotism.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 29 November 2017 10: 53 New
      +7
      To vote for Putin, then to see who he leaves, if Medvedev, Siluanov and others like them, I don’t think that Putin will gain a lot!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 57 New
        16
        Quote: Alexander War
        if Medvedev, Siluanov and others like them
        These gentlemen will not go anywhere. Most of them are from the same St. Petersburg team, just like Putin. Companions, friends and colleagues on the cut.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2017 14: 41 New
      0
      Ihrek Today, 10:15. Tell me how your friends live, I will tell you how you live! Are your friends thumping !? You are like that too! Are your friends in jail !? You are like that too! Do your friends work !? You work too! hi
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 29 November 2017 17: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: 34 region
        Ihrek Today, 10:15. Tell me how your friends live, I will tell you how you live! Are your friends thumping !? You are like that too! Are your friends in jail !? You are like that too! Do your friends work !? You work too! hi

        I do not understand your irony and generally do not see the logic in your question. Firstly, I am not the president, I am not even close to the authorities. Well, since it’s so interesting for you, I’ll answer - fortunately, I don’t make friends with Bukhara, thieves and other negatives. Because I myself do not thump and do not steal.
        1. AlexKP
          AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 31 New
          +2
          Are you an elf? In shining clothes and a nirvana in an eared head.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 30 November 2017 16: 58 New
        +1
        continued: your friends are stealing, so you are a thief.
  5. BAI
    BAI 29 November 2017 10: 36 New
    0
    Putin even respects the dove.
    https://yandex.ru/video/search?filmId=11813111224
    729058100&text=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD
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    20%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%D1%80%D
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    & amp;
    amp; path = wizard & reqid = 1511940563600928-759545
    472506491015016183-vla1-1889-V
    I don’t know how to download this video. (in the sense of how to pull out from the Yu-tube).
    But the dove did not serve in the army, it trumps the left wing.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 29 November 2017 11: 35 New
      +6
      Is this a pigeon video?
      1. BAI
        BAI 29 November 2017 12: 03 New
        0
        Is this a pigeon video?

        Yes
  6. Alexander War
    Alexander War 29 November 2017 11: 09 New
    +6
    Video for thought
  7. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 11: 18 New
    +4
    Putin has been Russia's best leader since 1881. He is not perfect, but he is better than his predecessors in more than 100 years.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 58 New
      10
      Arguments? No, have not heard...
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 14: 05 New
        +2
        Well, tell me who is better than him since 1881 ... Wait, sir ... :-)
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 29 November 2017 14: 25 New
          +6
          Alexander III, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 29 November 2017 14: 50 New
            11
            Ahead of me. Of course, one can argue with Khrushchev, but I agree with the rest. Especially Stalin and Andropov. With Putin's capabilities, any of them would lead the country to the forefront of the civilized world, and would not pray for the lifting of sanctions, investments and "partners."
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 29 November 2017 17: 14 New
              +5
              Khrushchev himself is a very controversial ruler, but in comparison with Putin he looks quite worthy.
              1. AlexKP
                AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 35 New
                +3
                Khrushchev, in comparison with any ruler, is ordinary cancer. Through his experiments, the country for the small has not led to exterminatus. For which serious uncles on his back knee and gave.
                1. AlexKP
                  AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 53 New
                  +3
                  And Andropov then taxed for half a year and how efficiently. Well, in principle, he pushed his creature into the Central Committee very effectively and promoted it, and then his plan then very efficiently fulfilled his plan and now there is Putin. You suggested ambiguous candidates. One tried to fix the dad’s shoals, the other twisted so that the liquid climbed from all places, the third collective farmer is dumb-headed, the fourth is certainly a leader from God (if nothing is done, there will be no shoals), the fifth is only Gorbach with Shevardnadze I hung my neck, ruined the mentovka and huddled, well, all real leaders.
                  1. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 30 November 2017 07: 19 New
                    +2
                    Quote: AlexKP
                    one tried to fix the dad’s shoals, the other twisted so that liquid from all places climbed, the third collective farmer is dumb-headed, the fourth is of course the head from God (if there’s nothing to do, there won’t be any shoals), the fifth only hanged Gorbach with Shevardnadze, ruined the cop and hoarded up
                    And Putin is a liberal. wassat
      2. turbris
        turbris 29 November 2017 17: 35 New
        +2
        Why do you need arguments? They will not have any effect on you, do not worry calmly and continue to carry out the received. task.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2017 14: 44 New
      +4
      Mu Dialer Today, 11:18. *** Putin is the best leader of Russia since 1881! *** What! Putin in power since 1881 !? winked
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 29 November 2017 18: 41 New
        +6
        this is Mu * Duck, quoting MOST. Putin, without hesitation, stated that - "Not a single leader of the country has worked before me as hard as I have been plowing all these years."
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 30 November 2017 16: 59 New
      +1
      Nicholas II recalls
  8. Greenwood
    Greenwood 29 November 2017 11: 20 New
    11
    why the Russian people more than once voted in the elections for the one to whom he supposedly wants to say “enough”
    Well, this is just understandable. Low turnout, times. Opposition strata of the population, including young people, often ignore the elections, thinking that they have already decided everything. Serious PR company, two. The heroic war in Syria, Donbass, well, they’ll come up with something else. Juggling and adding numbers, three. We recall 146%.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 29 November 2017 12: 16 New
      +3
      Whatever one may say, but so far Putin has been the leader of all the candidates, followed by Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky!
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 29 November 2017 13: 31 New
        15
        and this is the most unfortunate ... for 17 years the "political clearing" has been so cleansed that now one "hero" in the field remains ... there is nobody to choose from ...
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 16: 13 New
        0
        The keyword is "bye".
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 30 November 2017 17: 04 New
      0
      Final Results of the 2012 Presidential Election
      Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich +45 602 075 votes 63,60%.
      Total votes +71 701 665
      The number of voters included in the voter list +109 860 331
  9. Tsoy
    Tsoy 29 November 2017 11: 23 New
    0
    In 2008, Georgia “exploded”, and this time Putin “used military force to suppress.”


    What? How are you doing in parallel reality?


    Harnessed some oligarchs came others. But what saved it does not take away.
  10. AleBors
    AleBors 29 November 2017 11: 26 New
    0
    Before the elections, all sorts of scribblers of the West will translate a lot more ink. This is normal, it would be worse if they did not react in any way. About the Rosguard. I suppose this will be a new oprichnina. God grant ...
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 12: 13 New
      +2
      Yes, what does the scribbler from the West have to do with it, you read our scribblers on the site, you’re already tired of discussing it with them - the overwhelming majority, “Putin is afraid of his people,” well, what can you discuss with them after that!
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 29 November 2017 12: 26 New
        +2
        And those that are "ours", somehow, in my opinion are not really ours ... Don’t you?
        1. 34 region
          34 region 29 November 2017 14: 47 New
          0
          AleBorS Today, 12:26.
          *** And those that are “ours”, somehow, in my opinion, are not quite ours ... Don’t you find? *** And ours, who is this? laughing
          1. turbris
            turbris 29 November 2017 16: 04 New
            +1
            Ours are those who live in Russia regardless of their political views.
  11. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 November 2017 12: 06 New
    23
    No one honors anyone. GDP has long disappointed the lion's share of the population. Real rating below 50%. People do not go to the polls, because they do not see worthy candidates there and those who go, far from all, support GDP.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 29 November 2017 12: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Nemesis
      No one honors anyone. GDP has long disappointed the lion's share of the population.

      You forgot to specify - the lion's share Western population. He is quite happy with our population.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 29 November 2017 13: 23 New
        10
        Quote: Boris55
        Western population
        Putin has no relation to the population of the West. They have Trump, Macron, Merkel, May, etc.
        Quote: Boris55
        Of our
        Your his? At what, specify?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 November 2017 14: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Greenwood
          Putin has no relation to the population of the West.

          He has not, but disappointed ... laughing
          Quote: Greenwood
          Your his? At what, specify?

          All residents of Russia (at least 80% of the population according to the results of the bleeding of the center).
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 29 November 2017 14: 57 New
            13
            Quote: Boris55
            All residents of Russia
            Even on this (patriotic) site there is no 80%. And this is evident in the general tone of the comments. I do not know any of all my relatives, friends and acquaintances who would vote for Putin. Where are these mythical 80%?
            Quote: Boris55
            (minimum 80% of the population
            It is strange that not 146%.
            Quote: Boris55
            central blevade
            Which works as a "foreign agent."
            1. AlexKP
              AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 57 New
              +2
              Here, patriotism is different for everyone.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 30 November 2017 09: 48 New
                0
                There is no different patriotism, as well as truth.
                1. Pax tecum
                  Pax tecum 3 December 2017 18: 47 New
                  0
                  The truth is always alone! These beliefs are different.
        2. turbris
          turbris 30 November 2017 11: 36 New
          0
          Look at Putin’s ratings if you’re so slow-witted and that’s it. The elections will be the same, so you shouldn’t make a fool out of yourself.
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 29 November 2017 13: 57 New
        14
        Yours, Rublevsky population, he is quite satisfied, but not the population of Zamkadia
      3. 34 region
        34 region 29 November 2017 14: 49 New
        +8
        Boris55 Today, 12:31. *** You forgot to specify - the lion's share of the Western population! *** The western population is those who have accounts in the West ?! winked
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 November 2017 17: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: Region 34
          The western population is those who have accounts in the West ?!

          They are the most and not only accounts, but also brains.
      4. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 16: 16 New
        +4
        IS YOUR POPULATION SURE THE POPULATION NEAR THE BODY OR PIPES? NOT?
      5. Overlock
        Overlock 30 November 2017 17: 06 New
        +1
        Final Results of the 2012 Presidential Election
        Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich +45 602 075 votes 63,60%.
        Total votes +71 701 665
        The number of voters included in the voter list +109 860 331
        Find the lion's share?
    2. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 16: 06 New
      0
      Of course, did you personally calculate the rating or did you get the Levada center?
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 29 November 2017 12: 46 New
    17
    Putin is afraid of the Russian people
    - as Oleg Chuvakin wrote.
    And what? Everything is logical. Therefore, one trillion dollars was transferred from Russia to the United States by the oligarchy. In practice, these are five annual budgets of Russia. And now this money will go to the US economy (it already exists there, so to speak, for the benefit of our ally and partner).
    1. 34 region
      34 region 29 November 2017 14: 53 New
      +1
      Old Horseradish Today, 12:46. *** work, so to speak, for the benefit of our ally and partner). *** Aha! So we are working for the benefit of our partner !? And why does our partner not want to work for the good of Russia !? Or is he not our partner? And who is he to us then? And then who are we to him?
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 29 November 2017 16: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Region 34
        And why does our partner not want to work for the good of Russia !?

        Why are you asking me? Ask the US Congress. And for those who got money out of Russia there. Oligarchs are bastards. They made themselves Paradise on Earth there, and the Anglo-Saxons will soon cover them with a copper basin.
    2. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 16: 08 New
      0
      Where does the data come from? Personally came up with about a trillion dollars or who suggested?
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 29 November 2017 16: 38 New
        11
        Greetings to you, alien. You were on distant planets and not at all aware of what is happening here. I am sending you to a wise source of knowledge called Komsomolskaya Pravda. There you will be illuminated by the light of knowledge about our venerable oligarchs.
        “Exactly by the centenary of the October Revolution, the Russian nouveau riche by and large completed the process of utilization of the gigantic heritage of the USSR, created by the work of several generations of Soviet people. And they mined offshore production. About a quarter of a century after the collapse of the Soviet Union, raw materials were exported from Russia by about 5 trillion dollars. And at least $ 1,7 trillion in the form of illegal financial flows was stolen. (For more details, see the first part of the KP investigation) "
        https://www.kp.ru/daily/26735.7/3761936/
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 17: 20 New
          +7
          And in response, silence !!! :-)
          1. turbris
            turbris 29 November 2017 17: 38 New
            0
            I don’t even want to answer this, how many people print nonsense in newspapers.
            1. Old Horseradish
              Old Horseradish 29 November 2017 18: 57 New
              +9
              Well, why do not you believe in the talents of our oligarch friends? Well, at least admit my favorite Roldugin. Some two billion dollars. So to speak, de-energized doctors, teachers and my beloved warrant officers. Putin awarded him for this.
            2. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 20: 21 New
              +3
              wink And I think that just can not.
        2. AlexKP
          AlexKP 29 November 2017 19: 58 New
          +3
          Did they also stole the party gold?
        3. turbris
          turbris 30 November 2017 11: 42 New
          0
          I greet you the same admirer of a wise publication! I am surprised that there are still people who perceive everything that is written and printed as the ultimate truth. In general, normal people have their heads on their shoulders, and do not trust various investigations. Good luck Old Fuck.
  13. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 29 November 2017 14: 39 New
    24
    Will you live without kings?
    The soldier said - please)
    Are you without your guard?
    Well no! - said the king laughing
  14. Berg berg
    Berg berg 29 November 2017 15: 11 New
    0
    And the Tsar of All Russia should respect his people, but be afraid!
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 29 November 2017 15: 14 New
    0
    And what rhetoric - "scared", "climbed". Such epithets and definitions apply to those to whom you have contempt. And such, in general, are all their general statements about us as a whole - about Russia, the people.
    It must be clearly understood that for decades their propaganda machine has poured into their heads the idea of ​​us as subhuman, savage. Which of course must be destroyed for the good of their civilization. Once again.
    It is also necessary to clearly understand that they are for us, thanks to this view, they are deadly and dangerous enemies. That there will never be any mutual respect and especially friendship of peoples.
  16. Mestny
    Mestny 29 November 2017 15: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    So we had the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the VV. Why is the Rosguard needed? The answer is simple. The Kremlin needs a personal army that would protect it from its own people.

    Wrong answer. In Ukraine, there was also the Ministry of Internal Affairs. How it ended - everyone knows. And the Russian Guard is just needed not "against the people", but against the "revolutionaries" who are stubborn with brainwashing and of course their leaders.
  17. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 16: 04 New
    10
    Western analytics! Let us, the Russian people, put all the dots on the "and" about Putin. A few comments: Putin did not restrain the oligarchs, but organized an elite consensus inside, where he made it clear to them: rob the people as you want, but you can’t do anything against politics! And Putin is really afraid and does not understand the people! Everything is simple. To do this, you do not have to be an analyte, you just need to be able to analyze the facts.
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 17: 14 New
      +1
      It can be seen that such
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      analyte
      how you are great at analyzing these facts.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 17: 22 New
        +6
        Ah my admirer! :-) I didn’t even bring a single fact. And you already zealously began to howl ... ;-)
        1. turbris
          turbris 29 November 2017 17: 40 New
          +2
          You’ll be an admirer here, I’ll fight almost alone with all your pack, hold on dear, we will continue.
          1. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 29 November 2017 19: 35 New
            +7
            But only three years ago, people like you banned me “forever” in VO, only because I doubted the “immaculate conception of a galley rower”. Only three years and you are almost alone. I understand that you are nobody and you can’t call you at all, barking in the background realizing that the days, and possibly the years of HIS are numbered. Your idol will be considered, weighed and declared unfit. According to his deeds ...
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 20: 25 New
            +5
            laughing Dear Turbris! You are well done! Our pack she is. She lives in harmony with her head and common sense. It does not lead to the propaganda of Solovyov, Pushkov, etc. By the way, I plus you for endurance wink We will continue ...
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 17: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: c-Petrov
    Yes, they pay me money. it’s specifically for you that I’ve got rich. I want an example of justice.

    Fi, Petrov, this is not comme il faut :-) You even turned off the answers to your posts, you have to answer through quoting. You’re an apologist for Putin, I understand correctly? Well, I want an example that Putin will lead the country exclusively for the people.
    1. AlexKP
      AlexKP 29 November 2017 20: 00 New
      +2
      I think he is an apologist for common sense.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 20: 29 New
        +5
        smile And I think he is an apologist for the lack of facts.
  19. Silver fox_2
    Silver fox_2 29 November 2017 18: 26 New
    0
    stupid people
  20. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 29 November 2017 18: 28 New
    0
    Dude Dude - why should we? And you?
  21. Natalia777
    Natalia777 29 November 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    The Russian people trust V.V. Putin and respect him for the fact that V. Putin is glad for Russia. Putin loves Russia and the Russian people. The speculations of Western politicians mean nothing to the Russians.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 20: 30 New
      +7
      laughing Natalya, troll thickly.
  22. brats
    brats 29 November 2017 18: 41 New
    +2
    Gray, (NE Cord) But what about current priests? But the Jews are not the same? Oh well…


    “Apparently we didn’t cry somewhere
    Or ate fast goose,
    What can not an Orthodox rocket
    To enter orbit, carrying satellites.
    I didn’t take off. Spirituality pulls
    Us to the earth, far from heaven
    And laughs somewhere out there drunk
    No, not the devil, but just a demon.
    Let us direct our faces to heaven.
    Fuck drawings hedgehogs calculations,
    We need to pray more carefully to everyone,
    After all, Gagarin was secretly baptized.
    Religious procession withstand and standing
    The Orthodox world. How many of us!
    Mass, speed, force, distance,
    God's people do not have a decree
    Because you need to believe in a miracle,
    And not the ravings of all scientists there.
    Let’s bring to ordinary people,
    What a great Jura was baptized!
    Let the dog breed bark -
    E is equal to their EM CE squared.
    He did not fly into space, but ascended
    By the power of faith and with prayer, brothers. ”




    * “It is difficult to make a person understand something if his earnings are provided by a misunderstanding of this” Adam Smith *

    Fooling and confusing, because the events of 1917, and 2MB, and reliably fake conquering of the Moon, as well as many other epoch-making crimes and substitutions, are the work of Old Testament scammers who transgressed the framework of divine connivance and continue with informational stupefying methods, pushing civilization into a systemic dead end of degradation .
    This obvious conclusion is justified by the end of the biblical usury project, the only option for prolonging the agony of which is a civilizational pullback in development. To which all these Tolkien, elves and other homosexuals, which replaced the HDI, and the goal-setting of space exploration, are called upon.
    Of course, it is hardly justified to guarantee the uniformity of the picture across the globe, the satellites are pouring in with us, we pay a post of 6% mortgage tribute to the bankers, we are ours too, Slavic blood is pouring in Ukraine, according to the Jewish scenario ...
    And accordingly, in the first place, it was inappropriate for us to make a “misunderstanding", especially if it is not only not paid for, but systematically deprives the future. This is no longer a facespalm, but a handshake stupidity.
  23. sokoljlga
    sokoljlga 29 November 2017 18: 57 New
    +1
    Putin has no alternatives today, and in the near future. The situation is not simple. And he acts optimally in it. Everything is changing. And the CIA project cannot be eternal. Putin does not allow it to be completed. And this is wonderful. Because history corrects mistakes always. And a return to unity and power is inevitable. Like scrapping the financial game for which the Union was destroyed. What are the comments of observers there. Heresy. The CIA is working on strategies. But it does not take into account the main features of mentality. It is practically systematic.
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 29 November 2017 20: 21 New
      +5
      Of course there is no alternative. because the alternative is in prison (Kvachkov, for example, why is it interesting that the Airborne Colonel will be worse than the KGB Colonel as president), or decays in the grave, or others, looking at how the “oppositionists” smeared with green stuff from the Kremlin do not dare to risk their health and their own reputation.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 29 November 2017 20: 31 New
      +1
      laughing I just can’t understand from this set of unrelated words the meaning of this message.
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    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 29 November 2017 20: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: sokoljlga
      Putin has no alternative today, and in the near future.

      What ????
      Quote: sokoljlga
      The situation is not simple. And it acts optimally in it. Everything is changing.

      You child nytyat injections.
      Quote: sokoljlga
      Because history always corrects mistakes. And a return to unity and power is inevitable. Like breaking the financial game for which the Union was destroyed. What are the comments of the observers. Heresy. The CIA is working on strategies. But it doesn’t take into account the main thing-mentality features. It’s practically systemic .

      Lord! This is Putin’s new education.
      I did not know that mozkhkh can be stopped to such an extent, only instincts of Pavlov’s dog will come next. belay
  24. iouris
    iouris 29 November 2017 19: 10 New
    +2
    About one pilot-political officer, the evil men also said: "He loves to fly, but is afraid."
  25. IStreebok
    IStreebok 29 November 2017 19: 11 New
    15
    Fierce delirium with chewing shit ...
    Theater of the absurd. Putin is a great creator of appearances. Professional liar. He is the successor of Yeltsin’s affairs. In fact, the country is colonial - every year its population is squeezed by taxes and moronic bills. We are a raw materials appendage ... No more ... Even our own refineries do not. Fuel rising in price every year is the key to rising food prices ... What kind of nonsense with the support of 80 percent ...? Idiocy.
    1. turbris
      turbris 30 November 2017 19: 54 New
      +1
      How much did you take on your chest before you wrote it?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 04 New
        +1
        smile Dear Turbris, they don’t talk like that with an opponent! Not comme il faut it.
        1. askme
          askme 1 December 2017 08: 26 New
          +1
          The opponent is one thing, and inadequate is another. When people make a big deal of obvious rubbish, such as “no refinery” and all in the same spirit - this is called inadequacy. The remark is absolutely appropriate.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 34 New
            +1
            smile When there is no emphasis on facts, but there is emphasis on emotions, then this is no longer an argument, but a shit. Tell me, are you truly sure that all refineries in Russia belong to Russia?
            1. askme
              askme 1 December 2017 08: 42 New
              +1
              Well, if you understand this, why are the emotions of an inadequate person who believes that there is no refinery in Russia, you consider the facts, and pull his sane opponent? Maybe the reason is in your own emotions that you mistook for facts? This happens with fanatics .... And do not transfer the conversation from the stream of consciousness of inadequacy to another topic. The person categorically states that "there is no refinery." Do you also think that there is no refinery in Russia? Are you inadequate too? Especially if you, as you write, studied psychopathology)))) You just have to answer yourself)) This question is simple for a specialist)))))
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 59 New
                +1
                smile The argument is to bring the facts. You followed the opponent’s emotions with your own. Therefore, look no better. To be precise, the person wrote "their refineries", and not how you write "no refinery." Maleha is also juggling concepts wink admit if you are not adequate. I answer: there are oil refineries in Russia, but not all of them belong to it. But in fact it is the property of the oligarchs. You can draw a structure and other information on oil refining in Russia from PEDIVICIA.
                1. askme
                  askme 1 December 2017 10: 07 New
                  0
                  [quote = andrej-shironov] The argument is to bring the facts. [/ quote]
                  And why did you get the idea that I am arguing with this emotional comrade here and someone is arguing with him? Do you have hallucinations along the way?)) I comment on your upsetting. To you. But why did you need to invent that I argue with a person? What is it called in psychopathology, when fantasies substitute reality for you, as a specialist in psychopathology, do you know?)))))

                  To you: regarding your own refineries, are you truly convinced that the issue of ownership of Russian refineries makes Russian refineries foreign?) Can they be taken away, closed, reprofiled?)) What do you think?) What are the reasons to believe that Russia does not have its own refineries? ? ... And also what is your evidence that there are no refineries in Russia owned by state-owned companies, i.e. the state, Russia ?? ....

                  There are oil refineries in Russia, but not all of them belong to it. But in fact it is the property of the oligarchs. You can draw a structure and other information on oil refining in Russia from PEDIVICIA.
                  [/ Quote]
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 10: 20 New
                    0
                    smile I am not a lamp in psychopathology, I studied pathopsychology, once again I write these different things, see Pedivics. It seems to me that you are infantile, because you are not able to understand the little things, because you are firmly convinced that if something stands on the territory of Russia it belongs to it. With the modern development of technology and a competent approach, even what is on the territory of Russia can be put out of action so much that recovery will be unreasonable. This is called literate wrecking. And it can be done on the spot. Next, look at the website of the same Rosneft, the section on affiliates and the presence of their shares, draw conclusions. State-owned companies do not equal Russian property, do not be mistaken. Although by the way, what am I signing here before, you are not able to delve into it.
                    1. askme
                      askme 1 December 2017 10: 43 New
                      0
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      I think

                      Namely, since you persistently fantasize that someone is arguing with someone, although there is no dispute, because you fantasize that foreign owners of shares in Russian oil refineries can carry out technological "wrecking" at the technological level -
                      exactly what it seems to you. So when it seems - contact the relevant institutions, comrade. I hope psychiatrists help you. As well as your inadequate colleague who considered that Russia allegedly does not have its own refineries.

                      ps The main problem of the communist sect is the emotional conviction that the so-called "oligarchs" are certainly pests, that the capitalist is a pest and an enemy of the people. It was hammered at the level of emotions, this was brainwashed by generations. And now in the new conditions of life, people who have not been able to adapt to the new society, to new realities, pass on their beliefs, their hallucinations as the ultimate truth, actively searching for enemies among compatriots, categorically asserting any absurdity that simply diverges from elementary facts. And they consider this absurdity facts not requiring evidence. Therefore, I write: inadequate, unable to analyze themselves and the surrounding reality sensibly. Fanatics ...

                      Thanks for the dialogue. He showed everything well. Where are the facts, and where is the “seems” hallucination, where the tantrum is inadequate ...
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 10: 56 New
                        0
                        smile Note I am very attentive to you. Like a real psychiatrist wink You are my opponent and I respect you and have not offended you anywhere, unlike you. I am also not an adherent of the communist idea and ideology. And nowhere has he argued that the capitalist is equally a wrecker, as well as the fact that foreign shareholders can carry out wrecking. I just pointed out to you the ephemeral nature of your facts that if something is located on the territory of Russia it belongs de jure and de facto and it cannot be ruined in any way. Remember, any state corporation is a capitalist enterprise, created with the aim of making a profit. And only under these conditions is it possible that gasoline in our country rises in price, regardless of whether the oil price has fallen or increased. An oligarch on the drum on whom to make money. And Sechin is so drunk that he does not consider it necessary to appear even in court. It’s probably not easy for you to be a devil’s lawyer, at least in the film it’s bad for a lawyer wink
                      2. askme
                        askme 1 December 2017 12: 41 New
                        0
                        the answer is here: https: //topwar.ru/130742-proekt-zz-russkiy-
                        narod-pochitaet-putina-a-putin-boitsya-russkogo-n
                        aroda.html # comment-id-7618900
  26. Santor
    Santor 29 November 2017 19: 22 New
    +4
    This is to see and save, and sometimes to show those who have forgotten everything:

  27. demo
    demo 29 November 2017 20: 43 New
    +9
    It is clear that the question is still important in the world - Who are you, Mr. Putin?
    And many analysts still will not take a few simple truths.

    At the time of Yeltsin’s dismissal (and this was precisely the dismissal) from power, Vladimir Putin had already worked as the head of the FSB and the prime minister.
    But that was not the main thing.
    The main thing was that when bringing a person into power it was necessary to have such incriminating evidence on him that would allow him to be neutralized at any suitable moment.
    No one doubts that Vladimir Putin, after retiring and working under the wing of Sobchak, could not remain unoiled?
    There was even a report of such a woman, Sollier. She was a member of the Petrosoviet.
    Whoever needs it will find and worship.
    So the waters of Sobchak did not give the cause.
    And why not?
    It is better to have incriminating evidence against each other than to wait for a friend to become an enemy.
    And such a controversial candidacy, already working with both Medvedev and Sechin, and with many of those whose names sounded on TV every day, was promoted in a very short time to the top of Olympus.
    What steps can such a person take against the robbers of the people's property, embezzlers?
    Yes, no.
    There remains the question of whether Putin should be credited with preserving Russia or is it his negative deed?
    I believe that the merit of GDP in preserving Russia is undeniable.
    Only we forget that the investigation can have two or more reasons.
    And the goal of preserving Russia for GDP is different for me.
    Imagine that before him, under Yeltsin, the entire camarilla standing nearby milked and dragged from Russia as best she could.
    Russia did not have a future.
    But with the advent of Putin and the new team, a different point of view appeared and triumphed - why cut a chicken that lays golden eggs? We need to feed her and she will bring many, many more eggs.
    Those. no pragmatic person like Putin can talk about any concern for an ordinary person, about the fate of the country, about the people.
    Do not entertain yourself with silly illusions.
    Changing the course that we all dream about is impossible, by definition.
    And Putin is afraid. Afraid of his associates. Afraid of his people. And the Russian Guard is a tool.
    In the hands of his closest assistant.
    But it is precisely at the hands of such leaders that perish.
    So Putin has something and whom they are afraid of.
    1. sds87
      sds87 29 November 2017 22: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: demo
      And Putin is afraid. Afraid of his associates. Afraid of his people. And the Russian Guard is a tool.

      I agree with your commentary in its entirety. He does not have 86% of popular support. Unless shortly after the annexation of the Crimea. And the Rosguard is an attempt to defend itself against future indignation of the people brought to the pen by the "excellent" work of the government under the full approval of the GDP.
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      1. turbris
        turbris 30 November 2017 11: 54 New
        0
        Is it so written in the conclusions of the investigation? Or is it your own conclusions?
  28. Twodi
    Twodi 29 November 2017 21: 00 New
    +1
    If the GDP would still introduce laws punishing the corruption officials, then there would be absolutely no price for it. And they steal too much, there will be no order and prosperity in the country.
  29. bokarev7
    bokarev7 29 November 2017 23: 16 New
    +2
    Make an online request:
    Zimin vs Putin
    Links will appear. According to one of them, you can read my statement about Putin’s crimes under 4 criminal articles.
    I live in the suburbs. I went to Moscow, where I registered this statement with the General Prosecutor’s Office (the prosecutor Chaika Yu.Ya.) and the Investigative Committee (chairman A. Bastrykin) of Russia.
    The first sentence in the statement: “I am acquainted with article 306 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (knowingly false denunciation).
    They do not want to answer according to the Code of Criminal Procedure, they are afraid. And under article 306 of the Criminal Code, they also do not institute criminal proceedings against me. Understand that there is no reason.
  30. Dedall
    Dedall 29 November 2017 23: 40 New
    +7
    As for me, I see in the photo of our Great and Terrible only traces of buttocks. But he often does not help him. For example, I watched somehow about how Chubaisik brought one of his creations - an LED lamp 10 centimeters in diameter at a price of one and a half thousand. So our Guarantor withstood! Then he, as a partisan during interrogation, said nothing to the thief, although he probably replaced the fillings on his teeth. It’s just bad that Red continues to bring him another “new product”, and Garan, as the head of Professor Dowell, is silent.
  31. MA3031SWL
    MA3031SWL 29 November 2017 23: 43 New
    +2
    But why do states need a national guard? These are the "pillars of democracy." Nevertheless, there are 8 divisions and about 1300 aircraft (of which 500 fighters). Well, and who is it against? Who are the Yankees afraid of in their country?
  32. LEVMAMONT
    LEVMAMONT 30 November 2017 00: 29 New
    0
    Vladimir Putin is afraid of someone else, nonsense. However, he has a huge fear of possible unrest and, moreover, uprisings that he will have to drown in a sea of ​​blood, again for the sake of saving Russian statehood. The ruler has the right to chop heads, but chop wood for no reason. The first will be forgiven him, but the second will never be Stalin's example. Despite the high-profile accusations and curses, Stalin remains an unrivaled ruler in the history of the land which he ruled. The generals lose the war, but in all wars it is the ordinary soldiers of any rank who have a sense of righteousness who win. This is precisely the secret of all the troubles and failures that haunt Russia. Russia does not have the institution of a just cause, and without it, sooner or later, unfortunately, it will be brought to its knees.
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    1. turbris
      turbris 30 November 2017 12: 01 New
      0
      You are mistaken, dear, you are not anyone else. The rule of law will be protected by a very large number of people; the example of the Independent will not leave anyone indifferent.
  34. LEVMAMONT
    LEVMAMONT 30 November 2017 01: 08 New
    +1
    Vladimir Putin, unlike Stalin, cannot claim a quote .. the state is me .. Indulgence and the desire to be a member of the club of world rulers played a role. Stalin never aspired to this, and if he had even been offered this, then he would simply not have agreed to anything less than the brain of this club. Putin really appeared in the political horizon of nowhere. Unlike his western colleagues, he didn’t have to go through the school of head-climbing, so he will never be perceived as his own. The Russian language is really great and powerful, like those people who speak it correctly. Times are changing faster and faster, and therefore, in my personal opinion, not only to keep up with the times, but also get ahead of them in the grammar of the Russian language, four should appear specifically for political literacy new cases. Following from the pure heart of the prepositional, follow-up-digging-urgent-spitting
    .
  35. NKVD
    NKVD 30 November 2017 05: 11 New
    0
    The author lives in a parallel world like our government. The people have long been spitting at the sight of fat officials and always sticking their nose in all spheres of life, the patriarch.
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  37. loaln
    loaln 30 November 2017 12: 02 New
    0
    In fact, always the views from the side were not treated with neglect and hatred, but with attention.
    Take a closer look at how diligently the state is freed from all the scarlet. In everything from paraphernalia to ideas and everyday thoughts. How slowly the scarlet colors of Aeroflot are replaced by orange. Pipe exclamations that we will not have an orange revolution. Do not be blind. She's already coming. Just like Gorbachev, it will not overthrow, it will corrode, destroy the state, because rejecting and destroying everything Soviet destroys the ONE idea that was accepted by most Russian citizens. Accepted and protected at the cost of millions of lives. I. What do you think, what color do the citizens' views tilt during the Victory Parade, when the colors used by the traitors of the Motherland walk in front of the scarlet Banner of Victory. And immediately the question arises: "Who won? Soviet people or Vlasovites?" So, from all this, people form the question that was discussed in the article.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 30 November 2017 14: 15 New
      +1
      Not the Soviets defended, not socialism or communism, not the colors of the flags, but defended RUSSIA!
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 26 New
        0
        smile I’ll clarify, not Russia but the Motherland. Then it was a great difference.
  38. Antokha
    Antokha 30 November 2017 13: 08 New
    +2
    The Game of Thrones series is very beautifully made. But he has nothing to do with reality, as well as the statements of this Marvin Kalba. So it seems that this is another American who has learned to speak Russian “hello” and “how are you.” And on the topic: Putin is not afraid of the Russian people, because they are the most patient and generous people.
  39. Victor N
    Victor N 30 November 2017 14: 11 New
    0
    I can’t understand: why exactly in VO such a concentration of opponents of Putin (judging by the comments)? The commander in chief pays much attention to the armed forces, for which he is often criticized by civilians. And here everything seems to be in uniform ....
    1. turbris
      turbris 30 November 2017 21: 10 New
      0
      You are mistaken, here not everyone was in uniform, and some never even knew what the Armed Forces were. But it also surprises me that a former officer or military man can write such a thing, because all under the nicknames, judging by the comments, they are not former military men, but why did they land on this site? Probably got such an assignment. Therefore, I appeal to the administration, let's close the site, it should not be for everyone, even if during the registration, bloggers confirm their affiliation with the sun in the past or in the present, otherwise there is no sense in the existence of a site with this name.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 25 New
        +1
        smile Here I recognize people close to freedom of speech. Would you really enjoy talking to yourself? Although with some deviations this happens.
  40. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 50 New
    0
    Quote: askme
    Well then, you, as you persistently studied psychopathology, must answer your question, what do people suffer from who stubbornly see diagnoses when no one puts them))

    smile Another merged! Well, what kind of people are you? Well, what is your faith on the part of Putin that you will protect him? They can’t even debate adequately! I explain for you: psychopathology is not that pathopsychology!
    1. askme
      askme 1 December 2017 12: 32 New
      0
      In the sense of "merged"? You merged. You are talking about the fact that someone here diagnosed (before your connection to the conversation). It's a lie. You got caught by the ears. And you wag booty. The usual forum troll, engaged in demagogy, ascribes to interlocutors what is not. The liar, the troll. The drain is really counted! Your.
    2. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 16: 52 New
      0
      Yes, spit on your psychopathology or pathopsychology, if only they would be engaged in these of their psychologies, and not shake the air on the site is clearly off topic.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 17 New
        0
        smile Do not read.
  41. askme
    askme 1 December 2017 12: 28 New
    0
    Quote: andrej-shironov

    You are my opponent and I respect you and have not offended you anywhere, unlike you.
    I even believe that you see yourself that way, a surprisingly attentive and polite psychiatrist, especially when something stubbornly “seems” to you: how someone argues with someone when there is no dispute, when you think that someone he handed out diagnoses, although no one made any diagnoses when it seems to you that the very presence of refinery shares in foreign hands is accompanied by the possibility of technological sabotage, when it seems to you that the capitalist is by all means an “oligarch”, certainly a wrecker, when it seems to you that you are very polite and attentive, but at the same time you call a person with a superficial infantile on the basis of an emotional conviction that the capitalist is primarily interested in profit, and he doesn’t give a damn about the fate of his homeland that he’s ready to sell his mother for the sake of money ... Of course, with such mental products you convincingly proved to me that you are not Communist fanatic, convinced that all capitalists are
    they are enemies, corrupt villains, ready for profit on sabotage. You are undoubtedly a very convincing "psychiatrist." See a doctor only. As soon as possible. For your own good ...

    And this is generally gorgeous for your psychiatrist, be sure to show him:

    I just pointed you to ephemerality Your facts that if something is located on the territory of Russia it belongs de jure and de facto and this cannot be spoiled in any way.
    "The ephemerality of facts" (!) - how is it? The facts are either reliable or not, but not ephemeral. Either they are, or they are not. Illusions can be ephemeral, but not facts. If the word "facts" were in quotation marks - everything is clear and adequate. And so ... You have a clear semantic discrepancy, either talking about problems with the language, or about problems with thinking, talking about cognitive impairment ...

    Again, where did I say that something cannot be ruined ??? Again, something stubbornly seems to you, our polite non-communist, non-fanatic, who believes that in addition to profit, the capitalist cannot have any other values ​​in life ?? .... Of course, reading you I immediately I understand that hypocrisy is by no means inherent in you))) ....

    It was you who tried to prove to us that the very ownership of shares of Russian refineries by foreigners in itself carries the threat of technological sabotage.

    You didn’t succeed in doing this and now you, as a true “polite” “psychiatrist”, are lying, as if I argued that sabotage at the refinery is impossible? It turns out so, and not otherwise ...

    Once again, for the attentive, polite non-communist, non-fanatical "psychiatrist": I argue that the mere ownership of shares of Russian oil refineries by foreigners cannot lead to technological sabotage at the oil refinery. Are you able to realize this? Or understanding is still hindered by your non-fanaticism, your non-communist beliefs ?? ....

    Quote: andrej-shironov
    any state corporation is a capitalist enterprise, created with the aim of making a profit. And only under these conditions is it possible that gasoline in our country rises in price, regardless of whether the oil price has fallen or increased.

    What is the place for the issue under discussion of the "sabotage" voiced by you at the refinery, the technological sabotage of foreign shareholders of the refinery?

    Or your visions, your “appearances” of a “non-communist”, “non-fanatic”, a very loving “oligarchs” in general and capitalists in particular, a sweetheart, a loving and respecting conversation partner, generally people, fellow citizens with pure and objective respectful love of a sweetheart - "psychiatrist", these your visions still tell you that:

    Quote: andrej-shironov

    An oligarch on the drum on whom to make money. And Sechin is so drunk that he does not consider it necessary to appear even in court. It’s probably not easy for you to be a devil’s lawyer, at least in the film it’s bad for a lawyer
    ?

    You are very "convincing" ....)) Especially where about Sechin and the "devil" and me as their lawyer - this is just the top of attentiveness, politeness, objectivity, as well as the "ephemerality of facts" and, in general, your "adequacy" ... .
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 16: 05 New
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      smile Yes, you my friend is also a formalist and poorly educated.
      1. askme
        askme 1 December 2017 19: 37 New
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        And you, son, are clearly trying to hide your emotions, your social malice, your social phobia, your stupidity behind pretentious politeness and demagogy, ascribing to yourself those qualities that you do not own. You can blame me for anything. It's a simple matter when emotions boil in people instead of thoughts. But the stupidity in the subject of discussion and your hypocrisy here is shown by you, by your "ephemeral facts" .... As you write, your discharge is counted.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 47 New
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          wink Son? Well then, I'm afraid that you should have already bent. Few men survive in so many years in modern Russia. You can also blame me for anything.
          1. askme
            askme 1 December 2017 20: 01 New
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            You blame it here. Verbally. I explain. Arguments. The difference is not given to you.
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    andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 16: 00 New
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    Quote: askme
    the answer is here: https: //topwar.ru/130742-proekt-zz-russkiy-
    narod-pochitaet-putina-a-putin-boitsya-russkogo-n
    aroda.html # comment-id-7618900

    smile Yeah, with such defenders, Putin should be careful! Soap and bast - start all over again ...
    1. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 17: 02 New
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      And I advise you to blame it from this site, as a person who has never been close to military issues, relocate to Political Review, there you have a place. On this site, people close to military issues should discuss, but not blinkered “jackets,” who, apart from criticizing the current government, are no longer capable of anything.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 20 New
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        smile Do not tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go. By the way, where did the information come from that I was not close to military issues?
    2. askme
      askme 1 December 2017 19: 41 New
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      Well, they also wrote me down as Putin’s defenders)) He doesn’t need defenders, sonny. He himself protects people, therefore he is protected by them.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 19: 48 New
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        wink Yes, I know, in history it already was. The truth was called differently. a sort of limited circle of approximates.
        1. askme
          askme 1 December 2017 19: 58 New
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          You are a troll, an ordinary forest animal. There, in the woods, and stay without attention, in squalor ...
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 20: 11 New
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            smile Yes, my attention is purely purple.