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Western experts on the Ukrainian boats "Gyurza-M"

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Resource Naval analysis posted the material in which he considered the project of the Ukrainian armored boat of the 58155 “Gyurza-M” project, reports bmpd.


Western experts on the Ukrainian boats "Gyurza-M"


According to the resource, “boats are built using armored steel 8 mm thick” and “as of the end of 2017, the Ukrainian Navy had six (so in the text) similar boats, and 12-14 during the construction phase”.

In total, it is planned to commission 20 armored boats by 2020. They will become the basis of Ukrainian fleet.

The disadvantages of the project include “insufficient seaworthiness of boats, since they can go to sea at a sea state no more than 4 points, there is also a limitation on the use of weapons - it can be used at sea state up to 2 points. ”

In addition, there are no anti-ship weapons on the boats, and the 30-mm guns and the Barrier ATGM can fight only against boats of a similar class.

And, finally, the patrol range is very limited for boats (a total of 12 miles with a tabular 700-mile cruising range). This range was determined due to the crew’s reserve requirements and insufficient speed of the boat.

At the same time, experts note that Gyurza-M is “relatively cheap compared to boats of European projects, and, at least on paper, it is well equipped for an 50-ton ship.”

The project is largely used equipment and weapons of domestic production. Not the fact that this is exactly what the Ukrainian fleet needs now. According to the authors of the publication, “Gyurza-M doubled, equipped with MBDA Marte Mk2 anti-ship missiles and the Katran-M artillery installation could be the perfect solution for the Ukrainian fleet.”

Ukraine can afford to buy six or eight such ships. In this case, the construction of Gyurza-M boats may stop at the level of 8-10 units that will be used on rivers and lakes.
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  1. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 20 November 2017 14: 08 New
    +4
    ... In total, it is planned to put into operation 20 armored boats by 2020. They will become the basis of the Ukrainian fleet ...
    Grand Fleet, right)
    1. Sharky
      Sharky 20 November 2017 14: 18 New
      +4
      experts note that the Gyurza-M is "relatively cheap compared to European design boats, and at least on paper it is well armed for a 50-ton ship."

      So why doesn’t "fraternal" Europe buy these boats from Ukraine "suffering under aggression"? Indeed, it is cheaper and “on paper” looks good. Everything indicates that you need to take! Or: "Do you need such a cow yourself?" laughing.
      1. BAI
        BAI 20 November 2017 14: 25 New
        +3
        So why the "fraternal" Europe does not buy these boats


        “Insufficient seaworthiness of boats, since they can go out to sea with a sea wave of no more than 4 points, there is also a restriction on the use of weapons - it can be used when sea waves up to 2 points.”

        In Europe there are no ponds for them.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 20 November 2017 14: 34 New
          0
          There is no such disturbance on the Elbe River.
          It will be difficult to poke into the North Sea on it already.
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 20 November 2017 15: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Sharky
        Or: "Do you need such a cow yourself?"

        rather, such a cow no one needs laughing
    2. Burbon
      Burbon 20 November 2017 14: 49 New
      0
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      They will become the basis of the Ukrainian fleet ...

      most likely for the Sea of ​​Azov .... against the DPR use .... only bad for ukrvermahtta all over
    3. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 20 November 2017 15: 30 New
      +1
      Some will have to stock up on DShK, RPG-7 and Métis.
      Otherwise, this formidable fleet cannot be dealt with.
    4. aszzz888
      aszzz888 21 November 2017 01: 58 New
      +1
      Siberian barber Yesterday, 14:08 New
      ... In total, it is planned to put into operation 20 armored boats by 2020. They will become the basis of the Ukrainian fleet ...
      Grand Fleet, right)

      ... based on one Ukrokaklovsky admiral per vessel ... laughing
  2. RASKAT
    RASKAT 20 November 2017 14: 08 New
    +3
    Six-row boat with a tower from the Ukrainian BTR-3, nothing more to say. If such achievements please the Ukrainian military, what am I sorry for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Although it’s not nearly a pity they consider us enemies, which means they need it that way.
  3. 210ox
    210ox 20 November 2017 14: 09 New
    +3
    What else to expect from a project intended for sailing along the Syr Darya.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 20 November 2017 14: 11 New
      +8
      A fun article: it seems like they want to praise dill, but they can’t find for what. wink
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 20 November 2017 14: 23 New
      +1
      so designed for the desert?
      THERE FROM ANCIENT EGYPT PERFORMED ITS CHARIERS!
  4. signifera
    signifera 20 November 2017 14: 12 New
    +2
    Lake and river combat boat! Thunderstorm of fishermen)))
    I don’t quite understand about 12 miles. He can only sail 12 miles?!?!?! Then you need a service for refueling?
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 20 November 2017 14: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Signifer
      Lake and river combat boat! Thunderstorm fishermen

      Fishermen will leave as if they were standing ... they usually have a lot more speed.
      And he is afraid of excitement.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 20 November 2017 15: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: Deadush
        Fishermen will leave as if they were standing ... they usually have a lot more speed.
        And he is afraid of excitement.

        а
        30 mm guns and ATGM "Barrier"
        for what? they’ll shoot right away, and then they’ll understand laughing
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 20 November 2017 16: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          for what? they’ll shoot right away, and then they’ll understand

          if it shoots ...
          Yes, and in response can fly, there are now a lot of things that go around laughing
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 20 November 2017 16: 11 New
            +5
            Well, who got up before - that and slippers request
  5. Romanenko
    Romanenko 20 November 2017 14: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: “total 12 miles with tabular 700 mile range”
    Probably something with the translation or a finger on the keyboard slipped. There can be no such 12 miles, is he on the wire chtoli?
    Yes, and 120 against 700 also somehow does not fit, just a typo.
    Well, everything else for a 50-ton river boat operating in the coastal zone and estuaries, especially seaworthiness up to 4 points, and firing from the hand, with agitation up to 2 points, would probably be nice for a boat from World War II, apparently and for modern Ukraine is acceptable.
    As they say, what is rich ...
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 20 November 2017 15: 10 New
      +1
      From Wiki: 216 miles at 28 knots (400 km), 400 miles at 11 knots (740 km)
    2. domnich
      domnich 20 November 2017 19: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Romanenko
      Quote: “total 12 miles with tabular 700 mile range”


      It would probably be correct to write "range 700 miles offshore 12 miles"(a river boat). There is also such a thing as a distance from the basing places (for boats, as a rule, no more than 50 miles), but the article does not mention this.
  6. HAM
    HAM 20 November 2017 14: 27 New
    +1
    Probably in the ranks of the Ukrainian admirals, a solid replenishment (up to 20 admiral copies) is expected for each admiral by boat !! Now there are 14 of them, and only 6 boats ...
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 20 November 2017 14: 29 New
    +2
    "... 8-10 units to be used on rivers and lakes ..."
    So Tsar Peter began with rivers and lakes, though more than three hundred years ago! Pig breeders are still ahead!
  8. san4es
    san4es 20 November 2017 14: 35 New
    +4
    30-mm guns and ATGM "Barrier" allow you to fight only with boats of a similar class

    ... or piracy bully
    1. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 20 November 2017 16: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: san4es
      ... or piracy

      but in Somalia did not offer? repeat
      1. san4es
        san4es 20 November 2017 16: 16 New
        +2
        ... No, there the whole area has been "screwed" for a long time bully
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 20 November 2017 16: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: san4es
          ... No, there the whole area has been "screwed" for a long time

          but you can inquire - why and with what? recourse
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 20 November 2017 14: 37 New
    +1
    "they will become the basis of the Ukrainian fleet," it remains to add: "according to Senka and a hat."
    Regarding the seaworthiness of these shells, I doubt: our "Buyan M" are so much more perfect that they had to be "nibbled" to make a sea variant - "karakurt". I remember I was in the first class, and the villagers came on vacation (?), He served at the Black Sea Fleet, and he grabbed me and shook me sharply, and then he says: “lousy yes, but if you get into the sea on a boat in a small storm 100 times worse. "
    It seems to me: the “cruiser” enti are good in estuaries and on rivers to drive poachers (they definitely will not have artillery) or DRGs can be invented, but at sea and against our ships (as some people suggest). DON'T MIX MY COATS! By the way, I am not enthusiastic about the innovations of SK, footcloths if skillfully wound, what could be better? And socks should be made of asbestos or canvas, so as not to be rubbed.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 November 2017 14: 39 New
    +1
    Ukroinskoe know-how, three such fragile shuttles brought together to board each other wassat And on such a "trimaran" to go to sea in good calm weather wassat
  11. evil partisan
    evil partisan 20 November 2017 14: 50 New
    +1
    boats have a very limited patrol range (only 12 miles with a tabular 700-mile sailing range).

    Plus the bonus is hahlyatskaya belay assembly and welding sad . And this is boldly minus 40% of karma yes .
  12. Topotun
    Topotun 20 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +3
    Project 1204, the old Soviet art boats, would be taken as a basis. Still, a 76mm gun, plus 23 mm of the memory, plus MLRS BM14-17 plus .... This already looks like a boat. And the radius of action is greater ... Why rivet ships capable of fighting unless with the smugglers (and even that ...).
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 20 November 2017 23: 06 New
      +3
      The boat was designed at TsKB Almaz, made in Kerch. Ukrainians cannot get design documentation. Probably on the "Gyurza" could be piled something larger than a 30-mm gun, that's just where it to take? Ukraine does not produce artillery barrels. They somehow managed to draw a 30-mm 2A72 cannon, but with large calibers they fail. Buying in the West is a currency.

      It’s just such a level of Ukrainian shipbuilding today. They may and would like to do something else, but they can only do this.
  13. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 20 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +3
    For gabon this is enough with the head.
  14. Seaflame
    Seaflame 20 November 2017 15: 15 New
    +3
    In the Black Sea, very often the excitement is above 2 points. The combat value of such products in the Black Sea basin is low. They would walk along the rivers, well, even along the Sea of ​​Azov.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 21 November 2017 00: 01 New
      0
      Maybe they gathered on the Dniester?
  15. Altona
    Altona 20 November 2017 15: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Burbon
    only bad for ukrvermaht all over

    ------------------------
    Ukrokrigsmarin.
  16. Altona
    Altona 20 November 2017 15: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Seaflame
    In the Black Sea, very often the excitement is above 2 points. The combat value of such products in the Black Sea basin is low. They would walk along the rivers, well, even along the Sea of ​​Azov.

    ---------------------------
    It doesn’t matter, the main thing is that Ukraine has a powerful mosquito fleet. Check and check, cotton! laughing laughing
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 20 November 2017 15: 41 New
    +4
    Coastal / river trough, that’s the whole story!
    The rest is complete nonsense.
    Pan chocolate king boobies denyushku, that’s the whole truth.
  18. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 20 November 2017 18: 22 New
    +6
    To us on the Volga would ride his girls.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 November 2017 23: 30 New
      +3
      He would have told me that he had beaten off the wisps ... escaping, you can. But in fact it’s heavy, slow-moving, not ah how manageable ... but aground, what kind of tug is needed, what would it need to be stranded ???
  19. datur
    datur 21 November 2017 02: 31 New
    0
    they seem to be nothing, provided-30-40 !!! pieces !!!! wink and so-petya-will become even richer !! and what? we have enough of our own !!!! and smarter !!! wink
  20. 76rtbr
    76rtbr 21 November 2017 02: 50 New
    0
    Quote: RASKAT
    Six-row boat with a tower from the Ukrainian BTR-3, nothing more to say. If such achievements please the Ukrainian military, what am I sorry for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. Although it’s not nearly a pity they consider us enemies, which means they need it that way.

    The Danube Flotilla looked more powerful !!
  21. Rzzz
    Rzzz 14 September 2018 01: 39 New
    0
    Sumerians about technical specifications drive the Chota. A 19-meter fiberglass yacht weighs 35 tons. This one is said to be of eight steel and weighs the same, but also with weapons.