The United States will not come to war with the Russians: a secret document has surfaced in Germany

Americans will not come to war with the Russians. In one German archive, a “secret document” was discovered, where it was written in black and white that the White House itself would decide whether to get involved in a new war or stock up on popcorn and watch the war on TV.

The NATO guarantee is a myth. Klaus Wigrefe writes about this in an article for "Spiegel Online". The name of the material itself speaks for itself, you can not translate: "Der Mythos von der Nato-Garantie". Why is the "myth"?

All for one? If someone attacks one country - a member of NATO, then all the other NATO countries should help her? This is how the German federal government explains it! But is it true?

Not! There is no “automatic” commitment to defend another NATO state. This proves the secret document from the German archive.

On the first page in the upper right corner there is a note: "Submitted to the Federal Chancellor." There is also a date: June 11 1955. At that time, the head of the federal government was Konrad Adenauer (CDU).

Just six weeks ago, the Federal Republic joined NATO! The Bundeswehr was not yet, and the security of the republic depended mainly on the determination of the United States, which supposedly were ready to defend the Germans from the attack of Moscow.

In a secret document “Obligations of the United States to the Federal Republic”, lawyers from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs listed everything that the United States had promised. Oddly enough, the Germans received little from the NATO treaty!

The United States did pledge to assist in the event of an attack on one of the other NATO countries, in particular, on the Federal Republic of Germany. However, the Americans have prescribed for themselves a lot of "opportunities for maneuver," indicates "Spiegel."

In the event of an attack on one of the NATO countries, Washington is free to decide whether to “get involved” in the war or “do nothing”. All NATO members are “equal”, and therefore, in fact, it was not only about Germany, but also about all other partners in the alliance.

It turns out that the government of Adenauer "little believed" in the North Atlantic Treaty. That is why in the secret document, then hidden in the archives of the German Foreign Ministry, the lawyers listed everything that Washington agreed to.

Klaus Wigrefe writes with irony that the legal obligations of the United States turned out to be "very modest." At least, this conclusion was made by experts of Herr Adenauer.

However, the current Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has been declaring “NATO commitments” since 2014. Who are these speeches for? Indeed, since the days of Adenauer, the text of the North Atlantic Treaty has not changed!

It turns out, let's add, you need to visit European archives more often. There will be obtained documentary evidence of the US loyalty to the “obligations” and “treaties”. What I want, then I roll back - this is the only principle that businessmen in Washington firmly adhere to. Sell weapon Europe is one thing, but to stick up in a war with the Russians, about which American hawks howl, is quite another. Let the Germans and the Baltic with the Poles and fight against the Russians, if they so wish. For the freedom of Ukraine. Americans once again wash their hands.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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Comments

[Observer2014]

All for one? If someone attacks one country - a member of NATO, then all the other NATO countries should help her?

Erdogan has already tested the collector for strength. Some Poles with Baltic states still believe in this garbage. I won’t be surprised if in the event of a heated conflict the British and French would be the first to jerk out from NATO. The Germans would be stubborn. But they would gain the feeling of self-preservation. So, the Poles will be mostly raked. A Baltic states with its military machine this is a statistical error.

[siberalt]

NATO without a real enemy is the essence of a scam for its members.

[Logall]

Why laugh? The United States may leave in the event of an attack by the Russian Federation on any NATO country. But if the United States decides to strike at the Russian Federation, then everything will attack immediately!
Do not forget that Russia is not attacking anyone, and NATO is not an organization for defense. '' Exceptional '' for an attack!

[Wedmak]

But if the United States decides to strike at the Russian Federation, then everything will attack immediately!

It is unlikely that the United States will now risk its citizens. After all, the answer will be and millions will die within an hour. And mainly in the USA. But it’s quite possible and even works in this direction to provoke someone from Europe. And if the trouble begins, the USA, as always, will wash their hands and watch the war on TV, throwing up weapons and ammunition to the actors. They do not care what will happen to Europe, and even more so with other countries. Behind the Atlantic puddle is warm and safe.
True, this time they will already try to finish Russia off completely. And perhaps they will even enter the war, as usual, closer to its end. Or when the Russian military forces are greatly exhausted and thinned.

[Ural resident]

If the United States dares to risk its citizens, the top is worried only about itself and about its nation, that is, English speakers. And the rest - Hispanic and blacks they will not protect. Well, they will move to another place to live - to “ennoble” another country and that’s it.
They are dangerous because they do not have "their citizens."

[Wedmak]

The United States, if anything, risks its citizens

No wonder I said, "Now I will not risk it." But if they weaken us in any way. Moreover, so that losses from a retaliatory strike will be acceptable to them. Then they will fit into us.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Wedmak

No wonder I said, "Now I will not risk it." But if they weaken us in any way. Moreover, so that losses from a retaliatory strike will be acceptable to them. Then they will fit into us.

You correctly said everything in the previous post ..

But it’s quite possible and even works in this direction to provoke someone from Europe. And if the trouble begins, the USA, as always, will wash their hands and watch the war on TV, throwing up weapons and ammunition to the actors.

For this purpose, the armament of Europe is coming (and even then at their expense). The war will begin (if it starts) with Europe, and the states will get in when the winner can be determined. They will not refuse to share a freebie when ...

[Kent0001]

May there be no war other than nuclear. There will be no winners in it. This is me to that

Quote: Wedmak

True, this time they will already try to finish Russia off completely. And perhaps they will even enter the war, as usual, closer to its end. Or when the Russian military forces are greatly exhausted and thinned.

[LSA57]

Quote: Wedmak

But it’s quite possible and even works in this direction to provoke someone from Europe.

the clearest example of urcaine. so much money was not bought, but Russia is not going to war therefore, they turn away from parashkin. did not live up to expectations

[ochakow703]

So what? Well, let’s retreat to the Urals, and then pile on everyone, as it was already more than once. Everything repeats in history. All their power, it is only for squeezing money, but how it comes to the coffins covered with flags ... here it is a completely different alignment.

[Logall]

Yes, I'll see that the Immortals are gathered here ...
Do not breed hatred! We remember the war with Japan ... Yes, and Finnish Russian with difficulty ... With huge losses!

[Same lech]

Yes, I'll see that the Immortals are gathered here.

This is what ... our forum angels against the backdrop of Hollywood bloggers about the immortal savior of America and the world.

[Wedmak]

Yes, our army is not trained to fight such saviors.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Logall

Yes, I'll see that the Immortals are gathered here ...
Do not breed hatred! We remember the war with Japan ... Yes, and Finnish Russian with difficulty ... With huge losses!

And what WWII do not remember?

[ochakow703]

And what exactly did you remember about these wars? Is there a complex? And here I am more Alexander Nevsky, yes Peter the Great, and of course Zhukov and Konev come to mind. And wallow, for be healthy. And no one does not say, including me, that everything will simply be. Everything is already very difficult, but they haven’t been accustomed to throwing hats, as you know, winter can be in Siberia.

[sgazeev]

Quote: ochakow703

So what? Well, let’s retreat to the Urals, and then pile on everyone, as it was already more than once. Everything repeats in history. All their power, it is only for squeezing money, but how it comes to the coffins covered with flags ... here it is a completely different alignment.

Disconnect this word, to the Urals, from consciousness. Modern warfare involves beating a heap over a hill. Instead of a banner above the Reichstag (Bundestag), the plumage of the YaRS will stick out.

[Wedmak]

Instead of a banner above the Reichstag (Bundestag), the plumage of the YRS will stick out.

Well, let the plumage stay on our territory , and in place of the Bundestag there will be a flat area interspersed with glass. However, the same picture expects a lot of places both in our territory and in the EU, the USA and other "well-wishers." How would have to adapt to the new climate. If you are not lucky to evaporate.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Wedmak

Instead of a banner above the Reichstag (Bundestag), the plumage of the YRS will stick out.

Well, let the plumage stay on our territory , and in place of the Bundestag there will be a flat area interspersed with glass. However, the same picture expects a lot of places both in our territory and in the EU, the USA and other "well-wishers." How would have to adapt to the new climate. If you are not lucky to evaporate.

C * sy * those?

[Wedmak]

You are not? This is a normal life process, believe me.

[ochakow703]

It’s in vain that you can’t remove the word Ural, Siberia, Kamchatka, Lada, Crimea from consciousness of a Russian (Tatar, Bashkir, Yakut, etc.) person from consciousness. This is our country, and it was always in case of trouble rose all the way. And about modern warfare, it’s not so categorical, the ordinary infantry Vanya will still throw the last grenade.

[34 region]

08.24. Ochakov! And when they came to us with cola, jeans, chewing gum, dollars. Why didn’t we pile on them then? Why not pile up for doping, for property? Why allowed to take our outskirts?

[ochakow703]

Because the situation made me work day and night, so that my family wouldn’t go hungry, and I wouldn’t have enough time for politicians, demonstrations and other crap, and for millions of other people. And if you have already become the prosecutor, then take into account the fact that during the years of Soviet power we are used to (or we have been accustomed to) that decisions emanating from the Kremlin are the ultimate truth.

[Setrac]

Quote: Region 34

Why allowed to take our outskirts?

They are now "driven through the wilderness" as the Jews once were.

[The black]

Well, in fact, it’s not easy to impose sanctions on a country with which there is almost no trade. The Americans, in fact, have to impose sanctions not on Russia, but on EU countries in order to force them to abandon trade with the Russian Federation. And their discontent is already reflected in the US economy

[andrej-shironov]

Lord Another hat-taker.

[myobius59]

Do not write nonsense. Before you write this, think carefully. Maybe in my head it brightens.

[To be or not to be]

Nothing new in US politics !!

«If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if Russia will win, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible, although I do not want to see Hitler in the winners under any circumstances. ”

(New York Times, 24.06.1941/1884/1972, Harry S. Truman, his middle name was just the initial "S"; 33 - 1945) - US statesman, 1953rd US president in XNUMX-XNUMX, from Democratic Party: He made anti-Sovietism the official US policy in relations with the socialist camp, the author of the concept of containing communism through the Cold War.)

[Alber]

Quote: Logall

Why laugh? The United States may leave in the event of an attack by the Russian Federation on any NATO country. But if the United States decides to strike at the Russian Federation, then everything will attack immediately!
Do not forget that Russia is not attacking anyone, and NATO is not an organization for defense. '' Exceptional '' for an attack!

NATO - a pack of hyenas ... And hyenas attack a pack
Although amerikosy lovers fight at a distance or by proxy

[Shura Perm]

War is war, and business is business ...

[Cheshire]

Only do not show ukram documents, because they believe that everyone will rip the rolls for them, flawed.

[Anarchist]

Nobody believes in anything! Everyone knows that the West does not care about Ukraine! And those who are pulling the country into NATO are indifferent to the fate of a three-tooth.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Observer2014

All for one? If someone attacks one country - a member of NATO, then all the other NATO countries should help her?

Erdogan has already tested the collector for strength. Some Poles with Baltic states still believe in this garbage. I won’t be surprised if in the event of a heated conflict the British and French would be the first to jerk out from NATO. The Germans would be stubborn. But they would gain the feeling of self-preservation. So, the Poles will be mostly raked. A Baltic states with its military machine this is a statistical error.

And not only Britons, Czechs with Slovaks, Magyars, Bulgarians with Romanians, paddles, remember the year 1812, there will be logs with sprats-labus and then logs will disown them.

[Maz]

And that no one is surprised?

[Vend]

Quote: Observer2014

All for one? If someone attacks one country - a member of NATO, then all the other NATO countries should help her?

Erdogan has already tested the collector for strength. Some Poles with Baltic states still believe in this garbage. I won’t be surprised if in the event of a heated conflict the British and French would be the first to jerk out from NATO. The Germans would be stubborn. But they would gain the feeling of self-preservation. So, the Poles will be mostly raked. A Baltic states with its military machine this is a statistical error.

This is an old American game, called the deception of a European and get grandmothers from him.

[LSA57]

Quote: Observer2014

I won’t be surprised if, in the event of a heated conflict, the British and French were the first to jerk out of NATO.

Somehow, during the time of Brezhnev, the then President of France was brought to the training ground and showed the launch of 10 ballistic missiles. He was shocked.
- And eo is aimed at France.
- And to France too
- And to Paris?
- And to Paris.
“But how is it possible?” This is the center of European culture ... the Louvre ...
- And there is the headquarters of the NAO.
The President left. A week later, the headquarters moved to Brussels, and a month later France left NATO

[ver_]

... you can think to get used to the pshek ... if you still have to scrape it on your ridge .. there’s no more stupid thing to harness for them .. they can be torn out of the Bandera as they are

[dSK]

The habit of raking in heat with the wrong hands grows into character, and then into fate.

[dog breeder]

You're right! The USA was created not to fight, but to store and squander the gold reserves of partner countries! Like, go, fight, and we will beat up the feather-bed at your parish! ... our ...

[34 region]

07.49. The dog breeder! Well, like the slogan-Forward eagles! And I am yours! What is this talking about? The main thing is wise leadership! And the United States knows it perfectly. Here they have no competitors. It's a pity.

[Grandfather]

The White House will decide

the question is what is meant by the "white house".

[79807420129]

Quote: Dead Day

the question is what is meant by the "white house".

Here is the Colleague, what is meant.

[salad]

The Germans remember Lyuli, so they hid the documents)))))))) to show everyone that it is better to be friends with the Russians, otherwise they will come drunk on bears with balalaikas))))))

[dog breeder]

... and they will make everyone drink vodka, sing obscene ditties and dance! So what?

[34 region]

07.21. Salad! Oh well! The Americans just came with their Coke, jeans and chewing gum, and the Russians gave up for this Coke with chewing gum and jeans in the 90s! Where is the resistance of the Russians? But not him! From the word, absolutely! How many countries have our vodka, balalaika and bears subjugated to themselves?

[Same lech]

But 5 NATO article ... read.

Article 5

“The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of these, in the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense, recognized by Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, will assist the Contracting Party subjected to, or the Contracting Parties msya such attacks by the immediate implementation of such individual or joint action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. "

deems necessary

... We pay special attention to these words.
But on the other hand, I doubt that, for example, the Bulgarian troops or the Greek army will rush enthusiastically into the battle against Russia ... most likely they will be famous Russophobes ... the Balts, Poles, Anglo-Saxons.
The French, Germans, remembering the fate of their ancestors in the fields of Russia, are least likely to show a desire to fight with the Russians.

[Bashibuzuk]

Formulations that do not imply absolute action, i.e. inevitable action -
".... the parties agree ..... will be considered as .... agree that ... in the exercise of the right to an individual or .... by immediate exercise this individual or joint action, which it considers necessary including ... "
This is a declaration of intent, and nothing more.
Each side, each state has the right to determine for itself whether it is necessary or not .... to get involved.
Oh and wise crooks.

[Skay]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

such individual or collective action as it considers necessary

For me, so are the keywords. Not a lawyer, but I see no obligation to meet one NATO member after another. The action can be any. You can, of course, and shake. You can throw up weapons, you can pipifax, or you can just express deep concern.

[34 region]

07.21. Lyokha! Actually, it’s stupid to blame Russia on military force. As history shows, Russia cannot be taken by military force. But here is the interesting thing. As soon as foreign armies are driven back, Russia begins to ask foreigners to come to Russia. It’s strange. That Russia expels foreigners. then invites! Why? Looks like Peter called, and Catherine, and around Nicholas II how many foreigners circled! Yes, and today we are browing inviting foreigners? Why? Then we invite them, then we give in the face. Can Russia be determined? Invite or hit in the face? Or integrate into their system? Russia has destroyed its system. The elite is mowing to the West. For her, the West is the standard and God! And how, in this situation, to fight the West if we ourselves invite them ???

[Same lech]

The elite is mowing to the West. For her, the West is the standard and God!

There is such a problem ... and it is not new .
In many countries, the national elite is imprisoned to protect the interests of their country, and only in our country is there any kind of unnatural bias towards foreigners ... the problem is solved only at the state level.

[34 region]

10.23. Lyokha! *** In many countries, the national elite is imprisoned to protect the interests of their country and only in our country is there any kind of unnatural bias towards foreigners ... the problem is solved only at the state level. *** Damn! You nailed it! And nothing to cover!

[Elevator in the building]

Thanks, interested. Everything is as always: allies are such "allies" ..

[svp67]

US will not come to war ....

Yes, they will come, but only when the future winner will clearly become clear. And on whose side they will be Germans or Russians, the second thing ....

[pvv113]

But they will try to extract material benefit in any situation

[svp67]

Quote: pvv113

But they will try to extract material benefit in any situation

I don’t even doubt it ....

[pvv113]

As the saying goes: to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear

[rotmistr60]

Americans will not come to war with the Russians

It seems to me that serious German politicians understand this very well. As well as the fact that the United States made Europe a hostage in its imperial and military plans, exposing Russia to attack. The Germans can only deal with complacency recalling the notorious article of the NATO Treaty from time to time.

[bald]

DAAAA - damn it, survived and where will they carry it now ?!

[shinobi]

So it’s like a secret, and it’s not a secret at all. Or rather, it’s a secret for the western man in the street, because you need to dig into the documents. Although I would sometimes read for a start. The Yankees never hid this. We’ve got you a weapon, for your money again Well, but the meat is yours for him. Business. And whatever the business is, the weapons should decrease. And this requires war. That's the whole logic.

[Herculesic]

Of US Obligations to NATO Allies We are gods and you lo-hee , our business is to promise , your duty to fulfill all that we say, and in general, in the event of war, each for itself!

[rocket757]

The same German is better to remember what the Iron Chancellor said !!! Bismarck! ... the Fuhrer could not boast of memorability! for sho and got a logical result.
For the alliance with the Britons!?!?!? ... this sales is not funny, do the Geyropean little girls remember nothing at all? recently, everything was there, also a generation, for those events, not everything has gone into another world !!!

[Altona]

In general, the Americans clearly formulated their attitude towards alliance during the Second World War, where one of the principles stated that "we will help the side that is currently losing, so that the warring parties will most strongly bleed each other." And then to fall on a completely exhausted and exhausted loser to dictate his conditions to him. As happened with Germany.

[gorunov]

It is urgent to attack until the agreement has been rewritten

[Altona]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

deems necessary
... smile pay special attention to these words.

---------------------------------
The right to conduct hostilities by a country must be supported by the parliament of that country, otherwise it is illegitimate. And you yourself understand that it will still take some time.

[askort154]

And without archives, the US strategy is clear. One on one, do not fight with a strong opponent.

[zulusuluz]

It seems to me alone that Europe will not grow wiser even after that?

[Nitarius]

In short, if that .. you here without us solve your problems)))

[driver]

And who is going to fight Europe? Will they create battalions of migrants? Or maybe transgender people and other sholupon will wander? They need to deal with migrants. Ane to prepare for war!

[Wedmak]

Well, they were already calculating how much they could hold out against us. That way, if you figure it out, they will last two months. Well, if all the EU is together. While the United States will bring equipment on ships and planes, put up tents and McDonald’s, equip observation platforms. Or they won’t bring it. And they will express deep concern about the tension in Europe. It’s also an action.

[bald]

And didn’t you try to go to the toilet? ---- Helps? The Baltic States will also help you

[Eurodav]

Here is the answer to those who, yesterday, in my opinion, wrote that yes, we are strong, but NATO cannot resist all of them ... What is everything in FIG? Which alliance? Everything on paper, for intimidation ... But in fact, a bubble!

[Popovich]

Quote: Logall

All for one?

All for one ..

in the meantime let the contributions pay

[Vanek]

Americans will not come to war with the Russians.

The wind blows from the sea
And the moon has risen.
What are you B.L.I.T.Y.G.A.,
At night did not come?

You did not come at night,
Not a day.
We thought the draw .. (ananized)?
NO !!, OTHERS, E., Y., M. (fertilize) !!!

S.A. Yesenin.

[Bashibuzuk]

The wording in claim 5 does not imply absolute action, i.e. inevitable action -
".... the parties agree ..... will be considered as .... agree that ... in the exercise of the right to an individual or .... by the immediate exercise of such an individual or joint action that it considers necessary including ... "
This is a declaration of intent, and nothing more.
Each side, each state has the right to determine for itself whether it is necessary or not .... to get involved.
Oh and wise crooks.
He considers it necessary ... or does not consider it ..... and then half a year of debate in the House of Representatives, the Senate and adoption by the President. That sometimes the war will end .... only grandmas will be counted. Intended Marshall Plan.

[voyaka uh]

The letter was official, to the Chancellor of Germany. And he agreed
with letter points. So - everything is fair. America played open
without hiding your decisions.

[Bashibuzuk]

And who, what against? None. Everyone unanimously agrees that America "don’t put a finger in your mouth", will gnaw off everything completely, by the very balls. And legally.
We are simply surprised at the Germans, whose eyes, like kittens, suddenly erupted.
And even that, I doubt very much that Bild, say, or Spiegel, or some other good publications will publish such a thing. It’s not a simple thing to delve into cunning, they have a different task - approving, paying taxes and expanding the base. Taxable.
As, however, and everywhere.
This is only at your place, and in Switzerland, it is allowed to own and carry open weapons. But the Americans and that can not walk around with trunks. Not to mention us.

[Sergey53]

So no one doubted that. His shirt is closer to the body.

[Going]

Let the Germans and Baltic with the Poles and fight against the Russians, if they so wish. For the freedom of Ukraine. Americans will wash their hands again.

I do not believe that it reached them, well, maybe some politicians who are not in power.

[andrej-shironov]

Since then, a lot of water has flowed! Then there was the USSR, which the Americans were afraid of, and therefore were safe. Now there is Russia with a comprador government, which the Americans are never afraid of! So it’s not worth the joy. Leave the caps on yourself, it will suddenly be cold.

[Strashila]

And according to this document, they arrived at the situation in the Crimea in 2014 ... their fleet was urgently leaked to Turkey.

[afrikanez]

An article for those who firmly believe in the "invincibility" of NATO!

[ROM1077]

this is to reassure the Russians wrote

[zibo1668]

As it turned out at a recent NATO summit, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization no longer considers the Russian Federation as a strategic adversary ... It considers the Russian Federation a strategic catch.

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

No, these people surprise me. Do they all have some kind of brain damage? What did they hope for? Or were there any precedents?

[Victor-M]

The United States did pledge to assist in the event of an attack on one of the other NATO countries, in particular, on the Federal Republic of Germany. However, the Americans have prescribed for themselves a lot of "opportunities for maneuver," indicates "Spiegel."

It will be something like this, Europe and Russia will hammer each other, and the Americans, as in the Second World War, will wait until their resources are exhausted, and then the referee, in the person of the Americans, will come and defeat everyone.

[Dark_Filin]

The author did not fully tell the article. But a very important thing is written there - precisely because the United States does not have obligations under the treaty, the Germans and other NATO countries are striving to have a NATO base with American troops. Because hitting the US forces will force the US to intervene.

[zibo1668]

Ancient NATO wisdom says: "Take care and protect Russia! For there is no Russia - there are no billions from the Congress for defense."

[Wolka]

Here is the wiring, in fact, the NATO pyramid is similar to MMM ...

[earloop]

America! "Tomato juice"!. A part of the land surrounded by oceans, on which at one time, having put their “tails” away, fled from Europe, and many “patriots” caught up with lyuley. Descendants of "patriots and various fighters" these events are inherited. And do they need this? Looking up from the cola and burger, repeat the horror of the salvation of their ancestors. Of course not. And without archival papers clearly.

[Mentat]

Quote: 34 region

08.24. Ochakov! And when they came to us with cola, jeans, chewing gum, dollars. Why didn’t we pile on them then?

Because too many wanted, no, longed to try cola, jeans, chewing gum and 2 leather jackets. As a result, we gained valuable experience through beatie, which determines consciousness.

Why not pile up for doping, for property? Why allowed to take our outskirts?

Are you up to date with everything and everything? Why is there such confidence that the United States has not received an answer in another, “asymmetric” area? Have you personally been reported?
By the way, people who for any reason tear up a vest and run after someone to shoot a machine gun are at least called copper-faced.

[Valery Saitov]

It turns out, we add, you need to visit the European archives more often.))) Interestingly, do they have such an agreement or have they sent it to the dump for a long time?

[leonid-zherebtcov]

Without words and comments ...