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Unfair survey

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Read the article by Evgeny Leonov “Honest survey»And decided to reply to the author, but not in the comments, but as a separate article, since The topic, in my opinion, is important and very relevant. I think many interesting today.


Unfair survey


Comparison of the relics of saints with the mummy of Lenin is considered incorrect. Eugene writes that both the relics of the saints and the body of Ilyich are symbols, objects of worship of people for whom the identity of the deceased was and remains an important element of our storieswho honor and respect the contribution of this person to the development of the country and the people. Such a statement reveals the author’s misunderstanding of the meaning of Christian veneration both the saints themselves and their relics. This, by the way, is a common feature for all those who today are trying to polemize on this topic. They, not understanding the essence of the Christian cult of the saints, nevertheless calmly give him an assessment and draw parallels.

In fact, for Christians, a holy man is one who, during his lifetime, acquired the Holy Spirit, that is, reached the level of holiness that the Holy Spirit dwelt in him, so abundantly, that the body was perishable with its energy (by grace, in our ). With this energy, the saint during his lifetime worked miracles, healings, etc. And after his physical death, the Spirit of God continues to work through his remains. Now it’s not about whether it’s right to believe in this or whether it’s all wild superstition. I just want to explain to the readers and the author of the above article the essence of the Christian understanding of these things, so that they understand how much the body cult of Ilyich differs from it.

Even according to formal signs, the veneration of the relics of the saints and the body of Lenin are very much different. The relics of the saints are exhibited for worship in temples and monasteries, i.e. in places where Christian believers go. Let us go down to vulgarity and say that these are “interest clubs” for believers where they come, united by common values. They do not run through the streets (as opposed to sectarians) and do not invite passers-by to their divine services, they quietly come to the place where they can, including worshiping holy relics. The body of Ilyich is displayed on the main square of the country as a kind of national shrine, a national symbol.

And the most important difference is this. Christians believe in God, they believe that the Holy Spirit adored a man for his virtuous life or sacrificial feat, and thereby sanctified his body, which after death is not subjected to corruption. When worshiping the relics, Christians do not worship the body, but God, who consecrated this body and created its miracles through it. And to whom do atheist communists worship as the mummified body of Ilyich? After all, they do not believe in the afterlife, nor in God. So why do you need this cult, whose is it? Who do they worship, coming to the mausoleum and standing at the coffin with a lifeless body, which, according to their own views, is nothing more than a piece of meat, in which the process of decomposition is inhibited by the influence of chemical compounds?

To bury Lenin's body or not, only his relatives could decide in a good way. But since there are no such people left, and, considering that there are really a lot of people who honor him and want to be able to come to his body and worship him, then it would be quite possible not to bury him. But forgive me, leaving it on the central square of the country in the form of a national symbol is a bust. Please make a separate crypt on Vagankovsky or else where and put it there, let the fans walk and bow. But to compare the worship of the relics of the saints and the embalmed corpse of a man whose activities, in the opinion of a great number of our fellow men, were clearly anti-popular, at least absurd. Moreover, to make these two phenomena the subject of a survey, linking one with the other.

Finally, the last. The author, summing up, writes: "Either we take into account the interests of all, or every man for himself, and farewell to the state." Handsomely. But why then do not take into account the interests of the same LGBT activists? There are people for whom the phallus is a deity. Well, they have that right. And if they want to establish a phallic idol somewhere in Moscow, even if not in the center, then no one has the right to interfere with them. Why are we against gay parades then? Don't people have the right to show what is dear to them? Do you understand what I'm getting at? To the fact that if we allow everything to everyone just because “there are people who believe in it,” it is then that we will receive “goodbye, the state”. And by the way, thanks to the efforts of Ilyich, we almost got it 100 years ago. And the consequences of his national policy are bleeding now in the Donbas.

The state should have one dominant value system. Yes, there are many peoples and faiths in Russia, it has always been so. And they should all have a place in Russia. Your place! And the strange cult of Ilyich, since he still has his followers, must have his place. And it is clearly not in the center of the Russian consciousness.
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  1. Nonna
    Nonna 10 November 2017 06: 21 New
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    There is no cult of Ilyich. The mausoleum and mummy of Lenin is our story. Good or bad, it doesn't matter. Mausoleums are in many countries of the world, starting with Egypt, the pyramid of Cheops - why not a mausoleum? Tourists like it. What does it have to bury in a Christian way. Museums save, not bury.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 10 November 2017 06: 27 New
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      I’ll answer the author .. You write nonsense. I’ll keep silent about Christianity. I have my own cockroaches there. Yes, they don’t call in the temples, just like in the mausoleum. Yes, they don’t touch the temples and, moreover, they give them buildings and territory. And do not touch mausoleum. So do not go there where you are not asked!
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 10 November 2017 06: 48 New
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        I especially liked about who they consider to be saints. It’s easy to check, just see who has been canonized recently. Look - you will be fucked.
        1. Putinets
          Putinets 10 November 2017 07: 12 New
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          More specifically? I don’t take Nikolash with the family, a politician. And who do you mean? If the new martyrs, then the martyrs of the first centuries were also not virtuous. The author had in mind the reverends — there is such a category of saints, these are monks, only real ones, and not fattened “black firebrands”, at which the Greeks laugh at Athos. And Nikolash is a tribute only to reconciliation with the Church Abroad. Politics. By the way, half of the priests was against the canonization of Nikolasha. But discipline. So who do you mean?
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 10 November 2017 11: 26 New
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            Quote: Putin
            More specifically? I don’t take Nikolash with the family, a politician. And who do you mean? If the new martyrs, then the martyrs of the first centuries were also not virtuous. The author had in mind the reverends — there is such a category of saints, these are monks, only real ones, and not fattened “black firebrands”, at which the Greeks laugh at Athos. And Nikolash is a tribute only to reconciliation with the Church Abroad. Politics. By the way, half of the priests was against the canonization of Nikolasha. But discipline. So who do you mean?

            Are you talking about Vera or about the politician? If politics interferes with the affairs of the Faith, then this is not a problem of politics, but the problem of Faith. It turns out that you, for the sake of politics, can back off from Vera, then back down, back down there and that remains from Vera, camouflage and a screen for turning things around. "half of the priests was against the canonization of Nikolas. But discipline" what discipline can there be in Faith in God, what kind of vote? In fact, you have proved here that the Church has no relation to God, and this is a kind of LLC for the organization of rites and leisure of believers, with its own hierarchy, politics and discipline.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 10 November 2017 12: 31 New
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              Quote: E_V_N
              Are you talking about Vera or about the politician? If politics interferes with the affairs of the Faith, then this is not a problem of politics, but the problem of Faith.

              Right? And then that.
              According to insider sources, a visit to Russia by the 105th Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Wembley agreed to the Moscow Patriarchate will mainly be devoted to the prospects of restoring the monarchy in Russia and the possibility of inviting a representative of the Windsor dynasty who profess Orthodoxy to the throne
              Who is interfering where and for what demon Russia needs the English extortion on the throne?
              1. Antianglosax
                Antianglosax 10 November 2017 18: 23 New
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                Through the efforts of Ilyich, we received a great Power, through the efforts of Nikolashka, the Russian Orthodox Church, and liberals, only a great deal! The canonization is carried out by the Russian Orthodox Church with great contradictions, both by personalities and by the choice of the moment of reckoning as saints, i.e. continuation of the policy.
                Faith and the Russian Orthodox Church, too, would not be bad to distinguish.
          2. Pushkar
            Pushkar 10 November 2017 11: 59 New
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            Quote: Putin
            So who do you mean?
            Well, at least Vlasova A.A.
            http://www.bbc.com/russian/russia/2009/09/090909_
            vlasov_church_traitor
        2. Sergey-svs
          Sergey-svs 10 November 2017 07: 17 New
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          Quote: Shurale
          I especially liked about who they consider to be saints. It’s easy to check, just see who has been canonized recently. Look - you will be fucked.

          As the saying goes, one does not have to go far: Nikolai 2, a man who is nicknamed "bloody", who lost two wars and brought the country to poverty and ruin, is now "HOLY" and he needs to be worshiped !!! fool What kind of merit is this to the fatherland ?! negative Marxism-Leninism correctly teaches: Religion is opium for the people! yes
          Quote: Putin
          More specifically? I don’t take Nikolash with the family, a politician .... But Nikolasha is a tribute only to reconciliation with the Church Abroad. Politics.

          Yes, you can justify everything at all - like it's just politics! negative Let's then also Gorbachev canonize, he also did a lot of things for the West! stop
          1. Putinets
            Putinets 10 November 2017 07: 45 New
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            In order to canonize Humpback, he first needs to be in a coffin ... And not the fact that after 50 years they will not extol him
            As for Marxism-Leninism ... It was from it that religion was made. I remember it very well.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 20 New
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              Quote: Putin
              As for Marxism-Leninism ... It was from it that religion was made. I remember it very well.

              Unfortunately, yes. We turned it into a Dogma, and those who were obliged to develop the Idea either lacked intelligence or were reborn .. that’s why they got the Gorbachev’s and the Yeltsin’s ..
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 11 November 2017 20: 11 New
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                Well, yes.
                And who do the atheist communists worship in the form of the mummified body of Ilyich? After all, they do not believe in the afterlife, nor in God.
                Atheists are those who do not believe in anything sacred. And the Communists of a certain kind have holy things - this is the "doctrine of Marxism-Leninism", the manifest manifestation of which is the unfortunate mummified uncle in the mausoleum.
                I personally feel sorry for Lenin. Why deprived the poor fellow afterlife? Well, he was severe, so then not a single world leader of bloodsucking escaped, it was simply not customary to almonds. but of them they did not expose anyone to a dried carcass, buried quietly. What are such abuses for the body?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 11 November 2017 20: 16 New
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                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  I personally L

                  Your personal, hell of a dirty spill.
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  Atheists are those who do not believe in anything sacred.

                  Lies.
                  Atheism is a methodological position that invalidates the theological scheme of explanations.
                  For centuries, atheists were persecuted, bonfires and curses paid by the Church for trying to doubt and seek valid knowledge.
                  But since then, much has changed.
                  People have gained the right to be different.
                  Modern atheism is based on an analysis of the social and epistemological origins of religion, the history of religion, and the methods of justification that the church uses.
                  Atheism cannot be confused with the unreasonable godlessness of an uneducated person.
            2. gavrila2984
              gavrila2984 10 November 2017 11: 25 New
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              In order to canonize Humpback, he must be shot as a Nikolashka in the basement; not about this you? And what? Also a passion-bearer will succeed. That's what his powers will be kissed! I would have looked at it.
              1. stas52
                stas52 14 November 2017 14: 43 New
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                I completely agree with you. Nicholas is not worthy of canonization, if only for the fact that he left the country (abdicated) at a bad moment. He probably got his bullet for good reason, his only children, yes they got their bullets for nothing, but it was like that and it’s not for us to judge, we did not live at that time and do not know, but most likely we will never know all the nuances of that situation. So what am I leading to? The only ones worthy of canonization from their family are children, and even that is in question.
                About V.I. Lenin in Finland, he is depicted on the icons, that is, canonized. Google and you can admire these icons. True, in some places Hitler is also depicted on icons, which speaks far from in favor of the church.
                In general, the slogan "We are not like this, such a life" did not come from 90's, but from the church. Which, like a chameleon, adapts to the needs of a given day.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 November 2017 07: 49 New
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            Quote: Sergey-svs
            Quote: Shurale
            I especially liked about who they consider to be saints. It’s easy to check, just see who has been canonized recently. Look - you will be fucked.

            As the saying goes, one does not have to go far: Nikolai 2, a man who is nicknamed "bloody", who lost two wars and brought the country to poverty and ruin, is now "HOLY" and he needs to be worshiped !!! fool What kind of merit is this to the fatherland ?! negative Marxism-Leninism correctly teaches: Religion is opium for the people! yes
            Quote: Putin
            More specifically? I don’t take Nikolash with the family, a politician .... But Nikolasha is a tribute only to reconciliation with the Church Abroad. Politics.

            Yes, you can justify everything at all - like it's just politics! negative Let's then also Gorbachev canonize, he also did a lot of things for the West! stop

            Nicholas 2 is not a saint, but a martyr.
            Regarding religion - Gd, in my opinion, is one for all, and religion is business, but if faith and cult make a person “good”, then it is worthy of respect. Lenin and the mausoleum are part of history, power is part of faith. And both must be treated with Respect, and if you do not like it, do not attend temples and the mausoleum.
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 10 November 2017 09: 55 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              Regarding religion - Gd, in my opinion, is one for all, and religion is business, but if faith and cult make a person “good”, then it is worthy of respect.

              It, of course, is possible without priests, God alone! Our "brothers in Christ" from the West went exactly this way and now animals and people are crowned in churches, ordain sodomites in the pastors, baptize the dead, forbid blood transfusions ... By the way, it is urgent to separate “knowledge” from “science” ", and then" parasites-scientists "hide from us" knowledge "about" ancient Russians "and do not show the corpses of reptilians.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 10 November 2017 10: 18 New
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                Adept of the sect "Scientists against myths"?
                Priests - they are different. Like scientists. Sometimes such obscurantists come across, kindly-expensive.
                Just recently, one of yours, a certain Klim Zhukov, gurgled and squirted about genetics. Who is your historian there?
                1. EwgenyZ
                  EwgenyZ 10 November 2017 11: 09 New
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                  Well, I’m talking about this - do not smear all Mr. ... One of the 12 apostles turned out to be a thief and a traitor, and since then nothing has changed. Both then and now there are righteous in robes, and there are “Judah” in robes.
                  I cited the example of Western Christians for adherents as "separate faith from religion."
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 10 November 2017 07: 22 New
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        In China, Mao is not buried and he lies in the Mausoleum in the center of Beijing and no discussions on this subject!
        1. BAI
          BAI 10 November 2017 14: 24 New
          +5
          In China, Mao is not buried and he lies in the Mausoleum in the center of Beijing

          You can add Pirogov in Vinnitsa, Ho Chi Minh in Hanoi.
        2. MrK
          MrK 10 November 2017 20: 07 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          In China, Mao is not buried and he lies in the Mausoleum in the center of Beijing and no discussions on this subject!


          I agree. Already wrote. I repeat.
          Well, as you do not understand. If Lenin is reburied, then in Russia right there:
          - corruption, kickbacks, cuts and theft of budget money will disappear.
          - pensions will triple.
          - The number of modern plants will increase by a factor of 100 and, as Putin promised, 20 million high-tech jobs will appear.
          - the teacher’s salary will be such that the competition for the place of mathematics is 15 people.
          - in a year they will start distributing apartments for free. Etc.
          So friends are all behind the shovels and running to dig a grave for Lenin. And do not grumble figs. Or are you all, as deputies of the State Duma, get 500 thousand per month?
        3. Litvinov
          Litvinov 10 November 2017 23: 12 New
          +5
          It was enough to roll the dissidents to the Tiananmen in 1989 on the asphalt. and the Chinese celebrate November 7, honor Lenin, Stalin and Mao. That’s the whole secret. Smash 5 column and many contradictions in society will disappear.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 November 2017 07: 42 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        And do not touch the mausoleum. So do not go there where you are not asked!

        I agree!!!
        But to many adherents of the "funeral" of Lenin, I want to remind you that it was just past the Lenin Mausoleum that the fighters went into battle in November 1941, and it was the defeated fascist standards that were thrown to the Lenin Mausoleum.
        Lenin is a whole era, a great era in the history of our country and there is no need to speculate on this topic.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 10 November 2017 07: 44 New
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          Moreover, I am sure that the clergy will require a place from the mausoleum for the construction of another temple ..
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: 210ox
          And do not touch the mausoleum. So do not go there where you are not asked!

          I agree!!!
          But to many adherents of the "funeral" of Lenin, I want to remind you that it was just past the Lenin Mausoleum that the fighters went into battle in November 1941, and it was the defeated fascist standards that were thrown to the Lenin Mausoleum.
          Lenin is a whole era, a great era in the history of our country and there is no need to speculate on this topic.
        2. SCHWERIN
          SCHWERIN 10 November 2017 07: 55 New
          +5
          Or maybe at the feet of the Supreme Commander?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 November 2017 08: 21 New
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            Quote: SCHWERIN
            Or maybe at the feet of the Supreme Commander?

            no need to invent. stop
            1. SCHWERIN
              SCHWERIN 10 November 2017 10: 58 New
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              "The Legionnaires gathered 74 banners of enemies at the foot of the hill and threw them at Caesar's feet." Battle of Alesia.
              And I do not need to invent. The tradition is old. They threw banners at the feet of the victorious commander. It comes from the depths of centuries. The spectacle is impressive, especially on Red Square.
              For me it was I.V. Stalin is the leader of the USSR. And you can invent. Besides the Mausoleum, the Politburo was also there. Lenin.
          2. captain
            captain 10 November 2017 09: 06 New
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            Quote: SCHWERIN
            Or maybe at the feet of the Supreme Commander?

            Absolutely right.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 27 New
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              Quote: captain
              Absolutely right.

              Teach history. Namely to the Mausoleum, as the personification of the Idea of ​​a country that overturned you, like you in dust, in 1945.
              Learn, read Stalin, and not fudge all sorts of Radzinsky and brewers.
              However, here, the answer seems to be who in essence you and yours are.
              This is not even an attempt to offend your tender feelings, it is a harsh reality.
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              1. SCHWERIN
                SCHWERIN 10 November 2017 16: 07 New
                +3
                Teach history. It is to the Mausoleum, as the personification of the Idea of ​​a country that overturned you, like you in dust, in 1945

                Well, funny !!!! Yes, I was not there at that time either. But my grandfather, an officer of the NKVD, raised the Marines on the Nevsky Pyatochka to attack. He fought with the German residency in the besieged Leningrad. NKVD officers in the most difficult conditions of the blockade eliminated a powerful German nest
                Father in besieged Leningrad served as a technician at the airport, preparing planes for departure.
                What rights do you have to sculpt on me and those who disagree with you and have a different opinion about the events and your point of view. Tashkent division?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 26 New
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                  Quote: SCHWERIN
                  But my grandfather, an officer of the NKVD, raised the Marines on the Nevsky Pyatochka to attack. He fought with the German residency in the besieged Leningrad. NKVD officers in the most difficult conditions of the blockade eliminated a powerful German nest
                  Father in besieged Leningrad served as a technician at the airport, preparing planes for departure.

                  Here they are, honor and praise. But do not hide behind their backs, they served the USSR, they had an oath and a party card, and you?
                  Spit on what your grandfather and father believed in?
                  1. SCHWERIN
                    SCHWERIN 10 November 2017 17: 05 New
                    +2
                    He had an oath and a party card. Commander of the warhead-3. The party ticket was canceled on its own after your leader Gorbachev, who was pushing you off the screen, and you and your wife approved his ideas while sitting in the kitchen, canceled the Party and the USSR.
                    But what my grandfather and father believed in, I do not know. They just served. Is that bad?
                    And about Ilyich .... I will not go to rally for his burial or the continuation of the tomb. Because I know that it does not depend on me. I also know that if Ilyich is taken out, then the pantheon on Red Square must be disassembled. And the situation is such that there is no longer upheaval in the country. Who will go to fight for their homeland? Sobchak and Broom? The authorities know this.
                    So don’t worry. They will leave you the Mausoleum for another 50 years.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 10 November 2017 19: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: SCHWERIN
                      The party ticket was canceled on its own after your leader Gorbachev, who was pushing you off the screen, and you and your wife approved his ideas while sitting in the kitchen, canceled the Party and the USSR.

                      Do not shift your blame onto others. Unlike you, I did not belong to the party, and now I am not a member of any.
                      Yeltsin gave you something ... what and where it is of no interest to me, but in fact you have surrendered both the country and the party. I, unlike you, did not approve of Gorbachev, with his emptiness in speeches, and even more so EBN, having been on a business trip to places where he ruled .. a sad sight, and to trust him, not to respect himself.
                      Quote: SCHWERIN
                      I will not go to rally for burial him or the continuation of the tomb. Because I know that it does not depend on me. I also know that if Ilyich is taken out, then the pantheon on Red Square must be disassembled. And the situation is such that there is no longer upheaval in the country. Who will go to fight for their homeland? Sobchak and Broom? The authorities know this.

                      Mdya ... well, you answered the question of who benefits from tearing up, if you had understood it earlier, if you hadn’t had a price, and so ... finish dancing to the mute of the country’s ill-wishers ..
          3. looker-on
            looker-on 10 November 2017 12: 42 New
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            The parade of bugs took. The commander in chief was not there. According to the article, the author thanks a lot! Direct thanks. Write more. Lenin-to the ground. Leave the mausoleum and make it a museum of communism. Instead of the inscription "Lenin" write "Remember everyone so as not to happen again"
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 November 2017 14: 18 New
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              Quote: looker-on
              The parade of bugs took. The commander in chief was not there.

              Oops ... And where was the Chairman of the GKO?
              Quote: looker-on
              Lenin-to the ground.

              Justify!
              Quote: looker-on
              Leave the mausoleum and make it a museum of communism

              It’s hooking))) The Museum of Communism can make the whole country, everything that is built now, flies, plowed is the whole legacy of our glorious socialist past. For the sake of simplicity of your understanding, there is tap water and warmth in the house, as well as light, then charge your Chaynovsky iPhone is also Ilyich’s legacy!
              Quote: looker-on
              Instead of the inscription "Lenin" write "Remember everyone so as not to happen again"

              Of course, you are drawn to a torch again, maybe you are a rocky cacol. So break the DnieperGass! Eliminate roads and live "On a farm near Dikanka"
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 November 2017 09: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        I’ll answer the author .. You write nonsense. I’ll keep silent about Christianity. I have my own cockroaches there. Yes, they don’t call in the temples, just like in the mausoleum. Yes, they don’t touch the temples and, moreover, they give them buildings and territory. And do not touch mausoleum. So do not go there where you are not asked!

        The author is absolutely right in everything. Having made it absolutely clear WHAT Orthodox Orthodox saints differ from Ilych.
        Who wants to worship Ichich is his right, but to compare his chemical-pumped remains with Russian saints is utterly utter.
        And the fate of Ilych is a foregone conclusion: the more young people become adults, the less their fans become (they don’t even know him!)
        In the meantime, the authorities are right, do not touch the topic.

        PS question would be Leninists: WHO of them donated money to the All-Russian Mausoleum Conservation Fund? A-NOBODY.

        That's the whole story
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 10 November 2017 10: 08 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Who wants to worship Ichich is his right, but to compare his chemical-pumped remains with Russian saints is utterly utter.

          Well, do not smack nonsense, it’s like you are compared.
          Quote: Olgovich
          And the fate of Ilych is a foregone conclusion: the more young people become adults, the less their fans become (they don’t even know him!)

          It would be so desired for you, but the trouble is not so in reality.
          Quote: Olgovich
          PS question would be to Leninists: WHO donated money to the All-Russian Mausoleum Conservation Fund?

          You hand over to the grave Nemtsov-handed over? Why so?
          Or count how much they spend on the grave of your idol Yeltsin. Doesn't the toad press? Or on the double fence of Sobchak, on the Yeltsin center, a collection of all disgusting public ..
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 10 November 2017 12: 58 New
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            Quote: badens1111

            how much do they spend on the grave of your idol Yeltsin. does not the toad press? Or on the double fence of Sobchak, on the Yeltsin center, a collection of all disgusting public ..

            EBN-YOUR comrade, a true Leninist (according to deeds0, brought up under the Leaders, didn’t they know? belay Deeply disgusting to me, like his henchman of the Germans
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 November 2017 14: 22 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              EBN-YOUR comrade, true Leninist (according to deeds0, brought up under the Leaders, didn’t they know? Belay Deeply disgusting to me, like his protege of the Germans

              And who do you love, colleague? Do you at least explain to someone, or didn’t they give out new manuals to Olgin?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 11 November 2017 09: 33 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Quote: Olgovich
                EBN-YOUR comrade, true Leninist (according to deeds0, brought up under the Leaders, didn’t they know? Belay Deeply disgusting to me, like his protege of the Germans

                And who do you love, colleague? Do you at least explain to someone, or didn’t they give out new manuals to Olgin?

                The Russian people, their savings are the highest value, and not some kind of system (monarchy, advice). And all affairs and all people are evaluated according to one criterion: how useful they were for the savings and happiness of the Russian people.
                As you can see, everything is simple, comrade stroporez!
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 28 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Deeply disgusting to me, like his henchman of the Germans

              Again ... Yeltsin's protege, if you are so afraid to admit it, V. Putin, not a curly-haired womanizer.
              And so that you, the Germans, are the same ...
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 10 November 2017 10: 16 New
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          Olgovich Today, 09:36
          a question for the Leninists: WHO of them donated money to the All-Russian Mausoleum Preservation Fund? A-NOBODY.

          And there was an answer to you. This "fund" is akin to Ostap Bender, who raised money "to repair the failure."
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 10 November 2017 10: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Freeman
            Olgovich Today, 09:36
            a question for the Leninists: WHO of them donated money to the All-Russian Mausoleum Preservation Fund? A-NOBODY.

            And there was an answer to you. This "fund" is akin to Ostap Bender, who raised money "to repair the failure."

            Like r: if not: the money went where it should. But no one gives up. Hanged on the state.
        3. alstr
          alstr 10 November 2017 11: 22 New
          +6
          And who donated money for the storage of mummies in the Hermitage? Also nobody.
        4. gavrila2984
          gavrila2984 10 November 2017 11: 46 New
          +4
          WHO of them donated money to the All-Russian Mausoleum Conservation Fund? Everything, How are taxpayers, whose taxes are used to pay for the maintenance of the mausoleum and body care. And yes, Poklonskaya, Kadyrov, etc. also pay these taxes. The church doesn’t pay .
        5. Sverdlov
          Sverdlov 10 November 2017 14: 18 New
          +5
          And who donated money to the Yeltsin temple? And no one. They were simply taken out of the pocket of all workers without even asking for their opinions.
          1. gavrila2984
            gavrila2984 10 November 2017 18: 26 New
            +2
            It is truth too. You can even dig EBNa yes in his own "temple" to expose as is. As the opposite of Ilyich. It would symbolically work out.
          2. dSK
            dSK 11 November 2017 02: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Sverdlov
            And who donated money to the Yeltsin temple? And no one. They were simply taken out of the pocket of all workers without even asking for their opinions.

            With two hands for the transfer of the mausoleum - the Communist Party and the Yeltsin Center - "United Russia"! For three years now, Siluanov has reduced the budget of countries with a deficit of 3%, and has been increasing public debt. And it will be seen in fact how much they will collect on entrance tickets, will they recoup their costs? How much they are needed by the people.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 11 November 2017 08: 44 New
              0
              Quote: dsk
              With two hands for the transfer of the mausoleum - the Communist Party and the Yeltsin Center - "United Russia"!

              Under one condition, all the talkers in the North and Sakhalin, dig a tunnel and fell down a forest.
        6. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 10 November 2017 19: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          And the fate of Ilych is a foregone conclusion: the more young people become adults, the less their fans become (they don’t even know him!)

          Not fans, but people who grew up in that era and remembering what happened!
          And there are fewer and fewer of them (us), which means that after less than 50 years with the same “patriotic” upbringing, a new generation will rise up and not bury, but bury Ilyich, because no one will remember who he was and what is lying there and will be demolished The mausoleum and put some kind of building ...
          But we will not see it!
      5. E_V_N
        E_V_N 10 November 2017 11: 45 New
        11
        Quote: 210ox
        I’ll answer the author .. You write nonsense. I’ll keep silent about Christianity. I have my own cockroaches there. Yes, they don’t call in the temples, just like in the mausoleum. Yes, they don’t touch the temples and, moreover, they give them buildings and territory. And do not touch mausoleum. So do not go there where you are not asked!

        And I just wanted to answer the author about Christianity. He painted so beautifully about the "imperishable relics".
        Has the author ever seen what is in the caskets with relics? And the expression "lady of relics" of the saint .... is it like, not that the mummy was put up in the mausoleum or the temple, but also it was torn apart and "torn apart" into "pieces"? It’s so straightforward in Christian terms, not to bury, not to store, but to expand the body into thousands of pieces and scatter it all over the world.
    2. Vend
      Vend 10 November 2017 09: 04 New
      +4
      The body of Ilyich is exhibited on the main square of the country as a kind of national shrine, a national symbol.
      Very accurate definition. Lenin’s body is no longer NATIONAL. For some, it is a symbol, while many do not even visit the mausoleum on Sundays. However, they shout. Red Square, the Kremlin are NATIONAL Symbols.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 11 November 2017 08: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Wend
        However, they shout. Red Square, the Kremlin are NATIONAL Symbols.

        And for you? For you this is not a Symbol?
        1. Vend
          Vend 13 November 2017 10: 40 New
          0
          Quote: badens1111
          Quote: Wend
          However, they shout. Red Square, the Kremlin are NATIONAL Symbols.

          And for you? For you this is not a Symbol?

          For me, the symbol is Red Square and the Kremlin. Lenin is a historical figure for me, and the mausoleum is an architectural monument.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 13 November 2017 11: 25 New
            0
            Quote: Wend
            Lenin is a historical figure for me, and the mausoleum is an architectural monument.

            Well, then leave the question of Lenin alone. This is History. The RF successor, the USSR and the RSFSR. By virtue of this, all the cries towards the founder, it is time to stop.
            Nothing but squeamishness can cause the behavior of the current liberal public, which, in fact, dismissed the Russian empire in the Soviet regime - and the Bolsheviks accused of this collapse.

            The very Bolsheviks who fought in the most heroic way for the national suburbs, lost in the 90s as a result of the liberal-bourgeois revolution without a single shot.
            1. Vend
              Vend 13 November 2017 12: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: badens1111
              Quote: Wend
              Lenin is a historical figure for me, and the mausoleum is an architectural monument.

              Well, leave alone the question of Lenin ..

              Somehow I’ll figure out what to do and relate to this issue. According to Lenin, I do not suffer from paranoia.
  2. tasha
    tasha 10 November 2017 06: 22 New
    +6
    Results of voting for the article Honest Poll

    Support the burial of V.I. Lenin - 6 Against - 10
    Support the burial of the remains of the relics of saints - 6 Against - 11

    There is no obvious advantage in either question.

    I believe that if you decide on the transfer of V.I. Lenin from the mausoleum to the cemetery, then you need to hold a referendum. For example, during the presidential election, add another leaflet. If the majority is against, then forget about this question for years on 10.
    1. free
      free 10 November 2017 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      Results of voting for the article Honest Poll

      Support the burial of V.I. Lenin - 6 Against - 10
      Support the burial of the remains of the relics of saints - 6 Against - 11

      There is no obvious advantage in either question.

      I believe that if you decide on the transfer of V.I. Lenin from the mausoleum to the cemetery, then you need to hold a referendum. For example, during the presidential election, add another leaflet. If the majority is against, then forget about this question for years on 10.

      And who will be the judges? It's the same!
      1. captain
        captain 10 November 2017 09: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: free
        Quote: tasha
        Results of voting for the article Honest Poll

        Support the burial of V.I. Lenin - 6 Against - 10
        Support the burial of the remains of the relics of saints - 6 Against - 11

        There is no obvious advantage in either question.

        I believe that if you decide on the transfer of V.I. Lenin from the mausoleum to the cemetery, then you need to hold a referendum. For example, during the presidential election, add another leaflet. If the majority is against, then forget about this question for years on 10.

        And who will be the judges? It's the same!

        And the judges will be those who come to vote.
        1. free
          free 10 November 2017 13: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: captain
          Quote: free
          Quote: tasha
          Results of voting for the article Honest Poll

          Support the burial of V.I. Lenin - 6 Against - 10
          Support the burial of the remains of the relics of saints - 6 Against - 11

          There is no obvious advantage in either question.

          I believe that if you decide on the transfer of V.I. Lenin from the mausoleum to the cemetery, then you need to hold a referendum. For example, during the presidential election, add another leaflet. If the majority is against, then forget about this question for years on 10.

          And who will be the judges? It's the same!

          And the judges will be those who come to vote.

          do you believe in fair elections? here it is, here it is the same
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 10 November 2017 12: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: free
        Quote: tasha
        Voting results ....

        And who will be the judges? It's the same!

        - And who are the judges? - For antiquity
        To a free life their enmity is irreconcilable,
        Judges draw from forgotten newspapers
        Ochakovsky and the conquest of the Crimea;
        A.S. Griboedov
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 10 November 2017 06: 24 New
    19
    Yeah, really. Christians again about the * holy spirit *. Here only history speaks of the absence of even a conscience among churchmen, and not only today. For centuries, the church was engaged in enrichment, including the slave trade, simultaneously doing an ideological search. In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the church was the richest in both land and slave-owning. It was not for nothing that Catherine the second * sequestered *, but simply took so many lands and slaves from the church. Quite recently, the church, having knocked out preferences, traded vodka-alcohol, tobacco. Why, * money doesn’t smell *. And at the same time they erected themselves in such moralists.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 November 2017 02: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasily50
      Yeah, really. Christians again about the * holy spirit *. Here only history speaks of the absence of even a conscience among churchmen, and not only today. For centuries, the church was engaged in enrichment, including the slave trade, simultaneously doing an ideological search. In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the church was the richest in both land and slave-owning. It was not for nothing that Catherine the second * sequestered *, but simply took so many lands and slaves from the church. Quite recently, the church, having knocked out preferences, traded vodka-alcohol, tobacco. Why, * money doesn’t smell *. And at the same time they erected themselves in such moralists.

      I am a Jew, my two friends, my father.
      I am sincerely proud of this friendship - you don’t need everyone to fit in one comb.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 12 November 2017 12: 45 New
        +1
        Wow, a joint venture of ZAO Synagogue and Russian Orthodox Church and what is the authorized capital of the company?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 November 2017 06: 30 New
    11
    Author: Vladimir

    The author, but you have nothing more to do? It would be better to do physical work, rather than explaining who the saints are and their relics. The Russian Orthodox Church can explain this more intelligibly without resorting to the Internet.
  5. Stas157
    Stas157 10 November 2017 06: 38 New
    27
    It feels like someone is overthrowing in one place, Lenin does not allow to live in peace! So where did so many articles and discussions about the burial of Lenin suddenly come from? Is this, at the moment, the most relevant topic in our country? Is the fact of burial something changing in our life for the better? Who needs it, and why?
    As you know, nothing happens from scratch. Surely there is a social order, about power structures, to pedal this topic. Apparently someone really really wants to bury the Leader, and break another thread that connects us with the great Soviet past. The technology of Overton windows is used, which really works. Artificially, out of the blue they raise the problem that supposedly this sharply contradicts the Christian canons ... And in general, Lenin is not so "great"! They make films about it. And people begin to argue on this subject in full, as if there were no other worries. ... Someone is clearly trying to reformat the public consciousness in their favor.
    Has the government really decided to bury Ilyich?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 10 November 2017 07: 11 New
      22
      Quote: Stas157
      So where did so many articles and discussions about the burial of Lenin suddenly come from?

      Well, VERY "some" are eager to bury V.I. Lenin! They think that with him they will bury all the ideas of socialism-communism, so that they would not remember and God forbid they did not want to return the GREAT COUNTRY.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 November 2017 07: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        did not want to return the GREAT COUNTRY.

        Elena - a great country created by Stalin, on the ruins destroyed by Lenin and Co. great country. hi
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 30 New
          10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          a great country was created by Stalin, on the ruins destroyed by Lenin and Co. great country.

          Did you come up with this yourself, or did you help you learn this idea, and then squeeze it out as something valuable? Let me specifically mention where this thought came from, A. Yakovlev.
          Quotes from Judah and Goebbels Perestroika itself:

          In an introduction to the publication of the Black Book of Communism in Russian, Yakovlev said:

          "...…я много и въедливо изучал работы Маркса, Энгельса, Ленина и Сталина, Мао и других «классиков» марксизма, основателей новой религии — религии ненависти, мести и атеизма. <…> Давным-давно, более 40 лет назад, я понял, что марксизм-ленинизм — это не наука, а публицистика — людоедская и самоедская. Поскольку я жил и работал в высших «орбитах» режима, в том числе и на самой высшей — в Политбюро ЦК КПСС при Горбачёве, — я хорошо представлял, что все эти теории и планы — бред, а главное, на чём держался режим, — это номенклатурный аппарат, кадры, люди, деятели. Деятели были разные: толковые, глупые, просто дураки. Но все были циники. Все до одного, и я — в том числе. Прилюдно молились лжекумирам, ритуал был святостью, истинные убеждения — держали при себе.
          После XX съезда в сверхузком кругу своих ближайших друзей и единомышленников мы часто обсуждали проблемы демократизации страны и общества. Избрали простой, как кувалда, метод пропаганды «идей» позднего Ленина. <…> Группа истинных, а не мнимых реформаторов разработали (разумеется, устно) следующий план: авторитетом Ленина ударить по Сталину, по сталинизму. А затем, в случае успеха, Плехановым и социал-демократией бить по Ленину, либерализмом и «нравственным социализмом» — по революционаризму вообще. <…>
          Советский тоталитарный режим можно было разрушить только через гласность и тоталитарную дисциплину партии, прикрываясь при этом интересами совершенствования социализма. <…> Оглядываясь назад, могу с гордостью сказать, что хитроумная, но весьма простая тактика — механизмы тоталитаризма против системы тоталитаризма — сработала."
          "... For the sake of business, I had to retreat and to dissemble. I myself am sinful - I have been misleading more than once. I spoke about the“ renewal of socialism ”, but I myself knew what was going on."
          https://aloban75.livejournal.com/1833102.html
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 10 November 2017 11: 06 New
            10
            the next plan: with Lenin’s authority, strike at Stalin, at Stalinism. And then, if successful, Plekhanov and Social Democracy beat Lenin, liberalism and "moral socialism" - revolutionism in general
            What you write is the confession of the destroyer !!! It doesn’t matter, in principle, with whom he fought and whom he ruined - in the end, he ruined his own country and killed his own people !!!
            And Europeans and Americans, and even more so - in general, deeply do not give a damn who ruins whom in Russia - white red or red white !!! ONLY WOULD DESTROY AND DESTROY NEXT !!! And I think - they are still happy about these processes and are ready to give money for it - a lot of money !!!
            1. dSK
              dSK 11 November 2017 03: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: Selevc
              And I think - they are still happy about these processes and are ready to give money for it - a lot of money !!!

              Even Winston Churchill, a Jewish mother, while still a young politician and far from a friend of Russia, in 1920, returning to the Jewish question, wrote:
              "... Starting from Spartak, Weishaupt to Karl Marx, up to Trotsky in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Rosa Luxemburg in Germany, Emma Goldman in the USA, this is a worldwide conspiracy to overthrow culture and remake society on the basis of stopping progress, envious malice and the unthinkable equality continued to grow continuously ... He was the main spring of all the subversive movements of the XNUMXth century; and finally this gang of unusual personalities, scum of the big cities of Europe and America grabbed by the hair and holds in their hands the Russian people, in fact becoming the undivided master of a vast empire. There is no need to exaggerate the role of these international and mostly godless Jews in creating Bolshevism and in conducting the Russian revolution. Their role is undoubtedly very large. "
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 11 November 2017 08: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: dsk
                finally this gang of unusual personalities, scum of the big cities of Europe and America

                This Churchill, in spite of his own mind, described the arrogant Saxon world and its activities, blushing about Russia for the most convincing conviction?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 10 November 2017 09: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Egoza
          did not want to return the GREAT COUNTRY.

          Elena - a great country created by Stalin, on the ruins destroyed by Lenin and Co. great country. hi

          In my country, Nicholas 2 and most of those who became "white emigrants" destroyed.
          Lenin and Trotsky only usurped power.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 30 New
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Lenin and Trotsky only usurped power.

            That you are dragging this Trotsky to a place and out of place ...
            How can we usurp what nobody had, the power was abandoned and taken by the one who found the strength to hold the answer for the country.
            Lenin could. Everyone else, no.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 10 November 2017 21: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: badens1111
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Lenin and Trotsky only usurped power.

              That you are dragging this Trotsky to a place and out of place ...
              How can we usurp what nobody had, the power was abandoned and taken by the one who found the strength to hold the answer for the country.
              Lenin could. Everyone else, no.

              That's right. But Trotsky at that time was a figure no less popular than Lenin.
              Tea Vysotsky
              Brodsky Sugar
              And Trotsky’s Russia
              Chastooshka of that time
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 11 November 2017 08: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Tea Vysotsky
                Brodsky Sugar
                And Trotsky’s Russia
                Chastooshka of that time

                What "time" was sung in your small town circles ??
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 10 November 2017 10: 17 New
          +7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          a great country was created by Stalin, on the ruins destroyed by Lenin and Co. great country.

          Stalin himself said something else!
      2. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 10 November 2017 09: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Stas157
        So where did so many articles and discussions about the burial of Lenin suddenly come from?

        They think that with it all the ideas of socialism-communism will be buried.

        Even the communists have already buried these ideas.
        Quote: Egoza
        did not want to return the GREAT COUNTRY.

        What country are you talking about, RI or the USSR? There will be no Empire or Union, there will be another country, which I hope has absorbed all the best from the previous ones.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 10 November 2017 10: 21 New
          10
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          Even the communists have already buried these ideas.

          Are you declaring this as a communist?
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          There will be no Empire or Union, there will be another country, which I hope has absorbed all the best from the previous ones.

          Judging by the fact that today in Russia 75% of wealth belongs to only 1% of people who are not very clean at hand, this country has absorbed not the best from the previous two!
      3. BAI
        BAI 10 November 2017 14: 29 New
        +3
        So where did so many articles and discussions about the burial of Lenin suddenly come from?

        Lenin is a symbol of the Revolution. And now the symbolic date is 100 years of the Revolution. Hence the activity.
  6. Shurale
    Shurale 10 November 2017 06: 46 New
    +5
    The man was told that both M16 and AK-47 are automatic machines. And he begins to talk about the fact that the M-16 is much more complicated in the device, more precisely with single shots, and in general it was positioned as a rifle that was inappropriately cleaned, and Kalashnikov was simple as an ax and his flight was huge. In my opinion, despite the difference in the structure of these mechanisms, their purpose is the same. But if a person does not understand this and does not want to understand, he will come up with a bunch of reasons to prove it ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 November 2017 09: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Shurale
      The man was told that both M16 and AK-47 are automatic machines. And he begins to talk about the fact that the M-16 is much more complicated in the device, more precisely with single shots, and in general it was positioned as a rifle that was inappropriately cleaned, and Kalashnikov was simple as an ax and his flight was huge. In my opinion, despite the difference in the structure of these mechanisms, their purpose is the same. But if a person does not understand this and does not want to understand, he will come up with a bunch of reasons to prove it ...

      Only people who have never used this product can say that the M-16 does not need to be cleaned. :)
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 18 November 2017 20: 13 New
        0
        You first get acquainted with the history of this rifle, who developed what he achieved, what he achieved and how it ultimately turned out. You will be surprised but this rifle was originally positioned as a rifle that does not need cleaning.
  7. BecmepH
    BecmepH 10 November 2017 07: 08 New
    +9
    And by the way, it was through the efforts of Ilyich that we almost got it 100 years ago. And the consequences of his national policy are now bleeding in the Donbass.
    What nonsense. How did you determine this?
    Then it’s not Ilyich himself who is to blame, but his parents. After all, through their efforts he appeared to the world ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 10 November 2017 07: 45 New
      12
      When the USSR conditionally invented Ukraine in its modern borders, no one thought that the pots from Kiev would begin to bomb the Donbass. No need to look for the evil intent of the Communists in that they redraw the borders. The direct culprit is only the one who took up arms and bombed civilians, the one who issues criminal orders! You do not blame Kalashnikov for the fact that so many people were killed from his ingenious invention. Because he did it to protect the homeland, and not to kill. In exactly the same way, the USSR tried to do better for people, and not for Ukraine to separate with all the donated lands, and begin to destroy its own people.
    2. BAI
      BAI 10 November 2017 14: 37 New
      +1
      What nonsense

      The division of Russia in the province on a numerical basis lasted unchanged and painlessly from 1775 to 1917. Dividing by ethnicity - from 1922 to 1989 (by large, by the little things, it still exists within the framework of Russia with continuous problems). Draw conclusions.
  8. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 10 November 2017 07: 16 New
    15
    Minus the author, writes nonsense. Not arguments, but a dead donkey, far-fetched! In order for Ilyich’s body to remain in its rightful place, he does not need to comply with any norms of veneration of Christian relics there. These are completely different things. And such attempts to compare the incomparable look vile. As if ignorance would try to judge a quantum field. The ideas of justice, socialism will live and develop until they ultimately win all over the world, as the leader of the world proletariat predicted in the past!
  9. Per se.
    Per se. 10 November 2017 07: 36 New
    13
    The article is very appropriate to the title, - “Unfair Poll”, where the interpretation itself is not honest, but sly. Lenin and his mausoleum, this is the history of our state, we still use the great legacy of the nuclear and space superpower, the Soviet Union, to the creation of which Lenin had the most direct connection. Lenin's body rests below ground level, in fact the mausoleum is a crypt, and, if you rest on it, it does not contradict Christian customs. But, to razderbanit holy relics, arrange their "tour" in the cities of Russia, exposing for worship, a much more dubious act, about which there is nothing in the commandments of Christ. This savagery for churchmen has become the norm, since it serves the interests of religion, its influence, increase in income from believers, but this is not condemned, but, on the contrary, justified. Enough already to bury Lenin, he is buried in his mausoleum, like the founder of modern China, Mao.
    The memorial complex extends from north to south 260 meters and from east to west 220 meters, occupying an area of ​​57 200 m², and the buildings occupy an area of ​​33 867 m². The main building of the memorial has a length and width of 105,5 m and a height of 33,6 m. Along the perimeter of the building there are 44 granite octahedral columns, each 17,5 meters in height. The area of ​​this building is over 20 000 m². Above the main entrance to the complex there is an inscription on white marble with the golden hieroglyphs “Memorial complex of Chairman Mao” (kit. 毛主席 纪念堂). In the memorial there are 10 halls and open rooms.
    Hall of visitors (瞻仰 厅). In the center of the hall in the crystal coffin are the remains of Chairman Mao Zedong, dressed in a gray suit and covered with a Chinese bright red communist flag. The base of the crystal coffin is made of black granite. At the entrance to the hall, on the white marble walls, are depicted 17 of gilded hieroglyphs "伟大 的 领袖 和 导师 毛泽东 主席 永垂不朽" ("Eternal memory to the great leader and teacher, Chairman Mao Zedong").
    China, too, did not begin with Mao and has an ancient history; try to persuade the Chinese to bury the founder of the PRC.
  10. novel66
    novel66 10 November 2017 07: 40 New
    +7
    I would say here from the category - or put on your underpants or remove the cross. you can, of course, you can not bury the body, especially since there are still a bunch of people buried nearby. but! then the red square is necessary! It’s necessary! To declare a cemetery and not to arrange parties and skating rinks there. and if we want to preserve the Red Square as a place of festivities, then we must! it is necessary! move all the bodies to the appropriate place. In this case, Lenin’s body can not be buried, left a mummy (personally, my opinion is not Christian, and disrespect for Ilyich as a person, I would not like to lie in a glass coffin like a dead princess, and so that everyone was staring at me)
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 33 New
      10
      Quote: novel xnumx
      and if we want to keep the red square

      Do you need Red Square, the place of the Victory Parade and the Memorial in memory of the best people of the Fatherland, to turn into a clown site? For what?
      Well, arrange the same platform at the Yeltsin grave — that is the place for all kinds of clownish tricks, drunk to drunk as they say ... Jump at the Nemtsov knoll. Well, it will be free, or at Sakharovskaya, it's yours, they all wanted it, well here and dance on their bones.
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 November 2017 09: 36 New
        +5
        colleague, do not bile. I, in fact, wrote about this - let's declare Red Square a necropolis with all the consequences. and I don’t intend to jump at the graves, they brought up somehow differently
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 11 November 2017 10: 04 New
      +1
      I totally agree! Or a place of festivities or a cemetery! What does Christianity and politics have to do with it! And when they entered the mausoleum, it turns out that they tread the grave. you can deny the Holy Spirit as much as you like, but not have anything holy at all - this is already too much!
  11. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 10 November 2017 07: 59 New
    +4
    I am for the burial! But judging by the controversy, all condemning militant atheists condemn, well, nothing comes to God in his own way, I hope this path will not be very painful for you, and the suppression of Pride in each of us usually goes ruthlessly. So bon voyage)
    1. notingem
      notingem 10 November 2017 08: 56 New
      +9
      But I am against. Opinion against should also be taken into account. Or, again, everyone decided for us?
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 November 2017 09: 19 New
        +4
        but I’m right away and I won’t call the organization entitled to resolve this issue, and our opinions remain opinions
  12. free
    free 10 November 2017 08: 53 New
    +8
    And tell the author how Lenin.V.I and Christian customs of burial intersect?
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 11 November 2017 10: 09 New
      +2
      Do not intersect. Has it become easier? For me - let it lie to itself. I personally do not bother. But the dead man is from the word peace. And what peace, when they did his museum exhibit. And the same thing about the mummies in the Hermitage. What difference does it make when a person died. Would you like to walk like this to look at the body of your deceased relative, albeit a very beloved one? I don’t think so.
      1. free
        free 11 November 2017 11: 19 New
        +1
        not even hunting to comment on your nonsense
  13. Yuri Guliy
    Yuri Guliy 10 November 2017 09: 46 New
    0
    And why are people worried? They will take it out of the mausoleum in 5 years, 10 years, but they will definitely take it out. Just the "exploits" of the Bolsheviks are still perceived as patriotism (due to 70 years of propaganda).
  14. ibirus
    ibirus 10 November 2017 09: 53 New
    +8
    The author of the article wrote his opinion, although this is nonsense. I don’t see any difference between the body of Lenin and the relics, because there is none. To appeal to emotions, such as God, holiness is stupid and anti-rational. And yet, my personal opinion. Any religion that in one way or another encourages the transfer of responsibility by a person from himself to God or Gods, makes of a man and people a herd of sheep afraid of responsibility for their lives and their actions. There is nothing good in this. And therefore it is necessary to bury both relics and churches.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 11 November 2017 10: 14 New
      +1
      God does not make sheep out of people! It is He who wants people to make choices, people have free will. Otherwise there would be no such confusion, everyone would be believers. And so - everyone decides for himself. And there is always an opportunity to override. But do not want to - then do not say that you were not warned.
      1. ibirus
        ibirus 11 November 2017 18: 08 New
        0
        God makes sheep out of people, otherwise how can one explain the behavior of people going to church to a priest who travels to Porsche. Or when the patriarch (head of the church, model, shepherd) drives an armored Mercedes. Who is he afraid of - you, me, or a flock of sheep who do not want to ask a question?
      2. dSK
        dSK 12 November 2017 00: 26 New
        +3
        As the holy fathers say: "Free will, and saved paradise" hi
  15. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 10 November 2017 10: 02 New
    +7
    Do you understand what I'm getting at?

    We understand, kasatik, we understand! Do you let the liberoid poison again? And Donbass dragged in ... and LGBT ... All in order to erase from the memory of people the heroic history of our country.
    Do you work out cookies?
    In 90 they could not break the will of the Russian people, and now, even more so, they do not give a damn about your attempts.
    As soon as the anniversary of the great event in the history of our Motherland comes, the viper tangle comes to life and an evil hiss is heard on a memorable date.
    But your efforts are in vain, gentlemen!
  16. Sars
    Sars 10 November 2017 10: 08 New
    +8
    Why was the cult of Lenin “launched”?
    For the same reason why the cult of Santa Claus (for all the delusional nature of this comparison is the supporters of the leader).
    For the destruction of Christianity.
    What is Christmas in the West? Deer, Santa and yo-o-ho-ho song. They no longer remember Christ there.
    In our country, the Bolshevik-Leninist-Satanists first of all started a war with the Orthodox Church and the Russians.
    And after the death of the leader, they created the idol of a new faith from him.
    1. Naum
      Naum 10 November 2017 10: 38 New
      +2
      I believe that the effigy of the Leader should be left where it lies - as a warning to future Leaders! Instead of eternal repose - the universal review.
  17. gorgo
    10 November 2017 10: 39 New
    +2
    Listen, dear devotees, "this is our story and a symbol of the era." About the rabid followers of Trotsky and Zemlyachka, who advocate here for honoring the memory of the savior of Russian civilization (!! ??) half-Jew Ilyich, I am generally silent, there is nothing to talk about with them. But those who are more or less adequate and claim that this is just a monument, this is part of our history, this is a symbol, tell me, how do you feel about the Yeltsin Center? I am sure that screaming and stamping your feet is no less than the supporters of the leader’s burial. And so so? Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era? Isn't that our story? What a symbol! Yes, about him and his 90-e need to taldychit in all textbooks, as a warning! Well, let it stand then! This is a story!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 10: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: gorgo
      How do you feel about the Yeltsin Center?

      Exactly the same as to your scarecrow by the name of Bandera.
      Quote: gorgo
      Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era?

      A disgusting symbol, not an era, but a disaster.
    2. E_V_N
      E_V_N 10 November 2017 12: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: gorgo
      Tell me, how do you feel about the Yeltsin Center? I am sure that screaming and stamping your feet is no less than the supporters of the leader’s burial. So what is it? Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era? Isn't that our story?

      Yes, history, but the history of history is different. There are pages of destruction and obscurantism, but there are pages of creation and success. The history of building monuments is appropriate, the history of destruction is a place in the museum of history, but it’s silly to erect monuments.
      Like it or not, Lenin created the great USSR, the world superpower which existed 70 and was destroyed not by enemies but by traitors. But Yeltsin did not create absolutely NOTHING, he is a traitor to his country, why on earth should he build a center and support it with budget money.
      Or are you ready to name what Yeltsin created?
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 10 November 2017 21: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: gorgo
      Listen, dear devotees, "this is our story and a symbol of the era." About the rabid followers of Trotsky and Zemlyachka, who advocate here for honoring the memory of the savior of Russian civilization (!! ??) half-Jew Ilyich, I am generally silent, there is nothing to talk about with them. But those who are more or less adequate and claim that this is just a monument, this is part of our history, this is a symbol, tell me, how do you feel about the Yeltsin Center? I am sure that screaming and stamping your feet is no less than the supporters of the leader’s burial. And so so? Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era? Isn't that our story? What a symbol! Yes, about him and his 90-e need to taldychit in all textbooks, as a warning! Well, let it stand then! This is a story!

      Lenin is a Jew by a quarter, but otherwise everything is correct.
  18. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 10 November 2017 10: 51 New
    +1
    "And who do the Communist atheists worship in the form of Ilyich’s mummified body? After all, they don’t believe in the afterlife or in God. So why do we need this cult, whose it is?"

    To the ghost of communism)) They believe that he will make Lenin his avatar and will be able to world revolution))) And here they are just in the wings, because many would like to spend all their lives sharing and rob the loot, it's fun) And out of the guise of enemies can be removed under a plausible pretext, to commit revenge and indeed to realize many base needs, which always happens during revolutions)
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 10 November 2017 11: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: CorvusCoraks
      "And who do the atheist communists worship ...?"
      The ghost of communism))

      “No,” he said in response to the insistent question of my eyes, “I am not a member of the club, I am a ghost.”
      “Good, but that does not give you the right to pace the club.”
      A. and B. Strugatsky "Monday begins on Saturday"
  19. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 10 November 2017 10: 53 New
    +4
    “Finally, the last. The author, summing up, writes:“ Either we take into account the interests of all, or each for himself, and goodbye, the state. ”Beautiful. But why not take into account the interests of the same LGBT activists? Are there people for whom the phallus is a deity. Well, they have a right to it. And if they want to establish a phallic idol somewhere in Moscow, even if not in the center, then no one has the right to obstruct them. Why are we then against gay pride parades? Do you have the right to show what is dear to them? Do you understand what I’m getting at? It’s just that if we allow everything to everyone just because “there are people who believe in this,” then we’ll get “goodbye, the state. "And by the way, it was through the efforts of Ilyich that we almost got it 100 years ago. And the consequences of his national policy are now bleeding in the Donbass."

    Bull's-eye!
  20. Selevc
    Selevc 10 November 2017 11: 11 New
    +5
    Regarding the revolution of 1917, the most interesting thing is that for some reason the whole revolution is called Russian - although it was ruled by very interesting types - half of these same leaders were one of a known nationality - NOT RUSSIAN, and the other half - people of the same nationality but under Russian surnames - that is, also NOT RUSSIAN !!! And yet yes - among the leaders of the revolution 5% of Russians were on the cast of STATISTS !!!
    Such a "historical pun" can only be in Russia - people of non-indigenous nationality overthrow the power of indigenous people !!!
    And the tsar was generally abruptly thrown as the last FOOL - he abdicated in favor of his brother and he decided to postpone the accession to the throne - it feels like we still live in this inter-time !!!

    The revolution of 1917 can be called Russian in only one sense - the pawns in this big game were Russian and the biomass for the bloody mill of the revolution was also Russian !!! But the rest - the leaders of the revolution are NOT RUSSIAN and the money for which it was also made NOT RUSSIAN !!! And even Tsar Nikolai-durakk is also RUSSIAN EXTREME CONDITION !!!
    And I also want to note that the revolution of 1917 must always be considered in the context of the 1st World War - other assessments are biased, just like the revolution of 1991 must be considered exclusively in the context of the Cold War !!!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 11: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: Selevc
      The revolution of 1917 can be called Russian in only one sense - the pawns in this big game were Russian and the biomass for the bloody mill of the revolution was also Russian !!! But the rest - the leaders of the revolution are NOT RUSSIAN and the money for which it was also made NOT RUSSIAN !!! And even Tsar Nikolai-durakk is also RUSSIAN EXTREME CONDITION !!!

      Nationalist delirium.
      Poor you know History and all the more poorly understand the role of the Russian people in that process.
      Quote: Selevc
      And I also want to note that the revolution of 1917 must always be considered in the context of the 1st World War - other assessments are biased, just like the revolution of 1991 must be considered exclusively in the context of the Cold War

      So consider it from the point of view of the historical process in that reality, and not after the fact and with no reason whatsoever that the Jews are to blame, it’s stupidity.
      For example, such a look.
      https://pravdoiskatel77.livejournal.com/12369650.
      html
      Again, the “Jewish" nature of the revolution contradicts the fact that their share was high both among the parties that supported the October Revolution (Bolsheviks, Left Social Revolutionaries, Anarchists), and opposed (Right Socialist Revolutionaries and Mensheviks).
      Moreover, in the leadership of the Menshevik party, the proportion of Jews was higher than that of the Bolsheviks. A strange way of drawing up a "conspiracy" in which the "conspirators" find themselves in two hostile camps.
      All of the above shows that there is no reason for representing the 1917 revolution as "Jewish" in nature. Jews participated in the revolution in accordance with their social and territorial status.
      To avert the working people from the class struggle by intimidating them with the "wiles of the Jews" who want to "turn us all into slaves" is the goal of capital.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 10 November 2017 12: 28 New
        +2
        Nationalist delirium.
        Poor you know History and all the more poorly understand the role of the Russian people in that process.
        No need to rush stupid templates - the role of the Russian people in that process was on the fronts of the 1st World !!! And troublemakers in the rear is that the role of the Russian people? The revolution of 1917 led to a civil war in Russia and to terrible victims and the complete destruction and ruin of the country — note this country from the camp of the victorious countries !!! In 1918, the process of dividing Russia had already begun, which we silly called intervention !!!

        Is it possible that everyone still does not understand the simple truth: Revolution is a superweapon that was used during the 1st World War when other means no longer worked !!! If we talk briefly about those processes, then in 1914 the countries of the opponents fought by traditional methods of warfare and fell into a strategic impasse, in 1915 and 16th they used new weapons (tanks, gases, etc.) and in 1917 it the culmination of the 1st world - the enemy countries began to play to the maximum - undermined the state system and the vertical of power in each other's rear !!!
        Otherwise, how else can one explain the mysterious fraternities on the fronts ??? - there are simply no such examples in the history of wars !!! Opponents hugged and kissed and then as if nothing had happened continued to kill each other - and the authorities pretended to see nothing !!! This is some kind of nonsense - this can not be explained as espionage activity !!!
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 10 November 2017 12: 45 New
          +3
          I also want to add that the revolutions both in Russia and in Germany turned out to be a complete surprise for the first persons of the states - in 1917 everything went on its own - Nikolai, as usual, ordered his Faberge eggs for Easter,

          William, by the way, during the start of the revolution in Germany, was at headquarters and was probably preparing the next German attack on Paris. Whoever doesn’t remember the story - let me remind the Germans in 1918 - they were still advancing because they managed to completely close the Russian front and move troops to the west !!! It was a complete surprise for Wilhelm that his beloved fleet would go over to the side of the rebels ... By the way, Wilhelm hid abroad the very day after the start of the revolution in Germany - this only speaks of his despair and panic !!!
          What can I say - the revolutionary attacks on Russia in 1917 and Germany in 1918 turned out to be unexpected and fatal for the elites of these countries, but what about the people - and what about the people - who during the hurricane considers how much grass died under their feet?
        2. badens1111
          badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Selevc
          No need to rush stupid templates - the role of the Russian people in that process was on the fronts of the 1st World

          Again blah blah blah .. And who from the front left the crowds, the Jews? You stop already casting a shadow on the fence.
          The revolution was made by the hands of the Russians in the overwhelming majority of people, and therefore do not smear their overpower and feat with mud.
          Quote: Selevc
          Is it still unclear to everyone the simple truth: Revolution is a superweapon that was used during the 1st World War when other means no longer worked

          Yeah .. that is, Nikolka 2 fell victim to a superweapon, you are still here about the color revolution stir up for more convincing ..
          Quote: Selevc
          Otherwise, how else can one explain the mysterious fraternities on the fronts ???

          Silently. This war outlined to everyone.
          Quote: Selevc
          This is some kind of nonsense - this can not be explained as espionage activity !!!

          Spies, spies, all around spies ... what dregs ...
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 10 November 2017 12: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Selevc
      Such a "historical pun" can only be in Russia - people of non-indigenous nationality overthrow the power of indigenous people !!!

      "Grattez le Russe, et vous verrez un Tartare." (Sorry for the Russian, you will find a Tatar) Astolf de Custine
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 10 November 2017 14: 57 New
        +2
        Well, the Frenchman knows better, especially after their army was completely destroyed in this very Russia a few years earlier wink
  21. Ural resident
    Ural resident 10 November 2017 12: 08 New
    +2
    I believe that, of course, carrying bones on the surface is not good.
    This applies to the so-called relics of saints. there is nothing in it except the attraction of a new flock.
    Lenin certainly will not be able to lie endlessly, even by virtue of physics. even a mummified body cannot lie without damage for so long. But raising this question now means provoking the people into another split. In any case, the mausoleum must be left — it is beautiful in the first place — and secondly, this is our integral part of history and already an integral part of the Kremlin’s image.
  22. gorgo
    10 November 2017 12: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: gorgo
    How do you feel about the Yeltsin Center?

    Exactly the same as to your scarecrow by the name of Bandera.
    Quote: gorgo
    Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era?

    A disgusting symbol, not an era, but a disaster.

    Firstly, please be careful in the statements. I don't have a stuffed bandera. Maybe you have one?
    And secondly, Lenin is a symbol of even greater catastrophe, the consequences of which have not yet been raked. And Yeltsin is a direct result of the activity of the leader of the proletariat.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 12: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: gorgo
      Firstly, please be careful in the statements. I don't have a stuffed bandera. Maybe you have one?

      The flag identifies you as a resident of the Ruin. This is the first. The second, and why should I be careful, since in fact this way, anyone yelling any nonsense against the same Lenin, is essentially likened to all these bandera, red, other hair and Hitler.
      Quote: gorgo
      And secondly, Lenin is a symbol of even greater catastrophe, the consequences of which have not yet been raked. And Yeltsin is a direct result of the activity of the leader of the proletariat.

      Medically, this is your \ passage called removal of the tonsils through ....
      Where did you learn to lie? Where did you divide February as a catastrophe, where did you throw off Kerensky’s activities with his temporary? recreated on a new one?
      In my opinion, those who say that the communists have destroyed Russia are wrong. You can call yourself a communist, but only actions reveal the true face of a politician. Therefore, it would be a mistake to refer to the Communists those who were engaged in the restoration of capitalism in Russia: M. S. Gorbachev, B. N. Yeltsin and many other destroyers of the CPSU and the USSR.
      Lenin built capitalism? You do not give the impression of a person who understands a little bit the discussion of what figure in the history of the world you took up, using the cliches of the very obscurantist part of society.
      The attempts of the “power vertical” of the Russian Federation to silence and possibly lower the significance of the October Revolution of 1917 do not contribute to strengthening unity and raising the mobilization resources of Russian society, since they imply deepening social and regional inequality in the country, a fundamental blockade of “internal ties” between different social strata, and stagnation of consumer market and the growth of conflict potential, as well as hindering communication with China as a strategic ally of Russia, experts say, emphasizing an active “anti-anniversary” propaganda campaign on television, which in the worst traditions of “alternative history” concentrates on figures like Trotsky and Parvus, defaming Lenin and Stalinhttp : //zavtra.ru/blogs/tablo_noyabr_2
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 10 November 2017 14: 58 New
        +1
        these are all the costs of Ukrainian education.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: SanichSan
          these are all the costs of Ukrainian education.

          I scratch turnip ... request Is it all so catastrophically neglected?
  23. bk316
    bk316 10 November 2017 12: 26 New
    +5
    a holy man is one who, during his life, acquired the Holy Spirit, that is, has reached that level of holiness,

    But what about Nikolai the second?
    What he achieved there, they gave him a saint for the fact that he received a bullet, and not for the fact that during his lifetime he did.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 10 November 2017 21: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: bk316
      What he achieved there, they gave him a saint for the fact that he received a bullet, and not for the fact that during his lifetime he did.

      He was not given a saint, learn the mat. part and do not disgrace.
      1. bk316
        bk316 11 November 2017 12: 52 New
        +2
        WHAT I DID NOT WRITE? Let's talk about the materiel ...
        On August 20, 2000 (the Nikolai and the family) the Russian Orthodox Church was ranked among the holy New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia, manifest and undetected.
        Here are the materials on which the king was canonized:
        http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sobytia/sobor/juvenalij
        . Htm

        Not only, blah blah, about the fact that the holy New Martyrs are not entirely holy.
        In the sense of worship (images on icons, POWER) are just saints.
        So do not disgrace yourself and learn the materiel.
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  24. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 10 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +5
    The author well mastered the techniques of demagogy. I would put a minus, but there is no possibility.
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  26. gorgo
    10 November 2017 13: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: E_V_N
    Quote: gorgo
    Tell me, how do you feel about the Yeltsin Center? I am sure that screaming and stamping your feet is no less than the supporters of the leader’s burial. So what is it? Is Yeltsin not a symbol of the era? Isn't that our story?

    Yes, history, but the history of history is different. There are pages of destruction and obscurantism, but there are pages of creation and success. The history of building monuments is appropriate, the history of destruction is a place in the museum of history, but it’s silly to erect monuments.
    Like it or not, Lenin created the great USSR, the world superpower which existed 70 and was destroyed not by enemies but by traitors. But Yeltsin did not create absolutely NOTHING, he is a traitor to his country, why on earth should he build a center and support it with budget money.
    Or are you ready to name what Yeltsin created?


    I apologize. It was not Lenin who created the great power. By the time this power became great, he had long died. And with him there was only the destruction, the destruction of the color of the nation - officers, intelligentsia, priesthood - and the common people, as well as an unprecedented attack on the whole structure of Russian civilization.
    But Yeltsin and such as he is, again, a product of that system of false values ​​that were created by Ilyich. International cosmopolitan trash, who hates everything Russian - these are the Ilyichevsk comrades-in-arms and offspring ...
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 39 New
      +2
      Again ukrozennosti .. their country was shattered, they beat all the pots, now in Russia they teach how to whom and why they should be treated as they are .. to Lenin with respect, to Yeltsin with contempt.
  27. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 10 November 2017 14: 09 New
    +3
    Let Lenin's presence in the mausoleum be an extended farewell ceremony, and the mausoleum itself will remain a monument to the man who stood at the origins of the state system that raised Russia to previously unattainable heights of economic power and political influence.
    "The state should have one dominant system of values" (c)
    Exactly. And it is logical for her to be communist, which, with the exception of mysticism, is not much different from Christian.
    Once again I want to emphasize the talk about the burial in power due to the fact that either they will endure Lenin or he will endure them along with their successes in state. construction.
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      1. dSK
        dSK 11 November 2017 03: 53 New
        +6
        On the morning of June 22, 1941, the first appeal to the people was the Primate of the Orthodox Church Sergius, who called for a fight against the invaders. A few hours later, Molotov spoke: "Dear brothers and sisters"- his speech began. By December 1941, the surviving churches were opened, divine services were allowed - the former seminarian Stalin realized that without God's help, it will not be possible to save the country. Forty, baptized men pulled out a war. Twenty-year-olds were killed in the first months or captured in "cauldrons". Then, when it “relieved”, the faithful “Leninist” Khrushchev began to blow up temples again, promised to show the people the last “priest” and build communism in 1980 (I remember that well). In 1964, when he was filmed - at the plenary session 1 (one) people voted in favor - his brother-in-law. Where does Khrushchev's son live now and to whom is he bowing? What did the last general secretary Gorbachev and the repainted Yeltsin (atheists from the cradle) do to the country?
        Christianity is 2000 years old, Orthodoxy is 1000 years old, what kind of persecution it experienced in the first 300 years of early Christianity - it was crucified, burned, poisoned by animals. Borders will change, new parties will appear ... Jesus Christ "I am with you and no one else is with you."
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 12 November 2017 13: 12 New
          0
          Quote: dsk
          By December 1941, the surviving churches were opened, divine services were allowed - the former seminarian Stalin realized that without God's help, it will not be possible to save the country. Forty, baptized men pulled out a war. Twenty-year-olds were killed in the first months or captured in "cauldrons". Then, when it “relieved”, the faithful “Leninist” Khrushchev began to blow up temples again, promised to show the people the last “priest” and build communism in 1980 (I remember that well). In 1964, when he was filmed - at the plenary session 1 (one) people voted in favor - his brother-in-law. Where does Khrushchev's son live now and to whom is he bowing? What did the last general secretary Gorbachev and the repainted Yeltsin (atheists from the cradle) do to the country?
          Christianity is 2000 years old, Orthodoxy is 1000 years old, what kind of persecution it experienced in the first 300 years of early Christianity - it was crucified, burned, poisoned by animals. Borders will change, new parties will appear ... Jesus Christ "I am with you and no one else is with you."

          Churches opened to mobilize society. It was the 20-year-olds who pulled out the war, for they more often went to certain death. It fell to Christians in the Roman Empire due to the Jewish customs of the first Christians (repression of sabotage during the Jewish wars - 1 Holocaust). When Jewish customs were abandoned, the Christian sect began to grow in the 4th century AD. became the state religion of the Roman Empire and began to nightmare its opponents so much that they just extinguish the light because all the actions of the Gentiles against Christians are childish pranks in comparison with the total massacre that Christians made.
  29. BAI
    BAI 10 November 2017 14: 18 New
    +2
    To bury Lenin’s body or not, only his relatives could decide in a good way.

    In fact, there was an order:
    Lenin bequeathed to bury himself in the Volkov Cemetery in St. Petersburg, next to his mother.
  30. looker-on
    looker-on 10 November 2017 14: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Shurale
    The man was told that both M16 and AK-47 are automatic machines. And he begins to talk about the fact that the M-16 is much more complicated in the device, more precisely with single shots, and in general it was positioned as a rifle that was inappropriately cleaned, and Kalashnikov was simple as an ax and his flight was huge. In my opinion, despite the difference in the structure of these mechanisms, their purpose is the same. But if a person does not understand this and does not want to understand, he will come up with a bunch of reasons to prove it ...

    Meanwhile, the M-16 is not an automatic wink and the difference between AK and M is still decent
  31. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 10 November 2017 15: 06 New
    +5
    in short, the author is an ordinary religious extremist. in fact, he directly states that there are Christian shrines and there are no other shrines, because shrines can only be Christian. all. dot.
    and on the basis of this extremism, everyone who considers the Lenin’s cause to be great and with great respect for the leader has no right to vote.

    PS
    Well, about Lenin, historians have thoroughly studied what he did to preserve Russia as a state, but what did the church do? correct me if I'm wrong, but along the way she pretty much put a bow to the collapse of the country.
    so who and where to dig in is a very ambiguous question.
  32. badens1111
    badens1111 10 November 2017 16: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: SanichSan
    Well, about Lenin, historians have thoroughly studied what he did to preserve Russia as a state, but what did the church do? correct me if I'm wrong, but along the way she pretty much put a bow to the collapse of the country.

    This circumstance does not give rest to all the servants of Satan, including those who imagine themselves to be religious ... they pray to the devils and drive demons, but they are obviously not attached to anything normal.
    And to the collapse of the Russian Empire, then yes, even as she applied
    Historical note: On March 5 (18), 1917, the Synod ordered in the churches of the Diocese of Petrograd “from now on not to proclaim” many years to the royal house.

    On March 6 (19), the Synod “took note” of the decrees on the abdication of Nicholas II and the Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich, decided to serve prayers in all the churches of the empire with the proclamation of the “God-Preserved Power of Russia and the blessed Provisional Government of it” for many years.

    On March 7 (20), the Synod began to call the Romanov’s house “reigning” (in the past tense) and abolished the celebrations of the birthdays and namesakes of the tsar, tsarina, heir, days of accession to the throne and coronation - “tsarist days”.

    It is noteworthy that the Synod was even ahead of the Provisional Government, since the corresponding order appeared only on March 16 (29).
    https://newdaynews.ru/revolution-1917/596538.html
    On March 9, the Synod addressed the message "To the faithful children of the Orthodox Russian Church regarding the events that are being experienced." It called for confidence in the Provisional Government. At the same time, the message began as follows: “The will of God (23) has been accomplished. Russia has embarked on the path of a new state life. May God bless our great Motherland with happiness and glory on its new path” (24). Thus, in fact, the Synod recognized the coup d'etat as legitimate and officially proclaimed the beginning of a new state life in Russia, and declared the revolutionary events as an accomplished "will of God." The message was signed by the bishops of the “royal” composition of the Synod, even those with a reputation as monarchists and Black Hundreds: for example, Metropolitan of Kiev Vladimir (Epiphany) and Metropolitan of Moscow Makarii (Parvitsky-Nevsky).
    http://maxpark.com/user/1533472929/content/966854 Михаил Бабкин – кандидат исторических наук, доцент Южно-Уральского государственного университета
    1. dSK
      dSK 11 November 2017 03: 45 New
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      October 1917 coup - the first successful experience of modern color revolutions. Now the same thing, one to one, the foreign partners are howling at all the voices - remove Putin and everything will be "good" ... Social revolution always chaos, destruction, national woes. Need social evolution - development of positive qualities and the elimination of negative ones. Break not build.
      1. Litvinov
        Litvinov 11 November 2017 06: 52 New
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        You mixed up with the February revolution.
        1. dSK
          dSK 12 November 2017 01: 38 New
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          Hello Sergey! The Zionist composition of the 1917 coup:
          The Central Committee of the right wing of the ESER party: "Kerensky, Aronovich, Gissler, Lvovich-Davidovich, Gurevich, Gots, Goldstein, Likhach, Kintshuk, Verlinrut, Distler, Chernyavsky, Rosenberg, Tchaikovsky, Ratner."
          The Central Committee of the Social Democratic Labor Party - BOLSHEVIKI: Bronstein (Trotsky), Ulyanov-Blank (Lenin), Apfelbaum-Radomyslsky (Zinoviev), Lurie (Larin), Krylenko, Mandelstam (Lunacharsky), Uritsky, Goldstein (Volodfelsky), Rozen ), Smidovich, Yeshua-Solomon Movshevich (Sverdlov), Nakhamkes (Steklov) ...
          In February, Kerensky began; in October, Lenin, Trotsky, and others like them, finished. Lodges are different, but the puppeteer is the only customer. He rubs his hands and refills the gas tank.
          Only the former seminarian Stalin (preparing to become a priest) broke his plans by clearing the country of Zionists for 70 years. Trotsky got already in Mexico.
          Modern "perestroika" - at first the USSR collapsed, then they set to work for the Russian Federation. Just do not take into account one significant point - Our leader is now pro-Orthodox. Now the State Deputies openly regret that they did not "finish off" in 2000. And now they definitely have NOTHING will not work. States for the collapse of the USSR, in addition to indoctrination, "lowered" oil prices to $ 25. In 2014, oil prices "fell" to $ 27. Russia has resisted, now oil is "torn" for $ 70. There is a revival, the rapid revival of Orthodoxy in Russia. Growth costs are inevitable, people are not angels, each has its own skeleton in the closet and a log in the eye. Jesus Christ: "I am with you and no one at you." Read the Gospels - the "program" of life.
          1. dSK
            dSK 12 November 2017 02: 06 New
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            http://days.pravoslavie.ru/Bible/Index.htm hi
      2. badens1111
        badens1111 11 November 2017 20: 22 New
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        Quote: dsk
        the first successful experience of modern color

        Stupidity, or rather an attempt to disguise what happened, in the interests of fat cats.
  33. Pavel_n
    Pavel_n 11 November 2017 07: 28 New
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    The article is correct. Modern inhabitants, know little about the history of Christianity, its mystery. For him, this is an empty phrase.
    However, this is not even important. It is important that this article proposes a truly fair option - not to bury Lenin (since some part of our society wants to), but to remove him from Red Square, from the walls of the Kremlin and ancient Orthodox churches, where he certainly does not belong. Article plus. It would be possible, for example, to organize somewhere a "museum of communism" (figuratively speaking), and there it ... In the image of Yeltsin - the center ...
  34. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 11 November 2017 18: 46 New
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    Dear Vladimir, after reading the article, I did not catch how the veneration of the body of Lenin differs from the veneration of the relics of saints! Both are in some way a religion. The relics of the saints are the object of worship of believers, the mummy of Lenin is the object of worship of adherents of communism! In any case, the essence of faith and the presence of adherents! And the end of the article with an example of the cult of the phallus is honestly far-fetched. At least by the level of an event or person! So I think the previous article is correct, unlike yours! Although I respect you for trying to explain your position.
  35. Prole
    Prole 11 November 2017 19: 15 New
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    Only those who want to bury the memory of the great redistribution of private property are in a hurry to bury Ilyich. Ilyich was for the new world order. And he assumed a merciless struggle with the oligarchies for the benefit of the people. Remember, the bais in the east, the kulaks throughout Russia, the oppressed peoples in the east. The Soviet government gave the people freedom, land, peace, space, free higher education, the best medicine, buses, railways and airplanes and apartments that you can’t buy in Moscow for less than a dozen. Everything was until the national traitors like the hunchback and his cowardly gang all this wasted. But other thieves such as Yeltsin and other lackeys living now have not taken their hands on it, spilled with blood in the great war and then restored property. And now these lackeys are the loudest screaming about the dangers of socialism, the leader, while not forgetting to warm their hands over the people's good.
  36. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 12 November 2017 20: 20 New
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    Into the way the swindler twisted. (AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE) How to provoke it is possible to rub it is not noticeable so if not only then and see who and how many will come out to fight on this topic. The question on the topic of Ilyich should be closed and not for us to decide, so our grandfathers decided. And when it pops up, it means someone and something that is not good in mind, and this is what you need to deal with.
  37. Loki_2
    Loki_2 14 November 2017 21: 01 New
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    Dear author. Your supporters in Ukraine de-communized, demolished all the monuments to Lenin. Something I did not notice in them the rise in the standard of living of the rocket. Maybe it's not connected?
    If you have an itch lower than your back from our past I recommend going to the nenko, there you will find many supporters of your ideas. You may not want to go back. Somehow, without such ideas, we will find harmony with the vulgar.