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Honest survey



Many resources on the Internet conducted surveys about the burial of the body of Lenin. But I think that such a formulation of the question is not entirely fair ... I believe that it is in this wording that such questions should be carried out:

1. Do you support the idea
burial V.I. Lenin?

2. Do you support the idea
burial of the relics
saints?


Now I will explain why it would be more fair ...

First, you can immediately fend off, they say, is Lenin a saint? The answer is: they are all PEOPLE. According to all religious norms, idol worship, their images, etc. is not the norm. Here, in this matter, Muslims are best of all aware, therefore I will not dwell on it for a long time, the post is not about that.

Go ahead: I would like to philosophize on the topic of what measure and justice are. I just want to convince you of the fairness of such a question.

Clearly, “justice” is a concept historicaldepending on specific historical conditions. It has changed along with the development of human society, reflecting its attitude to something. And therefore, it is fair to say that at a certain stage, Lenin was “holy” to a huge mass of people. Do you think that these people are fewer? Good! But they are still there. If the question were: “Would you like to dig up Lenin to worship him?” - then I would consider such a proposal as some utter stupidity.

But! We have a given - the body in the mausoleum, which our ancestors put there. And you know yourself that "this is the ancestors, the people's will ...". And with this reality we live. Let us from the same position discuss the relics of the saints that the church puts on display. Is it bad or good? Let us take the same measure to this given: for believers, this is considered normal. And since this is the norm and is present in our life - why should we condemn people who consider it normal? Trying on one paradigm for all, it becomes obvious that both of these phenomena can exist in our life. And when an information attack on another is intentionally raised by one group in a society, this leads to a confrontation.

Example? No need to go far. Ramzan Kadyrov makes Gennady Zyuganov apologize. So before the fight close.
“The chatter about the reburial of Vladimir Lenin’s body carries with it attempts to push generations together on Red Square and organize mass unrest,” says Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov.
Kadyrov retorted: “You are talking about Caucasian traditions prescribing respect for the graves of ancestors. No religion of the world says that a dead person should be put on public display. And we respect the graves of our ancestors, unlike the Soviet authorities, who built roads from gravestones. ”

The hot mountaineer has claims to the Soviet regime, but he lives in the same state with those who still regard this Soviet regime as the best authority. This is a question about the extent of understanding in management. I do not know how now Kadyrov will get out of it. Pride because it will not allow him to retreat from their demands in the apology.

Do you understand what I'm getting at? Either we take into account the interests of all, or everyone for himself, and farewell to the state. Therefore, questions concerning burial do not need to be raised as long as these symbols (and Lenin is a symbol) are at least dear to someone. The situation is similar with the relics of the saints.

Therefore, my answer to this survey will be:
1. NO / 2. NO
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  1. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 8 November 2017 06: 23
    16
    I agree with the author! My answer is the same: 1.NO /2.NO. yes But Kadyrov, who needs to be more modest, would be better at dealing with the problems of his region, and would not go around everywhere with his opinion, deciding for the whole country and running into threats against those who disagree with him! negative
    1. dSK
      dSK 8 November 2017 14: 30
      +5
      Every day publication: revolution - the mummy of Lenin, the mummy of Lenin - revolution;
      Who benefits from this?
      Maybe in order to close one question, to transfer Lenin’s mummy to the “balance” of the Communist Party, and let them do what they want with it? Why impose a decision on them?
      The Orthodox Church, a public organization, chose the best representatives to follow, "canonized" and honors their memory, and keeps it at its own expense.
      Communists would take the example of the Orthodox; judging by the comments, some of their followers believe that the teachings of the Communists are also a religion. hi
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 15: 52
        +4
        Quote: dsk
        Maybe in order to close one question, to transfer Lenin’s mummy to the “balance” of the Communist Party, and let them do what they want with it? Why impose a decision on them?

        It is you who are trying to impose your decision here.
        Keep quiet. The Communists, as well as their supporters, do not force you to bury the relics of saints in the ground and not drag them all over the country.
        So quit already in their demonic dances, quasi-Orthodox ..
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 11 November 2017 01: 14
      +1
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      I agree with the author! My answer is the same: 1.NO /2.NO.

      Absolutely right! The Church will never agree to bury the relics of saints forever, this is one of its foundations, and those who know the cause of Lenin and agree with the socialist and communist methods of building the state, I think they will also not agree to bury the body of Lenin!
      Lenin is not just a mummified corpse of man, it has long been an image of a monument to the man-creator of the state of equal people and opportunities!
      And do not try on church canons!
      And there is no need to vulgarize the idea of ​​a communist state, referring to individuals who dishonored this idea with their mercantile interests!
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 11 November 2017 06: 27
        0
        The relics of the saints is one of economic the foundations of the church, a propaganda point, if you want ...
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 November 2017 06: 32
    11
    1.No / 2.No! hi
  3. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 8 November 2017 06: 44
    +2
    In my opinion, all these arguments can be applied to Stalin:
    PEOPLE too, he was also considered a saint at a certain stage (yes there were fewer such people, but they still exist), also lay in the mausoleum
    only difference:
    “Do you want to dig up Lenin to worship him?” - then I would consider such a proposal as some utter stupidity

    Yes, Stalin was buried. and put him there as well as Lenin. and buried much easier. I don’t remember that there was any kind of survey. the party said that.
    therefore, is it necessary to bury Lenin: my answer is yes.
    Is it necessary to bury the saints: my answer "ask people who go to temples - it's their business." Lenin, unlike the saints, is a man who influenced the life of all citizens of the country.
    Threat, and to Lenin and Stalin personally, I am quite loyal. I think their activity is much more positive than that of Nicholas 2, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and many others in the history of the country.
  4. Nonna
    Nonna 8 November 2017 07: 05
    18
    Mausoleums with mummies are in many countries. And no one is trying to hang them with cardboard and rags, as the Kremlin does. Lenin is our story, and it is not necessary to bury Lenin, but to bring in Stalin, who was secretly, treacherously carried out at night
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 November 2017 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: Nonna
      Mausoleums with mummies are in many countries.

      Unfortunately, the body of Lenin is not embalmed too high quality, and everyone sees the inevitable decomposition processes ...
      1. Letun
        Letun 8 November 2017 10: 22
        +6
        Quote: CONTROL
        Unfortunately, the body of Lenin is not embalmed too high quality, and everyone sees the inevitable decomposition processes ...

        And the relics of the Saints do not smolder for centuries without any embalming. This is information for those who like to equate Ilyich with saints, there have been a lot of such divorced lately ... And yet, under Lenin, starting from the 20th year, the relics of saints were thrown out of churches into the street, and stables were arranged in the churches themselves warehouses and dining rooms. Moreover, the opinion of the people and ancestors was not particularly interested in him. Therefore, it will be absolutely fair to bury the mummy in the ground. And it's just a matter of time.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 16
          +7
          Quote: Letun
          And the relics of the Saints do not smolder for centuries without any embalming.

          What??
          Oh .. well, the 21st century in the yard, and here such illiteracy ..
          Indeed, even the famous French archaeologist Marie-Ludovic Lalann, back in 1847 (!) For the sake of counting, calculated that in different churches, parishes and monasteries of Europe many duplicates of the relics of the famous ascetics of the church are stored as shrines. For example, 11 index fingers of John the Baptist, three corpses of the prophet Isaiah or eight skulls and 12 severed arms and legs of the Apostle Philip.https: //scisne.net/a-164
          1. Letun
            Letun 8 November 2017 15: 07
            0
            Quote: badens1111

            Oh .. well, the 21st century in the yard, and here such illiteracy ..

            It is very good that you are aware of this, and if now you are also engaged in your self-education, then you will generally be smart. It was not about fakes. In general, you militant atheists are so amusing that for all your ignorance and deletantism, for some reason you always consider yourself smarter than others.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 8 November 2017 15: 55
              +4
              Quote: Letun
              self-education

              You are clearly not enough.
              Quote: Letun
              deletantism

              I don’t .. well, who would talk about LITERACY and self-education if, in the word DILETANT, he makes such mistakes ...
              Quote: Letun
              militant atheists are so funny

              Where did you see them, but the militant queen-devotees, a dime a dozen, either flowing from the bust of something, or from the head ...
              1. Letun
                Letun 8 November 2017 18: 32
                +2
                Quote: badens1111
                Where did you see them, but the militant queen-devotees, a dime a dozen, it’s flowing from the bust of something, or from the head ..

                Ahah, yes, of course, these same warlike Tsarozhozhniks started terrorism as a phenomenon, exploding trains and carriages. Militant Tsarobozhniki staged a coup. Militant tsarozhozhniki shot priests simply because they were alien to their ideology. Militant tsarobozhniki plunged a huge empire into the abyss of the Civil War. And finally, the warlike tsarozhozhniki shot the king (well, this is a stretch, but you can understand) and his whole family with CHILDREN and for some reason a servant and a doctor. But people like you don’t see this, or, moreover, they justify it, but they notice the poor-burning cinemas because of a bad film that is clearly not worth it ... Well, yes, yes.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 8 November 2017 19: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: Letun
                  Tsarebozhniki

                  Do you understand what Rechb is about, what is the term “queen”, or did you come to chat here?
                  From ... among the crystal bakery illiterates there is enough ... it’s really amazing how, with such a knowledge of terms, history, one undertakes to talk about something.
                  1. Letun
                    Letun 8 November 2017 20: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Do you understand what Rechb is about, what is the term “queen”, or did you come to chat here?
                    From ... among the crystal bakery illiterates there is enough ... it’s really amazing how, with such a knowledge of terms, history, one undertakes to talk about something.

                    Here is a typical representative of a near-minded verbiage ... You are our competent, you, instead of editing the spelling and looking for something to complain about, answer on the topic finally what? Not?
                    Caps the main urge: It’s not funny for you, the adherents of the “sacred mummy” to draw an analogy between the holy relics and the man who threw these holy relics onto the street. TO THE STREET
                    It’s just that comrades from a neighboring country with their “And us for sho” look like serious guys against your background.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 8 November 2017 21: 28
                      +4
                      Quote: Letun
                      from a neighboring state

                      These figures from a neighboring state, the same as you, are no different.
                      They threw out the monuments to Lenin and you there, how do you differ from them. NOTHING.
            2. Freeman
              Freeman 8 November 2017 17: 56
              +3
              Summer Today, 15: 07
              It was not about fakes. In general, you militant atheists are so amusing that for all your ignorance and deletantism, for some reason you always consider yourself smarter than others.

              ... There is even a professional joke of church archaeologists: ten heads of John the Baptist are known in the world, but only three of them are genuine ...
              And for people it doesn’t matter if it’s fake or rare. What they feel, waiting in the cold, is authenticity. And the Lord gives them by their faith.
              / Protodeacon Andrey Kuraev /
              source: http://www.mk.ru/social/interview/2014/01/20/9727
              12-borets-s-golubyim-drakonom.html

              So why do you, while honoring your saints, deny others the right to honor whom they want and the way they want?
              1. Letun
                Letun 8 November 2017 18: 35
                +1
                Quote: Freeman
                So why do you, while honoring your saints, deny others the right to honor whom they want and the way they want?

                Well, you do not mind at all that in Ukraine they are now honoring Bandera, Shukhevych, and some even Hitler? You will not deny them the right to read them?
                Lenin is never a saint. Quite the contrary.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 8 November 2017 19: 36
                  +6
                  Quote: Letun
                  Well, you do not mind at all that in Ukraine they are now honoring Bandera, Shukhevych, and some even Hitler? You will not deny them the right to read them?

                  Refuse. We can fill the muzzle. In memory of our ancestors in the Red Army, which your company of Banderoshukhevychs and other Hitlers was ousted.
                  Quote: Letun
                  Lenin is never a saint. Quite the contrary.

                  But does anyone say that he is a saint? You are confusing something.
                  What Lenin did, you can’t do anything comparable, and if so, you would have to shut up. Without showing something ...
                  1. Letun
                    Letun 8 November 2017 20: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Refuse. We can fill the muzzle. In memory of our ancestors in the Red Army, which your company of Banderoshukhevychs and other Hitlers was ousted.

                    Ours? Oh, dear, well now everything is completely clear with you ... If you have been driven into a corner by arguments, start insulting your interlocutor. In general, for you it was clear from the first post, the question was only how much you hold out. Not for long. Not surprised.
                    Quote: badens1111
                    What Lenin did, you can’t do anything comparable, and if so, you would have to shut up. Without showing something ...

                    Quite right, I really am not capable of killing people by the thousands because they do not agree with my line. Why should I be silent? I have nothing to be ashamed of my point of view. And it’s not for you to shut up my mouth, I certainly won’t ask you where I am silent, but where not.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 8 November 2017 21: 32
                      +4
                      Quote: Letun
                      Ours? Oh, dear, well now everything is clear with you completely ..

                      Hamim, narrow-minded?
                      What arguments did you deign to bring apart from a silly idle talk about the prince of Bandera?
                      Quote: Letun
                      Why should I be silent?

                      Because before you open your mouth, you still have to think about why it’s been opened, since I’m chewing on one question, I’m stupid to say. Another thing. So you choose what to do.
                      Talking about the revolution, Lenin, its opponents go in the same circle, carefully reproducing the same, in our opinion, erroneous arguments.

                      1. Even if you are very fond of the monarchy, you must somehow accept the simple fact that the Bolsheviks did not overthrow the tsar. The Bolsheviks overthrew the liberal-zapadnicheskoe Provisional Government.

                      2. The fight against the Bolsheviks was not started by the people who fought for “Faith, Tsar and Fatherland,” but rather Lavr Kornilov, the general who announced the arrest of the empress and the royal family.

                      Among his closest associates was Boris Savinkov - Social Revolutionary, a revolutionary, a terrorist who did everything to overthrow the monarchy. Savinkov tried to save the Provisional Government in the Winter. He served as commissar of the Provisional Government in the detachment of General Peter Krasnov. Engaged in the formation of the Volunteer Army.

                      Another prominent figure in the White movement, General Mikhail Alekseev, was also involved in the removal of Nicholas II from power; in addition, like many leaders of the Provisional Government, Alekseev entered the Masonic Lodge.

                      The question is, in fact, one. People who oppose the Bolsheviks and Lenin really believe that Russia would be better if it were ruled by liberals, revolutionaries who practiced terrorist methods, and generals who had changed their oath during the entire XX century?
                2. Freeman
                  Freeman 8 November 2017 20: 09
                  +5
                  Summer Today, 18: 35
                  Lenin is never a saint. Quite the contrary.

                  I agree. For many, he is the "Founder of the Soviet State and the Leader of the world proletariat."
                  Well, you do not mind at all that in Ukraine they are now honoring Bandera, Shukhevych, and some even Hitler? You will not deny them the right to read them?

                  No, just I am against, because this is a political issue.
                  And with political enemies I will fight.
                  И question reburial Lenin’s body is also a political issue.
                  No matter how the forces that came to power in Russia try to disguise precisely the political essence of this issue, moral and ethical principles and religious traditions and dogmas.
                  And with this I will fight too.
        2. Vilensky
          Vilensky 10 November 2017 14: 31
          0
          Absolutely right. I will add that the statement of the question itself in this way reflects the complete spiritual degradation of the question director and those who compare the relics and the corpse.
          In ancient times, the Jews brought into the country, which they wanted to conquer the red corpse, called the teraphim. John Vasilyevich put them out of Russia, for which they hate him. And now a rotting teraphim lies in the heart of Russia, fills it with spiritual stench, negatively affecting people ..
          1. the lord
            the lord 11 November 2017 04: 56
            +2
            Ek, how the Orthodox demons are snatching you from him)))))) No, he should be lying there, so that you, the Byzantine bastards, for the ruin of our world, for subjugating Russia to Constantinople, which he later lost to halal, to render full service to the horde. The mausoleum is his tomb, and consecrated by our victories. And break off your teeth and not only if you decide to re-change)))
    2. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 8 November 2017 20: 01
      +2

      Made in USSR. Thanks, not against him!
  5. baudolino
    baudolino 8 November 2017 07: 23
    +3
    Demagogy with a capital letter. From the series that "gays are people too and they can do anything." The times when it was possible to set up cemeteries wherever it pleased were long gone. But the prospect of turning someday the mummy of Ulyanov into a museum exhibit, resold and exhibited somewhere in the British Museum, remains quite real.
    1. FID
      FID 8 November 2017 09: 02
      +3
      I apologize, but what about Bandera (I wanted to write yours, but ...) Is this NOT DEMAGOGY?
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 17
      +5
      Quote: baudolino
      But the prospect of turning someday the mummy of Ulyanov into a museum exhibit, resold and exhibited somewhere in the British Museum, remains quite real.

      Rather, the last Bandera in the zoo will exhibit than your guess.
  6. tasha
    tasha 8 November 2017 07: 25
    0
    Let's conduct a survey on VO.
    I will leave four comments:
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 November 2017 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      Let's conduct a survey on VO.
      I will leave four comments:

      Better leave these comments to Myself ...
      1. tasha
        tasha 8 November 2017 09: 23
        0
        Hello. Something is wrong? It seemed to me that you are trying to be rude .. Is there any reason for this?
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 8 November 2017 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: tasha
          Hello. Something is wrong? It seemed to me that you are trying to be rude .. Is there any reason for this?

          No, not in the elections, go! (even you, as expected, in magpies, polite ...)
          It’s simple - the article is not for “opinions”; I, too, not only do not impose my own on anyone, but also do not inform! Although I have them - opinions - mountain-a-ah-zdo more than four ...
  7. tasha
    tasha 8 November 2017 07: 26
    +7
    1. Do you support the idea of ​​V.I. Lenin? Answer YES:
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  8. tasha
    tasha 8 November 2017 07: 27
    15
    1. Do you support the idea of ​​V.I. Lenin? No answer
  9. tasha
    tasha 8 November 2017 07: 27
    +7
    2. Do you support the idea of ​​burying the remains of the relics of saints? Answer YES:
  10. tasha
    tasha 8 November 2017 07: 28
    13
    2. Do you support the idea of ​​burying the remains of the relics of saints? No answer
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2017 07: 43
    13
    As soon as the country is not quite calm (for various reasons), the question of the burial of Lenin immediately pops up. Honestly, this is already annoying. Are there any other relevant topics requiring a solution in the country?
    1. creak
      creak 8 November 2017 08: 05
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . Are there any other relevant topics requiring a solution in the country?

      That is why they are throwing this idea in order not to discuss the actual problems affecting the vital interests of people .... Why discuss the level of our salaries, pensions, and the state of healthcare - it is better to sympathize with the heavy share of Ukrainian workers ...
    2. FID
      FID 8 November 2017 09: 04
      +8
      I'm sorry, this is called - distraction ....
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 November 2017 09: 17
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As soon as the country is not quite calm (for various reasons), the question of the burial of Lenin immediately pops up. Honestly, this is already annoying. Are there any other relevant topics requiring a solution in the country?

      Lord!
      Why do we have so few reasonable people ?!
      ... and why can you put only one plus? ...
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 8 November 2017 09: 30
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      As soon as the country is not quite calm (for various reasons), the question of the burial of Lenin immediately pops up. Honestly, this is already annoying. Are there any other relevant topics requiring a solution in the country?

      And why in this connection not to talk about the monument to the drunk, or rather its expediency? about the occurrence of all sorts of places of grief here and there. In memory of the victims of political repression ?????, so you need to make a WALL of memory for the victims of economic repression. !!!!!!
  12. VadimSt
    VadimSt 8 November 2017 08: 19
    +2
    Rave! Saints, canonized by the Orthodox Church and put it, in a poll, stupidity! And the paid entrance to the Mausoleum, in fact, crosses it out as a state property. This is not a mausoleum, nor a wax museum. Entrance to some public places is also paid, so you are thinking - you go to the National Complex or public place.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 November 2017 08: 58
      +5
      Brad!
      It’s good that you entitled your note.
      Firstly, those who respect their past were noted on the red flag in VO .. How can an anti-Soviet go with a red flag, and hang an emblem on an avatar to confuse.
      Secondly, do not make yourself holy. If such a lover of Orthodoxy probably know prayers? I doubt it!
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 8 November 2017 10: 52
        +7
        I stayed in the CPSU for 17 years, until the communist revisionists sold, drank and destroyed the USSR, Soviet power and Soviet society. And he did not change or give up his party ticket, for any other, even when they demanded that he disown, for it turned out that only non-partisans could "serve the people". And it’s not for you to teach the menu which Flag and Coat of Arms suits me, and where I have conscience and morality. I don’t know the prayers, but I’m sorry, because I am Russian and am baptized, like all Orthodox, and my children are also baptized!
        But the Soviet party reality and its heroes, in 70-90's, I do not remember from books. And I know. where did the rot, the golden youth, secular society and everything else come from. And such "holy patriots", from the clip of the notorious Mehlis, whom you expose yourself to, I saw - it was they who were the first to tear not only "claws", but at the same time party cards - crossing into Democrats and new Russians! So, verbal diarrhea, leave it for the pioneers, - with blue ties. And teach your wife, for example, to cook borsch, and not me, to the mind !!
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 10: 57
          +4
          Quote: VadimSt
          Yes, and such "holy patriots," from the clip of the notorious Mehlis

          Eh .. everything seems to be correct you are saying, but with that Mehlis missed.
          The leader of the RKK, from one look of which all kinds of party bones, bureaucrats and just loafers gave way to legs and uncontrollable diarrhea began. They appealed to the “golden youth” apologists, that’s what anti-Soviet propaganda does, even with unconditionally Soviet people ... sadly.

          Being the People’s Commissar of the People’s Commissariat of State Control, an honest lack of money, which cannot be bought, Mehlis became a scourge for the party-state nomenclature trying to profit from the Soviet people. And although less than a year was left before the start of the war, Lev Zakharovich managed to give hands on many, naturally causing fear and hatred of the highest bureaucracy. Hit the drug industry of light industry, the drug of state farms, the drug of the shipbuilding industry, the drug of the oil industry, Mehlis withdrew 3288 rubles from the salary of the People’s Commissar of the Navy, which he ate at the expense of the money allocated for social welfare, went to the drug of the meat and dairy industry and even the Prosecutor General, who Mehlis’s demand was forced to bring to court his thieving heads of departments. In the first half of 1941 alone, Mehlis organized over 400 revisions, thoroughly turning the hornet's nest of greedy villains.

          Today's pests, enemies, robbers, parasites, opportunists, mediocrity and just scum are pouring mud and slop on the honest man of the Stalin USSR - Lev Zakharovich Mehlis - Colonel General, Member of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR of the 7th convocation, deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR 1-2nd convocations, member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), member of the Organizing Bureau of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), doctor of economic sciences http://poltora-bobra.livejournal.com/65000.html
          1. VadimSt
            VadimSt 8 November 2017 11: 13
            +3
            This is what you tell the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, - from privates to marshals!
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 18
              +4
              Quote: VadimSt
              This is what you tell the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, - from privates to marshals!

              Everything is clear with you, disguised as a communist.
              1. VadimSt
                VadimSt 8 November 2017 13: 25
                +2
                Go learn your lessons!
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 8 November 2017 15: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: VadimSt
                  Go learn your lessons!

                  Well, for you to see how you taught them. NO.
          2. bober1982
            bober1982 8 November 2017 11: 18
            +5
            Quote: badens1111
            Being the People’s Commissar of the People’s Commissariat of State Control, an honest unbounded man who cannot be bought, Mehlis

            It’s you, dear, amused about the “honest” party member, because this comrade was a classic opportunist.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 20
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              because this comrade was a classic opportunist.

              Lying is not good. Your parents didn’t talk about it. Didn’t you?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 8 November 2017 11: 29
                +4
                Quote: badens1111
                Lying is bad

                Do you know his way of life, so to speak? even awkward somehow. The person is disgusting, but I say - people like him and those like him ruined the USSR.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 8 November 2017 15: 58
                  +4
                  Quote: bober1982
                  The person is disgusting, but I say - people like him and those like him ruined the USSR.

                  Yes? Oh, well ... should he be disgusting to thieves and emissaries, golovotyapam and loafers?
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 8 November 2017 11: 51
          +3
          And teach your wife, for example, to cook borsch,
          it is clear which of the liberals you have in authority, and the Mehlis, was certainly too cruel, but certainly not a consumer.
          And what about what the Communists sold, were they Communists? Yesterday, a faithful messenger, so as not to apologize to Kadyrov. What communist is he? He is Ksyusha Zyuganov.
    2. Freeman
      Freeman 8 November 2017 10: 19
      +5
      VadimSt Today, 08:19
      A paid entrance to the Mausoleum ...

      Visiting the Mausoleum is free.

      https://www.msk-guide.ru/page_10200.htm
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 8 November 2017 11: 09
        +1
        I noticed this when I handed over the phone to the left-luggage office.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 8 November 2017 18: 09
          +5
          Quote: VadimSt
          I noticed this when I handed over the phone to the left-luggage office.

          And after that you were given a "ticket to visit the Mausoleum", where was the price for visiting it indicated?
    3. the lord
      the lord 11 November 2017 05: 04
      0
      Some public places, I understand what you hinted at, but I will disappoint you. You were not able to create a successful association, and entrance to museums is paid for exhibitions, theaters and cinema. And who just liked you for this comment?
  13. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 8 November 2017 08: 33
    +4
    My answer is also NO / NO. And in general we got these grave-digger talk: to bury Lenin or not. Well, why do our statesmen not deal with economic issues, social programs and corruption may the mind be lacking? So the Chinese do not bother with the issue of reburial of Mao Zedong and the economy is in full swing. And to take the brothers in their minds Ukrainians so they demolish the monuments to Ilyich. What do they live better and better? I believe that talking about reburial is from a lack of mind, which is sad and generally poorly characterizes a person if he is in a leadership position in particular.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 November 2017 08: 53
      +3
      do not deal with economic issues, social programs and corruption
      so no money anyway ...
  14. Alone
    Alone 8 November 2017 08: 37
    +6
    And I think, if Lenin is buried, then the "relics of the saints" are there too.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 November 2017 09: 14
      +1
      Quote: Alone
      And I think, if Lenin is buried, then the "relics of the saints" are there too.

      most of the relics of the saints have already been buried once!
      1. the lord
        the lord 11 November 2017 05: 07
        +1
        So what? In my opinion, from this fact, they only become more vile
  15. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 8 November 2017 08: 46
    +6
    I support the idea of ​​the burial of Lenin’s body; nobody needs a crypt in the very center of Moscow. He, of course, was an outstanding statesman, but, above all, he was a man. Let him rest next to other leaders of the USSR.
    With the relics of saints is more difficult. The issue of burial of the remains should be decided by the church, not the state. If the relics really helped many to recover from serious illnesses, then let everything remain as it is.
    1. TRex
      TRex 8 November 2017 09: 41
      +3
      We live in the 21 century, and in the center of the capital of a leading nuclear power, the capital that met the first cosmonaut of the Earth, who gave birth to the greatest scientists of our time, who unites hundreds of peoples with different religions and beliefs - lies an embalmed corpse, which is on public display. People! Are we savages ??? For far-fetched reasons, we do not allow the human to bury the deceased ...
      I would have completely liquidated this cemetery near the Kremlin wall ... Find a decent, beautiful place outside the city. Set up a cemetery there for the burial of great citizens of the state - both forward and with a song ...
      In the meantime ... while they look at us like a freaking mausoleum, a mummy ... ugh bl ... ... !!!
      1. the lord
        the lord 11 November 2017 05: 11
        +3
        Do you remember where exactly on the red square did you meet this first astronaut? And he himself stood in what place of Red Square, making welcome speeches? And what about the flags of the Reich at the foot of which they threw on Red Square?
        Regarding the cemetery near the Kremlin wall- make more of these people- maybe they will give you the right to do so, but for now- die out silently, citizen Tirex))))
      2. turbris
        turbris 11 November 2017 10: 41
        +1
        Concerts, holidays are held on Red Square, people have fun, sing and dance, and there is a cemetery with an embalmed corpse nearby, of course, all this must be removed from the center of the capital, I agree with your opinion.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 11 November 2017 10: 47
          0
          Quote: turbris
          must be removed from the center of the capital

          Yes?
          And then let's cancel Russia altogether. And dance to the daze.
          You do not understand what it is about, or specifically make a fire?
          1. turbris
            turbris 11 November 2017 11: 21
            0
            Do you think that all of Russia rests only on the mausoleum with Lenin? You are deeply mistaken, I am generally against fanatics, both religious and political.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 11 November 2017 11: 25
              0
              Well, don’t be a fan of the thought of being a grave digger, without you enough.
              Where did the banners of the defeated Reich throw? Where was the Victory Parade?
              And you all arrange clownery and dance ..
            2. the lord
              the lord 14 November 2017 01: 03
              0
              Not only, but also on it. Without it, Red Square will lose solemnity and empty visually
        2. the lord
          the lord 14 November 2017 01: 02
          0
          And in cities it’s always like this — next to the cemetery, there may also be some restaurant or club ... It's a bit crowded in the cities. And if you take into account that once all of Moscow was approximately within the Kremlin, then there have been many cemeteries there since ancient times and places of mass killings of people, especially in the penultimate campaign of weight-lifting to Moscow. Doesn’t it bother you to dance on Red Square?
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 10: 59
      +9
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      I support the idea of ​​the burial of Lenin’s body; nobody needs a crypt in the very center of Moscow.

      Words of the White Commissioner.
      Read the LAW of the Russian Federation "On burial2, everything is said there.
      Not you buried, not you and the coffins to disturb.
      1. turbris
        turbris 11 November 2017 11: 51
        0
        Those who buried are no longer there, but this does not mean that nothing can be done.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2017 08: 52
    +9
    Kadyrov retorted: “You are talking about Caucasian traditions prescribing respect for the graves of ancestors. Not one religion in the world says that a dead person must be put on public display
    Already written, transcribed. In Rome there are burials on the principle of our Mausoleum. Then the whole royal family, like Lenin, is in crypts in the Kremlin. Finally, the relics of the saint were brought to Moscow, not even the whole, but the dismemberment. And nothing went applied.
    Everything is very simple, either you are from the people and for the people, and therefore do not touch Lenin. Either you are from former counts or from offended ones.
  17. CONTROL
    CONTROL 8 November 2017 09: 13
    +6
    Lenin is an embalmed corpse!
    And the "remains of the relics of saints" are artifacts of faith, as a rule - parts of human bodies. Nobody embalmed them, they are imperishable by the nature of faith, religion, and possess fundamentally unexplained science properties and qualities. For example, the embalmed corpse of Lenin "smacks of" and - although slowly - decomposes; body parts - and even the whole body! - saints (including saints of other non-Christian religions) are not subject to natural decomposition; often - in violation of the fundamental laws of conservation of matter - Aromatic substances (the so-called myrrh-streaming) are massively transferred in an unknown manner to the space surrounding them, many times greater than the mass of the artifact itself, and having - as an organic product - although quite amenable to chemical. analysis of the composition, but - which has no analogues in nature. (no one forbids to analyze and take into account - and also to observe the process of "myrrh-streaming")
    And here the question arises of the nature of religion, which has been repeatedly raised by both philosophers and theologians and natural scientists. What is religion, faith? So: they affirm (we exclude atheists ...) that religion is one of the ways and methods of both knowing and organizing the world around us in our interests. He, this "surrounding us" - is limitedly cognizable and just as limitedly subject to our influence, and to man - while he is a man! - neither his absolute knowledge nor absolute power over him is available!
    That is why many of the most prominent scientists are believers! pure pragmatism, recognition of the limitations of human nature and the human mind ...
    -----------------------------------------
    And the mummy of Lenin is an artifact of the "new religion-ideology", an artificially preserved corpse - yes, a great historical figure in Russia and the world.
    (The Pharaohs were also embalmed, but they were "caulked" into sarcophagi and hidden in the pyramids, and there was no access there).
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: CONTROL
      including saints of other non-Christian religions) are not subject to natural decomposition; often - in violation of the fundamental laws of conservation of matter - in an unknown manner they transfer aromatic substances (i.e., myrrh-streaming) in mass that are many times greater than the mass of the artifact itself, and having - as an organic product - although quite amenable to chemical. analysis of the composition, but - which has no analogues in nature. (no one forbids to analyze and take into account - and also to observe the process of "myrrh-streaming")

      In the case of the relics, some priests were questioned. For example, hegumen of the Mitrofanov monastery Vladimir Danshin, hieromonk Feona Tribunsky and the archbishop of Voronezh Tikhon

      From interrogation:

      - Do you plead guilty to forging relics for the purpose of exploiting the religious feelings of citizens?

      “No,” replies Theon, “I will tell you briefly about this: when they put a soldier in a state box, does he really know what lies there and how much money is there.” No! So are we. They put us to the coffin, but what was there - we did not know. I just changed clothes. If he looked inside the coffin, now it would be reported to the authorities, and I would be torn to pieces. After all, we have rams in the monastery. I took off only two pairs of gloves, but there were only four pairs, or even five. (Although I myself opened up the relics at that time with you, I don’t remember four or five couples there). The bags are long and I put cotton. Not all, but a few added to the former: did it to fill the void in the coffin. Who put the bags inside instead of the chest and abdomen - I do not know. Who forged the legs, I also do not know, I did not even shoe them. In this form, they could lie a hundred years. Who forged the relics - the undertakers or the bishop ordered - I do not know. Maybe both; I assume that they were faked at the very beginning. When I discovered the relics with the commission, I was very surprised when I saw the contents. Signature: Abbot Vladimir
      http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic1620497.html
      The relics of Artemia Verkolsky, Arkhangelsk lips.

      20 December
      1918
      Coffin divided into 3 parts, in the first part of cotton wool, in the 2nd church vestments, in the 3rd small red chest, tied with a cord and sealed with seals of the Verkolsky monastery. At the opening of the chest, it was found: ordinary coal, burnt nails and small bricks. There are no signs of bone.

      At the autopsy there were monks and Archimandrite Ioanic. Some monks with the words, this is how we have been deceived so far, they began to take off their monastery clothes and, throwing them into the corner of the church, said: “It’s enough to fool us”. ... One of the village women, when she saw what was found instead of the relics, said: “I, a fool, came here last year and, when I approached the cancer, I trembled with fear, thinking that there really was an imperishable saint, and here look what rubbish is imposed instead of the saint. "
      11-19 g. (Great Ustyug).
      http://kritix.ru/religion-and-atheism/437
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 November 2017 11: 16
        +2
        Quote: badens1111
        In the case of relics

        ... yeah!
        Only - many relics-artifacts are put on public display: under glass caps (unopened!), Many are accessible - and officially provided! - for scientific research. The question of "scam with relics" and of not too many "artifacts of faith" has been discussed many times and has long been closed ... Even a feature film was shot about "Zoe's standing" - "Miracle" is called; very recent story ...
        ---------------------------------------
        and bring so muddy "investigation materials on the body" .... a variant of the clinic? psychosis... Americans also landed on the moon, and even brought lunar soil ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 12: 42
          +3
          Quote: CONTROL
          Americans also landed on the moon, and even brought lunar soil ...

          It is true that something was not observed that there was a trace, although, according to their tales, they nearly dragged half a ton.
          Quote: CONTROL
          even a feature film was shot about "Zoe's standing" - "Miracle" is called; very recent story ...

          Standing turned out to be fake.
          In general, awakening the topic with the Lenin Mausoleum, distracting the attention of the population from others. Where as more pressing problems.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 8 November 2017 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: badens1111
            Standing turned out to be fake.

            There was a panic among local party members, unrest in the city, all information about this story was classified.
            And you say - fake.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 8 November 2017 16: 00
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              - fake.

              Rumors.
              Enough already, in the likeness of AIDS, to push any dregs into society.
  18. Sars
    Sars 8 November 2017 09: 16
    +2
    If comrade Zyuganov wants to continue the satanic ritual with the mummy of Lenin, let him do it for the money of his party somewhere separately from the center of the state. Personally, I have nothing against the punishment of the leader’s soul, for his deeds, in this way I do not have.

    And about the relics - the same necrophilia. Orthodox show them on their territory.
    1. AA17
      AA17 8 November 2017 10: 49
      +5
      Dear, SarS. And you didn’t think about how much the Russian people poured the construction and maintenance of the E-center. "... So how much did the construction and maintenance of the Yeltsin Center cost the country's budget? Open source construction cost 7 billion rubles, and maintenance in 2016 cost 6,43 billion rubles. Total, ziggurat Boris Yeltsin, the killer of the USSR and million Russians, it costs 13,43 billion rubles at least ... "
      "... expenses for the acquisition of fixed assets, inventory and other property can be explained, but the amount is still not anti-crisis - more than 6 billion rubles were spent on all this in EC. Expenditures on the management apparatus amounted to 103 million, wages are growing every year and reached 2015 million rubles in 65,5. More than 12 million rubles were spent at conferences, seminars and meetings, and more than 53,5 million rubles were spent on “other events.” Almost 6 million rubles were spent in 2015 on business trips .... "
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 November 2017 17: 09
        +3
        With two hands behind transfer to "balance" Mausoleum - Communist Party и Yeltsin Center - "United Russia"! For three years now, Siluanov has reduced the budget of countries with a deficit of 3%, and has been increasing public debt. And it will be seen in fact how much they will collect on entrance tickets, will they recoup their costs? How much they are needed by the people.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 8 November 2017 19: 49
          +3
          Quote: dsk
          With two hands for the transfer to the "balance"

          Under one condition, Chubais, Svanidza, Kudrins, other dog dogs, Drandins, Yavlinsky bears 2% on Kolyma, wagging and kayl to get gold, wheelbarrows, Kyles, sweatshirts and pants, we provide.
  19. evil partisan
    evil partisan 8 November 2017 09: 17
    +6
    Strength is no longer from this idiocy. The mausoleum is a fact of our History. And it should be treated as a fact of history. And protect it in every possible way with the money of the Ministry of Culture, which implies its maintenance in the exact form in which it arose.
    1. Sars
      Sars 8 November 2017 09: 27
      +3
      Dear comrade, evil partisan. Let's say tomorrow Gorbachev dies. Our authorities will decide to perpetuate it in the same way in the same place. And they will call it all (the new mausoleum) a part of history. But you can also dig up Yeltsin, overlay his corpse with the Chubais - Gaidars, and we also get a historical monument.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 8 November 2017 11: 22
        +8
        Quote: SarS
        But you can also dig up Yeltsin, overlay his corpse with Chubais - Gaidars, and also - we will receive a historical monument.

        It is very easy to answer your tricky question. Farewell to Lenin in the House of Unions lasted, if my memory serves me, 5 (!!) days. More than half a million people passed past the coffin with the deceased (very approximately, who counted them?). Peasant delegations walked for 10 days (!!!) to Moscow to pay tribute to the deceased. Is the scale of the phenomenon called Lenin clear?
        And no one forbids to erect monuments to Yeltsin (it’s standing in our city ...), Gorbachev, etc. Let them stand, unless, of course, the residents of a city / village / village do not mind. But they will become historical monuments or not - this time will tell.
        Yes. And why are you going to dig Chubais ?? belay He is still alive !! yes Or do you have an insider ?? wink I'm all for it! repeat
        1. the lord
          the lord 11 November 2017 05: 17
          0
          But there are many people who want to bury Chubais and the living, and then dig it up, dig it up again, and then dig it up, dig it in, wait more time, and then dig it out ....
  20. Lars971a
    Lars971a 8 November 2017 09: 22
    +3
    I agree! Answer 1.No. 2. No.
  21. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 8 November 2017 09: 31
    +3
    The author is well done! It is not worth paying attention to Kadyrov and others like him. I emphasize that I am not a supporter of Lenin.
  22. badens1111
    badens1111 8 November 2017 11: 04
    +2
    Well done author. Exceptionally healthy view of the problem. Support.
  23. Vanek
    Vanek 8 November 2017 11: 18
    +1
    One part of me says “NO” to both questions. Another echoes her. To those questions, "YES" answers ...
  24. evil partisan
    evil partisan 8 November 2017 11: 23
    +4
    Quote: wicked partisan
    Quote: SarS
    But you can also dig up Yeltsin, overlay his corpse with Chubais - Gaidars, and also - we will receive a historical monument.

    It is very easy to answer your tricky question. Farewell to Lenin in the House of Unions lasted, if my memory serves me, 5 (!!) days. More than half a million people passed past the coffin with the deceased (very approximately, who counted them?). Peasant delegations walked for 6 days (!!!) to Moscow to pay tribute to the deceased. Is the scale of the phenomenon called Lenin clear?
    And no one forbids to erect monuments to Yeltsin (it’s standing in our city ...), Gorbachev, etc. Let them stand, unless, of course, the residents of a city / village / village do not mind. But they will become historical monuments or not - this time will tell. And the Mausoleum has become.
    Yes. And why are you going to dig Chubais ?? belay He is still alive !! yes Or do you have an insider ?? wink I'm all for it! repeat
    And further. The corpse of Yeltsin is no longer to dig! request The worms were fixed. request To shine. sad
  25. Pacifist
    Pacifist 8 November 2017 12: 12
    +3
    I agree with the author.
    Ethnocultural and religious differences in the perception of certain customs have always generated controversy and conflict, but it is important to understand that the saying "do not climb into someone else’s monastery with their charter" accurately reflects the essence of the issue. Lenin, for all the palette of relations to him, is no longer a concrete person, he is a symbol of the era. In my understanding, to consider questions about his burial is absolutely equivalent to the topic of demolition of monuments, i.e. incorrect and stupid. This is history. No need to burn bonfires. Any sudden gestures on this subject are harmful.
  26. turbris
    turbris 8 November 2017 12: 57
    +2
    Politburo and Central Committee of the CPSU led the USSR to collapse? Does anyone have any objections to this fact? The October Revolution is of course a historical event, it stirred the whole world, the people believed in socialism, as a result, where are all these gains? V.I. Lenin was certainly an outstanding person, but the family asked him to be buried according to Orthodox Christian customs, Krupskaya repeatedly appealed to the party bodies, but the Central Committee decided in its own way, they needed an immortal leader. Stop tormenting the corruptible body, bring it to the ground, and then they will begin to make a saint out of it.
    1. the lord
      the lord 11 November 2017 05: 21
      +2
      How will this fact affect your life?
      And the Orthodox, like all Christians, have been broadcasting for 2 thousand years about the imminent coming of the kingdom of God, but it does not and never does. Isn’t it time to bring to hell all these churches and temples of liars and world-eaters?
  27. Disorder
    Disorder 8 November 2017 13: 17
    0
    The question is posed incorrectly. It can only be a matter of reburial of Lenin, since he is already buried, and even correctly according to religious canons.
  28. sunzhenets
    sunzhenets 8 November 2017 13: 41
    +5
    1) A citizen of a heroic academician could address the issue of genocide of the Russian population in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (on the territory given to him for feeding) in the 90s. "Hot Highlander" takes a lot on himself.
    2) Art. 3 Federal Law No. 8 “On burial ...”: Burial can be carried out by putting the body (remains) of the deceased on the ground (burial in a grave, crypt). Complies with the law.
    3) Lenin was an atheist. Contemporaries of Ilyich decided to bury in the mausoleum - so be it. And not the Russian Orthodox Church, Kadyrov and other bourgeoisie to change their decision.
    4) no / no (although Article 1 of the Federal Law No. 8 "On Burial ..." gives guarantees for the burial of the deceased)
  29. ver_
    ver_ 8 November 2017 14: 03
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    1. Do you support the idea of ​​V.I. Lenin? Answer YES:

    ..receive and dispel ..
    1. the lord
      the lord 11 November 2017 05: 22
      +2
      Before you try on others, try it yourself))))
  30. ver_
    ver_ 8 November 2017 14: 23
    0
    Quote: SarS
    If comrade Zyuganov wants to continue the satanic ritual with the mummy of Lenin, let him do it for the money of his party somewhere separately from the center of the state. Personally, I have nothing against the punishment of the leader’s soul, for his deeds, in this way I do not have.

    And about the relics - the same necrophilia. Orthodox show them on their territory.

    ... you can even send to Mecca, there is a chest of Moses ..
  31. badens1111
    badens1111 8 November 2017 16: 01
    +5
    Quote: turbris
    the family asked him to be buried according to Orthodox Christian customs, Krupskaya on this occasion repeatedly appealed to the party bodies,

    Lying.
    1. turbris
      turbris 8 November 2017 20: 59
      0
      Well, actually this is a historical fact, there are relevant documents, they were printed more than once. If you don’t know about it, then it means a lie?
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 8 November 2017 21: 33
        +3
        Quote: turbris
        Well actually

        FALSE. And do not read the yellow press for breakfast.
        1. turbris
          turbris 9 November 2017 11: 37
          0
          Well, of course, how can you prove your point? Or do you not need this, are you convinced of this and this is enough?
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 11 November 2017 11: 28
            0
            And you try to work a little.
            Or is this not part of your responsibilities, other than distributing falshaki?
  32. datur
    datur 8 November 2017 21: 24
    +2
    1.no! 2.no !!!
  33. insular
    insular 9 November 2017 04: 08
    0
    It is simply interesting which of those who answered NO to both questions would agree that their children and husbands / wives, parents, be mummified and be an object of international tourism?

    I definitely wouldn’t want to. Therefore, to both answers YES. No matter how, cremation, burial, but not mummification for all to see.
    Frost on the skin from this.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 9 November 2017 09: 39
      +3
      Quote: insular
      I would definitely not want to.

      Well, you are not something significant in world history, the form of burial was chosen by virtue of a historically significant figure, as a tribute to a person, and your vanity with demotivators gives you still not a very competent person or a person who does not give food to his mind, so that to understand the meaning of what was done by such people.
      1. turbris
        turbris 9 November 2017 11: 40
        0
        God forbid any of us be a historically significant figure, can anyone agree in life to do something like this with his body?
      2. insular
        insular 9 November 2017 23: 17
        0
        Quote: badens1111
        Well, you are not something significant in world history

        You cannot know me and my significance, moreover you cannot see the future, and future achievements. Your judgments are superficial and not far-sighted.
        Quote: badens1111
        the form of burial was chosen by virtue of a historically significant figure, as a tribute to man
        This is not an answer to the question, but an attempt to justify oneself. But I will be patient and once again, already to you, I will ask the same question:
        Would you agree that your children and wife, parents, would be mummified and be an object of international tourism (even if they would have contributed and become such a figure)?
        Quote: badens1111
        and your fuss with demotivators gives you all the same not a very competent person or a person who does not give food to his mind

        1. This is not a demotivator. You are mistaken
        2. No fuss. You are mistaken
        3. In the picture, the undead are not the dead dead. If you are not familiar with the term rest, then you will not talk about literacy.
        4. Judging by your remarks, you do not give food to your mind at all. But in vain.
        Quote: badens1111
        to understand the meaning of what was done by such people.
        We can continue discussions only after your answer to the initial question. So that you can understand the meaning of what was done by such people, and not your hypocrisy.

        And now I'm waiting for an answer ... By the way, what is the significance of this mummy for humanity?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 46
          +1
          Quote: insular
          You cannot know me and my significance, moreover you cannot see the future, and future achievements. Your judgments are superficial and not far-sighted.

          Why can not I, I can, judging by your writings.
          Quote: insular
          This is not an answer to the question, but an attempt to justify oneself. But I will be patient and once again, already to you, I will ask the same question:

          This is the ANSWER. So the people decided in 1924. Everything, the question is closed.
          Quote: insular
          Would you agree that your children and wife, parents, would be mummified and be an object of international tourism (even if they would have contributed and become such a figure)?

          Chatter.
          I myself, unlike you, do not equal the figure of a world scale.
          Quote: insular
          1. This is not a demotivator. You are mistaken
          2. No fuss. You are mistaken
          3. In the picture, the undead are not the dead dead. If you are not familiar with the term rest, then you will not talk about literacy.

          Others and during life become a kind of undead, deed to see them, especially over the past 30 years.
          Quote: insular
          We can continue discussions only after your answer to the initial question. So that you can understand the meaning of what was done by such people, and not your hypocrisy.

          You care about your hypocrisy, it will be more true.
        2. the lord
          the lord 11 November 2017 05: 28
          +1
          But the photo you exposed is fundamentally not the case. The body of Lenin is not represented by any stupid pose, everything is respectable, noble. And if with whom of my relatives the people wanted to do the same, I would not mind. Although here the life sentence of these relatives should have been taken into account.
          Many now advocate cremation so that worms are not fed. The same method is about the same.
  34. jonht
    jonht 10 November 2017 05: 54
    +1
    You can start at least with the fact that V. Ulyanov himself asked him to be buried and not to make a scarecrow out of him .....
    Therefore, all the same, it is worth respecting the will of a truly great person, and religion and politics should not be confused ....

    And relics are naturally the imperishable remains of the saint, and Ulyanov is embalmed, so to speak, taste the difference ....
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 10 November 2017 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: jonht
      You can start at least with the fact that V. Ulyanov himself asked him to be buried and not to make a scarecrow out of him .....

      Lying.
      Quote: jonht
      do not confuse religion and politics ....

      Do not confuse, all the cries of "burial" are just a form of dirty politics.
      Quote: jonht
      And relics are naturally the imperishable remains of the saint, and Ulyanov is embalmed, so to speak, taste the difference ....

      With your charter, do not go into someone else’s monastery.
      Do you like going to church, kissing incorruptible bones there, go, no one bothers you, so you don’t bother with others who have their own values ​​and their ideals.
      1. jonht
        jonht 12 November 2017 23: 59
        0
        Yeah, where, I’m up to you, I expressed my opinion only, and I didn’t call on anyone to “kiss” the remnants of anyone .... And about the “lie,” I think N. Krupskaya would not agree with you, yes she is not an authority .... wassat
    2. the lord
      the lord 11 November 2017 05: 30
      0
      If you believe in the "holy imperishability" of relics ... you will not tell, but have you met Grandfather Frost? How did he seem to you?
      1. jonht
        jonht 13 November 2017 00: 01
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        I didn’t see a frost, but in Buryatia there is, and if the Internet is so interesting to help you .... laughing
        1. the lord
          the lord 14 November 2017 01: 05
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          Yeah, I heard that they dug up, and right now, like, "they don’t let anyone in" - probably rotted))))
  35. Mstivoy
    Mstivoy 10 November 2017 13: 32
    +1
    1 no. 2 no.
  36. seacap
    seacap 11 November 2017 00: 47
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    There are no more problems in the country? The most important question is, otherwise the country will die, which will be solved by 600 ghoul parasites with helpers in a feeding trough called the Duma with the head of the region, how to ride in the ring, is it possible to smoke at the entrance and for what else to tear off the people, and then there’s not enough fat for the holidays. And there’s nothing that a war is being waged against us, that the country’s robbery continues on such a scale that the budget is already in short supply, that the taiga is being cut down, that local princes in the regions have already crossed all borders of indecency, etc. d. and so on. Some kind of nonsense, you’ve already completely gone astray from the dough dough. Leave him alone, he doesn’t touch anyone, the liberals of Lenin and Stalin are even afraid of the dead, how much they have done things to destroy the country and people.
  37. ver_
    ver_ 11 November 2017 18: 01
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    Quote: znavel
    Before you try on others, try it yourself))))

    ..in my will it is .. Imitate Strugatsky ..