The first serial rocket ship of the Karakurt project will be launched in November

The first serial small rocket ship (MRK) of the 22800 (“Karakurt”) project will be launched in St. Petersburg in November, according to the Information and Mass Communications Department of the Russian Defense Ministry. Earlier, on the order of the Russian Navy, seven ships of this type were laid. Construction is being carried out at the sites of the Pella plant in the Leningrad Region and in the Crimea. In total, the fleet plans to get 18 such ISCs.

The lead ship of this project "Hurricane" is already on the water at the pier of the plant, where the outfitting work is being done.

- Reported by the department.

The new rocket ship has already received a name - "Typhoon". All ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" belong to the class of small rocket ships. Their main purpose is to conduct combat operations in the near-sea zone.

It is planned that "Karakurt", adapted for action on the high seas, will complement the small rocket ships of the 21631 "Buyan-M" project, intended for shallow seas and large rivers.

Project 22800 was developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau for the Naval fleet. The armament of these ships includes shock and air defense systems weapons, combat control and detection systems, as well as target designation and communications.

Small rocket ships of the 22800 project have a displacement of 800 tons and a travel speed of up to 30 nodes. They are equipped with launchers of the 3C14 universal ship-shooting complex and are capable of carrying up to eight cruise missiles of the Onyx and Caliber families. In addition, they are armed with universal artillery systems and close combat systems.

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[hrych]

Long-Range Near Ship

[Lord of the Sith]

Video to the news

But at the weekend there was a “Military Acceptance” about the Buyan-M RTOs, which is also interesting.

[Barshchik-M]

"Karakurt" belong to the class of small missile ships. Their main purpose is the conduct of hostilities in the near sea zone.

How is it in the Caspian? he he
Well, "cheers" I will not scream just glad and proud ..!
Necessary "katerki" for Russia ..!

[Kasym]

In the Caspian, "Buyan", and this is "Karakurt". The difference is that you won’t let go of Buyan far from the coast, the shipping qualities are different. "... for shallow seas and large rivers ...". A "Karakurt" for the "near sea zone".

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

. The difference is that you won’t let go of Buyan far from the coast, the shipping qualities are different. "... for shallow seas and large rivers ...".

Nothing that two ,, Buyan "M from Black through the Mediterranean to the Baltic came self-propelled? But in particular, are you right

Quote: Kasym

"Karakurt"

tried to make seaworthy

Quote: Kasym

for the "near sea zone".

With ,, Gauges "two thousand with a hook? A long time ago, when the moans about these “boats unsuitable for anything”, without the S-300 and PLO, had just begun, he wrote - RSD platforms capable of reaching into the internal water arteries and indeed in terms of deployment in

Quote: Kasym

"near sea zone"

covered by air defense. Here's another thing interesting - the two ,, Lightning "export, which nobody wanted to buy, is being completely redone in Rybinsk. I saw the last photos - they cut off all the old add-ons, they promised to turn them in in 2017. Does anyone know what happened to them?

[Alex777]

There is another nuance - Buyans do not let Onyxes, and Karakurts - let.
And the air defense with the Shell-M is much better.

[dvina71]

Quote: Alex777

There is another nuance - Buyans do not let Onyxes, and Karakurt - let

Why is that? They have the same PU.

At the moment, UKSK 3S14 is unified for launching the following missiles:

anti-ship missiles Caliber - 3M54T and 3M54T1 (3M54TE and 3M54TE1)
long-range cruise missiles Caliber - 3M14T (3M14TE)
anti-submarine missiles Caliber - 91RT2 (91RTE2)
anti-ship missiles Onyx (Yakhont) - 3M55
anti-ship missiles BrahMos
Zircon anti-ship missiles (3M22) - a promising hypersonic anti-ship missile [2]

[surovts.valery]

And the air defense with the Shell-M is much better.

The shell seems to be installed only starting from the third building, and maybe even later, because he is not ready yet.
Well, and most importantly, why they decided to build them (there were screams, such as why do we need to multiply projects when there are already Buyans) - they refused the imported and expensive filling, including in the form of main engines, they stuck there a good old "star" on which almost all of our "mosquito fleet" has walked and still goes.
It is also encouraging that the construction of the head and subsequent series was entrusted to Pelle, which until then had consistently and rhythmically replenished the auxiliary fleet. Here they can work, along with Zelenodolsk, Admiralty shipyards. But something constantly interferes with others, such as the Northern Shipyard, in the Baltic Shipyard.

[NEXUS]

Quote: hrych

Long-Range Near Ship

We only need 40 such pieces for inland seas to replace Buyan and Gadfly, and to strengthen our coastal zone and inland seas.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

We only need 40 such inland seas to replace Buyans.

But "Buyans" why change? They will still serve quite well.

[g1v2]

Cheap platform for smart rockets. And in my opinion we need such or Buyan-m for each fleet of 12 at a minimum. Well, only in the Caspian there are 6 pieces. Th in my opinion we MRC new series need more than 50 pieces. You can do more, but not necessarily. And you need to work out their production at the maximum number of shipyards. If it comes to a serious military conflict, then it will be these MRCs and DEPLs that will become the main workhorses. So, if anything, they need to be able to rivet a lot, quickly, cheaply and in different shipyards.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: g1v2

Cheap platform for smart rockets.

One RTO costs half of frigate 11356 or 636

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hrych

Long-Range Near Ship

the sinister and long arm of the Kremlin !!!

[Alexander 3]

The value does not matter, the main opportunity and ability.

[Going]

Politics is shifting in favor of small but efficient ships.

[Deck]

Just the same headline for a women's magazine!

[Krabik]

For the coastal fleet does not have ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Krabik

For the coastal fleet does not have ...

But the “non-coastal” is still only in the project - for now it is necessary to establish the normal operation of enterprises after so many years of inactivity.

[Deck]

And who was idle? Can you name it? In St. Petersburg, who worked (LAO, Pella, VSZ, NSSZ) and work. And whoever was involved in the change of ownership and management, that fool and continues to fool

[Albert1988]

Quote: Deck

And who was idle? Can you name it?

Quote: Deck

In St. Petersburg, who worked (LAO, Pella, VSZ, NSSZ) and work.

And how intensively did they work? How many ships and what class were built, in what time frame? How is it with the "subcontractors", as we have with engines for large ships? As with enterprises. who were supposed to produce these engines?

[Deck]

And now what’s better?

[mult-65]

Be patient a little. Next year, the bloody dictator will replace the correct electorate with Ksushad and we will live like in the saints of the 90s. And on all kinds of Pellah we will sculpt irons.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Deck

And now what’s better?

Given how many ships are currently being built (albeit light ones) in comparison, at least with a period until 2010, it is slightly better.
And then I didn’t say that it just got better, I mean. to start building something “serious” and “oceanic”, then must so that if not everything, then much, it’s better ...

[Deck]

Offhand from 2000 to 2010: On LAO - 9 diesel-electric submarines, 2 nuclear power plants, 8 tankers of 47 tons. tons and 2 to 70 tons,
After 2010-2017: Expedition vessel Treshnikov, Belousov rescuer, patrol icebreaker ?, 6 diesel-electric submarines

[Deck]

Let's continue. VSZ 2000-2010: 9 hulls of trawlers, 6 tankers, 7 offshore platforms, 6 hulls of supplies, container ship, 2 rescuers, bunker.
2010-2017: three icebreakers and blocks for two suppliers.
I repeat the question: what is better?

[Egorovich]

Very formidable weapons with such a small displacement. A wide field of activity for Karakurt is the Black, Baltic, and Mediterranean Seas. Well done shipbuilders !!!

[Mountain shooter]

Well, yes, a little one, from the Baltic to France and Britain, and from the Black Sea to Gibraltar. And if you also charge the Zircons, with special ammunition ... And why do we need aircraft carriers?

[Don]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And why do we need aircraft carriers?

That's right, why do you need aircraft carriers, if there are no brains, everything is logical Only Americans are so stupid that they built their whole 10. Three of them are currently serving alongside North Korea, and a fourth is due soon. Oh, how will the North Koreans begin to sink these defenseless barges with dozens of aircraft and thousands of sailors ... Or will they not? They will probably regret and not be touched, even if the Yankees bomb them.

[hrych]

Quote: Donskoy

if there are no brains

Do you even understand aircraft carriers?

[Krabik]

You can find out everything from the aircraft carriers from me, although I do not really understand him%)

[PN]

Why drown them? One explosion of a nuclear warhead near the AUG and the crew is dying of radiation sickness ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: PN

Why drown them? One explosion of a nuclear warhead near the AUG and the crew is dying of radiation sickness ...

most likely after the shock wave and light radiation there will not be a crew current, but the trough itself !!!

[Mountain shooter]

As for the brains - this is not to Amer. Their aircraft carriers ensured their victory over Japan in the Pacific Ocean in the 43rd, and nothing more. Generals are always preparing for the PAST war ... Apparently, the aircraft carriers helped to win in Vietnam? Chasing the Papuans that they won’t be able to answer anything - yes, they’re good ... So, aircraft carriers are needed - yes, but RTOs and nuclear submarines in the current situation need even more ...

[Don]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

As for the brains - this is not to Amer.

I knew that they would get one of the Mountain Shooter, like you, at the prompts, and they would understand how to properly build the Navy. They would definitely cut all their aircraft carriers into metal and build a bunch of small missile boats. Well then, they would be immediately respected all over the world and even experts like you would become afraid, and in Vietnam they wouldn’t have a shit ... and Korea would have been twisted into a ram’s horn for a long time, etc. It’s good that they don’t have Mountain Riflemen, because we would have come for a long time

[Krabik]

He imagined how the Americans are driving boats to the DPRK.

I wish Eun put in his pants with laughter%)

[Setrac]

Quote: Donskoy

They would definitely cut all their aircraft carriers into metal and build a bunch of small missile boats.

But you said everything correctly. The Americans would build two hundred missile frigates like ours 22350 and four hundred corvettes like 20380 and we would sit inside our bases, we would be afraid to show our noses.

[mult-65]

Do not judge strictly. Children of the mountains.

[Kent0001]

We will not pull the aircraft carrier now, and these ships are a normal, not very expensive answer. We do not need to attack the DPRK, but sworn friends (including those outside the puddle) NECOSE SQUARE, if that. For this, various means are available.

[Stas157]

Quote: Kent0001

We will not pull now the aircraft carrier. .... We attack the DPRK.

And the north, what are we going to cover? From the side of the Arctic Ocean there is a huge coastal strip, completely defenseless, and you can’t tune in to airfields for every thousand kilometers.

[Krabik]

Aircraft carriers will not sail to our north, and airfields seem like an excellent replacement for aircraft carriers that still cannot fly there.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Stas157

And the north, what are we going to cover? From the side of the Arctic Ocean there is a huge coastal strip, completely defenseless, and you can’t tune in to airfields for every thousand kilometers.

Only now an aircraft carrier can approach this "huge coastal strip" from a very limited number of directions, which are already much easier to cover.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Donskoy

That's right, why do you need aircraft carriers, if there are no brains, everything is logical.

Well, tighten your brains - we still need boats to cover our shores, and we will think about projecting power when the shipbuilding comes to its senses more or less. And then - here you are WHERE, at what shipyards of such leviathans as aircraft carriers are we planning to build? Are these shipyards, in principle, ready or generally suitable for the construction of SUCH ships? Let me remind you that all our aircraft carriers were built in one now non-brotherly country ...
Do we have the infrastructure for servicing aircraft carriers such as dry docks of the appropriate size?
So think about it, please, and then talk about "brains" ...

[Winnie76]

Quote: Donskoy

That's right, why do you need aircraft carriers, if there are no brains,

So why do we need aircraft carriers about a comrade with brains? To cut the entire military budget? Or maybe someone who has brains will tell you how domestic aircraft carriers proved to be in conflicts over the next 50 years? Did they help much in, say, Afghanistan or Georgia? Or maybe in Syria could not do without them?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Donskoy

That's right, why do you need aircraft carriers, if there are no brains, everything is logical Only the Americans are so stupid that they built them as many as 10.

Do not stick out your brains and do not assume that only you possess them. The military doctrines of the United States and Russia are somewhat different. If Russia took on the role of the world gendarme and brought “democratic values” to the whole world, it would need aircraft carriers very much. But in order to fend off the "democrats", "Karakurt" is just that. Cheap and cheerful.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

What role then do missile boats and artillery ships (CFL) play, except for guarding the naval base and the destruction of enemy ships in the coastal zone ....
Is it really impossible to create one type of ship, because the Buyan-M already exists in the Caspian?

[cost 75]

The buoyan has worse seaworthiness.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Is it really impossible to create one type of ship, because the Buyan-M already exists in the Caspian?

The Buyans have less sediment, which means they are less navigable.

[dvina71]

Buyans made for shallow water. Karakurt more seaworthy. Plus, they announced the near air defense aura))) .. that will be in fact hz.but there is a place for a numbed torus, right behind the main caliber rocket mines.

[hrych]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Is it really impossible to create one type of ship, because the Buyan-M already exists in the Caspian?

Class ship Buyan - "river-sea." The small width, height and draft of the ship allow it to fit into the dimensions of the locks, as well as pass under the spans of the bridges of the Volga-Baltic Waterway. This is the trick. And Karakurt is already ready to work in the open sea.

Quote: kos 75

The buoyan has worse seaworthiness.

A 22160 helicopter will carry, which expands the capabilities of PLO, landing and strike capabilities.

[Alex vau_2]

Class ship Buyan - "river-sea." The small width, height and draft of the ship allow it to fit into the dimensions of the locks, as well as pass under the spans of the bridges of the Volga-Baltic Waterway. This is the trick


karakurt is even smaller and also runs freely under bridges and locks ?? Draft has a meter more and what ?? being built in Zelenodolsk and Otradnoy ...... unconvincing, about the river chip

[hrych]

Quote: alex vau_2

The draft has a meter more so what?

Firstly, not a meter but a half, and the difference with a draft of 4 meters in Karakurt versus 2,6 Buyan does matter, because the draft is almost two times less, which actually reduces the seaworthiness of the latter. The point is not whether you consider this a convincing argument or not, but the main thing is that RTOs are created, each for its own task. On rivers with a four-meter draft, try walking

Example. For example, 22160 are driven on inland waters on floats in order to raise the draft and the settings are removed under the bridges to pass, and he has a draft of a little less than 4 meters. In short, trust our engineers and military, they know what they are doing.

[alexmach]

It’s worth noting that they are driving him from Zelenodolsk to Kerch, and you try to drive him up the Volga.

[Albert1988]

Quote: alex vau_2

The draft has a meter more and what ??

And you read how this affects seaworthiness ...

[Romario_Argo]

What role then do missile boats and artillery ships (CFL) play, except for guarding the naval base and the destruction of enemy ships in the coastal zone ....

You are absolutely right unlike scribes above
MRK Ave. 20800 replace a whole series of small missile and anti-submarine ships:
RTO Ave. 1241 - 26 units; RTO Ave. 1234 - 12 units; MRK Ave. 206MR - 1 units; MPLC Ave. 12412 - 6 units
Korvert Ave. 20380 replaces small anti-submarine ships:
IPC pr. 1124 - 22 units; IPC pr. 1331M - 6 units

[Thunderbolt]

With such air defense, he can only plow along the Volga.

[hrych]

MRK - a ship of the near zone, is protected by air defense of coastal complexes.

[Thunderbolt]

Then it’s not entirely clear what he will do in this zone. Because axes can hit our base for a thousand kilometers. It means that he can’t protect him from ships of this class.

[Muvka]

They are needed in order to throw a caliber with a nuclear warhead at 3 km in the direction of Europe, in which case. That's what they are for.

[Thunderbolt]

Then why do they need better seaworthiness, from the Volga just at such a range can be reached.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Then why do they need better seaworthiness, from the Volga just at such a range can be reached.

And if it will be necessary to strike from the Baltic in England, Spain or Portugal?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Thunderbolt

That means he cannot protect from ships of this class.

And strike back with calibers or zircons (in the future) on those. Who launched the axes in our database?

[Herculesic]

Why not call him an adversary a "mini-destroyer", or even a "microcruiser," because it seems that in the coming decades, and perhaps never at all, our fleet will not receive destroyers, but we generally need to forget about the cruiser forever! And in general, the unsuccessful substitution of frigates and corvettes for these pelvis, which, even in a serious storm, cannot leave the port because of fear of drowning or breaking on the pier! !!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

According to the number of URO destroyers, the prosperity of the state is determined, among the owners of such ships you will not find rogues, we are not ready for this yet, for this we are creating a shipbuilding program for the development of the Navy in stages, at the moment, the Russian Federation is creating a coastal fleet and BO forces, the next step will be the creation of separate fleet formations in the Mediterranean Sea, Indian and Pacific Ocean, as was the case under the Union, it all depends on the economy of the Russian Federation ...

[Herculesic]

During the years that we traded oil and gas at furious prices, the fleet could be rebuilt from scratch, a truly oceanic one, and if only atomic cruisers undergo modernization in the best case, then the authorities do not need an ocean fleet, and even more so who will build will it happen if there are enough specialists at the shipyards now? ?? Managers or lawyers put welders or assemblers? Now they do not want to build, so they will never build it! !!

[dvina71]

Quote: Herkulesich

Over the years that we traded oil and gas at furious prices, the fleet could be rebuilt from scratch, a truly ocean

Yes you can .. maybe. And they would have built ... How do you arm them? What is the main gauge for Esma? Zircons are just on the way. What kind of air defense? S-400m, BukM .. they’ll only finish it .. And the result? They built boxes, launched them and stuffed the systems and weapons of the last century into them .. Do you definitely want the benefits of Russia, its armed forces and the Navy?

[Krabik]

You yourself answered your own question.

In the "thick" years, petrodollars were eaten, and now relatives and friends are being shoved through all the feeders.

Frigates and destroyers - this is the ocean fleet and there is simply no one to build it.

And as Comrade MOSKVITYANIN said, it's better to build a couple of boats than nothing at all ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Krabik

Frigates and destroyers - this is the ocean fleet and there is simply no one to build it.

And where are all those who could have gone?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Herkulesich

Over the years that we traded oil and gas at furious prices, the fleet could be rebuilt from scratch, a truly ocean

Do you know such an expression- "history has no subjunctive mood"? Over the years, you can throw and present to Stalin - why he did not reach Portugal, and Alexander II for the sold Alaska. What now pull feathers from the tail and sprinkle ashes on the head. Calendar does not scroll back. We have what we have. And today, RTOs are the most acceptable solution.

[mult-65]

And with us, uv. Herculesych, if you noticed, since the 91st in the yard is not social-zm (as in your profile picture), but a cap-zm. Therefore, our former common heritage (oil, gas and other natural nishtyaki) are used for other purposes.

[Deck]

To build something, you need to restore the industry, and not one. In the meantime, little boats, tugboats, ice-breakers. Third world country

[askort154]

[Deck .... To build something, you need to restore the industry, and not one. In the meantime, little boats, tugboats, ice-breakers. Third world country.

Judging by the flag, you come from a "great sea power."

[Deck]

I have the flag of the USSR - a great sea power!

[shans2]

usually they hide behind citizens from Israel, bots from there, and citizens and bots from Ukraine and emigrants ....

[Deck]

You know better about the Israelis, but it was the USSR national flag that hung on the stern of the ship that I had commanded since 1979. Do not get bored there.

[water]

By the way, on account of the restoration of the industry: Once in the distant 1981, I came to serve in the 19 th brigade of submarines in the bay of Ulysses, in Vladivostok. And on the opposite side of the bay at this time, bulldozers and excavators delved. By the summer of 1982 of the year, where they were dripping a giant structure grew. And starting from the 1984 of the year, this construction began to issue three interregional missiles of the 1234 project per year. And so it was quickly done that by the 1987 year, the neighboring 205 project rocket boat Brigade had turned into a missile ship brigade. This is the clear advantage of socialism and cashless payments.
With the current financial and economic organization of production, such economic results should not be dreamed of. After all, before the mission of the enterprise was production. And now - making a profit. That, in fact, is the whole difference.

[Seaflame]

It is not a matter of socialism and capitalism. The capitalist USA rive Arly Burke like cat kittens. And shipbuilding gets profit and the Navy needs the ships

[Setrac]

Quote: Seaflame

The capitalist USA rive Arly Burke like cat kittens.

Arly Burke on Russian ships there is nothing to shoot, except for guns and torpedoes. Of all the projects under construction, the berks are the most bullshit.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Setrac

Arly Burke on Russian ships there is nothing to shoot, except for guns and torpedoes. Of all the projects under construction, the berks are the most bullshit.

Yeah, nothing at all.

Orly Burke destroyers are based on various types of missiles. In the fore and aft parts of ships of all series there are universal mine launchers Mk 41. On ships of series I and II, the bow and stern launch have 30 and 60 cells, respectively. On Series IIA, the number of cells increased to 32 and 64. A transport and launch container with a BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missile, SM-2 or SM-3 anti-aircraft missile or a block of four containers with RIM-7 Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missiles can be placed in one cell. Launcher equipment allows you to simultaneously prepare for launch 16 missiles of various types and launch them at a rate of one missile per second.

And the USA also has a UIC-type cruiser "Tikanderog", now I don’t know how much, but during the Cold War there was 26 ...

[Setrac]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

And the United States has a cruiser URO type "Ticanderog"

All this does not refute my words - axes and standards, but where are PKRs?
And there are none

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Setrac

but where are PKR? And there are none

By no means.

The secondary tasks of ships of this type are:
Fighting enemy submarines and surface ships;
Ensuring sea blockade of certain areas;
Artillery support for landing operations;
Tracking enemy ships;
Participation in search and rescue operations.

http://3mv.ru/publ/ehskadrennye_minonoscy_tipa_ar
leigh_burke / 5-1-0-9214
Maybe you’re right. It seems that the Harpoon missiles were equipped with the first US EM series.

Alas, to date, "Burke" completely degraded. In view of the disappearance of the only worthy opponent - the USSR Navy, the anti-ship Tomahawk turned into an unnecessary ballast. BGM-109B completely removed from service in the early 2000-x.
On the IIA series destroyers, the installation of anti-ship missiles was generally considered an unnecessary and useless event. As a result, the Burke lost its last weapon - the Harpoon anti-ship missile.

http://army-news.ru/2013/10/degradaciya-esmincev-
arli-berk /
It looks like a good article ...

[Setrac]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Maybe you’re right. It seems that the Harpoon missiles were equipped with the first US EM series.

He was surprised when he found out that almost half of the burks do not even have the ability to install harpoons.
Although the harpoon itself is far from a fountain.

[weksha50]

Quote: Deck

To build something, you need to restore the industry, and not one. In the meantime, little boats, tugboats, ice-breakers. Third world country

Hmm ... Peter the First began with a boat on the lake ... It wasn’t his fault that the descendants managed to ... harbor sea power ...
So we begin to restore ... with tugboats, ice-breakers, small boats ...
And who wants everything at once ... This - does not happen ... The chicken - pecks a grain ... And stop recalling yesterday's possibilities ... They were, but they are already gone ... So - empty talk. .. It is necessary to live today and tomorrow ... It’s too early to look into the day after tomorrow ... It's a pity ...

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Deck

To build something, you need to restore the industry, and not one. In the meantime, little boats, tugboats, ice-breakers. Third world country

Remind me which country, in addition to the Russian Federation, has at least one atomic icebreaker, and who has the most icebreakers, incl. not atomic?

[Deck]

Remind me when the last one was built? Huh? For 18 years they tortured the Soviet "Ural" and in 2007 they surrendered. There was no money? So they found it on the Kremlin, and on the residence with Strelna and many more on which residences. And for billionaires, we are generally in
front row.
Oh, by the way, the atomic icebreakers, the fuck didn’t look at anyone but us. Yes, and large diesel engines are all Finnish-built. Some of them are 44 years old. So try proud of something else

[Dart2027]

Quote: Deck

Oh, by the way, the atomic icebreakers, the fuck didn’t look at anyone but us.

That is, nothing concrete to come up with?

[Setrac]

Quote: Deck

Third world country

And many third world countries with their own global positioning system? With nuclear submarines?
This is your thinking of the third world.

[water]

Quote: weksha50

Quote: Deck

To build something, you need to restore the industry, and not one. In the meantime, little boats, tugboats, ice-breakers. Third world country

Hmm ... Peter the First began with a boat on the lake ... It wasn’t his fault that the descendants managed to ... harbor sea power ...
So we begin to restore ... with tugboats, ice-breakers, small boats ...
And who wants everything at once ... This - does not happen ... The chicken - pecks a grain ... And stop recalling yesterday's possibilities ... They were, but they are already gone ... So - empty talk. .. It is necessary to live today and tomorrow ... It’s too early to look into the day after tomorrow ... It's a pity ...

Yes my friend. I suppose, only in one you are right: "Chicken - pecking a grain of grain ... and the whole yard is sucking .... n."
Not remembering yesterday - where will you come tomorrow? With your idiology, we will be like a cow in a swamp: the front legs pulled out of the mud - the rear ones are stuck. And so until they pull it out. That's just unlike a cow, they will not drag us. They are trying to bury us.
And the global positioning system is a Soviet development. She should have earned in the mid-nineties. But, someone really wanted to the future, forgetting about the past.

[Setrac]

Quote: watermark

And the global positioning system is a Soviet development.

So what? Maybe we’ll stop using the wheel - is this “Soviet development”?

[water]

Your thought is not new. Look at Ukraine. There, even though the wheel was not guessed, the largest enterprises have already been canceled. A little more and solemnly enter the Stone Age.

[Setrac]

Quote: watermark

Your thought is not new. Look at Ukraine.

That is, you understand everything! Why then these your vysery?

Quote: watermark

And the global positioning system is a Soviet development.

We do not have the right to use Soviet developments? Isn't that camillo?

[water]

My friend! Are you a crest?
Of course, I am to some extent internationalist, so I repeat - Faking, forgetting our real past, we force ourselves to repeat our own mistakes in the future. What we are currently doing. And that’s exactly what, as you say, not camillepho!

[Setrac]

Quote: watermark

Faking, forgetting our real past, we force ourselves to repeat our own mistakes in the future.

You have a mistake here, no one really falsifies the past, no one knows it, the falsified past is falsified, which in no way will affect our mistakes in total.

Quote: watermark

And that’s exactly what, as you say, not camillepho!

Talking to yourself is a sign of a mental disorder; I said something completely different.

[water]

My friend! You forgot what you just wrote. QUOTE: ".... And stop thinking about yesterday’s possibilities ... They were there, but they don’t exist anymore ... So there’s empty talk ... We need to live today and tomorrow ... It’s too early to look into the day after tomorrow. .. It's a pity..."
You struck out yesterday. So a cow stuck in a swamp - this is a figurative example of the final point of your odeology.

[John Doe]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: Deck

Third world country

And many third world countries with their own global positioning system? With nuclear submarines?
This is your thinking of the third world.

The problem is that no one will use our mega cool system for it is outdated. Over there, the Americans have taken off their old well-established standard for GPS from the master’s shoulder which * attention * is accurate to 1 meter. So for the military it’s already the Stone Age and they have accuracy in the area, see

How many have built them over the past 10 children?))

[Deck]

Glonas is for the astronauts, we're talking about the fleet. And on submarines since 2000 for 18 years, FOUR pieces have been transferred to the Navy. Oh, sorry, with Pike-B five! The legacy of the USSR was completed in 2001.

[water]

The astronauts only put the cosmic component of the Glonas system into orbit, and very many people use the system, including the Navy. At sea, a lot depends on the exact location. And the car "navigator" for many is not superfluous.
But the lack of complexity and the overwhelming cost of our shipbuilding is really a parable in Yezits.

[shans2]

what are you doing, and where did the new 6 Warsaw project 636 and 4 nuclear submarines of the 4th generation, 3 borea and 1 ash tree go? you are there in the foreign propaganda departments completely numb .... now in construction at the same time 11 nuclear submarines ...

[Deck]

Are you illiterate? Reread written please:

With nuclear submarines?

transferred to the fleet! Got it? No? Reread again. And try to learn Russian.

[shans2]

Didn’t you realize that just with the submarines everything is very good with Russia?) Until 2023 all 8 Boreevs and 7 Ash-trees will be introduced, and by 2023 the construction of the 5th generation of the Husky’s nuclear submarines will begin, are you?) about the construction of an advanced nuclear submarine fleet in Russia?

[askort154]

[Herculesych ..... toeven in a serious storm, they cannot even leave the port due to fear of drowning or breaking on the pier! !!

Their task is not to plow seas and oceans, but to cover the coastal zone. They can cover the whole of Europe from the “piers”, the Black Sea, the Mediterranean and the Baltic. This is their main task.

[Herculesic]

Then, in general, why are they needed? Make as many “zircons” and “calibers” as possible, so what? ?? And other countries, like the Germans and the French, will simply build a fleet, and the whole short-lived. ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: Herkulesich

Then, in general, why are they needed? Make as many “zircons” and “calibers” as possible, so what? ??

Exactly! Because under the agreements, these same zircons and calibers can only be carried on sea or air carriers - it is easier on ships and strategic bombers - such land-based missiles are prohibited ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Herkulesich

make as many zircons and calibers as possible, so what? ??

If anything, then SO ...
You still do not understand that the "Gauges" on the offshore platform help Russia to circumvent certain obstacles in weapons ???
Buyans can be pushed into lakes and into more or less full-flowing rivers and canals ... Karakurt - precisely into the coastal sea zone ...
Normal move ... Much better than not doing Nikren because it dreams of first-class ships and aircraft carriers ...

[Bronevick]

Size is not important, the main thing is to be able to use this size.

[Old26]

Quote: hrych

MRK - a ship of the near zone, is protected by air defense of coastal complexes.

Nda ... Are you sure? Zones are divided approximately as follows

• Coastal zone - up to 200 miles from its own shore
• Near Sea - 200 miles to 500 miles from your own shore
• Far sea zone - from 500 miles to 1000 miles from its own shore
• Ocean area - over 1000 miles from its own shore

Convert this to rubles, that is, to kilometers
• Coastal zone - up to 370 km (I remove the figures after the decimal point. That there are some 500-600 meters compared to hundreds of kilometers) from our own shore
• Near sea zone - from 370 km to 926 km from its own coast
• The far sea zone - from 926 km to 1853 km from its own coast
• Ocean zone - over 1853 km from its own shore

And now, dear hrych, try three times to name the domestic anti-aircraft missile system that can cover ships at a distance of at least 370 km. I'm not talking about 926 km.
No, the BMZ ship should have full air defense, albeit not a very long range. In this case, the "Shell-M" is quite suitable. But it should have its own air defense, as is out of range of ground-based air defense systems.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, yes, a little one, from the Baltic to France and Britain, and from the Black Sea to Gibraltar. And if you also charge the Zircons, with special ammunition ... And why do we need aircraft carriers?

Yes, the radii drawn by the author of this video presentation are impressive. I'm from such "experts" just bastard. The ship is designed to replace Project 1234 "Gadfly" ships and Project 1241 "Lightning" missile boats. For the replacement of boats whose main task IMPACTS ON SHIPPING AN OPPONENT GROUP. So no. Necessarily such unfortunate experts will put a 3M14 missile in these ships and draw radii of 1,5-2,5 thousand kilometers. It is interesting to ask such experts how this missile with a range of 1500-2500 km will be aimed at a target in Egypt when firing through the Black and Mediterranean Sea ???? Or hit Gibraltar off the coast of Syria? How??
And be sure to "Zircon" to any "vessel". And with special ammunition. And it’s nothing that there is no rocket yet and it is not known whether there will be special ammunition on it ...

[dvina71]

Old .. where did you see a lone ship in a military campaign? Yes, even though it will consist of all air defense .. suicide bomber. MRK will act as part of the compound. And due to better seaworthiness, Karakurt is the place there. But Buyan in general in internal lakes can be based ... like Onego .. or on the Volga .., will he have little air defense there? What kind of air defense didn’t promise to Karakurt .. what will happen in fact .. the sea shell would be perfect there .. Nearest line of air defense \ missile defense squadron ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: Old26

It is interesting to ask such experts how this missile with a range of 1500-2500 km will be aimed at a target in Egypt when firing through the Black and Mediterranean Sea ???? Or hit Gibraltar off the coast of Syria? How??

And how did “this rocket”, launched from ships in the Caspian Sea, strike a blow at targets in Syria? How did she get in there?

[Seaflame]

I agree, without air defense, a surface ship is some kind of inferior combat unit!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

The ship is designed to replace the ships of the 1234 Project "Gadfly" and missile boats of the 1241 Project "Lightning". To replace boats, the main task of which is IMPACTS ON SHIPPING OPPOSITION GROUPING.

I wanted to ask, but is it advisable for the Russian Navy to have missile boats if there are a large number of URO corvettes?
And here’s the RTOs and corvettes (the uncle said in a video such a term as lay down. Corvette), is it the same class of ships (just different terminology from different times and countries)?

[Neputin]

I don’t even want to get involved in the discussion of the topic of ships of 1-2 classes, everything has been clear here for a long time. There is no money, no technology, no specialists, no modern weapons (I mean promising). But at least something is being built and thank God. Maybe we will live to see the destroyer someday (although of course - shame and shame, but nothing can be changed). I agree that a patrol ship should have near-air defense and be issued in 3 versions: 1) patrol - for border guards, but with the possibility of strengthening weapons 2) shock with anti-ship missiles or calibers 3) anti-submarine instead of aging MPC

[dvina71]

Quote: Neputin

There is no money, no technology, no specialists, no modern weapons

Yeah .. for pr. 855A and pr. 955A (for a second .. the surface displacement is almost 15000) there are .. and for the esm 10kt .. no .. well, obviously .. the backward poor Russia .. and they all plundered ...

[Setrac]

Quote: Neputin

Maybe we will live to see the destroyer someday

We will not survive. The time of surface warships of the first rank has passed.

[alexmach]

Who knows. The announced 22350M is almost a destroyer.

[alexmach]

Can all the same be better on universal corvettes?

[Old26]

Quote: dvina71

Old .. where did you see a lone ship in a military campaign? Yes, even though it will consist of all air defense .. suicide bomber. MRK will act as part of the compound. And due to better seaworthiness, Karakurt is the place there. But Buyan in general in internal lakes can be based ... like Onego .. or on the Volga .., will he have little air defense there? What kind of air defense didn’t promise to Karakurt .. what will happen in fact .. the sea shell would be perfect there .. Nearest line of air defense \ missile defense squadron ..

So I wrote that the ship of the near sea zone must have at least some kind of air defense, despite the fact that it will act as part of the formation. And to hope that it will be covered by ground-based air defense systems - such still does not exist to cover the ships of the near sea zone.
About "Buyan-M" and there is no question. A ship with a complete lack of air defense at least individual in the warrant - I think this is nonsense. As for the "Shell-M", then according to what they write, it will already be installed from the 3rd building ("Storm"). And on everyone else. Now in the first two - 2 AK-630 units

[dvina71]

Quote: Old26

About "Buyan-M" and there is no question. A ship with a complete lack of air defense at least individual in the warrant - I think this is nonsense

What kind of air defense Buyan has. And ... if you believe everything they write .., and especially about promising military equipment ..
I'd rather wait for the state tests to begin, everything will become clear there.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Old26

Quote: hrych

MRK - a ship of the near zone, is protected by air defense of coastal complexes.

Nda ... Are you sure? Zones are divided approximately as follows

• Coastal zone - up to 200 miles from its own shore
• Near Sea - 200 miles to 500 miles from your own shore
• Far sea zone - from 500 miles to 1000 miles from its own shore
• Ocean area - over 1000 miles from its own shore

Convert this to rubles, that is, to kilometers
• Coastal zone - up to 370 km (I remove the figures after the decimal point. That there are some 500-600 meters compared to hundreds of kilometers) from our own shore
• Near sea zone - from 370 km to 926 km from its own coast
• The far sea zone - from 926 km to 1853 km from its own coast
• Ocean zone - over 1853 km from its own shore

And now, dear hrych, try three times to name the domestic anti-aircraft missile system that can cover ships at a distance of at least 370 km. I'm not talking about 926 km.
No, the BMZ ship should have full air defense, albeit not a very long range. In this case, the "Shell-M" is quite suitable. But it should have its own air defense, as is out of range of ground-based air defense systems.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, yes, a little one, from the Baltic to France and Britain, and from the Black Sea to Gibraltar. And if you also charge the Zircons, with special ammunition ... And why do we need aircraft carriers?

Yes, the radii drawn by the author of this video presentation are impressive. I'm from such "experts" just bastard. The ship is designed to replace Project 1234 "Gadfly" ships and Project 1241 "Lightning" missile boats. For the replacement of boats whose main task IMPACTS ON SHIPPING AN OPPONENT GROUP. So no. Necessarily such unfortunate experts will put a 3M14 missile in these ships and draw radii of 1,5-2,5 thousand kilometers. It is interesting to ask such experts how this missile with a range of 1500-2500 km will be aimed at a target in Egypt when firing through the Black and Mediterranean Sea ???? Or hit Gibraltar off the coast of Syria? How??
And be sure to "Zircon" to any "vessel". And with special ammunition. And it’s nothing that there is no rocket yet and it is not known whether there will be special ammunition on it ...

26 gauges from the Caspian Sea from the sides of the same RTOs for 1500 km on your hands do you think?

[assa67]

great news! .... and even with the "calibers" .... mmm, well .. and the Caspian and the Kerch bridge will be covered .... there are 50 such "karakurtiks" ....

[Old26]

Quote: Xscorpion

26 gauges from the Caspian Sea from the sides of the same RTOs for 1500 km on your hands do you think?

And realize that
= in one case, the guidance system worked, which compares the electronic map of the terrain stored in the control system’s memory with the terrain over which the rocket flies over - this is one (there were enough of such correction areas, at least there was talk that the missiles made during the flight up to 19 turns on the route). Usually such zones have always been after 300-500 km. And the launch point should be at a certain distance from the shore, so that the first correction zone is on the shore. It is because of this that the RTOs in the Caspian came almost to the coast of Iran and Iran allowed the passage of our missiles.

= in another, when we like to puff on the topic "CALIBERS" and plot the radii where without hitting, how will the rocket correct the flight path? Have you already learned to make digital maps of the water surface ???? Where will the correction zone be. The authors of such presentations think about this ??? It seems that they don’t even know it.

Or how will the rocket go to Paris through the whole of Europe? What, Europe has become something like sugar, where up to the horizon there is no bush or tree ???
Damn, there’s worse such a fuss ...

[Protos]

Quote: Donskoy

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And why do we need aircraft carriers?

That's right, why do you need aircraft carriers, if there are no brains, everything is logical Only the Americans are so stupid that they built as many as 10. Three of them are currently serving next to North Korea, and a fourth should come soon. .

The Americans are not stupid, they just have the foreign policy of the slave traders - the policy of the colonial power!
The one that in the hands of Naglia gave birth to "Admiral Sir Francis Drake and Co.", as well as dwarf pustules such as Barbados \ Tartug \ Qatar

[Old26]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: Old26

It is interesting to ask such experts how this missile with a range of 1500-2500 km will be aimed at a target in Egypt when firing through the Black and Mediterranean Sea ???? Or hit Gibraltar off the coast of Syria? How??

And how did “this rocket”, launched from ships in the Caspian Sea, strike a blow at targets in Syria? How did she get in there?

With the exception of the initial section, the entire flight path passed over land. As induced - wrote above

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

The ship is designed to replace the ships of the 1234 Project "Gadfly" and missile boats of the 1241 Project "Lightning". To replace boats, the main task of which is IMPACTS ON SHIPPING OPPOSITION GROUPING.

I wanted to ask, but is it advisable for the Russian Navy to have missile boats if there are a large number of URO corvettes?
And here’s the RTOs and corvettes (the uncle said in a video such a term as lay down. Corvette), is it the same class of ships (just different terminology from different times and countries)?

Well, a large number of URO corvettes are not yet available. Missile boats, as a class, it looks like they have become obsolete for about 20 years. The displacement increased and, in fact, the missile boat merged with the small missile ship and became known as the corvette. In general, it is very difficult to talk about classification. All our life (all post-war Soviet times) we had a classification that was different from the western one with some names that could not be attributed to where. And the options are easy or just a corvette - these are already variations on the theme

[Setrac]

water,

Quote: watermark

My friend! You forgot what you just wrote. QUOTE: ".... And stop thinking about yesterday’s possibilities ... They were there, but they don’t exist anymore ... So there’s empty talk ... We need to live today and tomorrow ... It’s too early to look into the day after tomorrow. .. It's a pity..."

Apparently here we have a misunderstanding, it wasn’t written by me ...

[Kuzyakin15]

Quote: Romario_Argo

What role then do missile boats and artillery ships (CFL) play, except for guarding the naval base and the destruction of enemy ships in the coastal zone ....

You are absolutely right unlike scribes above
MRK Ave. 20800 replace a whole series of small missile and anti-submarine ships:
RTO Ave. 1241 - 26 units; RTO Ave. 1234 - 12 units; MRK Ave. 206MR - 1 units; MPLC Ave. 12412 - 6 units
Korvert Ave. 20380 replaces small anti-submarine ships:
IPC pr. 1124 - 22 units; IPC pr. 1331M - 6 units

But is anti-submarine armament and ASG provided for in Karakurt?
It seems that this was not mentioned anywhere? Then how can they replace MPLC?

[Old26]

Quote: Kuzyakin15

But is anti-submarine armament and ASG provided for in Karakurt?
It seems that this was not mentioned anywhere? Then how can they replace MPLC?

But no way. This is the personal opinion of the writer. There is no GAS, and anti-submarine weapons - of course you can put 91P, but what will it give without target designation? And there isn’t even RBU for Karakurt

[faterdom]

Something I recalled the cartoon "Katerok" with his imperishable about "Chung-Chang"!
Here's to cook up such “katerki” more - they can the States continuously broadcast this song. And, most importantly - the production of "Caliber" must be doubled or tripled, the current level is still clearly low.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Xscorpion

26 gauges from the Caspian Sea from the sides of the same RTOs for 1500 km on your hands do you think?

And realize that
= in one case, the guidance system worked, which compares the electronic map of the terrain stored in the control system’s memory with the terrain over which the rocket flies over - this is one (there were enough of such correction areas, at least there was talk that the missiles made during the flight up to 19 turns on the route). Usually such zones have always been after 300-500 km. And the launch point should be at a certain distance from the shore, so that the first correction zone is on the shore. It is because of this that the RTOs in the Caspian came almost to the coast of Iran and Iran allowed the passage of our missiles.

= in another, when we like to puff on the topic "CALIBERS" and plot the radii where without hitting, how will the rocket correct the flight path? Have you already learned to make digital maps of the water surface ???? Where will the correction zone be. The authors of such presentations think about this ??? It seems that they don’t even know it.

Or how will the rocket go to Paris through the whole of Europe? What, Europe has become something like sugar, where up to the horizon there is no bush or tree ???
Damn, there’s worse such a fuss ...

Well, you pancake had fun. The missiles would have flown without consent, if necessary. And in wartime they would have gone. So Iran "allowed" this means that it was informed about the flight zone, for their safety. And I’ll even comment on the rest I don’t want. From the category of anecdote about hand-to-hand combat for special forces. You yourself answered your own words that it is impossible to launch rockets at such a distance. Before launching these calibers, 90 percent of military experts also thought so.

[FLOOD]

KARAKURT in Turkish BLACK WOLF!
Well done, ancestors must be remembered!