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The volume of investments in the pre-production of IL-276 is cut down in 10 times

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The volume of investments in the pre-production of the Il-276 transport aircraft for 2021-2022 years has been reduced by 10 times, reports Look with reference to the head of the State Duma commission for the legal support of the development of defense organizations Vladimir Gutenev.


The volume of investments in the pre-production of IL-276 is cut down in 10 times


The main problem is the unforeseen budget financing of the development work on the creation of an IL-276 medium transport aircraft for the 2018-2020 years. The total investment in pre-production for 2021-2022 years with a draft state program has been cut by 10 times,
Gutenev said at the exit meeting of the commission in Ulyanovsk.

It is reported that "IL-276, formerly known as IL-214, MTS (multi-purpose transport aircraft) and SVTS (medium military transport aircraft), is being developed"Aviation Ilyushin’s complex, “was supposed to replace the An-12, An-26 and An-72 in the Russian Air Force and Indian Air Force.” Initially, it was developed jointly with India, but the Indian side withdrew from the project in 2015. Ilyushin continued to develop the aircraft in an initiative okay.

Gutenev also pointed out another problem: the actual production cost of the IL-76MD-90А aircraft is significantly higher than the contract value. According to him, the government recommended the military department to revise the terms of the contract for the supply of this aircraft and bring the price in line with it.

The head of the commission added that “otherwise, Aviastar-SP may experience serious economic problems.”

In his opinion, in terms of ensuring the "rhythm of production of military transport aircraft", it is necessary to coordinate the release of these aircraft with the capabilities of manufacturers "and adjust the state armament program.

Gutenev noted that both the state defense order and certain items of expenditures of the federal budget need to be adjusted in terms of financing the renewal of military transport aviation.
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  1. pavelty
    pavelty 3 November 2017 15: 23
    +3
    So they flew ... I don’t understand, why not continue the production of IL-76, what is the difficulty?
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 3 November 2017 15: 26
      20
      IL-76 is a plane of another category, the article indicates the replacement of which sides should go 276, this is primarily the AN-12
      The seller wants more expensive, the buyer cheaper, but it’s useless to guess who the truth is from the outside. But planes are needed.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 November 2017 15: 31
        10
        The volume of investments in the pre-production of IL-276 is cut down in 10 times

        But what about Putin’s coffin - Rosneftegaz? Does this gasket exist between the budget and Rosneft, he seems to explain by the need to support aviation projects? So I would take the money from there! Ah, there are many.
        the actual cost of production of the IL-76MD-90A aircraft is significantly higher than the contract value. .... "otherwise, Aviastar-SP may experience serious economic problems."

        So this is why Aviastar did not release a single aircraft this year! Unprofitable. Although it seemed to me that they take so much for IL-476 (in the region of 65 million dollars from memory).
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 3 November 2017 15: 37
          +2
          Now an experimental batch is being produced, and these are other prices and the problem there seems to be with engines. As for the cost of mass production, here yes, the question is, and a big one. As if the financial commission were not sent there)))
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 November 2017 15: 45
            +5
            Quote: maxim947
            Now there is a production of an experimental batch, and these are other prices

            Party of 39 aircraft? So it’s kind of like they had to count? It turns out that one IL-476 costs like two Tu-204s. Something out there with the estimate they are wise!
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 3 November 2017 15: 50
              +4
              The first sides are in any case experienced with the corresponding letter and they are fairly expensive, the only question is their quantity. But, I agree that we are talking about serial products, an advance has been received, and it turns out that there is not enough money. Who made a mistake?))) Special people with calculators will come and figure it out.
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 3 November 2017 15: 59
            +5
            Quote: maxim947
            Now an experimental batch is being produced, and these are other prices and the problem there seems to be with engines. As for the cost of mass production, here yes, the question is, and a big one. As if the financial commission were not sent there)))

            Yes, the other day an article was about PD-14 in which there is little breakthrough and the American pw21 engines will go mainly to the MS-1000 and, apparently, the commercial part starts putting sticks in the wheels.
            Without state support, it will be very, very difficult to develop the domestic aircraft industry, and even more so will compete in the civilian sphere.
            https://topwar.ru/128634-transportnyy-samolet-il-
            276-poluchit-dvigatel-pd-14.html # comment-id-75081
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                1. weksha50
                  weksha50 4 November 2017 11: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Scoun
                  MS-21 is being certified today on P & W1400 engines and PD14 will be brought to mind for a couple of years.


                  Well, PD14 is now undergoing the third phase of testing at a flying laboratory ...
                  Well, again, according to Rogozin, in 2018 supposedly PD14 will be certified according to international standards, and from 2019 the MC 21 will fly on domestic engines ...
                  I repeat: this is, according to Dmitry Rogozin ... hi
                  Source: http://agnc.ru/news/9644
                2. Genry
                  Genry 4 November 2017 11: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Scoun
                  Quote: Genry
                  And what is your breakthrough? Pants near the anus?

                  Hmm Looks like you have pants at your mouth.

                  Yeah! They already grunted ... Apparently, you have not yet grown up to the study of biology or just skipped. They didn’t even look at Wikipedia ..
                  .
                  Quote: Scoun
                  MS-21 is being certified today on P & W1400 engines and PD14 will be brought to mind for a couple of years.

                  Well, in this matter you have everything from your head to ...
                  Firstly, a new aircraft, if possible, in the first flights and for tests produced with a spent engine.
                  Secondly, certification of each engine is required. While the PD-14 is developing production, what is the time to lose, you can drive a plane with other engines for certification.
                  Quote: Scoun
                  I myself like to rake, but I must at least customize it under the urry.

                  You customize everything for your training manual, on the principle of "drained all the polymers."
            2. maxim947
              maxim947 3 November 2017 19: 15
              +2
              ... mostly American pw1000 engines and apparently the commercial part is starting to put sticks in the wheels.[i] [/ i]
              No need to invent, the first sides will be, firstly, before the finished PD-14, and secondly, the aircraft was originally oriented to two options engines, i.e. with an eye on export. And this is a perfectly reasonable decision. So, do not worry, they will finish the PD-14 and there will be deliveries to the domestic market.
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 3 November 2017 22: 56
                +1
                Quote: maxim947
                No need to invent, the first sides will be, firstly, before the finished PD-14, and secondly, the aircraft was originally oriented to two options engines, i.e. with an eye on export. And this is a perfectly reasonable decision. So, do not worry, they will finish the PD-14 and there will be deliveries to the domestic market.

                Do you understand what you said?
                Look at the firm contracts with the PD14 engines (about 35 like) and the РW1400 about 70 boards and all the rest are on hold and there are no free customers, by the way. Because PD14, ready yet stupidly no!
                And the first engines for transport aviation were announced with such characteristics that without state money and orders, it’s a whack!
                But what’s ours knocking on for Antonov ?!
                Go materiel and pull up the economy.
                1. weksha50
                  weksha50 4 November 2017 11: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Scoun
                  But what’s ours knocking on for Antonov ?!


                  Well, there’s a problem with extending the life of Ruslan ...
                  These are different niches, different planes ...
                  1. Scoun
                    Scoun 5 November 2017 05: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: weksha50
                    Quote: Scoun
                    But what’s ours knocking on for Antonov ?!


                    Well, there’s a problem with extending the life of Ruslan ...
                    These are different niches, different planes ...

                    Persuaded! With civilian planes, we have it all.
                    We have problems only on trifles.

                    Quote: maxim947
                    But what’s ours knocking on for Antonov ?![i] [/ i]
                    Who is knocking? If you are talking about the An-124, then this is a completely different topic. As usual, everything is piled up, screeching and zero at the exit, beside rudeness. Shoot yourself in grief.

                    Fine! An-124 plane problem otherwise you are ahead of the whole planet and you have no analogues.
                    Kill the significance yourself, in small steps and upstake.
                    Yes, and comrades down the branch, go out and give out "pistols", a formidable sofa adviser, if you don’t have the strength to write it off to everyone, then small ones.
                2. maxim947
                  maxim947 4 November 2017 13: 45
                  +3
                  But what’s ours knocking on for Antonov ?![i] [/ i]
                  Who is knocking? If you are talking about the An-124, then this is a completely different topic. As usual, everything is piled up, screeching and zero at the exit, beside rudeness. Shoot yourself in grief.
        2. Dembel77
          Dembel77 4 November 2017 19: 03
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          So this is why Aviastar did not release a single aircraft this year! Unprofitable. Although it seemed to me that they take so much for IL-476 (in the region of 65 million dollars from memory).
          And he won’t let it go, because the days of cheap airplanes are long gone. "In Japan, they designed their own S-2 transport aircraft, the aircraft is purely for domestic consumption and very expensive - about $ 120 million apiece, with much smaller sizes - and they tolerate nothing. True, things unseen for Russia are installed on the plane, such as an automatic loading system "Unloading, an infrared night vision system for pilots and other very tricky electronics. In the end, we will be tolerated." https://topwar.ru/34466-vo-skolko-rossii-oboydets
          ya-il-76md-90a.html
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 3 November 2017 15: 29
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      Quote: pavlentiy
      what is the difficulty here?

      In the absence of Joseph Vissarionovich and Lawrence Palych request Some want to sell more expensive, others cheaper to buy, the market in one word. negative
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 3 November 2017 16: 11
        +4
        it’s all the more strange that the issue directly relates to security, and at the time to remember the unforgettable “bargaining is not appropriate here !!!”, and as a result, the bargain bidding against the background of olympiads and championships (the very thing now) No.
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 4 November 2017 06: 18
        0
        Comrade Stalin, I think, the fart burned very decently, when his comrades, now with the T-35, then with the flying submarine, approached him.

        No wonder he scattered engineers on sharashka, and he would have stolen everything ...
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  3. VadimSt
    VadimSt 3 November 2017 15: 32
    +4
    It’s bad when the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing! Or, for individual members of the government, both hands are left.
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 3 November 2017 16: 11
      +3
      Left or right ... but they certainly grow in the wrong place (
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 4 November 2017 11: 13
      0
      Quote: VadimSt
      in individual members of the government, both hands are left.


      Just BORING ... Regardless of whether it is right or left ...
  4. igorra
    igorra 3 November 2017 15: 38
    +4
    Until the government and the liberal part of the elite leave, they themselves or ask, it doesn’t matter, we will make planes per hour on a teaspoon. Although Gaidar died, his call to fly on Boeing and Airbases sat in the heads of the above-mentioned elite, so he can be beaten out only by labor in the fresh air, somewhere in sunny Magadan, for the good of the Motherland (for the first time in his life). Still send them to the old gouged carcasses.
  5. assa67
    assa67 3 November 2017 15: 57
    +6
    it is not good negative ... Antoshka has long worked out its resource, and morally obsolete ..... it’s sitting somewhere and a pest
    1. groks
      groks 3 November 2017 19: 11
      +2
      Where it sits is known. In the Kremlin. And not upsetting, but lobbying. Although the difference is probably only in the name ....
  6. Altona
    Altona 3 November 2017 16: 24
    +7
    Quote: Stas157
    But what about Putin’s coffin - Rosneftegaz? Does this gasket exist between the budget and Rosneft, he seems to explain by the need to support aviation projects? So I would take the money from there! Ah, there are many.

    ---------------------------
    In general, we have 106 billion American candy wrappers in the form of US government bonds, that is, 6 trillion rubles work for the prosperity of the United States. And if you call a spade a spade, then Kudrin, Siluanov, Dvorkovich, Nabiullina directly work against Russia and at every opportunity squeal about the "lack of money", but at the same time they find billions to "reorganize" banks, to help "experimental" theaters and other such nonsense. But gentlemen, who still trust Putin and Medvedev, may not be worried. None of their actions will dissuade you of their "patriotism."
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 4 November 2017 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Altona
      In general, we have 106 billion American candy wrappers in the form of US government bonds, that is, 6 trillion rubles work for the prosperity of the United States.


      About that money - forget it !!!
      No one will ever return them ... Neither our Nashi rulers dare to demand them, and if they dare, the United States will find a thousand and one excuses to return (if returned) lead lotions ...
      Unless .... people will nevertheless appear ... who will be able to return the heritage of the republic to the mother’s fold ...
  7. serriy
    serriy 3 November 2017 16: 27
    +2
    What a mlyn! "Friends" "help" of Russia is inexhaustible. But the country does not have enough money for itself.
    Yes, even a thief to a thief and a thief drives.
    Yes, BLOCKED !!! To the dump THIS IS "OUR" GOVERNMENT! negative
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2017 16: 54
    +2
    Here are all the answers to the question of modernization, import substitution and the injection of funds into the industry.
  9. Going
    Going 3 November 2017 17: 30
    +9
    The total investment in the preparation of production for 2021-2022 by the state program project has been cut 10 times,
    Gutenev said at the exit meeting of the commission in Ulyanovsk.


    Not really decided to rely on horses and return to AN, it will be a big mistake.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 3 November 2017 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: Going
      Not really decided to rely on horses and return to AN, it will be a big mistake.

      Ek, where you suffered. It's already from the realm of fiction.
      1. Going
        Going 3 November 2017 18: 43
        +9
        There is information that negotiations are ongoing with Antonov, but they did not stop.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 3 November 2017 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: Going
          There is information that negotiations are ongoing with Antonov, but they did not stop.

          Negotiations are underway on the extension of the An-124 Ruslan resource, but not on the release of any new aircraft. Recently, the joint project An-148 was closed. What other things can be with such "partners"
          1. Going
            Going 3 November 2017 19: 11
            +9
            Not only, but up to the pulling of production into the territory of Russia.
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 4 November 2017 11: 18
              +1
              Quote: Going
              Not only, but up to the pulling of production into the territory of Russia.


              Hmm ... In this matter, it seems, Belarusians and Chinese already poured a bit before Russia ...
              And for our non-our breeders THIS question had to be solved oh how long !!!
  10. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 3 November 2017 18: 00
    0
    The people didn’t understand what, but they were already aroused, and began to throw shit at the fan.
    First, find out how prices for defense industry products are formed, how agreements are made, with what conditions, etc.
  11. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 3 November 2017 18: 05
    +5
    It turns out that the Indians were right when they left the project. It can be assumed that the design bureau with pleasure “mastered” the money, drawing beautiful presentations on the computer as reports, and when the time came to present intermediate, but concrete results, they weren’t there.
    If there is no team that could design the plane, then at least the whole budget of the Russian Federation will go there - there will be no sense. But the money will be mastered, it is a fact.
    1. evaee
      evaee 4 November 2017 08: 32
      0
      Here I am, for example, a designer of non-standard equipment (roughly speaking, practically everything) ... The states have reduced and it turned out that the designer is not needed simply because no one is designing, it’s more profitable to buy in China ...
  12. groks
    groks 3 November 2017 19: 06
    +1
    If you cut off financing, but at the same time slaughter all the effectivists, then there’s nothing to worry about. If these same effectivists snag 90% of the money, then the project will be funded. The second option is much more likely. Overwhelming.
    While our aircraft production is unprofitable and seriously unprofitable. Without at least some protectionism and establishing order in the country, they will remain unprofitable and there will be no new aircraft, or they will ruin the budget.
  13. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 4 November 2017 18: 58
    0
    “IL-276, formerly known as IL-214, MTS (multi-purpose transport aircraft) and SVTS (medium military transport aircraft), is being developed by the Ilyushin Aviation Complex, was to replace the An-12, An-26 and An-72 in Russian Air Force and Indian Air Force
    It’s interesting how they wanted to replace with the same aircraft as different as the An-12 (heavy), An-26 (light) - both turboprops and An-72 (slightly higher than the light An-26, with the possibility of shortened take-off and landing, turbofan)?
    Nonsense!
    And nobody wrote off the IL-476 program (the modernized IL-76).
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 November 2017 17: 41
    0
    This is a dead project on the brakes ... The MO is first of all waiting for the Il-112- replacement of the An-24/26.