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The day of the anti-Russian uprising in Kyrgyzstan made a national holiday

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The other day in Kyrgyzstan, which is considered one of the post-Soviet republics closest to Russia, it was decided to rename the October Revolution Day on the Day stories and ancestral memory. Given the general trends in the political development of the post-Soviet states, this is not surprising. November 7 is no longer a public holiday in the Russian Federation, where instead it is celebrated on November 4, National Unity Day. So, on the one hand, the President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev acted quite in the spirit of the “elder brother”, renaming the holiday on the Russian National Unity Day. All anything, but there are some very interesting facts.


First, the Day of the History and Memory of the Ancestors is established in memory of the uprising against the Russian Empire, which began in 1916, when the country participated in the First World War. Secondly, for Kyrgyzstan, oddly enough, November 7 is a much more symbolic day than for Russia. After all, it was thanks to the October Revolution that Kyrgyzstan gained its statehood - first as autonomy, then as a union republic, and now as a sovereign country.

The famous 1916 uprising of the year broke out in Central Asia due to a number of factors. The formal reason for the uprising was the decision of the tsarist government to mobilize the native population to carry out rear works in the front line. Prior to this, the overwhelming majority of Central Asian residents were not involved in military service in the Russian army. Naturally, this decision caused a storm of discontent among the residents of Turkestan, who were not going to go to distant lands for hard work, abandoning their own families, land and farming.



Do not forget about the social background. Large plots of land in Central Asia were allocated to Russian settlers and Cossacks, which also caused discontent among local residents. Between the Cossacks and the settlers on the one hand, the native population on the other has always existed hidden tension. But until Russia entered the war, the relative order was maintained by the impressive forces of the Cossacks and military units. Since the beginning of the war, most of the Cossacks were sent from Central Asia to the front, which reduced the level of security in the region. Russian villages and Cossack villages remained virtually without a male population, which immediately increased their vulnerability to criminal attacks from the side of insurgents, and just criminals.

Protest sentiments were skillfully fueled by part of the local elite — feudal lords and clergy. It is not a secret that many representatives of the Turkestan elite, formally demonstrating their loyalty to the Russian authorities, in fact secretly hated Russia and dreamed of returning to the times that preceded the Russian conquest of Central Asia. Religious fundamentalist sentiments were also widespread, especially among the Sarts (sedentary Uzbeks and Tajiks). Plus, we should not forget that by the year of 1916, the Russian Empire was firmly bogged down in the First World War, and Turkish agents worked hard in Central Asia.

It was the guides of Turkish influence that promoted the spread of pan-Turkic and anti-Russian sentiments among the Central Asian elite, and that, in turn, transmitted it to the masses. Already in 1914, proclamations began to spread in Central Asia that the sultan of the Ottoman Empire, who bore the title of Caliph of Muslims, announced a jihad to the Entente and Russia, including all Orthodox believers to join it. In neighboring East Turkestan (Xinjiang Province of China), Germanic and Turkish agents acted who established secret deliveries. weapons through the poorly protected due to the landscape of the area and the length of the Russian-Chinese border. Preparations for the uprising was under way.

Unrest began on July 4, 1916, in Khojent, and by August, 1916, overwhelmed most of Turkestan, including the Seven Rivers. On the territory of modern Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, as well as in the Fergana Valley, the uprising reached its greatest scope. The victims of the rebels were, first of all, civilians - settlers, Cossack families. Russian villages, Cossack villages and farms were cut with incredible cruelty. Today, Kazakh and Kyrgyz politicians like to argue that the tsarist government very harshly suppressed the national liberation uprising in the region, forgetting about the atrocities committed by the rebels against the civilian population. What was the fault of Russian women, children, old people? They did not take decisions on the mobilization of the native population, did not call on the natives for front-line work. But they paid with their lives for the policies of the tsarist government. The rebels did not spare the civilian population - they killed, raped, robbed, burned houses. Many books and articles have been written about how the “heroes” of the national-liberation movement dealt with the peaceful Russian population, so it’s not worth going into a more detailed description. It was the peaceful Russian population that took the brunt of the rebels, and not the regular troops, who had not yet arrived in time. As soon as the Russian troops entered Turkestan, the uprising was quickly suppressed. Its individual foci flared up to the 1917 year, but on a much smaller scale.

Today, when in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, considered the closest allies and partners of Russia in Central Asia, are honoring the memory of the participants in the uprising against Russia, this causes confusion only at first glance. In fact, this is a completely logical continuation of those installations that were formed during the Soviet era. Already in the 1920-ies the uprising in Turkestan was proclaimed national liberation, while the atrocities against the local Russian and Cossack population in the Soviet literature are not covered. In Soviet times, any uprisings and speeches against the Russian Empire were considered fair, and the state itself was called nothing other than the “prison of nations.” The interests and destinies of the Russian and Cossack population were preferred not to be remembered. Sadly, the same paradigm has been preserved in post-Soviet Russia.

This is not surprising, since the post-Soviet Russian state was headed either by representatives of the same party nomenklatura, or the younger cadres already educated by them. They view Russia primarily as a continuation of the Soviet Union, respectively, and the Soviet national policy meets with their understanding and approval. Hence the attitude to the Russian population outside of Russia itself. If Hungary immediately defended the Hungarians living in Transcarpathia and was ready to go against the entire European Union, supporting the Kiev regime, for thirty years Russia is limited to only protest notes against Latvia, where the Russian population is even deprived of citizenship status in violation of international law only on the basis of the fact of nationality.



In turn, the leadership of Kyrgyzstan, like other post-Soviet states of Central Asia, needs to strengthen its national identity. To accomplish this task, it is necessary to create and implant in the public consciousness numerous national myths and symbols. Considering that the economic situation in the republics of Central Asia leaves much to be desired, the level of corruption is very high, religious-fundamentalist ideas are spreading, creating an image of the enemy remains an ideal way to construct and strengthen national identity and ensure the so-called national unity. The entire identity of all post-Soviet states is built on the opposition of Russia to itself. National history is presented as the history of the endless resistance of the freedom-loving peoples of the Russian aggression, and then to the Russian (and Soviet) oppression. Therefore, for more than twenty years, numerous anti-Russian attacks of a very different nature have taken place - from the introduction of the status of “non-citizens” in Latvia to the struggle with monuments, the transition from Cyrillic to Latin and so on. In addition, the elites of the post-Soviet republics are counting on some support from the United States and the West, who are interested in the final weakening of Russian positions in the post-Soviet space.

The republics of Central Asia themselves are now maneuvering between Russia, the West, and China, while at the same time establishing links with Turkey and other Islamic countries. The main problem is the complete economic fiasco of almost all republics except Kazakhstan. But it is intelligible to explain to the population why it lives in poverty, and, moreover, to try to rectify the situation, having adjusted the economy, the authorities of the republics are not able to. Therefore, it is much easier for them to continue to cultivate the image of an external enemy in the face of the “wrong historical Russia” that conquered and conquered highly cultured and politically stable societies and the state of Turkestan in the XVIII-XIX centuries. Stressing the friendly disposition towards Russia of today, the authorities of the post-Soviet republics cannot refrain from once again stabbing historical Russia (including the Soviet Union).

At the same time, the majority of the post-Soviet states cannot refuse to cooperate with Russia. For example, from the same Kyrgyzstan a huge number of men and women left for work in Russia. Citizens of this and other republics are in Russia for years, earn money here, send them back to their homeland, thereby solving the socio-economic problems of their countries that are not able to solve the elite. A schizophrenic situation is created when in the republics of Central Asia they are demonstratively switching to the Latin alphabet, they minimize the study of the Russian language in schools, but at the same time millions of labor migrants go to Russia and earn money in Russia. Would knowledge of the Russian language and culture really harm them to make money in Russia?

The second major contradiction is the attitude to the Soviet power. For the post-Soviet states, the Soviet Union is a continuation of the Russian empire, respectively, the USSR’s policy is also evaluated negatively. But after all, the statehood of the same republics of Central Asia was created precisely because of the October Revolution and the national policy of the Soviet Union. The process of creating nations and national republics in many regions of Central Asia was stimulated "from above" by the Soviet authorities. Republican leaders who grew up and were raised in Soviet times cannot but know this. But the political situation requires them to abandon all Russian, Russian, and hence the Soviet. From the same series - the demolition of monuments of the Soviet era in the Baltic States and Ukraine.



By the way, in the decree of the President of Kyrgyzstan, in addition to renaming 7 in November, it also contains a recommendation to the country's parliament to consider renaming Pick Lenin to Manas Peak. How is this better than the demonstrative demolition of monuments to Lenin in Ukraine after Euromaidan? After all, it was Lenin who laid the prerequisites for modern Kyrgyz statehood. Already in the year of Lenin's death from the southern part of the Dzhetysu and north-eastern parts of the Fergana region of the former Turkestan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the Kara-Kyrgyz Autonomous Region was created, in 1925, renamed the Kyrgyz Autonomous Region of the RSFSR. Subsequently, the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was created on its basis, on the basis of which, in turn, the Kyrgyz SSR appeared in 1936, already in the status of a union republic.

Of course, in Russia itself there are many supporters of the renaming of cities, streets, squares, named after Soviet party leaders. We will not now go into political discussions on this issue. The fact is that “deideologization” in Russia and in the post-Soviet republics has a completely different nature. If in Russia the rejection of some Soviet names is based on the rejection of the communist ideology, in the post-Soviet republics the main reason for this refusal is the desire to get rid of any Russian presence. Here Lenin is not Vladimir Ilyich, but Russia.

All of these processes, the Russian leadership looks very neutral. Not so long ago, in June 2017, the finance ministers of Russia and Kyrgyzstan signed a document stipulating the cancellation of loan debts in the amount of $ 240 million to Bishkek. This is a huge amount of money that could well be in demand in Russia. But Russia went to the meeting of the Central Asian Republic, given its difficult economic and social situation. And this is not the first debt relief. Over the past eleven years, Russia has written off more than 703 million dollars of external debt to Kyrgyzstan. As you can see, the attitude of these broad gestures does not get better. The East is a delicate matter, and such “gifts” can be understood here as a manifestation of weakness.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 2 November 2017 06: 23
    +7
    I have the impression that in Kyrgyzstan they are following the path of Ukraine or China. So soon it will reach * ancient ukrov * and * Pekinopithecus *, and there also to the center of world civilization. Moreover, Central Asia is such. Here are just Kyrgyz-Kazakh-Uzbeks who came to these lands. However, like the Chinese and Ukrainians.
    It is sad that not only education, but also morality have degraded. The glorification of robbers and slave traders will not pass unnoticed. Already today there are those who begin to glorify Basmachism and present the times of the Emir Khan as * blessed *, emphasizing * national characteristics *.
    Sadly all this.
    1. Vend
      Vend 2 November 2017 09: 16
      +5
      It's time to stop helping. If they are so smart, let them raise their own country.
      1. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 2 November 2017 13: 58
        +7
        loans were given to the elite who sawed them. it may be necessary to work not only with the elite, but more attention of ordinary youth through grants for education in Russia, advanced training and other tools. see how the west works how many youth pass through their hands. even if this youth does not break into power, then the donor will remain sympathetic to the country. and let you say it yourself. if not you are different, the same China is not asleep. and Russia’s advice-took up tug do not say that a dozen. this is to the fact that he was called a superpower and act accordingly and still want to work hard not only with the elite but also with ordinary people and not formally but specifically
      2. serriy
        serriy 2 November 2017 20: 33
        +2
        It is time to demand a better relationship with yourself and your country.
        And then it’s the impression that we do not have our government, but some kind of international branch — joint projects, assistance, construction for someone somewhere. angry
        By the way, they did not mention the "gift" of Kyrgyzstan 100 billion. !!! for gasification. We have nothing to do with money!?!?!?!? fool
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 2 November 2017 10: 29
      +1
      Thanks to the Russian empire and the Soviet Union, the nations and people included in them were preserved

      November 2, 1721, 296 years ago, Tsar Peter I took the title of Peter the Great, Emperor of All Russia, and Russia became an empire.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 2 November 2017 13: 23
      +4
      This is a pattern. Personally, I predicted this back in '92. The laws of the collapse of the empire just work. In order for the bits of the empire to become independent states, under the control of local elites, they need to be contrasted with the previous period. To prevent people from being nostalgic for the times of a single state, local elites tell how these people were oppressed there. And in general, those who remained in other state-wahs are not at all like this. So in all republics it was - there are no exceptions. And accordingly, the main oppressor is the skeletal people of the empire — the Russians. So that no one wants to return to them. Better to be the first in the village than the last in the city. This is the basic law of any local elite. hi
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 1 June 2018 19: 57
        -1
        An interesting expression is “the external period.” Could it be more detailed? Is it like a temporal-spatial continuum?
  2. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 2 November 2017 06: 35
    +6
    I do not get tired of repeating the words of the worthy ruler of Russia, Alexander 3: "Russia has only two allies: its army and fleet" © you can only add "and VKS". with all our other "friends", including those in the CIS, you need to be prepared for the fact that tomorrow they will cease to be them.
    1. Military Builder
      Military Builder 2 November 2017 07: 13
      +2
      in the 90s, everything except Belarusians and Kazakhs confirmed these words of Alexander III
      1. Qazaq 1974
        Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 01
        0
        Is there a fleet ???
  3. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 2 November 2017 06: 37
    +7
    Quote: Vasily50
    I have the impression that in Kyrgyzstan they are following the path of Ukraine or China. So soon it will reach * ancient ukrov * and * Pekinopithecus *, and there also to the center of world civilization. Moreover, Central Asia is such. Here are just Kyrgyz-Kazakh-Uzbeks who came to these lands. However, like the Chinese and Ukrainians.
    It’s sad that not only education was degraded,
    Sadly all this.

    As for the path of Ukraine, they took it directly from the language, Vasily50 !!!!!! Russia continues to support the republics in one way or another. But in this case, we don’t know what they speak in their own language about Russia, it is not clear.
    And education and education degrade even more with the advent of the Latin alphabet.
    Thanks for the article, Ilya.
  4. Military Builder
    Military Builder 2 November 2017 06: 58
    +3
    it’s a “disease” not only of the Kyrgyz, to be “independent” from Russia, every more or less well-known nation wants to become even those who are now part of Russia, while they all consider themselves humiliated and insulted by Russians, and now they believe that getting rid of total Soviet they strengthen their sovereignty
  5. Military Builder
    Military Builder 2 November 2017 07: 21
    +4
    Quote: Reptiloid
    And education and education degrade even more with the advent of the Latin alphabet.

    today it’s not correct to blame the problems of education in Latin, in Russia they haven’t switched and are not going to switch, and the level of education is confidently striving for a baseboard.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 November 2017 13: 25
      0
      Quote: Military Builder
      today it’s not correct to blame the problems of education in Latin, in Russia they haven’t switched and are not going to switch, and the level of education is confidently striving for a baseboard.

      That's what it is all about. With the ban on the Russian language in Ukraine, topics were raised that both special and many of the highest technical terms were absent in the Ukrainian language. Create new ones? After all, even now not everyone wants to speak modern Ukrainian. So, these terms will not be used and the quality of training will drop. But Ukraine was the most developed of the former Soviet republics. In the republics of Central Asia, this problem will be much more pronounced. For the whole population to feel comfortable in Latin, a long time must pass. Although, maybe the goal is different ----- let the majority of the population be illiterate.
      The elite will have more rights and opportunities.
      Therefore, against the background of those countries, Russia's education will always be higher.
      1. Curious
        Curious 2 November 2017 15: 50
        +2
        About the dependence of the quality of education on the presence of terms in them is completely stupid. I even presented my teacher at the institute, who, conducting a lecture on theoretical theory in many places, says: "Now we will calculate what is not named in our language." Read the history of Hebrew at your leisure so that you don’t write humoresques.
  6. Alex_59
    Alex_59 2 November 2017 07: 29
    +7
    Of course, in Russia itself there are many supporters of renaming cities, streets, squares, named after Soviet party leaders.
    The funny thing is that local authorities often sit in a puddle on this issue. The question arises of renaming under the guise of a return to historical names. But what to do when the 2 / 3 city streets were built in Soviet times and the only "historical" name from birth was only Soviet - "communist", "Komsomol", "Lenin"?
    Or another example. The historical pre-revolutionary name is returned to the city street, but it looks ridiculous because 90% of the length of the street was rebuilt in Soviet times. And that stub that was before the revolution is completely lost, but its name is returned to the street as a whole. It turns out that the street, built almost from scratch in the 30-ies, suddenly turns out to be called the historical name "monastery" or "cathedral". A dog is attached to the tail. Of course, people do not care, as always, but for those who still have brains it looks very funny.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 2 November 2017 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: Alex_59
      The funny thing is that local authorities often sit in a puddle on this issue. The question arises of renaming under the guise of a return to historical names.

      I don’t know, but in my city part of the historical names came back even under the Soviet regime, and the Soviet names went on those streets that either carried meaningless names or were built up again.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 2 November 2017 08: 52
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        Soviet names went on those streets that either carried meaningless names or were built up again.

        Well, everyone has different ways. But funny situations do happen. In our city, recently communist street was renamed to Peter and Paul. About 2 km of this street was before the 17 year, plus another 2 km was completed after. But the funniest thing is different. Peter and Paul Street was named so because it started from the Cathedral of Peter and Paul. The cathedral is alive and well, but its official postal address is not Communist, and not even Petropavlovskaya, but the neighboring Sovetskaya Street, which for some reason was not renamed. ))) As a result, a fierce gap in the template. The historic church on Sovetskaya Street, but the street named after the temple is now in no way connected with it. )))
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 2 November 2017 09: 17
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          As a result, a fierce break in the template. The historical temple on Sovetskaya Street, but the street named after the temple is now in no way connected with it. )))

          Well, this is really nonsense and when not friends with the head. In our country, Lenin Street used to consist of Bolshaya and Suvorovskaya Streets, they did not rename them, so Lenina remained. And after 1991 it wasn’t particularly renamed, two or three streets, there were more conversations.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 2 November 2017 14: 14
          +1
          Greetings! hi
          Quote: Alex_59
          As a result, a fierce break in the template. The historical temple on Sovetskaya Street, but the street named after the temple is now in no way connected with it. )))

          The fierce break of the template is a gymnasium named after Princess E.M. Oldenburg on the street of the Proletarian Dictatorship. laughing
    2. creak
      creak 2 November 2017 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: Alex_59
      But what to do when 2/3 of the city’s streets were built during the Soviet era and the only “historical” name from birth is only Soviet - “communist”, “Komsomol”, “Lenin”?

      And the name Communist impasse had to be left as a historical name?
      Quote: Alex_59
      who else has brains it looks very funny.

      I agree, it looks ridiculous, but those who came up with such a name in the days of the USSR did not have everything in their brains ...
      As for the topic of the article, what is the use of talking about endless flirting with our "smaller brothers" - to be respected - you must first learn to respect yourself - first you need to start small and name the country Kyrgyzstan , and its inhabitants Kyrgyz in accordance with the norms of the Russian language, and not force it and write Kyrgyz ... Kyrgyz themselves can call themselves whatever they like, their business. And you can agree on the main provisions - in the East, one-sided concessions are regarded as a sign of weakness, and not a gesture of goodwill, I know this not from other people's words.
      We do not call Georgia Sakartvelo, Germany Deutschland, but Egypt- Misr as it sounds in Arabic ...
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 2 November 2017 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: ranger
        I agree, it looks ridiculous, but those who came up with such a name in the days of the USSR did not have everything in their brains ...

        "The area of ​​four fools - Mentors, Drummers, Enthusiasts, Peredovikov." smile
  7. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 November 2017 07: 32
    +8
    Author But the political situation requires them to give up everything Russian, Russian, and therefore Soviet
    Soviet is not rejected, it is rejected all russianand about the Soviet one, the explanation of the administration of the president of Kyrgyzstan says the following: “The events of 1916 are rightly interpreted in our country as the reason for the positive perception of the October revolution. Because really the change of power in then-Russia gave a chance not only to the Kyrgyz people, but also to other peoples who lived under colonial oppression, to preserve and gain their own national statehood during the twentieth century».
    They offer the Russians to rejoice with them the liberation from Russian oppression.
    .
    If you read the materials of the 10th and 12th congresses of the rkpbe, you can see an endless struggle with "Great Russian chauvinism", with "Russian scoundrels"-" colonialists ", returning lands to Russians from the Kyrgyz, salvation"endangered"Kyrgyz" and other mountain peoples.

    And the Bolsheviks succeeded: the Kirghiz and the Gorsky have excellent demographics, the former "colonialists" are dying out and practically expelled from Asia ...
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 2 November 2017 08: 42
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      And the Bolsheviks succeeded:

      Churchill, Adenauer and DeGaul were also apparently Bolsheviks. They also succeeded. Word for word - the former "colonialists" are dying out, and the colonies have excellent demographics.
      Foul Bolsheviks, even reached Churchill and DeGoll. Horror! Horror!
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 2 November 2017 09: 37
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        Your sarcasm is inappropriate. Churchill, De Gaulle and Adenauer, unlike well-known figures, did not try to pursue a policy of "indigenousization" in the colonies, create pseudo-intelligentsia from the colonial population and did not tell tales about the "centuries-old oppression by the occupying tyrants." But the representatives of the left parties of England, France, Belgium, Portugal just raised the topic of "self-determination of the oppressed peoples."
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 2 November 2017 10: 20
          +5
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Churchill, De Gaulle and Adenauer, unlike well-known figures, did not try to pursue a policy of "indigenousization" in the colonies, create pseudo-intelligentsia from the colonial population and did not tell tales about the "centuries-old oppression by the occupying tyrants."

          Undoubtedly. They oppressed peoples simply destroyed. What kind of intelligentsia is there ...
          Although, who cares? Blame the Bolsheviks anyway, definitely!
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 2 November 2017 11: 05
            14
            Destroyed, speak? Then please name the list of peoples destroyed by Churchill and De Gaulle. Can you name it?
            You probably don’t know about the Francophonie and the formation in Algeria of a stratum of the population born in mixed marriages between the colonists and the local elite. As well as about the development of infrastructure in Portuguese Mozambique. And about the cessation of the tribal massacre in South Africa, after the establishment of the power of the white colonists.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 2 November 2017 11: 13
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Can you name it?

              Do you have a list of peoples destroyed by Lenin or Stalin? laughing
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Destroyed, speak?

              Well, yes, they destroyed it. In my opinion it is better to be a Kyrgyz whom the Russian Bolsheviks want to make a pseudo-intellectual than a Vietnamese farmer burnt by the French democratic napalm under Dien Bien Phu.
              However, again, all the same, the Bolsheviks are to blame for all the evil. The sun does not shine at night - the Bolsheviks crap. Anything.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 2 November 2017 11: 29
                15
                Stop clowning. I asked you a direct question. You are talking about the annihilation of peoples, mentioning Churchill and De Gaulle. Can you name the nations destroyed by order of these politicians? No? Then do not clog the ether with flood. I did not say anything about Ulyanov and Dzhugashvili in my comments, so your passage about them is useless. By the way, in the article, as well as in the discussion under it about these people, it was said that they created "national republics" at the expense of the territory and resources of Russia transformed into the RSFSR.
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 2 November 2017 11: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Stop clowning.

                  For God's sake. ))) Although I definitely like talking to you, friends. Attempts to hang on a local party in a single state (Bolsheviks on occasion) global processes taking place with all of humanity, in all developed countries, regardless of the political and economic models adopted by them, look very cute. (such as anti-colonial liberation of peoples, overbirth in underdeveloped countries, declining birth rates in developed countries, urbanization and population migration from rural to urban areas). What doesn’t make hate to commies (to which, by the way, I also don’t have love feelings) make me do it.
                  Actually I do not set the task of persuading you. Just having fun. laughing
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 2 November 2017 12: 13
                    14
                    Then one more question: who in this thread of discussion accused the Bolsheviks of "influencing global processes"? Here we are talking about one state - the USSR and the consequences of the policies of one party in one state. There was no talk about the impact on the world.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 1 June 2018 20: 10
              -1
              Do you even know the wise guy about the Algerian war. Which did de Gaulle France wage in 1954-1962? (8 years !!!!). And dozens of national liberation troops in the former colonies of Great Britain? What did the British do there, if they didn’t destroy rebellious indigenous people?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 2 November 2017 11: 29
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Your sarcasm is inappropriate. Churchill, De Gaulle and Adenauer, in contrast to prominent figures, did not try to pursue a policy of "indigenousization" in the colonies

          Dear Poruchik, it is useless to explain anything.
          Novorussia was given to Ukraine, Ukrainians were forcibly Ukrainized, they say, “Oh, how good it is for the Russian people!”
          The Cossacks of the North Caucasus, Semirechye and other peasants of the "Russian scoundrels" (Russian Chechnya) were cut out, sent, the same: "Oh, how good for the Russians!"
          Russians have been dying since 1964: "Oh, how well Russians lived!"
          What is left in them? Almost nothing....
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 2 November 2017 11: 39
            +5
            Quote: Olgovich
            Russians with 1964 d die out:

            A nightmare, a nightmare! Rosstat collections of demographics and "Russia in numbers" - a fake! The Bolsheviks replaced everything! lol
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 3 November 2017 09: 23
              +1
              Quote: Alex_59
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russians with 1964 d die out:

              A nightmare, a nightmare! Rosstat collections of demographics and "Russia in numbers" - a fake! The Bolsheviks replaced everything! lol

              It’s a nightmare to see pompous dense illiteracy that does not want to know the world around it and its laws, in particular, demographic laws: based on SOVIET data (and not Rosstat), scientists (including Soviet-Translators) EVERYTHING is calculated: the extinction of Russians 1964: http: //www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0417/tema02.
              php
              You can stubbornly close your eyes so that you are not afraid of the TRUTH.

              Do not write pro-global processes of extinction: in Belgium-France, the population density a hundred years ago is 280 h / km2, in Russia-9,5 people.
              They had nowhere to grow, but Russia was where.
              Today, the flatness of Russia-8,4 people-this means absorption by neighbors-does not reach again?
          2. Military Builder
            Military Builder 2 November 2017 13: 34
            +5
            The emancipation of the woman is the cause of extinction, and everything else is nonsense.
          3. Curious
            Curious 2 November 2017 20: 14
            +3
            Dear Olgovich! You, like no one on this site, have studied all that harm. which the communists have inflicted on humanity. Here, in particular, you say - "Ukrainized by force of Russians." Would you be so gracious in more detail about the process of forced Ukrainization of Russians by the Communists.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 3 November 2017 09: 31
              +1
              Quote: Curious
              Would you be so gracious in more detail about the process of forced Ukrainization of Russians by the Communists.

              I will not be nice: there are a lot of literature on this subject. You previously knew how to find what interests you ... What happened?
              1. Curious
                Curious 3 November 2017 10: 21
                +1
                And at least a couple of samples of literature from this set, as a specialist, indicate.
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 1 June 2018 20: 18
                  0
                  This is their essence, the “truly Russian patriots” of the Olgovichi. Teterins and others.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 2 November 2017 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: Alex_59
        Quote: Olgovich
        And the Bolsheviks succeeded:

        Churchill, Adenauer and DeGaul were also apparently Bolsheviks. They also succeeded. Word for word - the former "colonialists" are dying out, and the colonies have excellent demographics.
        Foul Bolsheviks, even reached Churchill and DeGoll. Horror! Horror!

        Carrots look like a finger, but these are different things.
        Adenauer, by the way, which side? Do you know foreign words? lol
        De Gaulle drove the French from their land and gave them to the indigenous, created them a state? fool
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 November 2017 07: 46
    +4
    Quote: K0
    I do not get tired of repeating the words of the worthy ruler of Russia, Alexander 3: "Russia has only two allies: its army and fleet" © you can only add "and VKS". with all our other "friends", including those in the CIS, you need to be prepared for the fact that tomorrow they will cease to be them.

    Stopudovo agree! Unfortunately, the author is right: our leadership, although by inertia, continues to act like the Soviet leadership. Hence the cancellation of debts, but the Soviet Union already does not exist, and there is RUSSIA
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 2 November 2017 07: 52
    +5
    In Soviet times, any uprisings and protests against the Russian Empire were considered fair, and the state itself was called nothing more than a "prison of peoples." They preferred not to recall the interests and destinies of the Russian and Cossack population. Sadly, the same paradigm has persisted in post-Soviet Russia.


    I agree ...

    This was clearly manifested in 1994 in Chechnya and also in Tajikistan ... the massacre of the Russian-speaking population was terrible and we must not forget about it ...
    so that this does not happen again and this is not a fairy tale it is a reality.
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 November 2017 07: 52
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Quote: Vasily50
    I have the impression that in Kyrgyzstan they are following the path of Ukraine or China. So soon it will reach * ancient ukrov * and * Pekinopithecus *, and there also to the center of world civilization. Moreover, Central Asia is such. Here are just Kyrgyz-Kazakh-Uzbeks who came to these lands. However, like the Chinese and Ukrainians.
    It’s sad that not only education was degraded,
    Sadly all this.

    As for the path of Ukraine, they took it directly from the language, Vasily50 !!!!!! Russia continues to support the republics in one way or another. But in this case, we don’t know what they speak in their own language about Russia, it is not clear.
    And education and education degrade even more with the advent of the Latin alphabet.
    Thanks for the article, Ilya.

    I apologize, but education and education are similar, but not identical, but otherwise I agree
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 2 November 2017 08: 04
    +5
    The fact is that “de-ideologization” in Russia and in the post-Soviet republics has a completely different nature.
    ... Nature is one ... Why is it possible in Russia, but we cannot ..? In Russia, they deny the communist past, and we deny .. But the denial of communism leads to nationalism in various forms, from moderate to extreme, which we have been observing lately .. If anyone remembers the engineer Garin's hyperboloid, it describes the Golden Island, where Garin mined gold .. Workers working on mining, divided by nationality, the place of their compact residence is surrounded by barbed wire, there is enough food, alcohol, a decent salary, they get gold .. All national holidays are celebrated .. Sometimes provocateurs arrange ethnic clashes so that it would not be boring ... But there are parts that do not allow these clashes to flare up in the slaughter, plus a combat hyperboloid that watches over this entire territory ...
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 November 2017 08: 05
    +3
    Ilya, thank you for your work. You touched upon an important topic: how artificial formations thank and honor their benefactor. Were it not for Lenin and his dreams of a brotherhood of working people, what would be: Ukrainians, or the very Kyrgyz? If they were smarter, they would have to put Lenin around and praise every hour: "great benefactor, for our prosperity you destroyed the EMPIRE, it was better to take pieces from your people to give us"
    1. Qazaq 1974
      Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 05
      0
      If not for Lenin, there would have been more Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs !!!! While the USSR existed, our nations were shrinking every year, look at the statistics!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 3 November 2017 04: 14
        +1
        Give statistics. Pliz.
      2. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 3 November 2017 19: 01
        0
        Dear Qazaq 1974, but answer why not in Latin?
        1. Qazaq 1974
          Qazaq 1974 3 November 2017 19: 09
          +1
          Poterpite, nemnogo! pod'u4imsya i budem botat 'na latinnice !!!!!!!!!
          A kstati na kakom yazyke? Na Qazaqskom vy ne poimete ni na kirillice ni na latinice! Neu4 !!!
  13. San Sanych
    San Sanych 2 November 2017 08: 11
    +3
    All of these are "independent", and they go to work in Russia, well, they would go to work in the emirates and other Muslim countries
    1. ilimnoz
      ilimnoz 2 November 2017 13: 32
      +1
      go to the emirates and to Saudi Arabia and Turkey, you will be surprised at their number. when the Russian-speaking generations end, the rest will just first go to work there or to Southeast Asia. they go there to whom they sympathize .... while they go to Russia, it means that they will be pro-Russian in their countries and are a counterbalance to the Westerners. if they stop going to Russia, it means they have come off completely.
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 2 November 2017 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: ilimnoz
        go to the emirates and to Saudi Arabia and Turkey

        Yes, I have seen it more than once ... But they all work to serve Russian tourists, well, those whom I saw ... But apparently artels from visitors who come to these countries can work somewhere. At construction sites, mines, factories ... But somehow it is hard to believe ... Guest workers from Wed. Asia, even in the Far East are abundant ....
        1. ilimnoz
          ilimnoz 2 November 2017 15: 23
          0
          "Yes, I have seen more than once ... But they all work to serve Russian tourists, well, those whom I saw .." and in Russia they do not work as governors :))
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 2 November 2017 15: 56
            +2
            Quote: ilimnoz
            governors work :))

            You can’t imagine how many visitors, starting from the very bottom, living in mul-hons for the first time, normally work, buy housing, obtain citizenship, arrange children for schools and institutes. Here their children can quite become governors. You probably can't say that about your country.
            1. ilimnoz
              ilimnoz 2 November 2017 16: 33
              0
              I do not argue in large countries, the plug is wider and in our small countries already. all the more difficult if not the titular nation. but this plug is for children of immigrants in any country with imperial claims, former or present.
              1. already a Muscovite
                already a Muscovite 2 November 2017 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: ilimnoz
                with imperial claims, former or present.

                where does the complaint? all the more imperial? Maybe the reason is nepotism and nepotism? And also in the historical revanchism of the former Limitrophs?
                1. ilimnoz
                  ilimnoz 2 November 2017 21: 00
                  +1
                  because where there are no imperial claims to the first place and nepotism and nepotism and revanchism come out, as you say "former limitrophs". and I relate to these imperial claims positively as they give any chance to any national minority to make their contribution to the construction of the state and its defense and be proud of this contribution
          2. San Sanych
            San Sanych 2 November 2017 16: 26
            +2
            Quote: ilimnoz
            "Yes, I have seen more than once ... But they all work to serve Russian tourists, well, those whom I saw .." and in Russia they do not work as governors :))

            Aman Tuleyev Governor of the Kemerovo region, Kazakh by nationality. In any former republic of the SA and Kazakhstan, is there currently at least one governor, or is there an akim who is Russian by nationality? And in leadership positions on a slightly smaller scale, citizens of non-Russian nationality in the Russian Federation cannot be counted at all
            1. ilimnoz
              ilimnoz 2 November 2017 16: 43
              0
              Aman Tuleyev is a Russian and almost all his life lived in Russia. and in Kazakhstan there are a lot of Russians in the highest echelons of power. and deputies and in prosecutors and in akims. I don’t follow anyone where but as far as I remember the Russians were both ministers and akims of the regions.
              1. San Sanych
                San Sanych 2 November 2017 17: 05
                0
                Quote: ilimnoz
                Aman Tuleyev is a Russian and almost all his life lived in Russia. and in Kazakhstan there are a lot of Russians in the highest echelons of power. and deputies and in prosecutors and in akims. I don’t follow anyone where but as far as I remember the Russians were both ministers and akims of the regions.

                that's how it turns out) even Tuleyev is “not right” Kazakh, probably because he was born in Turkmenistan) what can we say about the Russians who were born and now live in the great independent states of the SA)
                1. ilimnoz
                  ilimnoz 2 November 2017 17: 17
                  +1
                  I'm sorry, you probably misunderstood me. I didn’t mean that he is "not right" Kazakh; no, we are even proud of what he achieved in Russia. I say that he is Russian as well as our Russian Kazakhstanis.
      2. San Sanych
        San Sanych 2 November 2017 14: 58
        0
        Quote: ilimnoz
        go to the emirates and to Saudi Arabia and Turkey, you will be surprised at their number. when the Russian-speaking generations end, the rest will just first go to work there or to Southeast Asia. they go there to whom they sympathize .... while they go to Russia, it means that they will be pro-Russian in their countries and are a counterbalance to the Westerners. if they stop going to Russia, it means they have come off completely.

        In Turkey, KSA, Southeast Asia and South Korea, you won’t especially “get sick,” because to earn money you have to work like a mad pony, and you treat slaves like that, especially in Turkey, and therefore the majority go to Russia, there’s no language you must know Russian, it is already full of such, and not only in Moscow, but also in cities for less, and there are more and more of them. Prefer to go to the former "oppressors". And during the time of perestroika, all these "great" people shouted: - we will separate ourselves from Russia, drive out the Russian "colonialists" and live better than Kuwait and Switzerland
        1. ilimnoz
          ilimnoz 2 November 2017 15: 29
          0
          "San Sanych Today, 14:58 ↑ In Turkey, KSA, Southeast Asia and South Korea, you won’t especially" get sick ", because to earn money you have to work like a mad pony," you have to plow everywhere to earn money in Russia too.
          1. San Sanych
            San Sanych 2 November 2017 16: 50
            0
            Quote: ilimnoz
            "San Sanych Today, 14:58 ↑ In Turkey, KSA, Southeast Asia and South Korea, you won’t especially" get sick ", because to earn money you have to work like a mad pony," you have to plow everywhere to earn money in Russia too.

            but you tell this to those natives of Central Asia who worked in South Korea to assemble phones with a salary of 800 USD, a working day of 12 hours, and living in one room for 12 people, no one can stand it for more than a year, and this despite that knowledge of the local language is not necessary, unlike Turkey itself
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 November 2017 13: 34
      +1
      But whether they will be allowed to go to those countries. There were articles that they took completely different migrants, not Muslims, and literally enslaved them. For the stew.
      1. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 2 November 2017 14: 27
        0
        your information is not correct - let it go. not Muslims there are few and about slavery is not true. Of course, the main contingent is from very poor countries and they are paid in comparison with local miserables, but for them this money is enough for themselves and for sending families home. and even if the Muslim does not accept Islam there, local funds will give good bonuses and provide all possible assistance.
    3. Qazaq 1974
      Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 06
      0
      Soon everyone will mix up! look at the France national football team!
  14. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 2 November 2017 08: 46
    +2
    "North remembers"
  15. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 2 November 2017 08: 46
    18
    Today, Kazakh and Kyrgyz politicians like to talk about the fact that the tsarist government very harshly suppressed a national liberation uprising in the region, forgetting about the atrocities committed by the rebels against the civilian population.

    Absolutely sure
    Do not forget that this happened in wartime.
    And labor mobilization is a state affair. And then we don’t serve in the army (with the exception of Tekintsy) - we don’t want to work on defense either
    "Nomadic Kyrgyz" spoiled
    Thanks to the author for an interesting and important question.
    Its staging and disclosure
    1. garnik
      garnik 2 November 2017 18: 06
      0
      Sorry amendment. Teke (Tekinians) - a warlike Turkmen tribe, had excellent cavalry, fought as part of the Russian army.
      1. Rotmistr
        Rotmistr 2 November 2017 19: 26
        15
        What is the amendment?
        So I wrote - with the exception of Tekintsy did not serve.
        And from the Tekins, the Tekinsky Horse Regiment was formed (they almost deployed to the brigade).
        The article was published in VO - already in 4 parts)
        1. garnik
          garnik 2 November 2017 22: 32
          +1
          I just wanted to emphasize for members of the forum that Tekinians are Turkmen.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 3 November 2017 04: 32
      +1
      And labor mobilization is a state affair. And then we don’t serve in the army (with the exception of Tekintsy) - we don’t want to work on defense either
      "Nomadic Kyrgyz" spoiled

      It would be interesting to know, under what conditions did the same Kyrgyz join the Republic of Ingushetia? They didn’t just agree to leave under the auspices of the “White Tsar”, but under some conditions. Was it agreed that the Kyrgyz would be mobilized, even to the rear, in which case? Maybe I have false information, but not about any mobilization of speech. Therefore, if you look from this angle, you get the Government of the Republic of Ingushetia, grossly violated its obligations and provoked the massacre of Russians, moreover, knowing about the real situation, that is, about Turkish agents operating in Central Asia, and that the Cossacks mobilized. But in the end, V.I. is to blame Lenin. wassat
      1. Rotmistr
        Rotmistr 3 November 2017 10: 49
        15
        avva2012
        On what conditions did the same Kyrgyz join the Republic of Ingushetia? it turns out that the RI government grossly violated its obligations and provoked the massacre of Russians, moreover, knowing about the real situation, that is, about the Turkish agents operating in Central Asia, and that the Cossacks were mobilized. But in the end, V.I. is to blame Lenin

        And what have the conditions to do when they joined?
        Life flows, everything changes. World war - all peoples must bear the hardships. And then everyone enjoys the benefits, and hardships selectively?
        Or as Indians - live on reservations.
        About the rebellion.
        This year, due to heavy losses incurred on the fronts of the First World War and in connection with the transition to a positional war, the government decided to call on the entire male population of Turkestan from 19 to 31 for defensive rear work.
        The draft order followed on June 28, and on July 9 riots arose on this ground - simultaneously in the city of Andijan and Kokand, on July 11 in Tashkent and July 13 in the Samarkand region, where they turned into armed resistance.
        On August 6, the Kirghiz of the Semirechensk region (Dzhetysu) revolted, where the uprising was the most organized and longest, and in mid-August the Yomud Turkmen (in the western part of Turkmenistan) revolted.
        The uprising was crushed, and by February 1, 1917, 110000 workers were sent to the fronts and more than 10000 people were left inside Turkestan to carry out defense work. By May 1917, it was planned to gather as many as 80000 people.
        The Turkestan Governor-General, General of Infantry A. N. Kuropatkin, reporting on the reasons for the uprising, pointed out the following circumstances:
        1) haste of recruitment, without preliminary preparation of the population; 2) lack of population registration; 3) the call came during the period of active harvesting; 4) hostile political agitation and 5) unsatisfactory regulations on the management of the Turkestan region.
        Everything is generally solvable
        A. V.I. Lenin has nothing to do with it
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 3 November 2017 12: 18
          +2
          And what have the conditions to do when they joined?

          A contract is a contract for how many years have passed. Our attitude to the Central Asian peoples and to others was different than that of European civilizers. Even if the accession occurred by force of a weapon, then they were not treated as second-class people. And therefore, non-compliance, this is a direct disrespect. A. N. Kuropatkin, the reasons, apparently, correctly indicated. But the first reason was that, he could not indicate, the incompetence of that power. If you understood how it could end, then initially you had to use force, even before the uprising arose and there were victims. Her, that is, the power was understood and accepted, where to go. Eastern mentality.
  16. captain
    captain 2 November 2017 10: 11
    +7
    As Putin said; Leninist national politics has come back to us more than once. Lenin in his work "On the question of nationalities or on" autonomy "and in the work" On the national pride of the Great Russians "suggested that all territorial issues be decided at the expense of the Russians. That is why the Cossack lands were presented to Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. I think that the time is not far off in Kazakhstan, the massacre of Russians will begin.
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 2 November 2017 10: 29
      0
      true captain ....
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 2 November 2017 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: captain
      . I think that the time is not far off when the massacre of Russians will begin in Kazakhstan.


      You are right.
      The restraining factor of frenzied nationalism, in the person of Nazarbayev, is running out.
      Even the transition to the Latin alphabet in the Kazakh alphabet is another bell of nationalism.

      This year’s acquaintances said goodbye to Kazakh citizenship and got Russian - people flee from KZ, remembering the surge of Kazakh nationalism in the 90s.
      1. Qazaq 1974
        Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 14
        +3
        recalling the surge of Kazakh nationalism in the 90s ...
        What did he look like ???
        Who led to this ???
        Why did you ruin the Union ???
    3. Curious
      Curious 3 November 2017 01: 59
      +2
      I wonder where in the article "On the National Pride of the Great Russians" offers to resolve the territorial disputes that you are talking about?
  17. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 November 2017 10: 28
    +2
    One thing is clear, and history has proved this, with all the post-Soviet republics one must keep an eye out .... they will betray us very quickly, the Russians in all of them probably are considered occupiers in their genetic memory. They will never remember the good that the Russian Empire, the USSR brought them civilization and statehood, pulled out of the Middle Ages. They have such a mentality - Russian occupiers and enemies for their free republics.
    1. Qazaq 1974
      Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 13
      +1
      Everything is fine, of course, only during the years of Soviet power, Kazakhs were halved in number !!!!
      And yes, you are cool guys, they built everything for us here, brought civilization, but we still went with batons then, and you were already “civilized”! And we are ungrateful only reaping the benefits and we all sell you as Ukraine and act under the dictation of the United States!
      1. ilyaros
        2 November 2017 21: 11
        0
        so, what is next? The Russian people during the twentieth century also suffered huge losses, multimillion. These were disasters and all the peoples of Russia / Soviet Union suffered. As for civilization, your Kazakh website writes that by 1926, literate among the Kazakhs between the ages from 9 to 49 years were 9,9%. In 1939, Kazakhs were already literate 76%. What do you not tell how many doctors, teachers were before the revolution for a thousand people in the lands inhabited by the Kazakhs? (even without cities, although it was not thick there). And how much is now. By the way, since you mention the West, check out how many millions of Indians, Africans, Indonesians and others died as a result of the colonial policies of the European powers.
        1. Qazaq 1974
          Qazaq 1974 3 November 2017 19: 27
          0
          there could be more literate and doctors if it weren’t for the Bolshevik policy leading to the mass death and exodus of Kazakhs abroad .... And the West has nothing to do with it, now we are talking about you!
          And even so, we do not complain, and do not hold a grudge, everything happened, and other nations suffered, it’s true. But I start to get bothered just as the cry begins about some of our unconsciousness, about our some kind of nationalism, about non-existent pogroms!
  18. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 2 November 2017 11: 42
    +3
    The bays are back.
  19. andrewkor
    andrewkor 2 November 2017 12: 32
    +1
    So I didn’t understand, they renamed the holiday in honor of the Revolution, and the date was left and the Author for some reason tied it to the uprising in Turkestan, which began in July 1916. The "Jubilee" then passed and the Author with his article seemed to be late or the customers slammed such an event.
    1. ilyaros
      2 November 2017 17: 28
      0
      What is not clear? Atambayev made the decision to establish November 7 a day of historical memory - in honor of the 1916 uprising of the year.
  20. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 2 November 2017 14: 23
    18
    In vain the Kyrgyz
    All are obliged to Russia
    I support the author
  21. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 2 November 2017 15: 36
    0
    Love comes and goes FEAR remains forever. Somewhere we messed up the Russians with the attitude to the nationalities but we hope to learn ...
  22. Odysseus
    Odysseus 2 November 2017 15: 49
    +1
    The author’s logic is amazing. It turns out that former members of the CPSU (traitors to communism) in Russia can spit on the Soviet legacy and parasitize on it, while former members of the CPSU in Kyrgyzstan cannot do this. This is a “completely different matter”.
    No, the bourgeois parasite in Kyrgyzstan is no different from the same parasite in Russia. And they act the same way (with minimal regard for the "local people's mentality").
    Want to get capitalism in Russia? Get a country 3 of the world that will spit even in Kyrgyzstan. And there can be no other way.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 3 November 2017 04: 41
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey Want to get capitalism in Russia? Get a country 3 of the world that will spit even in Kyrgyzstan. And there can be no other way.

      In my opinion, if you want to be respected, you must stop spitting on your own past. This is at least. And also, it is advisable to keep money in your own banks, educate your own children in the state in which you manage something and do not invest "extra" state funds in the economy of a hostile country. If not, then get ready for the authorities to despise and hate the people.
  23. Qazaq 1974
    Qazaq 1974 2 November 2017 20: 08
    0
    WHAT ARE YOU SCANDALING PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  24. girbizides
    girbizides 2 November 2017 21: 40
    0
    November 7 - Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

    Source: http://www.calend.ru/work/kirgizstan/
    © Calend.ru
    this is the 7th.
    the rest of the text is about 8th. number. On this date, a new "holiday type" has been appointed, which hell infuriates all residents of the Kyrgyz Republic.
    In fact, Kyrgyzstan is the only country in the world that, for a second, is officially celebrating the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution !!!!!
    IMHO this story infuriates Russian people more and more than some kind of memorial day.
  25. girbizides
    girbizides 2 November 2017 21: 45
    +2
    still. The Minister of Economic Development of the Kyrgyz Republic is Artem Novikov. Not a Kyrgyz. and nothing - it works.
    I can personally argue that in Central Asia it was in the Kyrgyz Republic that the Russians survived the turbulent 90s and the collapse of the Union is the quietest. There was no such persecution as in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and there was no sin, and in Kazakhstan.
  26. Earnest
    Earnest 3 November 2017 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Military Builder
    The emancipation of the woman is the cause of extinction, and everything else is nonsense.

    A man’s loaf and other chopping is the cause of extinction. I don’t get drunk, but like a bee in a mink, I’m plowing without unbending, I have four children and two adoptive ones, and 11’s wife has been working as a housekeeper for years, and she takes all kinds of botoxes from the family budget to “pay” her beauty laughing
  27. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 4 November 2017 01: 26
    0
    Write-off of the RF debt as a dead poultice for Kyrgyzstan ...
    Kyrgyzstan has the highest public debt rate among the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus. At the beginning of the 2017 of the year, the level of the state debt of Kazakhstan amounted to slightly more than 20 percent of GDP, Uzbekistan - about 15, Turkmenistan - about 25. The highest indicators after Kyrgyzstan are in Armenia - about 50 percent, in Tajikistan - 45 and Azerbaijan - 40.
    More: https://ru.sputnik.kg/economy/20170629/1034058989
    /gosudarstvennyj-dolg-kyrgyzstana.html

    The size of the external public debt of Kyrgyzstan, according to the Ministry of Finance, currently stands at 3 billion 764 million dollars. Kyrgyzstan has the largest debt to China - 1,336 billion dollars. Further downward is debt to Russia ($ 300 million), Japan ($ 243 million), Germany ($ 100 million), Turkey ($ 97 million). In addition, Kyrgyzstan owes South Korea ($ 14 million), Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ($ 7 million), the United Arab Emirates ($ 6 million), France ($ 4 million) and Denmark ($ 3 million).

    https://rus.azattyk.org/a/28158551.html
  28. Dedall
    Dedall 4 November 2017 21: 11
    +1
    One of their scientists said: "Nature does not like emptiness." When applied to politics, this means that in those underdeveloped countries where an industrialized country loses its influence, agents of the enemy’s influence immediately appear. In Kyrgyzstan, in a purely everyday sense, it is important to us in that there are territories optimal for growing opium poppy. When in the valley of the Chu River, sung in many thieves' songs, there was a state farm where all the raw opium, the necessary CMEA pharmaceutical industry, was grown. And if you do not control these areas, then all this mass of poison will rush to the territory of Russia. And this will be carried out not without the help of our "potential opponents." This will result in a situation similar to the one when the ships of the East India Company brought opium to China. For more than three hundred years, the Chinese have been in a drug fog, having almost lost their statehood and degraded to the level of monkeys.
    If you look at this country from the point of view of economists, then there is a huge market for any goods from food to weapons. And this is also important for the further development of Russia.
    But if I express my personal point of view, then I did not see more evil and unpredictable people during my stay in Central Asia. At the same time, they are distinguished by a strongly developed sense of herdness, and it was they who showed themselves in full during the events in the Osh region during the perestroika. Only the advancement of units of the Ferghana Airborne Regiment allowed stopping riots there. Then for the first time I saw the use of military weapons in the crowd. And well, then it worked.