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Family Castle: Český Šternberk

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Probably many still remember the drawing from the textbook on stories Middle Ages for 6-th class of Soviet high school, where the knight's castle was depicted standing on a high cliff with sheer slopes. Of course, not all castles stood on such rocks, but this was not something exceptional. On the contrary, in the same Czech Republic on the tops of the rocks there are very many castles. In addition to the same Cesky Krumlov castle, there is also Cesky Sternberk Castle, which is also a very powerful fortress located in the very center of the Czech Republic, near the Sazava River at the top of the cliff. The castle is again stretched along the ridge of this rock, so that nature itself has taken care to make it practically impregnable, and, as nature has forgotten, people have fixed their mind and patience.



Castle Cesky Sternberk.

There is one more circumstance that distinguishes this castle among others. They live in it. And not anyone, but modern and prosperous descendants of the ancient Sternberg family. And therein lies its uniqueness. There are not so many ancient castles left in the world, within the walls of which the same genus lives, beginning with its founder, Zdeslav Divishovac. And for the Sternberkov family, this is both the home and the source of their existence. The castle arranged paid excursions, and the premises are rented for weddings and scientific conferences!


Castle Cesky Sternberk. On the river you can swim in a canoe ...

Interestingly, Cesky-Sternberk was built in 1241 year, that is, in the year of the defeat of the Polish-German army in the battle with the Mongols at Legnica. Then he was erected on this very spot by order of Zdeslav Divishovts, and his name was “The Pearl of Posazava”. After that, representatives of the Divishovtsev family, following the example of many Czech aristocrats, decided to change their surname to German style. Their coat of arms was a blue shield depicting a hill surmounted by a gold star, which gave them grounds to be called Sternberks, because the star means “Stern” in German, and the hill means “berg”. The emblem of the emblem was appropriate: "We will never go out!". So it is not surprising that this is one of the most ancient clans of the Czech Republic, as well as their castle itself, numbering seven and a half centuries! Initially, the castle was built in the Gothic style, near the town of Benes. Moreover, when there is a flood or heavy rains, the water in the river rises so high that it approaches the very foundation of the castle, which only adds to its inaccessibility.


South Bastion

However, there are no absolutely impregnable castles and fortresses, which, by the way, was proved by the example of this same castle of the Hussite wars. At that time, Pan Zdenek Konopishtsky of Sternber, who owned them, was an opponent of King George of Podebrady and openly opposed him. For this, his castle was besieged by royal troops and looted in 1467. After that, in the 1480 year, in order to prevent such a disaster from recurring in the future, its new owners built a new high tower at the entrance to it. This strengthened the castle from the military side, but could not prevent its deterioration. He had to be repaired, and as the architectural fashion changed, like any other, then Baroque features appeared in the castle from 1693, and in 1886, the architect from Vienna K. Kaiser added elements of romanticism to him.


Sternberk Castle by Karl Wolf 1817


Family emblem.

First of all, around the castle in 1907, in just a couple of years, a beautiful park was established. And although during the Second World War, he still suffered a little, he was quickly restored and opened to the public in 1947. All the years while the Czech Republic was Czechoslovakia, the castle belonged to the state. But in 1992, he was returned to representatives of the Sternberk family. This is quite a rare case when the Czech government returned the property to its former rightful owner. The fact is that when, after the “velvet revolution” of the 1990s in the Czech Republic, a law on denationalization was adopted, a clause was inserted into it that it was possible, yes, but ... only if the former owners of this property did not cooperate with German -fascist occupiers. An important clarification, right? Because there were many. Especially among wealthy people. But now Prince Sternberg did not accept the offer of cooperation with the Germans. Moreover, in many sources it is reported that he “lowered the Gestapo officer who came to his castle from the stairs,” and he armed his servants and went with them to the mountains, where the partisan warfare had been partisan. Most interesting is that when the Czech Republic was liberated by the Soviet troops, the prince was imprisoned - well, the prince, a socially alien element, “peace to the huts — war to the palaces!”


Bastions and castle buildings are impressive!


View from the castle to the river.

As for the castle fortifications, in its southern part the bastion of Gladomorna, dating back to the late Gothic epoch, is preserved. In the XIV century, Peter Szolnberk began to build it, but he didn’t manage to finish it, so Jan Sternberk, his son, finished building it. After the castle was nevertheless taken in 1467, it was decided to fortify the southern part with additional structures. Put the tower, inside which is a spiral staircase. In the wall, however, many holes are made through which fire can be fired. So to approach her was not easy. A horseshoe-shaped shaft was poured around the bastion, but it was not very well preserved from time to time. But all this can be seen outside. But what is hidden inside the castle walls? Oh, there is also very, very interesting!


Interior of the “Knight's Hall”


Fireplaces and portraits of the Knight's Hall

To visit openly as many as fifteen absolutely luxurious rooms and rooms. First of all, tourists get into a large "Knight's Hall" (the most spacious in the castle), where huge portraits of representatives of the family, dressed in armor of the era of Thirty Years War, hang on the walls, each of which has its coat of arms. The hall is decorated with fireplaces and huge, weighing in 300 kg, Bohemian glass chandeliers. Then the route goes to the chapel of St. Sebastian and the Yellow Salon, decorated with frescoes of the Baroque era and you can even sit down on furniture from the times of Louis XIV. Then there is the Ladies' Salon and a large library in which several thousand sometimes quite unique books are kept, and the walls are decorated with works of the Czech painter Peter Jan Bradl. This is followed by a tour of the Dining Room, where there is a collection of family portraits of the Sternberk family, as well as family-owned silver utensils (remember how in every Dickens novel, servants polish the family silver ?!).


Cabinet with family tree from modernity to the past.


Hunting salon.


Hunting trophies.

Next comes the Oriental-style lobby and breakfast room, which features a collection of silver figurines. The family tree of the Sternberk family is located in the office of Jiri Sternberk. On it on 63 portrait images, six generations of the Sternberk family can be traced. Sociologists believe that the century is the life of three generations. So there are portraits of people two hundred years ago, but since the life expectancy was earlier than today (even among the nobility!), This time in the 2,5 century, no less! The following four halls are decorated in various styles - from rococo to baroque. The next room will not leave indifferent men, because there are placed trophies, obtained during the hunt Sternberkov. The tour of the castle ends on the main staircase, where the battle canvas of Philip Sternberk hangs, that is, the people in the family had various talents.


Chapel.

There are plenty of collections available for inspection, of course, because this is an excursion, but a collection of 545 (!) Copper engravings devoted to the events of the Thirty Years War is presented by Jiri Sternberk. There is a unique Gothic stone statuette - a relic of the genus, dating from the XIV century in the chapel. In general, the castle is just full of all kinds of old weapons, baroque furniture, stained glass windows, old watches and paintings by Italian and Dutch masters of the XVII - XVIII centuries. Very effective natural leather wallpaper, very similar to the wallpaper in the castle Hluboka. There is a valuable collection of pipes, although Philip Sternberk, who collected them, did not smoke himself!

Family Castle: Český Šternberk

"Eastern Cabinet"


Ladies' salon.


Internal "cold corridor"

It is clear that every self-respecting castle must have either its own cast or its own legend. As for the ghosts in the castle, something did not come together, apparently, none of its owners had strangled their wives and did not bury the walls, but on the other hand, Sternberk Castle has a soul-stirring legend. According to her, one of the graphs, having successfully sold one of his castles, received a fortune for him - one hundred thousand thalers in gold. And so he took part of the gold with him on a journey, and decided to leave part of it in the castle, guarded by a faithful servant, Gineck, appointed manager. Loyalty, of course, the quality is good, but so poor Poor Guinek was worried about the safety of princely gold (by the way, who wouldn't?) That he had lost peace and sleep, and he couldn’t think of anything better than to hide gold in the mountains. And he hid it “with one cold, dark little night!” And then, soon after, he took it, and he fell off his horse and was very badly killed. So much so that he could not speak. Such a God prepared him for an accident on the road. They brought him to the castle, began to read the waste, and he still tried to show the clerk with gestures (there were no more literate people), where he hid the treasure, but only the clerk understood it that way.


Library


Library (continued)


The so-called "Zloty Salon" impresses with its ceilings!


Salon furniture.


And this is a heater. That is, the fire chamber itself was “somewhere out there,” and only hot air was fed into this device.

The prince returned - and there is no money! Oh, he grieved, grieved, servants and interrogated, and threatened them, to all uselessly. And the clerk was honest. He came to the prince and confessed that it was because of his foolishness that he did not understand what the dying Hynek wanted from him. But the prince of the clerk did not punish, and began to look for treasure, the benefit of the people he had enough. They even dug up the surrounding fields, so that it was impossible to sow them - only pits were around, but no treasure was found. And it is quite possible that the medieval gold of Sternberg somewhere in the vicinity of Cesky Sternberk is still, sooner or later someone will find it!


Large dining room


All sorts of weapons in the castle a lot.

Well, if you go to Šternberk - by the way, it’s very difficult to get there, although it is located just a few kilometers from 50 from Prague. There are few direct buses and they are traveling “with all the stops”, so it takes more than two hours to do so, and this is when every minute you have there. It is necessary to go by train with a transfer - that is, all this is still that headache. Therefore, it is best to have an international car license, rent a car and drive a navigator, then it's just 40 minutes. Although it is the most expensive. Again, in the castle, you need to get a group of at least 10 people. Less - but I do not want to wait, all those present add up for the missing. However, even if the tour is conducted in different languages ​​(there is also in Russian, recorded on a tape recorder), its price is quite small and ranges from 4 to 7 euro. That's just really too short - just one hour! But ... the fact that in this castle you can see redeems all these dislocations and expenses.
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 10 November 2017 07: 10 New
    +5
    Battle of Legnica 1241, medieval engraving

    The "Mongolian" army on the left, with beards and faces of Slavic appearance under banners with faces is also clearly of Slavic appearance what I think that people who lived in time are much closer than we to the "Tatar-Mongol yoke" knew better what the "Mongols" looked like. repeat
    Hi "yoke" wink hi
    And for the article plus - interesting good yes hi
  2. kalibr
    10 November 2017 07: 20 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    The “Mongolian” army on the left, with beards and faces of Slavic appearance under banners with faces, is also clearly of Slavic appearance. I think that people who lived in time much closer than we to the “Tatar-Mongol yoke” knew better what the “Mongols” look like "

    A typical layman mistake! I will bring you much more medieval miniatures, where people are depicted in clothes not of their time, armed with fantastic weapons and have an appearance that does not correspond to their nationality. So the criterion "closer in time" does not work. You did not make any discovery. There are many serious studies of medieval miniatures, where all this is examined in detail. But this must be studied, "without cavalry attacks." When you understand this and engage not in “discoveries”, but in a serious study of the source base ... Then it will make sense to me to discuss at least something with you.
    Sorry, but you can’t even imagine the level of banality of what you just brought. It should have been written, not only that it was a “medieval miniature” (this is already evident!), But ... from what manuscript it was taken from, the year it was written, and the place of storage. That's when you will be at this level, then perhaps we will have something to talk about. So far, on my part, it’s a waste of time. Sorry again.
    1. venaya
      venaya 10 November 2017 12: 01 New
      +3
      .. built Cesky Sternberk in 1241, that is, in the year of defeat Polish-German army in the battle with the Mongols at Legnica

      What is this, a disease about the never-proven "Mongols" who were still ash in the 1th century. Maybe you will someday recognize the enormous difference between two completely unidentified concepts like “Mongols”, born of God under this name only in the 1th century and having haplogroups “C ..” and the ancient concept of “moguls” having haplogroup "R93a2700 "under the haplotype" Z "they founded both the Mughal Empire (you see, the additional letter" n "is not observed), and it looks like, earlier than XNUMX years ago, the Persian Empire. Is there really no noticeable difference? By the way, specify in which year some “Germans” appear, and where the hell did they come from in the lands of Russians, that is, where did they come from. Here, too, another mystery.
      Quote: kalibr
      There are many serious studies of medieval miniatures, where all this is examined in detail. But this must be studied, "without cavalry attacks." When you understand this and engage not in “discoveries”, but in a serious study of the source base ... Then it will make sense to me to discuss at least something with you. ..when You will be at this levelthen maybe we will have something to talk about

      Indeed, and when you yourself will be able to raise your own level of attentiveness with such clearly important issues. Or are they not important to you at all? It seems to you that you don’t give a damn about the past of a truly alien country and alien peoples inhabiting it. I’m afraid that the reason is different and has a different, fundamental character, but I don’t even want to talk about it, it’s not very safe.
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 10 November 2017 19: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      I will bring you much more medieval miniatures, where people are depicted in clothes not of their time, armed with fantastic weapons and have an appearance that does not correspond to their nationality.

      And understand or sensibly explain why suddenly people in the Middle Ages began to write the wrong pictures unbearable? It turns out that this miniature does not roll for proof, because it’s wrong?
      Quote: kalibr
      So the criterion "closer in time" does not work.

      Well, then artists did not know that their views on events would be wrong request laughing
      Quote: kalibr
      There are many serious studies of medieval miniatures, where all this is examined in detail.

      I would not be surprised if these studies were carried out by professional historians. And, naturally, in the context of their views on history ...
      Quote: kalibr
      It should have been written, not only that it was a "medieval miniature" (this is already evident!), But ... from what manuscript it was taken from, the year it was written, and the place of storage. That's when you will be at this level, then perhaps we will have something to talk about.

      This, Vyacheslav Olegovich, is already typical tales of an official historian. I wonder WHY so the “Mongols” are depicted in the given thumbnail, and you begin to tell me that this is a wrong miniature, then the artists wrote a lie that it was not known where it came from, etc.
      The trouble with all official historians is that they, with a simple question, begin to load with unnecessary information, instead of a simple and direct answer
      Quote: kalibr
      So far, on my part, it’s a waste of time.

      Yes, I didn’t ask for your time to take away. Just once again convinced of his guesses about historians and history request
      The bottom line:
      These discussions will not lead to anything, for you will remain with the correctness of a professional historian with your views, and I will remain with my simple questions about conflicting things in history, and with my opinion, because you did not convince me a bit of the correctness of the official point neither approaches with evidence nor logic of explanation request To each his own...
      Quote: kalibr
      Sorry again.

      And you will excuse me - I will not take your time anymore hi
      PS
      Quote: kalibr
      Common layman mistake


      Where are we and medieval artists to modern professionals what ....
      With all respect, Andrew
      1. kalibr
        11 November 2017 12: 36 New
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        Dear Andrey! You wrote: These discussions will not lead to anything, for you will remain with the correctness of a professional historian with your views, and I will remain with my simple questions about conflicting things in history, and with my opinion, for you have not convinced me a bit of the correctness precisely the official point of view, neither approaches with evidence, nor the logic of explanations of request. To each his own ..
        I can briefly answer this: you need to learn. That is, read what is written on the topic of interest to you. And I found an interesting book for you. There are on the web and you can scroll.
  3. soldier
    soldier 10 November 2017 07: 40 New
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    As always interesting and beautiful
    hi
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 November 2017 08: 02 New
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      Quote: soldier
      As always interesting and beautiful

      Join.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 10 November 2017 07: 51 New
    +7
    After that, representatives of the Divisovce clan, following the example of many Czech aristocrats, decided to change their surname to the German manner.
    ... Czech princes became Germans ... Southeast Russian princes Poles .. If the former wrote the name in the German manner, the latter adopted Catholicism ..
  5. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 10 November 2017 09: 08 New
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    Nice family castle
    Historically interesting
    And cozy
    It's nice in the morning to admire and dream))
  6. Curious
    Curious 10 November 2017 10: 49 New
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    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I will allow myself a few additions.
    The history of the Sternberg clan has many interesting, sometimes dramatic moments. For example. "...Pan Zdenek Konopisti from Sternberk, who owned it, was an opponent of King Jiří from Podebrad and openly opposed him. For this, his castle was besieged by the royal troops and was sacked in 1467. ".
    It would seem that surprising. King Jiri, who was not a Catholic, but belonged to the Hussites, attacked the castle of the Catholic Zdenek Konopistti from Sternberg. However, they were relatives! The wife of King Jiri was a representative of the Golitsky Sternberg family - Kungut.
    Or such. "... The most interesting thing is that when the Soviet troops liberated the Czech Republic, the prince was imprisoned - well, the prince is a socially alien element," peace to the huts is war on the palaces! ", But the locals asked him to free him and secured the release of his own exploiter.".
    The authorities not only met the "requests of the workers", but also took care of the employment of Count Jiri Douglas, so that he would not live on unearned income, so to speak. Count - the only representative of the Czech aristocracy! - It was allowed to work as a castellan (state manager) in his own castle Cesky Sternberk.
    1. kalibr
      10 November 2017 11: 55 New
      +9
      Good afternoon, dear Victor Nikolaevich! Your additions are always welcome, and serve as a good addition to the topic. Thank you!
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 10 November 2017 12: 00 New
      +9
      I wonder if these Shtenberki are connected with the baronial clan of the Ungern-Shtenbergs, yes, of the very “reincarnation of Genghis Khan”. Perhaps the ancestor in antiquity would have been one, then the branch was divided?
      Here is what Wikipedia says about the Ungerns: “It comes from Hans Ungern (Ungern - German for Hungarian), who was the vassal of the Riga Archbishop in 1269; according to other sources - from Johann Sternberg, who moved from Hungary to Livonia in 1211. "
      1. 32363
        32363 10 November 2017 12: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Mikado

        this is what Wikipedia says about Ungerns: "It comes from Hans Ungern (Ungern - translated from German -" Hungarian "),

        Ungern, translated from German reluctantlyHungarian will be ungarn
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 November 2017 12: 23 New
          +7
          Oh, I don’t speak languages! But thanks for the addition. yes You can check my quote from where I got it, it says so drinks
      2. Curious
        Curious 10 November 2017 14: 55 New
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        "... I wonder if these Shtenberki are connected with the baronial family of Ungern-Shtenberg ..."
        Not at all connected.
        In the 1544th century, the Sternberk clan was divided into three branches - the Moravian (extinct by 1712), Golitsky (extinct by XNUMX) and Konopisti (survived to this day).
        In literature, they often mistakenly (and perhaps intentionally) associate with the count name of Roman Mikulas Ungern-Sternberg, a free nobleman from Pirkel (1885-1921), who came from a German Baltic family that naturalized in Russia.
        Along with the Czech family of the Sternbergs, there was the so-called Silesian line Sternberg-Rudelsdorf, which in 1698 was elevated to the rank of free masters, and in 1719 waited for the count rank. Their kinship with Czech counts, however, is in great doubt.
        The Sternbergs in 1840 got the title of counts and the Kuhmeister von Sternberg family. This originally Frankish clan, together with the order of German knights, moved to Prussia. Gradually, the family broke up with the “plebeian” name of Kuhmeister and used only the aristocratic predicate “Sternberg”.
        The native of Vienna, American director Josef von Sternberg (1894-1969), the famous “discoverer” of talent Marlene Dietrich, has nothing to do with the family of Czech counts Sternberg.
        (http://czpanorama.ru/content/view/197/38/)
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 November 2017 15: 07 New
          +8
          well, in detail and clearly! I did not expect anything else love Thank you! drinks
          1. Curious
            Curious 10 November 2017 15: 19 New
            +6
            On the occasion, I congratulated you under the relevant article.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 10 November 2017 15: 21 New
              +7
              I appreciate you, Victor Nikolaevich! thanks again! drinks
  7. kalibr
    10 November 2017 12: 18 New
    +7
    Quote: venaya
    It seems to you that you don’t give a damn about the past of a truly alien country and alien peoples inhabiting it. I’m afraid that the reason is different and has a different, fundamental character, but I don’t even want to talk about it, it’s not very safe.

    Correctly! Absolutely! Saliva! So - pah and that was enough for everything. And yes - very unsafe! Have you seen a bronze reptiloid? So this is a hint. What is it to him, but what would a righteous truth-seeker be sitting on a pyramid?
    1. venaya
      venaya 10 November 2017 13: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      Have you seen a bronze reptiloid? So this is a hint.

      What about without hints, but directly, that is: When will you finally stop fooling people with unverified information? Without all yourreptiloid" and etc.: "The more monstrous the lodges, the easier and more people will believe in it!"- I think that the authorship of this expression no longer needs to be explained.
      And yet, what about the J. Goebels Prize?
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 10 November 2017 13: 38 New
        +5
        Without any of your reptilians

        why without Your? Dmitry, for example, our common reptiloid, just not bronze drinks
      2. kalibr
        10 November 2017 13: 49 New
        +4
        Goebbels is a threesome in propaganda, if there are many much more worthy people from whom he simply borrowed everything. For example, Arthur Poynsonby ... You can not establish a prize named after the trio and the loser.
        1. venaya
          venaya 10 November 2017 14: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          Goebbels is a threesome in propaganda, if there are many more worthy people ... You can’t establish accept named after the trie and loser

          Thank you for clarification, as I understand it, the example of this troechnik does not inspire you, for you there are even more "worthy" representatives of this journalism field! Well, let's see firsthand whether you will be able to surpass the already recognized luminaries of this direction in your specialty.
          1. kalibr
            10 November 2017 17: 14 New
            +3
            Pulitzer and Hurst I can not surpass with all desire.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 11 November 2017 00: 57 New
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          Vyacheslav Olegovich, let's be honest! Ponsobi to quote relevant and tolerant, refer to Goebbels - Moveton, in this segment of history. Although it was he who became a classic of what you teach.
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 November 2017 22: 25 New
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        And what do you have against Goebels? Man was devoted to the idea to the limit. A man sacrificed himself and his children for an idea! The only figure from the top of the third Reich, which went to the end.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 November 2017 23: 37 New
          +2
          The only figure from the top of the third Reich, which went to the end.

          Dönitz and Keitel went to the very end, and they gave up. To Keitel we owe the expression: "How, and what, they us also won? "(bulging eyes, pointing a finger at the surrender representative of France) belay drinks and if you take it from the point of view of Nazism, then yes, Goebbels. Recognizable was a wife, a bunch of children - nowhere to run, they would have caught. request But Himmler and Bormann tried to run away, and then they found out the first, and the second died when trying to break through, and rightly so both! soldier
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 November 2017 00: 45 New
            +1
            Goebbels did not give up; he preferred death to shame. One can not respect a person, but one cannot but respect an act. And again, you can spit on a person, but the legacy left by him is still used "for peaceful purposes" to 100%. The great was a PR man.
  8. OAV09081974
    OAV09081974 10 November 2017 13: 42 New
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    Very interesting series of articles
    I read with pleasure
    I hope there will be a continuation of the castles of other European countries.
    every self-respecting castle must have either its ghost or its own legend.

    This is especially interesting.
    As well as the combat history of the castles (of course they had).
    Thanks again hi
    1. kalibr
      10 November 2017 13: 47 New
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      As for the continuation ... It will, of course. Including on the basis of their own experience. I plan to get to Europe again in the summer, but this time the route is Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia and drive along the Adriatic coast. What locks I will meet - mine!
      1. OAV09081974
        OAV09081974 10 November 2017 14: 18 New
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        Super!
        I wish to collect interesting materials drinks
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 November 2017 22: 02 New
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          I will join! drinks
          1. kalibr
            11 November 2017 12: 24 New
            +1
            There are interesting places along the route. One of the largest castles in Eastern Europe, castles on the islands ... Eger ... This is the one about which the movie "Eger Stars" was shot, in a word there is where to look.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 12 November 2017 18: 06 New
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              This is the one about which the movie "Eger Stars" was shot

              the film watched as a mighty bunch of Hungarians forced the Turkish hordes to retreat. It is interesting that it is shown how the Hungarians almost without exception all were armed with muskets, and this is in the year 1552! It is interesting that Wikipedia writes about 40 thousand besiegers, and 200 thousand are written in the credits of the film fellow It will be interesting to see your tour! hi
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 November 2017 22: 46 New
        +2
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, get to the Islands already, at the same time, you will report to the Intelligence Service and fill in the tax. And it will be easier for me in January with the accounting department of Mossad.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 10 November 2017 23: 32 New
          +2
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, get to the Islands already, at the same time, you will report to the Intelligence Service and fill in the tax. And it will be easier for me in January with the accounting department of Mossad.

          Now the "patriots" will rinse two. good And that’s all - “Caliber now, Caliber sho” ... you’ll go by steam engine, Anton laughing it becomes interesting already! drinks
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 11 November 2017 01: 23 New
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            Yes, and I do not care for patriots! I’ll put a monument on Mars! Like a patriot, but a "nonsense." So I see: me and Mark Watney, on the pedestal there is an inscription: "To see Mars and die! He wanted, but could not. He could, but did not want to."
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 11 November 2017 11: 48 New
              +2
              I’ll put a monument on Mars!

              "The first patriot of Mars" laughing good
        2. kalibr
          11 November 2017 12: 22 New
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          I don’t have a meeting with MI-6 agent in the Croatian resort of Tsverkanitsa. I work for the British, and not for the Americans. recently reviewed the English film 1957 of the year "Our Man in Havana", about G. Green - right now everything is exactly the same! Even mobile phones did not supplant encryption from the book ...
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 10 November 2017 15: 37 New
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    Interesting and beautiful
    We look forward to continuing good
  10. Antares
    Antares 10 November 2017 23: 23 New
    +1
    many still remember a drawing from a textbook on the history of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade of a Soviet high school, where the knight’s castle was depicted standing on a high cliff with steep slopes.


    History of the Middle Ages, Grade 6, Agibalova E.V., Donskoy G.M., Svanidze A.A.
    and this

    Ekaterina Vasilievna Agibalova
    Grigory Markovich Donskoy 1981
    here Medieval Carcassonne
    from the interesting castles of the time of the Hussites remembered

    Hochosterwitz Castle in Carinthia. The approaches to the castle were the most dangerous place, so they tried to strengthen them. In total, Hochostrevitz had 14 gates and three moats.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 10 November 2017 23: 29 New
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      I had such a textbook .. nostalgia ..
  11. kalibr
    11 November 2017 12: 29 New
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    Quote: 3x3zsave
    The great was a PR man.
    Reply Quote Complaint

    I do not agree! We are just carefully studying its legacy. Threesome he was. He was tearing everything from others, but he applied it without thinking. The ridiculous ones made mistakes ... Himmler reprimanded him for stupidity ... It’s just that people here know history not by fact and special studies, but by the work of journalists. And then they repeat it like ... Goebbels, Goebbels ... And he took everything from the book of E. Burneys "Crystallizing the public" from Arthur Poinsonby and others ... So spit on him like in a "professional".
  12. kalibr
    11 November 2017 12: 31 New
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    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Although it was he who became a classic of what you teach.

    A classic of threesomes, but not what we teach. We are just saying - you don’t need to do that.
  13. kalibr
    11 November 2017 13: 12 New
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    Quote: Rurikovich
    And understand or sensibly explain why suddenly people in the Middle Ages began to write the wrong pictures unbearable?

    I can write an article about this. In a nutshell I can’t explain. It's like a first grader explain about ICE.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 11 November 2017 21: 09 New
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      As I understand it, this will be the vision of a modern historian on why artists of the Middle Ages painted paintings that are different from modern views? what
      With pleasure and interest I will read fellow We have democracy and any opinion has the right to life hi
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 11 November 2017 21: 32 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      In a nutshell I can’t explain.

      Everything complicated is easy to understand. winkThis is an axiom of mathematics. It is applicable to life situations when you need to explain something, even to “near-minded” non-professionals (like me) wink Well, if you can’t explain simple things on your fingers, then how do you explain what others see as far from common sense? what

      Quote: kalibr
      It's like a first grader explain about ICE.

      Unsuccessful comparison no ... Pulls, Vyacheslav Olegovich, to insult yes I'm not 7 years old wink
      1. kalibr
        11 November 2017 22: 55 New
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        I did not want to offend you, believe me. Just an example seemed ... exhaustive. So sorry. It's just ... really complicated. It is necessary to know not only the history and technique of European miniature, but also much more. And all this has long been considered and proven. Sorry, but your questions are from ignorance. And you spit on common sense. People do not live on it and have never lived. And on the axioms of mathematics, too. I found a book for you. If you have problems with English - I’ll do the material, but later. The topic is really interesting. And do not be offended. There are so many excuses ... blessed that involuntarily sometimes ... well, I see.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 11 November 2017 23: 44 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          Sorry, but your questions are from ignorance.

          Well - I don’t have access to the archives
          Quote: kalibr
          And you spit on common sense.

          Then you have to believe in a flat Earth .... request

          Quote: kalibr
          People do not live on it and never lived

          what If you do not believe in common sense, then you will have to not believe you, on alternative wink
          Quote: kalibr
          And on the axioms of mathematics, too.

          I have a friend, a fan of mathematics, a teacher, raised numerous prize-winners of international competitions and olympiads in mathematics. Do not trust him too?
          Quote: kalibr
          I found a book for you. If you have problems with English - I will do the material, but later

          I will be grateful for this hi
          Quote: kalibr
          There are so many excuses ... blessed that involuntarily sometimes ... well, I see.

          I AM ON MY OWN! I just wonder WHY some event in the descriptions or interpretations is a mockery of common sense, WHY many descriptions in ancient texts contradict modern data on nature, geography, WHY with our achievements in science and technology we can not repeat the achievements of the ancestors whom we consider much lower than us, but they tell us that they were like that and everything here is backward and at the same time cool ... a paradox! fool
          I have such questions a carriage and a small cart. And in order to get answers to them, one has to turn not only to official sources, but also to many others. In the end, I only want to get simple answers that will not diverge from simple logical views on ordinary things, on simple questions that arise by themselves, looking at the usual mockery of common sense ...
          Just!! request Just such questions arise in history. And why I became interested in them - I will tell you, in secret, because I didn’t tell anyone or raise this topic. Back in Soviet times, I was interested in the history of the fleet and I wrote out a number of magazines. One of them was "Marine Collection". It printed a practical daily report on the progress of hostilities in all Fleets during the Second World War with all battles, operations, losses and victories ... So after simple arithmetic operations, the enemy’s losses were many times more real, the benefit of checking the possibility appeared with the onset of “glasnost” and declassification archives. and the question has already arisen - if almost in modern times such kind of hoaxes of official history arise, then does such a thing happen in history at all? And the gorgeous Pandora's box opens - with the advent of a mass of literature, a mass of interpretations of the same event also appeared. Who to believe? You have to believe only your brains request based on his own life experience and intuition.
          Therefore, Gumilyov’s “passionarity” and the desert “fertile” hills of the promised land demand an answer. and the finding of the Kulikov’s field, and the tales of ancient Greece, and the overwhelming “tithe” of the “Mongol-Tatar yoke,” and the discrepancies regarding the reign of Peter I, and Napoleon’s strange campaign to Moscow ....
          I am on my own hi Sorry for the kind of "cry of the soul" ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 November 2017 18: 51 New
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            Your anxieties are common to conspiracy theorists. Suspicion: "scientists fool us simple
            people "has been common at all times.
            Suspicious people were shown pictures of abstractionists, hinting that there
            There is some code encrypted in hidden drawings. And they always found him!
            1. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich 12 November 2017 18: 54 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              Your anxieties are common to conspiracy theorists.

              Tell this concern Volkswagen, which confirmed the fooling of doubting Americans on the environment. wink
              And if today they make such a fool, it’s not a fact that this does not apply to history hi