Rosgvardia reported lack of money for the transfer of riot police to military service

The timing of the transfer to military service of OMON, SOBR and aviation divisions of the Russian Guard may be moved due to lack of funding, said on Tuesday the first deputy director of the department, Colonel-General Sergei Melikov.

The transfer to military service will allow employees to receive military benefits, such as military mortgages, and retain their current ranks in the event of a military conflict (in wartime, when recruiting, police and other special ranks are not taken into account).

Perhaps with the global events that will be held in 2018, the dates for the transfer of riot police, SWAT and aviation units will be postponed to the second half of 2018-2019. But this is only due to the fact that we do not see financing for these tasks.

- Melikov said at a meeting in the Federation Council.

According to the plans approved by the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the transfer of these units to military service must be completed before the end of 2018, the general said. In the near future, Melikov noted, a meeting should be held on this issue.

Our position is firm: we must transfer these people to military service, thereby raising their social status

- emphasized Melikov, transfers RIA News

Comments

[Sergey53]

They want to save everywhere.

[LiSiCyn]

And you have to save because ....

[Uryukc]

Quote: LiSiCyn

And you have to save because ....

Yeltsin center is not enough?

[79807420129]

Quote: Uryukc

Yeltsin center is not enough?

[maxim947]

we must transfer these people to military service, thereby raising their social status[i] [/ i] Generally, never an argument! I respect OMON, but haven’t you tried to raise social status in the usual way?
There is a special police detachment, but no police detachment)) How interesting is this unit to be called when it appears in the Armed Forces - OVSON? Doesn't sound.)

[antikilller55]

If you do not know, then OMON has long been not a police detachment, but a mobile special purpose detachment. And he is not in the structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but the VNG of the Russian Federation.

[maxim947]

Riot police have long been not a police detachment, but a mobile detachment[/ I]
Thank you, I didn’t.
And he is not in the structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but VNG of the Russian Federation.[I] - so this is the point that they want to transfer to the armed forces.

[vorobey]

Quote: maxim947

Riot police have long been not a police detachment, but a mobile detachment[/ I]
Thank you, I didn’t.
And he is not in the structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but VNG of the Russian Federation.[I] - so this is the point that they want to transfer to the armed forces.

I’m telling ... they want to equalize their rights .. just ...

[Siberian]

Quote: maxim947

And he is not in the structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but the VNG of the Russian Federation. [I] - this is what we want to transfer to the Armed Forces.

Nobody transfers OMON to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, just at this stage in the VNG there is a category of military personnel (former VV Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation) and police officers, that's what they (employees) want to make military personnel, in the Ministry of Emergencies, by the way, there are also military personnel (former civil defense officers) and internal service staff

[Glory1974]

From the moment it was renamed to the police, it’s called the “Mobile Special Forces Unit”

but didn’t you try to raise your social status in the usual way?

What is this ordinary way?

[maxim947]

Increase cash allowance, review legislation regarding benefits, etc.

[Oden280]

In OMON and SOBR, social status in terms of benefits, salaries, etc. much higher than in the troops.

[Glory1974]

In OMON and SOBR, social status in terms of benefits, salaries, etc. much higher than in the troops.

So you want to say what they are doing worse now?

[maxim947]

I wanted to ask something similar))

[Oden280]

In fact - yes. Plus troubles with dismissal and transfer to the police.

[hohkn]

Quote: Oden280

In OMON and SOBR, social status in terms of benefits, salaries, etc. much higher than in the troops.

Where is the droushka?
With a rather big position, I have a salary of 17500. The platoon commander in the army (Starleys) has a salary of 20000. So where is the higher?

[Oden280]

Starley in SOBR, with a length of service of 2-3 years, receives approximately 60-70 thousand (at least in our region), most of which are various allowances, after the status change they will be cut. And your salary corresponds approximately to the ensign in the OMON., In the position of deputy commander of the platoon.

[Glory1974]

Increase cash allowance, review legislation regarding benefits, etc.

But isn't that what they are doing now? Increase cash allowance, add benefits to military personnel, etc.?

[hohkn]

Quote: maxim947

There is a special police detachment, but no police

It is now called the Mobile Special Forces. We took into account the wishes of riot police to preserve the abbreviation.

[LiSiCyn]

I think at the World Cup .. In Kaliningrad, I know that an additional 200 were asked.

[Oden280]

They lie like gray geldings. If they start the transfer by OMON and SOBR officers to military personnel in accordance with the existing legislation, then all the people will run away and there will be no one to block the elections. In addition, there is a very tense situation in the relationship between these units and the warriors., Who, instead of combat training, are trying to impose window dressing and honor.

[hohkn]

Quote: Oden280

a very tense situation in the relationship between these units and the warriors. who, instead of combat training, are trying to impose window dressing and honor

Here - to the very point.

Quote: Oden280

then all the people will run away and there will be no one to block the elections

Still easier. Only up to 50 years can call up for military service (and there will be just a draft). Now in the SOBR and OMON there are enough people who have come close to this milestone. In their place, young people under contract and graduates of military schools will be recruited. And the fact that those specifics do not know from the word "in general" is the tenth matter.

[Oden280]

The age of the overwhelming majority of OMON and SOBR officers is between 30 and 40. Older are very rare and as a rule in staff or rear posts. It is difficult for an age person to withstand such loads, plus constant business trips. And in SOBR, about 2/3 have the rank of captain major. Try to steal them.

[hohkn]

Quote: Oden280

And in SOBR, about 2/3 have the rank of captain major. Try to steal them.

Normally rulitsya. Depends on the commander and staff. We have a small turnover, so the team has developed. Who does not fit, that does not work for a long time - leaves. And more than half of the detachment are majors. The bulk of the replenishment from the riot police comes.

Quote: Oden280

The age of the vast majority of OMON and SOBR officers is between 30 and 40.

We and those over 40 are enough.

Quote: Oden280

Older is very rare and as a rule in staff or rear posts.

There are no state support units in the unit. So people carry out rear, personnel and other duties as an elective.

Quote: Oden280

It is difficult for an age person to withstand such loads, plus constant business trips.

Well, we can handle it.

[SERGE ANT]

Moreover, again at our expense with you. They want to crush us all secured for this, and when something is not enough, again we are to blame ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: SERGE ANT

... They want to crush us all provided for this ...

Somehow you are all in a bunch ...
Who is going to push you and the question is what? Do you undermine the sovereignty and security of our state?
If none of this is behind you, then why these comments?
The guys are doing their job, doing it clearly and professionally. They don’t hide behind people’s backs, the liberal howl doesn’t affect them. Looking right and left, they do not scorch (unlike their "democratic" colleagues), not a single innocent citizen of our country, before their time, went to the forefathers.
Colleague, no need to fool around. Personally, I saw these guys in action, and if any of them covers my back, then I will just be calm like a boa constrictor.

[Andrey K]

Quote: SERGE ANT

And when you don’t have enough money for medicine and Rodne’s operations, although you still work, you regularly pay taxes on the maintenance of all these parasites, and when you go out to the authorities to say this, moreover, peacefully (until), will these guys cover your back?

I did not allow you to ...
If I don’t have enough money for something, I will work and earn ...
The taxes these guys keep are paid off handsomely - you breathe calmly, now you are pouring OMON with mud, nobody is shutting your mouth, you are not putting them in jail - all that you write is slander ...
And when you come to the authorities to talk about some problems - speak essentially and without provocation and I assure you, they will hear you ...
But if a situation arises that you took in brackets:

... and peacefully (bye) ...

then I will be the first one to make sure that there is no work left for OMON and SOBR employees ...
I have the honor.

[Andrey K]

Quote: SERGE ANT

And so, I know what I'm talking about here

Very well

[St Petrov]

where are you going to tell the authorities about this, moreover, peacefully (until), will these guys cover your back? wink hi

and did you cover the back of these guys when they didn’t come out from the Caucasus for half a year from business trips?

Maybe you will train instead of riot police and other units? Well, once every half a year for a couple of months. Makhachkala, Derbent, Grozny, Urus-Martan? AND? And not a one-time trip, but rather regular and already like everyday life. Not just a war trip, but a job. There, back - like shuttles. Year after year. This year, it passed, the next fighter caught a bullet, in its place another fell.

They are warriors, but do you threaten them that you will go to a rally? Their rewards weigh more per unit than your live weight.

He threatens that while will peacefully leave. Pack you yes pissed in a wagon. And they will be right



I really don’t like clowns opening their wet mouth on riot police. Nothing personal Vasya
Guys drag the Caucasus on themselves from 2000 to this moment. The army does not deal with the Caucasus. The Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are engaged in the Caucasus, and you mock at them on the forum.

Type with irony and mockery. Well, like a betman. And at the rally you can stand with your back to them - they are officers and they won’t touch you - but they cannot stand with their backs to clowns - they didn’t kill them in the Caucasus - so in the crowd at the rally jacked something in his fight with cutting

[Andrey K]

St Petrov

... and you covered the back of these guys when they didn’t come out from the Caucasus for half a year from business trips? ..

He has an avatar of a beer lover on his avatar, but slogans - either for medicines, or for parasites, that’s it ...
Here the elections are on the nose, the Liberians have a hot time - they begin to stir up the water ...

[hohkn]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Guys drag the Caucasus on themselves from 2000 to this moment

A small correction.
Not since 2000, but since 1993. Already in 1993, went on business trips to North Ossetia.
Otherwise, everything is correct.

[Ace Tambourine]

Respect and respect for these guys .. My friend doesn’t get out of these business trips, and every time no one knows, maybe the last one ....

[Bourbon]

Quote: Andrey K

Who is going to push you and the question is what?

Riot police was going to crush - this is his essence of existence, so go out with a poster - there is no increase in prices for gasoline and utilities .... well, or against a thief-state servant .... these guys will pack you quickly and hard

[Andrey K]

Bourbon

Riot police was going to crush - this is his essence of existence, so go out with a poster - there is no increase in prices for gasoline and utilities .... well, or against a thief-state servant .... these guys will pack you quickly and hard

The essence of the existence of riot police ensuring the safety of citizens and the state ...
If we come out with a poster about thief and gasoline, having previously notified (pickets and rallies are of a notification nature), we will fine picket and express our point of view. If we do not agree on it during the organization of the rally, then most likely we will deal with policemen from the territorial department of the interior (PPS, precinct) ...
But if you and I pick up dubbing, cobblestones and more, then there is a chance of meeting with riot police

[raw174]

Quote: Burbon

come out with a poster - there is no increase in prices for gasoline and utilities .... well, or against a thief-state servant .... these guys will pack you quickly and hard

Who was innocently and excessively rudely packed? Every month, bulk or sometimes pro-Westerners rush from the posters and until they directly begin to rush and insult the police and riot police, they do not touch anyone ...

[Vasya Vassin]

By golly, you cheered me up for the whole day !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vasya Vassin]

And I ask what? On a person, on his already small salary, which he would not have brought to offshore, but spent here in our country. To build a house, to create a family, to help parents to educate children. Money would spin for our economy, it would create jobs. But you need to save, not for that the government works. Rather, not for those people.

[stolz]

For some reason, it’s not even mentioned that transfer to military service means submission to the Minister of Defense and participation, if necessary, in hostilities. Or are they going to fight with drunks and at the same time receive orders and walk in heroes?

[Siberian]

Quote: Stolz

For some reason, it’s not even mentioned that transfer to military service means submission to the Minister of Defense and participation, if necessary, in hostilities. Or are they going to fight with drunks and at the same time receive orders and walk in heroes?

read my comment above

[St Petrov]

Or are they going to fight with drunks and at the same time receive orders and walk in heroes?

you just don’t have any idea how you want to ride your face with a boot. such as you, ten nonhumans are not worth a single officer with riot police.

[Doliva63]

Do not tear your pants. What are these people on the protection of the existing system I do not care. Protecting citizens and protecting the law - is there a difference? Here they are imprisoned for the second, the first they are fucked. So we (in this sense) on different sides, albeit on the same forum, whose rules urge to be polite, bl.in.

[Des10]

Quote: Stolz

transfer to military service means submission to the Minister of Defense

absolutely not, there are military personnel in the VNG (explosives in the recent past) - and they report to the director of the military service of the NG.

[Megatron]

Since the current regime has no money for its dogs, it’s a trumpet.

[Gardamir]

There is no cool article one by one about money, but everything is fine in the commentary.

[cariperpaint]

there is a difference between no and not enough.

[Sergey53]

Why not. There is money, but you hold on.

[79807420129]

Quote: Gardamir

There is no cool article one by one about money, but everything is fine in the commentary.

Do you need srach? It's fun too.

[Gardamir]

And you need srach

You need a srach, but I need a logic. If everything is not good, then what can be done to improve it. And if everything is so good, then why invest in watering all around with slops.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

There is no cool article one by one about money, but everything is fine in the commentary.

So why cry then? Any newly created structure will be “flattened” for several years, until the whole mechanism is debugged and normally works. Normal routine. There is a big difference between “NO MONEY” and “NO FINANCE” in the sense that if "no money" this is a problem, and if "no funding" This is a budget discipline. When the budget was made up, no funds were pledged for this purpose. How old is that Rosguard? Just one year!

[Gardamir]

Just one year!

And the president is only six years old, and the country is 25 ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

Just one year!

And the president is only six years old, and the country is 25 ...

ЕПРСТ ............ damn .......... on read here ...... Federal Law No. 226 of July 03.07.2016, XNUMX, On the Troops of the National Guard of Russia.

[Gardamir]

"On the troops of the national guard of Russia"

National Guard or Rosguard? but seriously, the VV was reformed into Natsik and Che, we and the police have several years.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

National Guard or Rosguard?

We say “Party” we mean “Lenin”, we say “Lenin” we mean “Party”. Why turn on the troll? Not seriously comrade Gerenal major)))

[creak]

And what prevented you from first deciding what it would cost the whole thing with the National Guard - or actions are again ahead of thought .... What or who will save on - whoever hears this time “no money, but you hold on”?
Since there will be money for riot police, they will receive the status of military personnel, and do not go to a fortuneteller.

[Sergey53]

They consider everything. Everything is there, they only invest them in US securities. Recently announced that more than 10 billion postponed.

[antikilller55]

Those who let the military into the police units, they grab such barks there, grab your head, they dragged your army stupidity into the police.

[LAWNER]

Salaries in the National Guard are not bad, but I also want apartments at the expense of the budget. And any general thinks about aviation, although we have not been able to launch Sanitation for many years. One helicopter for each region is a problem, and the respected general wants to launch an air wing. Caucasus, Dalniy East- it’s understandable wherever there are no turntables. But does it require military benefits ???? Then let it go under the wing of Moscow Region ..

[stolz]

Quote: antikilller55

Those who let the military into the police units, they grab such barks there, grab your head, they dragged your army stupidity into the police.

That's it, cutlets separately and flies separately from each other. Which self-respecting officer will go to the police without extreme need? Nobody and never! It's a shame!

[St Petrov]

Which self-respecting officer will go to the police without extreme need? Nobody and never! It's a shame!

Shame on being a clown on the forum and watering military rewards officers with shit. But to work for the state and for a peaceful sleep of citizens is respect and military labor, for which they pay with blood. And it’s not you who pay with your blood, you don’t get beyond the circus, but they pay with blood for yours (well, maybe not yours, do you even write from Russia here?) These officers’s sleep.

but the actors do not understand this. so don't even try

[Doliva63]

I always respected the police (while she was), but not for hard labor. It is not their business, their misfortune is that they close the holes. They can be proud that they closed the holes, of course, but it would be better if they had told their superiors that this was not their business. Of my familiar cops, for example, only those who came to the cops from the army went to Chechnya - this is forgivable If anything, he himself was the head of the militia department while she was. Flies with cutlets do not interfere.

[Doliva63]

I absolutely agree with you. Although after the 90s and Serdyukov many went there, there is nowhere else to go. Through the dismissal, of course. And for the most part they looked like black crows, because they didn’t bring income either, and they themselves somehow lived on wages. Like right now, I don’t know, but I think about the same.

[vandarus]

Friends of the riot police say that the transfer to the WG was marked by the beginning of a barracks idiocy in the form of enhanced drill training, guidance and additional guidance (infinitely) in the location and in the fixed territory. 35-year-old men go in line and pillows are leveling off .... First, the status was lowered by transferring to the WG, now they are looking for money to increase ..... DB! (WITH)

[hohkn]

Quote: vandarus

enhanced drill training, guidance and homing (infinitely) order in the location and on the fixed territory. 35-year-old men walk in formation and pillows smack with bounces ...

Either a friend whistles, or you.
Until senility in the form of drill or stuffing cantics have not yet reached. Well, and to the fact that everything should be parallel or perpendicular, have come. I won’t say anything here.

[vandarus]

"Whistle" as you say in all units is already standing, such that Zolotov has already twitched. Do you hear about going to the dining room with songs for the first time?

[hohkn]

Quote: vandarus

Do you hear about going to the dining room with songs for the first time?

We don’t have that. When they lowered the instruction on learning the drill song, the management explained that this instruction should be taken positively. In the sense - put on it.

[Clone]

From as soon as the “fighter” rams the pencil case with accessories into the butt of the machine, they will immediately become “military” ... Damn, well, zhurnalyugi ...
And about financing and savings ... The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation concluded a contract worth 1,7 billion rubles for the purchase of a passenger plane with PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Tu-204-300 in the Salon version (with a capacity of 55 seats) for the troops of the Russian Guard ... Will it not be bold?

[creak]

[quote = Clone] Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation concluded a contract worth 1,7 billion rubles with the United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) for the purchase of a Tu-204-300 passenger aircraft in the Salon version (with a capacity of 55 seats) for the troops of the Russian Guard . [/ Quote]
I wonder how the Ministry of Internal Affairs can order a plane for the Russian Guard without having any relation to it? ... These are two separate federal bodies - each with its own funding.

[Socialism 2.0]

Yes what for guardsmen money ?! Here at the World Cup 2018 for football, 35 billion rubles to be thrown additionally the other day they did it yes ... Also tell me that you need to raise pensions .. All the money for the World Cup 2018 (Putin's election campaign in 2018)!

[St Petrov]

Also say that you need to raise pensions.

write me the amount needed to raise a pension to pensioners in the Russian Federation by 1000 rubles. Take the calculator, the number of pensioners and multiply - and you get the amount per month

or are you living in a vacuum and you still have socialism on earth and specifically in Russia is flourishing?

Tired of populism and groans about pensions. This is a military forum. Write about the pensions of military personnel and internal troops.

[Doliva63]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Write about the pensions of military personnel and internal troops.

I would not interfere with a bunch of defenders of the motherland with the counter-clock and the riders of the demonstrations.

[vandarus]

First, the guard is the FSIN. Riot police created to fight terrorism. How their power is used is a separate issue. Tomorrow they will throw an army to suppress demonstrations (as has already happened more than once), what will you sing then?

[Doliva63]

Riot policemen, guardsmen-all policemen and gendarmes, why do they need the status of military personnel? Let them raise stupidly salaries as needed, but leave them as police officers. Only one who serves in the army can be a military man, why confuse concepts?

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

Someone was ruffling that he served in some kind of municipal police? These are just those that used to be called near-ring, city, etc., not even gendarmes. Those have always been higher in status. That's the attitude to those guys who were not afraid of service in the Caucasus corresponding! How- “army” - they didn’t have enough mind to slope!

[stolz]

Quote: Doliva63

So we (in this sense) on different sides, albeit on the same forum, whose rules urge to be polite, bl.in.

Judging by the speeches here, there is a place to be some kind of rotary counter, shell-shocked on the head with a stool, because I was rubbing solder in the ZK. We will be generous, we will not pay attention to this misunderstanding at the forum for military personnel.

[stolz]

Quote: vandarus

Friends of the riot police say that the transfer to the WG was marked by the beginning of a barracks idiocy in the form of enhanced drill training, guidance and additional guidance (infinitely) in the location and in the fixed territory. 35-year-old men walk in formation and pillows smash

And who is to blame for these men that they survived to 35 years, and how they were ordinary remained. They could choose: either in a village to drive a tractor or to walk in formation. They chose the second, so why be offended now?

[vandarus]

"Mr." Stolz, I have to draw your attention to the fact that your logic smells strongly of adolescent maximalism and an extremely weak understanding of service in the internal affairs department and life in general.
Therefore, I will not explain to you the organizational and staff structure of the riot police and why EVERYTHING there cannot be officers, just like everyone cannot be presidents, combine harvesters or "militiamen".

[stolz]

Quote: c-Petrov

Shame on being a clown on the forum and watering military rewards officers with shit.

But are departmental medals "For the difference in the protection of public order" of all degrees there already considered military awards? As for the cop officers, the issue is separate, I used to study at the military school for five years to get officer epaulets and almost all of my colleagues became officers in exactly the same way. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, at least one in a hundred officers has come this far? Civilian universities and all sorts of law schools are not considered.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

This as you wrote "departmental medal" is generally not departmental, but a state award. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs has its own schools, academies, etc., so you don’t have to lift your nose. You see the path he has passed.

[Clone]

Quote: ranger

I wonder how the Ministry of Internal Affairs can order a plane for the Russian Guard without having any relation to it? ...

All questions here ...
https://topwar.ru/125795-rosgvardiya-poluchit-sam
olet-tu-204-300.html
But in principle, we can have everything. Including, re-equipment of the aircraft in the direction of reducing the number of "passengers" almost three times. So I’m saying, isn’t it bold for those who want to join the honorary title “military”? Maybe it’s easier and cheaper to move transporters?

[Clone]

Quote: Doliva63

for the most part looked like white crows

My colleagues, who at one time fell under the next "peace initiatives" and were dismissed from military service, tried to learn new responsibilities in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... Nobody could resist. None.

[stolz]

Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.

This as you wrote "departmental medal" is generally not departmental, but a state award. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs has its own schools, academies, etc., so you don’t have to lift your nose. You see the path he has passed.

It looks like garbage has massively penetrated the forum, so not only that, they also download rights here!

[vandarus]

"It looks like garbage has massively penetrated the forum, so not only that, they also download rights here!" (WITH)
How does the "old-timer" of the forum feel bad for you? If one of the police officers strongly offended you, write a complaint, a statement, a slander, which is closer to you. Or go to the OMON fighter and say that he is garbage. And do not forget to wrap yourself with the flag under which you are on the forum.

[Oden280]

Quote: hohkn

There are no state support units in the unit. So people carry out rear, personnel and other duties as an elective.

Interesting staff. But in OMON and SOBR, all this is.

[Oden280]

Quote: hohkn

Normally rulitsya. Depends on the commander and staff. We have a small turnover, so the team has developed. Who does not fit, that does not work for a long time - leaves. And more than half of the detachment are majors. The bulk of the replenishment from the riot police comes.

Here, here And here they will remove their commanders under the pretext of their lack of military education and put in the military, and those have completely different principles and methods of leadership.

[Oden280]

Quote: hohkn

Well, we can handle it. wink

Congratulations! So you're lucky. Few injuries and injuries.

[stolz]

Quote: vandarus

"It looks like garbage has massively penetrated the forum, so not only that, they also download rights here!" (WITH)
How does the "old-timer" of the forum feel bad for you? If one of the police officers strongly offended you, write a complaint, a statement, a slander, which is closer to you. Or go to the OMON fighter and say that he is garbage. And do not forget to wrap yourself with the flag under which you are on the forum.

You see, baby, in the sixth decade I put everything in the world.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stolz

... in the sixth ten I put everything in the world

Judging by what you write in the past tense, today you are much more

[stolz]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Stolz

... in the sixth ten I put everything in the world

Judging by what you write in the past tense, today you are much more

These are words from the song of A. Rosembaum.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stolz

These are the words from the song of A. Rozembaum

You brought them without a link to the author. Therefore, these are your words.
Or did they just say - anyway blurt out? I’m here, as an example, also half past five already, but ... "didn’t" put "anything in the world" somehow ...