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How to win the "war" in Ukraine: studying the Chechen experience

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How to win the "war" in Ukraine: studying the Chechen experience



Twenty years ago, those who fanned the war in Chechnya could not even conceive that the Chechen Republic would be the pride of Russia, and the special forces of Chechnya would fight in Syria.

Today, one of the most painful places in Russia is Ukraine. As in Chechnya 20 years ago, there is a war, and now it seems to many that it will be like this forever. Ukraine: what to do with it next? What will it be? How to get out of the Ukrainian crisis with the least losses? How to find answers to all these questions? And you just need to refer to the recent experience of Russia and remember that Chechnya special forces are fighting today in Syria.

How was the "Chechen problem" solved?

The first and second Chechen wars did not pass without a trace for Russia. Tens of thousands of dead, destroyed cities and villages, hundreds of thousands of displaced persons: all this was the result of a physical confrontation. But the most terrible outcome of the war was an atmosphere of fear, mistrust and bitterness between the inhabitants of Chechnya and Russia. And it put pressure on society more than any material and human losses. How to destroy this explosive atmosphere, how to make the brain listen to the voice of the mind, not emotions?

On the one hand, the Russian government tried to completely switch the life of the republic from war to peaceful work. It cost the budget of the Russian Federation colossal funds, but still it was much cheaper than the war.

In 2017, subsidies amounted to 40,4 billion rubles, in 2016 year - 41 billion rubles. And nine years before that, from 2007 to 2015, Chechnya received from the federal budget in the form of subsidies, subventions and subsidies 539 billion much more powerful rubles, that is, an average of 60 billion rubles.

As we see, every year the subsidies from the state budget are required less and less.

Residents of Chechnya are gradually returning to peaceful life, and soon a whole generation of young people will grow up who do not know the horrors of that war. But that was only half the story. It was necessary to heal the moral wounds, to find something in common that unites the efforts of all people.

In 2012, the film “Wolf Trail in stories Of Russia. " This is a film about Chechens and Russians. Just about the fact that they are not separated, but united.



I have paid attention to the fact that the main thing weapon our common enemies, pushing us to wars with each other, is the search for division lines between nations, and therefore, our main weapon against this is the search for ways of rapprochement. And films like the Wolf Trail should be made not by the piece, but become a system supported by the state.

It is very important that representatives of the Chechen elite (for example, one of the authors of the idea of ​​the film Apti Tevsiev - Honored Coach of Russia in athletics) actively contributed to the creation of this film along with the Russians (the film’s producer, Alexander Makeev is the general director of the Airborne Forces Combat Brotherhood). . They were able to understand the essence of the problem and suggested ways to solve it, which, as events showed, was correct.

And it finally became clear to the Russian society in connection with the Crimean events, where the Russians and Chechens acted as a single and well-established mechanism of Russia. It was after the Crimea that it became clear that the Russians and the Chechens were not just not enemies, but partners and complementary comrades.

For example, the Crimean-Tatar problem in the Crimea without Chechens would be much more difficult to solve. This is the author of the lines repeatedly confirmed the Crimean law enforcement.

On the example of the Crimea and Syria, we can already see how common interests and values ​​turned out to be above the old grievances. And now we will pay attention to Ukraine.

Cases "Ukrainian"

Today we see how, according to the same “Chechen scenario”, puppeteers set off two fraternal peoples (which many residents of both countries still consider to be one). At the same time, our opponents are looking for any lines of division and misunderstanding between the residents of Ukraine and Russia and are doing everything to inflate them to the level of an unsolvable problem.

As we see, the problems of Russian-Ukrainian relations today are very similar to the problems of Russian-Chechen relations yesterday ... And it is obvious that the solution to this problem must be sought on the same plane.

That is why I was very glad the emergence of the film "Crimea", in which for the first time maydanovtsy are shown by people, many of whom simply got lost in search of a way out. In the film, it is repeatedly emphasized that there are not just a lot in common between Russians-Crimeans-Ukrainians, and that we are all the same and we have common problems that are best solved together.

The experience of solving the problem of Chechnya is extremely important and should be used. And first of all we must begin to change the information field. And not only in Ukraine. I believe that the problem of Ukraine will sooner or later be solved in the same way as the problem of Chechnya. And here everything will be easier for us, because we have so much in common.

I very much hope that sooner or later, in the Russian-Ukrainian history there will be the same true patriots of their peoples, like Alexander Makeev and Apti Tevsiev, who will promote ideas that unite us to the masses. It is very important that such ideas come from two sides at once, and thus they themselves are an excellent example to follow.

This should be the end of the civil war that has been going on here for a quarter of a century. And then the time will come to build new plans, one for all, where everyone, Russian, Ukrainian, Chechen, Kazakh, Belarusian, etc. will see their personal and common goal for all at the same time. And this will be the basis of the new ideology that can unite our aspirations. This is not enough for us today.

And this is precisely what our enemies fear most.
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  1. Horst78
    Horst78 17 October 2017 06: 54 New
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    Chechen special forces will fight in Syria
    Not special forces of Chechnya, but special forces of Russia stationed in the Russian Chechen Republic. Do not confuse definitions.
    1. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 10: 05 New
      34
      In fact, most of the fighters of the Vostok and Zapad battalions are Chechens. Don't you know that? Apparently, those who like your comment do not know this either.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 17 October 2017 11: 39 New
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        The Chechen Republic will be the pride of Russia, and the special forces of Chechnya will fight in Syria

        I still do not believe in it, laughter before and only. It’s a pity that Alexander Prokhorenko does not hear.
        And the method of rapprochement with the peoples of Ukraine is simple - it doesn’t unite 2x like hatred of 3mu.
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 21 New
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          But the Poles and Ukrainians in their hatred of the Russians, can not unite wink
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 17 October 2017 20: 02 New
            +2
            They can. But only under the leadership of the Poles, who Ukrainians do not consider themselves equal.
            1. wvg
              wvg 19 October 2017 09: 38 New
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              Do you think it is possible for Ukrainians to return to the servile rank? What is better than equal relations with Russians?
              1. Grach-25sm
                Grach-25sm 23 October 2017 19: 26 New
                +1
                Actually, Ukrainians have already returned to the servile rank without the Russians ... B_dnі, bo ugly ... By the way, I saw thousands of healthy men from twenty years old when broadcasting from “miho-maidan”, and not one said “let's go to work at the factory "! .. Only healthy foreheads stand, complain about life. Residents of the Donetsk People's Republic under shelling rebuild factories, establish production, work in workshops and mines, often under shelling of ukrovoyak.
                In order not to be unfounded. Starting April 17, 2017, the Silur steel-rolling mill in Khartsyzsk started operating. On its ropes stands the Ostankino television tower. Since July, the full production cycle has been restored. Then, on April 17, 2017, the blast furnace of the Enakievo Metallurgical Plant was blown up. Now two of the three blast furnaces are already operating, two blast furnaces of two are operating at the Donetsk Metallurgical Plant. The electric steel-smelting complex of the Yuzovsky Metallurgical Plant was restored, it works. At the Volynskoye mine administration of the Torezanthracit state enterprise, a new horizon has been opened for lava swarms, high-quality coking coal can be mined for another fifteen to twenty years. In Donetsk itself, the production of passenger buses is being mastered in collaboration with the Perm Automobile Plant. This is generally a new industry for Donbass. What did the Ukrainians do? They pissed everything they could For three years they have lost Yuzhmash, OKB Antonov and the shipyard 61 Communards. Ukrainians in their current "yellow-black" form themselves have cast down to the level of slaves. And Poland can only pick up the leftovers.
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 October 2017 22: 13 New
          +1
          so much finance was thrown into Chechnya that Ukraine, with its embezzlers, would have been enough for five years. where does Ukraine get such money from for Donbass?
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 21 October 2017 18: 24 New
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            You did not understand the article a bit.

            Ukraine is a part of Russia as well as Chechnya ...
            1. Anton Valerevich
              Anton Valerevich 23 October 2017 00: 38 New
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              Quote: Krabik
              Ukraine is a part of Russia as well as Chechnya ...

              Yeah, only affected by a Svidomo cancer.
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 17 October 2017 11: 59 New
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        Quote: yurasumy
        In fact, most of the fighters of the East and West battalions are Chechens.

        These are the Chechens, the citizens of Russia and its military personnel. Have you carefully read my comment? And by the way, where are these battalions now? As far as I remember, re-formed.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 17 October 2017 13: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Lgankhi
          But the Poles and Ukrainians in their hatred of the Russians, can not unite

          Poland provides them with instructor support and cooperates in armaments. But something Janek can’t share with Mikola in everyday life - this is a secondary thing. But they probably heard that Poland refuses to accept Muslim immigrants, because. is there a large influx of Ukrainians? So, in everyday life, not everything is as terrible as they want to imagine it.
          1. wvg
            wvg 19 October 2017 09: 44 New
            +1
            both Poland and Ukraine operate according to one scenario: the Poles of Ukrainians want to make Poles (3rd grade is not marriage!), just like the “Ukrainians” want to make Russians Ukrainians.

            "Ukrainians" because among them there are practically no Slavs ...
        2. MoJloT
          MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 29 New
          +8
          Sheer nonsense, no one took them to the Russian army, does not take it and will not take it! That's what was said about this call
          "There will be no dispatch this year, because our guys are adapting, because for almost a quarter century, Chechens have not been in the army," said Chechen military commissar Ahmed Dzeyrhanov. More on TASS
          And those bearded men on armor are rolling out, armed formations of deiuro in the RF Armed Forces, rotational de facto 0, submission to field commanders.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 17 October 2017 14: 26 New
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            Quote: MoJloT
            deuro in the Armed Forces, de facto rotation 0, submission to field commanders.

            Bullshit, that’s how the exact definition of your comment sounds. You are absolutely off topic and absolutely do not understand what you are trying to talk about.
            None of you like chatterboxes, wherever you are and doesn’t do something, but from the couch you allow yourself to insult people who perform tasks, including so that you would not be cut off at some point in time.
            1. MoJloT
              MoJloT 17 October 2017 14: 36 New
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              Is there anything essentially other than insults? On guard of Russia her army, where the Chechens are not being called up, still have questions?
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 17 October 2017 22: 36 New
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                Quote: MoJloT
                On guard of Russia her army, where the Chechens are not being called up, still have questions?

                Keep quiet, unlearned .. It’s better to watch at least the Zvezda channel, so that you learn who serves in the military police battalions in the SAR.
                1. MoJloT
                  MoJloT 18 October 2017 09: 32 New
                  +1
                  You should learn to read, the author writes
                  Chechen special forces will fight in Syria
                  , not the police, not the police, not the gas service, not the consumer service supervision, but SPECIALIZED.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 18 October 2017 19: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: MoJloT
                    not the police, not the militia, not the gas service, not the consumer service supervision, but SPECIALIZATION.

                    You have the Darwin Award.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtPuCgvxGUI
                    1. MoJloT
                      MoJloT 19 October 2017 10: 34 New
                      +1
                      Card number reset?
      3. Technologist
        Technologist 18 October 2017 06: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: yurasumy
        In fact, most of the fighters of the Vostok and Zapad battalions are Chechens. Don't you know that? Apparently, those who like your comment do not know this either.

        And what, what are the Chechens? They are citizens of Russia, and it is written as if the Chechen Republic is a separate country, so, dear, it seems we don’t know, but you are confusing it with one another.
      4. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 19 October 2017 12: 55 New
        +1
        Yuri, and if there are more Buryats in any unit of the Russian army, will it be a Buryat unit? and then rotation and r-times became more Tatars, the Tatar unit? And then more Russians, again a Russian unit? L - logic)). They wrote to you that there is no separate special forces of Chechnya as a subject of the Russian Federation. That's all. Of course, having formed these units in the Chechen Republic, the majority there will be Chechens. But at the same time they will serve in the troops of the Russian Federation, and not Chechnya, in fact these are obvious things. You are a clever author, more careful !!)
        1. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 20 October 2017 05: 10 New
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          What they call “Chechen special forces” here are Kadyrov’s, who are subordinate only to Kadyrov and no one else, many of them are amnestied militants, the same ISIS in their Wahhabi essence.
      5. kush62
        kush62 19 October 2017 18: 31 New
        +1
        Yurasumy October 17, 2017 10:05 ↑
        In fact, most of the fighters of the Vostok and Zapad battalions are Chechens. Don't you know that? Apparently, those who like your comment do not know this either.

        In your. if the majority of the unit would be Ukrainians (by nationality). would it be Ukrainian special forces? Buryats, special forces of Buryatia and if Russian. then only then the Russian special forces.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 17 October 2017 06: 55 New
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    I agree only partially. The Chechens are holding a stone in their bosom, and that’s for sure. I live in the North Caucasus and see it with my own eyes. And the most “innocent” thing they do is squeeze the Russians out of their places of residence. And this is not in Chechnya. Stavropol Territory example.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 17 October 2017 08: 37 New
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      The article is nothing. Outskirts, too, try to fill in with our money?
      1. Yurasumy
        17 October 2017 10: 49 New
        +7
        The article is not about money, but about the fact that we need to look for the general, and not the break point. You are looking for a break point and you are surprised that there are only enemies around, I look for unification points and find friends everywhere.
        1. Jodina
          Jodina 17 October 2017 11: 40 New
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          That is the difference. Friendship for money is called a little differently. You still offer Somalia to make friends. Besides Chechnya, Dagestan also has the same friends. And in general - do not confuse friendship with politics.
    2. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 10: 09 New
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      Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Kazakhs, Kirghiz and Armenians also keep the stone. I almost forgot about the Kazan Tatars and Bashkirs, Perm inhabitants, Petrograd people and in general about all the foxes who precisely hold the stone against all Muscovites. I have lived here for half a year in one of the Domodedovo districts and I can say that Armenians survive there Russians. "Mom swear" them there to a third and the farther, the more. In general, it all depends on the mood.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 October 2017 11: 04 New
        +3
        Another ukrotroll again? Maybe you can write that the share of Russians in Moscow is 35%, and the share of Caucasians and Central Asians is 60%?
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 17 October 2017 11: 42 New
          +2
          The Kievans cannot have any other impression of Moscow, due to the fact that Kiev mainly lives in Kiev, citizens of Ukraine.
      2. Jodina
        Jodina 17 October 2017 13: 34 New
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        Friendship between nations begins with a coherent foreign policy of the state. And so - yes ... Belarusians and Kirghiz are friends too, etc. How to grind oil - so this is friendship! And how to recognize the Crimea-so immediately I really want to go to Europe.
      3. Fylhtq
        Fylhtq 17 October 2017 20: 16 New
        +8
        As said, one bad person, the main thing is not to become a victim of your own propaganda. Jura, Ukrainians can understand only one thing, that is strength, they perceive any concession as a weakness of Russia, or rather not Russia, but the Russian Federation. So they perceived the Minsk agreements, and gas discounts, and the fact that Putin at 14 did not want to take Mariupol, Kharkov, Odessa, all this was perceived as a weakness. While Ukraine is needed by the United States, as one of the weapons against the Russian Federation, while it will be kept to a minimum, and then pushed forward, like Georgia, in 2008, and for the Minsk signed in 14 and 15, civilians of Donbass will pay with their lives, VSN fighters, and RF Armed Forces fighters.
        1. wvg
          wvg 19 October 2017 09: 59 New
          0
          the main problem of Ukraine is Russia, or rather the Russian Federation! Until the Russian Federation determines its desire to become Russia, while the Soviet ideology remains in the Russian Federation, there will be nothing good for Ukrainians, sobsno as for Russians!
          There are considerable progress. And I understand with my mind that the rush here is fatal, everything should come together naturally, after the set "9 months" ...
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 17 October 2017 12: 04 New
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      in Chechnya squeezed back in the early 90s. The author of the article, obviously did not read Sergei Maslenitsa "Memories of Chechnya", who are walking on the network, just to score in a search engine. I’ll give you a pretty soft passage
      And you, gentlemen, are bred like suckers and forced to die for someone else's small property interests.
      Dear Huron! You, of course, know better than me. I was just born and raised in Chechnya (Nadterechny district, st. Shelkovskaya), then I took out my family and neighbors (whom I could) from there, and then I was a “divorced sucker”, and twice: from 1994 to 1996, and from 1999 to 2004. And here is what I will tell you. In the 1991-1992 years (even before the first war), tens of thousands of Russians were cut out in Chechnya. In the Shelkov spring of 1992, all the hunting weapons were seized from the Russian population by the "Chechen police", and a week later militants came to an unarmed village. They were engaged in re-registration of real estate. And for this a whole system of signs was developed. The human intestines wound around the fence meant: the owner was no longer there, only women in the house, ready for "love." Female bodies planted on the same fence: the house is free, you can move in.
      Therefore, dear Huron, I and those who fought with me nearby - least of all thought about "someone's small-scale interests." We thought about something else.
    4. bandabas
      bandabas 17 October 2017 13: 48 New
      +7
      Wanted to eat. I repeat my comment “This people under the sun is no meaner and more cunning.” Ermolov however.
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 17 October 2017 07: 00 New
    +4
    They convinced the Chechen oligarchs that business does not tolerate upheavals, they like silence, they have left a little for restoration, and this is the result. Ukraine could not be outbid even by pouring $ 300 million into its economy, mentality, however!
    1. L10n77
      L10n77 17 October 2017 07: 27 New
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      This is because they "poured" not specific performers, but generally into the economy of Ukraine. Amers only needed 5 million. They paid it to specific individuals - they got the result, and investing money in the economy of a foreign country hoping for political dividends, it’s not only a useless, but also a bad idea, you will have to give back investments, you have long known the proverb about debts - “take others and for a while, but you give yours and forever, "therefore it is easier to declare the creditor" aggressor and enemy "and not give. For the same reason, France was actively destroying Gaddafi. The Chechen oligarchs are loyal - they give them money for free (pay tribute) as soon as the Chechen fighters begin to lend or stop pouring in and get out again.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 October 2017 07: 42 New
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        Correct: 5 billion. And yes, it’s cheaper and more efficient to buy the top of the country, rather than pour money into the economy for the good of the people. People will not understand this, they will simply take it for granted. The USSR also pierced with African countries that allegedly built socialism. The Soviet Union in Somalia and the Congo built hospitals, schools, universities, houses, roads, factories, and African kings swirled their fingers at the temple, because they only needed a few bucks from the USSR on the accounts, a black Mercedes and a harem. What did they eventually get from the United States when the USSR collapsed.
      2. andj61
        andj61 17 October 2017 08: 49 New
        +9
        Quote: L10n77
        Amers only needed 5 million. They paid it to specific individuals - they got the result, and investing money in the economy of a foreign country hoping for political dividends, it’s not only a useless, but also a bad idea, you will have to give back investments, you have long known the proverb about debts - “take others and for a while, but you give yours and forever, "therefore it is easier to declare the creditor" aggressor and enemy "and not give.

        5 million is nothing at all. Every year, private foundations in Ukraine, the same Soros Foundation spends much more on grants. Nuland talked about government money, and the amount was 5 billion, not 5 million. Another point is that the Americans have much more effective investments: they can not invest at all, they can only warn that if something happens (wrong behavior, support for the wrong ones) .d.) specific individuals will not be allowed to use the money in the West, organize persecution, etc. - immediately the desired person becomes silk. This also applies to our businessmen. Americans often buy the top of the country, giving this top the opportunity to rob their own people, subject to American interests. hi
        1. max702
          max702 17 October 2017 09: 45 New
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          There is such a phrase. "Why buy a plant when you can buy a director .."
          This is the whole essence of bourgeois politics .. Stalin did not have accounts abroad, and his children lived and studied in the USSR on this and made decisions independently, and the country was developing at an unprecedented pace ..
          rs: But Chechnya, yes, stupidly flooded with money .. Let's stop it all starts again .. A barrel of 100 and above helped this process great ..
      3. andrewkor
        andrewkor 17 October 2017 08: 55 New
        +1
        I completely agree with you: "donkey with gold" is not enough for the whole country, and a few little people were enough! But in Crimea, one of the main goals of the coup, this was not enough. he will fall!
      4. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 19 October 2017 13: 03 New
        +1
        Finally a sane comment !!! One remark - of course it is possible to lend, but on super-harsh conditions similar to the notorious 3 billion for Yanukovych, then the English courts are on our side)). And how now they throw the same Belarus with money, it's just a shame !! At the same time, yes, the entire population of Belarus takes this for granted and try to hint at the bestowal - they will immediately show all the charm of "zmagarism" and "litvianism" ((
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 October 2017 09: 36 New
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      Quote: andrewkor
      Ukraine could not be bought even by injecting $ 300 into its economy, mentality, however!

      Before "pouring in", all the odious commanders of gangs of formations, including "leaders", were destroyed in Chechnya.
      The author of the article absolutely incorrectly compares Chechnya and Ukraine.
      1. Yurasumy
        17 October 2017 10: 10 New
        +3
        It is a pity that you do not see analogies. To the author they are obvious.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 October 2017 10: 25 New
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          Quote: yurasumy
          It is a pity that you do not see analogies. To the author they are obvious.

          What can you do?! Probably the author of the article still believes that Ukraine is part of the Russian Federation.
          1. Yurasumy
            17 October 2017 10: 49 New
            +1
            ))) Does not count.
        2. Lev Bronsch
          Lev Bronsch 19 October 2017 13: 19 New
          +1
          Yuri, there are no analogies from the word at all! No one in Russia went shopping and checked whether they speak Russian or Chechen .. Understand - Chechnya is classically inspired by external geopolitical players separatism, without the slightest national oppression and economic reasons! Donbass - forced separatism provoked by the Kiev authorities, with a clear slogan of national salvation and escape from the economic abyss, and then supported by an external player! But after!! When the anti-terrorist operation Mr. Turchinov announced, to remind? April! And I emphasize the first mention in social networks - Facebook fakes only appeared in June! Then the officer. Kiev propaganda took them into service, and away we go - 100500 armored drills and 2000 armatures!))) That's why when Chechnya "ate" independence, then they "reconciled". But Donbass can’t do that, because in the current state of affairs, for them, with "pacification" the situation will radically worsen. Or didn’t you read the laws of Ukraine, didn’t watch the BP meetings, didn’t hear the statements of the powder? About the plans for what we will do with Donbass - there, after all, filtration camps are the mildest that they offer !! The question is, who are the separatists, suicides? obviously no, that's why the conflict is going on .... By the way, I personally have always been for the principle - the Crimea is Russian, and alas, Donbass, already stolen with Soviet power and thought to help them, I think it’s superfluous. One example, Simferopol, has a population of 300, at a rally in February at least 000. Donetsk, a population of more than 35, at rallies against the Maidan of 000-1000. Alas, hatskrayniki in perfect condition ((There is no one to help there!
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 October 2017 16: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: kapitan92
        Before "pouring in", all the odious commanders of gangs of formations, including "leaders", were destroyed in Chechnya.

        And who do you think was Kadyrov? Or the Yamadayev brothers? The first Chechen fought against federal troops
  4. Lganhi
    Lganhi 17 October 2017 07: 25 New
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    The pots had already done so much, talked and spilled so much blood that there would be no forgiveness for them. Stalin squeezed them out a little, granted amnesty, and gave the leaders only 10 years in camps, and then they didn’t sit out until the end, Khrushchev pardoned them, and they returned to their farms to educate a new generation of Benderians who fanatically hated Russians. And now it is their descendants who jump in Ukraine, zig and fire at Donbass cities and villages.
    And yet, you propose to shower Ukraine with money, how did they shower Chechnya? But it’s one thing to maintain a 700th republic, and quite another to maintain a 40 millionth country! What is it that turns out, all of Russia, all Russians will plow and separate from themselves the money they need so that the pots sleep sweetly and eat deliciously? Not tired of stepping on the same rake again? From 1992 to 2014, the Russian Federation poured 250 billion bucks into Ukraine, but the pans answered with black ingratitude, and apart from anger and hatred, we received nothing from them. Do you think if we give them a trillion bucks, they will become normal towards us? You do not know them well.
    1. L10n77
      L10n77 17 October 2017 07: 38 New
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      From the fact that they dumped Chechnya with money, they became better about Russians? You are deeply mistaken, they understand and respect only power. And as for what the Chechens have done, the same "pots" compared to them are lambs.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 October 2017 07: 44 New
        +3
        So the Russians showed them strength, breaking them in 1999. And now a new generation of Chechens has grown up, accustomed to the toilet, hot water supply and the Internet. Few young Chechens will now go to live in a forest in a dugout, without any amenities. Well, except for the most ideological Wahhabis, but they are few.
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 17 October 2017 11: 48 New
          +8
          More recently, no one could have thought that there would be a civil war in Ukraine, and 80% of the inhabitants of Ukraine consider us enemies. Well, with these brains half a year to rinse ...
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 25 New
            +4
            They always considered Russian enemies. Read the "Babi Yar" by Kuznetsov. This author constantly complains in his book about the occupation of Nenko by the Russians, and it clearly shows how enthusiastic the Germans met the Germans, they, like their descendants 70 years later, naively believed that the Germans came to them to help become Europeans.
            1. MoJloT
              MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 03 New
              +4
              Let us not operate on the Kuznetsov, Solzhenitsyn, Venediktov ... They do not reflect the mood of ordinary people. I communicate regularly with the natives of Ukraine living in Moscow, their national question is not absolutely worth it, take their relatives living in Ukraine, then they consider their compatriots traitors, and we are enemies. There was a brainwashing, who fell under it, the pan department and now FIG knows how to remove it. Unlike the Chechens, the Ukrainians and I have no real reason for enmity.
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 17 October 2017 13: 18 New
                +1
                Excuse me, dear, why should we have enmity between Chechens? Is it your 404 so zombie? I know several Chechens, wonderful guys, simple and honest, you can rely on them, not rotten, unlike some ... Hmmm, I will not indicate who these are, I’ll just say that they are located southwest of Moscow on 1000 km away.
                1. MoJloT
                  MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 40 New
                  +4
                  Ukrainians and Russians are one and the same people, they grind different things, but no one conquered anyone. The Caucasus, with a few exceptions, was joined by force of arms, to which the Chechens in the 90s responded with the genocide of 10 thousand Russians by ISIS, the situation continues to deteriorate in the neighboring regions, and debts have not yet been distributed.
                  1. Lganhi
                    Lganhi 17 October 2017 22: 16 New
                    +6
                    Ukrainians and Russians are completely different peoples. Ukrainians are closer to the Poles, but the imposed Poles.
                    Russians are Orthodox, honest, kind people, unlike ukrov, who were genetic slaves for a thousand years among the Poles, Austrians and Krymchaks.
                    1. dep071
                      dep071 18 October 2017 08: 47 New
                      0
                      What nonsense in your head !!! Russians are those who live in Russia or in some part of it? And where did you get that all Orthodox?
                      And give an example of our Russian women of the beginning of the twentieth century, but not a secular lioness, but those who worked in the fields, nobody went outside with their heads uncovered !!!! And what follows from this, what is the difference in what people are dressed?
                2. staviator
                  staviator 17 October 2017 22: 56 New
                  +5
                  Excuse me, dear, why should we have enmity between Chechens? Is it your 404 so zombie? I know several Chechens, wonderful guys, simple and honest,
                  But really, why? Everyone forgot Budenovsk, Nord-West, dozens of videos of the severed heads of Russian soldiers. Convicts with many years of experience.
                  1. Lganhi
                    Lganhi 17 October 2017 23: 04 New
                    +4
                    Looks like you have already forgotten Russian women and children with open stomachs and broken heads, and the Benderites saw Russian prisoners alive saw, and began to saw between the legs.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 23: 18 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Lgankhi
                      and the Benderites saw Russian prisoners alive with a saw, and they began to saw between their legs.

                      Is it the Transnistrians? I have not heard.
                      1. Lganhi
                        Lganhi 17 October 2017 23: 20 New
                        0
                        Bender is not a reader, Bendro is a writer!
                    2. Pancho
                      Pancho 20 October 2017 18: 15 New
                      0
                      Unfortunately, you are right - we have much forgotten and forgiven.
            2. Catherine II
              Catherine II 17 October 2017 13: 44 New
              +4
              Quote: Lgankhi
              They always considered Russian enemies

              judging by your post, the Russians killed every 6 Ukrainian in the Second World War .... but did not die at the hands of the Germans and allies. And there were no Ukrainian losses in the ranks of the USSR army ..second after the Russians ...
              exactly ... all Ukrainians met Germans ... sad
              Where did such losses come from? Or is it on the principle-who met that Ukrainian, who fought, that Russian?
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 17 October 2017 22: 17 New
                +2
                YOU read Kuznetsov's “Babi Yar”. Ukrainians enthusiastically greeted Germans, they hated Russians.
      2. captain
        captain 17 October 2017 07: 57 New
        11
        You are a little right :-) all nations understand power best of all. But you apparently forgot that a referendum was held in Chechnya after we left there. And the Chechens made their choice :-) remained in Russia. The author was silent about this, I don’t know why. And in the Donbass, people have no desire to remain part of Ukraine, they showed it in their referendum. There are more than 20 state languages ​​in Russia and no one suggests abolishing them. We do not capture mosques and do not expel mullahs. This is a very important moment in national relations. In Ukraine, this is not. And most importantly, in Russia there is basically no national superiority of Russians over other peoples. There are cases at the household level, but not at the state level.
    2. Irbenwolf
      Irbenwolf 17 October 2017 07: 47 New
      +7
      The pots had already done so much, talked and spilled so much blood that there would be no forgiveness for them.

      In the Chechen wars nearly 10000 Russian soldiers died, the "pots" have not yet killed a single Russian soldier.
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 17 October 2017 07: 52 New
        +3
        How to know ......
      2. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 October 2017 08: 04 New
        +4
        Motorola, by the way, was born and raised in Russia, a citizen of the Russian Federation.
      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 17 October 2017 09: 30 New
        +9
        Quote: IrbenWolf
        In the Chechen wars nearly 10000 Russian soldiers died, the "pots" have not yet killed a single Russian soldier.

        Well, yes, yes. How to know, how to know.
        1. Yurasumy
          17 October 2017 10: 51 New
          +5
          In-in. The CIA just watches the video and orders it and asks to distribute it by all available means. To shoot a video creates hundreds of militants, so that they pretend to be a "people". And you spread it all, thereby fighting against yourself.
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 17 October 2017 11: 06 New
            +7
            Since when did Hitler’s Bendery henchmen become our “brothers” and all the more so the “people”?
            1. Yurasumy
              17 October 2017 11: 09 New
              12
              Understand what your problem is. You do not share the people of Ukraine and Bandera henchmen from which I can conclude that the CIA knowingly poured their money into spreading this myth. Actually, they always won us. Losing on the battlefield, but won in the brain. In this case, in yours.
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 17 October 2017 11: 19 New
                +7
                But didn’t the people of Ukraine ride tens of thousands on the Maidan all over Ukraine? Is not the people of Ukraine cast 56% of the vote for Bender Poroshenko? Didn’t the people of Ukraine choose the outspoken Benderites Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko? Didn’t the people of Ukraine send 5 hryvnias to the ATO by SMS, did they help in every possible way with money for equipment of the Azov volunteer battalions, etc. In 2014, didn’t all the boxes for donations to ATO fighters be in all shops, schools, hospitals and other institutions?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 17 October 2017 12: 47 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  Is not the people of Ukraine cast 56% of the vote for Bender Poroshenko? Didn’t the people of Ukraine choose the outspoken Benderites Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko?

                  Loudly .. Let’s throw it over to us, who voted for Yeltsin? And for Chubais? And what led to that. They have voted for them, although you can’t find those who would say yes today with fire that’s always been drunk for Boris, all as it is bashfully eyes aside.
                  Damn 146% is an achievement of Churov? Such wizards, enough in Ukraine.
                  So be quiet on the bends, making accusations against the whole nation. You will have a gun at your temple, half the trouble, but if you and your entire family, what you sing to God or the devil is known.
                  Of the 42 million people in Ukraine - "" The elected president of Ukraine is Poroshenko P.O. born in 1965, MP, lives in Kiev, non-partisan, who received 9 million 857 thousand 308 votes in the elections, read more here: https: //ru.tsn.ua/vybory-2014/vybory-prezidenta/z
                  a-poroshenko-progolosovali-pochti-10-millionov-uk
                  raincev-369282.html ", which completely fits into the layout of the population, mainly in the western and partly central regions.
                  1. Lganhi
                    Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 59 New
                    +4
                    Did Chubais move forward? What a news! Zombie pans pierced another bottom laughing .
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 17 October 2017 14: 29 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Lgankhi
                      Did Chubais move forward?

                      Why did he nominate himself, he was appointed by your chosen Yeltsin, to the State Property Committee, at the direction of which the whole knowledge-intensive and technological industry was practically knocked out in the country, did you not know this?
                      Quote: Lgankhi
                      Zombie pans pierced another bottom

                      Do you? It looks like.
                      The more I read your cries, the more I understand that there is nothing to blame on the pots in Ruin when they are carried, what is in VO, what in Moscow with Peter, in particular, a fair amount.
                      1. Curious
                        Curious 17 October 2017 20: 56 New
                        +6
                        Langkhi! You are no different from those "pots" about which you so fervently broadcast. And although you do not realize this, you are spiritual brothers. You are united by one characteristic feature - the media is replaced by the thought process. It’s just that you and your Ukrainian brothers were asked different programs. Transfer you to the information field of Ukraine - and in a month you will be a "saucepan".
                2. Yurasumy
                  17 October 2017 14: 37 New
                  +3
                  Judging by your comment. you do not understand what is happening in Ukraine and judge everything based on your preferences and Russian TV channels, which just sometimes chase ratings. Although why sometimes. they always chase after them. By the way, most of the money for the ATO was given by those whom you ... can even be called the assistants of Russia in this war. But you do not need all this knowledge. You have already decided everything for yourself and put everyone on the shelves. It's more convenient for you.
                3. Krabik
                  Krabik 21 October 2017 19: 09 New
                  0
                  I voted for Yeltsin and Starikov and in general almost everything.

                  He was popular as Lenin.

                  And still galloped at the white house, as it is now on the Maidan.
              2. 79807420129
                79807420129 17 October 2017 12: 29 New
                10
                Quote: yurasumy
                You do not share the people of Ukraine and Bandera henchmen

                Dear, excuse me, but look at who is fighting in the Donbass against the "Russian" aggression, just take a look carefully, no, these "brothers" are not needed, which are sold for cookies.
                Quote: yurasumy
                To create a video creates hundreds of militants, so that they pretended to be "people

                Do not smack nonsense, dear, I can remember you 08.08.08. When Buk-2 crews were removed from combat duty and shot down our planes in Georgia. Also Bandera’s, “Muscovite” to gilyaka, not only UNA UNSO and Right Sector "yelling, put the races on the Maidan under this slogan? Or do you know?
                Quote: yurasumy
                In this case, in yours.

                The old song, Yuri, again the Russians are to blame, maybe you can restore order in your brains first, eh? hiPy.Sy Nobody speaks for all the people of Ukraine. Each people has its own heroes and its mazeps with the hairy.
                1. Yurasumy
                  17 October 2017 14: 40 New
                  +4
                  1. In the Donbas in the Natsik 90% Russian speakers. Yes, and many of them are Russian by nationality and quite a significant number are Russian by passport. So what?

                  2. I will even tell you more, in the first Chechen Ukrainian officers fought on the side of Chechnya. I communicated with them. And again I ask you what?

                  3. Dear, lead the discussion honestly. If I wrote somewhere that Russia owes something to someone (not to itself, but to someone), a quote in the studio. And you can take it from anywhere, not just from this material.
                  1. 79807420129
                    79807420129 17 October 2017 15: 23 New
                    +8
                    Quote: yurasumy
                    1. In the Donbas in the Natsik 90% Russian speakers. Yes, and many of them are Russian by nationality and quite a significant number are Russian by passport. So what?
                    2. I will even tell you more, in the first Chechen Ukrainian officers fought on the side of Chechnya. I communicated with them. And again I ask you what?

                    But nothing, in your opinion, we should understand and forgive and further turn the other cheek for spitting. Sorry for the allegory, but that is what you had in mind. request Much can be understood and forgiven, but not treason. yes
                    Quote: yurasumy
                    3. Dear, lead the discussion honestly. If I wrote somewhere that Russia owes something to someone (not to itself, but to someone), a quote in the studio. And you can take it from anywhere, not just from this material.

                    And why did you decide that Russia should? We read carefully.
                    Quote: 79807420129
                    Old song Yuri, again the Russians are to blame

                    RUSSIAN Yuri. hi
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 19: 14 New
                      0
                      Here is an example of where our partners overseas lead us:



                      So no one forces you to understand and forgive, the main thing is to lift up your leg above%)
                  2. Bosch
                    Bosch 18 October 2017 17: 22 New
                    +1
                    Banderlogs have no nationality.
            2. Andrey Goncharenko
              Andrey Goncharenko 17 October 2017 12: 18 New
              +6
              Quote: Lgankhi
              Since when did Hitler’s Bendery henchmen become our “brothers” and all the more so the “people”?

              There were several thousand Hitler’s henchmen, and 6000000 Ukrainians fought against Hitler in the Red Army
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 31 New
                +5
                For your information:
                During the Great Patriotic War, 29 574 900 people were called up to the Red Army, in addition to 4 826 907, who were under arms at the beginning of the war.

                That is, a total of 34 million people were called up to the Red Army, RKKF and Red Aviation.
                But how many Ukrainian volunteers rushed to be recruited into the SS division "Galicia":
                The division was recruited from the residents of the Galicia district of the Governor General. The excess of volunteers (more than 1 thousand were recorded on June 1943, 80) also allowed the formation of the 204th battalion of police and SD and a number of other units, some of which were later used to recreate the division after its defeat at Brody in July 1944

                This is only in Galicia 80 thousand recorded. And how many hundreds of thousands more served the Germans as policemen and other henchmen? And yes, do not poke the Vlasovites. In Russia, Vlasovites are not national heroes, in contrast to the SS SS of Galicia and other Hitler’s henchmen.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 17 October 2017 15: 07 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  This is only in Galicia 80 thousand recorded.

                  Yes, in Galzia, yes they signed up, but in the Red Army, millions of Ukrainians fought, do you have something against both those soldiers who defeated Hitler and their heirs living in Russia? And not only in Russia?
                  And if you, a Bandera, will remind you of the Lokot Republic? Vlasovtsev and Cossack Krasnov, what will you tell us all here? On the basis of your thoughts, Cossacks, we will declare the Russian people a criminal subethnos?
                  So, as of June 22.06.41, 65,4, Russians were drafted into the armed forces 17,7%, Ukrainians - 1.07.1944%. In the future, this figure changed somewhat. So on 51,78, the share of Russian soldiers and officers in the infantry divisions of the SA was a little more than half - 33,93%, and Ukrainians - reached a third - XNUMX%. But what a loss picture.

                  Russians died at the front 66,4% (5 million.756 thousand), and Ukrainians - 15,89% (1 million.377 thousand). This does not mean that the latter stayed in the rear and the captive. Those who fought in the Red Army (SA) did it with dignity: the percentage of military awards awarded among Russians is 66,49%, among Ukrainians - 18,43%, which is much more than among soldiers of other nationalities of the USSR.
                  It seems you are here performing a very shameful role .. it's like in a family, you take the brother to be found guilty of betraying the brother-in-law's wife, on the basis of which we can conclude that the whole brother's family is enemies.
                  Superethnos-Russians, includes subethnos = Ukrainians of Belarusians, do you want to start a fratricidal war with your cries here? What is the difference between this and the very bright and similar powders? Look ... people declared enemies.
                  The West applauds, it has reached its goal, the betrayal virus works for itself ...
                  This one is already trying ... Catherine II Today, 13:47 ↑ New, how do you differ from her?
                  1. Lganhi
                    Lganhi 17 October 2017 22: 20 New
                    +3
                    How many times can it be repeated: Russians and Ukrainians are completely different people. Maybe you suggest fraternizing the British and Germans? After all, they are fraternal Germanic people!
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 17 October 2017 22: 37 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Lgankhi
                      How many times can it be repeated: Russians and Ukrainians are completely different people.

                      Shocked ..
                      You have the Darwin Award.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT2FckZ53uM
                      1. Lganhi
                        Lganhi 17 October 2017 22: 43 New
                        +1
                        You say to the Germans and the British that they are "one people." That’s gonna be something! The same distance between Ukrainians and Russians.
                2. Kotleopold
                  Kotleopold 19 October 2017 17: 00 New
                  0
                  But nevertheless, how many were enrolled in Vlasov?
        2. gaura
          gaura 18 October 2017 09: 09 New
          0
          The video said about mercenaries from Russia. I remember how our local newspaper published interviews with riot police, how they caught a sniper who came from Russia. For her, it was not over fast and not fun
          The only difference is that they have these un-unso feel completely at ease, but we still would have planted this sniper for a long time. Well, now our volunteers are fighting in the Donbass, who are they for ukrov? Yes, and why hide with us, even the Nazis organize their marches, as if against the government. But no one is planting them
      4. Catherine II
        Catherine II 17 October 2017 13: 47 New
        0
        Quote: IrbenWolf
        "pots" have not yet killed a single Russian soldier.

        and they won’t kill. They will have time to quit.
        Erofeev with Alexandrov for example. Paratroopers "lost" .. there are quite high-profile cases of captivity and killings in the resistance of "former Russian military personnel"
        And so yes, officially ichtamnet.
    3. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 10: 11 New
      +5
      The author does not offer to throw money. The author proposes to think and solve a problem, not to think with emotions and drive oneself into a corner prepared for Russia and the USA.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 17 October 2017 11: 57 New
        +3
        We must turn to history, for example, say, Comrade Stalin had effective ways to solve the Chechen problems.
    4. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 10: 21 New
      +1
      250 billion bucks? Are you deciphering?
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 17 October 2017 11: 09 New
        +2
        Moscow. April 22nd. INTERFAX.RU - For the entire post-Soviet period, Russia helped Ukraine by about a quarter trillion dollars, said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

        "The figure that you named, about $ 250 billion, is a fair number. This is, in fact, the amount of support that we, for perhaps the entire post-Soviet history, have provided to our Ukrainian friends and brothers through all sorts of preferences, including non-market terms of trade gas, "D. Medvedev said on Tuesday in the State Duma, commenting on the speeches of representatives of the factions after the report of the Russian government.

        At the same time, D. Medvedev agreed with the thesis that help should be meaningful.

        "But we are kind, we are so structured, and we are talking about a state very close to us. I believe that this kindness is not only our weakness, but also our strength, because all good people are usually strong," - said D. Medvedev.
        http://www.interfax.ru/russia/373117
        And now the pans for the sake of the pathetic 500 million LOAN, and not help, lick the IMF’s duplicate and the whole West wassat
        1. Catherine II
          Catherine II 17 October 2017 13: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Lgankhi
          including non-market conditions for gas trade, "D. Medvedev said in the State Duma on Tuesday,

          apparently a period of cheap gas was considered. Then they beat off the most expensive gas. Or maybe they considered a discount. Counting methods were not provided. So Ukraine can say that it provided and poured into the economy of the Russian Federation a billion dollars due to the non-market transit price, gas prices (more expensive than Germany, as a result of which the Russian Federation lost 2 largest buyer) preferences for goods (they are mutual) until the trade wars arrived.
          In general, debatable. The figure is taken from the ceiling. And then they added who 50 who 100 billion ..
        2. Yurasumy
          17 October 2017 14: 42 New
          +1
          Not funny. So it is possible to cite the words of Kiev as evidence that Gazprom should give them $ 100 billion, not counting the money for the Crimea, which Kiev has long put to Moscow in the bill. I asked for decoding. 10 billion dollars here, this, and 10 billion dollars, that. Look for facts, not empty words of politicians. I'm not down to this level. True?
  5. A.V.S.
    A.V.S. 17 October 2017 07: 43 New
    18
    "... The Chechen Republic will be the pride of Russia ..." and what kind of "Russia" is proud of the Chechen Republic ?! Residents of Pskov, Samara or Krasnoyarsk? Vague doubts torment me ....
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 October 2017 07: 50 New
    +3
    I made a strange mistake in the author. Chechnya belongs to Russia. The head of Chechnya can make any governor apologize. Chechens are the elite of Russia.
    1. Lganhi
      Lganhi 17 October 2017 08: 07 New
      +6
      Are you broadcasting from Ukraine? Usually, Ukrainian trolls constantly trash the topic of Islamization and the Caucasus of Russia, and a decrease in the number of Russians. In 1992, 52 million people lived in Ukraine, 2014 million in 42, now about 38 lyam, this is taking into account the LPR and the DPR. Apparently, ukrov consoles believing that even though the pots are dying at a record pace, the “damn ... if” dying is even faster.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 October 2017 08: 11 New
        +5
        Are you broadcasting from Ukraine?
        Oh, Salam Aleikum, DarAgoy, come to us in MASKWA, let's talk. Yaksha?
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 17 October 2017 08: 16 New
          +3
          Well, definitely ukrotroll. How much do they pay, sick? For each comment 30 cents?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 17 October 2017 09: 52 New
            +4
            ukrotroll.
            where do you all get out from? I am Russian, . And you who can only insult. Position yourself as a fighter for socialism, but love the power of the oligarchs.
            1. Lganhi
              Lganhi 17 October 2017 11: 13 New
              0
              If you lived in Russia, then such nonsense:
              Chechnya belongs to Russia. The head of Chechnya can make any governor apologize. Chechens are the elite of Russia.
              wouldn't blurt out. By the way, you are probably one of those distributors about allegedly "classified census data" in which the share of Russians in Moscow is 35%, and the share of Caucasians and Central Asians is 60%? Only Ukrainians believe in this nonsense, who have never been to Moscow and rejoiced at the extinction of the Russians, considering these "data" to be true. Although anyone visiting Moscow, it is clear that this is complete nonsense and the proportion of Russians is 95%.
              1. MoJloT
                MoJloT 17 October 2017 12: 01 New
                0
                in Moscow, it’s clear that this is complete nonsense and the proportion of Russians is 95%

                Now I’m writing from Moscow 95% is nonsense, well, 60% still somehow you can believe, and even then with a stretch.
                1. Lganhi
                  Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 33 New
                  0
                  Oh, another ukrotroll. I myself live in Moscow.
                  1. MoJloT
                    MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 17 New
                    +3
                    fool You will see the tame in the mirror! Consider the population of Moscow (official) 12 mil. 9mil has a permanent registration. KARL 9MIL. WITH REGISTRATION !!! (UFMS data) 12-9 = 3mil. 3il. + 4mil. illegal immigrants = 7mil. 12 + 7 = 19mil. 7 is 36%. For clarity, ride in kings or bootov ...
                    1. Lganhi
                      Lganhi 17 October 2017 13: 23 New
                      +1
                      In fact, the census takes into account the resident population. And yes, the number of “illegal immigrants” includes students without a residence permit, business travelers and just workers from other regions, Russians by nationality. This is for you, pots, it is considered that if a person is without a residence permit in Moscow, then this is necessarily a Gaster from the former republics. And by the way, in Moscow there are about a million Ukrainian Gaster. These ukrogaster you also rank among the Chechens laughing ? God, what stupid ukrobots are!
                      1. MoJloT
                        MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 45 New
                        +4
                        Not to notice obvious things is the lot of ukrobots, this is what you do.
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 17 October 2017 12: 09 New
                +5
                you apparently
                you compose, and then ascribe these words to me.
                I said only one thing: Chechnya lives better than anyone after the war, and my native Kirov region, like after the bombing.
                And the governor apologized
                1. Lganhi
                  Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 34 New
                  0
                  Well, about Belykh, you know how liberal he is.
      2. ando_bor
        ando_bor 17 October 2017 10: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Lgankhi
        Usually, Ukrainian trolls constantly trash the topic of Islamization and the Caucasus of Russia, and a decrease in the number of Russians.

        Yes, there are already a good half of them - hired propagandists, Ukrainians are very cheap, they are hired in packs, several hundred whole Russian-language network litter.
        They even manage to trash the tape in a positive topic, and even if the acute question is, they are all solid trolls and their brainless victims.
      3. MoJloT
        MoJloT 17 October 2017 11: 59 New
        0
        Let's say 38, how many come in large numbers? And now about Russia ......
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 39 New
          0
          In Russia, the maximum population fell on 1993 and amounted to 148,6 million people; in 2017, the population of the Russian Federation is 146,8 million people. As you can see, the population of Russia decreased by only 1%. While the population of 404 decreased by 27% - from 52 million to 38 million !!! Charles!!! More than a quarter !!! Even Germany and the USSR did not suffer such losses in the Second World War. Thank for the 14 million dead their horses and Bendery presidents.
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 22 New
            0
            Do not bring nonsense, these are not losses in the war, these are people who earn or live in the neighborhood, including ours. It will be better if they come back. And as for the reduction by 1%, this is a game of numbers, you need to watch how much has moved in, minus it and from what remains to see the real picture.
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              1. MoJloT
                MoJloT 17 October 2017 13: 48 New
                0
                Fertility, mortality is understandable, as well as claiming to be 14 miles. died out stupid. By the way, this is Kiselev said.
      4. Catherine II
        Catherine II 17 October 2017 13: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Lgankhi
        and reducing the number of Russians

        I will be glad if it is the other way around. But Russian White Slavs as well as European White are declining.
  7. Nemesis
    Nemesis 17 October 2017 08: 10 New
    14
    The Chechen experience is not a good idea, and the war there has not been won, but rather postponed, given what is happening in the Stavropol Territory and other regions. Taxes do not pay, laws do not work, Makhnovism and banditry.
    1. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 10: 22 New
      +1
      Any war, if it did not end with the extermination of the enemy with all the polls, can be called unfinished. For example, the Second World War. And what, too, is not over. With this logic, you and the enemies do not. You will find them yourself.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 17 October 2017 11: 24 New
        +7
        Germany paid indemnities, and its prisoners of war restored what was destroyed in the USSR, but the gangsters from Ichkeria, hesitated to send the GDP, as it were milder to say, to do forced labor to compensate for the damage caused to the Russian Federation by their banditry ... But criminals who have not been punished do not feel the whole the depth of their crimes, as a result today, in the same Stavropol Territory, it is clearly visible that they are again taking on the old, more and more actively.
  8. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 17 October 2017 08: 11 New
    14
    The problem with Chechnya has been solved only temporarily. Another war in the Caucasus is a matter of time, history is a confirmation of this. So far, the loyalty of the Chechen elite is bought with money from the center, but no one will guarantee their loyalty. The fate of Colonel Budanov and dozens of other Russian military men, the chaos of Chechen youngsters in Moscow, regular attacks by Wahhabis in the Caucasus, unauthorized millions of rallies and undisguised violation of Russian laws in Chechnya - that’s the price of relative peace there. Is this a victory? The last time we won a landslide victory in May 45th, but its results have already been canceled. The war should end only in the event of an unconditional surrender of the enemy, otherwise he must wait for the complete destruction.
    As for dill, the problem is similar, but much larger. An attempt to appease her will be perceived as weakness, and the feeling of "exclusivity" of the most ancient race on the planet will only intensify. I am convinced that this path leads only to a dead end. Talking with zombies is useless and stupid, so the MTK masterpiece will be more convincing.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 October 2017 10: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      The problem with Chechnya has been solved only temporarily.

      And once it was solved by someone “not temporarily”? Kings? Stalin? No, everyone solved it temporarily. And what does the concept of “temporarily” mean on this scale? 100 years without war is it temporary?
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 17 October 2017 11: 45 New
        +4
        100 years is too optimistic. Once every 50 years, a batch begins, which takes the lives of Russian soldiers and draws a bunch of resources. Try to force the Highlanders to comply with the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - get a new war almost immediately! There reigns the Middle Ages, covered by a beautiful picture from the TV. Chechens are unlikely to forget hundreds of thousands of our artillery fire victims, just as we will not forget the genocide of peaceful Russian people and thousands of dead soldiers.
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 17 October 2017 12: 41 New
          +1
          And what is not the hundred million dead Chechens? Are you all so zombie at 404?
  9. SpaceCom
    SpaceCom 17 October 2017 08: 19 New
    10
    Awful ... It is disgusting that not only Svidomo, but also the "experts" of VO draw parallels between Chechnya and the Donbass. In Ukraine were the Nord-Ost, Budenovsk and Beslan? Is the ideology of the war in Donbass translated into religious rails? Yes, coal is in Donbass, and oil is in Chechnya ... But is it possible to compare the work of a miner in a methane atmosphere and an “oilman” in the resort conditions of the North Caucasus. I'm not talking about the fact that any officer who had to work with personnel (long before perestroika) knows what problem the Chechen diaspora posed in the unit.
  10. Yurasumy
    17 October 2017 08: 39 New
    +2
    After reading the first 20 comments, I can only say: "there is still a lot of work." And yet, yes, it is a pity that such films as "Wolf Trail in the History of Russia" are still in a single version (as well as "Crimea"). But the road will be mastered by walking.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 17 October 2017 10: 30 New
      +1
      Yes, here the majority of your fellow countrymen, hired propagandists, are Ukrainians are very cheap, they are hired in batches, just like they saw Ukraine, I saw it myself, but in Russia there is power and it doesn’t lie beneath it, and the situation is really better, living standards are many times higher than Ukrainian
    2. MoJloT
      MoJloT 17 October 2017 12: 52 New
      +2
      The film is really about nothing.
      1. rumatam
        rumatam 17 October 2017 15: 27 New
        0
        clearly paid on order.
    3. dep071
      dep071 18 October 2017 08: 59 New
      0
      These are all films for those who do not want and do not know how to think with their heads, well, and even more so to read !!!
  11. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 17 October 2017 09: 23 New
    12
    But now the Chechen millionaire in a Moscow hotel is shooting at the ceiling from an award (!!!!) barrel. And something I didn’t hear about the cancellation of his permission to arms, as it would be with a mere mortal and about the criminal, at least for the “hooligan”
    1. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 09: 53 New
      +6
      You are completely wasting your attention on the fact that the millionaire was a Chechen. This is bloating dislike. After all, Russian millionaires sometimes behave this way and they get away with it the same way. The key word here is not a Chechen, but a millionaire. And this problem is called the law for all and for the poor and for millionaires. And your view on this problem and shows. that adversary propaganda works.
  12. iouris
    iouris 17 October 2017 11: 08 New
    0
    I think the "Chechen experience" is that it is not the peoples who are fighting, but the "towers" of power for cash flows, and everyone who has their own interests intervenes from outside. If hostilities have begun, then this is a "complete fiasco." Most wars should be won without starting hostilities.
  13. Des10
    Des10 17 October 2017 11: 26 New
    +2
    "for the first time the Maydanians are shown by people, many of whom simply got lost in search of a way out."
    well, they are the children of their country, it just so happened that they dream of freedom and a good life ... yeah, right now.
  14. intuzazist
    intuzazist 17 October 2017 12: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: yurasumy
    In fact, most of the fighters of the Vostok and Zapad battalions are Chechens. Don't you know that? Apparently, those who like your comment do not know this either.

    And still, this is the special forces of RUSSIA, stationed in the Chechen Republic ............
    1. Yurasumy
      17 October 2017 14: 44 New
      0
      So no one argues with this. And Kadyrov is a citizen of Russia. and what?
  15. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 17 October 2017 12: 53 New
    0
    Quote: 79807420129
    Well, yes, yes. How to know, how to know.

    Let's start with the main thing: "mercenaries are not soldiers". Although the generous term "pots" can mean anything. I understood in the context of the article that the current authorities and their supporters were meant.
  16. rumatam
    rumatam 17 October 2017 15: 26 New
    +1
    Kinushka was removed by order of Kadyrov explicitly, there’s nothing more to say.
  17. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 17 October 2017 15: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: yurasumy
    and Russian millionaires sometimes behave this way and they just get away with it the same way. Here the key word is not a Chechen, but a millionaire.

    I would like to know to which Russian millionaire hundreds of fellow countrymen were going to support, so much so that the Fortress plan was introduced in the police department where this Russian millionaire was, fearing the assault of these same countrymen.
  18. Altona
    Altona 17 October 2017 15: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: MoJloT
    The Kievans cannot have any other impression of Moscow, due to the fact that Kiev mainly lives in Kiev, citizens of Ukraine.

    -------------------------
    I know several girls from Lviv who are delighted with Moscow and dream of living there and finding a husband. They consider Moscow an advanced driving city, unlike the provincial Warsaw or Prague.
  19. erased
    erased 17 October 2017 15: 59 New
    +3
    The Chechen Republic will be the pride of Russia

    Is it true? How interesting. Well then, Basayev is the first Russian special forces, and Raduyev is the best Komsomol member. Who wrote to the author a hundred servings of dull optimism intramuscularly?
  20. Altona
    Altona 17 October 2017 16: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Catherine II
    Erofeev with Alexandrov for example. Paratroopers "lost" .. there are quite high-profile cases of captivity and killings in the resistance of "former Russian military personnel"
    And so yes, officially ichtamnet.

    -----------------------------
    And what do you trump with "former Russian military personnel"? You yourself something cowardly chtoli, stupid and rootless stupid? If we would like to drive you to the right bank of the Dnieper, or even to Chop, we would not need “former Russian military personnel”, just a couple of missiles would be enough for you to let your unwashed and drunken military flock of Ukraine run wherever you look. The Black Sea Fleet would have called up several shots or launches, our aviation would not have bombed your airspace and all your tanks would become coal. You seem to be sitting on a military forum and trumpeting propaganda terms. Yes, there may have been volunteers and vacationers in the Donbass, but they went there to create the DPR Armed Forces and the People’s Militia as opposed to your arch-silly military machine. I don’t remember that Donetsk sent friendship trains to Vinnitsa or Lviv. They have a different mentality.
  21. Altona
    Altona 17 October 2017 16: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: yurasumy
    You don’t understand what is happening in Ukraine and judge everything based on your preferences and Russian TV channels, which simply sometimes chase ratings.

    -------------------------------
    I understand that for some Ukrainians someone inspired the stupid idea that they are the West, although the West only promised them a beautiful picture. It started back in the 1980s, because I saw how arrogant cocks the Westerners walked, though they all spoke Russian perfectly, as mastery of the sovereign mov needed to advance in life, and now they speak Russian perfectly in Lviv, even cleaner than in Kursk, for example. The stupidity and philistinism, which corroded the Ukrainians like rust, are to blame, and you propose that Russian money be poured into this philistinism. No, eat it yourself. You yourself can work well, only for this you need to educate Russian collectivism, and not Polish farmers. And with mercantile philistine logic, you will be rednecks and crests. That's all. And this applies to any people who, for some reason, thinks they are the kindly West and their equal. As if they forgot about the concentration camps, and they are already preparing again.
  22. Fucknato
    Fucknato 17 October 2017 18: 21 New
    +2
    Clear. Give “these former brothers” money and they will stop fighting. Let those who think so do it from their own pockets. Let's pay more to the Baltic states, for the restoration of all the rights of the Russian-speaking population ....
    LDNR. border, let the rest be boiled and self-annihilated. The neighbors will take the rest.
  23. Tanua Maksimova
    Tanua Maksimova 17 October 2017 20: 17 New
    +4
    The difference between the internal wars of Russia and Ukraine is that Russia needed peace in the country. Therefore, they searched and found a solution to the problem. In Ukraine, they do not want peace, because many in this chaos find opportunities for personal enrichment, catch fish in troubled waters. It seems that this is a war until the last Ukrainian
  24. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 17 October 2017 21: 21 New
    +1
    We must not forget that any hutabs must be shot. Leave without financial impregnation, replenishment of weapons. Immediately paint (at least in-secret) what kind of people exactly plant or destroy it is necessary. I heard that the informational propaganda role of the Airborne Forces was huge. Something there was formed and played a big role. This experience is used in Syria.
  25. Andrew ))))))
    Andrew )))))) 17 October 2017 21: 54 New
    +1
    The problem in Ukraine will not be resolved, since the American regime is established there, the regime was removed first in Chechnya, and then they started, so to speak, rapprochement, no one overthrows the regime in Ukraine, it only strengthens there, if it continues like that Russia will get one more malicious enemy, and apparently everything towards this is already obvious to everyone who is not, unlike the author of this article.
  26. alexxxz
    alexxxz 17 October 2017 22: 11 New
    +2
    I’ll say this. The relationship between the Little Russians (I do not recognize the word Ukrainian) and the Great Russians is as old as the world. The word "kaktsap", the contemptuous name of the Russian, was not born yesterday. Little Russia has always been the frontier of the Empire and its lands often passed from hand to hand. Either the Poles, then the Turks, then someone else ... All the neighbors of the Empire tried to bite off even a small piece. So it turned out that only Little Russians will get used to the new owner, to his orders, as again the older brother returns and again new orders. Therefore, MOV in its own area. From the tendency of the Little Russians to the constant search for a new owner, it is better than the previous one. This is already at their genetic level. This is historically the case. And the same option as with Chechnya will not work here. In Chechnya, they made a sweet offer, the elders said “Basta, karapuziki,” and the young ones laid down their arms. In Little Russia this will not work. They were beaten off at hand, run wild. And they will have to be tamed for many decades. My mother is - xoxol, mother-in-law - xoxol, so Little Russians are by no means strangers to me ...
  27. privateer2000
    privateer2000 17 October 2017 22: 26 New
    +4
    Brothers Slavs and not only good health, we wish you all. In general, between the biggest Slavic peoples it’s necessary to unbind this bartender somehow, and to mess up. It’s already enough. It’s all to someone somewhere. it’s not finished, it continues. KS2000
  28. demo
    demo 17 October 2017 22: 29 New
    +4
    At the time the so-called “Ichkeria” arose, the Chechen Republic was part of the Russian Federation.
    The rebellious region has become a gangster enclave.
    The reason for the outbreak of hostilities, initially, was not because they showed rebellion, but because Moscow bankers threw the Chechens corny. False memos remember?
    An attempt by Moscow crooks to transfer all the arrows to the Chechens led to the fact that the bankers were simply shot.
    Yeltsin "listened" to the request of the workers and gave the task to eliminate the enclave.
    Paragraph.
    Putin carefully listened to the proposal of his advisers and realized that the experience of Ermolov should be taken into service.
    Paragraph.
    The attitude of a simple Chechen to a simple Russian (Ukrainian, Belarusian, etc.) was indifferent.
    Their paths simply did not intersect.
    But after the explosions of houses, trains, subways, etc. attitude of course became sharply negative.
    What is it now?
    Mostly benevolent.
    But there is a paradox.
    Not only Slavs are squeezed out of Chechnya, but also Chechens who are in those clans that became the "bloodlines" of the Kadyrov clan.
    And they now live in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg and other large cities, where there is the opportunity to cut coupons.

    This is about the Chechens.
    And the Ukrainians.
    Unlike Chechens, Ukrainians are trying to put the dominant message in their heads - Russians are not brothers, Russians are oppressors, Russians are enemies.
    All the troubles from the Russians. There is cheap gas - bad. Became expensive gas - bad.
    The sun rises over Russia - bad. Sits in the west - Russia is to blame.
    Absurd? Yes, but he is in the heads of the Selyuk.
    To send troops into Ukraine and force it to reformat is not realistic.
    We just won’t stretch this burden.
    Wherein.
    In Chechnya, help was from abroad, but secretly.
    And in Ukraine, help is open. Like a free state.
    And changing the situation on the example of Chechnya is unlikely to succeed.
    Not the case.
    War is required in Ukraine itself.
    The complete removal of the cancerous tumor of Nazism and nationalism.
    When there will be devastation, hunger, blood will flow like a river along the street - then they will remember about brothers and sisters, and about relatives.
    There will be no purification, there will be no fraternal people.
    But there is a chance that sponsors of the cancer corps might intervene and then things will get worse.
    That's the whole report for the coming dream.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 23: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: demo
      Putin carefully listened to the proposal of his advisers and realized that the experience of Ermolov should be taken into service.

      Maybe I understood, but I did not take the experience. Suffice it to recall Ullman. Or Budanova.
    2. Natalia777
      Natalia777 22 October 2017 11: 02 New
      0
      I do not agree with your assessment of the events in Chechnya. You confuse the means of conflict with the cause of the conflict. Not a conflict occurred due to negative events, but non-talive events were planned and organized to trigger a conflict. Yeltsin and the Company are US puppets, radical Chechen Islamists are also US puppets, even if they themselves did not suspect this. Dudaev and Company are puppets of the USA. The US hybrid war against Russia began on many fronts - and Chechnya is one of the fronts. And all sorts of different banking frauds, murders of Russians, genocide of dissenting citizens, terrorist acts, hostages - this is a means of inciting, poisoning and setting off.
  29. Vladimir V.
    Vladimir V. 17 October 2017 23: 02 New
    +4
    An article, in general, about nothing. Normal demagogy of a Ukrainian, preoccupied with gastrointestinal.
    But, firstly, I would like to draw attention to, tc, the fashion trend of the season - a gradually promoted idea of ​​Ukraine as part of Russia and the Ukrainian people as part of Russian. Whereas the second is nothing more than a propaganda cliche, and the first had nothing to do with reality either in the last quarter century, or even earlier. It is for this reason that they are pulling Chechnya over and over the globe of Ukraine over and over again. In general - hello, I'm your aunt, I came from Kiev and will live with you.
    Secondly, all these new Russian bloggers fled from Ukraine, but for some reason they prefer to “work” not with Ukrainians, but with Russians. And “to change the information field” is not “not only”, but only here, Pharisee’s reasoning about “pitting two fraternal peoples”. Although just the Russians and Ukrainians are not pitted by anyone. And they never shouted "Khokhlyak on a dime", they do not shout now and will not shout.
    I recommend the author to look for friendship and friendship where they are lost, and not where the lighting is better.
    1. dep071
      dep071 18 October 2017 08: 49 New
      0
      You would put a hundred pluses !!!
  30. Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 October 2017 05: 26 New
    +1
    It is necessary to clean the gentlemen and their American PADS ... TO REMOVE IN UKRAINE!
  31. dep071
    dep071 18 October 2017 09: 13 New
    +2
    Today, one of the most painful places in Russia is Ukraine.
    - this is yeah, I wasn’t in the know !!!! And what is your understanding of Russia? In addition to Moscow, is there still the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, or is it something mixed up?
    A sore spot is Ukraine itself for itself !!! And the war in your territory is far from for ideals, but making money on human lives, which was also the case in the Chechen war. After all, if you give the opportunity to agree among themselves to people who are on the battlefield, any conflict would cease in a week. But politics, commercial interest prolongs the bloodshed, because soldiers go into battle by order of the one who is never seen. And to set off on the basis of nationalism or some other reason to find, you can also siblings !!!
  32. Altona
    Altona 18 October 2017 13: 56 New
    0
    Quote: alexxxz
    The relationship between the Little Russians (I do not recognize the word Ukrainian) and the Great Russians is as old as the world.

    --------------------------------------
    The separation of the USSR as an empire took place according to one scenario and with one uncomplicated slogan. “Drive the Russians out — you will have it like in the Emirates” - this is for Chechnya. “Expel the Russians, you will have it like in Munich” - this is for Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltic states. “Drive the Russians out — you will have it like in Shanghai and Hong Kong” - this is for Central Asians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks. The result we see — Shanghai and Munich are growing right before our eyes, only in Russia, where non-slaves and non-brothers go to construction sites.
  33. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 October 2017 15: 22 New
    0
    The author bears. "Dizziness from success" probably. Experience. Victory. Be careful with high words. No experience yet. There is an experiment. Process. Which goes and it is not known how it will end if the conditions change.
  34. max702
    max702 18 October 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    Lganhi,
    Lganhi,
    Quote: Lgankhi
    Bender is not a reader, Bendro is a writer!

    BANDOVER !!! From Bandera! Bender This is a city in Transnistria! Learn the materiel! How much can you remind about this?
  35. offensive acid
    offensive acid 18 October 2017 22: 12 New
    0
    I read this in comments and it became bitter and scary, with such "experts" the country can be completely and irrevocably ruined. What lesson can be learned from Ichkeria and the DLNR, (the nature of their occurrence is different, but the essence of life processes is the same). You will destroy statehood with its apparatus and mechanism of influence and you will receive Ichkeria instead of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR, and the DNI and LNR instead of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. It is necessary to solve the problem before it appears, there is no prophylaxis, there are no tools for diagnosing and stopping emerging diseases. That's what you need to work on. Otherwise, then you will have to solve problems as always, either with money or blood, and then with the Russian people.
  36. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 19 October 2017 09: 49 New
    0
    Yuri, you’ll excuse me, but the text is very weak. This is even without taking into account absolutely, I emphasize completely different situations of Donbass-Chechnya. Well, at least such a difference: is it possible that pro-government forces marched in Moscow and other cities of Russia with a cry of "Chechen for a dime"? After which at least people can understand the "Chechen" or "Muscovite". Yes, in the Donbas separatism, BUT separatism forced by the threat of genocide from the central government. Or do you argue in the style of Kovtun / Yakhno - where did you see the Banderite people here?)) That is, the Chechens themselves wanted to secede, without provocation from the center. and the Donbass was strongly invited to this, namely the Kiev authorities (outside the brackets about its legitimacy - who has the rifle and the authorities). Or "language laws are not enough for you," but let me remind you, what is the first BP decision after the Maidan? The abolition of the law on regional languages, and then the prospectuses / monuments / memorials to Bandera / Shukhevych / Petliura ... with touching stories about how the "liquid Kohali" + OUN / UPA marches throughout the country + real terms for those who deny "UPA heroism " So maybe the active part of the population of Donbass did not want to live under Nazism? About the "Ukraine ponaduserii" yell? Maybe this is the root of the separation (separatism. Separation) ?? Think, what should Ukrainian society do to end the civil war? While in this society there is a consensus - there are more Javelins to us! Maybe in the 90s it was like that? Well, if the difference is in everything, then why compare the incomparable ??
  37. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 19 October 2017 14: 00 New
    0
    Quote: MoJloT
    ... 80% of the inhabitants of Ukraine consider us enemies.


    Where did you get such accurate statistics of Ukrainian hatred of Russians? Do you live there?
    1. Natalia777
      Natalia777 22 October 2017 10: 49 New
      0
      Yes, he is lying. There are survey results. Even being in fear of the Nazis - 43% were in favor of Russia. And if you weren’t afraid, then the figures were the same as when voting in the Donbass — where 83% voted against the Junta and for Russia.
  38. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 19 October 2017 14: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Lgankhi
    But didn’t the people of Ukraine ride tens of thousands on the Maidan all over Ukraine? Is not the people of Ukraine cast 56% of the vote bendera.


    No, it was not the people who rode, but the individual, stubborn individuals. No, it was not the people who raised money for Nazi formations, but, again, some stubborn individuals. No, in 2014 not in all shops, schools, hospitals and other institutions there were boxes for donations to ATO fighters. Have you seen all this personally? Not? So why affirm what is an outright lie?

    And not the people of Ukraine chose Poroshenko as president. Remember how much noise there was about rigging the election results. Forgot? Then, after all, commentators like you wrote the exact opposite.

    It’s just that over the past years, you and the couch analysts like you forgot how to separate the Nazi racket from the people among whom you have not lived a day in your life. In their hatred of all the people of Ukraine - including to children and the elderly, he is also a people! - You even forgot how the word “Bandera” is spelled correctly, again unjustly insulting the inhabitants of the ancient city of Bender. So how do you differ from Ukrainian Nazis and their propagandists in this case? Answer this question at least for yourself.
    1. Lganhi
      Lganhi 19 October 2017 17: 48 New
      0
      Are you a writer, not a reader? I’ve written a hundred times that I’m writing "Bender" so that the Natsik dups vomit that the name of their movement and the name of their "hero" are contorted :)))). And you definitely tear the dupole :))))).
      And by the way, I lived in Kiev three years ago and saw it all myself. Where did you live? At a farm in the Zhytomyr region?
  39. Kotleopold
    Kotleopold 19 October 2017 14: 33 New
    +2
    To solve the Ukrainian problem according to the Chechen scenario, we need Ukrainian Ramzan, which will either eliminate or disperse from the country all those who do not want to behave normally and live according to the Law.

    But this is bad luck: the inhabitants of Ukraine do not have that main thing in the so-called. the Chechen scenario, what happened, is and will be among the Chechens - unquestioning clan subordination. For only in this case the density of those who have their own opinion per square kilometer tends to zero, and if anyone even has it, then in public they prefer not to talk, but to keep quiet in a rag.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 23 October 2017 04: 28 New
      0
      Ramzan made a PR, and before Ramzan there was Akhmat, and he also made a PR from Moscow.
      And in Ukraine, you can take any normal person and pump him for half a year so that they will pray there, like Poklonskaya on Nikolai the 2nd!
  40. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 19 October 2017 21: 00 New
    0
    A glimpse more deeply into the problem is not fate? Why shouldn't the author ask himself: “Why is this happening?”
    This is exactly what is going on:
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/110700/20577/-
  41. fif21
    fif21 19 October 2017 21: 09 New
    0
    The Russian Federation had the wisdom to separate Chechnya (General Lebed, Khasavyurt) And only the invasion of Chechen fighters in Dagestan (which is part of the Russian Federation) gave Russia the right to conduct a military operation. But is Ukraine wise enough to recognize the separation of Crimea and Donbass? Conclusion - according to the Chechen scenario, the situation in Ukraine will not develop. hi
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 23 October 2017 04: 30 New
      0
      In my opinion you are a little confused.

      The author considers Ukraine as one of the republics of the Russian Federation and compares Chechnya and Ukraine in this context.
  42. tank64rus
    tank64rus 19 October 2017 21: 31 New
    0
    There will be a strong and authoritative power (not to be confused with the authority of authorities) we will be together, but if the power is the same as under the hunchback and EBN, then there will be ruin again.
  43. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 20 October 2017 12: 01 New
    +1
    The essence of Mr. Podolyak’s article is simple - Give money and everything will be okay in Ukraine.
  44. valerei
    valerei 21 October 2017 19: 01 New
    +1
    Here they are again talking about Chechnya. What kind of experience are we talking about! In the film, two Chechen boys complain about the bad reception in Moscow. Apparently they don’t even imagine what the Russians survived when the Chechens slaughtered them in Grozny! Tens of thousands who died as a result of two Chechen wars, and who started? Chechnya deservedly deserved, but, to my great regret, if the Americans had not considered its territory as a springboard for the collapse of Russia, then 100% of the Russian population would gladly have given them in the ass, to "independence." It's not for nothing that I wrote this in quotation marks, because the Chechens would not have received it. No one would let them live on their own. Chechnya would constantly live in a state of continuous war with Russia, and these two boys would have long been running through the mountains with machine guns. In order for the Russians to at least think about a good attitude towards the Chechens, it is necessary for Ramzan to take the first and most important step: to apologize to the Russians and ask for forgiveness for the massacre. If he is truly a statesman, then he will do it. However, a lot of time has passed, and this thought has not yet occurred to him, and probably will not. Our bear will never make friends with their wolf. No matter how much the wolf feeds, he still looks into the forest.
    1. Natalia777
      Natalia777 22 October 2017 10: 36 New
      0
      You are kindling in vain. The massacre in Chechnya was prepared from outside and there is no need to spread the guilt of individual shaitans to the entire Chechen people. Most Chechens did not participate in the massacre and saved the Russians. The people of the USSR grew up in greenhouse conditions and were not vaccinated against hybrid warfare. This terrible technology of the West is now launched in Ukraine, and as you see there, even the Russians have been turned into Svidomo fascists who kill Russian and Ukrainian children and burn people in Odessa in front of the whole World. What even was not in Chechnya. So, the events in Chechnya must be approached taking into account the interference of the West. And judge everyone based on the real situation. Nobody justifies the Chechens who fell for the Western bait and became radical bandits. But they have already received their own and most lie in the ground. But the bear and the wolf made friends and together they beat the common enemy - the American ISIS in Syria.
  45. Natalia777
    Natalia777 22 October 2017 10: 25 New
    0
    Unfortunately, the West managed to arrange a hybrid war in Chechnya aimed at the separation of the Chechen and Russian peoples. It is good that the West did not succeed in bringing the matter to an end. I believe that the Chechen people cannot survive without Russia, since the West needs them only as cannon fodder. The Russians, on the contrary, treat the Chechens and all the peoples of the Caucasus with care and respect. In the USSR, the number of Chechens increased by 8 times. Like all the peoples of the USSR, and now Russia, Chechens are given freedom of religion, the opportunity to preserve their cultural traditions and speak their native language. The Russians highly value the Chechens as defenders of the borders of the Russian Federation. It is the Chechens who are the first to take on the attacks of radical Islamist terrorists. Russians and Russians worship such heroes as Nurbagandov and many other Chechens who gave their lives in the fight against terrorists. Nurbagandov’s last wish, “Work Brothers,” became world famous. I hope friendship and unity will prevail in Ukraine.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 23 October 2017 04: 37 New
      0
      Russia subjugated the Caucasian peoples only in order to stop the constant raids and robberies from the south.

      From this we can draw the simplest conclusion. It is impossible to respect the cutthroats with whom they fought for more than one century.

      But in any case, you have to live together, so you need to somehow build relationships and be more tolerant.

      Pay tribute and endure%)
  46. yashka12007
    yashka12007 23 October 2017 16: 11 New
    0
    You are already sick of this fraternal nation. With a stretch, you can still be considered Russian brothers from the eastern regions of Ukraine, but we don’t care about any Galicians, etc., even if they eat their children from hunger.