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American snipers armed with German rifles

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According to the portal armyrecognition.com, as part of the AUSA 2017 exhibition in Washington, Heckler & Koch showed the M110A1 rifle.


M110 rifles manufactured by the American company Knight's Armament Company entered service with the US Army in 2008 year. Soldiers who used M110 under combat conditions complained about the poor accuracy, unreliability and fragility of M110 (after 500 shots, the accuracy of fire dropped sharply). Therefore, in 2014, the US Department of Defense announced a new tender for the purchase of compact .308 Win (7,62 × 51 NATO) caliber compact semi-automatic sniper rifles, which can be effectively used to shoot from distances to 1000 m, and will also be lighter and more compact than the M110.

American snipers armed with German rifles

M110A1 rifle


In April 2016, the US Department of Defense named the German company Heckler & Koch the winner of the CSASS tender. To replace the M110, the army adopted an upgraded version of the HK G28 rifle, designated M110A1.



The Heckler & Koch G28 sniper rifle was developed by order of the Bundeswehr. The G28 employs a short-stroke, butterfly valve, gas-operated automation. The shooter can change the settings of the gas regulator, which makes it possible to effectively use the silencer. The G28 rifle is available in two versions: "standard" and "patrol", which differ from each other only in the basic set of accessories. The effective firing range is about 600 m at the chest target and about 800 m at the growth target. When firing a series of ten shots from a distance of 100 m, the maximum dispersion was 4,5 cm, which corresponds to 1,5 angular minutes.

The length of the G28 rifle is 965 – 1082 mm (varies due to the use of the telescopic butt), the barrel length is 420 mm. Weight weapons in the "standard" configuration is 5,8 kg, in the "patrol" - 5,15 kg. G28 has only semi-automatic mode of fire and can be equipped with 10- and 20-charging stores, reports "Warspot"
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  1. reservist
    reservist 12 October 2017 10: 58 New
    +3
    Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad.
    There is no mind. Go to them less and less.
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 12 October 2017 11: 03 New
      +7
      A good sniper is piece goods. A lot is not necessary. You can arm a really good weapon.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 12 October 2017 11: 11 New
        +5
        This is an infantry sniper rifle, so you just need a lot of them.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 12 October 2017 11: 49 New
          +2
          This is an infantry sniper rifle

          If you specify, the sniper rifle, but not a sniper rifle. This is a rifle of high accuracy, gross production. And for this class of weapons, one of the most important indicators is the "injury resistance" IMHO
          What I mean? Weapons, during operation, are exposed to external shock loads (impacts and falls). If after that it retains the ability not only to shoot, but also to “hit”, then this is normal.
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 19 New
            +7
            Quote: Kerensky
            This is an infantry sniper rifle

            If you specify, the sniper rifle, but not a sniper rifle. This is a rifle of high accuracy, gross production. And for this class of weapons, one of the most important indicators is the "injury resistance" IMHO
            What I mean? Weapons, during operation, are exposed to external shock loads (impacts and falls). If after that it retains the ability not only to shoot, but also to “hit”, then this is normal.


            There is even a separate term for this type of weapon - English. Designated Marksman Rifle, DMR
            - Marxman rifle.
            The Marxman rifle (Designated Marksman Rifle, DMR) is an infantry sniper (“Marxman”) weapon that occupies an intermediate position between conventional small arms and heavy, high-precision non-automatic sniper rifles with a longitudinally sliding, rotary bolt, under ammunition of increased power.

            Designed to solve the problems of fire support units in the offensive at small and medium distances. In Russia, the SVD rifle occupies this place in the small arms system of the Republic of Armenia. Another name, common, mainly in the European countries of NATO, is “tactical support weapon”.

            These rifles are more effective compared to assault rifles, due to the higher accuracy, accuracy and probability of hitting a typical target per unit of time, at ranges greater than the effective range of the machine gun (400-600 meters), but due to their low weight (4-5 kg ) unlike heavy large-caliber sniper rifles (8-12kg) for .338Lapua and 12.7x99 Browning / 12,7x108 DShK cartridges, designed for firing from equipped firing positions at long ranges (800 m and beyond), they allow you to quickly change the firing position, if necessary , to fire from hands, from unstable positions, on the move, supporting the fire of his unit.

            Usually equipped with bipods and a telescopic sight of low magnification (4-6x). Unlike counter-sniper rifles with a longitudinally sliding bolt, Marxman rifles are usually self-loading and have a large magazine capacity - 10, 20 or 30 rounds, depending on the type of rifle.

            That is, speaking in Russian - this is a semi-automatic rifle for high-precision shooting - SVD falls into this series of small arms, although it does not have a heavy barrel.

            The article deals specifically with the replacement of the not entirely successful M110 Marxman rifle.
        2. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: CentDo
          This is an infantry sniper rifle, so you just need a lot of them.


          More precisely - arrows.
          A pair of shooters in the unit significantly increases its effectiveness
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 11 New
            +3

            These guys are shooting from the trophy.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 October 2017 20: 07 New
            +3
            They called us: "attacking snipers." And they were with M14. And sometimes just with the M16, on which they put an optical sight, legs and a nozzle on the butt. They were required to knock out unarmored targets at distances of 400-700 m. They moved along with infantry and as part of fire support groups along with machine gunners.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 October 2017 11: 06 New
      +6
      They have been selling 50 shooters for years already. Part of it is collected, part is bought ready-made.

      The legendary army M9 is Beretta 92.
      1. figwam
        figwam 12 October 2017 11: 27 New
        +2
        M-16 is also a continuation of the MP-44.
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 12 October 2017 11: 55 New
        +7
        especially with German gunsmiths, you can still recall mp5))
    3. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 11: 43 New
      +6
      Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad

      this particular instance based on the stoner circuit ... i.e. the same AR-noid ... and German quality has not been discussed for a long time ... plus the Germans, at least their elite is accountable to the Americans from the word completely .....
      1. reservist
        reservist 12 October 2017 16: 26 New
        +1
        and German quality has not been discussed for a long time ...

        Output quality is possible.
        And in the intermediate stages - sometimes it reaches 100% of the marriage.
        Then they will sort it several times and the result is “German quality”
        1. 32363
          32363 12 October 2017 17: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: reservist
          and German quality has not been discussed for a long time ...

          Output quality is possible.
          And in the intermediate stages - sometimes it reaches 100% of the marriage.
          Then they will sort it several times and the result is “German quality”

          you speak for Germans or for whom? if the marriage at the stage reaches 100%, then the supplier or the one who does it is changing, it’s too expensive to pay for someone’s jambs. We have the parts at the stage of preparation pass ultrasound and ultraviolet for cracks and voids and again before sending to the customer or assembling the parts on site.
          1. reservist
            reservist 12 October 2017 17: 45 New
            +3
            I have been living in Germany for 19 years, I worked in the life company at many enterprises, large and small.
            About marriage 100%: worked in the packaging workshop. I come to replace, and the products are defective. I reported to the shift supervisor, and the whole management already knows about it.
            But ... Transport aircraft from the United States are already waiting at the airport and all defective products have been sent. They said that until they figure it out, here we will fix the defect.
            There were financial losses, but they met the deadline. And nothing. The company is still operating.
            Many cases of “hooliganism” and sabotage were also seen, moreover, from native Germans.
            There is such a saying: "For such a small salary, I still have to hurt."
            1. 32363
              32363 12 October 2017 19: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: reservist
              I have been living in Germany for 19 years, I worked in the life company at many enterprises, large and small.
              About marriage 100%: worked in the packaging workshop. I come to replace, and the products are defective. I reported to the shift supervisor, and the whole management already knows about it.
              But ... Transport aircraft from the United States are already waiting at the airport and all defective products have been sent. They said that until they figure it out, here we will fix the defect.
              There were financial losses, but they met the deadline. And nothing. The company is still operating.
              Many cases of “hooliganism” and sabotage were also seen, moreover, from native Germans.
              There is such a saying: "For such a small salary, I still have to hurt."

              laughing a packer who can determine a visually high-quality product, whether he packs it or not ... it's 5))) what kind of packaging I think will not be a secret, since you have there the barkers (temporary workers) did the packing? our packing shop is a customs zone, where not only the barkers, but they will not be allowed to leave their own.
              1. reservist
                reservist 12 October 2017 19: 21 New
                +4
                My education is higher technical and recognized in Germany as German.
                I have 4 inventions. But I had to hide it for a long time.
                As soon as they found out about this, they fired and said that I should work only as an engineer. But I do not know German well. If you really want to - I can send a scan of the diploma, Annerkennung and invention.
                PS "Humor" is not appropriate here, at least by age ...
                1. 32363
                  32363 12 October 2017 19: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: reservist
                  My education is higher technical and recognized in Germany as German.
                  I have 4 inventions. But I had to hide it for a long time.
                  As soon as they found out about this, they fired and said that I should work only as an engineer. But I do not know German well. If you really want to - I can send a scan of the diploma, Annerkennung and invention.
                  PS "Humor" is not appropriate here, at least by age ...

                  Well, think it yourself, if you noticed a marriage, it means it was some kind of uncomplicated part such as shtamovki, casting, well, or something like that, some kind of complex part / mechanism assembled from several small ones, I will never believe that they will be allowed to sell.
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 12 October 2017 19: 42 New
                    +1
                    The product is a special multilayer bag for loose aggressive substances.
                    And I did not have to recognize, the shift supervisor ordered - I did.
                    The authorities were in the know.
                  2. sabakina
                    sabakina 12 October 2017 19: 47 New
                    +5
                    Guys. maybe better talk about Panther? wink And then still fight ...
                    1. 32363
                      32363 12 October 2017 19: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Guys. maybe better talk about Panther? wink And then still fight ...

                      easily))) a clear tank from the company MAN
                      1. sabakina
                        sabakina 12 October 2017 19: 53 New
                        +4
                        Quote: 32363
                        easily))) a clear tank from the company MAN

                        Why in the verses then?
                      2. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 12 October 2017 21: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: 32363
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Guys. maybe better talk about Panther? wink And then still fight ...

                        easily))) a clear tank from the company MAN

                        Is it that who did not always get to the front line - spontaneously ignited on the road? And for repairs already had to carry to the Czech Republic? lol
                    2. reservist
                      reservist 12 October 2017 19: 52 New
                      +1
                      Tovarisch is somewhat vulnerable, wants to establish the status quo. winked
                      1. sabakina
                        sabakina 12 October 2017 19: 56 New
                        +4
                        Quote: reservist
                        Tovarisch is somewhat vulnerable, wants to establish the status quo. winked

                        Look, as if the Berlin wall between you did not have to be erected ... Shaw, I have to put up with everyone ...
                      2. 32363
                        32363 12 October 2017 20: 02 New
                        +1
                        Quote: reservist
                        Tovarisch is somewhat vulnerable, wants to establish the status quo. winked

                        Yes, I thought you, too, have a bearing on German iron industry, giving out information that the Germans are selling bullshit, but it turned out we were talking about packages)).
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    4. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 11: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: reservist
      Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad.
      There is no mind. Go to them less and less.


      Before writing nonsense:
      The Ministry of Defense buys two consignments of Austrian Glock pistols for the Senezh Special Forces, which performs top-secret military missions on direct instructions from the Minister of Defense.

      As the editor-in-chief of the Kalashnikov magazine Mikhail Degtyarev explained to the Izvestia newspaper, the Glok-17 pistols were needed by the special forces for trouble-free shooting, since Russian pistols are not yet reliable. M. Degtyarev said that spetsnaz fighters have many complaints about Yarygin’s pistol, which are explained by incomplete debugging of serial production of the model.

      One of the commandos confirmed that Yarygin’s pistol was not suitable for special missions - the jammed “Yarygin” was clutched in the hand of a soldier who had recently died in the North Caucasus. After that, it was decided to purchase Gloki. Special forces soldiers must be absolutely confident in their weapons. In the case of Glock, the quality and combat properties of the pistol are confirmed by the experience of successful operation at the FSB Special Purpose Center (Alpha and Vympel).

      This does not mean that Russia is "blown away" - a weapon for special forces, for the army should be consistent with the professionalism of its soldiers - the guys should be protected.
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 16: 28 New
        +3
        and not only .. in special cases and M16A3 use other samples ... hi
    5. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 34 New
      +3

      Finally, the rifle entered the troops in 2008. The M110 rifle was used quite intensively in combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. As of today, it is known that the following complaints were received from the troops on the M110 model:

      Weapon Insecurity
      Poor spare parts supply
      Locking problems
      Poor quality control
      Lack of accuracy
      Low durability
      It was also reported that part of the rifles was disassembled to replenish spare parts for the remaining rifles. The barrel, according to users, there are not enough racks, accuracy was observed in firing 500 shots, which led to the replacement of the barrel.
      In 2016, the American army abandoned the M110, and now the marines and army special forces are looking for a replacement.
    6. Max otto
      Max otto 12 October 2017 13: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: reservist
      Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad.
      There is no mind. Go to them less and less.

      This office is located in the states and in Germany. They did not surrender anything to anyone. all with them.
    7. Maz
      Maz 12 October 2017 16: 19 New
      0
      A Shozh Israeli did not take a rifle? Does her same bullet fly along an elusive missile trajectory? Where the Jewish lobby in the US Congress and Senate looks! Pentagon Shame!
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2017 11: 04 New
    +2
    Looks good...
  3. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 12 October 2017 11: 19 New
    +3
    1,5 arcminutes - a rather mediocre rifle, apparently inexpensive
    1. CentDo
      CentDo 12 October 2017 11: 36 New
      +6
      Twice as accurate as SVD
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 October 2017 11: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: CentDo
        Twice as accurate as SVD

        When did you develop the SVD? M. And look at the cost of these rifles, as well as compare the resistance to pollution and reliability.
        Now we are also doing replacement for SVD-UHF for sniper rifles (Chukavin's sniper rifle)

        Here with the microwave and compare. hi
        1. CentDo
          CentDo 12 October 2017 11: 59 New
          +4
          Already doing it right? In my opinion, these are only Kalashnikov’s fantasies. Moreover, I never said that SVD is bad.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 October 2017 12: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: CentDo
            Already doing it right?

            Microwave, or what is her name, ICS, was developed on an initiative basis to replace the SVD in combat units. As far as I know, the Moscow Region is just about to replace the SVD with something more modern and more accurate. But judging by the fact that the microwave oven is relatively not expensive in production and the Kalashnikov concern is ready to put it in series with the Fas team, it is most likely it that will replace the SVD. Other domestic candidates such as Precision, Orsis, Lobaev’s rifles are either expensive, given the mass production for the army, or are complex. And therefore, I believe, it is the microwave that will go into the troops.
            Quote: CentDo
            Moreover, I never said that SVD is bad.

            What is this?
            Quote: CentDo
            Twice as accurate as SVD

            And here is the microwave information ...
            Advantages:
            unification within the family (small-sized assault rifle + rifle);
            performance in three popular calibres;
            principle of "linear return";
            a long and firmly set Picatinny rail;
            widespread use of plastics, increasing manufacturability;
            high-capacity stores;
            adjustable and folding butt;
            two-way management;
            the ability to install a low-noise shooting device.
            Disadvantages:
            short trunk;
            use of imported components (bipod);
            lack of a civilian version at the moment.
            -------------------------------------------------
            -------------------------------------------------
            -----------------------------
            Performance characteristics
            designation
            microwave
            Alternative notation
            SVK
            developer
            KOTs Kalashnikov Concern JSC, project manager A.Yu. Chukavin
            Manufacturer
            JSC Concern "Kalashnikov"
            Type of weapon
            sniper rifle
            System
            self-loading weapon with a sliding bolt
            Caliber
            7,62 x 54R mm, as well as 7,62 x 51 mm (.308 Win) and 8,6 x 70 mm (.338 LM)
            The weight
            4,2 kg
            Length
            955-1015 mm (740 mm with folded butt)
            Barrel length
            410 mm
            Effective firing range
            800-1000 m
            Heap
            30 mm per 100 m (1 MOA)
            Food
            detachable box magazine for 10, 15 or 20 rounds
            Aim
            optical, Picatinny rail MIL-STD-1913
            1. CentDo
              CentDo 12 October 2017 12: 42 New
              +2
              That is, a statement of the fact that the presented rifle is more accurate, somehow diminishes the dignity of the SVD? Do not attribute to other people what they did not say.
              And you will paint the advantages of the microwave when it will be adopted. So far this is only your imagination.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 12 October 2017 12: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: CentDo
                That is, a statement of the fact that the presented rifle is more accurate, somehow diminishes the dignity of the SVD?

                It is clever to compare the rifle that was created in 63, (taking into account those requirements and threats) and the modern one that was created already in this century. By your logic, captain evidence, we can say that a rocket is better than a nucleus.
                Quote: CentDo
                And you will paint the advantages of the microwave when it will be adopted. So far this is only your imagination.

                Dear, these are not my fantasies, but the reality for today ... The Moscow Region declared that it was long overdue to replace the SVD and create a new combat sniper rifle, taking into account new realities and tasks. To date, only microwave is suitable for this role. Other candidates are either expensive or complicated, as I said. There will be state tests, and we'll talk there.
                1. CentDo
                  CentDo 12 October 2017 13: 09 New
                  +1
                  Are you really or just pretending to be? My comment was a response to the claim that 1,5 MOA is an indicator of the mediocrity of M110A1. And if the SVD is still in service, then this rifle can’t be called mediocre (in terms of accuracy).
                  About the need to replace the SVD, our Defense Ministry says hell knows how many years, but that's how it stood in service, and it costs. How did you get the idea that now something will change? Did the Minister of Defense personally tell you at the last friendly gatherings?
            2. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 42 New
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Microwave, or what is her name, ICS, was developed on an initiative basis to replace the SVD in combat units. As far as I know, the Moscow Region is just about to replace the SVD with something more modern and more accurate.


              The SVD barrel has a length of 550 millimeters. The same parameter for microwave is 410 millimeters. Here, the defenders of the novelty have essentially nothing to cover - physics and ballistics cannot be got anywhere. No high-tech "radial pressing" can change this situation.

              The design of the new product raises many questions. In many ways, the “oak” Dragunov rifle allowed work with heavy contamination of the trigger mechanism and was very reliable and tenacious. The trigger mechanism suspended in the receiver requires close attention and care.

              Tests have not yet been carried out (factory only) - therefore, the microwave oven is a dark horse.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 12 October 2017 13: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                The SVD barrel has a length of 550 millimeters. The same parameter for microwave is 410 millimeters. Here, the defenders of the novelty have essentially nothing to cover - physics and ballistics cannot be got anywhere.

                During state tests, this rifle will be finalized. And I see no problems to extend the barrel from 410 mm to 500 mm, which will undoubtedly add accuracy to it.
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 12 October 2017 12: 33 New
          +6
          Here with the microwave and compare.
          Well, according to the data claimed, the comparison is not in favor of the Germans
          The accuracy declared by the manufacturer when using sniper cartridges in both versions is no more than 30 mm per 100 meters (1 MOA).
      2. Maz
        Maz 12 October 2017 16: 29 New
        0
        Quote: CentDo
        Twice as accurate as SVD

        Yeah, more precisely, it’s easier, more beautiful, frost is more stable, cheaper, easier to maintain, and she also has a weather complex, built-in ballistic computer and computer input of corrections, she finds the goals herself, sees everything at night, the Internet, Facebook, twitter, heated butt, .....
      3. bunta
        bunta 13 October 2017 07: 06 New
        +1
        Not "twice as accurate as SVD," but the US cartridge is "two" times as accurate as gross domestic. And three times more expensive.
    2. 32363
      32363 12 October 2017 13: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: _Ugene_
      1,5 arcminutes - a rather mediocre rifle, apparently inexpensive

      but how much is normal for you for self-loading and bolt-ons, is there some kind of table?
      1.5 arc minutes I have a M98 M41 rifle with a rifle, 100 years of production (open sight, XNUMXm) the usual result.
  4. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 12 October 2017 11: 34 New
    +5
    The SVD has a spread of 8 cm in the passport, and they get almost 2 times more accurate!
    1. Gogia
      Gogia 12 October 2017 11: 47 New
      +4
      The main thing is to write what ammunition was shot ... 0.308 Win they have a special ammunition, which is just for accurate shooting, and the SVD is shot with the usual 7.62 / 54R of zinc, which goes for machine guns and everything else. If you shoot from SVD with special cartridges, then the accuracy increases greatly. I was told that from zinc, the cartridges differ even in weight up to 0,2 grams - this means that the bullet can weigh differently and the charge is different - this is where the accuracy comes from ... Again, the difference in approach is visible.
      1. Qazaq 1974
        Qazaq 1974 12 October 2017 17: 27 New
        +1
        .308 Win is a standard NATO cartridge - 7.62x51 mm.!
        there is still - .300 WinMag (7.62x67 mm), .338LM (8.6x70 mm), .408 Chey Tac, (10,3 × 77 mm), .50BMG (12.7x99 mm) and others ......

        Usually SNS or EXTRA are used for SVD, there were no complaints about Soviet-made cartridges, it’s another matter that SVD is generally a semiautomatic device and MOA is 2,7. but for example sn. rifle with a sliding bolt Sako TRG M10 0.3 MOA!
    2. AndreyS
      AndreyS 12 October 2017 11: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      The SVD has a spread of 8 cm in the passport, and they get almost 2 times more accurate!

      I want to note to you a respected passport from SVD, and the article says that "... When shooting a series of ten shots from a distance of 100 m, the maximum dispersion was 4,5 cm, which corresponds to 1,5 angular minutes ..." I can notice that from SVD it’s quite possible to make the same series. And now, what's interesting "... Heckler sniper rifle - Koch HK G28 created on the basis of the sports and hunting self-loading rifle HK MR308, which, in turn, is a civilian version of the HK 417 automatic rifle ... "
    3. Maz
      Maz 12 October 2017 16: 31 New
      0
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      The SVD has a spread of 8 cm in the passport, and they get almost 2 times more accurate!

      We do not have svd, we have svdm, there is no data on it
  5. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 11: 39 New
    +4
    Thing!
    A very effective system - all that is needed for a shooter at a distance of up to 1000 m.
    1.5 arc minutes - this is also quite possible to hit the head target from 600 m.
    It remains to be regretted that our fighters do not have the same effective complex.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 12 October 2017 13: 09 New
      +1
      1.5 arc minutes - this is also quite possible to hit the head target from 600 m.

      This is not required. It is enough that the rifle is initially ready for battle and should be “coyp” in production. But I did not notice the bayonet. Interesting - included in the kit?
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 October 2017 13: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      It remains to be regretted that our fighters do not have the same effective complex.

      He is (bearing in mind the corresponding price of a mattress rifle) - this is Orsis, or let's say Saboteur (Lobaeva)

      Saboteur - Price: 388 rubles.
      Or a scalpel for example of the same Lobaev ... at a price of 434000 rubles.

      And then, while the new mattress rifle is not in the army. Therefore, it’s too early to talk about something.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 14: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        He is (bearing in mind the corresponding price of a mattress rifle) - this is Orsis, or let's say Saboteur (Lobaeva)


        You will feel the difference between piece bolted DXL-2 “Scalpel” DVL-10 M1 “Saboteur” - built on borrowed bolts / triggers and semi-automatic high-precision rifles with a weighted barrel, mass production - and designed for army use in appropriate conditions.

        Neither Scalpel nor Saboteur are intended for continuous operation in the field - rifles for special operations with a bolt lock.
        And this is a rifle to support the unit - semi-automatic, with a weighted barrel, effective at a distance of up to 1000 m (Marxman rifle).

        The bolt rifle is primitively designed and its capabilities are suitable for special operations and counter sniper fighting.
        A semi-automatic rifle is an order of magnitude more complicated and not every one is suitable for the army.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 October 2017 14: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          A semi-automatic rifle is an order of magnitude more complicated and not every one is suitable for the army.

          That's why I said that in addition to the microwave today, we have no alternative to SVD. And precisely because of this circumstance, I think it will be adopted, with some improvements. You are right that the 410 mm barrel is short ... I think if you make a 500 mm barrel, it will only get better.
          Of course, you need to watch how it behaves in case of severe pollution, when water gets in, the reaction to temperature changes, but ... with all these requirements, for some reason I think that the concern can handle it.
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 13 October 2017 12: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            That's why I said that in addition to the microwave today, we have no alternative to SVD


            And this is very sad - as they say: I would like to choose, and not take a single sample.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 13 October 2017 13: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              And this is very sad - as they say: I would like to choose, and not take a single sample.

              I agree. I honestly thought that the tar men would offer something ...
  6. Horst78
    Horst78 12 October 2017 11: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: reservist
    Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad.
    There is no mind. Go to them less and less.

    In general, the US Army has never been shy about purchasing imports. just the production of the usa should be. Well done actually.
  7. pupsik
    pupsik 12 October 2017 11: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Horst78
    Quote: reservist
    Americans for rent. Already buy weapons abroad.
    There is no mind. Go to them less and less.

    In general, the US Army has never been shy about purchasing imports. just the production of the usa should be. Well done actually.

    The gun of the Abrams tank is also, by the way, German - Rheinmetalovskaya.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 October 2017 12: 10 New
    +4
    When firing a series of ten shots from a distance of 100 m, the maximum the dispersion was 4,5 cm,
    laughing
    ... I have a hunting Tiger lays 2cm per 100 m ... something like that ...
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 12 October 2017 12: 45 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      I have a hunting Tiger lays 2cm per 100 m ... something like that ...


      The scared bear "lies", and the rifle "puts" ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 12 October 2017 12: 50 New
        +1
        DimerVladimer Today, 12:45 ↑
        Quote: aszzz888
        I have a hunting Tiger lays 2cm per 100 m ... something like that ...
        "Lies" a frightened bear, and the rifle "puts" ...

        aha ... eHspert's conclusion on the bears of the bears ... bully
  9. san4es
    san4es 12 October 2017 13: 59 New
    +2
    HK G28, designated M110
  10. DesToeR
    DesToeR 12 October 2017 14: 15 New
    +1
    Something the barrel of the M110A1 sniper rifle is short for such a cartridge - about 55 calibers. I doubt that by accuracy it will surpass SVD with its 620mm (about 81 calibres). If for SVD snipers bring a limit of 500 ... 600m, then how to shoot from such a short barrel at 800 ... 1000m? But the store for 20 rounds for SVD is an unattainable indicator.
    1. bunta
      bunta 13 October 2017 07: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: DesToeR
      But the store on 20 cartridges for SVD is an unattainable indicator.

      and on xp .... n he gave up?
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 13 October 2017 12: 10 New
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      Quote: DesToeR
      I doubt that it will surpass SVD in accuracy ... But a magazine with 20 rounds for SVD is an unattainable indicator.


      Already surpassed.
      The store is the third thing, the ability to install PBS is much more important for a sniper shooter.
  11. 32363
    32363 12 October 2017 14: 23 New
    +3
    purely in German lol the inscription on the receiver "document the number of shots"
  12. DesToeR
    DesToeR 13 October 2017 12: 56 New
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    Quote: bunta
    and on xp .... n he gave up?

    If a self-loading rifle does not need a magazine, then why make a self-loading sniper rifle? One cartridge, pens ... like a PTRD, for example.
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Already surpassed.

    We will look at the actual operation, and not the advertising statements of the factory tester, but shooting selected cartridges.
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    The store is the third thing, the ability to install PBS is much more important for a sniper shooter.

    Not the third, but one of the most important advantages of self-loading sniper rifles. If the store is not important, then why was the garden fenced? The sniper version of the "three-line", and with a new optical sight - and here you are! The military thought (and still think) differently. So, in addition to high accuracy, a sniper needs a fairly high practical rate of fire, especially for group targets.
    1. bunta
      bunta 13 October 2017 13: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: DesToeR
      If a self-loading rifle does not need a magazine

      I asked ash - why 20 SVD charging store?
  13. DesToeR
    DesToeR 13 October 2017 15: 02 New
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    Quote: bunta
    I asked ash - why 20 SVD charging store?

    I asked the poplar - why M110A1 twenty charging store?
    1. bunta
      bunta 13 October 2017 19: 01 New
      +1
      Eustace Alex. The American rifle uses American cartridges. In Soviet Soviet. The difference in the availability of flanges. If the American cartridge at the feed glides smoothly along its lower backing, then the Soviet, sorry for the obscene expression, scratches with its edge. If you increase the number of rounds in the magazine, you will need a stronger feed spring, the “flap” of the flange will increase, and this can lead to under-closing of the shutter due to the loss of energy to roll the shutter frame to overcome the “flap”.
  14. DesToeR
    DesToeR 14 October 2017 00: 45 New
    0
    Quote: bunta
    Margin difference

    Therefore, twenty charging store is an unattainable dream for SVD.
    1. bunta
      bunta 16 October 2017 13: 32 New
      +1
      Which he doesn’t need. Tell again the tale of the white bull?