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“From the statements of Lukashenka over the years it has been known that Moscow does not actively respond to the requests of the Belarusian ally for the supply of arms in the framework of bilateral cooperation. The problem is aggravated by the fact that during the recession, Belarus had to shrink the defense budget. 7 April at a meeting on the problems and prospects for the development of science Lukashenko said: “I want them (the Russian leadership) to move to ensure that they still support us in re-equipping the Belarusian army. Moreover, rearmament, or at their expense, or for a small price. ”” Naviny.by

“Our army is created without any definite goal, only because some person known to both of us does not think of a state organization without an army. Obviously, no army can function normally if there is no real enemy. ”Strugatskys. The city is doomed.

Still an interesting thing life. Sometimes you think that you understand everything, disassembled everything on some issue, but reality will always be able to surprise you with some new facet, some new turn of events. And absolutely new and unexpected. And so finally Alexander Lukashenko recalled the army, the same Belarusian. Why finally? Well, in general, army construction should be carried out continuously and continuously. At least if your country does not claim to be a "banana republic." For the year there is little to do, and even for 2, you will not achieve much.

I love, you know, this is a Japanese expression that an army must be created ten years to win the battle in one day. That is, it is advisable to engage in all these army affairs very well in advance (long before the war). Then it is usually "a little late." The idea at the very last moment to stamp the magical "vundervafly" and arm them with yellow-headed (but patriotic!) Recruits smacks of frank insanity.

That is, when “gloomy clouds” begin to move on the border, it is a little late to begin rearming your army. But it's time to state that "история gave us too little time. ” But seriously, just I.V. Stalin dealt with rearmament issues almost from the first day after gaining the opportunity to deal with them seriously. So, everything turned out with the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus ... a little not so great as we would like.



Today, the United States and other NATO countries openly began to deploy troops to the east. By an unfortunate coincidence of circumstances - mainly to the borders of Belarus (or very close to these borders. Poland and the Baltic States are the closest neighbors of the Republic of Belarus. This is the final stage of the process that began at the beginning of the 90's (late 80's). East NATO suddenly found on its “long threshold” “revanchist Russia.” And “as a retaliatory measure” began the transfer of military equipment to its borders.

But the preparation for this began very, very long time ago. And not even 10 years ago ... and not even 15. Well, in fact, we all saw it, reflected and spent increasing amounts of money on the defense industry. They managed to finish something, finish something ... they don’t manage to finish something clearly, it doesn't matter. The main thing - the common vector was laid correctly. "Suddenly" everything that was done in the field of defense became super-actual.

And now, when the NATO equipment began to be unloaded in the Baltic ports, in the Republic of Belarus, suddenly, there was also an interest in this vital topic - the theme of defense of state borders. Not that Mr. Lukashenko completely ignored the security forces, just the opposite! The police and the KGB were always in the zone of "special attention". But not the Ministry of Defense, oddly enough. Such a “disproportion” was there: interest in the “siloviki” was present and even went off scale, but in a strange way it did not extend to the army team.

And so it happened! It turned out that the army is also needed by the Belarusian state ... In parallel, it turned out that the modern army is very, RsС З РµРЅСЊ дорогоо… РўСѓС ‚РІСЃСЏ Р ± едР° РµС ‰ С 'РІ In" тяжС'Р " ° РЈРєСЂР ° РёРЅРµ Рё РІ Р'елоруссии остР° Р» Р ° СЃСЊ С З С'ртовР° СѓР№РјР ° tanks, РїСѓС € ек Рё СЃР ° РјРѕР »С'тов. Р С ... Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ РґР ° же СЃР »РёС € РєРѕРј РјРЅРѕРѕРіРѕ, своего СЂРѕРґР ° В at РЎР ° СЂР ° РєС € РІРѕСЃР» Рµ РІРѕР№РЅР. ЦельнР° СЏ РєРѕР» Р »РµРєС † РёСЏ военны С ... Р ° СЂС‚РµС „Р ° ктов. Weapons there was a lot of money a little.

This is what ruined strategic planning both in Kiev and in Minsk. No one, neither there nor there was not going to spend really serious money on weapons. Both countries emerged in the one thousand nine hundred and ninety-first year with huge arsenals of Soviet weapons. What idiot would think of putting large sums of money in the budget? If the already rusty tanks have nowhere to go? Ukraine, this backfired in 2014-th year. It turned out that as such she had no army. From the word at all.



Belarus, thank God, until with the direct need to use the armed forces is not faced. Strangely, the bloody events in the territory of the southern neighbor did not meet with any rejection in Minsk. The point is not that - a good junta / bad junta ... is not the point. Not in that. The fact is that in neighboring Ukraine the government was overthrown and outright slaughter began. For several years now Russian newspapers have been joking over the decisions and statements of a certain Mr. Poroshenko. Who are you laughing at? Who is Mr. Poroshenko? As you know, laughter for no reason - "Fool Detected."

For Russia abruptly purely military risks have increased, which has caused an almost continuous series of exercises. Logical, correct and reasonable. But the Republic of Belarus ignored these events. Demonstrative. I understand, of course, the degree of dislike for Russia of the Minsk leaders and their desire to “rise” in an extremely difficult situation for Russia, but in this case the Belarusians tried to ignore the “risks from a fire at a neighbor’s house”. Russia is like a big “nuclear club”, but Belarus is not a very big country. Therefore, the sincere optimism of the Belarusian politicians about the "ATO" I personally was absolutely incomprehensible.

About security its countries they thought at that moment? Or how? When in a critical situation a person behaves absolutely calmly and confidently, then, as a rule, there are two options: the first one is a professional person and hears health all risks, the second (just the opposite) - he stupidly does not understand that the situation is critical.

All this is Belarusian “frondery” in relation to Moscow and a demonstrative friendship with the junta at the moment when Ukrainian howitzers shot the Donbass, it looks more than strange for a normal person. Where does Minsk politicians have confidence that nothing like this will happen to them? Are they plotted by Maidan? From NATO and the activities of Western intelligence services, they also conspired?

I persistently try to understand where such confidence in Minsk comes from and I don’t find an answer. The activity of the Anglo-Saxon special services proved to be fatal both for the fate of the Russian Empire, and in many respects for the USSR, but then the Second Reich suddenly collapsed (in a not quite unambiguous situation) precisely because of the active work of foreign intelligence services and their active intervention in the internal German policy during world war. Saddam was piled up, stupidly re-enlisting his generals (largely because of this), and a powerful internal rebellion was stirred up in super-successful Libya. And the "internal" collapse of Yugoslavia?

Examples can be a lot. Even modern Russia with its nuclear and other capabilities is quite adequate and cautiously assesses the capabilities of the same “import” intelligence services. And no one rushes to assert that we are protected by 102 percent. And for the People's Republic of China, this is a very, very serious problem. And they fight it. That is, even for Comrade X, the Anglo-Saxon special services are a serious and deadly enemy, but for Comrade Lukashenko with two orders of magnitude fewer resources, there are no problems ...



You know, from the "happiness" I want to cry. How did he get so successful? Or is the Republic of Belarus such a kind of shadow center of power that nobody knows about? Deeply secretive and little-known, but incredibly powerful? It’s just that the head of Belarus plays as if the superpower’s unstoppable might is behind its back ... Where does such reinforced concrete “confidence in the future” come from?

Here it is usually accepted to answer that the author intimidates Belarusians for some self-serving purposes. How to say. NATO is never an inflatable tiger. NATO is very, very serious. The Republic of Belarus is surrounded on all sides by NATO countries (Poland / Lithuania / Latvia) or NATO satellites (Ukraine). The modern army of the Republic of Belarus does not have and is not planned, there is no money for rearmament, the officers have no combat experience in principle.

Here is another moment that is very confusing - the lack of combat experience. The Russian army fought repeatedly during the post-Soviet period. And even now in the North Caucasus, everything is as peaceful as we would like. That is even inside countries today can easily get full-fledged combat experience (and combat wounds to boot). This good enough. About Syria, I no longer speak.

But in the Belarusian army there is no no combat experience. And, strictly speaking, Belarusians do not much want to buy it. It is certainly good if you do not need to fight. But the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation model 2017, very far from the CA 1991 year. Not always in the right direction, but these are two very different structures. Russia had to fight a lot, and external threats (unlike the Soviet era) were quite fatal. That is, the presence of the armed forces for Russia is a means of survival.

But in Minsk, a lot and very convincingly talked about independence, but somehow it didn’t come to the creation of modern armed forces. Because it is expensive. A powerful modern army is first and foremost an expensive technique. With the police and state security here a little easier. That is, Lukashenko has equipped the police and authorities as far as possible, but somehow forgot about the army.

Then he suddenly remembered and turned his burning eyes towards the east. The trouble is that the leader of Belarus cannot understand that the modern army is not a toy for you. You can't get it “for good behavior” at Christmas. Moreover, Mr. Lukashenko has never been distinguished by his “good behavior”.



Oddly enough, any state begins with the army. Historically it happened. Why? Well, it's not about ambition and not militarism. First of all, it was necessary to protect the very citizens of the state from external threats. And the state (protogosudarstvo) began to collect taxes, to create with this money some kind of armed units (of varying degrees of discipline) and to ensure the safety of their subjects (as it turned out).

This is the state: first of all, the security of the security of its own citizens. And then ... only then - everything else. The theater begins with a hanger, the state begins with the army - such a funny trend.

The trouble is that the Belarusians buzzed all the ears of the Russians about their precious "independence." This, so to speak, is the basis of national discourse. But, as it seems to me, people from the wrong end undertake the creation of a “sovereign state”. The national economy works, taxes are collected, the military budget is formed for these taxes, and military equipment is purchased. Something like this.

Nobody demands from Belarusians the creation of a “heavily armed armada”, but let a small but well-trained modern army should be present. This would testify to the very "sovereignty" much more convincingly than all the loud cries and cries about it all taken together. And for that very army, in particular, “fresh” equipment, good salaries of servicemen are needed ... and modern combat experience would not hurt.

We still have a connection to the experience of the Great Patriotic War in the mass consciousness. That was, that was, but that experience today is not very relevant. Gone forward military science, rode forward technology. In principle, as early as in the 70s, hostilities unambiguously reached a qualitatively different level in relation to WWII.

So, the Russian army has experience of a similar war (more than), and the Belarusian army does not have it and refuses to have it, meanwhile, for example, in the 19 century, in the absence of major hostilities in Europe, even Prussian officers tried to get as military observers ( speaking modern language) in the Caucasus ... Why? What could give them experience that mountain war with the "abreks"? With reference to the European theater? And the experience of real hostilities, you will not drink it. No maneuvers and theoretical speculations will not replace the experience of real combat. Never.

If Lukashenka had been more cunning, he would have sent a hundred or two of the best Belarusian officers to the war in Syria. Fortunately the opportunity was. And pilots, gunners, scouts, and tank crews ... But as we understand it, it never occurred to him in a nightmare. What for? We will hold a parade in Minsk, and everyone will see how strong the Belarusian army is. We will hold the exhibition in Minsk (MILEX), and everyone will see everything too ... but we will not violate international law, no, we will not.



And we will actively sell weapons abroad, and not to buy for our army (so cоthere will be more necks). In principle, the logic is good and even in something correct, whether Belarus, like Belgium, is tightly inscribed in European structures and its security is guaranteed. In modern Minsk, as we all understand, the situation is somewhat different: the USSR is not, and for a long time, and in the meantime, NATO is very close to the Belarusian borders. And exercises there conducts the full program.

What is the trouble here? An open attack on Russia could well mean a global nuclear conflict, and our “partners” from NATO know this well. But the Republic of Belarus is not Russia at all. Totally. The Republic of Belarus conducts quite an “independent policy” from Russia. In principle, we saw this in the example of Ukraine itself. An independent state may well use its “independence” to turn the lives of its citizens into a nightmare.

It is absolutely unclear why this situation causes unrestrained optimism in Belarusians: it is possible to put "political experiments" on Russians at the price of a potential apocalypse, but Belarusians are quite accessible for these purposes. If the “good Euro-American friends” turn Belarus into a garbage dump following the example of Ukraine, then how can Minsk respond? A nuclear strike on the "Fashington"? Serious people from the Middle Kingdom will "harness" for Lukashenka? Why would such happiness?

Nuclear umbrella of Russia, speak? But in order to claim protection of this, an umbrella must be strictly under with this umbrella, and not to write out the “pretzel of independence” in an open area. Yes, it's a shame, but such is the fee for complete security. In principle, small NATO countries have never been outraged on this occasion: the United States "protects" them from Russia, and in return they demonstrate complete and absolute loyalty.

Once again: the “road to independence” lies through the creation of its own, well-armed army. The people still have a good support. The army is needed primarily not to attack someone, but to prevent this someone from attacking you. In the most amazing way. And for the army you need weapons, modern weapons! And modern weapons are expensive and produced in a limited number of countries.

So, if the Republic of Belarus is a truly independent state, then Lukashenko (as his permanent leader) was obliged to create a small but sensible army. With the army, the state begins and without the army, the state ends; it is not for nothing that in absolutist Europe they wrote in Latin in cannons: “The last argument of kings”. Ultima ratio regum (Louis XIV) / Ultima ratio regis (Frederick II)



So where is she? Belarusian army? Modern and well prepared? Alexander G. in power 23 year ... almost a quarter of a century. And, sorry, what did he expect all these years? Why did not work in this direction? It is clear that the army is very expensive. A large expense item of the budget, without any visible "electoral returns". If you add a pension to pensioners, everyone will know about it. If you keep low prices for communal services - this is also a big plus for a politician, but the army (oddly enough) does not bring such bonuses ... and eats an awful lot of money.

While there was money (up to 2008), Lukashenka played social justice: high social. spending is a very powerful political step, but also very expensive. "Social" costs a lot of money - like it or not. The army is also very, very expensive. So Alexander G. chose just social programs ... well, and the police from the KGB ...

And then there was no money, and then the geopolitical situation around Belarus worsened ... And then it suddenly became clear that there was no modern army (that is, re-armed and trained in accordance with the requirements of the moment) in Belarus. And "create" it a little late - the construction of the army should go continuously.

That is, all this time ... all 23 of the year, a serious part of the budget had to be spent on guns, tanks and military personnel. But it would certainly have hit on social programs that "ensured the popularity of the regime." And this proves that simple truth that Lukashenko never thought about the future of the state - he thought about his power, and “here and now.” That is why the "army elephant" was not seen by them.

No, he just did not forget to crush the opposition and monopolize power ... but somehow he did not bother to ensure the security of the Belarusian people from external threats. After 2008, he managed to collect a huge pile of foreign debt ... but the money just did not reach the army.

Well, as you know, all the troubles occur at the same time: the economic situation in the Republic of Belarus has worsened, the internal political situation has become aggravated ... and “gloomy clouds” came to the borders of the country. And it was then that it turned out that Belarus had no army. The king was naked. Why it is impossible to create it "right now", I hope, is clear: even very prosperous countries have been doing this for decades.

Even throwing aside the absolutely unsolvable economic problem of rearmament - just like that (all of a sudden) no one will supply you with a complex, modern weapon. Moreover, sophisticated, modern weapons like complex supplies and serious deadlines for mastering / learning. And the contracts for these same weapons are for many years to come. That is, even if Lukashenko now had a lot of money, it would have had a very, very weak effect on the situation with his country's defense.



Weapons are not hamburgers or big-cola cheeseburgers. Quickly buy it and "satisfy hunger" will not work for anyone. And the idea of ​​“begging 30 fighters” from Putin is absolutely crazy in many ways. Starting from the fact that these 30 fighters alone will not solve the problems of the defense of the Republic of Belarus: a comprehensive rearmament program is needed (it was needed).

"Get" a dozen, two or three even the most modern fighter jets or 36 armored personnel carriers - this is rather from the field of PR: but see, we are engaged in the army! In general, centralized states in Western Europe and enlightened absolutism - this just arose to finance a growing army ... That is, even in Europe of the Enlightenment, the state was built around army and for the army, and not vice versa.

Strengthening the state apparatus is to complete, maintain and equip the army. Those who could not / did not want to participate in this race, quickly left the political scene. There is no sovereignty without an army, because the decisions of politicians and the statements of diplomats must be supported by force, armed force. Alas, otherwise nothing.

The notorious Switzerland and Sweden were quite famous for their high military spending and arms production at home, and there is nothing strange here: you need to be able to defend neutrality. By themselves, "peace-loving statements" do not impress anyone.

The Belarusian state was formed essentially in general without serious defense spending. And, as it were, everything is already divided, and suddenly it is theoretically impossible to “gnaw out” billions for rearmament. The structure of society does not imply serious expenses for arms purchases. And even the sounding of plans for buying the same BTRs in Russia causes sincere indignation of the Belarusians, from their point of view, money is needed for other purposes: medicine, landscaping, schools, housing construction ...

To pay here and now billions for tanks, guns and airplanes with combat helicopters, the Belarusian voter is not ready to be categorically - it is simply not interesting for him. Especially in the conditions of a deepening economic crisis. Lukashenka essentially “driven himself into a corner,” convincing the people that there is some kind of sovereignty without a strong army.

And now it’s too late: Belarusians are sincerely convinced that the basis of sovereignty is the Belarusian language with embroidery and pancakes ... And it was at this moment that the Soviet-made weapons became completely obsolete ... and NATO begins to trample down so close ... But to convince Today, the Belarusians in the fact that it is necessary to remove the last shirt and "buy a tank at the expense of the artist," no one can.

That is, in fact, Lukashenko created something absolutely unique: centralized, tough, “the state of one politician” ... but practically without a modern army ...

Alone and without weapons


Articles from this series:
Defense problems of the Republic of Belarus
Why we "will not lose" Belarus
Ukrainian version for Belarus
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 12 October 2017 05: 27 New
    +16
    A strange conclusion suggests itself:
    Lukashenko, integrate the Republic of Belarus into the Russian Federation and you will have a modern army! Automatically, without any investment.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 12 October 2017 09: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      A strange conclusion suggests itself:

      Belarus took 18th place in the top 25 largest exporters of basic weapons. This is stated in the report of the Stockholm International Peace Institute SIPRI.
      Belarus is on the 18th line, exporting weapons for $ 625 million over the specified period. The largest sum for Belarusian weapons was spent by China - $ 170 million, the next in terms of spending is Vietnam - $ 150 million, Sudan closes the top three - $ 113 million.
      Belarus is on the 18th line, having exported weapons worth $ 625 million over the indicated period. The largest sum for Belarusian weapons was spent by China - $ 170 million, the next in terms of spending is Vietnam - $ 150 million, Sudan closes the top three - $ 113 million.

      The structure of the export of Belarusian weapons by country.

      Export structure by type.
      If we talk about the import of weapons into Belarus, then most of the military equipment of the Belarusian Ministry of Defense was purchased in Russia - over the entire period the costs amounted to 475 million dollars.
    2. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 09: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      A strange conclusion suggests itself:
      Lukashenko, integrate the Republic of Belarus into the Russian Federation and you will have a modern army! Automatically, without any investment.


      Not a strange, but terrible, and not a conclusion, but a question - why did Old Man for 25 years not join Belarus to Russia?

      Would you like to steer everything?

      That's practically drunk!

      And the conclusion is: REMOVE FROM THE STEERING!
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 12 October 2017 23: 43 New
        0
        I didn’t understand here, but who should I remove from the steering wheel? Either Putin or Lukashenko? In time, they rule almost the same way, and in terms of well-being the Russians didn’t run far the same way. And the question is, who do we mean, comrade?
        1. QWERTY
          QWERTY 13 October 2017 17: 56 New
          +4
          It is not clear who escaped from whom, but it is unlikely that in Belarus there are as many Russian guest workers as there are Belarusians in Russia. And this, in essence, is the most obvious indicator - who and from whom escaped.
    3. badens1111
      badens1111 12 October 2017 10: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      capital investment.

      If you invest in opuses like this, there will obviously be no good. And he is an opus, he overturned a bucket of mud in Belarus and received pennies, that's all joy ...
      The frictions of economic entities, posing as interstate disagreements ... from our compradors it’s not in Belarus to buy everything for nothing, but to make Belarusians have the same fun life as ours ..
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 12 October 2017 13: 43 New
      +3
      And become a governor, and dissolve ministries and departments? Not any red carpet, honor guards. Are you ready to voluntarily move to a lower position, with a loss in salary and status? Yes, not one normal person, not only that he will not leave for a lower position, but will also make every effort so that no one shoves him there. This is the essence - once a bureaucratic apparatus has been created, it does not want to disband and the search for ancient roots, Radzivils, etc. begins.
      The only option is if Lukashenko becomes president of the Russian Federation.
    5. Buffet
      Buffet 13 October 2017 22: 58 New
      0
      Again an article from 50% water. One and the same thought on 3-4 times wanders from paragraph to paragraph. It would be possible to briefly state everything, more clearly and more interestingly. I do not put an asterisk.
    6. Strategy
      Strategy 14 October 2017 16: 30 New
      0
      Yeah, and a bunch of Russian oligarchs from the "new Russians" who asked the old Jew in the early 1990s, "Dad, give me money!"
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 12 October 2017 06: 24 New
    +10
    Lukashenko means Russia "independence" from Her, but free hydrocarbons, loans to pay off early loans, now weapons in the form of "brotherly" help, it means the "holy duty" of Russia ... Oh, Lukashenko, your many-sided multi-vector approach will not bring you to good. ...
    1. Lex.
      Lex. 12 October 2017 09: 36 New
      0
      Lukashenko means Russia "independence" from Her, but free hydrocarbons
      You are probably a provocateur, you can not give anything, but in the western direction you will have to strengthen the army and this is not cheaper
      1. avt
        avt 12 October 2017 09: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Lex.
        You are probably a provocateur, you can not give anything, but in the western direction you will have to strengthen the army and this is not cheaper

        Azochenway! Many have missed in this life. Already. We are restoring the fact that, for the sake of fraternal brotherhood of the Sayuenaga, the statehood was destroyed in the Smolensk region.
        Quote: BecmepH
        How many buccaff ...

        Well, something like this
        Russian nuclear umbrella, you say? But in order to claim protection of this, the umbrella must be strictly under this umbrella, and not write out the "pretzel of independence" in the open. Yes, it's a shame, but such is the price for complete security. In principle, the small NATO countries have never been indignant about this: the United States “protects” them from Russia, and in return they demonstrate full and absolute loyalty.
        enough for those who are in the subject. And who is not in the subject? Well, those remaining that are still buggy, sayuyuyu state "?
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 12 October 2017 20: 31 New
          +2
          Azochenway! Many have missed in this life. Already. We are restoring the fact that for the sake of fraternal brotherhood of the Sayuenaga, the statehood was destroyed in the Smolensk region
          Yes, you’re talking about blizzards like you are now pr-shit Ukraine
      2. Titsen
        Titsen 12 October 2017 09: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Lex.
        Lukashenko means Russia "independence" from Her, but free hydrocarbons
        You are probably a provocateur, you can not give anything, but in the western direction you will have to strengthen the army and this is not cheaper


        And who are you - the white fluffy Israeli Samaritan?

        Tell all this to your neighbors at your borders!
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 12 October 2017 20: 33 New
          0
          You sit there in the states and tell your neighbors, dear, I'm not a politician in the Knesset. I'm not sitting
  3. BecmepH
    BecmepH 12 October 2017 06: 26 New
    +10
    How many bukuff ... I barely read it. Why does he need an army. Russia will not leave in trouble. Lukashenko acts like a lascivious lover. Lives at the expense of one, but also flirts on the side.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 October 2017 08: 37 New
      +7
      like a lascivious lover.
      Maybe enough for lovers to run, then Ukraine, then Turkey, that’s China on your mind. Is it time to first deal with Russia, and not look for the guilty on the side.
    2. masterovoy
      masterovoy 16 October 2017 16: 08 New
      +1
      Short and accurate, thanks!
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 October 2017 06: 32 New
    +6
    the presence of armed forces for Russia is a means of survival.
    and this is true for any country.
    1. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 12 October 2017 07: 14 New
      0
      Availability and abilities, it's still different ... The Serbs also had armed forces
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 October 2017 07: 14 New
    +6
    in order to claim protection of this, the umbrella must be strictly under this umbrella, and not be written out "Pretzel of independence" in open area

    A very successful definition of the foreign policy of a neighboring state.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      in order to claim protection of this, the umbrella must be strictly under this umbrella, and not be written out "Pretzel of independence" in open area

      A very successful definition of the foreign policy of a neighboring state.


      And it’s very cultural - and so I want to speak out impudently!

      About Father Batman politics flirting with everyone!
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  7. midshipman
    midshipman 12 October 2017 07: 28 New
    +5
    The Military Academy of Belarus trains pilots and airfield services. Asked from JSC "VNIIRA" TMK "Rupiter-M". But for nothing. There is no money to pay for it. But the Old Man does not experience allergies, antagonism to parashenko (these are his words). It is strange that Kolya is nowhere in the photo. I have the honor.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 12 October 2017 09: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: midshipman
      It is strange that Kolya is nowhere in the photo.
      "Heir to the throne" RB, will be presented later. laughing
  8. Varyag77
    Varyag77 12 October 2017 07: 33 New
    +10
    Shtetl prince. no more. Very selfish uncle. I really wanted to unite with Russia in the Yeltsin era, believing that he would become president (which was quite likely) and quickly forgot this essentially the main idea of ​​a union state under Putin. For against Putin, he looks like the chairman of a collective farm. no more. All this Belarusian independence, and even the “Belarusian miracle” promoted by some, rests on Russian hydrocarbons, loans, and so on and so forth. Lukashenko will play out soon and fly off for Yanukovych, and in Belarus we will get Ukraine No. 2. Eternal give, give, give. Reluctance to rebuild the country and the cunning .. oh multi-vector not bring to good
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Varyag77
      . For against Putin, he looks like the chairman of a collective farm. no more.


      So he was and is the chairman of the collective farm, and did not outgrow this step!

      And will not outgrow!
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  9. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 12 October 2017 07: 36 New
    +6
    I read it to the middle, and immediately recognized the author. laughing Eh Olezhek, Olezhek, does not give you rest Belarus and Lukashenko. The record is already jaded. Don't you want to look at Russia? Friends of GDP, Sechins, Rotenbergs? wink
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Don't you want to look at Russia? Friends of GDP, Sechins, Rotenbergs? wink


      What's the point?

      Putin no longer redo!

      But I’m embarrassed to ask - the place at Putin’s pie wasn’t enough, what are you so drooling about?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 October 2017 18: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Titsen
        why are you so drooling?

        Of course not enough! (Only it is not drooling. wink If splattered - sorry wassat) I’ve always dreamed of becoming Putin’s personal plumber! wassat And so forced without unbending to work hard in a dying Togliatti. crying
        P.S. And drooling like that, I always want to eat. But it doesn’t always work out. wink
    2. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 10: 21 New
      +2
      but. Don't you want to look at Russia?


      Brothers about the construction of the army and the financing of this construction.
      In this regard, about Russia, see news from the Syrian Arab Republic
  10. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 12 October 2017 08: 02 New
    0
    There are two options. Or the Republic of Belarus will go under the umbrella of NATO, it’s easier to lower at first, they won’t let it rise. Or to the Russian Federation, it’s good to strain the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus under the patronage of the Russian Federation, since the water runs from above, and not vice versa. At the same time, have a plan to introduce Russian bases in the event of NATO provocations.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Ra
      At the same time, have a plan to introduce Russian bases in the event of NATO provocations.


      Not in case of provocations, but in advance, to avoid provocations!

      And not only provocations, but also the Belarusian Maidan!
  11. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 12 October 2017 08: 32 New
    +3
    I’m calm for Rygorich, he is arming himself, he will probably be able to shoot back for a long time until help arrives, and Kolya, if he can support it with fire. Over the years, Lukashenko was presented with a Kalashnikov assault rifle, TT pistols, Mauser, and even a special forces soldier’s knife is available. wink yes


  12. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 12 October 2017 08: 42 New
    +4
    Oooooh, a hot female hottie raced winked
    "Let's enter Russia"
    "Sitting on twenty chairs will not do good"
    "Political woman with low social responsibility"
    "Freeloaders"
    and so on ...
    Lukashenko not likened to other republics - bad
    Lukashenko has kept the relic of the USSR on a small scale - also bad
    Lukashenko has no army - again bad
    He thinks how to somehow get out without natural resources is bad again
    ALWAYS BAD!
    Yes, how can you please request
    Maybe, REALLY, it’s really possible to turn to the West (we will become a variant of Moldova), but it will be good for you - you will shout about betrayal and other things. But at least your expectations coincide with reality .... what
    Personally, I do not want this. The only question is what you, "analysts" and fighters for the Russian world want. request
    PS Politicians, they are politicians to bargain for their interests and find a solution to problems yes
    1. avt
      avt 12 October 2017 09: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Yes, how can you please

      bully Checked out a joke of humor! good All of these fatherland’s, I don’t sell souvenirs, we don’t have to bend us "and the others give Kemsk parish for the MZKT it turns out there is," pleasing to the ungrateful rassiyani "ponimash. bully Taki in kind, well, a priori beguiled - Lemberg, the motherland of Sacher Masoch. Tse fact, but he is in a different direction
      Quote: Rurikovich
      REALLY, REALLY WEST

      and even south.
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Maybe, REALLY, it’s really possible to turn to the West (we will become a variant of Moldova), but it will be good for you - you will shout about betrayal and other things.

      From ,, forbidden "Makarevich
      You can walk like a neglected garden
      Can you shave everything off
      Both that, and another I saw more than once
      Who did you want to surprise?
      So don't
      Quote: Rurikovich
      your expectations coincide with reality ....

      And it’s quite a forecast for the development of events, which justified itself on the Ruin by the way. And why did you suddenly there, “Live Belarus!” Decided that even if the fur was inside, then skip past the kukana without pinging on it? Solely because it is inside with fur?
      Quote: Rurikovich
      "analysts" and fighters for the Russian world

      After all, they knew and warned .... because, again, they knew what to do in spite
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Maybe, REALLY, it’s really possible to turn to the West (we will become a variant of Moldova), but it will be good for you - you will shout about betrayal and other things. But at least your expectations coincide with reality ...

      As in Ruin .Well, rewind the discussion on the website of a year since that way of 2013, and just make sure - IT WAS.
      Do you remember how it all began for the first time and again How boats were built and boats were called Vera Nadezhda Lyubov How together we cut the ropes And the earth went into the distance And we sang the waves and every fifth Usually was at the helm
      What happened? Here I’m really interested - With what kind of goodies the proud, ancient from the Iskendermakedonichingisolitvinians who have come up, really think that by the fact of the presented independence of the national state (and NONE of the Soviet republics have won their independence, from the word in general) it should still bring into a state of ecstasy, even orgasm residents of Russia by the fact of existence? Yes, so that they removed the last shirt and humiliatedly not what they offered - begged to take and not be offended?
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 12 October 2017 14: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        All these fatherfucks, I don’t sell souvenirs, don’t bend us "

        This one, though he does not disdain to express his opinion, and Russia after all basically speaks through the mouth of the Rosselkhoznadzor in the summer and Gazprom in the winter. Palitika, panimash wink
        Quote: avt
        about give Kemsk parish for the MZKT

        Chur me !!! belay I have not heard about terpretteniya to Russia negative
        Quote: avt
        And why did you suddenly there, “Live Belarus!” Decided that even if the fur was inside, then skip past the kukana without pinging on it? Solely because it is inside with fur?

        The gentlemen themselves decide between themselves, they were chosen - so let them work. You’re our neighbor’s tea, also not white and fluffy (Uralkali)
        Quote: avt
        As in Ruin .Well, rewind the discussion on the website of a year since 2013 and then make sure - WAS

        Why, you, how many can these stupid examples be put belay . Do you think that any authorities were not with us, but they really do not see what is happening in Ukraine? wink Yes, they see everything. Just don’t be famously while it’s quiet. The borders with towers every 500 meters and KSP on the border with the Svidomites, we have NO! Forests and swamps! Therefore, if they are trampled by different "comrades" with bad intentions, then to prevent this will be oh how difficult request Because you have to play "nezalezhnost". Enter our position crying
        Quote: avt
        What happened?

        Yes, nothing has happened if you do not make an elephant out of a fly wink
        Quote: avt
        that by the fact of the presented independence of the national state (and NONE of the Soviet republics have won their independence, from the word in general)

        History then wink yes
        Conclusions: raise the topic yourself, and dissolve it yourself. The Palitics, Panimash, will decide for themselves what is what. And it’s easy to rock the public with such “analytical” articles (yes, Olezhka? wink ), but it’s hard to install yes All you will not please fellow laughing .........
        1. avt
          avt 12 October 2017 14: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Chur me !!! I have not heard about terpretteniya to Russia

          The manlion captain! The last grater according to the MKZT was with Batsky’s claim to get the oil field, that is, in fact, "I, I! Kemsk parish!"
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Why, you, how many can these stupid examples be put

          request Yes, as much as you need! Exactly before it gets out of the head about the fact that na-a-as it just will not be. Reception, the thought is not mine, it’s all there on the Ruin, actually, first of all, a lesson to us - RUSSIA.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Conclusions: raise the topic yourself, and dissolve it yourself.

          request The trouble is that, the ataman has a dumb golden start ... "and as a result of all these zakhermazokh rake again Russia. Well, Russia certainly has money
          I think he still has more money now than you have in breeches and even in the Kiev treasury
          But this is how, as before, for songs about, to the Sayuznames of the state, "merge the remnants ..... Actually, Butska already explained to us.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And it’s easy to rock the public with such “analytical” articles (yes, Olezhka?

          Well, so classic
          "If sulfur suddenly smelled in our house, we simply must assume that a devil with horns appeared somewhere nearby and take all measures, up to the organization of production of holy water on an industrial scale."
          understand bully But of course you can execute the option
          Be silent! I know what you say! Answer yourself without blaming
          neighbors, for all their meanness and stupidity - above human strength! I'm not a genius
          some. Just a king, what a dime a dozen. Well, enough about that! All
          it became clear. You know me, I - you: you can not pretend, do not break.
          Why are you frowning? Remained alive - healthy, well, thank God ... What
          there...
          bully
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Conclusions: raise the topic yourself, and dissolve it yourself.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 12 October 2017 15: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            The last grater according to the MKZT was with Batsky’s claim to get the oil field, that is, in fact, "I, I! Kemsk parish!"

            Eeee, Muslim belay There was such a conversation, but its essence was that Russia on a lease basis would provide some kind of oil field for development (as, in his words, it is provided to other "partners of the Russian Federation), so that we ourselves would produce, as it were, the allowed volume, spending money only for transportation to the refinery and the refinery. Yes, and in this case it was possible to create a combination. But the "Kemska volost" - this refers to the claims, but not to the oil no
            Quote: avt
            the chieftain has a dumb golden launch ...

            Such we are niche wassat What to take, if we can only give what is (or remains) repeat
            Quote: avt
            But this is how, as before, for songs about, to the Sayuznam of the state, "merge the remnants .....

            Well, who knew that Lukashenko’s dreams of reviving the small USSR tripped over the brutal grin of oligarchic capitalism in Russia laughing request
            Quote: avt
            Actually, Butke had already explained to us.

            Well, if only: income is above all, and even better, when here and now (Freud's secret ideas of personal enrichment burst out according to Freud, crushed for 70 years by the Soviet government) repeat .
            Quote: avt
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Conclusions: raise the topic yourself, dissolve it yourself

            To each his own winked wink hi
            1. avt
              avt 12 October 2017 16: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Rurikovich
              Well, who knew that Lukashenko’s dreams of reviving the small USSR tripped over the brutal grin of oligarchic capitalism in Russia

              wassat Well, how many times did he write that - THRONE IS ONE in the Kremlin and not even that there is no folding chair - a stool for a “sausage cook” will not be delivered. What did the GDP say to him at the beginning of the zero - “Flies separately, cutlets separately” and none, , equality "in the emission center. Well, since Javdet is a coward, Abdullah is a warrior, they do not like each other." We have what we have in the armed forces in particular.
              1. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 12 October 2017 20: 10 New
                0
                Quote: avt
                Well, how many times did he write that - THRONE IS ONE in the Kremlin, and not even that there is no folding chair - a stool for a “sausage gas sir” will not be delivered.

                Toto Ms. And Yong wants equality (which is quite true for business entities request ) ...
                Therefore and
                Quote: avt
                Javdet is a coward, Abdullah is a warrior, they do not like each other. "
    2. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      The only question is what you, "analysts" and fighters for the Russian world want.


      Bulbashi - JOIN!

      To us, to Russia!
  13. Vadim851
    Vadim851 12 October 2017 09: 05 New
    +1
    Fortunately, we don’t have problems with any countries and we won’t have any, we are very peace-loving, we are not enemies of Ukraine, Russia, the West, and we don’t need any combat experience. As for financing internal security, it works- in the country there is a low level of crime, especially organized crime, foreigners willingly go to study in Minsk, because it is safe. There are many states where the army exists “symbolically” - not everyone has a mountain of resources and money, and yet no one attacks them. The country’s incomes are not very large, it was still not enough to go along the DPRK’s path ...
    1. avt
      avt 12 October 2017 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim851
      We, fortunately, have no problems with any countries and I hope there will be

      wassat What the fuck are you ?! And for upright couches, ukurs? Or we’ll get a Pole map * bully
      Quote: Vadim851
      There are many states where the army exists "symbolically"

      There is ! We miss one such and even the most key - Switzerland, proposed to establish .... Emperor Sasha No. 1 (not to be confused with the great lithuania No. 1, since it was after the Napoleonic wars). But your problems are that although you do not have the Patriotic War of 1812 in Belarus now and you have erected monuments there in those days with the French ambassador, Switzerland, the world piggy bank, you won’t be a priori / in kind.
      Quote: Vadim851
      The country’s incomes are not very large, it was still not enough to go along the DPRK’s path ...

      bully But by analogy with the Juche - Lukonomy, you go confidently, without curtailing and not noticing that you are going.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 12 October 2017 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        and the monuments you put there for those times with the French ambassador

        Have you seen a straw in a strange eye ... you can’t see the logs in your own eyes? And what about the monuments we have, the red ones, the panvits, the kolchaks, the mannerheim? How about defending the dissertation of a certain Aleksandrov, who whitewashes Vlasov?
        How about this
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BC%
        D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B8%
        D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%
        D0%B4%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5_(%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%BB
        %D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0)

        Or this
        http://pyonerka.livejournal.com/106535.html
        And here it’s all the French ... we have a monument to those French on Borodino and there is nothing terrible in it .. but here are the monuments to the Nazi soldiers and their minions ...
        Quote: avt
        But by analogy with the Juche - Lukonomy, you go confidently, without curtailing and not noticing that you are going.

        And we began to have everything in a bunch? What analogue do we have, the Gaidaronomics? Not?
        1. avt
          avt 12 October 2017 11: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: badens1111
          And what about the monuments we have, the Reds, Panvits, Kolchaks, Mannerheim?

          Only when not a monument was erected, but a board Ivanov appeared in the status of a sovereign official from the inner circle and it was still removed, pushing it somewhere. A monument to private land was put to Kranov by private owners, although I personally would have given it specifically for 282, like Amnuel for the film about the Philosophe, the spiritual mentor of the Lokotsky gang. With Vlasovites, you are also past the cash register - no one at the state level has rehabilitated them, and wrote books before
          Quote: badens1111
          Alexandrov, whitewashing Vlasovites

          Chubais with Popov. BUT, we are not 37 years old! "... again, Chubais, albeit a brother.
          Quote: badens1111
          And we began to be all a bunch?

          Do not climb and go sideways.
          Quote: badens1111
          What is our analogue-gaydaronomika? Not?

          Yes . And only slowly extinguish the bank swindlers from the witnesses Gaidar, well, that very part of it. But we are already far from lukonomika and its level of debt. And DIRECT dependence on the IMF with their regulation of the “currency basket,” as your adored Butsky now has, we have been missing for a long time. Have you noticed? Your problems.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 12 October 2017 14: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: avt
            And DIRECT dependence on the IMF with their regulation of the "currency basket", as your adored Butsky now has, we have been missing for a long time. Have you noticed?

            Yeah, I noticed .. the loan portfolio is already swollen, from tears as industrialists and peasants, not to mention the population.
            And having listened to the guardian for our everything, Franz Adamych, who is sitting in the senators now, they say he worries about the Smolensk people very much, he would recommend that he go to Smolensk region more often and not to the governor’s dachas, but to villages and villages, small towns, there he will fully see the fruits of his efforts ..
            Do not hold people for a dunno. We have a lot to see, contrary to patriotic patriotism.
            Quote: avt
            And only slowly extinguish the bank swindlers from the witnesses of the Gaidar, well, that same part of it

            Anto whom ??? Gref and Nabiullina? Kudrin and Chubais?
            Ulyukaev was imprisoned .. so it’s going to happen there. As the thief got away from the Perumov kulutyury, he paid a fine of 300 thousand, having stolen one hundred million and is free ..
            Quote: avt
            Chubais with Popov. BUT, we are not 37 years old! "... again, Chubais, albeit a brother.

            Yeah .. of course .. therefore he stole a chicken and five years, one hundred million and a half years in greenhouse conditions, free ..
            Sideways and sideways, shy to see ..
            Quote: avt
            Ivanov lit up in the status of a sovereign official from the inner circle and she was still removed, pushing somewhere. A monument to private land was put to Kranov by private owners, although I personally would have given it specifically for 282, like Amnuel for the film about the Philosophe, the spiritual mentor of the Lokotsky gang. With Vlasovites, you are also past the cash register - no one at the state level has rehabilitated them

            If on TV and radio, in the media, there are daily sounds to whitewash this, to a dubious sense, "rehabilitation" in the framework of the so-called "reconciliation", then the output will not get what you hope for.
      2. Vadim851
        Vadim851 12 October 2017 15: 25 New
        0
        Poland makes no territorial claims against Belarus. "But by analogy with the Juche - Lukonomy, you are going confidently, not turning back and not noticing that you are going" - but if you spent a lot of money on weapons, the economy would directly grow like in China .. well
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 13 October 2017 23: 28 New
          0
          Have you heard about the "Crescent Uhodnye"? They have, but do not voice. And the latest hype from the monuments of Kosciuszko in Switzerland is a clear confirmation of their views on Belarusians.
    2. Titsen
      Titsen 12 October 2017 10: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Vadim851
      Fortunately, we don’t have problems with any countries and we won’t have any, we are very peace-loving, we are not enemies of Ukraine, Russia, the West, and we don’t need any combat experience.


      Blessed is he who thinks so!

      Very blessed ...
    3. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 10: 54 New
      +1
      - Guys, I do not want a fight!
      - And she will not be ...
      am
    4. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 13 October 2017 23: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadim851
      foreigners willingly go to study in Minsk, because it is safe.

      You are mistaken. They go to Minsk, Grodno and other cities in such quantities not at all because of safety. Part of it is to get a cheap diploma without the slightest effort (because they will not be kicked out, they carry the currency), “tear themselves away” from their villages and other places (after all, who for the most part come to us? Turkmens, Africans, Indians / Pakistan ( the latter, however, are more often doctors and they don’t have time to suffer from nonsense, at least less) and others.The Chinese / Russians have a different conversation and they have different goals, and the latter are not strangers to us on the list), to spoil the girls because many after honey flows in ears brains fail. Think a lie? Take away, unfortunately, this is an unfortunate fact, and even for many “studies” this is an excuse to slip into the EU. So much for our education, the Turkmens cannot even learn Russian normally from us, but with diplomas of lawyers and economists.
  14. SMP
    SMP 12 October 2017 09: 07 New
    +1
    The activities of the Anglo-Saxon special services turned out to be fatal both for the fate of the Russian Empire and in many respects for the USSR, but after all, the Second Reich suddenly collapsed (in an ambiguous situation) precisely because of the active work of foreign intelligence services and their active intervention in domestic German politics during the world war. Saddam was dumped, stupidly turning over his generals (largely because of this), in a super-prosperous Libya, a powerful internal rebellion was fomented. And what about the “internal” collapse of Yugoslavia?


    I’m glad that everything more often appears, otherwise any mention of a world conspiracy turns into a joke.
    And the fact that the majority of global corporations are residents of USA and pay basic taxes to the Amer’s budget is not a global conspiracy, it’s a natural course of global globalization in trade, and if you don’t agree with that, then shut up our mouths or make us a laughing stock ....... and social psychology works.
  15. Lex.
    Lex. 12 October 2017 09: 34 New
    0
    Well, it’s understandable who wrote the Navina buy 5 column, Something to Oleg Egorov probably the initials fictitious haunts Belarus
    1. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 10: 43 New
      +3
      Here is a colleague, I have long wanted to read an sensible, pro-Russian resource in the Republic of Belarus, to communicate with the people ... can you tell me something like this popular pro-Russian ??
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 12 October 2017 14: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Olezhek
        Do not tell me something so popular pro-Russian ??

        Oleg, not only do you have the Russian second state and agrarian majority of central newspapers and magazines in Russian ??? And what, do you want supernews resources per 9,5 million people? Be afraid of God - do not escalate because we have enough of our own hemorrhoids, but you can’t figure it out with yours, and even tell us. Become the president of a country with such a population without sensible articles of income and see how you find the money for the army and what it will be like see. But no - "parasites". People are not always patient, they understand that what they see is a “Ukrainian miracle”, but the policy of repulsion can do such things that you will again look for those guilty when nationalism rises. And I already know a priori who will be to blame - Lukashenko ....
        Do you need such pro-Russian relations? At least have respect for people who do not reject you ....
        1. Olezhek
          12 October 2017 20: 21 New
          0
          And what, do you want supernews resources for 9,5 million of the population?


          You still know: the last year and a half I regularly read the Belarusian Internet press and comments on it ... the impression is extremely disappointing.

          It's not about "supernew news resources", it's about their focus ...
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 12 October 2017 21: 52 New
            0
            Quote: Olezhek
            You still know: the last year and a half I regularly read the Belarusian Internet press and comments on it ... the impression is extremely disappointing.

            Oleg, I myself don’t read the same HERE bye, especially comments - soon it will be similar to “Censor” or “Charter97” laughing And the public, sitting on the Internet, does not yet speak of most opinions. Now in the Internet and newspaper official media and TV channels there. And not only to read "pamyarkonoyu" and "free". So for a change and comparison, you can find what you want if you want yes
            Well, I don’t read only “Komersant” and I don’t only watch “Rain” to draw conclusions about the state of affairs in Russia.
            And the problem of the army in Belarus should be considered in the context of the general political and economic situations in the country, and not be highlighted in a separate article. Then it will be clearer why this is so. request So personally, I consider your article solely as the personal opinion of the author, and not the ultimate truth hi
            1. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 13 October 2017 23: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Rurikovich
              I don’t read HERE bye, especially comments - soon it will be similar to “Censor” or “Charter97”

              By the way, on the comment here only about a dozen identical people create similarities to these two resources in the comments. Small bug, but smelly.
        2. ship
          ship 14 October 2017 00: 36 New
          0
          The Russian language is for Belarusians, and not for someone - ".. not only is the Russian second state ..." only for those advanced to the Polish side like you, the first language is MOV.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 14 October 2017 07: 55 New
            0
            Quote: brod
            it’s only for those advanced to the Polish side like you, the first language is MOV.

            Dear, did you even understand what you are blaming? What language do I speak with you?
            1. ship
              ship 14 October 2017 22: 07 New
              0
              For you, Russian is not the first, but the second. Further explain?
  16. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 12 October 2017 09: 44 New
    +1
    Beggars pulled up. Belarusian Federal District and Luka retired. Then everything will be.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 12 October 2017 13: 34 New
      0
      The large cupboard falls louder. laughing
  17. Mihail29
    Mihail29 12 October 2017 09: 52 New
    +4
    I wrote a few years ago that Lukashenko is an ordinary political, post-Soviet prostitute who builds a union state with Russia on the basis of commerce (raw materials, goods for herself at domestic Russian prices, free entry to the Russian market for her goods, soft loans, etc. ) but on the basis of politics he has an independent state (recognition of Abkhazia and Ossetia - no, Crimea - no, help in Syria - no) and so on everywhere. Then there were a bunch of angry comments addressed to me that Lukashenko was a real man, a statesman and business executive, and they almost put me in the fifth column. Time puts everything in its place.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 12 October 2017 10: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Michael29
      I was almost recorded in the fifth column. Time puts everything in its place.

      You remained that very fifth column and time will really put everything in its place.
    2. aleksandrs95
      aleksandrs95 12 October 2017 11: 52 New
      0
      well done Misha. He also received a lot of injections when he said that Grygorich was the oldest to get involved. Honest we understand, we have the main interest. We will be very dear to you.
  18. Varyag77
    Varyag77 12 October 2017 10: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: Varyag77
    Shtetl prince. no more. Very selfish uncle. I really wanted to unite with Russia in the Yeltsin era, believing that he would become president (which was quite likely) and quickly forgot this essentially the main idea of ​​a union state under Putin. For against Putin, he looks like the chairman of a collective farm. no more. All this Belarusian independence, and even the “Belarusian miracle” promoted by some, rests on Russian hydrocarbons, loans, and so on and so forth. Lukashenko will play out soon and fly off for Yanukovych, and in Belarus we will get Ukraine No. 2. Eternal give, give, give. Reluctance to rebuild the country and the cunning .. oh multi-vector not bring to good


    So he was and is the chairman of the collective farm, and outgrew this step!

    Yes, the fact of the matter is that he did not outgrow laughing All his life he looks like a kind of snitch, who always calls in the regional committee and asks for money and combines. And in the regional committee they love him therefore give. But only at the same time, the chairman constantly declares that the achievements of the collective farm are his business, and the regional committee could have given more.
  19. Urry
    Urry 12 October 2017 10: 24 New
    +4
    The author in general is, like most commentators, what is familiar to this resource.
    The idea in itself to make the army of the Republic of Belarus in the likeness of the army of the Russian Federation is stupidity. Due to the large number of NATO armaments and armies located on the borders of Belarus, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are simply doomed, regardless of the state of the army, just correlate the numbers, therefore the military doctrine of the Republic of Belarus agreed with the Russian Federation - in case of an attack, respond to attacks as much as possible and drag out the forces to combat conditional border with the Russian Federation, from where, after regrouping, begin a counteroffensive. Look at the map again to understand the validity of this approach.
    Fees, local exercises, something else, is held regularly. Parts are not disbanded. In warehouses there is a large number of T72, local aviation in Belarus will simply be doomed. There are small arms. UAVs, combat vehicles from the MZKT - armored vehicles, trucks - are produced in the Republic of Belarus, artillery has remained from the time of the USSR. Missile armament of new models appeared due to the fact that the leadership of the Russian Federation did not want to cooperate with the Belarusians themselves made Polonaise.
    So there is gunpowder in the flasks, and money is being spent on it, among other things.
    The danger of Belarus participating in military conflicts is great, just as taking into account the location of Belarus, the consequences for the country will be catastrophic, but nevertheless there is no policy to open borders and provide NATO transport for a trip to Russia, this is a question of supposedly total selfishness leadership RB. So the "analytigam" of the Russian world is advice - just start to be friends with your head.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 12 October 2017 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Urry
      So the "analytigam" of the Russian world is advice - just start to be friends with your head.

      There is nobody and nothing to be friends with, due to the lack of that very head.
      There is a mouth spewing all sorts of curses against RB, but the contents of the head process like microcephalus do not provide at least a minimum of intelligence.
      Nowhere and never did Lukashenka say words discrediting Russia, but he always pointed out exactly what the reason for some of the inconsistencies was the greed and arrogance of effective managers who, for nothing, wanted to buy up the Republic of Belarus.
      At the same time, these “effective” people don’t think too much about the people, not just the Republic of Belarus, they’re about the people of Russia too ..
    2. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 12: 27 New
      +1
      Due to the presence on the borders of Belarus of a huge amount of weapons and armies of NATO, the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are simply doomed, regardless of the state of the army,


      The trouble is that Mr. Lukashenko does not even know about it ..... by the way, not only the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are doomed, but the Republic of Belarus itself
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 12 October 2017 14: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        The trouble is that Mr. Lukashenko does not even know about it ..... by the way, not only the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are doomed, but the Republic of Belarus itself

        Yes, they know that they are better than you and me ... Or will you order EVERYTHING to join the army and forget about all the other budget items?
        1. Olezhek
          12 October 2017 20: 18 New
          +2
          Or command everyone to put on the army and forget about all the other budget items?


          By the 1994 year, Belarus is an industrial state with a powerful army and large reserves of military equipment.
          The population of the Republic of Belarus is slightly less than 10 lyam. During the years of the AHL rule, significant financial assistance was received from the Russian Federation.

          Actually, today you can ask: "Where is your army?"
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 12 October 2017 22: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Olezhek
            In fact, today you can ask: "And where is your army?

            Oleg, 1994 is almost immediately after being scattered around the apartments. Question - How much equipment in the Belarusian military district remains from the Union? Few?? No, VERY MUCH. For these 23 years, the size of the army is given with the capabilities of the country's economy. request Spray oil from under the ground, like in the UAE, then it would be possible to talk about the maintenance of the 1994 army. But the reality is different yes In growth and kaftanchik request
            And industrial, so again, because of the common market of the USSR. Immerse yourself in modern market relations. Well, you, too, are moving on to yours, and this is hitting us too, for our industry worked for the entire USSR. And now, in order to sell the same "Belarus", "MAZs" or MZKT centipedes, you need to try, and this is revenue to the budget (read for the army).
            That's where our army is hi
    3. Astoria
      Astoria 12 October 2017 16: 44 New
      +1
      The idea in itself to make the army of the Republic of Belarus in the likeness of the army of the Russian Federation is stupidity.
      - I agree the idea is stupid.
      The Republic of Belarus is simply doomed
      and it's hard to argue with that. And indeed, with this logic, such an army is easier to dissolve. And in order to drive local tanks are not needed.

      But seriously:

      In warehouses there is a large amount of T72
      they were not upgraded, well, it can be single and local (according to Military balance 2017: 446 T-72; 69 T-80) - the effectiveness of this technique is doubtful.

      Well, with aviation, it’s understandable that Belarus doesn’t need it, except for a freebie; otherwise, how can one explain the pilot's annual flight time of 15 hours.

      Sami made Polonaise.
      did not, but bought. Localization in 60% was only in plans.

      So there is gunpowder in the flasks, and money is being spent on it, among other things.
      the military budget of the Republic of Belarus 2017 + - $ 600 million, of which there is hardly enough to pay for the military, there is no talk of modernization.

      So the "analytigam" of the Russian world is advice - just start to be friends with your head.
      look at things realistically, only Lukashenko needs the army of the Republic of Belarus to protect him from the local population, however, the internal troops are much more suitable for this, which is why there are several times more of them.

      The Republic of Belarus cannot be an ally of the Russian Federation, not even because of politics, but because of physical conditions, at best an extra target for NATO. laughing
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 12 October 2017 19: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Astoria
        , the army of the Republic of Belarus is only needed for Lukashenko to protect him from the local population,

        Hmm, just no words ... winked
        Quote: Astoria
        however, internal troops are much more suitable for this, respectively, therefore, there are several times more of them.

        Who believes this nonsense ??? We’ve closed the office. One precinct on 3000 remained. For that, you calmly walk along the streets with phones. From whom to defend ??? How many already this idiocy walks about protecting Lukashenka from the people request I just believe what I see ... And what I see, I say hi
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 12 October 2017 20: 04 New
          +1
          Who believes this nonsense ???
          the number of internal troops is indeed almost twice that of the armed forces.
          And you did not think that, apparently, Lukashenko believes in this idiocy, because he pays for it. laughing
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 12 October 2017 20: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Astoria
            the number of internal troops is indeed almost twice that of the armed forces.

            Because they need to monitor the order throughout the country, and the army only in the initial period of the invasion wink
            1. Astoria
              Astoria 12 October 2017 20: 31 New
              +1
              throughout the country to keep order
              - that is, there is no order, or the agronomist does not really trust his subjects.
              1. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 12 October 2017 22: 03 New
                0
                Quote: Astoria
                that is, there is no order, or the agronomist does not really trust his subjects.

                Well, let's remove the police altogether request How many times will crime increase and will laws be respected winked ?
                Come on and see. wink And I still want to sleep peacefully and walk the street without fear yes
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 12 October 2017 22: 06 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  I also want to sleep peacefully and walk the street without fear

                  So it is possible to go without cops. soldier
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 13 October 2017 08: 00 New
                    0
                    So it is possible to go without cops
                    - Well, so he has nothing more to say. laughing

                    Belarus, with the exception of the Vatican and a couple of dwarf countries, is the most police state in the world:

                    1. Rurikovich
                      Rurikovich 13 October 2017 08: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: Astoria
                      Belarus, with the exception of the Vatican and a couple of dwarf countries, is the most police state in the world:

                      You at least do not know how to think in stamps belay ? I live here and I can better see how much police we have wink And believe me, it’s not so much how inflamed brains draw laughing Sometimes, if necessary, you can wait for hours. And you are a "policeman" fool Turn on the brains, and not sit in the tables to conceive fairy tales laughing hi
                      1. Astoria
                        Astoria 13 October 2017 09: 12 New
                        0
                        Exhale beaver laughing, You apparently have nothing to include, if you call white black. hi
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 October 2017 08: 36 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Astoria
                      with the exception of the Vatican

                      But the papal prosecutor, Picardie, does not think so. He considers the crime rate in the Vatican one of the highest. crying
    4. ship
      ship 14 October 2017 22: 28 New
      0
      "... to the question of the supposedly total selfishness of the leadership of the Republic of Belarus ...", well, why is it so rude not diplomatic, and "supposedly" not to the question of "multi-vector" ....
      "So the" analytigam "of the Russian world is advice - just start making friends with the head." Well, how smart you are, Urry, because you don’t need the Russian world, but the Polish one, in the sense of pro-Western, or something else.
      The clever Urry, of course, did not hear anything about CSTO and does not know anything.
  20. Neputin
    Neputin 12 October 2017 10: 25 New
    +3
    It is quite obvious that sooner or later Belarus will have to decide "under whom to lay down." It is a shame or not, but it is a medical fact. They will not want to go under the Russian Federation, they will fall under the EU. Unfortunately, this is the lot of small states with disabilities that cannot afford to have sovereignty in full, like countries that determine geopolitics in the region. And such countries - on the fingers of one hand can be counted. Therefore, the author is largely right. Geopolitics is a tough thing and when solving its problems everyone wanted to spit on the fate of hundreds of thousands, and sometimes millions of people. In this regard, Crimea was just lucky that on its territory there is a naval base, thanks to which you can control the entire Black Sea. Losing it would be a geopolitical disaster for the whole south-west of Russia. If it weren’t, there wouldn’t have been “polite people” and “Our Crimea,” etc. There is no such base in the DPR and LPR. Does anyone see polite people there and support for the referendum held (also by the way for joining Russia). I personally do not watch. And the Russian leadership, "chopping off" the Crimea, absolutely clearly understood that the "sheepskin is worth the candle" and all subsequent troubles (sanctions, etc.) are richer in comparison with the acquisition. And nobody ever thought of people. The author is right.
  21. rudolff
    rudolff 12 October 2017 10: 54 New
    +6
    Yes, everything is simple here. Belarus at one time completely and completely got the most powerful Belarusian military district. Yes, the strength of the Belarusian army was reduced many times, but nevertheless, an experienced officer backbone, a combat training system remained for a long time, touched on relatively fresh equipment. There was a period when Belarus entered the top ten largest arms exporters in the world, and Lukashenko himself repeatedly stated that the Belarusian army was the most powerful in Europe. Time passed, the surplus weapons sold out safely, their own became obsolete, the full-flowing river of petrodollars turned into a trickle, and the Belarusian economic miracle quietly blown away and covered itself with a fig leaf. And then there is the crisis of Russia-Ukraine relations, Russia-NATO. Here Lukashenko voted. Give new equipment, give money for the maintenance of the army. But at the same time, in your best traditions: you provide the Belarusian army, but we don’t want to see your bases here, more sovereign and independent! Nothing new. I change my smile to hard currency!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 12 October 2017 10: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      you provide the Belarusian army, but we don’t want to see your bases here, more sovereign and independent! Nothing new. I change my smile to hard currency!

      It’s good that the defense policy in the Russian Federation is not managed by you, but equally by politics in general, not by you.
      Quote: rudolff
      I change my smile to hard currency!

      Belarus Radar station "Volga" (Gantsevichi). Put on combat duty on October 1, 2003.
      Belarus The 43rd communications center of the Russian Navy (Vileyka) is a communications center that provides communications on extra-long waves of the General Staff of the Russian Navy with nuclear submarines on alert in the Atlantic, Indian and partially Pacific oceans. He also conducts electronic intelligence and electronic warfare.
      Do you understand what it is?
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 12 October 2017 12: 29 New
        +4
        I understand a little. And personally in Vileyka. Belarus inherited these two objects from Soviet times and was completely unnecessary to it. The Volga began to be built in the 80s and in the 2000s it was only being completed.
        For your information: the Russian-Belarusian agreement of January 6, 1995 ORTU "Gantsevichi" and the communications center of the Navy "Vileyka" together with the land plots were transferred to Russia for 25 years without charging all types of taxes and fees. As compensation to the Belarusian side, part of the debts for energy carriers were written off, Belarusian soldiers are trained, and information on the space and rocket situation and the Ashuluk firing range for air defense firing are provided.
        After the first serious scandal over the supply of energy resources, when Russia was forced to shut off the valves on the pipes for non-payment and Lukashenko’s threats against Russian facilities in Belarus, including the Volga radar and the Navy’s communications center, the question arose of building their analogues directly in Russia. In any case, these facilities are of strategic importance for Russia, but they are not able to protect the territory of Belarus, as well as Russia from the western direction, from external threats. The army of Belarus is slowly degrading, Lukashenko does not allow Russian military bases to be deployed on its territory. So Russia has to either build up its grouping along the Belarusian border or pour money into the Belarusian army, which Lukashenko actually wants. Only the outcome of such injections is not obvious. Especially in light of the attitude of the Belarusian authorities to the events around South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea and Donbass, when Lukashenko took either a neutral or openly anti-Russian position.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 12 October 2017 14: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: rudolff
          The army of Belarus is slowly degrading

          Why did they get that it is degrading?
          Quote: rudolff
          Russian military bases do not allow Lukashenko to deploy on its territory

          And why is there a military base? It lacks the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus proper, and the second tier. If NATO decides to aggression, then there will be the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          Quote: rudolff
          So Russia has to either build up its grouping along the Belarusian border or pour money into the Belarusian army, which Lukashenko actually wants.

          Tell this to our GS- "The Americans deployed a brigade in Boleslawiec, Dravsko-Pomorsk, Torun, Skvezhin and Zagani.

          “At the same time, in Poland and the Baltic republics the abandoned military equipment of the 3rd American armored brigade did not go anywhere. Thus, contrary to all the statements of NATO and the United States about the "insignificance" of troops being drawn to the Russian borders, the de facto now deployed is not a brigade, but a mechanized division of the US Armed Forces, where you can transfer trained personnel from the nearest American base in Europe in 2 hours ( Ramstein, Germany), ”he said.

          According to Igor Konashenkov, all the "hysteria of the Baltic states and Poles" about the threat from Russia is similar to the "fraudulently played back information curtain of this Pentagon operation."

          “So who is preparing the aggression?” - summed up the official representative of the Ministry of Defense. "
          Quote: rudolff
          Especially in light of the attitude of the Belarusian authorities to the events around South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea and Donbass, when Lukashenko took either a neutral or openly anti-Russian position.

          Another nonsense. If it were necessary, there would be recognition, and whether it is necessary, and not only the Russian Federation ... therefore you do not repeat liberal cries, say oh oh, RB then yes, POLITICS it is higher than your small-town dreams and two times President Putin and Lukashenko will not wake up this topic, then you should be silent, they will somehow know more about why this is done.
          So .. just in case for you. Fucking secret, South Ossetia is a major producer of diesel locomotives, do you know where they come from?
          1. Olezhek
            12 October 2017 15: 54 New
            +2
            GSH- "deployed a brigade in Boleslawiec, Dravsko-Pomorsk, Torun, Skvezhin and Zagani


            What did the Belarusians answer?

            Another nonsense. If it were necessary, there would be recognition, but is it necessary, and not only the Russian Federation ... therefore you do not repeat liberal cries, they say


            You can’t imagine as far as it was necessary, but alas .... request
        2. Urry
          Urry 12 October 2017 15: 18 New
          +1
          I’m still wondering which of these, in the sense of you, cheers-patriots can at least somehow explain which bases in Belarus you need and why?
          Found some kind of bogeyman, and rush with him like crazy.
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 12 October 2017 20: 17 New
            +2
            Well, a couple of Air Force bases would be useful to the Russian Federation. Why are you against this?
  22. Catherine II
    Catherine II 12 October 2017 11: 00 New
    0
    If Lukashenko were more cunning, he would certainly send a hundred or two of the best Belarusian officers to the war in Syria. Fortunately, the opportunity was. And pilots, and gunners, and reconnaissance, and tankers
    ...
    What for? Spend money / get coffins / spoil relations / get into such a war just like that (under the guise of running around something / someone), few people have desires from small countries.
    1. avt
      avt 12 October 2017 11: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Catherine II
      few people have desires from small countries.

      bully Is it like? Like cheaters, or fool from home to the insane? For whom is this written? For those hamsters that don’t want to tap on the clave, but ask for a googel for OK? Well, about who
      Quote: Catherine II
      small countries.
      by order from the USA, and even voluntarily fights in the same Afghanistan, akGeorgia not being a member of NATO.
    2. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 15: 58 New
      +1
      Spend money / get coffins / spoil relations / get into such a war just like that (under the guise of running around something / someone)


      In the event of the defeat of the "unprepared for war" Belarusian army losses will be higher by orders of magnitude
      Both human and material
  23. Urry
    Urry 12 October 2017 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: rudolff
    Give new equipment, give money for the maintenance of the army. But at the same time, in your best traditions: you provide the Belarusian army, but we don’t want to see your bases here, more sovereign and independent! Nothing new. I change my smile to hard currency!


    What are the bases and for what? What are they to do here? Priority targets in case of conflict?
    Just explain what bases you expect to see and what tasks they will perform.
    New equipment is currently being produced at the expense of the budget of the Republic of Belarus, including for sale, namely, new or modernized equipment, which is no longer related to what was done in the USSR. We are designing and manufacturing new military equipment.
    If there are requests for some kind of equipment, then on preferential terms, yes, there is such a thing, but the reason for this is to consolidate the joint borders of the CIS, because the main goal for NATO is Russia, but not Belarus at all.
    1. Olezhek
      12 October 2017 20: 15 New
      +1
      What are the bases and for what? What are they to do here? Priority targets in case of conflict?
      Just explain what bases you expect to see and what tasks they will perform.


      Here's the funny thing: Latvians / Poles / Estonians have no such “smart” questions.
      They demand more and more American troops, but Belarusians just ask in surprise: "Why?"
  24. Tarasios
    Tarasios 12 October 2017 12: 53 New
    +2
    Calm detailed article. Without an abundance of numbers, but, nevertheless, it fully illuminates the Belarusian reality. Against the background of Lukashenko’s regular “loud” statements and deliberate “hugs” on camera with Poroshenko and Erdoganam - re-equipping Belarus for free according to the latest military science - would be the height of idiocy. After all, not today - tomorrow such an unstable Lukashenko can send the same weapon against Russia itself. Well, or at least sell it to "interested parties."
    That's strange: Lukashenko flirts with Europe, Turkey, Ukraine, rants a lot about the independence of a very proud Belarus - but does he expect freebies from Russia? It’s not just waiting, but demanding, sometimes frankly blackmailing with a certain “friendship”? Carrying out, at the same time, fraud with weapons, oil, and delivering to Russia “sanctioned” products, supposedly from wide Belarusian fields and seas;) It seems that this is direct evidence of Russia's excessive tolerance and even “softness”.
    PySy: a cool cap with a military uncle on the left hand from Lukashenko, in the very first photo;)
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 12 October 2017 14: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Tarasios
      tomorrow, such a fickle Lukashenko can send the same weapon against Russia itself. Well, or at least sell it to "interested parties."

      Look who's Talking!!!! laughing laughing laughing
  25. Varyag77
    Varyag77 12 October 2017 13: 26 New
    0
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    All this Belarusian independence, and even the “Belarusian miracle” promoted by some, rests on Russian hydrocarbons, loans, and so on and so forth. Lukashenko will play out soon and fly off for Yanukovych, and in Belarus we will get Ukraine No. 2.

    You’re yelling like that ... well, the inveterate Belarusian grant-eater is direct that the Poles shout the same thing.
    However, they mean events by the type of events in the Ruin, but who will let you do this?
    Anyway, a certain Varyag77-not representing anything from himself, imagines himself to be something at the level of the President of a union country? Nonsense, however.
    Quote: Varyag77
    Eternal give, give, give. Reluctance to rebuild the country and the cunning .. oh multi-vector not bring to good

    And your eternal "we must, must, must", is it better?
    You would temper your cries, Belarus is not our enemy, but the image of the enemy that you are sculpting from it, including from its President, in the West’s hand.
    Are you here for the United States, for their interests?

    I kind of asked not to comment on my posts. Not? Then please. It is extremely important for me that the opinion of such a "specialist" can’t sleep straight. Stop in the head just to eat. She can still be thought. I think that there is nothing a kind of baden, which is like a stopper in every barrel. Learn to think, analyze and respect your opponent. Then maybe your life will change for the better. now you just remind offense, which is trying to assert itself even on the Internet. Stop the baby.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 12 October 2017 14: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      Stop in the head just to eat. She can still be thought.

      So sometimes think, and do not eat into it, at times you get it, but not often.
      Quote: Varyag77
      Then maybe your life will change for the better. Now you just remind you of an offense, which is trying to assert itself, even on the Internet

      Are you so sorry about yourself?
      Oh, I don’t have candy for you, child, you’re not very reasonable ..
  26. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 12 October 2017 13: 55 New
    +3
    after the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine and Belarus there was a hell of a lot of tanks, guns and planes.
    What tanks are we talking about, tens of thousands of tanks, in Pecs, near Borisov, were sold back in the mid-90s. Leftovers sold out to Africa and Benderavets. In the Belarusian army now, if there will be a hundred tanks in combat ready condition, or even less. And as always there is no money for the Army, but there are enough for the nineteenth palace and a bunch of residences.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 12 October 2017 14: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Tolik_74
      benderavets

      Do you even understand what you're talking about? Facts on the table.
      Quote: Tolik_74
      In the Belarusian army now, if there will be a hundred tanks in combat ready condition, or even less.

      In the Belarusian army there are 4 mechanized brigades of 100 with a touch of tanks in each. And they are all on the go, because there is enough equipment in the hedgehog’s warehouses. And they are of the same type (T-72), which simplifies repair and maintenance. They even attributed the T-80 - one of them was installed in Zhitkovichi last year, like a museum exhibit ...
      Quote: Tolik_74
      and the nineteenth palace and a bunch of residences are enough.

      "Palaces" have not been built for a long time, due to the low payback due to low incomes of the population!
      Quote: Tolik_74
      And as always there is no money for the Army,

      There is always money for the army - simply not in the volumes that we would like because of the large social network! yes Yes, we spend very little among our neighbors on the army. And spending more - a howl will rise that Lukashenko is an aggressor and does not watch people lol Therefore, we spend little because we are not going to attack anyone request
  27. badens1111
    badens1111 12 October 2017 14: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Rurikovich
    And it’s easy to rock the public with such “analytical” articles (yes, Olezhka?), But it’s hard to settle everything. You won’t please anything .........

    It is very true that it would be written. Critics of different kinds would understand it the same way ...
  28. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 12 October 2017 15: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Quote: Tolik_74
    benderavets

    Do you even understand what you're talking about? Facts on the table.
    Quote: Tolik_74
    In the Belarusian army now, if there will be a hundred tanks in combat ready condition, or even less.

    In the Belarusian army there are 4 mechanized brigades of 100 with a touch of tanks in each. And they are all on the go, because there is enough equipment in the hedgehog’s warehouses. And they are of the same type (T-72), which simplifies repair and maintenance. They even attributed the T-80 - one of them was installed in Zhitkovichi last year, like a museum exhibit ...
    Quote: Tolik_74
    and the nineteenth palace and a bunch of residences are enough.

    "Palaces" have not been built for a long time, due to the low payback due to low incomes of the population!
    Quote: Tolik_74
    And as always there is no money for the Army,

    There is always money for the army - simply not in the volumes that we would like because of the large social network! yes Yes, we spend very little among our neighbors on the army. And spending more - a howl will rise that Lukashenko is an aggressor and does not watch people lol Therefore, we spend little because we are not going to attack anyone request

    You probably do not watch other channels except the channels, that's why you think how to live well in Belarus. And what a wonderful, “popularly elected” president you have, with a rating of 93%, and everyone around you gets a buttocks, free education and a doctor. So, yes ??
    1. Urry
      Urry 12 October 2017 15: 15 New
      0
      Tolik, sober, then write. Already cuts his eyes from such a scribble
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 12 October 2017 16: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Tolik_74
      You probably do not watch other channels except the channels, that's why you think how to live well in Belarus.

      I don’t watch TV at all wink , and if I look, then according to the availability of time and then in the evening "News" on RTR yes Previously, from 5-6 years ago I still looked and compared. And now no
      Quote: Tolik_74
      And what a wonderful, “popularly elected” president you have, with a rating of 93%, and everyone around you gets a buttocks, free education and a doctor. So, yes ??

      so choose another, let’s see how he leads to a brighter future. wink Want to experiment? - ask Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians, Ukrainians hi
      PS I look globally at the problem, and not "eat, poop and sleep" repeat
      1. ship
        ship 15 October 2017 04: 12 New
        0
        Rurikovich you decide at least
        1. Watching TV. "IN general, I do not watch" or "... I look .. according to the availability of time and then in the evening ..."
        2. with experiments. Is it that “the Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians” have experiments like these, or only the Ukrainians ?. But in Belarus, well, it’s not at all like in Ukraine, well, nothing similar ?.
        3. with ... problems. "I look globally at a problem ...". You are somehow really very modest.
        Although it may be so, but what problem are you looking at?
        You could not formulate the problem, unlike Yegorov, the author of the article., And hang noodles on your ears, twist figs, moreover, not as elegantly as Alexander Grigorievich.
  29. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 13 October 2017 09: 17 New
    0
    Astoria,
    request I will not argue - live in your fantasies and fantasies hi
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 14 October 2017 07: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Rurikovich
      I will not argue - live in your fantasies and fantasies hi

      Analogy wink drinks hi
  30. ship
    ship 14 October 2017 01: 01 New
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    While reading the article I constantly asked myself a question - yes, who wrote this? and to himself - well, probably, Yegorov. I read it to the end, I look and in fact Egorov.
    The correct article. For a little - “And now it’s kind of too late: Belarusians are sincerely convinced that the basis of sovereignty is the Belarusian language with embroidered shirts and draniki ...”, not all Belarusians think so, but like “Rurikovich” and others.
  31. Lexus
    Lexus 14 October 2017 10: 49 New
    +1
    I visited Belarus two years ago, I was directly nostalgic for the USSR - I thought people live here. Neither you major in gelika, nor Asians-Gaster, no ghetto areas with houses on top of each other. At night you can walk in the reserve (there is no crime and convenience stores). Everything is clean and repaired, ideally all roads are cultivated - such a contrast with the Pskov region is near - roads are killed, everything is abandoned, houses are falling apart and only logging trucks carry forest everywhere from the EU (this year, by the way, it became much better in Pskov).
    The dad would have thought everything to us as a guarantor - in a moment I would have fished for majors, and they would shoot their daddies with governors (Pskov and others), and set Asians at home.
    Now I think it would be us instead of an iPhone .. A strong man and disinterested. Such only respect.
    From our poverty, ordinary people shy away from us like from plague. Well, from the bestial mouth of all Chubais and other shuvalov. - he would have shied away.
    But in politics, the Old Man began to look like a "girl of low social standards." I won’t be left alone. It’s Switzerland that nobody needs. Just as they will not leave Russia alone - only from what it is (with a huge territory, forest, gas and a nuclear club). With its mere existence, Russia endangers the emission of the dollar and democracy around the world.
    Belarus is perceived in NATO as a porch of the Russian Federation (and a porch staggering). Belarusians want this or not. Instantly, at the right time, they will arrange a “revolution of dignity” for them, or if the Russian Federation weakens a little (yes, Putin suddenly gets sick) they will work out the 2008 Georgia option.
    A friend can be given money and weapons. And the conversation with the girls is short - the money is paid, be kind, work out the number.
    Recognition of Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea would help us a lot. As well as the air force base and the deployment of the Iskander.
    Well, the production of weapons develops all industry and science. I hate clowns that pi ... children that need to cut defense spending. Thanks to the expenditures of the Moscow Region, industry and the entire economy were stirred up. And the hell of the 90s is half because of the arisen defense plants.
  32. Strategy
    Strategy 14 October 2017 16: 35 New
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    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
    A strange conclusion suggests itself:
    Lukashenko, integrate the Republic of Belarus into the Russian Federation and you will have a modern army! Automatically, without any investment.


    Not a strange, but terrible, and not a conclusion, but a question - why did Old Man for 25 years not join Belarus to Russia?

    Would you like to steer everything?

    That's practically drunk!

    And the conclusion is: REMOVE FROM THE STEERING!

    How some people want to remove the Old Man, it already itches! Belarus does not have natural resources, as in Russia, but its OWN production can provide the country with the main types of products, in contrast, again, from the Russian Federation.
    1. ship
      ship 14 October 2017 21: 57 New
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      If you have your own production, the country is provided with the main types of products, there are no natural resources, as in Russia (!?), (where does Russia and its resources?), Can it be ruled forever?
      Strange logic, Strategia, do not you think so, despite the fact that you ignore many other things, do not notice at point blank range?
      1. Strategy
        Strategy 16 October 2017 21: 50 New
        +1
        It "eternally" seems to infuriate you most of all. You play it, temporary workers and oligarchs come - remember Luke, but it will be too late ... You can’t live alone with egoistic wishes, you need to think about society and the country (not the state!)
        1. ship
          ship 17 October 2017 01: 03 New
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          Strategia, PLEASE., Less invent your own horror stories and do not go in cycles. It was personally addressed to you - ". Much more you ignore, do not notice point blank?". Now no question already.
          "You can’t live by egoistic Wishlist alone, you need to think about society and the country (not the state!)." “Play it out, temporary workers and oligarchs will come ,,,” - the right wishes and send them to Lukashenko, personally to him, as I am to you.

          Lukashenko started without debts, now ... WITHOUT Lukashenko, Strategia, debts will not go anywhere, they will remain. Debts will have to be repaid. And then they will “remember Luke, but it will be too late ...” Three patriots are already languishing under investigation. You will not find Russian names of streets and roads. Polish conspirators. rebels are the best people of Belarus. Of course, that you know about the main avenue of the hero city of Minsk, the Bandera procession, of course, you know and I think you liked it, I have no doubt about it. .
  33. xomaNN
    xomaNN 16 October 2017 21: 29 New
    +1
    But father expects to leak through the rain without an umbrella army and DO NOT get wet bully But he is NOT eternal. And what will the changer be? yes
    1. ship
      ship 17 October 2017 01: 06 New
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      "And what will the changer be?" No one knows yet.