Electronic weapons - a new reason to fear Russia

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New radio electronic weapon, which is being developed in Russia, will become “more powerful than a nuclear bomb” and will be able to incapacitate entire armies, the article says in the Daily Star British tabloid.

“The most impressive development is the powerful Alabuga electromagnetic rocket, which is capable of shutting down all the missile warheads and on-board communication systems of the aircraft of the enemy army within a kilometer 3,5 radius,” the article quotes. RIA News.



The author of the article claims that “an important feature of a rocket is its ability to block automation tanks and detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret. " At the same time, the publication expressed concern that “even soldiers hiding underground at a depth of up to one hundred meters” cannot escape the new weapons.

Remote clearance machine "Foliage"

The tabloid also mentions the Foliage remote clearance machines, which are capable of neutralizing explosive devices remotely, “undermining radio-controlled land mines using microwave radiation.”

Earlier, the director general of the Radio Electronic Technologies concern Vladimir Mikheev noted that Alabuga is not a specific weapon, but a whole complex of scientific research, during which the main directions of development of future radio electronic weapons are identified. According to him, these developments have fallen into the category of technology "with the highest secrecy."
  • bastion-karpenko.ru/The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. +16
    October 1 2017
    Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips smile
    1. +30
      October 1 2017
      They relied on precision weapons based on semiconductors and what they wanted us to look at. That's the threat we have found an antidote. They defend missile defense against our vigorous argument, so it is again on microelectronics laughing And our oak inertial will somehow deliver them a package, ICBMs must be in the city, and Status-6 in general in the country wassat
      1. +7
        October 1 2017
        I don’t like such hatred, they should not talk about such weapons on every corner ...
        1. +15
          October 1 2017
          Quote: cniza
          I don’t like such hatred, they should not talk about such weapons on every corner ...

          Having systems that make an enemy attack impossible is the best way to prevent war. For more than half a century, ICBMs have been keeping the world, but now their stealth and CD, including promising ones, are becoming useless. Let them calm down and read the works of Ufimtsev and others there again. Maybe they will notice something new. But in fact, their forty-year development of weapons systems has been crossed out in a fairly simple way.
          1. +5
            October 1 2017
            It seems that you are saying everything correctly, but you should not be complacent, I am in this regard ...
            1. +9
              October 1 2017
              Quote: cniza
              but you can’t be complacent

              So after all, we put in Gauges, wherever possible, we slap atomic boats, the entire line of good old BRs, though with maneuvering blocks, etc. I would not say that they have calmed down so much, I would say we increase the pressure and pressure. laughing
              1. +9
                October 1 2017
                Still, the civil industry should be pulled up at such a pace, then you can have a drink. drinks
                1. +17
                  October 1 2017
                  Quote: cniza
                  Still, the civil industry should be pulled up at such a pace, then you can have a drink. drinks

                  Say the right thing, Comrade!
                  “We must build our economy in such a way,” said Stalin, “so that our country does not turn into an appendage of the world capitalist system, so that it is not included in the general scheme of capitalist development as its subsidiary enterprise ...” (How burning these words sound today!)
                  1. +3
                    October 1 2017
                    Yeah, it's time to move from words to action and focus less on "isms."
                    1. +2
                      October 1 2017
                      Quote: cniza
                      Yeah, it's time to move from words to action and focus less on "isms."

                      Do you have a plan What do we have to do? smile
                      1. 0
                        October 1 2017
                        Quote: iConst
                        What do we have to do?


                        If the confrontation now looks like this, then we need to shield the factory floor with thick sheets of metal. Sooner or later, all the same weapons will appear in the United States. One must be prepared in advance.
                2. +2
                  October 1 2017
                  Quote: cniza
                  Still, the civil industry should be pulled up at such a pace, then you can have a drink.

                  One without another nezya, competitors in the world do not like crying It is necessary to prove that you deserve your place under the sun, in the world only respect power!
        2. +5
          October 1 2017
          Quote: cniza
          I don’t like such hatred, they should not talk about such weapons on every corner ...

          If I have Makarov in my pocket, and you do not know, then you are not afraid and do not undertake the costs of the corresponding weapons. Better, of course, superior.
          To push you into spending, I have to show the edge of what's in my pocket. Example with a "leak of information" on Status-6. This is how you have to be a "boob" to show your trump card? Isn't that from the same opera?
        3. 0
          October 1 2017
          Quote: cniza
          I don’t like such hatred, they should not talk about such weapons on every corner ...

          When it is. wink
        4. +1
          October 1 2017
          Why on every corner. To know and not twitch, and afraid. It’s easier to negotiate on any issue. It is like free entry to any visa-free regime. This is the end - of the entire American missile defense system in Europe. That means spent all the money down the drain.
      2. +3
        October 1 2017
        Why the hell are they all sorts of things? They are shivering without reason.
      3. 0
        October 1 2017
        Quote: hrych
        ... we found the antidote to the threat ...

        If they had found, they would have been silent, and kept secret for seven seals. Another British journalist decided to scare the British inhabitants, by order of the British Ministry of Defense, who want to get more grandmothers "under this business" from the budget. request
        Because even schoolchildren (those who know how to use their heads) already know that military electronics are protected from electromagnetic radiation, and such has been produced for 50 for years. Yes
        1. +1
          October 1 2017
          If I studied well at school, I would know that shielding (with the same Faraday cage) does not treat EMI laughing The Faraday cage protects only from the electric field. A static magnetic field will penetrate. And EMR differs in that it is a magnetic pulse laughing Learn son, you will know a lot, you will not write nonsense, especially about schoolchildren. If you roll up the microcircuit in a meter lead pencil case, then the benefits of this electronics will not be more. For fighting, you need to set the electronics elements from the mink laughing those. set the seeker, radar, AFAR, etc. There the wiring burns out and so on. Only the optical fiber is stable and that ... You just can’t imagine what EMR is. Such a super-release of energy in a nuclear, and even more so thermo-nuclear explosion, and you with your own lattice laughing
          1. 0
            October 2 2017
            Quote: hrych
            EMP is not treated laughing Faraday cage protects only from the electric field. A static magnetic field will penetrate. And the EMP differs in that it is a magnetic impulse, Learn son, you will know a lot ...

            Yes grunt, with such pathos and aplomb only you know how to sit in a puddle. laughing
            Catch the link - learn the materiel. tongue
            http://www.russianelectronics.ru/leader-r/review/
            8627 / doc / 51368 /
            1. 0
              October 2 2017
              What are you bothering me with if you still don’t understand what EMR is, just read about the consequences of the American hydrogen bomb tests. About our information is less when not something that burns out electronics, burns out the wiring and winding. Once again I say for the dull, there is a level of energy, there is the speed of an impulse, etc. We will give Hezbollah weaker samples to test on you, babies with megalomania (chosenness), and on whom else to experience wassat So use your pens there in anti-tank and anti-aircraft combat. And then the last time they draped and left a bunch of scrap metal from Merkav - the best tanks that no one buys wassat Now Hezbollah will be freed from Syria and to visit you with combat experience and the latest weapons systems, including electronic warfare.
      4. ZVO
        0
        October 1 2017
        Quote: hrych
        and Status-6 generally to the country wassat

        Carriers of sphero-window Status-6 - we have potentially only 1.
        The carrier of Status-6 will not be able to leave the base without escort of 3-5-10 US boats.
        He simply will not be allowed.
        Do not think about others that they are dumber than you.
        1. 0
          October 1 2017
          Quote: ZVO
          Carriers of sphero-window Status-6 - we have potentially only 1.

          He will not need a carrier at all, because this drone has a nuclear power plant, he himself is a carrier with unlimited range. This is so note.
          Quote: ZVO
          He simply will not be allowed.

          So that evil spirits do not fall into the tail, anti-submarine forces begin their routine work, namely, in addition to detection, they also activate mines, etc. For these are our territorial waters and what we want, we’ll make towns. The drone itself moves at depths beyond the reach of the PLO; it does not have a submarine limitation. It is very quiet, its size is minimal, it has no crew shortcomings. In addition to its turn from the pier, delivery by a special nuclear-powered ship, can be delivered secretly to the point of discharge by civil vessels, etc. In short, I have to compensate for your gaps, study the topic yourself, everything is available. laughing
          1. ZVO
            0
            October 2 2017
            Quote: hrych
            In short, I need to compensate for your gaps, study the topic yourself, everything is available. laughing


            compensate for your gap in the navigation of underwater vehicles ...
            1. 0
              October 2 2017
              The usual inertial, and unlike ICBMs, is even less accurate. ICBMs need to get into the city, and Status needs to get to the coast, country, continent wassat
              1. ZVO
                0
                October 2 2017
                Quote: hrych
                The usual inertial, and unlike ICBMs, is even less accurate. ICBMs need to get into the city, and Status needs to get to the coast, country, continent wassat


                Read about underwater atomic explosions and their destruction.
                Three years ago, I laid out calculations here that clearly make it clear that even 50 MT and even 100 MT is not really a destructive factor for the coastline of a large state during an underwater atomic explosion in a bay of any port.
                This is a prodigy.

                don't believe me - look at the energy of the earthquake. that caused the tsunami.
                Compare the orders of energies.
                And then rub off with this stupid garbage, like Status-6.
                1. 0
                  October 2 2017
                  I do not believe you unequivocally. Because you didn’t do modeling on a pond, you don’t even imagine that there is a hundred-megaton explosion because it never happened. Kurchatov did not even dare and limited power. And honestly, no offense, do not care about your opinion. The same academician Vostretsov is much more authoritative than you. And he said that the wave is already 700 meters and hello. If the luminous region of the Kuz'kina mother was a ball 10 km away, and this is the calculated charge reduced by half. Moreover, the simulation showed that the explosion is much stronger than the calculated one, etc. I am simply shocked by your brother, how much you do not understand the level of energy of these processes. If only we thought about how the Americans decided to continue the race, we went by hybrid dirty tricks, with such bookmarks as you, let's do utopia with invisibility and stealing the Kyrgyz Republic, etc. The nuclear technology race was lost by them then and forever.
          2. ZVO
            0
            October 2 2017
            Quote: hrych

            So that evil spirits do not fall into the tail, anti-submarine forces begin their routine work, namely, in addition to detection, they also activate mines, etc. For these are our territorial waters and what we want, we’ll make towns.

            Leave your fantasies wet.
            90% of collisions between Soviet and American submarines were either in our territorial waters or in the BS zones.
            Not a single American, English. etc. boats were not sunk by a mine in the waters of our responsibility.
            So these are all your wet dreams ..
            1. 0
              October 2 2017
              I tell you about the fighting situation when the war started. And when the tails are chopped off by a nuclear mine wassat And the doctrine of the Russian Federation and the USSR is different and they know about it, after the Kursk Order to drown everything. This is not a peaceful and stupid USSR. You are my little, Dunno, with whom there and who came across and where you came across you cannot know, no matter how you grumble. In addition to the dark history of Kursk where you will never know the truth. Yes, when the breakthrough of our missile carriers into the Atlantic was required due to the short range of the missiles, there was a chance for SOSUS to catch between Greenland and Scotland and tail in the tail, but these times have passed. Nuclear submarines leave for the Arctic, under the cover of one of the most powerful formations in the world - SF. Moreover, Boreas, as the fastest missile carrier in history, is not intercepted. Even if you knew at least a little about the underwater warfare, and Bandera was not strong in this, you had the knowledge that the Sivulfs and Los Angeles should not move no more than 20 knots in order to not be noisy, they are in our waters, and if there is more turbulence they will be issued and greetings. This is a dream or not, but your masters cannot do a damn thing, then they took Crimea from under its nose, or the Great Cavus. Ridge then Syria. Therefore, your dreams crashed. And now it’s just ridiculous to watch over you how the news, and western ones, about Russian supremacy, cause you attacks of furious denial laughing And the funnel will come to visit you soonwassat
              1. ZVO
                0
                October 2 2017
                Quote: hrych

                one of the most powerful compounds in the world - SF.
                Borea, as the fastest missile carrier in history, is not intercepted.
                And the funnel will come to visit you soon


                What an enchanting type ...
                Just fabulous ...
                So much nonsense in one opus.

                Once again I tell you: "I drank it, I smoked it - don’t sit down at the clave!"
                1. 0
                  October 2 2017
                  Here they are already coming for the Tahrir people. You are not an exception. It may not be so dangerous for our state and society, but we are fighting a war and one devil will have to get rid of the fifth column, including enemy propagandists. At a certain moment, Kyle in hand and forward, this happened more than once, if not directly to the expense. This is the law of society, after the thaw there is a reaction. Enemies, including ideological ones, will be unambiguously destroyed. So you can say a word for now, but for now.
    2. +7
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Thrall
      Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips smile

      Every joke has some truth...
      Something tells me intuition that we have this for a long time! It’s not for nothing that Putin behaves so confidently in foreign policy (he constantly smiles mysteriously ..) despite the persecution and screams around the world!
      But against the internal enemies of the fatherland, there is no weapon yet (it was easier for Stalin ..)))
      1. +2
        October 1 2017
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        But against the internal enemies of the fatherland, no weapons yet

        Maybe there is, but it's secret!
      2. +1
        October 1 2017
        Not without reason and half of the Tomogawks in Syria did not fly and disappeared somewhere ....
    3. +8
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Thrall
      Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips
      - Khan to the enemies! But this does not threaten us !!!
      1. +5
        October 1 2017
        “The most impressive development is the powerful Alabuga electromagnetic missile, which can shut off all missile warheads and airborne communications systems of enemy aircraft within a radius of 3,5 kilometers”

        Oh, to invent a rocket that would turn off the brains of all kinds of Clintons and trumps! Yes, and for some of our gorukukamvoditelyam would not hurt such a development! Yes
        1. +4
          October 1 2017
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Oh, to invent a rocket that would turn off the brains of all kinds of Clintons and trumps
          - Wow! They have long been Dumb!
          1. +3
            October 1 2017
            Quote: oldseaman1957
            - Wow! They have long been Dumb!

            So you need to turn off these stupid heads so that they do not do another stupid thing! Yes
            1. +8
              October 1 2017
              If you take away those dumb heads, they will put them even dumber. And it will be endlessly, because Russia and the West have different development paths and an understanding of what is happening in the world is almost the opposite.
              1. win
                +2
                October 1 2017
                If you take away those dumb heads, they will put them even dumber. And it will be ad infinitum


                Have you ever heard people say about a lack of mental abilities: stupid lion, stupid panther, you cheetah! Not?
                And about the Americans? That's it!
                PS The US population is 326 million ... laughing
                1. +5
                  October 1 2017
                  The people in the world have never and never decided anything and will not decide.
        2. 0
          October 1 2017
          Quote: SRC P-15
          “The most impressive development is the powerful Alabuga electromagnetic missile, which can shut off all missile warheads and airborne communications systems of enemy aircraft within a radius of 3,5 kilometers”

          Oh, to invent a rocket that would turn off the brains of all kinds of Clintons and trumps! Yes, and for some of our gorukukamvoditelyam would not hurt such a development! Yes

          and the Kremlin?
        3. +1
          October 1 2017
          It is impossible to disable what is not!
    4. +1
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Thrall
      Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips smile

      using enemy microchips?
      For twenty years, the great lifter has not lifted microelectronics from its knees.
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        1. 0
          October 1 2017
          Quote: kos2910
          Quote: ID90
          Quote: Thrall
          Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips smile

          using enemy microchips?
          For twenty years, the great lifter has not lifted microelectronics from its knees.

          Or maybe you do not need to whine in vain? Not everything is cloudless, but work is ongoing. http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%
          D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%
          D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%81%D
          1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B

          not be rude, please.
          Do you have a lot of Russian electronics at home?
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    5. +1
      October 1 2017
      ... an important feature of the rocket is its ability to block the automation of tanks and detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret ...

      And then we scored another cant .... wassat
    6. 0
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Thrall
      Rays of the Kremlin burn enemy chips smile

      And the remains of common sense in the heads of the exam generation. recourse
  2. +15
    October 1 2017
    I sneezed yesterday, already snot flew!
    O new reason they fear Russia ...
    1. +6
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Logall
      I sneezed yesterday, already snot flew!
      O new reason they fear Russia ...
      - Thank God that I didn’t guess the fart ...
      1. +4
        October 1 2017
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        - Thank God that I didn’t guess the fart ...

        And this is for the most extreme case. The last argument, so to speak.
        1. +14
          October 1 2017
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Quote: Logall
          I sneezed yesterday, already snot flew!
          O new reason they fear Russia ...
          - Thank God that I didn’t guess the fart ...

          The neighbor regretted it!
          I mean that the West ascribes conceivable and inconceivable merits, just to catch fear, to create any informational reason to confront Russia. As an aggressor ...
      2. +2
        October 1 2017
        A man washes jeans ... and condemns ... damn it ... you can't trust anyone ... I just wanted to fart ...
  3. +4
    October 1 2017
    (A new electronic weapon that is being developed in Russia will become “more powerful than a nuclear bomb” and will be able to disable entire armies.)

    Well, this is still a prospect and not close, but today Russia has taken control of GPS in the Black Sea region and there is evidence of this. But, if one region is taken under control, then there are no obstacles to controlling other regions. What does it mean? Think correctly.
    1. +12
      October 1 2017
      "Located on land in the port of Gelendzhik"
      Duc, this ... on land - it is more reliable laughing
      PS: There are no random links on the topic? I'll be very thankful hi
      1. +3
        October 1 2017
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack


        Hey. No reference. Search on "tape.ru", took from there.
    2. +3
      October 1 2017
      The GPS-e, EMNIP, the military mode of operation, in case of its activation, civilian receivers, to put it mildly, begin to show not quite what is needed. Therefore, we and China, Europe and India are developing their own positioning systems. All this was discussed in sufficient detail when the constellation of GLONASS satellites reached the possibility of civilian use. And there are a lot of cases of such “failures” with GPS, and the conclusion is clear: the mattresses practically work out the methods of operating their system in the conditions of warfare, and test different modes. Well, ships on land or cars in the Fontanka, these are already costs. Negro problems laughing
      1. +1
        October 1 2017
        Quote: zhekazs
        zhekazs


        Hello and thank you.
      2. +1
        October 1 2017
        Quote: zhekazs
        With GPS, there is quite a lot and the conclusion is the same: mattresses practically work out the techniques of their system in the conditions of warfare, test different modes.

        In any case interesting to them, GPS can give incorrect data, as a result of which, for example, a plane crash can occur, and the culprit, as they say, has already been found!
  4. +2
    October 1 2017
    "An important feature of the rocket is its ability to block the automation of tanks and detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret."

    ... something painfully futuristically all of this ... though ... recourse
  5. +4
    October 1 2017
    Electronic weapons - a new reason to fear Russia

    About microwave
  6. +3
    October 1 2017
    "A new electronic weapon that is being developed in Russia will become" more powerful than a nuclear bomb "and will be able to disable entire armies, the article says in the British tabloid Daily Star."
    And here is a new horror story about dense Russia, which enemy lords and congressmen will scare each other at their mattress parties in the wrong trembling candlelight. Moa ha ha!
  7. +2
    October 1 2017
    Judging by the photo, we still use the "Shot" and "Bulat" in the troops
    1. 0
      October 7 2017
      Yes, I also noticed that the "Shot" still found application. :)
  8. +2
    October 1 2017
    If you turn off the GPS, then all their weapons will cease to function ...
    1. +2
      October 1 2017
      Well, the m16 will not stop shooting, but with positioning on the ground, spoiled children can have problems. They probably did not have any paper cards at all. It’s easier for us, especially for those who have not forgotten what a pack of Belomor is laughing
  9. +3
    October 1 2017
    If the products described here will once be mass-produced by us and the adversary, which I’m not sure about, then the wars will happen as in the twentieth century: orders will be given by launching a rocket, and engines will be started with a crank and such and such a mother, and our victory will be ensured
  10. 0
    October 1 2017
    The guys are darkening something, they are talking about technology with the highest security classification in an interview. This can also show the potential enemy the direction in which to work ?!
    1. 0
      October 1 2017
      It's called poker - bluffing. What is easier?
    2. +1
      October 1 2017
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      The guys are darkening something, they are talking about technology with the highest security classification in an interview. This can also show the potential enemy the direction in which to work ?!

      There, the guys don’t clap their ears, I think they knew it well already at the development stage, 90 years were a haven for spies, and the tops laughed with pleasure from the west and merged the west with a wide Russian soul!
  11. +3
    October 1 2017
    Are we monsters to be afraid of us? ?? Russia needs to be respected and appreciated! !! You can also need to also love, but be afraid - let only enemies! !!
  12. +2
    October 1 2017
    Even if there is only a small fraction of the correct information, which is easily explained, let it be so anyway. Let our "friends and partners" scratch their heads, and what if? This is not the Papuans, but the ever-present Russian barbarians, unpredictable and incomprehensible. That's where the fear is!
  13. +3
    October 1 2017
    Quote: cniza
    I don’t like such hatred, they should not talk about such weapons on every corner ...

    People do not even pay attention to the fact that this is published in a tabloid. In Russian speaking in the "yellow press".
    What is only saying
    A new electronic weapon that is being developed in Russia will become “more powerful than a nuclear bomb” and will be able to disable entire armies .... within a radius of 3,5 kilometers, ”


    Or
    that "an important feature of the rocket is its ability to block the automation of tanks and detonate artillery shells inside the gun turret."

    Okay, even with the automation of the tank. And if the shell has a mechanical fuse, will it also explode inside the tower?

    Well, it killed
    At the same time, the publication expressed concern that “even soldiers hiding underground at a depth of up to one hundred meters” will not be able to hide.
    . It means that there are enough concrete or earthworks of a certain thickness from the EMP of a nuclear explosion, but you can’t hide from these weapons "at a depth of one hundred meters".
    What’s new, actually? EMNIP back in the years 80-90, our magazine ZVO published materials on Western samples of electromagnetic ammunition (mortar mines, shells). And suddenly it turns out that we are doing something completely the same that others do not ???
  14. 0
    October 1 2017
    The struggle of the sword and shield. For each new threat of the Russian Federation will find its answer and the enemy will not like this answer! But what did they actually want us to sit and wait for them to come to us and we will meet them with bread and salt? Will it be salt from a gun to the fifth point of them.
  15. 0
    October 1 2017
    Good is good, but let’s do it without a child’s “Urya, I am the most, the most”: 1 journalism is the “second oldest profession”, and especially in the West, we traditionally copy the good and the bad in everything, they will mess up and not blush. Where is the guarantee that not siphoned off from NATO? 2. Even if it will be a publication of the Red Star: "fell into the category of technology" the highest security stamp ", which means that the journalist has room for imagination. Maybe its radius of action is 350m, or maybe 350km, we won’t be informed. I’m sure that such a thing already exists in the development or production of the General Electric. As a child, I got the magazine "Soviet Warrior" and there some colonel told me that radars were developed almost simultaneously, which means there is something similar or will appear in NATO
  16. 0
    October 1 2017
    Extremely inhumane weapons that incapacitate enemy smartphones, which, as liberohs explained to us, are the highest achievement of civilization and an indicator of the country's level of development. laughing
  17. +1
    October 1 2017
    As always, the thing is tanga. At first, cassettes were sold around the world, then right now flash drives / although the drives were invented before the tape /. There were lamps, right now the microcircuit. I read it, silicon of the type "exhausted" the possibilities - they will get on the nanograph grains. I hope our thread is already "Elabuga “they get along under that graphene, so that the iPhones-1000” were put out for 99km.
  18. 3vs
    0
    October 1 2017
    Oh, it’s not in vain that the arrogant Saxons in Cuba suddenly died ... bully
  19. ZVO
    0
    October 1 2017
    How can you be afraid of an electromagnetic mine clearing mine? operating at a speed of 3 kilometers per hour?
  20. 0
    October 2 2017
    we were scared of the reagan by the soy program ... our country climbed out of our skin so that in response to the blizzard and energy to build and exploded ...
    these little things with radio-pulse weapons are our answer to cherberlen

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