In Ukraine, crashed military aircraft

Information Service UNIAN With reference to a representative of the Khmelnitsky Regional State Administration of Ukraine, reports on the fall of the Ukrainian military aircraft. According to the latest data, the plane crashed about twenty kilometers from the city of Khmelnitsky.

Local authorities report that the L-39 (Albatros) combat training aircraft has fallen. He flew into the air from the airfield of the military unit located in the settlement of Starokonstantinovo, Khmelnitsky region.

About the fate of the crew data for some time was not. It is reported that rescue teams, as well as representatives of the main military department of Ukraine, left for the crash site.

About an hour after the crash, the headquarters of the Air Force of Ukraine in social networks reports that both pilots were killed.

Press Service of the Air Force of Ukraine:

The commission of command of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left for the scene to clarify the circumstances; investigative and operational actions are being conducted. The reasons aviation disasters are emerging.

Comments

[Corsair0304]

Well. Unfortunately this happens.

[figwam]

Quote: Corsair0304

Well. Unfortunately this happens.

There is a double feeling, on the one hand, it’s a pity, the training plane, and probably with an experienced instructor there was also a young cadet, and on the other hand, the army of the outskirts is mentally prepared to kill us.

[helmi8]

Quote: figvam

probably with an experienced instructor

There are no already experienced instructors there ... Maybe one out of a hundred. All experienced went away in the mid-nineties, and who remained - already quit by age.

[Finches]

Somehow this news leaves me completely indifferent ... It seems to me that the resource has already been worked out, and there is no money for proper maintenance, so they are falling with enviable regularity! In September, there were only 3 aircraft, albeit two others not from the APU ... However, these are exclusively the problems of the strongest army in the Universe and the most prosperous power on Earth.

[Maz]

Strange sho Toko alone. I was traveling from Kiev and watched a flight for a moment29 they abnormally flew over the fields at an altitude of not more than 45 meters. Or maybe less. Parallel to the track for cars. For hell, so risk yourself and the machine, she also two pairs. The humor of the situation is that they flew over the new cemetery for those who were brought in wooden macs

[Msta]

Flights at low altitudes are practiced to break through enemy air defense systems, so this makes sense.

[Lucy]

Training flights at extremely low altitudes (less than 200 m.) Are made along the routes for flights at these altitudes defined in the IFP.
What is the air defense breakthrough on the MiG-29?
Aviation is not the use of RSL, OGAS, GAS, APR ... for search, tracking ..... PL.

[fa2998]

In principle, everything that is correct - 30-40 year old L-39s, produced in a non-existing Czechoslovakia should fall, the resource is exhausted. Better explain why the newest Yak-130s fall.

[RL]

Must fall ?! Listen, wonder, why such aerobatic teams as Baltic Bees Jet Team (flew and showed the wonders of aerobatics at MAKS 2017) and the Breitling Jet Team fly on old Czechoslovak L-39s? Yes, because there is nothing better for these purposes. This is not the Yak-130 that crashes. Even Italians, Chinese and South Koreans can do better than Russia - Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master, Hongdu L-15 Lie Ying, T-50 Golden Eagle (골든 이글)

[Olegovi4]

Quote: RL

This is not for you Yak-130, which falls

re-read the article a miracle. then your old woman fell. or completely waist-high wooden?

[Filxnumx]

And do not tell me, dear connoisseur of ostentatious technique, why the Kamaz-master team at the Paris-Dakar races does not perform at serial products of the car factory in Naberezhnye Chelly? The Baltic bees from L-39 only have a glider, since they definitely do not use the AI-25 or AI-225 Ukrainian engines

[Piramidon]

Quote: Fil743

And do not tell me, dear connoisseur of ostentatious technique, why the Kamaz-master team at the Paris-Dakar races does not perform at serial products of the car factory in Naberezhnye Chelly?

And whose team in these races uses cars taken from the assembly line?

[Msta]

You do not confuse warm with sour. Today they fly not L-39, but L-39MS, they are L-59. These are newer aircraft.

[Lucy]

Not wrong

[Lord of the Sith]

Accidentally, the Russian drone is not seen there?

[tol100v]

Quote: Sith Lord

Accidentally, the Russian drone is not seen there?

And of course the operator of this drone was ....!

[HAM]

Explicitly one of the recently "modernized" in combat.

[MARIO1970]

SHO? AGAIN PUTIN ??????

[Alekseits]

And who else is capable of this?

[pvv113]

reports the fall of the Ukrainian military aircraft

Today I read the comments on the video about the roll-out of the Tu-22M3 bomber from the runway in Shaikovka. The crew remained alive, the aircraft is to be restored. But how much bile and rot in the comments of the Europeans! So for the fall of the Ukrainian plane I have no regrets

[region58]

Quote: pvv113

But how much bile and rot in the comments of the Europeans!

But should they be like? Similarly:

... The experience of history says that the Hitlers come and go, but the German people, and the German state remains.
People's Commissar of Defense I. Stalin

[pvv113]

I’m not going to be like them, but no sympathy

[region58]

Quote: pvv113

I'm not going to be like them

I'm not specifically about you (you justified your opinion), I'm talking about the general trend. There is a lot of bile from our side.

[pvv113]

I do not argue, the Anglo-Saxons achieved their goal by sowing enmity between fraternal peoples. Now it’s not known how many years will pass until this enmity disappears

[just exp]

Yes, only horses that were Judas will remain.

[tol100v]

Quote: just explo

Yes, only horses that were Judas will remain.

Judah - it is mildly said!

[rocket757]

Aircraft training, respectively, "gouged" by many generations of cadets!
For all the simplicity and durability of specialized equipment, they don’t live that much.
Let's say for many years I was idle ... anyway, the strength of the glider and the reliability of the main components ... are beyond the limits of wise use. collapsed himself!
The question is how to learn to fly such ... cadets do not mind?

[Rushnairfors]

Rocket757, we are taught the same. In general, the L-39 IS AN EQUIPMENT !!!

[Lucy]

So there was a broken-down conclusion of the chairman of the commission.

[rocket757]

We are taught at the "corn farmers" ... and then with a tractor from the cliff they pick out everything that remains
Training equipment is subjected to awkward tests in the hands of "future pilots" ... you would have listened to the statements of a garage neighbor, aircraft technician, from this training center !!!
This is his expression, "so many do not live."
And for the value, vitality and the NEED of educational equipment I have no doubt MORE.
Moreover, living for many years near the training of flyers, you involuntarily know about all flight accidents.
By the way, as far as I can remember, Elka flew, i.e. the plane is old ... I’m generally silent about the maize.

[Lester7777]

Well done pilots. One missiles saved.

[Msta]

Good news. Two less Bandera.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Msta

Good news. Two less Bandera.

You yourself spin the flywheel of hatred. Ukrainian reserve officers, those who do not support this power, also read VO. And they draw conclusions not in your favor.

[Msta]

And there is nothing to untwist, everyone has already untwisted. From the 1994 of the year, Ukraine fought against Russia in the Caucasus, under the banners of Dudayev, then under the banners of Saakashvili, then burned the Russians alive in Odessa and staged the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbas ... And now forgive everything ?! You won’t wait from me!

[Normal ok]

Quote: Msta

And there is nothing to untwist, everyone has already untwisted. From the 1994 of the year, Ukraine fought against Russia in the Caucasus, under the banners of Dudayev, then under the banners of Saakashvili, then burned the Russians alive in Odessa and staged the genocide of the Russian people in the Donbas ... And now forgive everything ?! You won’t wait from me!

I do not need your forgiveness. Fought in Chechnya several dozen frostbitten. There, the Russians were on the side of Dudaev. And what you are doing is now inciting hatred, adding fuel to the fire.

[Msta]

Mr. Volodimir Smirnenko, your Ukraine fought against Chechnya in Russia, and not a bunch of bandits. If Ukraine didn’t support them, it would give them to Russia, but it didn’t, showing its true face and did not punish them on its territory ... You go to your countrymen to ask why they staged the genocide of Russians in the Donbass, by the way I’m there was and still will go ... The fewer people like you, the better.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Normal ok

Ukrainian reserve officers, those who do not support this power, also read VO. And they draw conclusions not in your favor.

But don’t speak for Ukrainian reserve officers! If normal, then agree with "two Bandera less." And if Bandera themselves, then .... on them.

[Lucy]

Why is there so much bile?

[Eastern wind]

Gloating is bad, expressing regret is stupid. Better to be bad than stupid, IMHO.

[midshipman]

The more often, the better. Watch footage as the Ukrainians bombed the territory of the People's Republics. These are fascists. Only Ukrainians and the United States bomb civilians these days. I have the honor.

[Catherine II]

Elks often drive. Almost every day they are visible.
The accident occurred during a planned training flight. The causes of the disaster have not yet been established.
The fate of the instructor and cadet according to preliminary information is sad.
Condolences (if the saddest thing is confirmed) to relatives and friends, despite all the charms of the information war.

[Des10]

yes, sadness.
Especially against the background of "articles" of VO about LDNR.

[Normal ok]

The cadet, along the way, broke firewood. The instructor tried to correct the situation to the last.

[Conrad]

In fact, not cadets fly in the shelves on the "Elks", but full-time pilots support flight skills to save the resource of combat aircraft. So most likely there were both pilots - officers.

[Rushnairfors]

Which shelves? Specifically, in the Russian Air Force, the L-39 are only in service with training regiments, and partly in special units — the Pulp and Paper Center and the PLC, the cosmonaut detachment of the testers, and the main purpose of the L39 is to train cadets, which you wrote about is of secondary importance. Although ..... Maybe the Ukrainian Air Force is different .....

[Lucy]

The article does not correctly spell the people. airfield point.

[Filxnumx]

If the press service of the Air Force reports the incident as an air disaster, then there are dead. A casualty accident is called an aircraft incident, AI (without damaging the aircraft), Serious AI (AIS) or SAIP (Serious AI with aircraft damage)

[helmi8]

Quote: Fil743

A casualty accident is called an accident.

During my service, it was called an accident, but the degree of equipment failure is already secondary, the main thing is that people are safe

[Piramidon]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: Fil743

A casualty accident is called an accident.

During my service, it was called an accident, but the degree of equipment failure is already secondary, the main thing is that people are safe

And that without consequences was called a prerequisite for a summer accident.

[Cruel beaver]

guess three times, who is to blame?

[eleronn]

Yes, and to hell with it! Why should this be interesting? Cause an explosion of farts? I assure you - this is superfluous.

[72jora72]

Quote: RL

Must fall ?! Listen, wonder, why such aerobatic teams as Baltic Bees Jet Team (flew and showed the wonders of aerobatics at MAKS 2017) and the Breitling Jet Team fly on old Czechoslovak L-39s? Yes, because there is nothing better for these purposes. This is not the Yak-130 that crashes. Even Italians, Chinese and South Koreans can do better than Russia - Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master, Hongdu L-15 Lie Ying, T-50 Golden Eagle (골든 이글)

Hear an expert, you do not compare warm with soft, Yak-130 is a machine on which you can emit almost any aircraft in various operating modes. And the L-39 is simply not a bad training aircraft ...

[LeonidL]

The Czech aircraft has long served its veteran, especially in Ukraine, because most likely it fell from decay ... probably the same age as the fire alarm of warehouses in 1987 ... was good, but nothing lasts forever. Yak - an excellent combat training aircraft ... but still damp. As a result - four emergency situations, fortunately without casualties. Apparently, there is an excellent ejection system.

[Rushnairfors]

An 26 can also be Issued? Write what you know, but don’t carry nonsense, and if you don’t know anything, then better not write anything

[LeonidL]

Self-service continues ... however, we are waiting for a message that this is the Kremlin’s machinations and the plane was shot down by a rocket ... "S-400"!

[Tolstoevsky]

A trifle, but nice. Classic right: Born to crawl, cannot fly.

[Lucy]

Quote: midshipman

The more often, the better. Watch footage as the Ukrainians bombed the territory of the People's Republics. These are fascists. Only Ukrainians and the United States bomb civilians these days. I have the honor.

With honor, take a look.

[Lucy]

Quote: helmi8

Quote: Fil743

A casualty accident is called an accident.

During my service, it was called an accident, but the degree of equipment failure is already secondary, the main thing is that people are safe

At all times, without the death of the crew, or with the death but after (I do not remember exactly) 3 days, - a flight accident.
Next is the background to summer. incident.
Incidents are categorized. Communication failure can be pulled to the incident.

[Rushnairfors]

Not quite right. Above, the comrade already wrote:
- accident accident catastrophe
- accident without casualties accident
- further, depending on the complexity of the failure of the equipment and systems of the aircraft, as well as the degree of damage, they are distinguished: AIS (serious aviation incident with damage), AIS (serious aviation incident) and the most "simple" AI. Any incident, by the way, is to some extent a prerequisite, since there is a failure of something and illiterate actions can lead to tragedy.

[Lucy]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Not quite right

You are right.
Not at all right.
Time flies fast.