AK-47 is called "the undisputed king of the modern battlefield"

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American portal The National Interest AK-47 awarded the first place in the top five "the most deadly weapons of modern war."

The undisputed king of the modern battlefield is the model of the Kalashnikov AK-47 ... It is easy to use and does not require much care. Disassembly is quick, and weapon can work practically without lubrication
- writes the portal. In total, more than 100 million AK-47 machines have been produced in the world.



AK-47 is called "the undisputed king of the modern battlefield"


However, the rating included another brainchild of the legendary Russian gunsmith. So, on the fourth line of the list is the Kalashnikov machine gun (PC). As the main advantage of the weapon, the compilers of the rating call its accuracy, since the PC is capable of hitting the target with high accuracy at a distance of up to 800 m.

The second and third positions in the ranking were taken by the American M16 rifle, as well as the M240 machine gun, respectively.

The list also closes the Chinese QBZ-95 assault rifle, the main feature of which is in its cartridge diameter 5,8 mm. The portal notes that this is the only firearms that use cartridges of this caliber, due to which "it is impossible to charge other ammunition in the QBZ-95."
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  1. +16
    26 September 2017 16: 08
    Glory,
    Russian weapons!
    1. +4
      26 September 2017 16: 14
      due to which "in the QBZ-95 it is impossible to charge other ammunition."
      - So the Chinese will take other weapons only for souvenirs! And why then this Chinese letter?
      1. +2
        26 September 2017 22: 08
        laughing And the phrase -
        due to which "in the QBZ-95 it is impossible to charge other ammunition."

        You might think that AKM or AK-74 can be charged with any cartridge? laughing
    2. +6
      26 September 2017 17: 27
      The second and third positions in the ranking were taken by the American M16 rifle, as well as the M240 machine gun, respectively.
      It was especially delivered about the machine gun .. He put this miserable craft in third place ?! Yeah strong ..
      1. +3
        26 September 2017 20: 59
        USA is a country of rating agencies! And they are needed, mainly, to advertise your loved ones.
      2. +3
        26 September 2017 21: 06
        For some reason, they forgot about RPG-7. This grenade launcher also put people pretty over 65 years. And the Americans caused a lot of trouble around the world, where `` carriers of true democracy '' appeared.
    3. ogi
      +3
      26 September 2017 22: 36
      Quote: Abigor
      Glory to Russian weapons!

      For starters, the AK-47 is considered by some to be not even Soviet weapons at all. And there are very good reasons for this. And whose weapon the AK-47 is not for sure is Russian.
      1. +8
        26 September 2017 22: 50
        some people think that the earth is flat. It looks like you are one of them wassat
      2. +4
        27 September 2017 05: 09
        25 again))))))))))) already how many races have discussed this topic and as many have put similar ones in your place that you are simply not interested anymore)))))))))))))))
        1. ogi
          +3
          27 September 2017 07: 30
          Quote: aws4
          and put as many like you in their place

          Do not fantasize.
          Kalashnikov, this is a product of Sovagitprop. A sort of Soviet Lefty. Ideally correct completely, was from the people and not very educated.
          But designing high-quality small arms is a very complex process. Requiring special knowledge. Much more complicated than designing artillery systems. And Lefty is not the place here. They can do it themselves. And he will even shoot. But not more.
          You need to somehow try to understand this once. As well as the fact that the group of arms designers who worked at that time in Izhevsk and “did nothing” (for the currency that was always scarce in the USSR), this does not seem like a mere coincidence.
          And the most important thing. If you knew about weapons, you would pay attention to how exactly Kalashnikov was already doing the AK-74. After this doubt, his authorship in the AK-47 can easily develop into confidence.
          1. +2
            27 September 2017 17: 07
            and again blah blah blah and not one fact)))))))) similar to you have already been carried and here and on other resources laying out drawings of the device and the path of Kalashnikov as a designer ... work hard to start reading his biography ... there’s only one point you are trying to wishful thinking !!! stop living in your imaginary world and return to reality ... notice that you are not so interested in the fact that few people are already responding to you, or rather, do not argue with you and prove nothing ... you are perceived as a troll, although you do not understand troll)))))))))))))))))))))))) goodbye !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    4. +3
      27 September 2017 02: 31
      What is the AK-47’s life?
      1. +16
        27 September 2017 05: 55
        This one, seized from the African poacher, and as they say - still shoots.


        good hi
        1. ogi
          +2
          27 September 2017 07: 31
          Quote: Svarog51
          and as they say - still shoots.

          Where is it shooting? And how does it shoot?
          1. +15
            27 September 2017 07: 39
            Already nowhere and nothing. He was seized from the poacher, will go for re-melting. hi
  2. +8
    26 September 2017 16: 08
    It is believed that more people were killed from a Kalashnikov assault rifle than as a result of artillery fire, aerial bombardments and rocket attacks. A quarter of a million people die from AK bullets annually.
    RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131224/986079104.
    html

    1. +15
      26 September 2017 16: 32
      From fists, clubs, stones, bricks, sticks and kitchen knives, an average of 15 to 785 people die annually. It is necessary to prohibit all this and allow AKM - we will save millions of lives! ..))
    2. +2
      26 September 2017 20: 46
      Quote: Corsair0304
      It is believed that more people were killed from a Kalashnikov assault rifle

      What does Kalashnikov and his machine gun have to do with it? People died as a result of the collapse of the USSR.
  3. +1
    26 September 2017 16: 09
    Wow, you have to treat yourself like that from time to time.
  4. +17
    26 September 2017 16: 09

    Sorry, infantry ... Here is the Beauty where ........... Where to your rifles ..... hi
    1. +10
      26 September 2017 16: 53
      soldier Infantry cannot afford such a wasteful amount of ammunition ...
    2. +5
      26 September 2017 17: 40
      why is such a dispersion big?
  5. +4
    26 September 2017 16: 18
    oh something is not good all this .... why suddenly praise flow began ??? a week does not pass as something laudatory to the masterpiece of Mikhail Timofeevich comes across ...
    1. +11
      26 September 2017 16: 24
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      why suddenly praise flow began ???

      Because they started conveyor production of AK-47USA and RPG-7USA ..
      1. +3
        26 September 2017 16: 26
        and when did you start ??? no about the Bulgarian plant everyone knows ... something else appeared ??? and this is all just advertising in the domestic market ??? modestly keep silent about deductions in the Russian Federation ...
        1. +7
          26 September 2017 16: 32
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          and when did you start ??? no about the Bulgarian plant everyone knows ... something else appeared ??? and this is all just advertising in the domestic market ??? modestly keep silent about deductions in the Russian Federation ...

          The American company Russian Weapon Company (RWC) plans to build a plant for the production of AK-47 assault rifles, developed by the legendary Soviet designer Mikhail Kalashnikov, Fox News reports.
          Prior to this, the company was an official importer of Russian machine guns in the United States, but in 2014, after the imposition of sanctions by the West, it was forced to terminate cooperation with the Kalashnikov concern.
          RWC registered the Kalashnikov trademark in the United States. In June 2015, the company introduced new AK-47 models of its own production, adapted for the American consumer under the slogan “Russian Heritage - American Innovation”. A station for their assembly was opened in Tullitown (pc. Pasadena).
          Now RWC plans to build a full-fledged plant for the production of the American version of the AK-47 in the city of Pompano Beach in Florida (Florida).
          Sandra King City Hall spokeswoman confirmed to Fox News that the RWC plans were approved by the administration.

          According to Defense Aerospace, RPG-7 hulls have already been manufactured in the USA by AirTronic since last year. Testing of these grenade launchers took place in August-November 2014 as part of the US Army Spiral J program, and in early December, the Aberdeen test site certified RPG-7 Made in USA and allowed their delivery to the US military. Therefore, at the end of last week, AirTronic and another American company - Chemring Ordnance, announced the creation of a joint venture to manufacture shots for RPG-7 grenade launchers.
          1. +5
            26 September 2017 16: 35
            Thank you! hi hmm ... even these .... of course, too, do not make any deductions ...
          2. +5
            26 September 2017 17: 56
            Quote: NEXUS
            Because they started conveyor production of AK-47USA and RPG-7USA ..

            Moreover, without a license! They had a license, but over the past years it is no longer valid, and three companies in the USA continue to produce it! Kalashnikov tried to start the trademark protection process, but they were refused, due to sanctions belay
        2. +1
          26 September 2017 16: 37
          The best Kalashi are made with us, though in a very small circulation ... :)
          1. +5
            26 September 2017 16: 39
            and they are called Galil ??? good just kidding .... the best AK assault rifles did in the GDR ... and where did the equipment and specialists go then the big question ...
            1. +3
              26 September 2017 16: 43
              There is no Galil, although he is of course "kalash-shaped" and his modern versions are not a sin to mention. By the way, the article on VO was about a small Israeli company purchasing parts and assembling its Kalash.
              1. +7
                26 September 2017 16: 47
                there was an article, it was ... AK-Alpha seems ... I could be wrong .. almost the only company in the world making royalties to the Kalashnikov concern and having absolutely licensed AK production ... nevertheless, there’s never a joke about the GDR , but it is quite a place to be a fact ....
                1. +1
                  26 September 2017 18: 09
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  about the GDR, too, is never a joke, but it is quite a place to be a fact ....

                  Well, AKM's legs are growing out of the GDR.
                  The Germans received a license for the production of AK-47, but critically reviewed the production technology - they replaced milling with stamping. As a result, reduced weight, and most importantly, the cost of production.
                  We have introduced German developments with us. It turned out AKM, technological, cheap and therefore massive.
          2. +5
            26 September 2017 17: 02
            Quote: Censor
            The best Kalashi are made with us, though in a very small circulation ... :)

            These or what?

            The official manufacturer of the new machine will be Kalashnikov Israel. This is a joint venture between the Russian defense industry and the Israeli company CAA
            1. +1
              26 September 2017 17: 25
              Yeah, they ..... :)
          3. +5
            26 September 2017 17: 06
            Quote: Censor
            The best Kalashi are made with us, though in a very small circulation ... :)

            Sound the price of an Israeli product and compare it with the price of a Russian one ... and then compare the price and quality. By the way, if it were the way you say, you would not have armed your army with Galilami, which are worse and harder, but would have set up production of AKs.
            1. +5
              26 September 2017 17: 30
              In war, price is not always the main parameter. The Iron Dome interceptor costs 40K green, David's Sling called various amounts from 100K to Pollyama, Hets-2 and a half Lyam, Troika even more, and their goals are much cheaper than their killers. So what? The Israeli army has not been armed for a long time with the old versions of Galileo, which were heavy and not as high-quality as AKM, there was also an article about them in the military. Tavor is also relatively cheap, so what? These are not the prices because of which the military budget of a single, even poor country, is collapsing.
              1. +4
                26 September 2017 17: 34
                Quote: Censor
                The Israeli army has not long been armed with old versions of the Galileo, which were heavy and not as high quality as AKM

                But when Galil was being developed, your army desperately needed a good, reliable machine ... however, in those days, before Tavorov, etc., you preferred heavy Galil to the Israeli AK ...
            2. +1
              26 September 2017 20: 40
              Quote: NEXUS
              By the way, if it were the way you say, you would not have armed your army with Galilami, which are worse and harder, but would have set up production of AKs.

              Did you understand what you said? laughing
              The Galil submachine gun is a derivative of the Finnish submachine gun Valmet Rk 62, which in turn is a variant of the Kalashnikov submachine gun.
              1. +3
                26 September 2017 21: 09
                Quote: adma
                The Galil submachine gun is a derivative of the Finnish submachine gun Valmet Rk 62, which in turn is a variant of the Kalashnikov submachine gun.

                I’m talking about that, dear. Why did you have to reinvent the wheel, in the form of Galil, which is both heavier and larger than AK, if, as you say, there is an Israeli AK, which is better than the Soviet one? Would stamp the Israeli AK and it would be your happiness.
              2. ogi
                0
                26 September 2017 23: 29
                Quote: adma
                The Galil submachine gun is a derivative of the Finnish submachine gun Valmet Rk 62, which in turn is a variant of the Kalashnikov submachine gun.

                Galil was never an analogue of AK. Just even because it was never made under Soviet bullets.
                1. +3
                  27 September 2017 08: 40
                  ta-aaa ???? just because ammo ???? Ie Bulgarian Kalashnikov who in the United States do not produce Kalashnikov simply because it is under 5,56 ???
                  1. ogi
                    0
                    27 September 2017 08: 50
                    Quote: d ^ Amir
                    just because ammo

                    In fact, the cartridge determines everything in the shooter. And the design of the device for its use, it is secondary. Although it is also important.
                    Quote: d ^ Amir
                    not Kalashnikov simply because he is under 5,56

                    Not an analog. And the phrase "just because it is under 5,56", it is completely inappropriate.
                    1. +3
                      27 September 2017 09: 04
                      ta-aaaa ?????
                      Due to the modularity of the design, which actually consists of two large modules - the “upper” (upper part of the receiver, barrel, gas outlet, forend, sights, bolt group) and the “lower” (lower part of the receiver, trigger mechanism, buffer with return spring, pistol grip, butt), provided the ability to very quickly reconfigure the rifle. So, on one “lower” part that meets the standards, you can install the upper parts with trunks of very different lengths (from 250 to 610 mm), caliber (.22LR, 7.62x39 mm, 9x19 mm, 10 mm Auto, 50AE and many others, not counting native 5.56x45 mm), with integral or removable carrying handle. This is especially important for consumers in the civilian and police markets.

                      taken here: http://www.e-reading.by/chapter.php/133025/18/Pop
                      enker _-_ Shturmovye_vintovki_mira.html
        3. ogi
          0
          26 September 2017 23: 27
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          modestly keep silent about deductions in the Russian Federation ...

          For what?
          Patent actions are long overdue. Yes, and he was just one. Dead, for a promo sample. Short term. Therefore, today AK can do whoever wants to. Is free.
          1. +4
            27 September 2017 08: 42
            can not ... the United States directly cut counterfeit and spat, including on international laws .... "exceptional" it does not apply ....
            the only licensed production in the world is in Israel (he himself is surprised to the impossibility) ...
            1. ogi
              0
              27 September 2017 08: 51
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              the only licensed production in the world is in Israel

              What?
              1. +3
                27 September 2017 08: 52
                Kalashnikov assault rifles outside the borders of the Russian Federation .. it's about the "what" ...
  6. +6
    26 September 2017 16: 27
    There is no AK-47. There is an AK of 1949, AKM, AK-74, etc. There is no need to read the degenerative Vespuccian Rus hater Tom Clancy, from whom this incorrect specification came - simply from ignorance.
    1. +7
      26 September 2017 16: 46
      Quote: Dedrusav
      There is no AK-47.

      I’ll tell you that there is even an AK-46, in my opinion in triplicate ..

      And this is the second ...

      And this is the third ..

      And here is the AK-47 ...

      The automatic machine of 1947 (AK-47 No. 1) had a receiver uniting the main parts and mechanisms, including the trigger. The gas piston with the rod was carried out at the same time with the bolt frame, the loading handle was moved to the right side and made at the same time with the bolt frame. The rod and piston are threaded and fixed with a pin. Changed the guide rod of the return mechanism and the cover of the receiver. The receiver is stamped with a steel liner rigidly fixed in front of the front, by which the receiver was connected to the barrel. The reflector and stops for the combat protrusions of the shutter are also made on the insert. The receiver cover completely covers it from above - this reduced the possibility of clogging mechanisms. Behind the base of the front sight a compensator is made - two rows of 3 holes.
      Trigger trigger made by the type of Czech self-loading rifle ZH-29. The flag translator is integrated with a fuse. The flag has also been moved to the right side and in the “fuse” position it overlaps the groove for the charging handle to pass. In this case, the shutter can be taken back to check the chamber, but it is not enough to send the next cartridge into the chamber. Changed the front sight. Butt, pistol grip cheeks, forend, barrel trim - wooden.

      Performance characteristics:
      Cartridge - 7,62 * 41
      Weight with magazine empty - 4,408 kg
      Total length - 845 mm
      Barrel length - 400 mm

      And here is the second AK-47 ..

      The automatic machine of 1947 (AK-47 No. 2) received a different design of the gas chamber and the shape of a gas piston with a rod. The elongated gas piston had an internal cavity and an opening in the lower wall that coincided with a gas outlet in the wall in the upper part of the barrel. This gave a metered removal of powder gases, in which the moving parts of the automation received the impulse necessary to complete the automation cycle. The piston had obturating grooves, the stem had four longitudinal grooves. A two-chamber muzzle brake compensator was attached to the muzzle of the barrel. The machine also received a shortened fore-end of a modified form and a shortened barrel trim.

      Performance characteristics:
      Cartridge - 7,62 * 41
      Weight with magazine empty - 4,05 kg
      Barrel length - 405 mm
      Sighting range - 800 m

      And the third ...

      And the fourth ..

      And the fifth ..

      And this is the AK-48 ...

      Automatic 1948 (AK-48 No. 1) has a barrel, made already under a modified intermediate cartridge arr. 1943. The barrel does not have a muzzle compensator; a removable muzzle coupling was attached to the thread on the muzzle of the barrel. A clutch lock appeared in front of the front of the front sight. Changed the shape of the rod and the handle of the bolt. Changed the trigger.

      Performance characteristics:

      Cartridge - 7,62 * 39 (sample 1943)
      Weight with magazine empty - 4,15 kg
      Total length - 870 mm
      Barrel length - 415 mm

      hi
      1. +1
        26 September 2017 17: 02
        A adopted arr. 1949 year. So for amateurs all these are your writings.
        1. +8
          26 September 2017 17: 09
          Quote: Dedrusav
          A adopted arr. 1949 year. So for amateurs all these are your writings.

          Seriously? wassat That is, the AK-46,47 and 48 is not a weapon? Dear, it is not necessary to broadcast through the lip with the appearance of an expert. You said...
          Quote: Dedrusav
          There is no AK-47.

          Your words?
          And what was adopted, this is the second question. But even with all this, there would be no production model, without prototypes. So your thesis is not at the box office.
      2. +1
        26 September 2017 20: 53
        Quote: NEXUS
        And here is the second AK-47 ..
        And, sorry, which of these two assault rifles became the "undisputed king of the modern battlefield" if none of them went further than the territory of the test site? laughing
        There is no such machine - AK-47. This is just a prototype. The name "AK-47" was coined by an American - Edward Isel, who wrote in the 1980s a book called "The AK47 Story", in which he talks about the creation of his famous AK by Russian gunsmith Mikhail Kalashnikov. From that book, this title was established.
        PS: When copying an article - the pictures must be separately copied. They just do not click inserted.
        1. +4
          26 September 2017 21: 13
          Quote: adma
          And, sorry, which of these two assault rifles became the "undisputed king of the modern battlefield" if none of them went further than the territory of the test site?

          With the interpreter, apparently very bad, dear. I repeat, for those who are in the tank- Would there be a serial AK without these prototypes?
          1. +1
            26 September 2017 21: 33
            So I think with what fright you pinned the AK47 prototype to the article - AK-47 is called "the undisputed king of the modern battlefield" wassat
            1. +5
              26 September 2017 21: 38
              Quote: adma
              So I think with what fright you pinned the AK47 prototype to the article - AK-47 is called "the undisputed king of the modern battlefield" wassat

              I, as you put it, pinned not a prototype to the article, but to the comment to which I answered ... and it was to the part of the phrase that one of those commenting on the article spoke.
              Apparently you have not only bad understanding, but also reading and eyes ... go to the doctor, check for vision.
              1. +1
                26 September 2017 21: 45
                Quote: NEXUS
                I, as you put it, pinned not a prototype to the article, but to the comment to which I answered ... and it was to the part of the phrase that one of those commenting on the article spoke.

                Comment on which as you put it. You answered related to the article. and not to the history of the creation of prototypes under the conditional index AK.
                There is no AK-47. There are AK models of 1949, AKM, AK-74
                But here you are. as the greatest Expert in small arms issues, as well as in tank building, they decided to declare themselves once again, forgetting to include their own logic. laughing
                1. +4
                  26 September 2017 21: 52
                  Quote: adma
                  Comment on which as you put it. You answered related to the article. and not to the history of the creation of prototypes under the conditional inbeks AK.

                  You, apparently, when leaving the tank, hit the head of the hatch ... wassat The man said that the AK-47 does not exist, it does not exist ...
                  Quote: Dedrusav
                  There is no AK-47.

                  And your desire to seem very smart in this regard shows your level. With understanding it is bad, with eyes too, well, the backlash does not beat, it only bends, dear. Why should you straighten it with your head? fool
                  1. +1
                    26 September 2017 21: 59
                    Andrush, based on your iron logic like
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    The man stated that the AK-47 does not exist,
                    sowing article "AK-47 is called "the undisputed king of the modern battlefield""dedicated to the laboratory sample - AK-47 of the one you mentioned. Then why you, as the greatest expert and expert on small arms, did not answer my simple question -
                    And, sorry, which of these two assault rifles became the "undisputed king of the modern battlefield" if none of them went further than the territory of the test site

                    Using your iron logic and a huge store of knowledge, can you still answer this time? laughing
                    1. +4
                      26 September 2017 23: 35
                      Quote: adma
                      "AK-47 is called" the undisputed king of the modern battlefield "" dedicated to the laboratory model - AK-47 you mentioned.

                      This picture was laid out many times here.
        2. +4
          26 September 2017 23: 17
          Speak in the 1980s.
          1. +3
            26 September 2017 23: 57
            Quote: Trouble
            Speak in the 1980s.

            I wanted to delete my post, but late. Also Carbine there too. crying wink
        3. ogi
          0
          26 September 2017 23: 22
          Quote: adma
          The name "AK-47" was invented by an American - Edward Isel, who wrote a book in the 1980s entitled "The AK47 Story"

    2. +3
      26 September 2017 17: 01
      ... xNUMX mm cartridge ...

      Diameter of what? Flanges, sleeves, bullets? recourse The word caliber forgotten?
  7. 0
    26 September 2017 17: 14
    Shame, not AK47, but AKM!
    1. ogi
      +1
      26 September 2017 23: 24
      Quote: Me 262
      Shame, not AK47, but AKM!

      Well, suppose the designs on the 7,62x39 mm cartridge had certain advantages in comparison with the M14. But in the AK-74, in comparison with the M16, it’s possible to find them.
      1. 0
        27 September 2017 17: 29
        truth??? laughing and you look do not be lazy ... laughing
    2. 0
      27 September 2017 17: 32
      please explain very interestingly why you made a similar conclusion ??? there is a direct show in the discussions on this article laughing although, frankly speaking, it’s simply not worthy to be published
  8. +6
    26 September 2017 18: 11
    Quote: By itself

    Sorry, infantry ... Here is the Beauty where ........... Where to your rifles ..... hi

    At this time, the man from the Strategic Missile Forces, probably gaining, excuse me, the naval ... That's the beauty where ... And the photo of Yars launch is laid out ...
    1. +3
      26 September 2017 20: 56
      At this time, the man from the Strategic Missile Forces, probably gaining, excuse me, the naval ... That's the beauty where ... And the photo of Yars launch is laid out ...
      The navy will wave off a photograph of the nuclear submarine or a reference to the operations of Behemoth-1 and Behemoth-2.
      wink
  9. +1
    26 September 2017 21: 26
    Quote: glory1974
    why is such a dispersion big?


    because such devices shoot to create a cloud for guaranteed defeat of a small-sized fast-moving target))) And smooth out the pointing errors)
  10. 0
    26 September 2017 21: 28
    Quote: NEXUS
    On which it was necessary to reinvent the wheel, in the form of Galil, which is both heavier and larger than AK

    And who told you that “Galil” is harder than AK? And who told you that “Galil” is larger than AK? laughing
  11. +1
    26 September 2017 22: 25
    Quote: Abigor
    Glory,
    Russian weapons!

    Is this AK-47 Russian weapon?
    Disputes about the kinship of the Kalashnikov assault rifle and the German Stg. 44 assault rifle are still ongoing and their intensity has not subsided. Was the AK a copy of the German assault rifle? No, of course, they differ and are very serious. But to the question whether Stg. 44 was the prototype for the creation of the Soviet machine gun, one can definitely give an affirmative answer. To do this, just look at their appearance and design.

    But the most interesting is not this. Who created the legendary Soviet machine gun? An illiterate guy with seven education classes or an experienced world-famous gunsmith who devoted the last years of his life to working on such weapons? The question, as they say, is rhetorical. According to the recollections of people who were familiar with Kalashnikov, he could not draw and could not make an elementary calculation. Although, everyone emphasizes that the guy’s hands were really golden. But to create a new weapon, this is clearly not enough.
    1. +5
      26 September 2017 23: 14
      Quote: Stolz
      Was the AK a copy of the German assault rifle? Of course not, they differ and are very serious. But to the question whether Stg. 44 was the prototype for the creation of the Soviet machine gun, one can definitely give an affirmative answer. To do this, just look at their appearance and design.

      Appearance is not a reason to consider a weapon a prototype.
      Quote: Stolz
      Uneducated guy with seven education classes

      So what? Tokarev and Degtyarev generally have a parish school.
      1. ogi
        0
        27 September 2017 07: 35
        Quote: Trouble
        Tokarev and Degtyarev generally have a parish school.

        Capable of their products can you name?
        1. +2
          27 September 2017 12: 58
          SVT at Tokarev, RPD at Degtyarev.
          1. ogi
            0
            27 September 2017 18: 24
            Quote: Trouble
            SVT at Tokarev, RPD at Degtyarev.

            SV was discontinued even earlier than the three-line. Is this a sign of legal capacity?
            DP was not capable. PDM was somewhat more capable, but also nonsense. At the same time, contrary to the name, they were not machine guns, but automatic vnitovki. And only in 1946. Germans for the USSR made the first machine gun category LMG RP-46. This was already something very interesting.
            In general, all this post-war modernization (RP-46, DShKM, AK-47, etc.) has some very definite roots. Which before that was not in the USSR. Therefore, there was practically no capable weapon.
            1. +1
              27 September 2017 22: 23
              Quote: ogi
              SV was discontinued even earlier than the three-line. Is this a sign of legal capacity?

              Based on this situation, Schmeiser did not have anything capable at all.
              As for the incapacity, the Germans themselves can argue with you, both the military and the designers. In the Wehrmacht, carefully assembled SVT and armed them with snipers.
              Quote: ogi
              And only in 1946. Germans for the USSR made the first machine gun category LMG RP-46.

              This is not even funny. RP-46 is the same DP / DPM, converted to tape power.
              Moreover, the alteration at the level of an arms repair shop.
              By the way. I indicated RPD, not DP / PDM.
              1. ogi
                0
                27 September 2017 22: 32
                Quote: Trouble
                Based on this situation, Schmeiser did not have anything capable at all.

                By and large, yes. Of course, StuG 44 had some undeniable advantages over Garand. But I would not say that he was better.
                Quote: Trouble
                In the Wehrmacht, carefully assembled SVT and armed them with snipers.

                Did you come up with this yourself or read this nonsense somewhere else?
                Quote: Trouble
                RP-46 is the same DP / DPM, converted to tape power.

                Do not make me funny. Or even not, very funny.
                Quote: Trouble
                Moreover, the alteration at the level of an arms repair shop.

                Yeah. Freshly a tradition.
                Quote: Trouble
                By the way. I indicated RPD, not DP / PDM.

                RPD is generally bullshit. Not worth mentioning. DP / PDM can be discussed at least somehow.
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                  28 September 2017 03: 41
                  laughing laughing laughing
                  German snipers not only SVT, but Mosinka respected. Like it or not, but Mauser both lost in range. Another thing is that in the Red Army itself there were not so many Svets.

                  RPD - Degtyarev light machine gun under the intermediate cartridge mod. 1943 Was in service with the SA as a weapon to support the infantry squad almost until the beginning of the 70s, when it was finally replaced by the PKK.
                  After the adoption of the RPD into service, it was decided to transfer the PDM to the company level (now Pecheneg occupies this niche). Since the capacity of the store no longer satis fi ed the tasks, a belt feed unit was designed, which was fastened instead of the store and set in motion from the reload handle. At the same time, the possibility of using old stores remained.
                  1. ogi
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                    28 September 2017 07: 28
                    Quote: Trouble
                    Like it or not, but Mauser both lost in range.

                    And did you come up with this yourself?
                    Quote: Trouble
                    It was in service with the SA as a weapon to support the infantry squad almost until the beginning of the 70s,

                    That only "in service with the SA" did not consist. But this does not mean that this is something worth mentioning.
                    Quote: Trouble
                    transfer PDM to the company level (now Pecheneg occupies this niche)

                    Pecheneg and RP-46 machine guns category LMG. DPM automatic rifle (AR). Of course, as soon as the "group of designers" made the RP-46, the PDM was immediately removed from production.
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                      28 September 2017 16: 49
                      Quote: ogi
                      Pecheneg and RP-46 machine guns category LMG. DPM automatic rifle (AR). Of course, as soon as the "group of designers" made the RP-46, the PDM was immediately removed from production.

                      There was a connoisseur with nicknames from a meaningless set of letters. He carried the same nonsense.
                      So, on the basis of what did you classify PDM and RP-46 into different categories?
                      wink And of course, mentioning the "group of designers" you modestly kept silent that they were German designers.
                      1. ogi
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                        28 September 2017 17: 41
                        Quote: Trouble
                        on the basis of what you attributed PDM and RP-46 to different categories

                        Based on the fact that I understand weapons.
                        Quote: Trouble
                        you modestly kept silent that they were German designers.

                        45 g in the yard. In the Soviet occupation zone of Germany, Soviet "merchants" scour, looking for German specialists. And they were sought out by specialists in various fields, quite a lot. And the Germans themselves wanted to go to work in the USSR, avenged the Anglo-Saxons for the destruction of their beloved Reich. Indeed, in contrast to the shaggy people, they perfectly understood what and how had happened in the period from 1939 to 1945.
                        Before the war, Soviet designers did not shine with talents and the arms of the Red Army were frankly wretched. And then a cornucopia opened. The creation of new models, the modernization of old ones, it was all as if put on stream, it was a full-flowing river. From riflemen to rocketry.
                        But the Germans, of course, they did not create anything. Just the crowds of Germans after the war in the famine (in the USSR in 1946 there was another famine) sat in the USSR, received ever-deficient currency and did nothing. I willingly believe it. And you?
    2. ogi
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      26 September 2017 23: 17
      Quote: Stolz
      To do this, just look at their appearance and design.

      To do this, just look at their cartridges.
    3. +4
      27 September 2017 04: 42
      And what else was so great that this “experienced” world-famous gunsmith “gave birth” to?
      At about 4:10, the disassembly of Stg. 44 begins. Brilliant [Sarcasm] construction:
      1. ogi
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        27 September 2017 07: 34
        Quote: Nitochkin
        And what else was so great that this “experienced” world-famous gunsmith “gave birth” to?

        The strange thing is that everyone is obsessed with Schmeisser. But a whole group of German designers worked in Izhevsk. Therefore, it is not necessary Schmeisser.
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          29 September 2017 03: 50
          Nothing comes of anything. What did this group create when it worked for native Nazis under the Führer?
  12. +2
    27 September 2017 09: 06


    No matter what they say, no matter what disputes arise, but this is definitely not Hugo Schmeiser.
  13. +1
    27 September 2017 11: 48
    I don’t know who the rating was, but the Chinese refused mass weapons with a QBZ-95 rifle
    due to some problems
    in fact, it remains only in Hong Kong, the rest of the army uses other weapons - now they are guided by a type3 assault rifle
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    28 September 2017 20: 09
    Quote: ogi
    Based on the fact that I understand weapons.

    Well, if you are good at weapons, then what category would you classify FN Minimi?
    Quote: ogi

    45 g in the yard. In the Soviet occupation zone of Germany, Soviet "merchants" scour, looking for German specialists. And they were sought out by specialists in various fields, quite a lot. And the Germans themselves wanted to go to work in the USSR, avenged the Anglo-Saxons for the destruction of their beloved Reich. Indeed, in contrast to the shaggy people, they perfectly understood what and how had happened in the period from 1939 to 1945.
    Before the war, Soviet designers did not shine with talents and the arms of the Red Army were frankly wretched. And then a cornucopia opened. The creation of new models, the modernization of old ones, it was all as if put on stream, it was a full-flowing river. From riflemen to rocketry.
    But the Germans, of course, they did not create anything. Just the crowds of Germans after the war in the famine (in the USSR in 1946 there was another famine) sat in the USSR, received ever-deficient currency and did nothing. I willingly believe it. And you?

    Well, you and fantasy. Have you invented it yourself?
    1. +3
      28 September 2017 20: 28
      Quote: Trouble
      you and fantasy. Have you invented it yourself?

      Et-that free clown .... The spiritual son of Sytin and the granddaughter of Novodvorskaya. One gave her soul to God (and now the devils are massaging it in the hellish spa), the second is stubbornly running into trouble - Solovyov’s and Mikheev’s last day almost got into a clash ... Personally, I put on Mikheev - "What is the strength, brother?"
      laughing
    2. 0
      29 September 2017 03: 48
      So this is OGI. He sweeps the tongue in anti-Soviet language on all topics, as he waves with a broom. Goebbels is still far from him, but he is trying.
    3. ogi
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      29 September 2017 07: 54
      Quote: Trouble
      In what category do you classify Minimi fn?

      And where am I? Examine the question to which category it belongs. At the same time and in the subject a little fun.
      Quote: Trouble
      Well, you and fantasy. Have you invented it yourself?

      This is a historical fact. Read something on this topic or something. After the war, quite a lot of Germans worked in the USSR. For the currency. Some did the rifle (including the legendary one), others “the royal seven” (Gerttrup), others still all sorts of different things. The USSR took trophies not only with gramophones.
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        29 September 2017 15: 58
        Quote: ogi
        And where am I? Examine the question to which category it belongs. At the same time and in the subject a little fun.

        This is not an answer. I'm interested in: which category you refer fn minimi?
        Quote: ogi
        This is a historical fact. Read something on this topic or something. After the war, quite a lot of Germans worked in the USSR. For the currency. Some did the rifle (including the legendary one), others “the royal seven” (Gerttrup), others still all sorts of different things. The USSR took trophies not only with gramophones.

        The historical fact is that German specialists worked in the USSR and that they worked for currency (German marks wink ) is also a fact. But the rest is your thoughts.
        What did they invent so legendary in the rifleman?
        And how Helmut Grettrup could design the R-7 (unless of course by the “royal seven” you mean it, and not something else) when he returned to Germany in 1953, and the R-7 went to the test in 1957 .?
        1. ogi
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          29 September 2017 22: 29
          Quote: Trouble
          But the rest is your thoughts.

          Sure. People who in the history of the country (up to 1991) could not make a self-loading army rifle, suddenly took it and immediately after the war they did it God knows what.
          People who couldn’t make special weapons on the “small things”, but adapted a little suitable “legendary mechanism” for this, did they initially make this mechanism? Sorry, but designers don’t do that. Here, the explicit work of copy pasteurists.
          Quote: Trouble
          when he returned to Germany in 1953, and the R-7 went on trial in 1957?

          And who doubts? Immediately in 1954 and started to develop. And in 1957 launched. A trifling matter. Minute
          Ask what the Germans launched in 1945, and what then launched in the USSR. Get stunned by the difference.
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            30 September 2017 00: 43
            You have not answered the question about FN Minimi, but continue to carry nonsense.
            Quote: ogi
            People who have not been able to make a self-loading army rifle in the history of the country (until 1991),

            In the Red Army, the Tokarev Self-loading Rifle (SVT) was in service, and the Wehrmacht did not have its own self-loading rifle.
            1. ogi
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              30 September 2017 10: 45
              Quote: Trouble
              but continue to carry nonsense.

              And why then demand from me its continuation?
              Quote: Trouble
              In the Red Army, the Tokarev Self-loading Rifle (SVT) was in service

              The Red Army was armed with a lot of things. Even the TT pistol and PP PPSh. But this does not mean that all these are army weapons.
              Quote: Trouble
              moreover, the Wehrmacht did not have its self-loading rifle

              Yes, only the Americans could. And the British store had such a performance characteristics that they simply did not need a self-charge.

              You need to understand a simple thing. In 1918 power in the country was not captured by its best people. By the beginning of the 20s, they strengthened and expanded this power by shedding great blood. They either squeezed the bulk of more or less knowledgeable people abroad or repressed (executions were especially in fashion). But those who remained at that time “did”. What the ignoramuses with incomplete education could “do” (in all areas), it’s easy to imagine. However, the desire to support the myth that their "creations" is something at least partially similar to good is not clear. No, ignoramuses did ordinary rubbish. Until after the war, they thought of hiring the Germans to correct things. The Germans corrected something and taught homegrown "wide-gap geniuses" something. After which things went better, but still, not really. And this situation remained until the very end of the USSR, since the system was tuned to final degradation.
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                1 October 2017 00: 39
                Quote: ogi
                And why then demand from me its continuation?

                You are confusing something. I asked a specific question: "I am interested in: in what category do you attribute the Minimi FN?" And you are like Mr. Kovtun, who, when he has nothing to say, carries nonsense similar to what you wrote below.
                1. ogi
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                  1 October 2017 13: 04
                  Quote: Trouble
                  I asked a specific question: "I am interested in: in what category do you attribute the Minimi FN?"

                  To the category of air guns. Bullshit, so bullshit.