"The NATO base in Ulyanovsk is a possible base for aggression"

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And our government pretends that nothing has happened, and all this is “just like that, and for this we will still have money”

"The NATO base in Ulyanovsk is a possible base for aggression"

On this occasion, many assumptions have been made, both endorsing this very possibility, and contradictions condemning this decision. And it is interesting that officials encourage it. The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergey Lavrov, said that there is nothing terrible in this, it is as if our joint struggle against world terrorism. Even Rogozin, who seems to be a nationally oriented person, says that “no need to mourn,” only non-military goods — water, toilet paper — will be delivered through this transit center. And that they can have nothing to do with weapons, therefore, supposedly nothing wrong with that. Others speak of a logistics operation, they say, this is just a transportation, and our customs officers “do not sleep,” and we seem to earn it, like everyone else.

Even such patriotic patriots as Rutskoi believe that it is necessary to earn money on it, and to earn it well. Our deputies say that, too, nothing terrible, guys, all this is "not lethal." However, of course, public figures respected by our citizens and experts, such as A. Prokhanov, believe that this is a matter of national insult and that this simply should not be. The final decision was passed to the Duma, but it is obvious that she will “decide” what the authority will say to her. That is, in principle, we must accept the fact that the NATO base will still function on our territory. This, so to speak, is common and not very understandable to the majority of our citizens, the situation and rather emotional than its balanced assessment.

In this regard, I will allow myself to make several assessments from the point of view of a professional strategist, professional military and political scientist.

1. According to the fundamentals of the theory of war, the means of war is any means that leads to the realization of the goals of war. In this sense, even water is a means of war.

2. The next very important point is that there is a war in Afghanistan, and these means of war appear in the theater of war not as a result of some kind of transportation, but as a result of a strategic transport operation, which is conducted from the opposite continent through a system of states and national borders across the country’s territory is an ally in the area of ​​almost unceasing hostilities.

I emphasize an important thing - this is the traffic flow from the rear to the front, to the area of ​​hostilities. This means that all who participate in this chain are a party to the war. This is a fundamentally new state of affairs, which is fundamentally either silenced or, by some coincidence, is not evaluated by our political science, or by politicians, by anyone.

As soon as Russia joins the system of this strategic transport operation for the delivery of military goods to the theater of military operations, it becomes a party to the war. And by the side of that war, which we do not support, which is alien to us, and we do not have the right to participate in it. We are not in a state of war with Afghanistan, nor are we allies of NATO and the United States. Of course, in some ways, maybe we are partners, but not in this war.

However, it turns out that on our own initiative, we become a party to a war that we do not lead or support. It is important.

3. The next very important thing that should be understood is that for the first time in the entire existence of the Russian Federation, the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, a point of military presence of the military-political bloc antagonistic to us is being created on the territory of Russia. That very NATO bloc, for which we are potential adversaries, who do not hide their hostility, to which the overwhelming majority of our citizens are hostile, and who by war spread their influence throughout the world, and today with our participation. NATO is not a partner to us and we perceive it in the popular mentality as a military alliance opposing us, that is, as a potential adversary regardless of the type of cargo they want to carry.

This means that today in the territory of Russia, in Ulyanovsk, on the Volga, a point of military presence of the military-political bloc antagonistic to us is being formed. This point of military presence will invariably have its infrastructure, its personnel and its own possibilities to influence the surrounding political nature, the landscape, and the entire political climate in general in Russia and even in Eurasia.

This is important to understand, since one of the essential and obligatory tasks that any state in the world is engaged in preparing for war is to prepare the theater of war, including by preparing the enemy’s territory for war, creating a system of political influence and military presence on its national territory . In particular, the United States is preparing theaters of war in several major ways. The first way is to prepare the system of your military presence in the future theater of war. They did it in Afghanistan, they did it in Kosovo, in Europe. Today, all of Eurasia is in the sphere of US influence, and it turns out to be connected with the system of their military presence.

In this system, the US military presence turned out to be Russia, while they do it as if within the peaceful framework of this transport commercial operation in Russia. It is very important to understand.

4. What is military infrastructure? This is like the very airfield, to which, for example, we sent our battalion to Kosovo, to Pristina. This is the point to which, when it is captured, they will land along a routed route, etc., the very landing divisions of the enemy, which we will have nothing to stop, since there is no army.

Thus, we create not only the point of military presence of our potential enemy, but also a possible springboard for its aggression.

5. The next point is also very important to understand. Russia has consistently lost its sovereignty.

How does this apply in this case? They say that we are participating in the fight against world terrorism, that there is nothing terrible here, and this, on the contrary, is good, since Russia has no levers of influence either on drug production or on drug traffic, while the United States seems to have such opportunities.

However, an analysis of the practice of relations with America leads to several conclusions.

First of all. Never, never, in all cases. history the West and, in particular, America never (except for several years of World War II, when we fought together with fascism and, as strategic allies, united our national potentials in the name of Victory) one kind gesture in the direction of Russia, except for words, not a single act useful for Russia and not a single act. Nothing.

That is, the talk "about the reboot, about the joint fight against world evil" has never led to anything. These conversations ended in unilateral concessions on the part of Russia to their Western partners, whether in favor of NATO or America, and always led to a deterioration in the general state of Russia's national security. This applies to all negotiations on strategic offensive arms, all negotiations on the reduction of nuclear weapons, etc.

Secondly. It must be said that the process of “falling into” Russia into the mainstream of the US national strategy, on the one hand, is logical, since Russia simply does not have its national strategy and is for America only a field, means and object of its own war for survival in the status of “perpetual manager the world "; on the other hand, such a course of “general orientation and dependence on the United States” is successive for the last thirty years of our national history, the basis of the political orientation of our entire political and economic establishment, and suits the entire “power vertical”.

6. This history also has its “cargo traffic”. We can trace the formation of cargo transportation to Afghanistan through Russia, which were first carried out by Russian transport aircraft in agreement with America at their expense, then American military transport aircraft began to do this simply by transit “through us”, and now the jumping point is formed with its base and Service personnel in Ulyanovsk.

This is a living example of how the very idea of ​​an alien military presence is growing and being implemented; seemingly out of nothing, from their requests and our voluntary concessions to the “good American guys” and just three steps along this “roadmap of national betrayal”.

First step. It would seem that everything came up against the simple request of the Americans: guys, let's transport goods. And ours said yes. At your expense? Yes, we agree to pay.

The second step. Then after some time the Americans: but let us do it not on your planes, but on our planes? Our said: let us pay you? "We will pay".

The third step. The Americans said: now let us deal with our base of unloading, jumping and refueling, say, in Ulyanovsk. And our said: Come on. And "nothing happened, but they are already here and the world is applauding for them."

7. Russia has become not competitive, but simply "unprincipled and corrupt."

Of course, all this can be assessed differently, but it is obvious that each time it was accompanied by a direct surrender of strategic positions from Russia, and our government pretends that nothing happened and all this “just and we will still have money for that ". Everyone is happy, everyone laughs and "in the business." All political science pops revolve around this topic, all sorts of pseudo-analysts say it's okay, local politicians and businessmen have already counted profits.

And national politicians are sure that now in the West they will definitely be accepted as their own and, maybe, they will cancel the “Jackson-Vanik amendment”. And they will be able to report to their voters about this personal victory in the fulfillment of election promises and that this is their personal contribution to the “battle for Moscow”.

But what do we have in terms of strategy?

From the point of view of assessing the strategic situation, we see the triumph of one of the most recent strategic ideas of the West, which is that the United States buys state power, top politicians and the generals subject to the aggression of the country. The achievements of this strategic technique are obvious. By buying up the Iraqi generals in the bud, this led to the fact that the generals and even the Islamic Guards surrendered the country, personally surrendered Hussein, and then all these generals themselves were destroyed.

The same is done with us. We can trace a clear sequence when the results of buying up national elites at the root, which leads to facilitating the penetration of the United States even at the level of military presence inside independent Russia: surrendering strategic bases in Lourdes (Cuba) and Camrani (Vietnam), surrendering Yugoslavia and Kosovo, surrendering positions for Iran (cancellation of the already concluded contract for the supply of C-300), surrender of Libya are the stages of the “long way” of a series of our commanders-in-chief, every next of whom understood worse and worse what country and army they got o have to do with them.

8. We are moving to the camp of direct opponents of China.

Everything is explained to us by market, profit, jobs. But, nevertheless, the strategic situation for Russia is deteriorating, its authority falls and it becomes a party to the war, and speaking on the side of the United States, NATO and the so-called world community, which is clearly directed against China.

What is being done now transforms us not only as NATO allies, but also as an adversary and enemy of China, since the whole matter is conceived by the states that are strategic reformatting the Eurasian matrix in order to destroy their main competitors. Russia has almost ceased to be a competitor. And China, which still, of course, is only becoming strategically on a par with America.

Thus, we never received anything from America and now we will receive nothing for this business, except 20 millions of empty unsecured dollars. And we quarrel with China, with whom we have good relations. We, humiliating him with our ingratiating with the West, humiliate ourselves and lose our face.

9. Finally, one more thing. We do not believe Americans, and all their activities on our territory must be carefully controlled.

Where will the US and NATO aircraft fly? First, they fly through half of Russia to Ulyanovsk, then they sit down in Ulyanovsk, refuel and the other half of Russia from Ulyanovsk slip and follow to Afghanistan. We believe our American partners, what will happen? Of course, we do not believe! Suppose that an American military aircraft is flying and conducting reconnaissance, for example, a radar one (the crew may not even know that it has been installed on this board). They just take the signal, that is, they are scouting.

Suppose also that, for example, suddenly a bag or a box with some sensors may pop out of a window, a porthole or from some cavity of this plane, or some container may fall out of it and fall into the Volga. . And the river will be infected, maybe not today, but it is possible.

Or take negotiations via satellite with their command, or when they perceive different radio-electronic radiations, that is, they conduct reconnaissance along this strip of their spans, and in fact we are talking about military infrastructure facilities, military-industrial complex, nuclear stations, nuclear infrastructure facilities, etc.

This means that the process of this “NATO transit” itself must be controlled from the beginning to the end. And what is to control?

This means when they cross the border from the west, a pair of our fighters rise and lead them, watching these planes as far as Ulyanovsk, land them. When they rise from Ulyanovsk to the border with Afghanistan, our other couple rises and leads them there to our border. Air defense works on these airplanes and our radiolocation service, which controls and looks at the whole thing, so that no one deviates from the route, so that none of these aircraft fall out and fall on our territory, and this can only be visually observed.

Regarding the drug situation, I can say the following: the more Americans in Afghanistan, the more drug traffic. We know that it was the CIA that was selling drugs in Latin America and supplying weapons for the contras, that is, it was the main part of the drug traffic and with this money weapons were bought for Iranian militants.

I will give an example of how this might look in our case. Here they fly from Afghanistan through Russia, land in Ulyanovsk. On the way, they can drop containers with these drugs on parachutes anywhere, and therefore we must control them. For example, they landed in Ulyanovsk, which means that our best dogs in the world, which teach 2 mg of drugs anywhere, should be brought into these planes and look for drugs there. That is, check the aircraft for what they are carrying or loading. Imagine that they find this drug.

And this is a precedent - do you understand how this can be used?

Of course, for all "our efforts" - for the work of air defense, for the work of pilots of escort crews, for their kerosene, for the work of customs officers and dogs of drug control, and so on, the United States must pay. And they will gladly go for all of this, since they solve by spending empty dollars, which they can print for as long as necessary, and promises, their strategic military task.

In general, there are many different things that our people should know. Like those who make decisions, they need to know what this will lead to.

And all this surrender will lead only to the humiliation of our dignity, to our national weakening and to the continuation of the surrender of Russia.

This will never be perceived by our population and society as a positive event. Ultimately, this may lead to the degradation of the authority of the new Supreme Commander, who has not yet begun his activity, and to drive the last nail into the coffin of the acting Supreme Commander. And this will give us nothing in terms of military power or strategy.

10. That is, it turns out, Russia can now be bought. It is impossible to conquer Russia, it is impossible to defeat our people. But, it turns out, you can buy the very top, and he will already persuade all the people that, they say, “sleep well, the Russians”, nothing terrible happens. And our kind naive people will say - well, okay, we trust you.

But still, one wonders why March 4 was held elections, and two days later Serdyukov took the initiative that we would have a base in Ulyanovsk, and two days later Comrade Barack Obama congratulated Vladimir Putin on his victory? It seems to us that he simply does not understand what he plunges into before he begins to command. And this, after all, raises many unnecessary questions, including him as president, for whom the majority of the nation relies on him as his last hope.
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  1. +43
    19 March 2012 11: 35
    1 March 2012 of the year in Ulyanovsk passed a picket of protest against the creation of a military base of our worst enemies - NATO forces - in Ulyanovsk. People were told that this was a direct betrayal, a real betrayal of the Motherland! ...
    1. dmitryg
      -12
      19 March 2012 11: 54
      275 Article. Treason
      High treason, that is, espionage, the issuance of state secrets or other assistance to a foreign state, foreign organization or their representatives in carrying out hostile activities to the detriment of the external security of the Russian Federation, committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation

      The fool understands that the damage to the _external security of the Russian Federation_ doesn’t even smell here, and Prokhanov’s world backstage can only scare children. And it’s strange that Rogozin is good, he raises the military-industrial complex. That he - does not know what he is doing. Gentlemen, be consistent in your assessments.
      1. -8
        19 March 2012 22: 05
        Of course, it would be cool to "substitute" the United States and block their access, BUT!!!

        1. We, in the period of active, but unfortunately unsuccessful attempts to implement the project "Alliance with NATO", have already given them a reason to rely on the northern route;

        2. To deprive the United States of such a transport corridor now means to leave their troops without supplies, and therefore doom them to victims. The well-fed "world community" will not forgive us for this;

        3. Our refusal will be presented as "Baba Yaga against ..." and we will just lose face in their Western view, and there is no other now;

        4. Since Afghanistan is not only the United States, such a demarche on our part will only unite Europe with the United States against us.

        Preliminary conclusion: such a drastic action, which would be Russia's refusal to provide the United States with a northern route, we will make ourselves worse. (while things are)

        5. US soldiers will be forced to somehow interrupt, but just when they interrupt, we will lose the lever of pressure on them. The more we tie them on ourselves in Afghanistan, the more we have the opportunity to maneuver around Syria and Iran.

        6. The longer the US stays in Afghanistan, the harder it hits the US economy. It is beneficial for us that the USA from YOURSELF WILL NEVER EXIT... The whole history of Afghanistan says - the longer the invader is there, the more difficult and bloody his exodus from there is. It is not for nothing that Afghanistan is called the "cemetery of empires".

        Besides, if you look at the map, you will see that the US troops in a hopeless situation may break into Iran, so we ourselves will force them to do what we are opposed to.

        The final conclusion: Right are those who believe that the US needs to provide a corridor further, and even make money on it.
        1. Uralm
          0
          20 March 2012 00: 35
          alex-defensor
          What pressure on the usa ?! These are the players. They even sell war through channels
          They always use what they need at the moment. and no more
          1. 0
            29 March 2012 00: 05
            Quote: Uralm
            What pressure on the usa ?! These are the players. They even sell war through channels
            They always use what they need at the moment. and no more


            Respected Uralm, from your remark I understood that you apparently inattentively read what I wrote.

            Namely, that they are players, that’s what you have to play with, and the rules have been invented for a long time, there are international norms, the treaties must be implemented. Again, do not think that the fact that they use our territory for transit is not used by us. Ours, fortunately, learned, and rightly so.

            For which of the following items do you personally object? I didn’t understand something.
    2. bad
      bad
      -31
      19 March 2012 12: 25
      Wow, the worst enemies !!! Well then, all the enemies want to visit the guests, to buy their goods? They fell into insanity, comrade!
    3. +11
      19 March 2012 14: 03
      This poster is a bitter truth !!! Plus, definitely!
      1. Paratov
        +8
        19 March 2012 14: 24
        To cut the dough, unfortunately, people are ready for anything!
    4. Uralm
      +2
      20 March 2012 00: 29
      Even Pakistan does not want to make money on it! Our want. What are our smart figures. It turns out Pakistan is richer than Russia, and they have more pride.
      By the way, amers never spit in the direction of Pakistan, but they do not take it seriously until they are needed. This is already a major mistake of Russia. Good run like slut
  2. YARY
    +39
    19 March 2012 11: 49
    Let us recall and remind the authorities how the rout of 1941 began!
    The USSR was "friends" with Hitler, invited him to exercises, supplied strategic raw materials, taught, allowed him to enter all spheres of life! Doesn't it look like anything?
    Where is the memory? Or, as the veterans left, they decided to repeat what almost ruined the country ?!
    1. bad
      bad
      -11
      19 March 2012 12: 22
      the defeat was the result of senior management, and not friendship with Hitler
      1. Paratov
        -1
        19 March 2012 14: 26
        The rout began in the 17th with the Orange Revolution! ..
        1. +11
          19 March 2012 15: 48
          I do not agree, it is not known how we would defend ourselves as an agrarian country and with armored cars from England.
          Under Stalin, at least the factories rose and the weapons were healthy. A completely different country became under Stalin.
          Under World War I, did soldiers massively flee from the front, or did we reach Berlin under the tsar? Notice there were already the British and Americans on the mainland and France was not captured.
          And here France is defeated, England could only bomb, and we, a Soviet young country, reached Berlin.
          1. Vadim555
            0
            19 March 2012 16: 26
            Quote: Sith Lord
            A completely different country became under Stalin.
          2. Vadim555
            +11
            19 March 2012 16: 29
            Quote: Sith Lord
            A completely different country became under Stalin.
          3. YARY
            +1
            19 March 2012 20: 00
            Lad, did I say something about Stalin? Or about the fact that there was no need to carry out industrialization?
            Well, at the expense of everything else .... here the discussion can be oh long
          4. admiral
            +3
            19 March 2012 20: 24
            You missed the fact that in the year 17 there was also the February Revolution!
    2. Ahmar
      +7
      19 March 2012 18: 57
      I had a similar thought in my head — it’s almost the same as if the USSR agreed to transit cargo from Germany during WWII — a direct betrayal!
      1. Churchill
        +3
        19 March 2012 22: 08
        And someone would tell us about the financial benefits! And sincerely wondered why such a negative reaction! ..
  3. Attack
    +28
    19 March 2012 11: 52
    In my opinion there are things that just can not be done. Under no circumstances. It’s impossible and that’s it.
    You can argue for a long time about the real or imaginary threat from this base, about whether it is a base or a cargo terminal, what they will carry through it - toilet paper or heroin, etc. etc...
    But the very fact that the country's leadership says about the possibility of its appearance leads to sad thoughts. For some reason, I'm sure that NATO would not let us into its territory under any circumstances. And we are kind, everything is for "friends".
    No place for them with us.
    I agree with YARYM. Our authorities have forgotten historical analogies. Nah don't need such friends.
    1. Paratov
      +20
      19 March 2012 14: 30
      That's it, Motherland, like a woman, even for a while. You can’t take it! And all these conversations are like; well, you! .. it's okay! .. let them take advantage! .. not for free, after all! .. if not idiocy, then betrayal!
      1. +8
        19 March 2012 15: 49
        And here you are absolutely right you noticed!
      2. +8
        19 March 2012 16: 26
        Quote: Paratov
        That's it, Motherland, like a woman, even for a while. You can’t take it! And all these conversations are like; well, you! .. it's okay! .. let them take advantage! .. not for free, after all! .. if not idiocy, then betrayal!

        Both that and another and the third .........
        1. arhipelag
          +6
          19 March 2012 18: 35
          In my opinion there are things that just can not be done. Under no circumstances. It’s impossible and that's it


          And these "things" now stuck in the Kremlin for another 12 years, for 12 years uuuu .. lope you can open NATO bases
  4. +16
    19 March 2012 11: 53
    Mdya, the historical experience of our leaders does not teach anything ... In the vicinity of the base, they can begin to build a concentration camp for Russians.
    1. bad
      bad
      -15
      19 March 2012 12: 20
      you will be the first in it)
      1. +9
        19 March 2012 14: 02
        Quote: plohoi
        you will be the first in it)

        Look, otherwise you would not be the first there .......
      2. +4
        19 March 2012 15: 50
        Well, traitors and mercenaries are not even taken prisoner, so it will be a mess to clean the oranges quickly and in one day.
  5. -9
    19 March 2012 11: 57
    Didn’t let it go? In Montenegro, if I am not mistaken, the base of the Ministry of Emergencies. And there is not only food and water. And no one howls at NATO that the Russians "those same landing divisions of the enemy, which we will have nothing to stop, since there is no army". This pearl - complete paranoia, did not master further.

    The article, sorry, squealing hysteria or just vysyot. The topic has been dealt with many times, but those who want a transit doctor are not inclined to sound arguments, he has "no army" And "strategic base in vietnam"(probably the one in which all the equipment at the airfield was plundered by local residents back in the 90s).
    1. -22
      19 March 2012 12: 19
      I agree, another sad whining of "patriots" whose hearts are bursting from the screams of the guards, all polymers ...
      1. Paratov
        +12
        19 March 2012 14: 33
        Montenegro is not Boston, not Chicago and not San Francisco!
      2. +12
        19 March 2012 15: 52
        And let me rent 1 m2 in your bedroom, I promise there will be order there!
        I don’t care whatsoever to go to this rented meter, at night or in the afternoon, you or your guests do not care.
        1. Bashkaus
          +6
          19 March 2012 18: 45
          It doesn’t matter, at 11 in the evening the entrance door to the lock, the bell goes off, they didn’t have time to arrive - there is a rug under the door, you can take a nap on it.
          At 2 am you felt like peeing? no question, but the toilet is busy, there is an uncle Vova a paratrooper who sits with him all night long (tired on horseback after drunkenness) And you can also get a sneaker on the boss with the words "why are you hanging out?"
          1. +1
            20 March 2012 08: 07
            Bashkaus:, there is Uncle Vova the former paratrooper ...
            We are never ex !!!
      3. -4
        19 March 2012 21: 57
        Quote: Varnaga

        I agree, another sad whining of "patriots" whose hearts are bursting from the screams of the guards, all polymers ...

        I agree. Already Rogozin and Lavrov explained everything, no, the paranoiaans continue their tantrum.
        I just do not understand the train of thought of those present here. When Rogozin was appointed to supervise the military-industrial complex, there were so many exclamations here: "Hurray! Now he will put things in order, well done!" Almost the savior of the Russian military-industrial complex. Now the same people implicitly accuse him of almost organizing NATO drug trafficking.
        Lavrov is also constantly praised here: "How famously he washed the Ambassador of Qatar, how well he defends the interests of the country." Now, again, they are almost accused of treason. wassat
        Friends, have you tried those you haven’t praised for trust? Maybe they really have reasons to do this, because we really know very little, and not many are able to think strategically at all (besides, much more information is needed for this).

        In addition, once again: there will be no base!

        And here again for everyone:
        Today, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued an official statement that is designed to answer the basic questions of an excited public. It says that there will be no military bases and NATO personnel at the point in Ulyanovsk.
        “There is no question of any military bases or facilities. For the purpose of possible transit, exclusively civilian material and technical support facilities would be involved - temporary storage warehouses, etc. The presence of NATO personnel is not expected, ”the statement said.
        It is emphasized that the issue of customs control of transported goods will be given special attention, and this moment was discussed in principle with NATO representatives last year.
        Thus, the most pressing issue of public discussion is removed from the agenda: not a single square meter will appear on the land of Russia, which will to some extent be under the jurisdiction of the North Atlantic Alliance.
        1. +2
          19 March 2012 22: 47
          Quote: kos
          In addition, once again: there will be no base!

          Well, yes, there will be a transshipment point! And who will protect, unload, load these cargoes on planes and in cars ???
          Quote: kos
          not a single square meter will appear on the land of Russia, which will to some extent be under the jurisdiction of the North Atlantic Alliance.

          What do you mean will not be? Stop hanging on our ears noodles !!! If there are warehouses, then there is already some kind of jurisdiction!
        2. -3
          20 March 2012 07: 15
          I agree. Already Rogozin and Lavrov explained everything, no, the paranoiaans continue their tantrum.
          I just do not understand the train of thought of those present here. When Rogozin was appointed to supervise the military-industrial complex, there were so many exclamations here: "Hurray! Now he will put things in order, well done!" Almost the savior of the Russian military-industrial complex. Now the same people implicitly accuse him of almost organizing NATO drug trafficking.
          Lavrov is also constantly praised here: "How famously he washed the Ambassador of Qatar, how well he defends the interests of the country." Now, again, they are almost accused of treason.


          And the answer is the simple riot of schizophrenia in the information space and, as a result, the total mess in the head of people for whom cause-effect relationships are absent as a phenomenon.
  6. +18
    19 March 2012 11: 59
    We do not need these transit countries, even for the sake of money. Are we beggars or something, so that the enemy can provide our territory for money.
    1. Nikita
      +12
      19 March 2012 13: 21
      Moreover, they can print this money as much as they want
      1. KAV
        KAV
        +2
        19 March 2012 14: 54
        I think that money does not play a role here. This is a lever of pressure on the United States and the leadership is already using it; remember the threats of closing delivery routes. It’s really hard for them to deliver goods without us and Packs. Of course, our people have bargained for it from Nato, of course I do not know, well, as an option, Iran or Syria are not affected.
        1. +4
          19 March 2012 17: 04
          CAV! I completely agree. Not just like that.
          1. +1
            20 March 2012 00: 30
            exactly. and I, too, thought of something. but they don’t tell us :) wait and see;)
        2. Timonf
          0
          20 March 2012 09: 06
          Nato can transport goods through the middle Asia-Caucasus, Pakistan is again ready to provide its territory for transit. But for some reason they need Russia precisely as a transshipment base.
  7. bad
    bad
    -16
    19 March 2012 12: 19
    What is paranoid nonsense? Author - take a course of treatment in a mental hospital!
  8. +24
    19 March 2012 12: 30
    It always jars that we are being held for fools !! : base for non-lethal cargo! toilet paper and water! - well, how did they get there! ??! from the american continent! not delivered by subway! ?? horseradish from where then smoke! but to Putin already !! already at the helm! Eastern Siberia was given to the Chinese, Norway the Barents Sea, now we let Americans into the center of Russia here! Treason!
  9. Born in USSR
    +7
    19 March 2012 12: 30
    I propose to discuss all the possible pros and cons of such a transshipment base.
    What I see - pluses
    1. The main plus in my opinion is by providing a supply channel, we acquire a very powerful lever of influence on the states and NATO until 2014 (it is quite possible that longer), given the lack of alternative supply routes
    2. The financial side and jobs
    3. If Pakistan and Russia do not provide channels for the supply and withdrawal of troops, there is a greater risk of seizing Iran to organize such a channel through its territory.
    4. The possibility of professional work of the FSB and GRU in technology and personnel.
    Cons
    1. The possibility of espionage activities
    2. The possibility of drug trafficking, especially when taking into account the corruption of our officials.
    3. The argument for Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Tajikistan, etc. in a situation where we blame them in cooperation with NATO and the organization of bases on their territory
    4. Internal rejection by the general population of the presence of a transshipment base of NATO on our land.
    What other disadvantages and advantages can there be?
    1. +6
      19 March 2012 13: 52
      The main disadvantage against which there are no pluses - they are here.
    2. sahha
      +6
      19 March 2012 14: 18
      The officials do not remember the history of our war in Avgan, but what did NATO do at that time? And not only there, and indeed all the time it is ruining Russia, this is the main minus, I personally am against this adventure.
      PS Only a blind man does not understand that NATO is the number 1 enemy for Russia, it has already borrowed from all sides, it remains only to neutralize the Russian nuclear shield, it’s not in vain that they build a missile defense system.
    3. Paratov
      +13
      19 March 2012 14: 38
      Here it is a market economy in action! .. The main minus is that I do not want to see these friends with us! .. Because, if something breaks out, we’ll go to fight, not Putin and not Rogozin and Lavrov!
      1. +2
        19 March 2012 15: 54
        let's be honest, the leaders do not fight at all, even if he will be king three times. It's stupid to decapitate the state ...
        1. admiral
          +1
          19 March 2012 20: 29
          And it’s sad that managers know about it! And this, in turn, greatly changes their consciousness ...
    4. karnics
      -1
      19 March 2012 22: 54
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      I propose to discuss all the possible pros and cons of such a transshipment base.


      It’s the same as seeing the benefits of rape:
      1. Free sex.
      2. New sensations.
      3. New acquaintance.
      4. But alive.
      5. And many other "pluses" that allow you to see your fevered imagination of the victim.
    5. 0
      20 March 2012 03: 46
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      What are the other disadvantages

      goods are going to be transported to Baltic ports
      Is it not enough of their own that they want to feed these non-traditional in transit?
  10. +1
    19 March 2012 12: 53
    Such a terrible nonsense in the article .... even comment on laziness.

    http://russia.ru/video/diskurs_13043/ Вот тут всё чотко и по делу, а не как в этой "статье".

    PS I would advise admins to separate "stuffing" from analytics.
    1. -7
      19 March 2012 13: 56
      Chuck-norris,
      I agree, complete nonsense, and illiterate, from a military point of view,
      Pure hysteria "a la swamp", the article is a huge minus bully
  11. sevas
    +6
    19 March 2012 13: 00
    Choose a guarantor !!!!!
    So get it!

    Justify that this base is good for Russia, not a betrayal !!!!
    1. +2
      19 March 2012 14: 00
      Quote: sevas
      Choose a guarantor !!!!!
      So get it!
      Something silent mongrel licking ass tandem!
      Justify that this base is good for Russia, not a betrayal !!!!

      Hi Sevas! You’re saying everything correctly! I’m already tired of arguing and proving with them !!! They all need to take off their pink glasses before it’s too late !!!
  12. karnics
    +9
    19 March 2012 13: 19
    And where is the "irreconcilable" fighter with the West after the elections, where are the promises, where are the real actions! What was required to be proved - Putin is the Six of Zion, the administrator of the Russia-Khazaria CJSC, and this is a fact, if not regrettable. Russia is occupied and surrounded by enemies on all sides, and you fawn on and sing majestic hymns to the "great" Pu. ...
    1. +2
      19 March 2012 14: 04
      Stuffing article. Nothing to do with reality. According to Rogozin, he is already tired of assuring everyone that the creation of a NATO base on Russian territory is nonsense.
      here are links to the rebuttal.
      1. http://russia.ru/video/diskurs_13043/
      2. http://perm-rus.org/content/rogozin-prizval-ne-panikovat-iz-za-%C2%ABvoennoi-baz
      y% C2% BB-nato-v-ulyanovske


      Here are the words of Dmitry Rogozin "I am explaining to you in Russian for the hundredth time that there is no NATO base in Ulyanovsk and will never be! How easy it is for you to be led by provocations," Rogozin wrote. "I am no less surprised by the position of some of our officials, who with their vague ... interviews bring confusion "
      1. Paratov
        +4
        19 March 2012 14: 42
        They are in confusion with their toilet paper! If American warriors can not do without toilet paper, we ourselves could put it to them!
        1. Sergh
          +3
          19 March 2012 20: 00
          Paratov, I’d instead of the toilet, I'd put sandpaper, preferably large-grained, they’ll immediately become less likely.
      2. -5
        19 March 2012 15: 48
        I’ve been repeating that day. and the people are warmed up and warmed up by all sorts of articles. Watered technology.
      3. +3
        19 March 2012 16: 36
        Yes, here is a link to a statement by Rogozin about this provocation with Ulyanovsk in the internet.
        http://ruclubnews.ru/rogozin-bazy-nato-v-ulyanovske-ne-budet.html
        1. Churchill
          +4
          19 March 2012 22: 13
          And even if it is a false alarm; I liked the reaction of the people! Absolutely no!!!
  13. qwz_qwz
    +5
    19 March 2012 13: 25
    through this transit center only non-military goods will be delivered - water, toilet paper
    what but what do the Americans do on their own on Russian soil, provision is necessary - let them pay money and Russian specialists organize a supply and transit center with Russian employees, and their specialists have a minimum number so that they do not scream, or would it not be more logical?
  14. Nechai
    +11
    19 March 2012 13: 55
    Quote: karnics
    where are the promises, where is the real action!

    I was greatly affected by shots from the headquarters of the Elected President, on the night of the counting of votes - Baaaaa !!! And Ben Lazar has fun and exult there ... The society provided a chance for the legally authorities to change the destructive course of the Country. "Without revolutions and upheavals." How the media coo. Go for it. We will always help you with this. Deeds first. But if this is a bluff ... This will be the last puppet show ...
    1. karnics
      +7
      19 March 2012 14: 14
      These ... who only corrects the grave in power, they themselves will not replace the destructive course of Russia, because they are the main reason for this destructive course. You can only solve them with a silo and remove Russian, suppress reptiles, and leave no parasites alive and this is a cancerous tumor on the body of the country, it is a rotting abscess rod that can only be removed surgically ... Like Stalin in 1937, the only way , and if this is not done, the cancerous metastases of another government will destroy the country and its people ...
    2. +6
      19 March 2012 14: 20
      Nechai,
      Hi, Valera. You, as always, are harsh, but fair. I hope that for the old man there is an old AK and a couple of grenades? drinks
      1. +1
        19 March 2012 15: 07
        Me too.
        I’ll ask you to reserve, preferably with a grenade launcher or RPG ... I will carry it myself.
      2. Sniper 1968
        +1
        19 March 2012 22: 05
        old rocketman,
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        , and for the old man there is an old AK and a couple of grenades

        Igarr,
        Quote: Igarr
        , preferably with a grenade launcher or RPG ... I will carry it myself.

        Out of my ear I heard ... And where are they distributing? ... request
  15. +2
    19 March 2012 14: 13
    Moreover, escort of RU fighter jets ordered, for training purposes. And also all radars will watch for them. But still they are here.
  16. Sniper 1968
    +10
    19 March 2012 14: 44
    My friends, try to imagine: The Russian military base in Pittsburgh (USA). Doesn’t it work? But the enemies (who else doubts?) Very much. What kind of ... is this? ... When it comes to defense countries, management must be forgotten ... To all the Light My respect.
    1. +5
      19 March 2012 16: 23
      Quote: Sniper 1968
      My friends, try to imagine: The Russian military base in Pittsburgh (USA). Doesn’t it work? But the enemies (who else doubts?) Very much. What kind of ... is this? ... When it comes to defense countries, management must be forgotten ... To all the Light My respect.

      That's for sure! I am amazed only by one !!! That there are such people on this site who find all sorts of excuses for this, they say we’ll cut down the dough or they’re chasing the Taliban in Agan - bullshit .......
      1. Sniper 1968
        +4
        19 March 2012 20: 45
        nycsson,
        I agree, my friend Nixon. ANY help to the enemy is UNACCEPTABLE. ++++
        1. +4
          19 March 2012 22: 33
          Quote: Sniper 1968
          I agree, my friend Nixon. ANY help to the enemy is UNACCEPTABLE. ++++

          Sniper, the most funny thing is that for us they are enemies, but for our leadership it seems like friends !!! wassat wassat wassat
          1. Sniper 1968
            +4
            19 March 2012 22: 43
            nycsson,
            I don’t understand THIS either. Let's take a look at the first steps of the new old president ... When the Mannequin leaves ... Good luck.
            1. +1
              19 March 2012 23: 57
              Quote: Sniper 1968
              I don’t understand THIS either. Let's take a look at the first steps of the new old president ... When the Mannequin leaves ... Good luck.

              That's for sure, wait and see!
    2. kNow
      0
      21 March 2012 09: 09
      sold out.
  17. dred
    +5
    19 March 2012 15: 06
    Here they started raking ghouls right now. There, in the moyum, the battalion of hangers is ours.
    1. Sniper 1968
      +5
      19 March 2012 15: 26
      dred,
      Quote: dred
      Here let ghouls rake now

      Let the goats into the garden, you will remain without cabbage. No. recourse what
  18. +3
    19 March 2012 15: 32
    I don’t give a damn about transit, but on the whole, the drug control has increased work.
  19. CEO
    CEO
    -5
    19 March 2012 16: 33
    What the hell. Article pure water fake. RESET. THERE WILL NOT BE BASES, THE CHORUS HOSTER !!!!!!!!!!!
  20. nnnnnnnnn
    +3
    19 March 2012 16: 49
    Pakistan is discussing the possibility of making a decision on the transit of goods through its territory, and whether there will be a base in Ulyanovsk or not, there is no long wait
    1. Sniper 1968
      +1
      19 March 2012 20: 50
      nnnnnnnnn,
      If only parasites could block oxygen, this moment is good ...
  21. +3
    19 March 2012 17: 44
    but not a word on television !!! but now the NATO will seek an opportunity to carry out some kind of provocation that subsequently ... it’s hard even to imagine
  22. Nechai
    +2
    19 March 2012 18: 03
    Quote: Nechai
    Baaaaa !!! And Ben Lazar has fun and exult there ...

    I am not otnyut not anti-Jewish and in Ben Lazar I am outraged to be otnyut not his sideses. And the history of his appearance in Russia and the strategy and policy he pursued. How was it? His predecessor at the post of rabbi, the whole of Russia, turned to the only then formed "seven bankers" - what are you doing "kinder teuffel"! You ultimately cause the anger of the peoples of Russia, the Russians in the first place, on the heads and fates of all Jews living in the country! And in the blink of an eye he was replaced by the Israelites with Ben Lazar ...
  23. +9
    19 March 2012 18: 17
    Prokhanov is right! It's humiliating for us !!!!!! But, as a rule, we are accustomed to humiliation. I don't know yet the same patient people as the Russians ... The country is ruled by bosses, and no one asked our opinion. which, I doubt, that the one with bucks falling out of his pockets will go to fight against foreigners ... Rightly, we - “mere mortals.” It infuriates me that they grab, and we will go to fight ... fool angry request
  24. Bashkaus
    -5
    19 March 2012 18: 31
    In my opinion, the article is custom-made. I personally do not believe in horror stories that the Ulyanovsk phonon will occupy Ryazan within three days. and in a week, the Lyubiretsky lads will begin to dig anti-tank ditches. It’s possible to make a diversion or gather intelligence even without American transport workers in such numbers, the last 70 years have somehow cost, and it turned out cheaper, the same garbage, it’s one thing to catch a criminal channel, another state one, and poplars can bloom in Washington, they it is not necessary, they will deliver through other channels. From a military point of view, this base is not viable, in fact it is an inhabited island lost in the ocean. Poor people spend billions on the development of stealth technologies to break through the trashy shield of Russian air defense, and here transport workers and dispatchers stuffed with SS-squads are just like on the avenue from phashington to Ulyanovsk on a green wave. The question is, what forces will they advance from Ulyanovsk, how will they be supplied, how long will the fuel supply of the fuel last, etc., and the frosts are fierce, because you will indulge in small dashes from the gas station to the gas station, so the oil workers will earn ...
    But seriously, this base can be compared to a catheter needle for blood sampling, which Russia carefully inserted into the US vein. It doesn’t hurt, imperceptibly, and the illusion that we are helping, but in fact, thick bohemian blood drop by drop from this catheter, the main thing cones to substitute buckets for blood sampling in time with the words "this is for Wasserman's reaction, let's see, this is for hepatitis .." no matter how long the rope twists, and the enemy weakens with every drop. There are droplets in Serbia, Iraq, Avganistan, Libya (although the truth here they were passionately engaged in self-descent)
  25. Hedgehog
    +3
    19 March 2012 19: 00
    no one has akm in the basement with RPG ???? lol

    And ate honestly everyone remembers what happened before the Second World War

    damn I can not understand it really ???? I just found out about this news
  26. +2
    19 March 2012 19: 07
    Allowing to create a base and make money is not bad, but there is one thing, but if the amers take root, you can’t pick them out.
    R..S. Not such a poor Russia, one might think there is nothing to buy bread for. Still in the 90s, as it would be clear, but now ??
    1. Hedgehog
      +5
      19 March 2012 19: 34
      Of course not poor then steal billions !!!
  27. +5
    19 March 2012 21: 36
    To be honest, I’m in a stupor or in, I still don’t understand. Until the last I thought it was another leftist propaganda. I didn’t believe that this was possible. I don’t even know what to believe now. It's a shame of course that they are holding for a dumb cattle. I don’t know I voted I would now be for Putin, if the elections were tomorrow. Although there were no other adequate ones. But it would be more honest, at least to know about it before. I am categorically against this adventure. You can’t name it another way! NATO ENEMY and what purpose pursues our government, at least I don’t understand!
  28. +2
    19 March 2012 21: 55
    alexneg,
    By the way! I looked through your links, honestly, I DON’T CONVINCE THE BACK!
    DO NOT PANIC - This is not an argument!
    1. 0
      19 March 2012 23: 09
      People! I give the link! Read!
      http://www.stihi.ru/2012/03/15/1633
      Here is an excerpt:
      • On June 7 on June 2007, federal law N 99-FZ was passed (which, with flagrant violations, was pushed through the Federal Assembly by President Putin’s administration), according to which US and NATO forces received legal justification for their presence on the territory of the Russian Federation. It follows from this law that even when committing war crimes in Russia, foreign soldiers ... will not be legally liable;

      • near Ulyanovsk, it is planned to create in the very near future a base of NATO forces through which the withdrawal of primarily the American contingent from Afghanistan will be carried out;

      • the violent activity in coordinating the deployment of a NATO base near Ulyanovsk coincided with the ominous provocation of the US military in Afghanistan absolutely randomly: they burned seventy (!) Copies of the Koran, and dozens of people were killed in the ensuing protests;

      • The anti-American hysteria planned by THE SAME AMERICANS in Afghanistan will continue to be skillfully heated. This will be done so that during a period of absolutely unavoidable popular indignation in Russia (the total introduction of paid services in healthcare and education from the summer of 2012, the increase in energy prices and housing and communal services, accompanying these phenomena with a sharp jump in inflation) “suddenly” arose emergency emergency withdrawal of US troops THROUGH THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA. And here the leadership of the anti-people’s Kremlin “elite” will only ask these friendly foreign troops to restore “constitutional order” in our country. That is, crush the caterpillars of tanks with a popular protest. After that, the regime of the foreign occupation of Russia, in combination with the rule of the “popularly elected” Putin-United Russia authority, will be FOREVER established. That is, until the complete extermination of the Russian and all other indigenous peoples of Russia - after which there will be no one to take part in the next farces called "elections".


      I do not want to be a visionary - especially in this matter. But the events of the most recent days with more and more convincing evidence confirm that I have given a correct assessment of the intent of the American-NATO strategists and their Kremlin henchmen. Judge for yourself - I consider it sufficient to give ONLY THE HEADINGS OF PUBLICATIONS IN THE MEDIA:

      • An American soldier in southern Afghanistan for no reason shot at night several sleeping peaceful Afghan families in their homes (11 March 2012 g.) [Here it is - a deliberate escalation of hysteria in Afghanistan! On the night of March 2, I published an article saying THAT WILL BE. And on the night of March 11, a US Army soldier with weapons in his hands left the territory of the military base, went around several nearby houses and shot innocent civilians. Among them, according to media reports, there were nine children. - Egor Parfyonov];
      • Shooting in Afghan Kandahar: Taliban claim that a US soldier killed more than 20 civilians;
      • Taliban will cut off Americans' heads for killing civilians;
      • US Secretary of Defense arrives in Afghanistan on an unannounced visit;
      • A series of terrorist attacks occurred during the visit of the Pentagon head to Afghanistan;
      • The massacre in Kandahar will accelerate the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan;
      • Obama ordered to speed up the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
  29. Hedgehog
    +4
    19 March 2012 22: 11
    wow everything is strange
    1. 0
      19 March 2012 23: 10
      Federal Law of the Russian Federation of 7 June 2007 g. N 99-FZ "On ratification of the Agreement between the States Parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other states participating in the Partnership for Peace program on the status of their Forces from 19 June 1995 and the Additional Protocol to him

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      Date of the first official publication: June 16, 2007 Published in: "RG" - Federal issue No. 4390 June 16, 2007

      Adopted by the State Duma on 23 on May 2007
      Approved by the Federation Council on 25 on May 2007

      Ratify the Agreement between the States Parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other States participating in the Partnership for Peace program on the status of their Forces dated 19 June 1995 of the year, signed on behalf of the Russian Federation in Vilnius 21 April 2005, and the Additional Protocol to the Agreement between States parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other States participating in the Partnership for Peace program on the status of their Forces dated 19 on June 1995, signed on behalf of the Russian Federation in Sofia 28 on April 2006, with the following statement:

      in order to implement the Agreement between the States parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other states participating in the Partnership for Peace program on the status of their Forces from 19 June 1995, the Russian Federation proceeds from the following understanding of the following provisions of the Agreement between the Parties to the North Atlantic Treaty on the status of their Forces from 19 June 1951 of the Year (hereinafter the Agreement):

      1) the provision of paragraph 4 of Article III of the Agreement obliging the authorities of the sending state to immediately inform the authorities of the receiving state of cases of non-return to the homeland after dismissal from service of a member of the armed forces or a person from among the civilian component also applies to cases of unauthorized abandonment by the indicated persons of the location of the forces of the sending state at their weapons;

      2) under the words “possess arms” used in Article VI of the Agreement, the Russian Federation on the basis of reciprocity will understand the use and use of weapons, and the words “supportively consider the requests of the receiving state” means the obligation of the authorities of the sending state to take into account the requirements of the receiving state regarding carrying, transporting, transportation, use and use of weapons;

      3) the list of offenses referred to in subsection "c" of paragraph 2 of Article VII of the Agreement is not exhaustive and includes, in addition to those listed for the Russian Federation, other offenses against the foundations of its constitutional structure and security and provided for by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation;

      4) The Russian Federation, in accordance with paragraph 4 of Article VII of the Agreement, proceeds from the fact that the authorities of the sending state have the right to exercise their jurisdiction if unidentified persons commit crimes against this state, members of its Forces, civilian component or their families. When establishing the perpetrator, the procedure determined by the Agreement is in force;

      5) the assistance referred to in subsection a of paragraph 6 of Article VII of the Agreement is provided in accordance with the law of the requested State. When rendering legal assistance, the competent authorities of the States Parties to the Agreement interact directly, and if necessary, through the relevant higher authorities;

      6) The Russian Federation admits the importation of goods and vehicles named in paragraphs 2, 5 and 6 of Article XI of the Agreement, equipment and material items referred to in paragraph 4 of Article XI of the Agreement, intended for the needs of the Forces, in accordance with the terms of the customs regime of temporary admission, established by the customs legislation of the Russian Federation. Moreover, such importation is carried out with full conditional exemption from payment of customs duties, taxes, fees, with the exception of customs fees for storage, customs clearance of goods and services of this kind outside the designated places or hours of work of customs authorities, and for the time provided for by the Agreement if such dates are expressly specified in the Agreement.

      The Russian Federation assumes that the procedure and conditions for the importation of goods referred to in Article XI of paragraph 4 of the Agreement and intended for the needs of the Force will be governed by separate agreements on the direction and acceptance of the Force between the Russian Federation and the sending state.

      No provisions of Article XI, including paragraphs 3 and 8, limit the right of the customs authorities of the Russian Federation to take all necessary measures to monitor compliance with the conditions for the importation of goods and vehicles provided for in Article XI of the Agreement, if such measures are necessary in accordance with customs legislation of the Russian Federation.

      The Russian Federation proceeds from the fact that the sending state submits to the customs authorities of the Russian Federation confirmation that all goods and vehicles imported into the Russian Federation in accordance with the provisions of Article XI of the Agreement and separate agreements on the direction and acceptance of the Force between the Russian Federation and the sending state, may be used exclusively for the purpose for which they were imported. If they are used for other purposes with respect to such goods and vehicles, all customs payments stipulated by the legislation of the Russian Federation must be paid, as well as other requirements established by the legislation of the Russian Federation must be observed.

      The transit of these goods and vehicles is carried out in accordance with the customs legislation of the Russian Federation.

      The Russian Federation, in accordance with paragraph 11 of Article XI, declares that it allows the import into the customs territory of the Russian Federation of petroleum products intended for use in the operation of service vehicles, aircraft and ships belonging to the Force or the civilian component, with exemption from customs duties and taxes in accordance with the requirements and restrictions established by the legislation of the Russian Federation.

      The Russian Federation permits the importation of vehicles named in paragraphs 2, 5 and 6 of Article XI of the Agreement and intended for personal use by civilians and their family members in accordance with the conditions of temporary importation, established by the legislation of the Russian Federation.

      The Russian Federation assumes that customs clearance of goods imported (exported) by persons from the civilian component and members of their families intended exclusively for their personal use, including goods for initial acquisition, is free of customs duties, with the exception of customs duties for storage, customs clearance of goods and services of this kind outside of the designated places or hours of work of customs authorities;

      7) The Russian Federation also assumes that the documents sent to its competent authorities under the Agreement and the materials attached to them will be accompanied by their certified translations into Russian.

      President
      Russian Federation
      Putin
  30. +3
    19 March 2012 22: 39
    Strange, not the right word, Hedgehog!
    It seems like Stalin made concessions to Hitler just before the war itself, in order to delay its beginning.
    To rearm the army. But it somehow calms down a little. As you imagine these Yankees on Russian soil, it gets worse!
  31. 755962
    +1
    19 March 2012 22: 58
    From the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, one can understand. This extra card in the "sleeve" will not hurt. If the situation is successful, you can play it wisely. wink
  32. +1
    19 March 2012 23: 14
    755962,
    In order to know, in order to know! -This is chess! You have to take a word. There is no other way out. But what a blow to your reputation. Geopolitics is alien to an ordinary person.
    1. 755962
      +1
      19 March 2012 23: 27
      Quote: sergo0000
      But what a blow to your reputation.

      The reputation of whom do you mean?
      1. +2
        19 March 2012 23: 32
        755962,
        Yes, our government! Or do you think people in Ulyanovsk will say thank you? Although who knows!
        1. 755962
          +1
          19 March 2012 23: 37
          I agree with you about a simple layman. It is certainly unpleasant and alien. But from the point of view of geopolitics, not everything is clear here.
  33. +3
    20 March 2012 00: 04
    755962,
    Let us hope for the best. There is nothing else to stay. In an extreme case, I'll take the Saiga, and on my own! I will wage a partisan war! good
    1. +5
      20 March 2012 00: 13
      As a last resort I will take "Saiga", and for my capture! I will wage a guerrilla war!

      Here, too, I think the Tiger and SCS begin to cook ...
      1. 755962
        +4
        20 March 2012 00: 17
        Good luck guys!
    2. +5
      20 March 2012 00: 18
      Quote: sergo0000
      ! I will lead a guerrilla war!

      good fine. And here's a picture in the subject caught ... laughing good
  34. +2
    20 March 2012 00: 49
    Reks,
    We are cooler in the North! good
    We have taiga. And where to go?
    RUSSIANS DO NOT GIVE UP!
    And even more so, Siberians! bully
    1. +2
      20 March 2012 01: 14
      Quote: sergo0000
      We are cooler in the North!

      "Harsh Siberian men", crossed paths in the service and worked together. Guys, GOLD !!!!! good
      1. +1
        20 March 2012 01: 28
        Reks,
        Yes, Misha! Guys do not miss us, es for sure! The Germans experienced during the war themselves. It remains for the Amers to try! am
        1. +2
          20 March 2012 01: 35
          Quote: sergo0000
          . Remained amers try!

          Sergey. Have tried already laughing and more than once, by the way. Just many, or almost all, could not share their impressions with fellow countrymen. laughing Caution against repeating the error, so to speak. drinks
  35. sleepy
    +2
    20 March 2012 02: 37
    I read in one book (I can not vouch for the accuracy of citation)
    "You made a deal with the devil and consider it profitable?
    Count the fingers, count your relatives. look where you are standing.
    If after that you continue to consider the deal profitable for yourself, then you are mindless. "
  36. VY16
    +3
    20 March 2012 04: 57
    here is the picture, it seems to me in the subject ...
  37. +5
    20 March 2012 05: 34
    In the furnace, all their goods, no compromises.
    We ourselves must print rubles and buy politicians from Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and others.
    It all starts with a small one, now there are loads, then there will be bases, now they will not ban fagots, tomorrow we will all be bent.
  38. hunting
    +1
    20 March 2012 08: 03
    it is necessary to bomb, burn all the poppy plantations in Afghanistan, the interests of nat. security is at stake.
  39. Hedgehog
    0
    20 March 2012 17: 54
    "nj gkj [j jxtym gkj [j
  40. woman
    +1
    25 March 2012 15: 06
    Rogozin was a good pepper until he drank some honey from the Kremlin's trough, the official works, executes and says for a salary, don’t need to blame them, we’ll probably earn money so that the warriors still increase their pay. One such base already stands on the Yamal Peninsula where the Ural Range. and this is apparently a test of public tendency to surrender to Russia or it’s very cold there.