Some details of the crash of the Yak-130 near Borisoglebsk

Aware Source aviation the base of the Russian Aerospace Forces Borisoglebsk confirmed the fact of the crash of the Yak-130 combat trainer. According to a source, the plane was managed by a fifth-year cadet Ivan Klimenko. The training flight was planned. In addition to the cadet, there was an experienced instructor officer in the cabin. According to recent reports, his military rank is Major. The name of the instructor is called - Sergey Zavoloka.

The plane began to rapidly lose height in the sky above the northern part of the Volgograd region. Fortunately, the cadet of the branch of the Air Force Academy together with the pilot-instructor managed to eject in time. Ivan Klimenko and Sergey Zavoloka were sent to Borisoglebsk military hospital in a state of shock. According to the latest data, the pilots piloting the aircraft did not receive any serious damage.

The fire brigades of the Boris and Gleb garrison worked at the crash site (and this is a sunflower field). The burning wreckage of the Yak-130 was extinguished around 14: 55 (MSK).

Fire Department of Borisoglebsk Flight Base:

The working version is confirmed that the cause of the crash was a malfunction in the engine of the aircraft. Earlier, pilots of the Borisoglebsky airbase have repeatedly criticized the technical aspects of the Yak-130 aircraft.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

technical aspects of the aircraft.
Well, yes, of course. Only what is the "aspect"? And then ...

[Herculesic]

Aspect, my friend, this is a tricky word to clouding the layman with their brains!

[NIKNN]

cadet 5th year Ivan Klimenko.

When I studied there was only 4 courses.

over the northern part of the Volgograd region

well, as I understand it, the 4th zone is closer to Povorino

According to recent reports, the pilots who piloted the plane did not receive any serious damage.

Well, thank God...

[maxim947]

When I studied there was only 4 courses.[i] [/ i]
Now almost all schools have become engineering and, accordingly, five-year ...
And complaints about the plane are alarming (if they really were), the pilots will not just chat. It is necessary to localize it 100% times.combat. Then there will be no speculation regarding the malicious intent of engine manufacturers.

[NIKNN]

Quote: maxim947

When I studied there was only 4 courses.[i] [/ i]
Now almost all schools have become engineering and, accordingly, five-year ...

Yes, I don’t mind ..., you can’t do without increasing the engineering share, the technique is serious, I ended up on the MiG-21 in 1984 .... with a flying time of 340 hours ... well, not exactly how much memory allows ... 196 on the L-29. and the rest on the MiG 21PFM ... flew in Uvarovo, Zherdevka. Povorino and Borisoglebsk ...

[sir_obs]

And if there were complaints, then what they did not refuse to fly on it?
Or is it customary for pilots to train on malfunctioning equipment?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Herkulesich

Aspect, my friend, this is a tricky word to clouding the layman with their brains!

Well, with the layman it is clear, but with the brains of the smiley, something is not right. Does he look like you? Then both to the stomatologist.

[LeonidL]

Before, all the problems were in the “aspect” of the control system. The plane is clearly raw, although it recently went into series, but the fifth (if I am not mistaken) flight accident with ejection.

[cniza]

Let's not guess, the specialists will figure it out ...

[Zibelew]

Specialists will sort it out and plant the work. Or maybe a jamb of pilots. Anything can happen. Here's an example:

Merezhnikov about __ hour. __ min __ g., being in the territory of the positional area of ​​the military unit __ in __, anticipating the possibility of socially dangerous consequences in the form of a fire, but without sufficient reason arrogantly counting on the prevention of these consequences, he opened a fire for cooking near the BTR-82A masked with flammable materials as a result of which it was ignited, which entailed, through negligence, the grave consequences expressed in the destruction of weapons and military equipment, for a total amount of 28 011 684 rubles. 87 kopecks
... So, witnesses M., F., R., R., N., M., L., Z. testified that ___ in the place indicated in the description of the sentence during the training sessions masked the armored personnel carrier -82A with a camouflage net, tarpaulin, dry grass, after which Merezhnikov lit a fire near him for cooking, resulting in a fire and the destruction of military property.
... a military court sentenced:
Merezhnikov S. S. found guilty of negligent destruction of weapons and items of military equipment, entailing grave consequences, that is, a crime under Art. 347 of the Criminal Code, and sentenced to him in the form of detention in a disciplinary military unit for a period of 6 (six) months.

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[Herculesic]

The best Tageryan site my fiery greetings !! A good APC was once. ..

[Grandfather]

complaints were already on the 130th ... sorted out, but apparently a little ...

[Juborg]

One thing is embarrassing, I have not heard that the Italian M-346, the brother of our 130th, would fall.

[Gransasso]

Fell 2 times .. true prototypes. Not serial. Yes and about kinship ... rather they are second cousins ​​and not native

[Awaz]

I’m now in Italy, some kind of military airfield is nearby, heavy trucks of Hercules are constantly landing there, but right now our 130 brother came in for landing ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Well, yes, of course. Only what is the "aspect"?

Aspects...
I do not like to give unprofessional comments.
I am a tankman. But among my friends there are Flyers. Real and terry, for example Sanya with VO (WUA 518), FAC Mig-31.
Their diagnosis is this - "Elki" is a real flying school desks, on which it is possible to learn. On simple machines, SKY pilots themselves are born. For training it is necessary the PARTA, such "wooden".
Yak-130 is a complex aircraft. It is good for college graduates for the profile.
In this case, there was a cadet of the 5 course and an instructor pilot.
So ... well, anything can happen. This is still Aviation.
God bless them and good luck on VLK.
So that the instructor further taught, and the graduate received epaulettes with clearance and a ticket for the Military Pilot.

[Herculesic]

This means that the aircraft has either a structural defect or some kind of untreated “childhood illness!” After all, it’s not the first Yak130 that fell this year !!!

[Muvka]

Just a second. It is not so much. But in the past and the year before last - did not fall.

[kirills]

That year also in Bangladesh.

[Alex 2016]

".... Earlier, pilots at the Borisoglebsk air base repeatedly expressed complaints regarding the technical aspects of the Yak-130 plane ...." I hope the Yakovlev Design Bureau will take appropriate measures to eliminate the problems identified. Although ... claims from the personnel of the VKS in relation to the Yak-130 sound quite a while ago. And the flow does not decrease. But from the OKB there is no answer ...

[Vita vko]

Again the rear of the fuel-and-oil range. Hence the technical aspects in the work of technology. Moreover, cadets are also not a gift and love to gazanut out of the blue. Of course, the training is equipped with "protection from the fool" by default, but it seems time to already create "protection against morons."

[Mik13]

Quote: Vita VKO

Again, the rear of the fuel-and-oil range.

Come on! Unlike amphibians, in aviation the chief of a fuel and lubricant warehouse is not a warrant officer, but a captain. He has a higher education in the corresponding profile.
No one ever fuels fuel in aviation. It provides for a number of fairly stringent control procedures, which are very difficult to get around.
And most importantly - why? Who needs aviation kerosene? It is, in fact, only in jet engines and is used ...

[Andrey NM]

The "samovar" DT is stolen with stolen aviation kerosene, turning this "compote" into a "winter DT".

[Arikkhab]

on aviation kerosene remarkably diesel "Japanese" in the Far East ran

[faridg7]

Well, I can confirm that the Pajero on a mixture of TC1 and MC8 (20 liters of oil mixture per 200 liters of the final product) travels more economically and faster than on a solarium with gas stations.
Regarding the crash, the failure of both engines when returning to base? Why grandmother shag? The car obviously has control problems and in my opinion there is a need to poke someone like a kitten in his shit

[Topotun]

Can still wait for the results of the commission? And it turns out that someone has restored the cause of the accident from the burning debris. Some source ... Anonymous damn.

[Gransasso]

Well, you did not wait for the results of the investigation to write about the pros in the form of supposedly acquired experience ....


And the failure of the KSU is far from the first case of the loss of these aircraft ... at least two aircraft have already been lost for this reason ..

[Topotun]

Do you know that there was a failure of an integrated management system? It seems no one has announced anything ....

[okko077]

On the plane there are 2 engines and two engine control systems .... The question is pros: can the Yak-130 complete the flight on 1 - the engine. I think this is a mandatory requirement for a combat training aircraft. But how really? ... This is a theory, but the reasons for the fall may be different, let's wait ...

[voyaka uh]

Therefore, there is no point in arguing that twin-engine fighters are supposedly more
reliable than single-engine. One failure is enough for the pilot to urgently catapult.

[okko077]

An interesting conclusion - SU-27 sits on one without problems .... Difficulties in translation or brain paralysis?

[voyaka uh]

Not "sits on one", but "can sit on one." Like the F-15 and others. But no one is trying to do this. If one engine fails, the pilots catapult,

[analgin]

Quote: voyaka uh

Not "sits on one", but "can sit on one." Like the F-15 and others. But no one is trying to do this.

I mean, "But no one is trying to do this."?

Quote: voyaka uh

If one engine fails, the pilots catapult,

Always always? Right?

[voyaka uh]

He will say this: "in the vast majority of cases." Tried, and sometimes planted on one engine. This is when bailout over enemy territory. And we had such a case: the F-15 received in 1982 a rocket into the engine nozzle from a Syrian pilot. But I reached the base. The plane had to replace both engines, and it was returned to service after a long repair.
However, the two engines set to increase traction, and not to increase reliability.
If you noticed, the Boeing intercontinental airliners switched from 4 engines to two, and there were no more accidents. Just reliable engines.

[analgin]

Quote: voyaka uh

He will say this: "in the vast majority of cases."

Well, you have to write, not "But no one is trying to do it."

Quote: voyaka uh

However, the two engines set to increase traction, and not to increase reliability.

Thanks, Cap.

Quote: voyaka uh

If you noticed, the Boeing intercontinental airliners switched from 4 engines to two, and there were no more accidents. Just reliable engines.

How does this relate to the topic under discussion?

[weary]

can sit on one

In Israel, which is typical. But there is a reason: f15 yes, others not.

can sit on one. "Like the F-15 and others.

http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/03/t60542--takoe-vo
t-kino-posadka-f-15-na-odnom-kryle.html

[okko077]

You can eject without failure, and on many airplanes we have a landing exercise with 1 working engine for pilots of a certain qualification ......

[voyaka uh]

"there is a landing exercise with 1 engine running
for pilots of a certain qualification .. "///

Directly in the air turn off one engine and learn to sit down?
Wow ... aces

[okko077]

You are boring to the extreme, however, dummies like airplanes. They put one engine on MG and don’t use it ....

[faridg7]

Quote: voyaka uh

"there is a landing exercise with 1 engine running
for pilots of a certain qualification .. "///

Directly in the air turn off one engine and learn to sit down?
Wow ... aces

Well, these are standard exercises for cadets. They are performed in two versions: engine failure (it does not work, but rotates freely), and engine damage (motor shafts are jammed, the engine has maximum flow resistance)

[okko077]

Another storyteller. Well, laugh, well, you need to come up with this ....

[faridg7]

And what is the fairy tale (well, just INTERESTING)?

[okko077]

Any exercise for study and mistakes are possible ... Who will land a plane with 1 engine for study? The price of an error? .. Why turn off the engine, you just can not use it ....
In aviation, smart people think there too ... Aviation is the most prepared branch of the armed forces no offense to others, the test criteria are very tough - life .. Fall high ... There is more order than there is in nuclear power, for example ..
Here is the engine starting in the air with the shutdown, but there is a margin in height ....

[Arikkhab]

where is it ? most on 1 engine plant

[Ustin]

And the engines are here .. The journalist "said". The commission is working, they’ll sort it out. There are objective control materials, but they’re enough to write there. As practice usually shows, the error is "complex" - the "human factor and equipment". Well, the motors are most likely out of business here ...

[Bronevick]

And whose engines are that? 404?

[marshes]

As the brother said that after bailout compression injuries of the spine are possible, after two disabled people.
If you do not engage in sports, more menia is safe after 25 years, when the skeleton is strong.
I wish the cadet a quick recovery.

[Gransasso]

After the bailout-och a lot of problems .. not only injuries .. including with vision

[marshes]

Quote: Gransasso

After the bailout-och a lot of problems .. not only injuries .. including with vision

With vision mainly among pilots of naval aviation, retinal detachments are frequent cases, this brother told me, a graduate of the HVVAUL and also studied in the USA at the base where Navy pilots are trained.

[Gransasso]

As of September 16, 2017, five Yak-130s were lost:

Accidents and Disasters


June 26, 2006 the prototype Yak-130 crashed in the Ryazan region. Both pilots successfully ejected, no one was hurt. The cause of the disaster is called the failure of the control system.


On May 29, 2010 at 16:59 Moscow time, the pre-production Yak-130 (tail number 93) of the Lipetsk center for combat training and retraining of personnel crashed. The plane crashed during the take-off scheduled mission. The crew of two pilots ejected, their condition is satisfactory, there are no casualties and destruction on the ground.

April 15, 2014 at 17:50 Moscow time in the Astrakhan region, 25 km from the city of Akhtubinsk in the vicinity of the village of Bataevka, the serial Yak-130 belonging to the Borisoglebsky branch of the Air Force Research Center was crashed. The crew of two pilots ejected, one of the pilots (Air Force Lt. Col. Sergei Seregin) died. There are no victims and destructions on earth. The cause of the disaster is called the failure of the control system.


July 11, 2017 In the city of Chittagong in southeast Bangladesh, the Yak-130 combat trainer belonging to the country's air force crashed. Pilots ejected and were not injured in the incident.


On September 16, 2017, the Yak-130 combat trainer crashed. No harm done. The accident occurred while performing a training flight near the airfield. The crew decided to take the plane away from nearby buildings, and then eject.


Incidents without serious damage.

June 21, 2017 in the Voronezh region at the air base in Borisoglebsk during a training flight near the Yak-130 (tail number 43) the front landing gear did not come out. The pilot-instructor and cadet controlling the aircraft made a decision, having developed fuel, to land the aircraft only on two racks. Thanks to the professionalism of the pilots, the landing was almost perfect. Yak-130 received minimal damage. Pilots presented for state awards.


On June 21, 2017, in the Krasnodar Territory near the city of Armavir, a front chassis was not released near Yak-130 (tail number 55). This is the second daily failure of the hydraulic system. A cadet with an instructor was also present in the cockpit. The plane had to land on the fuselage in the field. According to the Deputy General Director of OKB. Yakovlev Roman Taskaev, we can’t talk about a serial defect.



4th accident in three months ...

[okko077]

Likbez for dummies: in 3 out of 5 cases, the cause of the disaster is not indicated, this is not information - this is an injection of amateur ... The chassis can be produced with emergency compressed air, do not take hydraulic systems here. This is a defect of the landing gear system itself .... But why did they make the CDS for cadets it is not clear ... It turns out that the Yak-130 is not a combat training aircraft for cadets, but a training aircraft for skilled pilots already ....

[Cook]

The CDS was made to simulate the features of the control systems of various aircraft, this is not possible on an analog system.

[okko077]

Another example of cleverness ... You read what nonsense they wrote: mechanical traction is your analog system. Prize for the best ... nonsense ...

[alone]

Quote: okko077

. It turns out that the YAK -130 is not a combat training aircraft for cadets, but a training aircraft already for skilled pilots ....

Can you then explain what a 5th-year cadet lost there, if the plane for increasing the calification is already for skilled pilots?
And what’s interesting is that how will the flyer upgrade his skills on the Yak-130 if he skillfully manages the Su-35?

[okko077]

There are no others, the cost of 1 hour of flight is different and the resource of a combat aircraft is not spent. It is so superficial for you ...

[alone]

Quote: okko077

There are no others, the cost of 1 hour of flight is different and the resource of a combat aircraft is not spent. It is so superficial for you ...

Oh yes ... thanks for the answer ... the answer was not superficial, but quite good ..

[flygerman]

Students of state examinations are handed over to them.

[flygerman]

Yak-130 easily imitates the drying. However, like other types of aircraft.

[nesvobodnye]

His father, who served as a technician, called the fighter “a pencil with a motor” for what he could not plan.
Sorry for the car.

[Retvizan 8]

Oops, Borisoglebsk! My second homeland! My relatives live there. As a child, spent every summer there! And at the airport was in the flight school!
It’s good that the pilots survived.

[senima56]

Something is wrong with these “YAK” s. Obviously, Italians were not in vain to get out of this project, which they initially developed together. And now, whatever the accident, the Yak-130!

[Arikkhab]

But the fact that the Italians produce these aircraft under the brand name Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master is nothing?

[okko077]

It’s not so simple. The VKS and the thoughtless practice of ordering new MO equipment as a whole are guilty in many ways ... The army should develop requirements for new models based on modern requirements, the upcoming nature of the war, its tactical and strategic developments ... Based on these requirements, it is formed order and the best of suitable offers is selected ... This is as it should be. How is it? We have monopolists everywhere, and they don’t want to work in the highest military echelons. They don’t develop tactics and strategies, they don’t study modern trends ... they don’t have a system ... They take what they are offered, and then they try to stick it somewhere .... They also compare them with foreign models. But they don’t understand why this is necessary ....
So the Yak-130 was developed on an initiative basis, it is a very advanced aircraft and it does not pull to the first stages of pilot training ...
An even more interesting example is the UAV example, the army does not understand at all that it should be part of integrated systems, or at least combat ligaments ... Otherwise, its use is no different from a regular toy ... and you can’t buy it ... We need the whole complex or the whole bundle .... We do not have such complexes at all, complexes operating in real time. Complexes which include weapons, which receive information in guidance systems in real time, including from UAVs .. .

[Whaler]

Quote: Vita VKO

Again the rear of the fuel-and-oil range. Hence the technical aspects in the work of technology. Moreover, cadets are also not a gift and love to gazanut out of the blue. Of course, the training is equipped with "protection from the fool" by default, but it seems time to already create "protection against morons."

It’s possible to dress up benz, solarium ... but what are you using for TS-1 ?! And the beginning of fuel, beginning warehouse, laboratory assistant and drove TK, and are eager to sit down heavily for 5 kopecks. )) LOL ... you don’t know the rear specifics ... from the word completely

[Whaler]

Both pilots are alive - this is the main thing ... they will deal with iron, I hope. As for the complaints and the 0th reaction (allegedly) of the manufacturer, this is purely spineless GK .... he is such a formidable "hero" in appearance, he will easily yell and be naughty at those who are shorter and less weight ... but when they call " from there ", instantly the position" what you deign "((

[jaroff]

Friends! What are we talking about? Like aviation all people. Until there are results of the commission, it makes no sense to mess up now, sorry for the rude word, our portal. Only the result of an accident investigation is entitled to a specific discussion. Before that, forgive me, there is no point. Moreover, everyone is alive.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Mik13

Quote: Vita VKO

Again, the rear of the fuel-and-oil range.

Come on! Unlike amphibians, in aviation the chief of a fuel and lubricant warehouse is not a warrant officer, but a captain. He has a higher education in the corresponding profile.
No one ever fuels fuel in aviation. It provides for a number of fairly stringent control procedures, which are very difficult to get around.
And most importantly - why? Who needs aviation kerosene? It is, in fact, only in jet engines and is used ...

I would also add that after each refueling the sludge merges and a sample is taken. And if that is the fault of the tankers, it will be proved. And .... prison.

[HEATHER]

The crash was caused by a malfunction in the engine of the aircraft. He can take off on one thing. It’s clear that it’s a dark matter. Who is covering for whom? They broke a cool car. What did the instructor do during the flight?

[Evil 55]

Each complex design has childhood diseases .. Over time, military operation will reveal everything and fix it .. The main thing is that people are alive.

[olegkrava]

ARPA will show what is closed, but there is another aspect. Gouging in the air, do not drop such an option.

[Rushnairfors]

I don’t know what the RF Ministry of Defense says there or informed sources, classmates say - loss of control, twisted aerobatics at low altitude, when entering a hill, the KSU completely refused. People in Barik serve them better I think.

[Rushnairfors]

They also said about tu22m3 on taxiing, then they got better when the photo on the internet appeared where even a near-by person understood that decomposing on taxiing was not real. The only thing nobody said was that the guys took off, although they could tell me no secret.

[faridg7]

okko077,
Did I write about turning off the engine? These modes are imitated and you need to be a complete schizo to get the cadet to cut down the engine before entering the glide path

[olegkrava]

What is the glide path in the zone?

[faridg7]

faridg7 1 Yesterday, 00:14 ↑
Quote: voyaka uh
"there is a landing exercise with 1 engine running
for pilots of a certain qualification .. "///

Directly in the air turn off one engine and learn to sit down?
Wow ... aces good

Well, these are standard exercises for cadets. They are performed in two versions: engine failure (it does not work, but rotates freely), and engine damage (motor shafts are jammed, the engine has maximum flow resistance)
faridg7

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okko077 Yesterday, 01:02 ↑
Another storyteller. Well, laugh, well, you need to come up with this ....
okko077
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faridg7 1 Yesterday, 01:05 ↑
And what is the fairy tale (well, just INTERESTING)?
faridg7
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okko077 Yesterday, 01:41 ↑
Any exercise for study and mistakes are possible ... Who will land a plane with 1 engine for study? The price of an error? .. Why turn off the engine, you just can not use it ....
In aviation, smart people think there too ... Aviation is the most prepared branch of the armed forces no offense to others, the test criteria are very tough - life .. Fall high ... There is more order than there is in nuclear power, for example ..
Here is the engine starting in the air with the shutdown, but there is a margin in height ....

here above, sorry, there was a little discussion, and the comments fly here for some reason