"China today has the opportunity to tear away our Siberian and Far Eastern regions"

US State Department officials are increasingly saying that after the large-scale withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, the foreign policy emphasis will be shifted to the rapidly developing Asia-Pacific region.

In fact, it is a war with China, but so far in foreign territories

Obviously, an increasing confrontation with China plays a significant role in this decision. However, it began much earlier. Moreover, competition between the US and the Celestial Empire takes place not only in the APR, but also in the Middle East and North Africa, including the invasion of Libya and attempts to subjugate Iran. This shows not only the desire to take control of a region rich in hydrocarbon resources, but also to get rid of the Chinese business presence. That is, in essence, this is a war with China, but so far in foreign territories. Another object, for the control of which the USA and China are fighting, is the region of Central Asia. Not everything worked out for Americans smoothly in Afghanistan. That is why they are now actively engaged in the implementation of post-Soviet Central Asia and Mongolia in order to resist China too.

But the most important region, where this rivalry will already take the format of direct military contact, is, of course, the Asia-Pacific region. Here, China and the United States have fundamental geopolitical differences. Beijing is in favor of a multipolar world, but it wants the APR to be unipolar, that is, it should be the space where China dominates. The Americans want to see a unipolar world, but, on the contrary, a multipolar Asia and the APR as a whole, just so that they themselves can powerfully be present in it. This fundamental divergence in geopolitical approaches and makes them compete from a military point of view.

Russia could propose to form an alliance of the Russian Federation, China, India and Iran

We see that China is expanding its military capabilities in this region. He, in particular, brings his fleet to this zone of the World Ocean, including an aircraft carrier and submarines, plus he develops Aviationthat could reach the farthest points in this region. In addition, Beijing is expanding the capabilities of the general reaction forces, including the landing force. The Americans, in turn, are building up their numerical presence there. It is no coincidence that the Air Force base in Australia has recently been deployed, and there is an increase in the military presence in the Strait of Malacca in order to control the canal supplying the Chinese economy with oil and liquefied gas. Finally, it should be borne in mind that today the battle for Japan is taking place simultaneously. The Americans are trying to keep it in their control zone, while China offers Tokyo an alternative. The fight between the US and China will only flare up. Compromises in this situation can only be a temporary truce.

Now, about what Russia can and should do in such a situation. Of course, we should stand on the side of the East and eastern civilization. And, in any case, do not work against China with the Americans. This should not be allowed, because China today has the opportunity to reject our Siberian and Far Eastern regions. We have practically no troops and population there. But China is interested in Russia being its ally in confronting America. Within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Russia could offer to form a serious alliance consisting of Russia, China, India and Iran. It would be a powerful continental block. Moreover, the Americans, along with the Europeans, have a similar bloc in the person of NATO. So Russia needs to create something similar.

Comments

[domokl]

In principle, I didn’t see anything new .. Again, fear of fast-growing China, again the call to join ... But the author turned down about territorial claims against Russia ... The Chinese didn’t quite go to a global war .. It’s enough to wait for Russia to will not be able to hold these territories due to lack of resources and just rent them or share ...

[Aleksey67]

How have we gotten such ANALYTIC articles due to which our Ukrainian "brothers" have the idea that Siberia will be Chinese. Subtracted on ukrosaytah I will not touch on the second myth that Russia "pays tribute" to Kadyrov, I am just too lazy to change beads before ... I don’t want to, but I will speak out about China. China has territorial problems with all border countries except Russia (thanks to Putin). They nah .. do not need our cold Siberia. Amers are trying to "knock their heads together" between Russia and China, but so far to no avail.
Remember when recently China attacked someone else? ...

PS Bustled "svidomye" minus I do not care

[Sibiryak]

Quote: Aleksey67

China has territorial problems with all the bordering countries except Russia (thanks to Putin).

I would put it, not a problem, but a claim! And from China to Russia, they are also available, they’re just not so loudly voiced and that’s it! Ksati one of the islands on the Amur River near Khabarovsk was transferred to China, I don’t remember the exact date, but the president at that time was GDP.

Quote: Aleksey67

They fucking ... don't need our cold Siberia.

In vain you, about the affiliation of Siberia and the Far East to China, this statement is very much cultivated among the population in this country, for example, ride to the Khabarovsk or Primorsky Krai, talk to local traders with narrow eyes and don’t shake their rights, so to speak, on the subject of poor quality clothes and something else, hear a lot of interesting things for yourself on this subject, believe me !!!

Quote: Aleksey67

Amers are trying to "knock their heads together" between Russia and China, but so far to no avail.

I agree!

Quote: Aleksey67

Remember when recently China attacked someone else?

Remember the comfleet on the Damansky Peninsula! Strangely enough, China tried to solve the problems with respect to the USSR by military means.

[kustarodinochka]

China still cannot return Taiwan. Where should it go north.

[predator]

"China today has the opportunity to tear away our Siberian and Far Eastern regions"
But Russia still has the opportunity to solve the demographic problems (overpopulation) of China within 40 minutes.

[Flight Recorder]

From man speaks the truth. Chrysanthemums of separate warheads can bloom in the sky of any state and, accordingly, drive any population into the Stone Age. But we must understand that the safety margin of this machine is running out.
In our current situation, it remains to rely on the wizard and here it is not clear whether this is Putin or the Americans.
Hai degradants.

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: predator

"China today has the opportunity to tear away our Siberian and Far Eastern regions"

THERE FOR THIS, I THINKED FOR A LONG TIME THROUGH THE ARTICLE MINUS, ARTICLE TITLE NAME ...

BUT THE ARTICLE IS FULLY ADEQUATE (INTERESTING, THAT THE AUTHOR THOUGHT THROUGH THE PROJECT THOUGHT) ...


PS TITLE AND PROJECT LOGICALLY CONTRADICT TO EACH OTHER ...

[443190]

Do not forget that they also have a nuclear missile potential. And not small.

[recitatorus]

About the island that Putin gave to China, first study the issue more closely, and then calculate how much it would cost to save it a year! Otherwise, someone might think that he just took and gave! ..

[Sibiryak]

Dear, if you approach the solution of any issue only from an economic point of view, at one fine moment you can say so without pants! With this approach, it can be said that entire regions and territories are inexpedient to maintain as part of Russia, not like some kind of island! But who benefited from this is a very big question!

[urzul]

If you look at that island on the map and photo of the island, you understand that it does not represent any value.
Moreover, being a disputed territory, it could not be used by one of the parties to the claims, and so the border was moved to Amur, as it goes along the rest of the border.
The swampy lowlands, especially since China has a road to it, but we do not.

[Sibiryak]

Dear urzul! It is very interesting to know, since when did this island become a disputed territory? Not since the nineties? In my opinion, that’s it! And secondly, since there is a road to it from the Chinese side, it means there is a certain value, but as always, we don’t for some reason, just don’t say that, as always, we didn’t have money for development at the time of such a decision!

[urzul]

The islands became controversial due to the long efforts of the Chinese side to change the Amur riverbed, which determines the line of the state border.
And this was not in the 90 years, but back in the days of the USSR.
Of course the value of 2 barracks. Have you seen the map?

[Sibiryak]

Quote: urzul

Have you seen the map?

Even if I had seen a detailed map of the island with territory adjoining to it, my opinion would have remained unchanged! From the military-strategic point of view expressed by most military experts, the transfer of this island was not even advisable!

[rumpeljschtizhen]

You know dear recitatorus with such an attitude, so the state lands will not be enough ........
and Putin has a policy of flirting with China .....

[Bat1stuta]

Quote: Sibiryak

Ksati one of the islands on the Amur River near Khabarovsk was transferred to China, I don’t remember the exact date, but the president at that time was GDP.

all the GDP did right. read why he did this. according to the old agreements, our borders passed along the river (I don't remember the name). but over the past years the river has "gone" to the north, that is, to our lands. if we pulled further, the next time even more land went to the Chinese. so we did everything right, especially since it looks like a sign of friendship. what is also a big plus

[Sibiryak]

Bat1stuta
Did you even understand what you wrote? Where did you see this so that the rivers, with leaps and bounds, change their course! You don’t even know the name of the river, but say that everything is right! And to find out the Chinese’s friendly attitude towards us, first go to the Far East, and only then say something!

[vadimus]

It’s not worth Russia and China to push their foreheads. Foreheads are strong and will not greet idiots ...

[revnagan]

Quote: Aleksey67

They fucking ... don't need our cold Siberia.

I will not minus it, according to Kadyrov, I think that those who say so are completely nonsense, But about Siberia ... After all, there were already options with Damansky, with the islands on the Amur. In the process, I remembered a joke:
a father with a young son is walking and they see the dogs are making "love".
The son asks the dad "What does the upper dog do with the lower one?"
Well, dad answers diplomatically, they say the lower dog relaxed, etc., in general, what is incomprehensible ...
And my son replied: "Yes, everything is clear, they will relax, they will have it."
Therefore, in relations with China it is impossible to relax.
As they say, be friends with the bear, and hold on to the ax ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: revnagan

I will not minus it, according to Kadyrov, I think that those who say so are completely nonsense, But about Siberia ... After all, there were already options with Damansky, with the islands on the Amur

Yes, minus, I do not drip from these stars About Damansky you seem to be out of topic, it was easier to give up and secure the borders. I am not breathing evenly towards Ukraine, and therefore I probably have such reactions to your country. Remember about. Serpentine which you gave to Romania, and there, unlike the Damansky shelf with gas
So "brothers" "wash yourself" and "do not lie down"

[Sibiryak]

Quote: Aleksey67

About Damansky You seem to be off topic, it was easier to give and fix the boundaries.

Dear Alexey! You yourself are in the subject, because of which the conflict arose, what was the reason and what happened later, what was the impetus for hostilities ???
And the next time, in another place, peace-loving neighbors will come and cut out about 50 people in the border territory again, will you again propose to even the border? !!! As they say break - do not build.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Sibiryak

You yourself are in the subject, because of which the conflict arose, what was the reason and what happened later, what was the impetus for hostilities ???

Yes, I am in the subject, and then the Chinese fell well from us. Modern realities require, as in judo, to bend a little, but not to break. Putin skillfully applies it.

[Sibiryak]

Quote: Aleksey67

Modern realities require, as in judo, to bend a little, but not to break.

The main thing is that in modern realities sciatica does not torture, so as not to stay in the "G" position, after the deflection! And secondly, we are not discussing Putin here, although I have a double attitude towards him, but the decisions made on the territorial issue!
And you never answered my questions!

[revnagan]

Quote: Aleksey67

Remember about. The serpentine that you gave to Romania

If you think in such categories, then you yourself gave up Ukraine yourself, and now you breathe unevenly on "nezalezhnist". Why didn't you come to EBN and say "what are you, alcoholic to .... l are doing?" ordinary Ukrainians "gave away" the Serpentine. By the way, O. Zmeiny remained the territory of Ukraine, but Europe definitely chopped off the shelf. But there is a plus, even stupid Benders have now seen the attitude of the European Union to Ukraine. Such an outright spit right into the mug of our rotten the president has brought many to his senses. But, as the proverb says "do not sue the rich ...".

[recitatorus]

China's capabilities are clearly exaggerated! If we discard all the husk in absolute numbers, then in real numbers, per capita, it will become clear that China, as it is not surprising, is weaker than Russia! And most importantly, it is so dependent on the global situation that its economy will not even drag out a small war, not like a war with Russia! And this is a war - total, to annihilation.

[Sibiryak]

recitatorus
Again, you are arguing only from an economic point of view! On the one hand, you are right, but there is a big "BUT"! If the entire Chinese economy collapses at one fine moment, then what do you think, 1 billion hungry people will be sitting there, and the switchmen, believe me, will find where to send this mass! Therefore, the likelihood of a conflict with China exists, but at the moment the truth is minimal.
And then the following may turn out, as my teacher used to say - "The Chinese are advancing in small detachments of 20-30 million," God forbid, of course, but how to contain such a mass does your economic theory explain ?!

[Shmel]

If they are hungry, how will they fight? They will die! 20-30 million need to arm! And in modern conditions of warfare, it’s also to be put on tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles at least ... And this is again money, at least even for the extraction of resources and energy (if you do not pay the salary of the "brother" to the Chinese under wartime conditions), necessary for the implementation of the technological process for the production of these weapons and even these weapons will not go without fuel. China does not have its own energy, and in the event of large-scale hostilities it will not, or it will quickly end, and this is a complete collapse ... You can’t fight a lot of Kalash alone, and again they need to be produced.
I believe that it is better for Russia that China clash its foreheads with all the major powers and small countries (India, the USA, Vietnam may be, etc.), it is better to take turns and that these wars would be protracted and exhausting. The United States is dreaming of the same thing about us. No one needs strong China!

[Andrew]

With this I completely agree. Russia does not need to enter into any alliances with China, let alone promise anything. They don’t really want to unite while they are not in danger. And while we are not dependent on China, we must stand back and learn from the mistakes of others.

[Churchill]

This hungry billion has been sitting there for 3 thousand years! So what?

[morpex]

Well, where do you write your Ukrainian brothers? After you wrote Alesha’s word with mockery and sarcasm, you’re not your brother to me and never have been. Thank God there are really brothers on this site. Smart and normal men. And thank God most of them .And you are more likely a Chinese brother. Kiss him and make friends. Sideways such an alliance will come out to you .....

[Aleksey67]

Quote: morpex

Well, where do you write your Ukrainian brothers? After you wrote Alesha’s word with mockery and sarcasm, you’re not your brother to me and never have been. Thank God there are really brothers on this site. Smart and normal men. And thank God most of them .And you are more likely a Chinese brother. Kiss him and make friends. Sideways such an alliance will come out to you .....

Valera, I’m not related to you So sit on the pope evenly. Ukraine has long been no longer Russia's sister. And do not refer to your close rulers, you yourself are to blame for everything. Climb into NATO, into the European Union and at the same time dig gas, beg for loans. It’s no longer funny, your politicians’ claims for the famine, for the dead (by the way, it’s better to address your beloved Mishiko). You, the under-state shattering all who help you, will remain in your shit. Ch12 will pass and see what you will stay with.
Russia in vain pays for Sevastopol. This is my opinion, but it would have been worthwhile to turn to international standards and restore justice.

[morpex]

You are naive Uncle Alyosha! Do you really think that ordinary people are tying gas in your words? What are loans going to ordinary people in your pocket? I’ll answer you this way: YOUR AND OUR rulers are tearing gas and getting loans. I don’t know the sharing relationship. And you give up your insulting tone and try pondering sensibly. How is it that gas belonging to Comrade Putin personally will be tying some kind of convict Yanukovych without his personal permission? Feet grow from Moscow. And you don’t have to dust here. Your government also spills this gas. there is a scapegoat - Ukraine. So how are you noodles hung and you and are pleased to once again humiliate fraternal narod.I

[Aleksey67]

Quote: morpex

You are naive Uncle Alyosha!

You naive boy Valerik! Ukraine has long outgrown the verge of a "goat" and is already in the rank of "goat". How much harm the ukry brought to Russia can not even be counted, in Georgia they made it up, in Chechnya they made it up and even with the cosmodrome in Brazil they made it right and then, according to the usual cunning Ukrainian habit, they did it to the fullest. The state enterprise transfers to the Russian budget from which pensions are paid and social programs are financed, so that "tyrya" from the state enterprise ukry get into the pocket of Russian pensioners.
Valera, the troll is your own independent media, and you will get a "shock" by bothering me

[morpex]

I won’t do it anymore. To pester Natsik is the same as writing against the wind. Be healthy and do not cough.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: morpex

I won’t do it anymore. To pester Natsik is the same as writing against the wind.

I don’t know your experience with the wind, but about Georgia, Chechnya and the Brazilian spaceport, what do you say? Or can you shock the globe of Ukraine only? Are you missing arguments?

And I am not a "nazik", but I just love Russia and hate its enemies

[morpex]

Here, I picked it open with a stick! Yes, calm down in the end! I don’t bother you anymore! I said it’s useless to argue with people like you. Instead of normal arguments, you don’t want to listen to insults and all sorts of nonsense. You better first figure out who was selling and selling weapons to the Chicham and then nod to the side as you put it "Goat" How is it in the Bible? Before pulling the speck out of your brother's eye, pull it out of your log ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: morpex

I’ve picked it up with a stick!

It was not necessary to climb in the ass with a toothpick or a log? Yes, and the arguments are zero, merge with the log in the pope, otherwise it stinks

[morpex]

Well, here you have shown your true face. Judging by the lexicon, selection of phrases, bright and colorful expressions, you are a very "smart" and most importantly knowledgeable "analyst"! And for some reason it seems to me that you are a person who does not have his own thoughts but gives arguments and facts from a computer. With this in a personal conversation after 5 minutes it becomes boring. Because with a person who has only one gyrus, it is always boring.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: morpex

And for some reason, it seems to me that you are a person who does not have his own thoughts and leads arguments and facts from a computer

Once again I ask about Georgia, Chechnya and the cosmodrome. Do you have a lot of thoughts of your own? So answer if you can, however Nenka put herself in shit so that even citizens do not want to answer for her "exploits"

[thatupac]

You are mistaken, dear. The Chinese, unlike the Caucasians, are quiet, inconspicuous. But their Lebensraum expand only in a way. In fact, they are expanding to the Far East and Siberia peacefully. And we lose to them. The Chinese government only promotes the relocation of the Chinese to the Far East. We cannot win the demographic war that China imposes on us. And I'm sure that soon we will be confronted with the fact that there will be more Chinese living in the Far East than the indigenous population.

[Gur]

I AGREE!!! Where is my sheet .. that would cover itself and slowly crawl towards the cemetery ..... China has so many green pieces of paper .. even paste over the minnow, they will buy everything from us right now .. for these candy wrappers. Once again, more realistically, this is a quiet expansion by China of the Far East. But the army and navy, as well as the violence, must be raised, bred, built so that any response to any supastat is any.

[Reddragon]

And the articles collected from the two previous ones begin to get me, in this case, these are the topics about: China joins Siberia and the Russian-Chinese Union. Would write a broad analysis and then shy

[Flight Recorder]

Has China ever attacked anyone?

[Dmitriy69]

Quote: domokl

The Chinese are not really to go to global war ..

It was far from always possible to rely on the adequacy of their politicians (and not only them). It’s not worth relaxing here.

Quote: domokl

Russia simply will not be able to hold these territories

I don’t want to find such times, and I think not only me.

[Regul]

Quote: domokl

The Chinese are not really to go to global war ..

I agree, not only that they have yet enemy number 1 is the Yusovtsy, and we are a potential ally.
But as far as the alliance is concerned, it seems to me that it is not very beneficial for us, if only because they will ask to place bases, something else, in the same Far Eastern territories, they will "squeeze out", so to speak, peacefully.

[Per se.]

Yes, give up, Regul, you have found an ally. China is the largest lender to the United States, while for China we are a raw materials appendage. Japan, before attacking the USA in 1941, set about expanding the empire, to increase its economic potential, do you think China will take a different path? The states overseas, covered by a powerful fleet, we have huge land borders, almost without protection, an endangered population, replaced by Chinese immigrants along the border. If we talk about the alliance, then this is primarily India, not China.

[Big lexey]

China has the largest army in the world (more than 3 million people), as well as the largest reserve - 360 million people. China is investing heavily in arming its own army. China needs Russia no more than a source of material resources, because on a global scale, it opposes itself only to the United States. China has a sovereign, absolutely pragmatic foreign policy. As long as we sell our resources to the Celestial Empire and own a significant nuclear arsenal, China will not even think about capturing our Far East. And therefore, we should rely only on ourselves: on our army, industry and people.
And I don’t even want to discuss the author’s nonsense about a possible union of China, Russia, India and Iran - all these countries have a lot of contradictions that will not allow them to become strategic allies.

[Neighbor]

We shut off oil to China - its entire economy will rise in one day at once.
As long as we have an I-club - the Chinese do not rock the boat. Now Americans must be put in place. And in this matter - the military Union - a thing quite promising and having the right to life.

[Brother Sarych]

Is Russia the main faucet for China? This is not so, China has long been concerned about this issue ...
And how do you plan to put the USA in its place - nothing will come loose?

[Neighbor]

Again the trolls frolic - they promoted everyone ......! It has long been necessary to make it clear - who gives you any grade - so you would know at least - who to blame! Who is boundless! Or the norm to enter estimates per day - 20 pieces for example. And then I left the first comment today - there are no answers - but it's already -2. Okay, then people came in - plus.

[Big lexey]

Are all comments for the "+" ?!
Can they remove the ratings, so at least they will comment in order to express a thought, and not get a plus to the virtual epaulettes?

[Neighbor]

Comments are certainly not for the sake of +. But the assessment reflects how much people agree / disagree with your opinion! It helps to understand whether a person is right or not. Everyone is mistaken in something. And without assessments - in general there will be a mess - you will not understand - who is who and whom to listen to - who is right. Whose information is correct. And who is nonsense. You can’t tell the same trolls! - and see from afar!
Estimates are needed. Again - they help to filter the bazaar! After all, voicing my thoughts - I am waiting - how people will react to this, whether they will understand me, whether I am right. Because I don’t know much either, and I could be wrong.
And if a person sees that his comment says -20 - an occasion to think! The signal is that in some ways I'm wrong!
I would add the opportunity - to remove my comments - even after a day / 2.
And it happens that you’ll stick something drunk, the trolls / dissent will get angry - then you read sober - you can be ashamed! - and do not remove it.

[ole]

The thought is generally sound especially when each other is praised and tipped.

[nycsson]

Quote: Neighbor

We shut off oil to China - its entire economy will rise in one day at once.
As long as we have an I-club - the Chinese do not rock the boat. Now Americans must be put in place. And in this matter - the military Union - a thing quite promising and having the right to life.

Well, yes, when you die of hunger, the club will not stop! But union is another matter!

[Neighbor]

What a union - it is about - to lease these lands to the Chinese. - type of joint development.
What does hunger have to do with it - sexual or what?
You don’t even think about what you are writing about! Sir!

[nycsson]

Quote: Neighbor

What a union - it is about - to lease these lands to the Chinese. - type of joint development.

And you won't get tired of driving them out of there later! You need to master them yourself!

Quote: Neighbor

What does hunger have to do with it - sexual or what?

Well, you offer them to shut off the oil!

Quote: Neighbor

You don’t even think about what you are writing about! Sir!

I comment on your thoughts, but what you write about, I do not know!

[recitatorus]

All interests of China are directed to the south, as well as to Africa! And this completely intersects with the interests of the Americans! Hence the whole fuss! Hence the boorish attempts to push Russia against China with their foreheads!

[khan21]

recitatorus,
Smart looks in all directions, but China can not be called stupid.

[Shmel]

Two bears are closely in the same den. And already three ....

[oper66]

resources and just rent them or share ...

Here is an interesting term "to use jointly" - he just finishes me, that as my wife we ​​will have with a neighbor together and in turn - stupidity and whim to what they are trying to teach us this phrase

[Neighbor]

I agree - resources (and land is a resource and natural wealth) - like cars, computers, should not have 2 owners. Like his wife - 2 husbands.
The country has 2 kings or president.
One will surely begin to become impudent - to pull the blanket over itself - to survive / rob the other and grab more. That is human nature. In vain you oper66 - minus - he is right. Especially when it comes to the Chinese. They will sit on the neck and put their legs down - just give them a finger - you won’t have time to blink.
Then recently I drove with a friend to the Chinese in a car service. Do the car. The Chinese looked - walked around her, asked the price so to speak - we ask how much - 25.000r. Says - still like - 30.000r - in the end - 40.000 bent!
They sent him. And there they have a whole workshop - about 100 Chinese people plow day and night.
Then a friend agreed with a Georgian for 9.000 to do everything!
An example just gave one.
We also have greenhouses - the Chinese also work there - but as long as they are on bird's rights - they can be kicked home at any time. One has only to formalize them - they will start to greyhound. Precedents were. Conflicts with the Russian population more than once.
Then they will only have to be kicked out of these lands by force. And you will be wrong - since we say the contract - for 10 years and it is not provided for in it, that the Chinese have become impudent and behave here - as if they had lived here all their lives and they are masters.

[Churchill]

When the shooting begins, the Chinese will disappear, primarily with the help of the local administration, otherwise the administration will be the next! Russians harness for a long time ... It's time to end with patience!

[Varnaga]

Honestly, having seen the headline, I worked harder, getting ready to see the next pearls of Ivashov's incompetence in tandem with Sivkov, however, Ivashov, without bothering himself with evidence at all, simply once again deigned to distort and shake the air.
Just a few points:
1) The issue of territorial claims has already been finally and irrevocably resolved by the relevant commissions on the part of the PRC, the Russian Federation and is fixed in the relevant agreements.
2) The main supplier of energy resources of China yavl. Middle East, and shipped by sea. In the event of a conflict with the United States, the American fleet will be able to block this channel without much difficulty (all tendencies to strengthen the United States in the ASEZ are just talking about this) and China simply will have no one else to rely on except for oil and gas pipelines belonging to Russia, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. Obviously, it is beneficial for China to maintain partnerships with these countries, because in a military conflict, this infrastructure will be severely damaged.
3) China, like any country, has its own military doctrine, according to which the possibility of a major armed conflict along the perimeter of the border with China being drawn into it is excluded. However, the possibility of using the armed forces to protect the integrity of the state (Taiwan) and defending disputed territories (the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh in southern Tibet, the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea and Diaoyu in the East China Sea) is allowed. It is obvious that the structure of the Armed Forces reflects the military doctrine and is formed depending on it, it is also obvious that the conflict with the Russian Federation clearly does not fit into it. I also note that recently an article was posted on VO about the use of nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation and the United States in relation to each other, where the author in the comments made an interesting assumption about the use of Russian nuclear weapons in relation to China, which will simply plunge it into the Stone Age with minimal effort.
4) The number of Chinese migrants in Russia is an order of magnitude lower than in the West and they are under the tight control of the FMS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. “If we talk about the development by the Chinese of the natural resources of Siberia and the Far East on a rotational basis, then it is beneficial to the Russian authorities, primarily due to the lack of a sufficient amount of local labor resources. In the case of detection of crime among Chinese migrants, the FMS and the Ministry of Internal Affairs send all those indirectly involved in it to their historical homeland.

[Brother Sarych]

About the control of the FMS and FSB - for a long time did not laugh like that! However, the rest is not very far gone ...

[Varnaga]

Well, laugh, Brother, but you don’t need much for this mind, like the proverb, dear?

[older]

Rough. Do you believe that about the control of our organs? So Sarych smiled, in my opinion it is justifiable .. We have Chinese wholesalers in the city, so these services appear there before the holidays to make gifts for themselves

[443190]

They do not control them ... They ROOF them.

[kustarodinochka]

another Casandra started up

[kPoJluK2008]

Siberia will never surrender to China!
It will be necessary - we’ll lie down here, but we won’t give up our native land!
The Far East is still possible .... But Siberia can never be taken without blood.

[domokl]

Dear, stop tearing the vest on your chest .. We will take care of it, but what's the use? How many of us are here in Siberia? It is clear that it will be easy to become a hero posthumously ... but it will be difficult for us to defend our homelands .. Lack of population and reserves the technique does not compensate .. It is necessary by any means to relocate people from the center to us .. And there are no such methods so far ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: domokl

The lack of population and reserves does not compensate for any equipment.

Therefore, the Chinese know that Russia will not stop using nuclear weapons, which means that there will be no China, and Russia will suffer minor losses

[443190]

Here are the ones .... We just slammed China ... So everything just turns out. Do not forget that they also have NUCLEAR WEAPONS and MUCH !!! And delivery vehicles are available.

[bubla5]

but we ourselves have chosen this power

[Big lexey]

I agree ... It’s not difficult to die for the Motherland, but to survive and defeat the enemy is our goal! We are already very few.

[Sibiryak]

Quote: domokl

And alas, there are no such methods yet ...

The main desire, and a little help from the state, as in the good old days! And everything will be tip-top!

[oper66]

When asked about the Kuril Islands, who is the smartest modern pro-Western politician who has thrown such a phrase together, which means the emergence of Japanese concessions with the establishment of Japanese laws for Japanese citizens, that is, in fact, this is not our land anymore, and so 50-50 are now being thrown into consciousness of this method to Siberia and the Long East

[does it]

(.It is necessary to relocate people from the center to us by any means .. But alas, no such methods yet ...); for this purpose it is necessary to restore order in the media in the literal sense to stop promoting all sorts of prostitutes and prostitutes, to stop fanning (in the media) oil and gas scandals, this distracts people from internal problems, and the problems of the Far East, it’s nothing to publicize Moscow as a capital he’ll lose, but on the contrary he’ll gain, well, you really look at the media such that besides Moscow and St. Petersburg there’s a few more cities that we don’t have any more, and Russia is a big mother, Russia has a rich layer of culture, but they’re trying to replace it with politics and poppies and other rubbish, the problem of the Far East is that they try to hush up about him, but rather, attract him through the media on the good side, and every day, and not after earthquakes and flight scandals, then people will go there

[танк]

I liked the statements of one humorous presenter on TV - "everyone got on the way to Russia, can you imagine what will happen to them if they go to Siberia"

[Big lexey]

Comedians say that "people will hawala" - they get money for it. It would be better to go to the shooting gallery, instead of watching all sorts of "Petrosyans" on a zombie

[танк]

master of sports in arm wrestling, 3rd place in the Championship of Russia, 5-time champion of the Kaliningrad region. A colonel was familiar with the colonel at the shooting range 10 years ago, poorly shot only with PM and with SVD did not find one target in the sight, by inexperience, with the rest of the weapon shot perfectly, even with RPG 7 and RPG 22, and what results do you respect?
But I agree with your first words

[Big lexey]

The adult category in rifle shooting was in the 4th grade of a secondary school.
Personnel Officer. During his service in the RF Armed Forces he shot a lot and well. For the entire time of passing the tests, he once received a score of 4 when performing an exercise from the PM. There were no other failures.

PS I am sorry if you took my entire post personally. There was no thought to offend you. But it is better not to watch the "Petrosyans", so as not to turn into "people hawking".

[танк]

This is a gum club, I rarely watch, Pavel Volya showed Russia on the map, if there is a sense of humor it turned out very funny and patriotic, I recommend watching

[Sibiryak]

Quote: kPoJluK2008

The Far East is still possible .... But Siberia can never be taken without blood.

If it will be necessary and everyone will fall there, and not only that, for sure!

[Ruswolf]

If you carefully look at our modernization of the army, including the transition to the pros, then we’ll definitely fall

[recitatorus]

What! We have not started the war yet, but you have already died !!! To capture Siberia, the Far East and Chukotka, even such an army as the Chinese with all its reserves will not be enough !!!

[AER_69]

Native to local Asians, but not Chinese and Russians for sure!

[saturn.mmm]

Aga Far East on the Ural Mountains. Not an inch. Children need to give birth and raise.

[Sarus]

China simply will not get to Siberia ... maximum to Chita ... And then their whole army will go to chase their relatives in big cities ..

[domokl]

What cities do you consider to be big? In Siberia, there are only two cities of a millionaire — Omsk and Novosibirsk .. The rest cannot be called large ... No. 00-500 of thousands of the population in the city and the same in the region ... Where are we going to take reserves?

[Slayer]

Quote: domokl

What cities do you consider to be big? In Siberia, there are only two cities of a millionaire — Omsk and Novosibirsk .. The rest cannot be called large ... No. 00-500 of thousands of the population in the city and the same in the region ... Where are we going to take reserves?

Krasnoyarsk yet

[Irkit]

I think he meant the Chinese big cities. (........)

[Sergey1512]

Ural will help !!!

[Slayer]

Quote: Sarus

China simply will not get to Siberia ... maximum to Chita ... And then their whole army will go to chase their relatives in big cities ..

If you kill a million Chinese a day, then the war will last 10 years))) The fact is that in the Far East we only have airbags in the form of inflatable tanks that seem real from the air, you need to put whole divisions of tornadoes on the border, and if you snoop up to arrange them dormitory there)

[recitatorus]

Firstly, not 10 years, but 4 years !!! And secondly, if we discard women, children and the elderly, then we will manage in a year!

[443190]

Even with a loss ratio of 1 to 10, after a year of fighting, we will need a supplier of human reserves. Will we recruit Hindus?

[Nickolay3145]

Our lands to China - yes from which ??? The situation will increase - deport all Chinese, without exception, from the country! And it would not hurt to deploy medium- and short-range missiles with respect to China - even if, as before, they are afraid of our missiles. And then they raised the ambition ...

[Big lexey]

Unfortunately, they also have rockets. Including medium range with nuclear weapons on board - which Russia does not have under an agreement with the United States.
The United States didn’t risk signing a treaty to reduce the RMND (they don’t reach other countries in the USA) except for their allies (but they seem to be within the rules), but the USSR found itself without such weapons in the face of countries- neighbors having this type of armament.

[Dmitriy69]

The alliance in the Russian Federation, China, India and Iran sounds strong, but I'm afraid it is practically impossible. Too many contradictions and mutual fears. But God himself ordered us to agitate actions to repulse the common enemy, so there are probably certain prospects.

[Ziksura]

The title of the article does not correlate with the topic discussed in it.
China is now in a difficult situation.
“As previously reported, the main event of the last APEC summit was the news that the United States has begun deploying its military contingent in Australia. The meaning of this action is obvious - Washington is taking measures to be able to exert pressure on China. the Pacific region has been declared a priority zone of American interests.
President Barack Obama also announced the formation of a new trade organization called the Pacific Partnership, which includes Australia, Brunei, Vietnam, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore. In fact, this structure is an alliance of countries concerned about China’s claims to energy-rich islands in the South China Sea.
There are no illusions about the nature of the new alliances that cut China off from the "big water" in Beijing. Following the agreement between the United States and Australia on the creation of a new military base, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said: “The expansion of the US military presence is inappropriate, and this will in no way serve the interests of the states of the region. The United States seeks to use its military power to influence events in Asia. ” And on December 7, Chinese President Hu Jintao, during a meeting with the country's top military leadership, ordered the representatives of the Chinese Navy "to accelerate modernization and to gather all forces to strengthen national security and prepare for war." Earlier, a representative of the National University of Defense, Major General Zhang Chaochong said that "in the event of an attack on Iran by the US-Israel coalition, the Chinese army will take measures to protect the ally, despite the possibility of starting the Third World War."
With such a rear and an adventure with Russia? And Russia is that "whipping boy" ????? The Chinese are not suicidal.

"But China is interested in Russia being its ally in opposing America. Within the framework of the same Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Russia could offer to form a serious alliance consisting of Russia, China, India and Iran. It would be a powerful continental bloc."
But this is sensible.

[recitatorus]

It’s good because it’s vital!

[Nickolay3145]

In my opinion, China is on its own mind. With India and Iran - yes, it’s quite feasible (India has concrete frictions with China, so it’s unlikely) ...

[Slayer]

Quote: Nickolay3145

With India and Iran - yes

India has a policy of rapprochement with the Americans, I do not think that they will yap against them)

[Volkhov]

Well, if the Kremlin rejected it, then the rest is a matter of time.

[Nickolay3145]

Ziksura, but not a fact ... China is more likely to make demands on our territories under the pretext that, they say, there is not enough zemlyatse to fully resist the Amers.

[Ziksura]

Quote: Nickolay3145

China is more likely to make demands on our territories under the pretext that, they say, there is not enough zemlyatse to fully repulse the amers.

2/3 of the territory of China is undeveloped.

[urzul]

And will not be, there are mountains and deserts

[Patriot]

Guys. And what does it surprise you so much? RUSSIA has been living for 20 years as if this region does not exist.
NOBODY DOES THE REGION! The only thing kremlyady do is pump oil from there. All normal people left there a long time ago. Well, apart from the oil industry, of course. Glory to Putin!


If many of the Muscovites have long decided for themselves that there is NO LIFE beyond the Moscow Ring Road, then even more so for the Urals.
Oh. Sorry. I almost forgot about the ATEC summit in Vladivostok.
Another construction of the century for a lot of money, wasted. There, as zhurnalyugi wrote, even at the university, SOMEONE LEARN!

[recitatorus]

You are right, but life will finally make you remember what is more important for Russia from the Moscow Ring Road or the Far East! In my opinion, the answer to this question, even for the last hemp, seems unambiguous!

[Ruswolf]

Especially if you withdraw interest, how much money is spent on repairs on the MKAD and on the entire road infrastructure of the Far East

[Ziksura]

Quote: recitatorus

life will finally make you remember that the main thing for Russia is the Moscow Ring Road or the Far East!

Will make. The authorities have already realized this. There is a gradual turn towards the regions. Because Moscow is rebelling, that the freebie is slowly ending i.e. money goes in the form of investments in the regions and they already have enough money for everyone.
"No matter how anyone says that the federal center, having started active modernization of the region at the beginning of this millennium, is gradually playing back, it is he and the largest companies with state participation that remain the main investors and will be them in the coming years. Thanks to large projects, such like the construction of the ESPO and the gas pipeline, the modernization of the Trans-Siberian and BAM, the commissioning of the Bureyskaya hydroelectric power station, the APEC summit in Vladivostok, etc., life in the district is boiling, and statistics consistently show the "progressive dynamics of development", "increasing the achieved rates", etc. ...

According to the data presented at the V Far Eastern International Economic Forum by the chairman of the board of the association of the inter-regional economic interaction of the subjects of the Federation “Far East and Transbaikalia”, the governor of the Amur Region Oleg KOZHEMYAKO, our region today looks very good against the background of Russia. The share of investments in GRP in our country is 43-47%, which is twice as much as the national average (21%). “At the same time, their main part, about 40%, goes to the implementation of infrastructure projects, ensuring long-term economic growth. In the Amur Region, 80% of investments are spent on infrastructure projects. ”

What will come of this will show time.

[Churchill]

But a shift in the face! And then it went wrong; everything is bad but nowhere worse ... Let's break through!

[Don]

Quote: Patriot

The only thing kremlyady do is pump oil from there.

This is where you found oil in the Far East? Only on Sakhalin is it. And the rest of the resources, tin, coal, gold, copper, etc. do not count? Does industry not count? Doesn’t the government care about the aircraft factory in Komsomolsk? And what nonsense is that normal people have all left? In your opinion, were they alone there?

[Nickolay3145]

Patriot, exhale, feel better right away. I’m sorry that yours did not win the election, but do not strain so ...

[Patriot]

And you, my friend, are sure that THAT YOU ARE THE WINNERS?
Yes, and I do not bother. And, just talking about how things are in reality.

[PabloMsk]

Fuck China, Siberia is not needed ... even we ourselves are not particularly interested in it, except for minerals.
We are pleased to develop the Siberian subsoil and sell the mined, which we have been living on for half a century ...
And the infrastructure is already falling apart before our eyes and no one wants to invest much in this cold region.

If what China needs, then these are the industrially developed regions of the Asia-Pacific region.
Only then (and then only maybe .....) Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

Why capture when everything can be safely bought ....

You do not capture a gas station with a gun in order to fill the tank ....
Or maybe you take a supermarket by storm in order to buy products ?!

So talking about global territorial conquests is utter nonsense.

[bubla5]

, the Chinese are in the United States 25%, and they occupy a leading position in some industries, and the Chinese love their homeland compared to the Russians, so this is the fifth column to be reckoned with

[yorik_gagarin]

Films will be removed from Hollywood at the right time about a terrible Chinese and on the basis of this, all these 25% are transplanted ..... there is democracy ...

[Nickolay3145]

Well, the Japanese weren’t particularly reckoned with during the Second World War ... They crammed vividly through the camps until the war ended.

bubla5, how did you find out that the Russians do not like their homeland?

[Ruswolf]

I will say for bubla5
When a strong young guy, instead of preparing to defend his homeland, agrees to register with a psychiatric hospital, that he does not have everything and not always at home, and sometimes he also urinates, what kind of love can be talked about.
And for one idiot there are ten sympathizers and so many approving of all ages

[jar0512rus]

I can only add that it is possible to cooperate with China, but not to conclude any agreements with them on suze and alliances, they still play only their own game and in the end only we will suffer !!! And the article is a little late and now, in principle, there can be no such alliance as the author sees, since there is already a triple alliance against China with the participation of India, this is the recently concluded and officially concluded alliance of the United States, India, Japan and Australia should soon join it and it turns out the so-called "Asian branch of the league of democracies" (the main fetish of Americans) !!!!

[Nickolay3145]

jar0512rus, absolutely agree

[swat2238]

Now - that in such a situation Russia can and should do. Of course, we should take the side of the East and eastern civilization. And, in any case, do not work against China with the Americans. This cannot be allowed in any way, because today China has the opportunity to tear away our Siberian and Far Eastern regions. We have practically no troops and population there. But China is interested in Russia being its ally in confronting America. Within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Russia could propose forming a serious alliance consisting of Russia, China, India and Iran. It would be a powerful continental bloc. Moreover, the Americans, together with the Europeans, have a similar bloc represented by NATO. So Russia needs to create something similar.

Such a block must be created as quickly as possible! Until we began to completely suffocate.

[jar0512rus]

If you look at the map and analyze all the concluded Alliances, unions, cooperation agreements, a disappointing picture opens up !!! We have almost missed all our chances of creating continental blocks !!! The last serious ally of India is already with the West on a short foot, serious cooperation agreements have been concluded, the aforementioned alliance !!! For them we are an arms donor !!! It's hard to trust China, especially after analyzing its duality in politics !!! Near us there are only islands that can be of purely territorial interest in the alliance! Serious seems only Belarusians !!! In the distant parts of Syria, partly Iran, which is still looking more at China, I would not have counted on South America !!! I'd like a real powerful alliance that will repulse any aggression, but as always you have to rely only on yourself !!!

[flukked]

I am more and more inclined not to read the "Opinion" section of this site at all. The level of yellowness and incorrect information is simply off scale.

[Aventurinka]

And I’ve been saying for a long time - the Chinese! Why do you need our Far East and Siberia with permafrost? Over in the USA, what territory and climate is also excellent ...

[Enjoy]

How did you get such "catchy" headlines !! The article develops the topic of the alliance between China and Russia, and the heading .. The heading contains all Ivashov and the like ANALitegi.

PPC They themselves had a carriage with the separatists; they lacked only a complete set of joy to increase relations with one of the two largest nuclear powers and an important supplier of resources.

[Nechai]

Quote: Slayer

if you poke your head in them there)

It is enough to raise from the archives the development of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, about the zones of continuous fire damage. Make the appropriate amendments and do real training. This will cool the ardor of hot heads to a loved one and generate a surge of friendliness. And trade will proceed on a more balanced basis. They are considered strong. Why should a weak person pay a fair price? Will begin to wander around and so we will take it. And under the close scrutiny of the "internal organs" should be their Chinatowns in our cities. It is necessary to seek, find and apply a variety of ways to "illuminate" the true situation and the tasks performed by the diaspora!

[master joker]

Let's think judiciously India and China are clear geopolitical rivals in this region)))) On the territory of Russia, China has many "territories" of its own, including the richest Siberia)))) And if you conclude something with Iran, then the sanctions imposed by the UN can to be on Russia ... Therefore, I believe that long-term alliances with the above countries are not foreseen, except for India and then in the trade and marketing sphere (defense, technology, etc.) But in any case, you must always keep good relations with these countries and during geopolitical confrontations, form coalitions both military and in world organizations: UN, IMF, etc. ......

[755962]

The alliance in the Russian Federation, China, India and Iran looks good. But the United States seems to be ahead and are trying to put together an anti-Chinese coalition in the region "American strategists openly make it clear to China that they are preparing for a military clash," writes The Independent. “They surround China with military bases and have already concluded a triple alliance with Japan and India, which Australia will join in the near future.”

[nycsson]

Quote: 755962

They surround China with military bases and have already concluded a triple alliance with Japan and India, which Australia will join in the near future. ”

Yes, Australia was in the forefront there !!! They still forgot about Indonesia !!!
I have already written here more than once that the United States, together with its supporters, is fighting for resources around the world .... and they will not stop at nothing, in the near future we will observe a number of events, or rather we are already observing .... because the question of survival is at stake !!!

[Cripple cross]

So Russia needs to create something similar.

It is necessary, BUT VERY carefully. China is on its wave. With the United States, everything has been clear for a very long time, and China has the appearance of a peaceful sheep, but the strength is already a tiger.

[master joker]

I absolutely agree with you - world politics and history teach us to be very careful and far-sighted! Especially with countries like China!

[crack key]

Russia was always alone and survived

[Kyrgyz]

If the article mentions the alliance of India with China, it does not matter with whom else it can be placed in the fantasy section.
As for claims to territories, China is easier and cheaper to implement them in the south in the north is the most difficult option, and in the 90s it was not easier

[Patriot]

Enjoy
How did you get such "catchy" headlines !! The article develops the topic of the alliance between China and Russia, and the heading .. The heading contains all Ivashov and the like ANALitegs.

PPC They themselves had a carriage with the separatists; they lacked only a complete set of joy to increase relations with one of the two largest nuclear powers and an important supplier of resources.


It seems to me that Ivashov’s competence is beyond the reach of Perdyukov and Putler with his entire team. The deeds of which everyone can observe with the naked eye!
And yet ... If you drip further, then even the fact that the kremlyady didn’t let Leonid Ivashov drop out even at the stage of filing an application with the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, already indicates that the puting and the company are afraid of him. For, the army and nationalists can really follow him.
Hello Putin!

[urzul]

Well, this is not ......... th (you can’t write it here) is not an unrivaled leader, he could not oppose the CEC except writing on its website.
Lenin and Stalin and not such could not stop.

[Patriot]

And what did you dislike about my message? Have Ivashov not been eliminated at the stage of filing an application with the All-Russian Central Executive Committee ???
SO IT WAS!

[nycsson]

Quote: urzul

Well, this is not ......... th (you can’t write it here) is not an unrivaled leader, he could not oppose the CEC except writing on its website.
Lenin and Stalin and not such could not stop.

He has the wrong opportunities, not like yours .......

[Don]

Hey, patriot, the so-called, can you remember Putin even in one comment? The actions of GDP are just very clearly visible, and positive.

[Vlaleks48]

Until a clear military-political doctrine of the Russian State is voiced. All rubbish about territorial claims from all sides will pour.
It is clear that to resist, we are incapable of the CPR’s armies in ordinary combat, so we must create a highly technological defensive shaft based on the most modern developments, including nuclear weapons.
But DOCTRINE should be! And she only needs to follow.
Then the "neighbors" will know what and where can come from.

[kustarodinochka]

There is probably some kind of military-political doctrine. It’s just not yet voicing it with your hands ...

[ole]

Quote: Vlaleks48

Until a clear military-political doctrine of the Russian State is voiced. All rubbish about territorial claims from all sides will pour.

Golden words, soon Liechtenstein and Luxembourg will be asked to value. And the doctrine is so fucking unnecessary for our leaders, it’s also easier to reform the Defense Ministry, close the sale, close, reduce, and then when we destroy to the ground we will build a new one from scratch.

[nycsson]

Quote: ole

Golden words, soon Liechtenstein and Luxembourg will be asked to value. And the doctrine is so fucking unnecessary for our leaders, it’s also easier to reform the Defense Ministry, close the sale, close, reduce, and then when we destroy to the ground we will build a new one from scratch.

Oh, how right you are !!! It’s as if evil rock weighs over us, at first we’ll destroy everything, and then we’ll build it with Stakhanov’s methods, if they give it of course, which I strongly doubt, not for that the West was ruining us to allow us to rise from our knees. ...

[khan21]

Vlaleks48,
If you have a "leaky" fence, your neighbor will always want to see what is behind him. And not always just for fun.

[Patriot]

WHAT? There is one so far.
SHARE AND OVER.
And also steal and destroy!
That's all the doctrine !!!

[DAGESTAN333]

China today has the opportunity to tear away our Siberian and Far Eastern regions.

- the Chinese! - Do not believe Ivashov! - when you have to settle in the Himalayas, with the remains of 30 million people, you still will not be able to understand why you lost to the Russians ...

[Churchill]

Bravo, Dagestan !!! At least one optimistic comment!

[Railways]

Something is not believed that the Chinese army, all three million will rush to the attack (exposing their rear lines, borders with other countries). Maybe a million and then vryatli will attack. China has enough of its FIFTH columns - Uyghurs, Tibet, Taiwan. And the same Chinese are easier to live in Russia, imagine the chances of an ordinary Chinese to achieve something in the homeland 1 among the population. And in Russia, the whole of Siberia and the Far East works, get citizenship, build a business, etc.

[saruman]

Siberia and the Far East are very difficult to capture. The geography of the region is to blame for everything. There is nowhere to turn around for tank armadas and the "MGM" Chinese land army. In the direction of China, by the way, on the contrary, therefore, any concentration of Soviet troops on their borders, the Chinese reasonably considered deadly. In this region there is a country rich in natural resources - Mongolia, which is much easier to conquer. Why isn't China capturing her?
Read the entire history of military clashes between Russia and China. The Chinese always outnumbered the Russians many times over, but for some reason, they always got a turnip, even when they thought they were winning (for example, in repeated attempts to seize the Albazin fortress). The Chinese are weak warriors. In the 20th century, the Japanese proved this, the Chinese were not even helped by the joint assistance of the USA and the USSR. But oddly enough, the Chinese fight very well among themselves.

So, until Russia itself surrenders Siberia and the Far East, no one can take it. But how not to take it, you need to seriously think about it.

[Railways]

I completely agree. Although of course our politicians may not ask the people.

[Patriot]

saruman
So, until Russia itself surrenders Siberia and the Far East, no one can take it. But how not to take it, you need to seriously think about it.


Tell. How can you not surrender with such a "supreme shit commander" ???

[saruman]

I don’t know. In this region, Russia (its supreme commanders-in-chief) surrendered several territories several times: Alaska, Fort Ross — during the tsarist times of the CER, Dalniy, Port Arthur — during the Soviet era, in order to make pleasant comrade. Mao. Although we could, for example, be located in Fort Ross, Port Arthur, Dalniy as the British in Gibraltar, Hong Kong, etc. On the CER, like the Americans on the Panama Canal.

I am glad that the Japanese in the Kuril Islands, were given a lapel-turn. Can the trend continue?

[nycsson]

Quote: saruman

I am glad that the Japanese in the Kuril Islands, were given a lapel-turn. Can the trend continue?

Where did you get it, but in my opinion the question is still open !!! maybe i missed something ???

[saruman]

Legally, Medvedev even closed the possibility of negotiating on this issue, by the way, they completely abandoned the Khrushchev Declaration. The Japanese did not close the issue for themselves, but significantly changed their tone, and even softened the legal term. The "Northern Territories" have now become not "occupied", but "illegally held".

But you are right, in our Fatherland one cannot be one hundred percent sure that then everything will not magically change.

[nycsson]

Quote: saruman

Legally, Medvedev even closed the possibility of negotiating on this issue, by the way, they completely abandoned the Khrushchev Declaration. The Japanese did not close the issue for themselves, but significantly changed their tone, and even softened the legal term. The "Northern Territories" have now become not "occupied", but "illegally held".

But you are right, in our Fatherland one cannot be one hundred percent sure that then everything will not magically change.

So is Medvedev, not Putin! Somewhere I read that Putin was already going to give them two out of four, but recently there was an article on this subject, there were more comments than abound !!!

[Don]

Quote: Patriot

Tell. How can you not surrender with such a "supreme shit commander"

Paranoid pancake. Nobody will donate anything. In the 90s they didn’t surrender when the full settlement was, and now even more so. Now the Russian Federation is an economically strong state. There is nuclear weapons, and they are rearming the army.

[welder]

neighbor, I'm sorry of course (well, others too), but worrying about the minuses to the comment is somehow childish ..... I personally have all these minuses and shoulder straps on the drum, otherwise it seems to me here on the first place the so-called STATUS or CHIN ... but every opinion has a place and the right to be

[Patriot]

People, read ... It's just a shame and betrayal.
I have no words. THANKS Dima and Vova. You are the real patriots and beneficiaries of Russia.
By their deeds, you will recognize them ...

http://warfiles.ru/show-4154-nato-v-rossiyu-dvigayutsya-medlenno-no-verno.html

[malera]

Quote: urzul

If you look at that island on the map and photo of the island, you understand that it does not represent any value.

And what other territories are of no value to you?

Quote: urzul

Swampy lowlands

In Holland they fight for every patch of land with the sea.

[nycsson]

Quote: malera

If you look at that island on the map and photo of the island, you understand that it does not represent any value.

Well, from the gentleman’s shoulder ......... He didn’t introduce them, it wasn’t for him to give them away! All this is done through a nationwide referendum! And not so, he wanted and gave!

[kosmos84]

If the war begins with the dummies on New Year's Eve when the whole country BUZHET. I don’t remember where I read it, but the invasion will begin at night under the pretext of protecting their citizens after the Russian (Tatar, Yakut. Dagestani or other native inhabitant will clean his Chinese face! I already wrote that the war will begin in the year 17

[ole]

Unfortunately, the population density in Siberia and the Far East is low on our part. nycsson, wrote that in Soviet times, good fortified areas were erected along the border with China, and today they are in a ruined state. It is impossible to sharply build up military forces and groups on the border with China, since this neighbor will immediately feel weakness. It is necessary to develop Guo and quiet glanders military power.

[nycsson]

Quote: ole

Unfortunately, the population density in Siberia and the Far East is low on our part. nycsson, wrote that in Soviet times, good fortified areas were erected along the border with China, and today they are in a ruined state. It is impossible to sharply build up military forces and groups on the border with China, since this neighbor will immediately feel weakness. It is necessary to develop Guo and quiet glanders military power.

Hi Hi! China underestimated - this is stupid! What our count on is not clear to me ...

[Swag]

how will it tear? whom? what are you talking about? do you live in the forest, if everything was so simple, wanted to break it, did not want not to break ...

[elfxnumx]

There is a naive view of our patriots' China, they mistakenly believe that there is a China-ASEAN confrontation ... yes, gentlemen, patriots -> patriots from the "country of not learned lessons" there is such an ASEAN bloc and it has its own interests, as well as LAG ... really, you were told that everywhere you just need to think about the USA, but oh well, after all, you haven't learned the lessons
Well, returning to our sheep, I recommend that you teach and first learn the lessons of how developed countries tore apart China into flesh before the 19th century ... besides, Russia was then a developed country (it became a third world country under the Communists) and participated in the sharing equally the rest ... What am I doing? Oh yes ... just remind the ignoramuses that many lands, for example Sakhalin (in Japanese it was also called the Land of Chinese people), Cupid and other lands were obtained that way. Yes, only the rest of the country that all that was taken away from the Chinese was returned and are in excellent relations with Beijing. I ask you a question - name the only country that still has not returned all the territories of China that were torn away from it until the 3th century ... the answer is simple - we are Russia ...
I’m not saying that it’s good or bad ... I just want to remind patriots that the Chinese remember this very well and in Chinese textbooks our territories are marked as former Chinese ... and so between the rest, the vast majority of the Chinese army is concentrated in close proximity to Russia. By the way, China has recently repaired all roads in the border areas, and for some reason, with emphasis on heavy machinery moving along these roads ... the absurd idea that this was done to transport goods will be believed only by the booby king of heaven, because It is easier for the main consumer in Russia to deliver goods by sea rather than take them by truck to Moscow, then it will become just gold

[saruman]

This is you dvoeshnik on history. Under communists (USSR), Russia was a superpower and the second economy of the world (before the leapfrog of shifts of general secretaries). Before the revolution, Russia was only one of the five developed countries.
Regarding the seizure of the "Chinese" territories of Siberia and the Far East. These territories were claimed by the Manchus - the steppe people, who had their own Qing dynasty in the formal capital of Nanking, the formal Chinese empire. But the Manchus could not settle there, since they are steppe dwellers. China's history was written by the Jesuits. Serious historians will tell you that it is very difficult to trust Chinese written sources, since there is a lot of mythology in them. It is like studying the history of the Middle East from the Bible. China was not a centralized state. Therefore, it was easily divided into spheres of influence by the Western powers, including Russia. But this was after the development and establishment of Russia's sovereignty over Siberia, the Far East and Alaska.

[Oleg0705]

What does 'bullshit' mean - dictionary. bullshit is false information.

As for China’s aggressive capture of everything he wants, let's recall that we are talking about the armed forces that have not fought with anyone for more than a quarter of a century, haven’t fought against an equal enemy for half a century, never in their millennia-long history did they wage prolonged hostilities with anyone far beyond the borders of the country.

[nycsson]

Quote: Patriot

People, read ... It's just a shame and betrayal.
I have no words. THANKS Dima and Vova. You are the real patriots and beneficiaries of Russia.
By their deeds, you will recognize them ...

http://warfiles.ru/show-4154-nato-v-rossiyu-dvigayutsya-medlenno-no-verno.html

Yes, I'll post it!

NATO to Russia: Moving slowly but surely
14.03.2012 21: 25 | careful

As everything is thought out, well, you can just learn.

On 7 on June 2007, the President of Russia signed federal law No. 99 “On ratification of the agreement between the states parties to the North Atlantic Treaty and other states participating in the Partnership for Peace program, on the status of the Forces of June 19 on 1995 and its Additional Protocol”

which means that:

. NATO forces are allowed to be present on the territory of the Russian Federation;
2. NATO forces are given the opportunity to conduct exercises on the territory of the Russian Federation;
3. Russia cannot execute the death sentence for any NATO military or civilian personnel;
4. Russia refuses all claims against any other country that is part of the NATO Alliance in case of damage to health or death of a person who is part of its Armed Forces during the performance of its official duties;
5. Russia permits the temporary import and export of official vehicles of NATO forces without levy of duties and fees for the provision of a certificate;
6. Russia permits NATO personnel to own and carry weapons, provided that they have the right to do so by virtue of orders issued to them;
7: NATO troops are exempted from complying with passport and visa regulations and immigration controls when entering or leaving the Russian Federation.

Now they will slowly drive in, and there they will not want to leave. They have a right. In accordance with the legislation of Russia.

[iulai]

I do not intuitively believe the cops and security officers, they have no decency or honor!

[serge]

Perhaps China has a desire to tear away our territories. But there is no possibility yet due to the presence of nuclear weapons. Desires do not always coincide with opportunities.

[saruman]

Moreover, China does not even have hypothetical parity with Russia.
Example: submarine 667BDR from the base in Velyuchinsk will launch its missiles along the eastern coast of China, where the Chinese agglomerations and major industrial areas are located. Guess what flight time? China as a state will be destroyed, and with all the tricks, it will not even be able to respond. China does not have enough nuclear weapons, there is no missile attack warning system. For Russia, a nuclear strike against China is practically safe, and for China, no matter how you throw it, one wedge.

[Sarus]

Something kind of dregs ...
I do not believe that this is the case ... Let's say there is a NATO base ... Their soldiers killed a civilian ... Yes, then this base will be. So such laws are some kind of nonsense .. You can minus but I think that this is not true

[choice]

I served on the Kazakh-Chinese border 93-95 already then our officers after joint meetings with their Chinese colleagues told us that as soon as all or most of the Russians leave or disappear in Kazakhstan, then he will become the next province of China, and there and then it will be seen .Because, Nazarbayev is trying to do everything, if only the Russians do not leave, respectively, and the Kazakhs do not disappear as a nation.

[Storm]

Let Russia better pay attention to this problem and stop yapping at Georgia. And then Georgia was defeated by all of us invincible!

[viruskvartirus]

Beat the inflammation in the brain to begin with ... our army with you is solid victory ...

[Magadan]

Quote: Aleksey67

Amers are trying to "knock their heads together" between Russia and China, but so far to no avail.
Remember when recently China attacked someone else?

I support! It’s complete nonsense that China can climb a war on us. So far, only NATO has climbed everywhere. China needs to be supported in every way, high is growing. The guys from the golden billion think of themselves as the highest race, it is time to punish them for pride. If they are geopolitically crowded out, then they will not be able to parasitize in other countries, otherwise they are used to living at the expense of colonies (in one form or another). Let them survive at the expense of their lands, in Europe, in the USA. In the meantime, they butted China, Russia should try to return Kosovo to the Serbs!

[Gavril]

You can not be friends against China, in any form, especially with the United States, because after all the words said, when everyone wants blood, guess who China will climb to? A huge landing floating on the ocean in the direction of the United States is fantastic and a 100% way to drown your soldiers.
You cannot be friends with China against the United States, because the latter is already showing signs of suffocation, and Europe is already saturated with Chinese goods, hence the decline in the Chinese economy, popular unrest, etc. but how to unite and make our own people close their eyes to what is happening in the country? Naturally, in the image of an external enemy, and in the absence of the United States, a "Russian barbarian with a bear on a lead" who lives in the primordially Chinese lands of Siberia will crawl out of the fog, more precisely.
We don’t take into account the atomic war, because after it it doesn’t matter what happens next, because the rest will not care about international relations, it’s sooo many years, well, if you don’t die at all (humanity)

[Swag]

All my life (47 years) I live on the border with China, in Khabarovsk, and all my life I hear horror stories about China, especially this has been cultivated for the last twenty years, I assure it crap, the locals absolutely understand and obvious it. Yes, we are few here, but it depends on geographical and climatic conditions, we have always been few here, so what? You just need to imagine what the Far East and Siberia are. You can still grow potatoes in the markets or in season (for the Chinese), but to occupy and hold is another matter. There are two roads, three bridges, the rest is impassable, the Stalingrad resort will appear. Well, as for the peaceful expansion, they were late, in the nineties they could have tried and even tried, but apparently it didn’t grow together. Yes, and they are worthless warriors.

[PabloMsk]

Quote: Swag

Paul

Swag :)

Yes, here is the forum (for the most part) of insane teenagers ....
Poorly educated, narrow-minded and didn’t go anywhere further than their garden ...

Tell them what, don’t tell ...
Morons.

[Gray-haired]

It is impossible so sharply. Once you communicate with them, you have not gone far.
They express their opinions, maybe they, on someone’s opinion are absurd, do not correspond to your opinion, but this is no reason to call someone indiscriminately.
Do not like it, go to the more worthy.
You yourself are a maximalist, and of course, the same age.
Nothing, they shout, they are cast out one above the other and, most importantly, they will ADULT.
And where do they grow up? In the gateway? Learning and learning is always difficult.

[PabloMsk]

Gray-haired,

Yes ... sometimes harsh.
But I educate my son so that he doesn’t say stupid things out loud, not understanding the essence of the matter.
First the brain, and only then the speech apparatus :)

[Patriot]

recitatorus (1)
You are right, but life will finally make you remember what is more important for Russia from the Moscow Ring Road or the Far East! In my opinion, the answer to this question, even for the last hemp, seems unambiguous!

And what do you think should happen to Russia and its people?
Must change HOW MINIMUM POWER!
And, in general, it seems that the current government has mothballed this region of our country. But, the question is: "FOR WHOM" ???
For China or the United States from the West ???

[PabloMsk]

The last time the Soviet Union invested colossal funds in these regions ...

The current government has a desire .... there are just no funds.
You can't invest like this, "right off the bat", for 30 years, and suddenly pull yourself out of the swamp by the hair, like in the Munthausen bar ....

Now we will gradually, to the best of our ability, stop the devastation.
God grant that by the time Khrushchev began to fall apart, we still had money to build new houses and distribute apartments to the population.

[saruman]

Totally agree with you. I have been in your area, or rather in Primorye. Vladivostok, Nakhodka, Artem. Was three years ago, lived for a month and a half. I asked locals about the "Chinese threat" and looked for "crowds" of Chinese. So there, even in the markets, there were few Chinese left, everyone was driven out. True, I saw a crowd of Chinese, but they were tourists. I saw crowds of American sailors from American warships that entered Vladivostok. By the way, half of the sailors are sailors and blacks. None of the locals are impressed.

People there see a big threat in local officials and criminals, the central government (Moscow) is very disliked. There is reason to think. There is no need to distract people with the mythical Chinese threat; order must be put in place.

[woman]

correctly said, it is necessary to fight not with the Chinese, but with our corrupt officials, law enforcement officers and the kreminal. And the yellow-faced will turn into law-abiding hardworking Russians.

[thatupac]

The Chinese are making us their demographics, buying up medium and small business under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party. So the officials here are the last link.

[mars6791]

China is a serious state, it has become at least. And hatred expressions lead to bewilderment. The assimilation of the Chinese in the Far East is huge, the economy is strong and growing, the sun is bigger and better. Russia is inferior to China in many respects. And politics is a game without rules, that is, there is a rule, who is stronger is right. Far East can be rejected even without starting a war, there are a lot of methods and names too. And China knows how to endure and wait.