The creator of the Soviet aircraft carriers will work on China

According to the blog Bmpd With reference to Chinese resources, Valery Babich, a developer and builder of Soviet aircraft carriers, moved from Ukraine to China and will now work at the Research Institute for Special Shipbuilding in Qingdao.

Valery Babich is an engineer-shipbuilder, until 1991 he worked as the head of the design bureau in the department of the chief designer of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant in Nikolaev on aircraft-carrying ships and the ground test complex of ship aviation THREAD.

A wide circle of readers and interested fleet known as author of books on stories domestic aircraft carriers (for example, "Our aircraft carriers" and "City of St. Nicholas and his aircraft carriers").

Babich also collaborated with the Chinese specialized naval magazine “Modern ships” (“Modern ships”), where he published more than 20 articles on the history of shipbuilding.

Comments

[salad]

Well, as they say, a good specialist will always come in handy! and in 404 nobody needs him.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: salat

Well, as they say, a good specialist will always come in handy!

- In China - worth its weight in gold! Fortunately, with the advent of the Caliber, the role of aircraft carriers, I think, will decrease very much. So such "specialists" will not do much harm to us.

[Vladimir16]

May God grant him health. 76 years old man. I had to go to hell with Easter cakes. And he could live in retirement at home. That's just the Nazis in Kiev are not able to provide retirees. Thanks to China.
Interestingly, he also voted for an independent Ukraine?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir16

And he could live in retirement at home.

And he could have come to Russia and taught our young shipbuilders ... but we are import substituting everything and everyone, without exception.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: NEXUS

but we import everything and everyone, without exception

The site heard a pseudo-patriotic gnash of teeth ...

[Vladimir16]

Quote: NEXUS

And he could have come to Russia and taught our young shipbuilders ... but we are import substituting everything and everyone, without exception. fool

Grandfather is 76 years old. He retired 16 years ago, in 2001 .. He received his education in Russia (at that time our country was called the USSR) There was no state called Ukraine. And who prevented him from coming to Russia after the collapse? And who drove him from Russia. Who drove them all in Ukraine from the USSR? They themselves decided that they feed the whole Union. All overnight became Ukrainians by nationality, even if you are an Uzbek - one hell crest. So don’t drive.

[vadsonen]

And who prevented him from coming to Russia after the collapse?

After the collapse of the Soviet Union in Russia, he would not have a job, as in the territory of U. And if he goes to China, then either there is no such work in Russia now, or they pay a penny.

[ProkletyiPirat]

The question is different, do you need specialists in his profile in the Russian Federation? And then our “aircraft carriers” are like Germany’s mouse, there is armor, and there is a gun, and there’s no “analogue to the world”, but to no avail ... So the PMSM did not have any good specialists in aircraft carriers in the USSR.
So it is not yet known whether he would be a good judge in the Russian Federation or not, and even if he is such a "super-duper specialist" and at the same time did not go to work in the Russian Federation, this is an indicator of his hostility towards the Russian Federation. Although everything happens in life, so it’s not for us to judge.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

The question is different, do you need specialists in his profile in the Russian Federation?

Do you think that this designer specializes only in aircraft carriers? I’m probably going to tell you this great secret Designer, this one is capable of designing not only aircraft carriers, but also any other warships.
He is a DESIGNER with vast experience building warships, and not just a specialist manager. These people are few a priori, and in NORMAL countries, they are worth their weight in gold.

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

So it’s not yet known whether he would be a good judge in the Russian Federation or not

Apparently the sense is more from you than to the country than from a person who is able to design ANY warship, regardless of displacement.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: NEXUS

From you, apparently the sense is more to the country

No need to shoot arrows, I can shoot them in you too

Quote: NEXUS

He is a DESIGNER with vast experience building warships,

The fact that he is a constructor agrees, I even agree about great experience, but I did not say that he is a poor constructor. I said that his knowledge and experience may be useless for the Russian Federation. For example, he was not the only one involved in the development of ships; the design bureaus remaining in the Russian Federation also have designers. If we talk about aircraft-carrying ships, then again the question arises of how productive were his creations and the creations of his subordinates. PMSM results are pretty disastrous.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

I said that his knowledge and experience may be useless for the Russian Federation.

Seriously? With 76 years and more than half of life in shipbuilding ... well, I don’t know ... Directly lost in conjecture and doubt.
This is from the same song as with the story about the resuscitation of the production of Swans (TU-160M2) .. specialists and designers were new dofig, but how it came to production, they took the 80-year-old grandfathers who created this strategist and sent to teach young designers who had an extremely rough understanding of all this.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: NEXUS

Seriously? At 76 years and more than half of life in shipbuilding ... well, I don’t know ..

Your sarcasm is not appropriate, in other design bureaus there are people no worse, or maybe better (not for me to judge, I am not familiar with them). Yes, and built ship instances cause only sadness. So I do not see a mega loss in the care of this specialist.

[Inok10]

The creator of the Soviet aircraft carriers will work on China

... is small bmpd ... and let me ask since when did the laurels of the creator of the aircraft carrier suddenly move to the Black Sea Shipyard? ... not an hour Nevsky Design Bureau is the author of the project ? ... the tantrum ended, regarding the person of Mr. Babich ... he is just a builder pr 11435 ... he didn’t design anything at all! ... level of factory design bureau - technological maps, together with the production and technical department! ... shame! ... read:

Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of 13.10.1978 instructed the USSR Ministry of Defense to issue TTZ to the ship pr.11435, and to the Ministry of Industry and Industry to develop preliminary designs and technical projects in 1979-1980. The construction of a series of ships according to pr.11435 was supposed to be carried out during 1981-1990. on the slipway "O" of the plant in Nikolaev. The chief designer of the project at the initial stage is O.P. Efimov, from the end of 1979 - V.F. Anikiev. The draft design was approved by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy S.G. Gorshkov in November 1979 (see sketch design 11435). At the beginning of 1980, Minister of Defense D.F.Ustinov signed a directive of the General Staff (N.V. Ogarkov, N.N. Amelko), which demanded that Pr.11435 be amended (see pr.11435 Ustinova-Amelko). The plan for 1981-1990, approved in March 1980, the design deadlines were postponed for two years, and construction - for 1986-1991. The draft contract for the construction of the lead ship of the shipyard in Nikolaev was received on March 14, 1980. In April 1980, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, S. G. Gorshkov, approved the TTZ for the NPBK to carry out design studies in order to implement the directive of the Minister of Defense on changing the project. On July 23, 1980, a decision was made by SMEs, MAPs, the Navy and the Air Force, by which the development of Project 11435, by order of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of 13.10.1978, was recognized as implemented. Source: http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-5.ht
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Quote: NEXUS

Do you think that this designer specializes only in aircraft carriers? I’m probably going to tell you this great secret Designer, this one is capable of designing not only aircraft carriers, but also any other warships.

... Andrei, hello and cuddle ... he only kept technical and working documentation for the construction, the so-called executive drawings ... he didn’t design anything, the author of the project is the Nevsky Design Bureau of Leningrad! ...

Quote: NEXUS

He is a DESIGNER with vast experience building warships, and not just a specialist manager. These people are few a priori, and in NORMAL countries, they are worth their weight in gold.

... who warmed up an ass in Nikolaev ... who left the post of head of department in 1991 ... only 25 years ago ...

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Vladimir16

So don’t drive.

Do you think grandfather asked to work in China or was he invited?

Quote: Vladimir16

He received his education in Russia

Which today is not something that aircraft carriers are not building, but even the BDKVD tried to buy in France ...

Quote: Vladimir16

And who prevented him from coming to Russia after the collapse?

Why was he needed here? To receive a beggarly pension and salary? This is clear to me and you that the Motherland needs specialists who can, if not create, transfer experience to the younger generation. And the government believes that it is more important to irrevocably invest the people's money in the SGA government bonds than to spend part of this money on a specialist, if only in order to preserve his experience from the wretched Chinese, who later claim that the new aircraft carrier is a purely Chinese invention.

Quote: Vladimir16

even if you are an Uzbek - one hell crest.

Here I agree with you. Switching to nationalities always explains everything ...

[Alexdark]

But in China there is no pension at all, not even a beggarly one. Yes, a specialist can and will earn. But these "pensions" are shoved around, populism is cheap and banal ... But I do not consider this person a traitor what, if I may call it that. Maybe I don’t know about his views, but on the face of one, he is not in Russia because we do not need such ships. Rather, they may be needed, but no one will build them. There are some plans there, in 2380. But he will not survive.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: AlexDARK

But in China there is no pension at all, even a beggarly one.

Who told you that? Or according to the principle - I’ll blurt out, and then let them understand it?
Moreover, a foreign specialist is not entitled to a pension, this is a priori, because Citizenship in China is impossible for foreigners to obtain.

Quote: AlexDARK

But these "pensions" shove around, populism is cheap and banal ...

Tell this to domestic pensioners who have to pay for housing and communal services, for medicine and then go to the market ... lick their lips on pineapples and hazel grouses.

Quote: AlexDARK

But I do not consider this person a traitor

I agree, he is absolutely not a traitor. Traitors are those who made it so that the homeland is not capable of retirement / ideology / force, and anything else, to keep their brains from "leaking" abroad.

Quote: AlexDARK

he is not in Russia because we do not need such ships.

Quote: AlexDARK

Rather, they may be needed, but no one will build them.

Quote: AlexDARK

Are there any plans there

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vladimir16

All overnight became Ukrainians by nationality, even if you are an Uzbek - one hell crest. So don’t drive.

Dear, chase now just you ... who needs more, him or us? We have combat shipbuilding in a deaf and very deep ASS! And then Ukrainians and Kazakhs? Or are you still not able to take off your patriotic glasses and take a sober look at what is going on with our combat shipbuilding? We are building corvettes for 10 years! They are not capable of giving birth to anything else from a frigate ... and the fact that the ship is not laying is so unfinished.
And you tell me about "do not drive" here broadcast?

[73bor]

Well, do not lie, this is what kind of corvette we have been building for 10 years? Only Grena and then for completely different reasons!

[NEXUS]

Quote: 73bor

Well, do not lie, this is what kind of corvette we have been building for 10 years?

Or maybe a little tenser then gyrus and fingers, but find ...
Corvette project 20380 "Perfect" - laid down 30.06.2006/20.07.2017/XNUMX, transferred to the fleet XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Questions, true lover?
We are building corvettes for 7-8 years ...! For such a period, the United States build destroyers and cruisers, however, as in the past, the USSR. For clarity, TARK Nakhimov (Kalinin) was built from scratch before the delivery of the fleet in 5 years!
Karakurt with a displacement of 800 tons, we are going to plan for 2 years!

Quote: ved_med12

TovarischSch "big general" -NEXUS. In your words, we have been building corvettes for ten years or more, due to the fact that in Russia we lack such people as the respected Valery Babich?

Not comrade little nerd ved_med12 not only because of this. And because the school of combat shipbuilding was safely buried. And the school of any shipbuilding, its basis is DESIGNERS.

Quote: ved_med12

It just turns out that in Russia there is no Babich !!!!

Just Russia, with the filing of such hochmachey, scattered designers. Notice, not by such wretched wise men as you, but by the people who created our ocean fleet.

[Inok10]

Quote: NEXUS

Corvette project 20380 "Perfect" - laid down 30.06.2006/20.07.2017/XNUMX, transferred to the fleet XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Questions, true lover?

... it’s a question for you JUST! ... for what cost the first contract was concluded and why it was renegotiated with an almost double cost increase ...

[In100gram]

Quote: NEXUS

Just Russia, with the filing of such hochmachey, scattered designers. Notice, not by such wretched wise men as you, but by the people who created our ocean fleet.

In Russia, there is a designer for aircraft carriers. The fish is looking where it’s deeper, but the man where it’s better. For us, it is not of great value, especially since the development is not his. He is a ship builder, i.e. project executor. Moreover, he is many years old (God grant him health and long life). For China, it is of some value. They will build aircraft carriers like the Varangian, or Liaoning. As a consultant - super acquisition. We are not going to return to this project. And why do we need a pensioner in the service of advanced developments (no matter how cynical it looks)? His merits are not small, but he made his choice. There is someone to think about our fleet besides us. Such a person, believe me, did not remain without attention and connections

[ved_med12]

TovarischSch "big general" -NEXUS. In your words, we have been building corvettes for ten years or more, due to the fact that in Russia we lack such people as the respected Valery Babich?
I, naive, thought that this was because our military-industrial complex and industry, after dashing 90 = x, are in the “fifth point” mode ... but it turns out that everything is simple.
It just turns out that in Russia there is no Babich !!!!
You are at least naive !!!!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: ved_med12

after dashing 90

Another ten years can be justified by the dashing 90s.

[verner1967]

Quote: Tibidokh

The site heard a pseudo-patriotic gnash of teeth ...

Quote: Vladimir16

And who prevented him from coming to Russia after the collapse? And who drove him from Russia.

yes right NEXUS it’s you who lit a pseudo-patriotic “well, the cow died from a neighbor, otherwise I don’t have it”. Looks like China needs such specialists more than Russia, if it was suggested that he couldn’t refuse his old age.

[Hierarch]

He needs to nurture daughters and sons ... And then nature rests on the children of Geniuses. And in the 404-yodin visa-free and loot for daddy ...

[Hierarch]

In addition, an aircraft carrier is not a unique product, the bearer of ideas of which can be one person. Like Korolev or Chelomei ....

[Setrac]

Quote: verner1967

Looks like China needs such specialists more than Russia

Specialists need young and promising.

[Topotun]

In vain you are so ... And here is import substitution? Most likely the payment option offered to him turned out to be VERY suitable. And China is building more than ours. Including aircraft carriers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Topotun

In vain you are so ... And here is import substitution? Most likely the payment option offered to him turned out to be VERY suitable.

No, not in vain, dear. The designer is a piece and very few. And when, under our nose, our partners, not the welder, not the slinger, but the designer, are taken away, I want to ask the question — Do we have so many designers with this experience that we just give them to the side?
So that my message finally comes to you, the Designer is the carrier and founder of the school, and not just a specialist. That is, China received not just a designer, but also his experience, and in the very near future, there will be formed its own school of aircraft carrier construction, taking into account its own achievements. And I will not be surprised at all if in 10 years our young engineers and designers will go to LEARN from the Chinese to design and build aircraft carriers.
I clearly conveyed to you my thought?

[ProkletyiPirat]

Well, they’ll go and learn. Well, or just buy an aircraft carrier from China. That is, if we ourselves are guaranteed to do it, we can’t do it for a number of reasons. But if in essence, then in order to have a "school for the construction of aircraft-carrying ships" they need to be BUILT and preferably CONSTANT, but we didn’t have anything like that, no, and we won’t expect it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Well, they’ll go and learn.

But will the Chinese want to learn that?

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Well, or just buy an aircraft carrier from China

Eliminate the ways ... for lords 10-15 ... and then you will scream about the excessive costs of the defense ...

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

But if in essence, then in order to have a "school for the construction of aircraft-carrying ships" they need to be BUILT and preferably CONSTANT, but we didn’t have anything like that, no, and we won’t expect it.

Dear, the construction of an aircraft carrier is, let’s say, the peak of skill in combat shipbuilding. At the same time, the product itself is not worth a penny ... But cruisers or destroyers, for starters, really need to be built ... and for this, an extra constructor with his vast experience would not be in the way.

[Setrac]

Quote: NEXUS

Dear, the construction of an aircraft carrier is, let’s say, the peak of skill in combat shipbuilding.

You are absolutely wrong. Pilots on an aircraft carrier are the peak of skill, and the aircraft carrier itself is simply a large barge with a flat, solid deck.
Missile ships are much more complex and advanced aircraft carriers - this is where the apophiosis of military power.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Setrac

You are absolutely wrong. Pilots on an aircraft carrier are the peak of skill, and the aircraft carrier itself is simply a large barge with a flat, solid deck.

A TARK is a heavy aircraft carrier cruiser, and not a barge, dear. And stuffed not only with an air wing, but also with strike and defensive systems, including missile systems, which the Project 1143 ships were.

[Setrac]

Quote: NEXUS

A TARK is a heavy aircraft carrier cruiser, and not a barge, dear.

TARK - the mistake of youth, a failed bastard, an attempt to cross a snake and a hedgehog, a jerky rocket ship and an even more jerky aircraft carrier.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

But if in essence, then in order to have a "school for the construction of aircraft-carrying ships" they need to be BUILT and preferably CONSTANT, but we didn’t have anything like that, no, and we won’t expect it.

Dear, the construction of an aircraft carrier is, let’s say, the peak of skill in combat shipbuilding.

Thank you dear captain for obviousness, and now please tell me the long-term and numerous generations of aircraft carriers of the USSR / RF that this very "school" created. Say the United States has a bastard of experience ranging from Yorktown and Independence to Nimitz and Ford. And what did our "school" build there?

[ved_med12]

You keep on surprising me, judging by your words, there are no aircraft carriers in Russia, just because there are no designers ... In (in) Ukraine, there was such a designer ... so what? did they show an aircraft carrier?

[NEXUS]

Quote: ved_med12

You all continue to amaze me, judging by your words, there are no aircraft carriers in Russia,

Estimate, no! Or didn’t they tell you? Apparently you don’t know how the aircraft carrier differs from the TARK. Yes and why. It’s better to crow something clever here, type

Quote: ved_med12

In (in) Ukraine there was such a constructor ... so what? did they show an aircraft carrier?

And it’s kind of like going smart ...

[Setrac]

Quote: NEXUS

What is the difference between an aircraft carrier and a TARK

the name ???

[NEXUS]

Quote: Setrac

the name ???

Question-Does the aircraft carrier have strike and defensive missile weapons?

[Setrac]

Quote: NEXUS

Question-Does the aircraft carrier have strike and defensive missile weapons?

Of course there is, you suspend rockets under the wings of your planes and go ahead for orders. Otherwise, what for it is needed on an aircraft carrier?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Setrac

Of course there is, you suspend rockets under the wings of your planes and go ahead for orders. Otherwise, what for it is needed on an aircraft carrier?

I have no more questions.

[ved_med12]

Oh beautiful! Bravo! Sit FIVE !!!! When there is nothing to say, stupidly, like the last Troll (I have put it mildly), he divided my proposal into components and began to scoff. SUPER! but in essence of my words, the answer is "ZERO" !!!
although SUCH like you don’t notice the essence ... Either it’s so convenient or they don’t have a mind! That's all ...

[Topotun]

Sorry, but your idea is not entirely true. The design school of Ukraine has left our common Soviet school. And given that over the past 20-odd years, the Design Bureau of Ukraine will say this - there has not been a coup in the design world, do not clutch at all. As far as I know, our aircraft carriers of the cruiser (more precisely, one of ours and one of India) completed and modernized our design bureaus. Further, I don’t know what exactly this person designed and to what extent, but given his age, it’s better to give way to his young constructors. And for this we need to "just" begin to build their own similar vessels. So the question is not who will build it. There will be a need - the opportunity will be realized. And the question is whether we will build at all, when and what kind of shisha.

[Overlock]

that's just the Indians aircraft carrier without Nikolaev shipbuilders could not build, this is a fact. In the USSR there was a division of labor: Severodvinsk — nuclear submarine, Nikolaev — surface ships. Only on one ChSZ 30% of surface ships of the USSR were built. That's the whole thing. And in Nikolaev there are 3 of them.

[VadimSt]

Quote: Topotun

Most likely the payment option offered to him turned out to be VERY suitable.

Grandfather already has a bunch of grandchildren, everyone needs to be fed!

[antivirus]

what to teach the heirs of MSH and EBN?
Is it necessary to "teach"?

[verner1967]

Quote: Vladimir16

That's just the Nazis in Kiev are not able to provide retirees.

I would be more pleased not that he left Ukraine, but if he had left for Russia. And just a reason to be upset.

[hrych]

Of course, Kuznetsov is morally obsolete, and the Chinese should not get used to copying junk.

[Arzoo]

So yes. But different Wahhabis to cool a thing is very useful.

[Overlock]

in vain you took it so in quotation marks. He is special, I must admit it

[arnulla]

As it turned out, we do not really need it ...

[forester]

Quote: salat

Well, as they say, a good specialist will always come in handy! and in 404 nobody needs him.

He will not go there alone or go — the Chinese have carried out a whole special operation to transport engineers from 404. The cross-eyed dozens of hectares were plowed up for the construction of an entire science city for specialists and their families from Yuzhmash Motorsich Antonov with full infrastructure, while ours missed or regretted

[Tibidokh]

Quote: forester

our blinked or dough regretted

Ours did not even have time to blink.
In the city of Dalian there is a certain company headed by a citizen of Singapore, an ethnic Chinese. The company imports technology from the Russian Federation. And Russian students help her with this for 2000 yuan per month.
Any technology that is potentially useful for China is seized with such an iron grip that sooner or later they get what they need. Fortunately, the brains in our country are better developed than wages.

[Okolotochny]

In the city of Dalian

Former Dalny, a suburb of Port Arthur. By the way, yes, the city is closed. It was like a transfer for a Russian military cemetery in Port Arthur. So the Chinese told reporters to shoot the cemetery, but from those angles where there is no city and port.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Okolotochny

By the way, yes, the city is closed

Open. I graduated from university there.
History.
We went with a friend on vacation at the trading port, searched for Russian trawlers / bulk carriers, offering the Russian crew assistance in purchasing various goods, from SIM cards to freezing equipment. Met a drunken sailor, asked - what kind of watercraft, where did they land? The sailor pointed to the side where we had not "climbed" yet. We went directly, ran into a mesh fence that went right into the sea. And what kind of fence is there for Russian students? We climbed over and went to ask the astonished Chinese where the Russian BMRT stands here. The Chinese, by the way, were really surprised at our presence, shook their heads at questions. After about five minutes we were caught up by six people in military uniform with weapons, and told to follow them. It turned out that we went where we did not need ... Indeed, we look, but around there are only gray boats and a bunch of sheathed cargo on the piers. However, we were simply taken out through the checkpoint and released.
PS: I saw our "Varangian", still rusty, before starting work. My heart bleeds ...

Quote: Okolotochny

shoot cemetery

Port Arthur, Liu Shun ... The cemetery was in terrible condition. Many graves had traces of abuse.

Quote: Okolotochny

from those angles where there is no city and port.

I just realized ... You mean that LiShun is a closed city, not Dalian.

[Okolotochny]

Thank you for the clarification So I misunderstood what was said in the program. My father urgently served in Port Arthur, just at the time of his transfer to the Chinese.

[ProkletyiPirat]

I doubt that our people wanted it, and even more so they could crank it up in the conditions of Ukrainian propaganda ...

[Overlock]

I read somewhere that the Chinese exported half of Yuzhmash

[tomket]

Quote: salat

and in 404 nobody needs him.

Apparently we do not really need it either. He or all specialists in this direction.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: salat

Well, as they say, a good specialist will always come in handy! and in 404 nobody needs him.

If you were needed in Russia, do you think you would not have moved to it?

[Normal ok]

Quote: salat

Well, as they say, a good specialist will always come in handy! and in 404 nobody needs him.

Well, not him to go to Russia

[iouris]

There were no Soviet aircraft carriers.

[alibabaewitch.vasilij2018]

..... ... !!!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: alibabaewitch.vasilij2018

..... ... !!!

Let me disagree with you ...
By the way, Qingdao has great breweries and a great climate.

[svp67]

developer and builder of Soviet aircraft carriers Valery Babich

That the BUILDER, so I have no doubt, but how much is he the DEVELOPER? There are doubts ... The projects were strangers.

[andr327]

and if a builder, then familiar with technology. A lot of things can be drawn on paper; turning it into iron is already a problem.

[Thrall]

The lead developer was the Nevsky Design Bureau.
PS The photo in the article is a low-quality photoshop taken from a wiki.

[bouncyhunter]

A competent builder on a competent project will always build. Question: where to get a competent designer?

[cniza]

Well, China picks up everything that is possible.

[bouncyhunter]

Not really, Victor: just what you need.

[cniza]

So I'm talking about, though a builder, but necessary and with experience.

[tol100v]

Quote: svp67

There are doubts ..

There is not even a doubt. He is a shipbuilder, and no more. Where is the theory of everything else?

[Dead duck]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: svp67

There are doubts ..

There is not even a doubt. He is a shipbuilder, and no more. Where is the theory of everything else?

And they need it ?! (To the Chinese) ... they already have everything and are successfully building it and will build it.

[Altona]

The man is already 76 years old, it is unlikely that his knowledge as an engineer will be enough, productivity at this age is small. Most likely will be a consultant in the design of new ships.

[igorj 51]

Most likely will be a consultant in the design of new ships.

And that already means a lot. And it will help the Chinese comrades to avoid many mistakes. I hope so. And they already have their own specialist developers.

[tol100v]

Quote: Altona

The man is already 76 years old, it is unlikely that his knowledge as an engineer will be enough

There is a lot of knowledge and engineering "influx", and it is very unfortunate that THIS influx is going nowhere!

[Mountain shooter]

Well, lucky man. Attached. And so it would rummage around in garbage cans ...

[Altona]

Quote: igorj 51

And that already means a lot. And it will help the Chinese comrades to avoid many mistakes. I hope so.

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It depends on which concept the Chinese comrades will implement. Ejection launch, for example instead of a springboard. The Chinese comrades, it seems to me, desperately need catapults and aerofinisher, it’s for these nodes that the specialists are. And they themselves already have to do large vessels themselves. At the naval parade, I looked at their destroyer, which, like a bull, a sheep covered our MRK and frigate. They themselves can do a lot.

[hrych]

Quote: Altona

which like a bull to a sheep covered our MRK and frigate. They themselves can do a lot.

True RTOs are not an order of magnitude, but an order of magnitude greater than their destroyer in strike capabilities, thanks to the satellite constellation and Caliber. And the Atomic Cruiser Peter the Great covered their destroyer, like a hippo elephant See impact capabilities, not sizes. The Americans went there battleships such as New Jersey, but the good of them ... What destroyers do they have, Izhdis, or Tomahawk? The forehead is wide, but the brain is small.
And here is a video example of a battle of sheep and beef to understand the ratio of impact power and size

[Mimoprohodil]

Their destroyers that have Idzhis

Not Aegis, but a copy of S-300F missiles is better than MANPADS

Ali Tomahawk?

There is

[hrych]

RTOs are striking with a strategic missile and actually RCC from a distance that does not require entering the enemy’s air defense zone, and it itself can and should be protected by its air defense. This is the main feature and the revolutionary-quality leap in the application of near-field vessels, thanks to satellites and advanced technologies. What kind of Chinese are there, Americans are hooked.

Quote: Mimoprohodil

but a copy of the S-300F missiles

He will not need it very much, there are no anti-missile capabilities, and he cannot work on supersonic, low-flying RCC. The caliber in the form of anti-ship missiles, at the final stage switches to supersonic and when it jumps out of the horizon (becomes the visible radar of the destroyer), there is no time to say “Pukhao”, not to intercept it. Yes, and not a copy of the S-300, but rather a dummy ... to understand the original GOS algorithms of the original is almost impossible.

Quote: Mimoprohodil

There is

There can be no analogue Tomahawk for there is no global satellite constellation, like GPS and GLONASS, which are available only in two countries. Why the Pomegranate at which base the Caliber did not advance far until in 2015 all the satellites of the system were brought out. Please export Caliber, but induce it with all sorts of rubbish. For satellites are not included in the goods

Quote: Mimoprohodil

There is

Therefore, no.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: hrych

There can be no analogue Tomahawk for there is no global satellite constellation, like GPS and GLONASS, which are available only in two countries.

What do you mean? The Chinese are already doing the full Baydou satellite navigation system, 21 satellites are already in orbit.

Why the Pomegranate at which base the Caliber did not advance far until in 2015 all the satellites of the system were brought out.

It’s just that in 2015 they used Caliber in Syria and it’s a lot of PR. Anyway, the first Caliber carrier appeared in 2012. Here's the news, for example, for 2012

said the commander of the Caspian Flotilla, Rear Admiral Sergey Alekminsky.
“The test results are positive,” the commander of the flotilla said. “The ship is not bad, with modern fillings. It is currently the most powerful ship in the arsenal of the Russian fleet. It has a missile system, the range of which is 375 km for surface targets and for coastal targets - up to 2 km. There are no more such complexes with powerful missile weapons in Russia, only in submarines. "

[voyaka uh]

"The Chinese comrades, I think, desperately need catapults and aerofinisher," ///
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They made an active catapult on land. And on it constantly
are training. With a catapult, aircraft carriers will be from the third (he’s already
laid), or from the fourth to the sixth.

[without reverse]

he has a homeland, not where the soul is comfortable .. but where the ass is warm.

[Scalpel]

Everyone has a different soul. Maybe he liked China.

[Overlock]

those. do you think he should give up a calm and creative life in
benefit dumps Ukraine? Refuse a decent salary in favor of poverty? are you ready to do this yourself?

[irazum]

All this is sad, the man wrote books, and no one could offer him the real business with us. But we have a "Trampoline Man" URAAAA !!!!

[Atlant-1164]

brain drain from a brainless country.

[Masya masya]

The fish is looking where it’s deeper, but the man is where it’s better ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: Masya Masya

The fish is looking where it’s deeper, but the man is where it’s better ...

Only Russians alone are not like people

[Masya masya]

Quote: Deadush

Only Russians alone are not like people

And if you recall how many brains flowed away ... Thank God, it seems now they are returning little by little ...

[Scalpel]

No, they are still leaking. Especially those who do not work for the defense industry.

[Solomon Kane]

That's just a shame - the brain drain, but the crap remains ...

[Masya masya]

Quote: Solomon Kane

That's just a shame - the brain drain, but the crap remains ...

as Zadornov says ... "That energy would be for the good of the Motherland ..."

[Solomon Kane]

Marish! Nonsense is cheaper, and easier to maintain, no complaints., So to speak ...

[himRa]

Quote: Masya Masya

as Zadornov says ... "That energy would be for the good of the Motherland ..."

The first thought that this phrase was not spoken by Zadornov Raikin, not ... not not a son but a father
But in any case, it does not hurt to remind his satirist ... echoes today relevant!

And on the topic: everything tends to end and if the experience is not in demand then it degenerates .... there is no regret that, grandfather, migrated to China, his experience is vryat useful to them but they just respect the old people ....

[Dead duck]

Well, the outflow process is natural ... especially if through physiological holes ...
another thing is not for everything. although for others, even the evaporation process “disappears”.
the main thing would be what
ps but they say that the brain generally happens at the "fifth point" ... I wonder how it is there ... flows out or is deformed

[Solomon Kane]

physiological holes ..

.. .. I remembered about technological ones, for draining or forced bleeding of technical fluids ......

although in others, even the evaporation process "disappears"

called brain dehydration, the chemical vaporization method of gray matter. (C2H5OH) ..

[Dead duck]

Quote: Solomon Kane

called brain dehydration, the chemical vaporization method of gray matter. (С2Н5ОН)

it’s difficult for them, everything is simpler for them - liquefaction and natural evaporation (even at room temperature) and evaporation through the ear holes.
and after C2H5ON, drying sooner occurs and the transition to a powdery substance with subsequent precipitation through all sorts of holes (especially after sneezing).

[Overlock]

and how many Russians left for the EU and the States? At Baumanka, American graduates have long been tracking

[Tusv]

2-4 Mulien specialists to us, Mulien specialists to China. You look Maidan will die out by itself.

[Olegovi4]

well done chinese. lure cool specialists. I think that and not expensive (for them). we accordingly lose, but we could also lure ourselves. eh ...

[Looking for]

Someone writes about the brain drain. What brains are 76 years old !!!!

[YakimovSS]

Tolley is a matter of modern generation. It shines with brains!
The 76 main experience. And some with the same brains will give odds to many "what brains?"

[Alex Justice]

Quote: Seeker

Someone writes about the brain drain. What brains are 76 years old !!!!

Yes, and learn Chinese late, life is not enough

[Altona]

Quote: hrych

True RTOs are not an order of magnitude, but an order of magnitude greater than their destroyer in strike capabilities, thanks to the satellite constellation and Caliber.

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It was about the displacement and construction of large ship hulls and power plants for them, and as a consequence of the range of navigation.

[Bronevick]

Good specialists are needed everywhere. What brains disappear then

[Bert]

Quote: without reverse

he has a homeland, not where the soul is comfortable .. but where the ass is warm.

I would not say that. Why are brains draining from Russia? Yes, because they are not needed here for nothing. Although in words we “value” them so much. Russia has the most important hydrocarbon trade. And brains are not needed to trade resources. The main demand would be. We’ll buy the rest. The man dedicated his life to the construction of carb and went to where it is in demand. With what fright did we order the Mistral in France? Either the pens did not grow from there? As soon as the Russia-NATO conflict happens, these Mistrals will turn into two pieces of scrap metal. Brains go where they are needed.
A simple example was 2K MiG and Su combined for optimization. Optimization is essentially elimination. There were two competitors. But less money is spent on them. But it would be better if he did not go to the Chinese. Before 41, the Germans and I were also friendly. Or maybe because of at least someone to transfer their knowledge and experience. Hardly because of the money.
At the beginning of 90, our scientist was temporarily in America. The Americans were bored to give a course of lectures at one of the universities. From reluctance to lecture, the professor set an exorbitant price. And that the Americans considered that the professor appreciated himself so highly and agreed to pay. The poor thing had nowhere to go, I had to read. The same doctors. Started in the outback with zero. But if you can’t hide his talent. Here we have already got advantageous offers from the region and beyond. He is smart and smart in Africa. And his fools are everywhere enough.

[Tusv]

Quote: Bert

Russia has the most important hydrocarbon trade. And brains are not needed to trade resources.

True chtol. Well so go brainless American LNG bargain at a cost of 4 bucks for MBTU

[Black Colonel]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Vladimir16

And he could live in retirement at home.

And he could have come to Russia and taught our young shipbuilders ... but we are import substituting everything and everyone, without exception.

And where does the import substitute? China is going to build aircraft carriers - its glade is there, the road is there for it. And we have some misunderstandings, I have not yet decided whether we will build or not. What can a man expect if he is still full of creative powers?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Black Colonel

What can a man expect if he is still full of creative powers?

And we only have a complete gag with aircraft carriers, as I understand it? That is, the destroyers built, cruisers laid and are building ... right? Or do you think that ship designers are divided into those who build only TARKs and those who are only destroyers and frigates?

[APASUS]

Such people should be specially registered and leaving him is like losing secret information. In essence, you had to give him a Russian pension, an apartment in Moscow, but you should not allow such people to move abroad.

[Overlock]

our leadership does not need these! We need relatives, grabbers and thieves

[APASUS]

Unfortunately

[Curious]

I read several times about Russian pensions in the comments. Is this a big figure, a guarantee of secured old age?

[APASUS]

Quote: Curious

I read several times about Russian pensions in the comments. Is this a big figure, a guarantee of secured old age?

I think the Chief Designer does not receive an average pension

[the right passenger]

At least a carcass, even a stuffed animal, even to China)))

[XXXIII]

Yes, and let it work, since there is a demand for its services! Just created, another ship, hmm, great honor ?!
Technologies are changing rapidly, and there are enough specialists in the field of shipbuilding! As for China, they don’t think that he will get a big position, he will soon teach students at the academy! They will not give him access to classified information.
PSChina does it all by itself.

[the right passenger]

Quote: APASUS

Such people should be specially registered and leaving him is like losing secret information. In essence, you had to give him a Russian pension, an apartment in Moscow, but you should not allow such people to move abroad.

It's funny that we have ministers generals mayors of guberra ticking abroad))) not for that they fought Schaub honestly acquired by excessive labor in Russia to spend))))

[Whaler]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Topotun

In vain you are so ... And here is import substitution? Most likely the payment option offered to him turned out to be VERY suitable.

No, not in vain, dear. The designer is a piece and very few. And when, under our nose, our partners, not the welder, not the slinger, but the designer, are taken away, I want to ask the question — Do we have so many designers with this experience that we just give them to the side?
So that my message finally comes to you, the Designer is the carrier and founder of the school, and not just a specialist. That is, China received not just a designer, but also his experience, and in the very near future, there will be formed its own school of aircraft carrier construction, taking into account its own achievements. And I will not be surprised at all if in 10 years our young engineers and designers will go to LEARN from the Chinese to design and build aircraft carriers.
I clearly conveyed to you my thought?

Almost a hundred times you have been answered for the "designer". PPC)) you imagine the essence of the categories, or imagine yourself unsurpassed, but essentially an extremely stubborn sophist?

[Whaler]

Left and left ... also a landmark event for me. Factory designer, but in fact a technologist - a production worker who has been sitting without practical work for more than 20 years. 76 years old grandfather, what can he do today? Maybe he is an expert in modular, large-site assembly, or owns some sort of "unique" Soviet technology for organizing production of the period 80g. Twentieth century? The Chinese grabbed the bait like a hungry perch - by smell, without looking. But it may turn out that they will chew, try, and spit it out, they have it easy with that))

[Overlock]

on the other hand, our very smart and self-confident specialists, having crap in the Gorshkov remake in the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, solved the problems only when, in February 2010, General Director Nikolai Kalistratov and a group of Sevmash specialists visited the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev. According to the results of the negotiations, three employees of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant were invited to Sevmash to transfer experience, including the chief builder of the reconstructed aircraft carrier, Evgeny Mikhailovich Entis.

[LeonidL]

Do not scuffle. Carrier cruisers were built in Nikolaev, the whole country was building, but all the technical documentation remained in Ukraine ... more precisely, it remained until the Chinese, after a good booze for pennies, were completely taken out by the trailer to poor Varyagu who was sold again for pennies at "children's auctions". Restoring everything anew is naturally difficult, but the Indians overcame the difficulties and the aircraft carrier was rebuilt from the aircraft-carrying cruiser. By the way, there were problems because the Indians tried to save. And the "Thread" was restored and a new one was built. So - everything is fine, they did without Babich. You can understand it - in old age it’s good to get a decent atmosphere for a person. and there’s nothing for him to do on the coast, can he build an inflatable fleet for the APU?

[Overlock]

About Saki “Thread” I know more of you, I live there, I rode a car on it. She ALWAYS worked, under any authority. But there are questions about Yeisk, is it put into operation? discard the link, it is interesting to read.
And about "Sevmash" - they could not do anything without specialists from Nikolaev, we must admit the obvious and not repeat mistakes

[Overlock]

Babich Valery Vasilievich (January 27, 1941, Zaporozhye) - shipbuilding engineer, until 1991 head of the design bureau in the department of the chief designer of the Black Sea shipbuilding plant in Nikolaev on aircraft-carrying ships and the Nitka ground-based test aircraft test complex for ships.

1970-1975 - leading designer of the department of the chief designer of ChSZ for the aviation complex at the construction of the Kiev-carrying aircraft cruiser.
1976-1978 - head of the armament group of the chief designer’s department (missile-artillery, aviation and anti-submarine weapons) during the construction of the Minsk TAVKR.
1979-1991 - head of the design bureau of the department of the chief designer for aircraft carriers and the ground test complex for naval aviation "Nitka" (construction of the Tavkr "Novorossiysk", "Baku", "Tbilisi", "Varyag", the nuclear heavy aircraft cruiser "Ulyanovsk").
How are you, “Thread” in Yeysk without Babich put into operation? They promised in 2013, then - in 2015. Such "smart" ones as you certainly will put everything in time and build (in words), the main thing is your conceit and overvalued self-esteem. That's just the result is worthless

[earloop]

"Old horse. Does not spoil the furrow!" Those who think, then for them, a shipbuilder, and with many years of practical experience in engineering, is a godsend! Such specialists are "not lying on the road"! To work in a research institute according to its profile, after long and forced unemployment, is happiness. I do not exclude that all the remaining leading scientists, teachers and engineers from the Shipbuilding Institute will come to Qingdao.

[Overlock]

what explain stubborn? Themselves with a mustache, only there is no result. Grandmas sawn, orders hanged, there is NOTHING. And conceit is Napoleon. Therefore, China does us that the smart ones left, and the “substitution” is bad

[LeonidL]

Tired of him building an inflatable yachts-and-blacks fleet probably?

[dik-nsk]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Vladimir16

And he could live in retirement at home.

And he could have come to Russia and taught our young shipbuilders ... but we are import substituting everything and everyone, without exception.

spread a sheet and went as far as comparing aircraft carriers with TARK from scratch. why did you decide that he would go to Russia at all? What does import substitution have to do with it? a peasant might well be Svidomo, how many of them got out ... otherwise whole theories and accusations would be needed and, if he wanted, he would have lived with us long ago, homegrown strategists ..

[Multicast]

Many experts in Ukraine from design bureaus move to China - the Chinese are quietly buying up the remaining brain cream of the former USSR. And believe those experts who go to China are highly skilled specialists and just so China would not invite them to itself. You will not believe it, but even 80 year olds are invited to work and help create military weapons in China, and how much documentation needs to be translated into Chinese. So work is not an edge. And Ukraine is a traitor country. True people feel sorry for them - the impoverishment of kapets.

[Seraphimamur]

Here it is the Ukrainian essence: to sell to anyone, to go anywhere only not to Russia!

[Overlock]

and that Russia needs specialists? They require attention, and relatives do not require anything, they just steal

[Eflintuk]

Where did you dig it up? The head of the bureau of the OGK shipyard - he can’t finally be a designer, and so is the design preparation for production at a particular factory. Designed by Nevsky Design Bureau. Its value in relation to Chinese realities tends to zero, books about the Chinese fleet probably took to write ...

[Overlock]

Babich - shipbuilder, technologist

[kdakda]

Well done, it’s better than living in this garbage can.