The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has achieved the termination of the contract for the supply of Be-200

The Moscow Arbitration Court upheld the claim of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to recover from Taganrog PJSC aviation the scientific and technical complex named after G.M.Beriev "as an unspent advance payment of more than 6,726 billion rubles, reports bmpd with reference to RBC.

It is reported that the said amount was paid by the military department to the enterprise as an advance on the contract for the supply of six amphibious aircraft Be-2013ES, concluded in 200, however, the ministry was not transferred to a single vehicle.

Following the results of the consideration of the case, the Moscow Arbitration Court decided to “terminate the contract concluded between the Ministry of Defense and the TANTK, to recover from the aircraft factory an unearned advance payment and 200 thousand rubles. duties to the state. "

Bmpd recalls that the plant pledged to supply the Ministry of Defense with two Be-200ES aircraft and four modified Be-200PS aircraft (without a fire extinguishing function) for a total of 8,4 billion rubles during 2014-2016. However, the construction of aircraft has not progressed beyond the initial stage. In 2016, the Ministry of Defense suspended the implementation of the agreement.

Comments

[Mar.Tirah]

The Attorney General should deal with these nouveau riches. Let them make cars at their own expense.

[tiredwithall]

Under this theft, the factory will also be ruined.

[rotmistr60]

Under this theft, the factory will also be ruined.

So maybe they are striving for this.

[maxim947]

Very disappointing, there were so many hopes. Taganrog was given the production of BE-200 in order to save the enterprise, and they screwed up ... It would be better if they left Irkutsk, if they had done everything long ago. Such a late reaction is surprising. Now for the debts it is necessary to calmly nationalize the enterprise, it is desirable to punish the guilty.

[ty60]

And raise, like Serdyukov and put Vasilyev

[dik-nsk]

The Moscow Arbitration Court upheld the lawsuit of the Russian Ministry of Defense

it's not even half the battle, now look for it, come on caimans for a long time babos

[NEXUS]

Quote: tiredwithall

Under this theft, the factory will also be ruined.

They will not ruin ... they just start to grind this hornet's nest ... apparently, a major clearing of the chief workers of this enterprise is coming, so that others would not be habituated ...

[jjj]

So they said that in the aviation industry a complete shake-up begins

[LSA57]

Quote: jjj

So they said that in the aviation industry a complete shake-up begins

it had to be done yesterday

[maxim947]

They will not ditch ... they just start to halt this hornet's nest ... apparently, a major cleansing of the chief workers of this enterprise is coming, so that others would not be accustomed.[/ i] ..
The plant almost "lay", they tried to save him with these orders.
As for the braking, it’s a strange way, they don’t do it, if they were sorted into separate chambers and the whole plant was shaken then yes. And they also gave money from the treasury, and allowed to pull away, as this is generally not possible, maybe just as long as the information is not enough.
About ... and failure to meet deadlines in almost the majority of enterprises ..[I]. I don’t agree, the situation has changed radically in recent years, if it weren’t for all the well-known events and the subsequent forced work on import substitution, the situation would be even better. But for me it is better this way, both for the Armed Forces and for domestic production.

[tiredwithall]

Quote: NEXUS

they’re just starting to hush up this hornet’s nest ... apparently the capital cleansing of the chief workers of this enterprise is coming ...

That would be awesome.

[Topotun]

Yes, God, I really do not want a repeat of the 90s, when enterprises simply were crushed and pulled apart ....

[ydjin]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: tiredwithall

Under this theft, the factory will also be ruined.

They will not ruin ... they just start to grind this hornet's nest ... apparently, a major clearing of the chief workers of this enterprise is coming, so that others would not be habituated ...

Your words to God in the soul? Oh, how would it not deprive Russia of technology?

[NEXUS]

Quote: ydjin

Your words to God in the soul? Oh, how would it not deprive Russia of technology?

There won’t be such a thing ... I think there’s going to be a lot of cleaning at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex ... too many shifts, theft and failure to meet deadlines in almost the majority of enterprises ...

[sharp-lad]

It would be nice to put things in order.

[potterz]

He is already ditched!

[Mountain shooter]

Incomprehensible story. Factory cap? Or is this some kind of game? As we already had with Uralvagonzavod?

[x.andvlad]

Apparently, this story is an additional confirmation that the availability of money for an order is far from the main thing. The main thing is the availability of competent personnel and production facilities. These Be-200s, despite the fact that this is not a new project (that is, the production technology should already be developed), they built a "cat cried" in 20 years, no more than three dozen. The conclusion is that for 20 years they have not been able to establish large-scale serial production, despite the presence of demand for this aircraft.

[x.andvlad]

By the way:
The power plant includes two double-circuit turbojet engines D-436TP developed by ZMKB Progress. Motor Sich and UMPO are produced)
And again, Motor Sich. Apparently one of the constant reasons is the engines.

[DenZ]

Quote: x.andvlad

Apparently one of the constant reasons is the engines.

Actually this is the main reason for not fulfilling the state order. Well, then the money (theoretically) should be and they need to be returned to the customer.

[ty60]

As always, the managers screwed up. Without providing the main thing, the engines began to build everything else. Ten years without the right to correspondence.

[Cossack 471]

EXCEPT LETTERED PERSONNEL STILL MORE AND HONEST MANAGEMENT

[zhekazs]

Why didn’t they write in the article: what is the reason for the non-delivery of aircraft? The news is of interest, but, excuse me, the form of serving kutsai. Eh, you make yourself look

[Berkut24]

It is somehow not clear why the plant did not fulfill the contract and what prevented him.

[pavelty]

I understand that they are members of PJSC UAC? Well, give out there all the Lyuli, starting with Slyusar ...

[ydjin]

Quote: pavlentiy

I understand that they are members of PJSC UAC? Well, give out there all the Lyuli, starting with Slyusar ...

Pagosyan weighed the cradles, for the sake of the situation, he ruined the sun

[Bronevick]

Now the BE-200 will no longer be?

[Aleksandr_2]

for aviation, the Navy does not seem to be ...... but for the Ministry of Emergencies they collect

[Tusv]

Min defense? The Ministry of Emergency Situations made claims

[zivXP]

I wonder what are the reasons for not fulfilling the order?

[donavi49]

The complete unavailability of the plant for full cycle production. At the same time - the contracts were concluded, according to the terms of Irkut, in fact.

[zivXP]

So didn’t they release this plane before?

[donavi49]

Only experienced and still in 90's - or rather, the forerunners (A) and non-flying layout. Strength and two flight prototype Irkut, all serial Irkut did. Then the production was transferred to Beriev, who over the years has greatly degraded, in fact having lost the ability to produce aircraft in a full cycle.

[zivXP]

It would be a pity if the production of such aircraft is lost

[Kenxnumx]

Despite the fact that they recently handed over another plane of the Ministry of Emergencies. Surely the military cheated something. And the plant belongs to Sukhoi Corporation, it seems.

[donavi49]

The Ministry of Defense sued them, even before they rolled out the lead aircraft for the Ministry of Emergencies. Under the contract, everything was supposed to be delivered to both the Ministry of Emergencies and the Defense Ministry. If anything.

Of course, as soon as the Ministry of Defense sued, work on orders stopped. The article goes as follows -
On the part of bmpd, we recall that PJSC Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after G.M.Beriev (TANTK) concluded 23 May 2013 years with the Russian Ministry of Defense a state contract for the supply of naval aviation of the Russian Navy two Be-200ES aircraft and four modified aircraft Be-200PS (without fire fighting function)) with a total value of 8,4 billion rubles. The delivery was to be made under the terms of the contract in 2014-2016 yearshowever the construction of these aircraft (serial numbers 03-09, 03-10 and 03-51 to 03-54), according to known data, not advanced beyond the initial stage. It was reported that back in 2016, the Russian Ministry of Defense suspended the implementation of this contract.

The Ministry of Emergencies is more patient - but if they had moved out for another year, then the Ministry of Emergencies would have also filed a lawsuit.

[uav80]

With the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the same jamb also flies in terms of time, but at least part of the party of 6 cars was handed over to the Siberian and Far Eastern centers, after which the Ministry of Emergency Situations thought to order another 6 cars.
It seems to me that this will be the very machines that were intended for the Moscow Defense Forces. Maybe the agencies agreed among themselves, one knocks money out of the factory, the second one buys these cars, they are still needed for rescuers ...

[weksha50]

"However, the construction of aircraft did not advance beyond the initial stage."...

It's a shame, annoying .... to snot ... There is an order from the MO ... There are supposedly orders from foreigners too ... Why would the plant not be reborn ...
It seems that this is just the wrecking thing happening ... I myself am not a fan of the epithets of the 37th year, however - well, how else, besides pests, to name the plant management ... And who else? Government led by DAM ???

[ty60]

You are right. Management via iPhone

[antikilller55]

Since 2013, cotton wool has been rolled, the Moscow Region is suing, and where do the authorities look, why didn’t they take the directors for a soft spot, and didn’t ask why the order is not fulfilled?

[PValery53]

For some reason, they modestly kept silent that for failure to fulfill the state defense order all the responsible executors sat on the bench, and those who replaced them completed the order after a specific deadline.

[pafegosoff]

Is the factory private? Then - nationalize! If - the state - the minister under trial!
In general, crooks in the Duma are terribly afraid of adopting an article on confiscation of property from the guilty and close relatives. This will affect them. Therefore, all sorts of babanuy floodlights bring. Type: "And let's transfer September 1 to October 1" And let's give St. Isaac's Cathedral Church! And let's demolish the mausoleum of Lenin! "
And they themselves steal billiards.

[evil partisan]

It turns out that when Beria created "sharashka" he was not so wrong ...

[ty60]

Worked for the result. Now they work on the pocket

[Kenxnumx]

It remains to wish you such a mode of operation

[faiver]

I would like to know the true reason for not delivering aircraft, and where did the money go?

[SergF123]

If only one guilty person were put on a stake, you look and would squeeze the tails of thieves and loafers! The car is great - do it, but you can’t, you fuck you ?! Bottom line: directors - count!

[APASUS]

The BE-200 is a unique machine in terms of its qualities, but can’t go into production in any way. They either transfer it to another production or order something incomprehensible. Someone puts strong pressure on the machine. I think soon we will see a copy from China and the price is two times below, the whole world will switch to Chinese, and someone will build a summer house on the Cote d'Azur. I just don’t see another option

[nov_tech.vrn]

engines motor sich, are only going to switch to Russian

[APASUS]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

engines motor sich, are only going to switch to Russian

So what ?
The problems of the car did not begin due to the Ukrainian engine manufacturer; they started immediately, even before the events in Ukraine.

First flight
24 September 1998 years
Start of operation
2003 year

[Valery Saitov]

And there is another info.
The first seaplane should have been provided back in 2014, the rest in 2016, but this did not happen: firstly, just at that very time, the transfer of power to Taganrog from the Irkutsk aircraft plant, where the Be-200 had been assembled before, and secondly, I had to look, within the framework of import substitution, for an alternative to Ukrainian components.
As a result, the first aircraft assembled at TANTK was released in September 2016 for the Ministry of Emergencies.
However, according to experts, despite the fact that the company has shown losses in recent years, there will be no collapse due to the need to return 6,7 billion: it will be necessary to break the previous contract and then conclude a new one.

[Savignon]

Brains beyond the threshold, an airplane in Taganrog.
Brains back and loot back.
And time is lost.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Salavat Yulaev

Taganrog- Glory !!!

SUGS.

[tax payerschik]

I don’t know about this particular enterprise. I saw how the directorate of one OKB met the arrival of his master on the porch. I have never seen much shame in all my 52 years of life. It is worth noting that this design bureau was engaged in the development of fuel equipment for the 5th generation fighter engine.

[tax payerschik]

here people are clumsy what and how. I explain. Such high-tech things cannot be made anyhow. You can hire a block of wood from the aul to make you products of 7 quality standards, but he will not be able to do this. He cannot read the drawing, not what to do.

[tax payerschik]

This block does not know what quality is. What are you talking about!

[tax payerschik]

About the quality of management it is better to be silent altogether. Edo bottom! Hire a Papuan from Luganda to drive. It will be the same.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: nalogoplatelschik

This block doesn't know what quality is

Qualitative quality is butter. What is a tautology, heard? This is what she is.

But you don’t know exactly what the "non-metric quintal" is

[Romanenko]

The factory in Taganrog has long had problems, alas, perestroika and crappy democratization were not in vain for him, now we are reaping the benefits ...
A few years ago, the Ministry of Emergencies decided to rearm on Beshki, they turned to the plant and there was no one to work. The old people have already really died out almost all, the youth does not know how to work on the assembly, and their brains have been burned out recently. Had an order of the president to urgently organize a techie, personnel, then where to get it?
Now, little by little, someone has appeared at the assembly, but after so many years of paid collapse, you will not quickly restore production, the plant is lame.
Of course, it will cope, not immediately, but it will work again, one thing is scary, God forbid, we will begin to ruin everything again ....
And if someone does not believe that this is possible, let him say it.

[d.gksueyjd]

You forgot to tell why the workers have low salaries, and the “bosses” did not offend themselves with salaries! More than one highly skilled turner, milling machine operator or locksmith will not work for 12-15 tons per year, taking into account processing and minus the income tax.

[d.gksueyjd]

Such a decision will make it possible to find out how and by whom 6,7 billion rubles were stolen.

[d.gksueyjd]

Declare the plant bankrupt and transfer to the category of “state-owned” factories, establish repair and modernization of IL 76 on it, setting hard salaries from director to cleaner — the plant will begin to work.

[VOENOBOZ]

Children’s toys, well, they don’t directly know why they didn’t let the cars go, where the money and everything else went - it’s nonsense.

[VOENOBOZ]

What is six aircraft, it just set up the machines and then turn them off.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

The plant was killed from MOSCOW since 1995 - I then worked at the GosNITsATSAGI, where they listened to them at the Scientific Council. Our hydroaviation has spread rot since the time of Beriev.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

In 1995, Gelendzhik was struck with great difficulty to save hydroaviation. Otherwise, they would generally quietly drown. All over. GosNITSTSAGI saved.

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: Romanenko

And if someone does not believe that this is possible, let him say it.

Unfortunately more than possible.

[nikola]

strange like that, a respected factory and such a proceeding. Something is wrong gentlemen, somewhere there is a catch.

[solovald]

Famously! - "... not a single car was handed over to the ministry ...". But where did the grandma advance from 2013 spin? And most importantly, by whom? Is the mafia truly immortal ... or is it already a feast during the plague?

[Egg]

Quote: maxim947

Very disappointing, there were so many hopes. Taganrog was given the production of BE-200 in order to save the enterprise, and they screwed up ... It would be better if they left Irkutsk, if they had done everything long ago. Such a late reaction is surprising. Now for the debts it is necessary to calmly nationalize the enterprise, it is desirable to punish the guilty.

Most likely, they will take a controlling stake for debts, introduce their representatives to the board of directors and put their own director close to the Ministry of Defense. Such is a kind of nationalization ....