Rockets are banned, but we will develop them. The second round of confrontation between the USA and Russia

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Is it far from nuclear war? American congressmen are doing everything to make this war closer. Congress is preparing a bill to withdraw the United States from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles. US lawmakers believe that the time has come to go, because Putin "has already violated the treaty." Some foreign experts have no doubt that the US withdrawal from the INF would lead to a nuclear war.





On the magazine's website "Politico" published an article by Brian Bender. The analyst spoke about the preparation by the US Congress of a bill on the US withdrawal from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF). In fact, congressmen are preparing Trump for the “second round” of the confrontation between the United States and Russia.

Senator Tom Cotton and other supporters of the provisions of the bill are confident that Russia's recent deployment of medium-range missiles in violation of the aforementioned treaty requires an adequate response from the United States. Congress forces the Pentagon to violate the treaty with Russia. If the congressmen succeed in meeting their demands, Washington’s relations with Moscow will become very tense.

Representatives of both the House of Representatives and the US Senate are ready to require the Pentagon to start developing medium-range missiles, which was prohibited by the agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the newspaper reminds. Supporters of the relevant bill say that such a step is “necessary”, since Russian President Vladimir Putin “has already violated” the treaty. But opponents of such an act fear the growing threat of nuclear war.

The bill may also cause new friction between lawmakers and Trump, who previously accused Congress of illegally interfering in its relations with Moscow. Mr Trump criticized the congressmen for the inclusion of "clearly unconstitutional provisions" in a bipartisan bill imposing new sanctions "on the Putin regime."

Interestingly, Trump is starting to support ... Democrats. Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy (one of those who, during Gorbachev’s time, voted to ratify the treaty) said that short-range and medium-range nuclear missiles have no deterrent effect. This was true before, true now. However, the presence of such missiles "increase the likelihood" of an incorrect assessment of the situation that will end in disaster.

US legal experts congress initiatives also disapprove. In their opinion, only the president can negotiate or withdraw from the treaties.

In the House of Representatives they insist on their own: the hawks want to launch a ground-based rocket development program. In the near future, the senators will also discuss the situation according to which thousands of kilometers of weapons (which both cold-war rivals stopped developing three decades ago) will be allocated 0,5 million for the creation of missiles with a range from 5,5 to 65. The bill, however, states that it is necessary to create a traditional (non-nuclear) rocket. This does not save legislators from breaching a treaty: the INF Treaty does not distinguish between the two types of weapons.

“This is beyond the authority of the congress,” said Mallory Stewart, who last year served as deputy assistant secretary of state at the Bureau of Arms Control. “And this ignores the separation of powers that was recognized from the very beginning of our constitution.”

“It’s not even clear whether this is constitutional,” Alexandra Bell, the former State Department official, agreed with him.

Senator Cotton, in his address to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, stated that the congressional actions would not violate the contract: “In accordance with the agreement, we cannot test, produce or have medium-range ground-based missiles. But we can do research on how to improve other missiles, for example, expanding their range or adapting them for different environments. For example, we could develop a ground-based version of Tomahawk, which we usually launch from Navy ships. ” According to the legislator, the research remains "within the framework of the INF Treaty," but at the same time they are preparing the United States and its allies "for the case when the treaty expires."

As to the military value of the type of armaments that the congressmen are talking about, then defense specialists “very much doubt it”, the article notes.

Air Force General Gen. Paul Selva, deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a meeting of the Senate Committee on Armed Forces that Russia's actions did not pose a threat to security at all. "Given the location of specific missiles and deployment, they do not receive any advantage in Europe," said Selva. He further noted that the INF Treaty covers only ground-based missiles, and not those that were fired from aircraft or ships at sea. From another point of view, the value of such weapons also does not matter. Taking measures to develop appropriate missiles banned by the INF Treaty “would hardly force the Russians to hold back”, moreover, such an answer to Russia can just lead to the type of nuclear arms race that the treaty limited.

As a result, funding for weapons systems will be allowed, laying the foundation "for a new nuclear weaponswhich will be deployed in Europe, ”believes Deyril Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association.

Kimball, and with him, and other experts argue that no European ally of the United States, most likely, will not want to accept such weapons.

The opposition to the hawks among the senators is already underway. One of the proposals currently being considered by Senator Elizabeth Warren (Democrat from Massachusetts) is based on a specific requirement for the Pentagon. Prior to finding sources of funding, the military must first conduct an analysis of the need for a new medium-range missile.

Former member of the Democratic Party, John Tirney, who led the national security oversight team, and now the executive director of the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, argues that the preservation of arms control pacts with Russia should be a top priority for the Trump administration. despite the differences between the two countries. This problem Tierney considers "existential." This issue should be resolved without delay, when the two states more or less “get along”.

Recall, the INF Treaty, which entered into force in the 1988 year, in the midst of “perestroika”, forbade the parties to have ground-based ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that have a range from 500 to 5500 kilometers. Washington hinted for the first time in the summer of 2014 of the year for Moscow to violate the terms of the treaty. The Kremlin did not agree with the claims of the White House. In March, 2017, the Americans officially accused Russia of deploying ground-based missiles. According to Pentagon officials, this rocket violates the INF Treaty. “We disagree and reject any accusations in this regard,” they cite "Vedomosti" the response of the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov. - In the situation with the Russian Federation and our Eurasian geopolitical position, we have a completely different architecture of possible threats to our security. Nevertheless, Russia still remains committed to its obligations. "

Washington’s accusations against Russia are mainly about the RS-26 “Yars-M” mobile lightweight ICBM, writes on its website IA "REGNUM" analyst Leonid Nersisyan.

The named rocket has the qualities of medium-range missiles and ICBMs: it can be launched at a distance from 2000 km to 10000-11000 km.

“It’s hard to say whether such a missile violates the INF Treaty, but even for Americans, things are not going smoothly: the AegisAshore missile defense system deployed in Romania can quickly be re-equipped to the Tomahawk cruise missile positioning area. This is possible thanks to the versatility of the Mk 41 vertical launchers, which can be charged with both anti-missile and Tomahawk. To control this process is very difficult and theoretically it is possible to replace anti-missiles, while maintaining secrecy. ”


Americans have another claim: Russian deployment of long-range 9М729 cruise missiles for Iskander-M complexes. The range of missiles in 2000 — 2600 km assumed by Western experts coincides with the sea-launched cruise missile 3М-14 Caliber. To create a land-based modification of the 3-14 "is not a big problem," Nersisyan points out, but there is no evidence that such missiles were created, tested and put into service. When the United States withdraws from the INF Treaty, such a move “will most likely be one of the first and very effective, since it will jeopardize any static military targets in Europe (airfields, ports, warehouses, bases, etc.).” In addition, another component of the response could be the creation of mobile medium-range ballistic missiles based on the Soviet "Pioneer". With the use of new technologies and the element base, the analyst believes, the characteristics of the rocket can be significantly improved. The third direction of response could be the development of anti-ship MRBM like the Chinese DF-21D, designed to destroy carrier-based strike groups at a distance of 1500 — 2000 km.

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Quite possible US withdrawal from the treaty will force Russia to fork out. Considerable funds will be required for the implementation of probable response programs. Given the current budget cuts and a marked reduction in military spending in 2017, such programs would create a significant burden on the budget and would later lead to a new round of endless arms race. The threat, the answer to the threat, the answer to the answer, and so on in a circle, more precisely, in a spiral. However, this race may well have an end. Any nervous military at the button at any time can make a fatal mistake.

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  1. 0
    15 August 2017 06: 10
    Have to take a call and answer.
    1. +2
      15 August 2017 08: 26
      Teberii
      Have to accept the call and answer
      Right! We'll have to answer!
      First of all, let the US dissolve NATO itself - i.e. Let the Pentagon cease to lead NATO and invest in it its weapons, finances and human resources! And let the United States withdraw its troops from Europe! And they bred, you know, with their armed forces at the very borders of Russia!
      Those. let the USA do what they promised Gorbachov during the "perestroika" in the USSR!

      In other words. US themselves "wrote"! Well, now let the US itself follow it in Europe and "wipe out"!
      Or, as N.S. once said Khrushchev to the Americans: "They stink! Sniff yourself!"
      1. +11
        15 August 2017 09: 56
        Are all these agreements so essential? After the disappearance of one of the parties, didn’t they become legally void? Well, verbal promises do not cost anything at all. And the idol Gorbachev behaved like a schoolboy.
        1. +6
          15 August 2017 11: 01
          Quote: Basarev
          Are all these agreements so essential?

          Essential !!! The Russian Federation is the successor to the Soviet Union, and has taken upon itself the fulfillment of all its obligations. This is precisely what is holding back the states from withdrawing from the INF Treaty. By the way, all the calls, even on this page and for us to withdraw from this treaty, are either provocation or stupidity. Our pockets are not so full of money to get involved in a new arms race.
          1. 0
            15 August 2017 11: 20
            Quote: Barbator
            Quote: Basarev
            Are all these agreements so essential?

            Essential !!! The Russian Federation is the successor to the Soviet Union, and has taken upon itself the fulfillment of all its obligations. This is precisely what is holding back the states from withdrawing from the INF Treaty. By the way, all the calls, even on this page and for us to withdraw from this treaty, are either provocation or stupidity. Our pockets are not so full of money to get involved in a new arms race.

            I completely agree with you, but I’ll have to answer for the hysteria of the mattress ovuniks, having spread the humpbacker to this contract, they apparently were happy that they couldn’t eat, they still had everything based on the sea, but we answered how much you can configure Karakaut fleas with caliber "I think much more (if desired) than burks and they poop liquid-diluted diarrhea, but their withdrawal from the contract and the perings at their side I will tell you not to eat Lobio, we have nothing to do with it.
            1. 0
              15 August 2017 15: 15
              Quote: kapitan281271
              I completely agree with you, but I’ll have to answer for the hysteria of the mattress ovuniks, having spread the humpbacker to this contract, they apparently were happy that they couldn’t eat, they still had everything based on the sea, but we answered how much you can configure Karakaut fleas with caliber "I think much more (if desired) than burks and they poop liquid-diluted diarrhea, but their withdrawal from the contract and the perings at their side I will tell you not to eat Lobio, we have nothing to do with it.

              For this, we need the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, RT and Sputik to form the image of the Russian Federation. We would have easily removed these missiles beyond the Urals if Europe had kicked out amers with their own missiles
            2. +1
              16 August 2017 01: 46
              Quote: kapitan281271
              having divorced the humpbacker to this contract, they apparently rejoiced so that they could not eat

              for Russia, this agreement is much more important than for the United States, because all strategically important facilities are under attack, given the number of US bases, flight time will be minimal.
      2. +10
        15 August 2017 10: 00
        In order for them to withdraw their troops from Europe, we need to deploy our missiles in Cuba and Venezuela - after that either the war or they will fall down .... Moreover, any option will triple us ... I believe that the war is not so bad choice, despite the fact that in any case, they headed for our destruction ... and gradually kill us ...
        1. +5
          15 August 2017 11: 11
          Quote: seos
          In order for them to withdraw their troops from Europe, we need to deploy our missiles in Cuba and Venezuela - after that either the war or they will fall down .... Moreover, any option will triple us ... I believe that the war is not so bad choice, despite the fact that in any case, they headed for our destruction ... and gradually kill us ...

          Before writing about the fact that the war as a whole is not a bad choice, you apparently fought a lot in your life? And apparently you know quite well what war is?
          1. 0
            15 August 2017 19: 01
            Quote: kapitan281271
            Quote: seos
            In order for them to withdraw their troops from Europe, we need to deploy our missiles in Cuba and Venezuela - after that either the war or they will fall down .... Moreover, any option will triple us ... I believe that the war is not so bad choice, despite the fact that in any case, they headed for our destruction ... and gradually kill us ...

            Before writing about the fact that the war as a whole is not a bad choice, you apparently fought a lot in your life? And apparently you know quite well what war is?

            Excuse me, men, I know what war is, I only know from books and movies, but seos is right: they have the goal, our destruction, but at least the dismemberment, do we need it? I have to ask you ?! How much will we swallow? It can really return to Cuba, Venezuela, I think, also will not refuse the base, and then we'll see, the answer is for the states (they are building a base in Ukraine, and it’ll be swallowed ??? !!!)
            1. 0
              15 August 2017 22: 16
              Since the conclusion of the DLRSMD, a lot of water has flowed, and we are in a fundamentally different position: even if pi..ndo.snya produces and installs medium-range ballistic missiles (RSD) and a shorter range it will not hurt us much. Because Specially against this threat, the S300V SAM was developed, which evolved into the S300V4. This complex is highly likely to repel RSD, and shorter-range missiles reliably intercept Buk-M3. The same Buk-M3 and M2 work very well on Cruise Missiles (KR), such as Tomahawk and other JASSM-ER. Therefore, with defense, everything will be reliable. And with a symmetric answer - too, because Iskander complexes will simply be replenished with a pair of new types of missiles ... And that’s ... In addition, you just need to complete the ICAPL 885M project and arm them with Zircons. This will create exactly the same pressure on the territory of the states with a flight time of up to 8 minutes, which the Kyrgyz Republic will not be able to intercept. This is a mate.
              1. +2
                16 August 2017 01: 52
                Quote: Tektor
                . This complex is highly likely to repel RSD, and shorter-range missiles reliably intercept Buk-M3.

                they will not repel a massive blow with a probability of 99.99%, and the beech for firing at missiles in general the grandmother said for two whether the radar could capture the target, there are doubts ...
                Do you think that the Americans are "stupid" and do not know about the amount of air defense of the Russian Federation?
      3. +1
        15 August 2017 10: 37
        How naive you are!
        The Yankees have already begun to wipe Europe. They did not notice, there were more black in Europe ...
        The Yankees will never leave Europe - there are no dumb ones. There are two ways for US troops to leave Europe:
        1. The collapse of the United States
        2. The collapse of Europe.
    2. +2
      15 August 2017 10: 55
      Properly gouging the world to hell, maybe the next civilization will be kinder.
      1. +4
        15 August 2017 11: 17
        Predecessors thought probably similar
    3. 0
      15 August 2017 12: 24
      To do this, I had to study very well.
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 18: 38
        We will only benefit from the cancellation of this agreement. Remember at what times it was accepted - in the Gorbachevskys, when most of the contracts were at a loss to us.
        Medium and short-range missiles, I don’t know why they are to the Americans (unless they impose them on Europe), and in our case, in which case, it will be one of the most popular. All sorts of missile defense to neutralize, just right.
        1. 0
          15 August 2017 19: 04
          Medium and short-range missiles, I don’t know why they are to the Americans (unless they impose them on Europe), and in our case, in which case, it will be one of the most popular. All sorts of missile defense to neutralize, just right.

          Europeans, change your mind if the war-half of Europe will be ashes, and if the penguins still place
          you even have cockroaches
    4. Maz
      0
      16 August 2017 21: 46
      And we have already sent them to the state reserve warehouse, so this - let them further develop
  2. +2
    15 August 2017 06: 10
    A threat, an answer to a threat, an answer to an answer, and so on in a circle, or rather, in a spiral ..... Some nervous military man at a button can make a fatal mistake at any time.

    Just do not need these premature snot about "nervous military" and "fatal mistakes", let the "mattress" try to withdraw from the INF Treaty, find something to scare! lol Gorbachev was a traitor and then the agreement on the INF Treaty, was primarily not beneficial to us! negative
    1. +2
      15 August 2017 10: 01
      It’s not true, it was more profitable for us .... with rockets we could reach only slaves, and the owners were inaccessible ....
      1. +2
        15 August 2017 12: 42
        Do not forget then the world map was completely different! Yes In addition to the USSR, our troops were in all countries of the Warsaw Pact, and even a third of the world shouted that they were our friends and allies! For example, in order to get to the NATO base on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, in principle, we only had to launch a missile through the "Berlin" wall! laughing
  3. +8
    15 August 2017 06: 21
    When our Pioneers, blew up with the golden hands of our best workers in the world, were blown up, it wasn’t good at heart. It is God who tells us to avenge everything, for betrayal. We work brothers!
  4. +2
    15 August 2017 06: 30
    However, this race may well have an end. Any nervous military at the button at any time can make a fatal mistake.

    This can now happen when the parties try to comply with the terms of the contract.
    Caliber on RTOs in the Baltic, Caspian, Black and White Seas is a good brain freshener for NATO and Europe in particular. The howl did not arise from Yars, the howl rose from the Caliber, when NATO and the United States realized that hegemony in the medium-range SLCMs had ended.
    1. 0
      15 August 2017 10: 03
      We do not have as many cruise missiles as we would like .... while they are not a deterrent .... we must cheapen and massively launch their production
      1. +3
        15 August 2017 13: 14
        And who counted how many rockets we have? How many cars do cars produce per day? That's about as many cruise missiles as we have. I am sure that in mass production the Caliber cruise missile is neither more expensive nor more difficult to manufacture than a modern passenger car. Despite the fact that the concept of manufacturing a rocket is not a concept of manufacturing a car or aircraft, here is a one-way ticket and, accordingly, the resource of all parts is laid out on a “one exit”. It is not necessary only to operate with amounts with six zeros - the price of a rocket is approximately the price of what it can destroy, hence millions. Those. figuratively speaking, a caliber is buying a foreign country from us, it pays for using it, for example, to disable a power plant with an accurate and powerful blow, we consider the losses ... Or, to destroy an oil refinery there, well, who has what fantasy and tasks. Ours show new weapons and shoot them when the supply is already sufficient in warehouses. Well, at least I want to think so.
      2. 0
        15 August 2017 18: 48
        you said stupidity: all the need for calibers for 2016 for mo satisfied. it is more than 3500 pieces, more will be ordered.
        1. 0
          15 August 2017 22: 30
          This year, gauges are produced at a rate of 240 units per year. In addition to calibers, there are Onyxes, X-32, R-37M, X-35, X-31, X-58ushk, etc. All of these missiles are among the most advanced types of weapons, and are capable of solving the challenges. But by 2020 Obnosov threatened to create a new line of "high-speed" CRs at a range of 200, 400, 600 and 1000 km. And it will be something !!!
          In addition to the Kyrgyz Republic there are other means. For example, pulsed electromagnetic explosive generators that can knock out electronics at the right time. There are means of exposure to electronic warfare and a concentrated electromagnetic beam from a high-potential radar ... And something else.
  5. +7
    15 August 2017 11: 03
    Everywhere they write: Ah, poor Trump, how difficult it is for him, the attacks do not stop. This is a pure performance. Under the guise of an objectionable fool who accidentally destroys something, Trump sequentially takes the previously planned steps. Without Trump, it would take a long time to get away from breaking all kinds of obligations. And so - what do you take from a fool, still against
  6. +1
    15 August 2017 11: 09
    And according to the congressional flicker, all these fluttering of legal scholars, because for so many years he (the US Congress) violated, well, allowed to violate other people's laws, that now he doesn’t bother violating his own rights, democracy ... They make some porridge, if anything, they will dissolve others !
  7. 0
    15 August 2017 11: 30
    Are the old SS-20s in fashion again?
    1. +1
      15 August 2017 18: 49
      only on a new digital base.
  8. +6
    15 August 2017 11: 44
    I really liked the last paragraph, until there is a normal, strong economy, they will always torment us and if it is not clear to the supreme power, then it is simply stupid, stupid and not professional. I am not a liberal and I simply cannot stand all this shusher, we need to say right now we need a second industrialization, as under STALIN, everything good was taken from there, put things in order in domestic politics, restrain the "elite", officials, especially in the highest echelons of power, the principle should to be one well-being of the PEOPLE, namely the people, their safety, personal, socio-economic, criminal procedure, the creation of a socially just state, and not a handful of people who created COMMUNISM. The question is, our leadership has such a political will, so far I do not see it.
  9. +1
    15 August 2017 11: 52
    *************************************************
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    Much is not clear.
    It looks like he killed a man seven times. Isn't it enough once?
    Is it not enough to defeat the United States and a dozen thermonuclear explosions on its territory?
    Add to that nuclear power plants and platinum?
    1. +2
      15 August 2017 13: 44
      And platinum has to do with it. It is useful to us ourselves.
      1. +1
        15 August 2017 14: 10
        he meant plots.
    2. 0
      15 August 2017 14: 18
      The probability that the missile will not take off, the probability that the ammunition will not work, the probability that the ammunition will deviate strongly from the target, the probability that it will be destroyed during the flight, the probability that the launcher will be destroyed or captured. What is left over? The maximum is the infiltration of civilization into the Stone Age and the slow extinction of people in territories affected by nuclear weapons. Where did the figure about the sevenfold destruction of all mankind come from? Somewhere, someone will survive, but civilization is not.
      PS If people stopped retelling nonsense about nuclear weapons, and used normal scientific evidence, then those who would have been ready to use nuclear weapons wherever they go would hardly have appeared.
  10. +3
    15 August 2017 12: 26
    They came up with it themselves, they were offended and climb into Moscow. Typical womanish behavior.
    Trump already makes the impression of a rag, or he is so exposed.
    1. +1
      15 August 2017 17: 30
      It’s just that the US Congress turned out to be more complicated than the board of directors of a construction company, it seems to me that it did not calculate its strengths.
      1. +1
        15 August 2017 21: 59
        However, it’s better than a clintonsha ... at least in the open, her forces can’t speak right now, they "influenced the elections" and so now this is the only layer between the chair ... I hope she’s not liquid right now
  11. +1
    15 August 2017 14: 00
    Hello, the great nations of the Great Country. You look at when the Soviet Union hid and what happened at the turn of the millenniums of the global planetary overtube yes. A great era is beginning. The train has started. Who will board which car. There is no train. it’s an airliner. yes, there’s a spaceship. unambiguously in this orchestra Russia plays one of the first violins. and maybe even the role of director. Now a lot depends on the Russian Union. But it’s also clear that the Russian Federation is on the defensive. And it looks like it’s circular. The country needs a strong leader. Realist. Pragmatist. People will go for it. In short, it’s like a leader but smart. and not a coward. there Moamar Gaddafi believed people, but it turned out. Saddam thought that he himself would be able to taxi. Slobodan was counting on Russia .... most likely Vladimir Vladimirovich should steer and steer ..... for a long time.
  12. +1
    15 August 2017 17: 51
    Reducing the level of nuclear weapons to armies, and even more so divisions, will inevitably raise the risk of conflict to an unprecedented level. It was already like that, but now, taking into account the degrading level of education and training of medical personnel, we get into trouble now, and do not have time to come to our senses ...
  13. 0
    15 August 2017 18: 37
    The Americans want us to do the next guano with these missiles, well, okay, because there is Mr. Gno, and Gno in Cuba. laughing can then change their minds.
  14. 0
    15 August 2017 18: 55
    but in my opinion the time has come for sharks pr.941 it’s time to restore them, refuel them with 70-90 calibers and on duty on the North or Atlantic, at a speed of 9-12 miles / hour, no one will find them anywhere, but you can lie down at the bottom for six months near usa coast.
  15. +1
    15 August 2017 19: 44
    We always make excuses. A hail and the world does not care. Who is stronger, who is the first and right.
    We must, while we are discussing the mythical violation of the treaty by Russia, modernize our ground-based base and declare a violation of the treaty, and place ourselves in positions in the western position areas. And let them continue to scream.
    1. 0
      15 August 2017 20: 07
      Quote: Shaikin Vladimir
      We always make excuses. A hail and the world does not care. Who is stronger, who is the first and right.
      We must, while we are discussing the mythical violation of the treaty by Russia, modernize our ground-based base and declare a violation of the treaty, and place ourselves in positions in the western position areas. And let them continue to scream.
  16. +1
    15 August 2017 20: 04
    These fools will never understand. Where do they get involved. Full cretins. Red-you’ll ruin the states. Yes, we don’t care. You are not the president. You are just a “prezik” in the hands of those who steers you. Unhappy. And in general. Mayor Trumpov. It's time for you to go home. The calf went, the pigs are farrowing. I’m not talking about chickens. Now the cedar is a song. You need to bring winter to mind. Let's go home. Do not fuck there.
  17. 0
    15 August 2017 20: 50
    But everything is good byd. There was recognition. There was authority on the world stage .. So no, for the sake of rating, it was necessary to take away Crimea from Ukrainians, and even get involved in an adventure in the Donbass ... Now everyone has taken up arms against us, and we are losing our resources on a stupid “acquisition” and lose people .. Was it worth it if you think about it with your brain?
    1. +4
      15 August 2017 21: 57
      Quote: shurup7
      it was necessary for the sake of rating to select (such as return) from Ukrainians Crimea

      Firstly, they did not select, but on the basis of a referendum of the inhabitants of Crimea and their will, he became part of Russia. Secondly, how is it in the states that ganged up on you? Return to Russia, they don’t militia here. Thirdly, maybe it was necessary to wait for Bandera’s to slaughter Crimeans, as in the Donbass? Fourth, you probably do not own the information that the United States is building a base in Ochakovo, in Ukraine. And they were ready to make their base in Sevastopol. Continue to continue? And why do you so disrespectfully call Ukrainians Ukrainians?
    2. +1
      15 August 2017 21: 59
      to take away (such as return) from Ukrainians Crimea, and even get involved in an adventure in the Donbass ... Are you fucking up or just fooling around?
    3. +1
      16 August 2017 03: 12
      I’ll tell you a terrible secret, after about ten years ukrohokhly having eaten democracy, they will kick both the United States and the EU and will be asked side by side to the “fraternal people”, which they have done repeatedly.
  18. +1
    15 August 2017 22: 43
    ".... and the Soviet (leader through P) Mikhail Gorbachev,"
    or rather, just a bumpkin who was skillfully used by the west ...
    the patient, on the contrary, still thinks that he was his will ...
  19. +1
    16 August 2017 04: 54
    Some nervous military

    politicians, by their actions, bring the situation to the maximum idio-cretinism ... and the “nervous military” will be to blame for everything.
    But!
  20. +2
    16 August 2017 05: 19
    Quote: shurup7
    But everything is good byd. There was recognition. There was authority on the world stage ..

    Is it all good for anyone? Your “world arena” was touched to the limit by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who was rushing around the world with outstretched hands. Ah, what darlings! Everything and everyone is sold just to beg for something. Milota!
    And at this time in the country with one labeled hungry line in the country lined up, and with another drunkard, salaries of six months were not given out. Choose which is better!
    Oh, as if all is well!
    Now, too, is not a fountain - a step forward, two steps back. But it is better not to compare with the previous two. The people will not understand you.
  21. +1
    16 August 2017 11: 56
    Some nervous military man at the button can make a fatal mistake at any moment.

    We were so nervous in 90 that we wanted to “make a mistake”, and then DELIBERATIVELY didn’t allow the will button at the button, so let's not bring rubbish, that we UNDERSTANDEDly do it
  22. 0
    20 August 2017 11: 55
    Quote: Barbator
    and it will require considerable funds. With the current budget cuts and a noticeable reduction in military spending in 2017, such programs would create a significant burden on the budget and in the future would lead to a new round of an endless arms race. A threat, an answer to a threat, an answer to an answer, and so on in a circle, or rather, in a spiral. However, this race

    States have been violating it for a long time, now the question is to beat out preferences for a greater violation, dialogue and pressure, given that they understand only power - some adequate answer (not necessarily symmetrical) needs to be given. Given missile defense in the EU, this is already critically important.
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    20 August 2017 12: 09
    Quote: shurup7
    to take away (such as return) from the Ukrainians the Crimea, and even get involved in an adventure in the Donbass ... Now, everyone turned against us, and we

    If the brain think, then
    1. The recognition did not exist exactly before they began an independent policy and began to give inadequate teeth. (2008). "Partners" respect only power, have shown - the attitude has changed. Today the most influential politician in the world - guess who?
    2. Crimea may have been squeezed out de facto, but from the point of view of world law, a mosquito will not undermine its nose. The "partners" in these matters never stood on ceremony; they simply bombed Yugoslavia and created a new state on its territory. After that, pay attention to the opinion of the West only as statistics (the number of screams)
    3. Donbass supported, support and will support. It is not your business to count resources, not you to mine them.
    4. Did everyone take up arms? And before that, everyone was friends or something ???? If what was previously called friendship, then let there be enmity, we don’t have such friends and don’t have to pay. And if you really look, the number of people who want to make friends has grown, simply because they see that the Russian Federation does not abandon their friends, unlike the same states, the worst thing is probably to have such friends, you never know at what exact moment they decide that it’s time for you count in the ass to score (Libya, Iraq, Egypt, the list is almost endless, you can even add the South Caucasus and Japan, because for their own interests the states calmly substitute them for a nuclear strike by North Korea).
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    22 August 2017 20: 44
    The United States, having bases on the border with Russia, feels comfortable. To bring down this arrogance, it is necessary to impress upon them that
    in the event aggressive actions of any western country begin, our first blow will be inflicted on the United States itself, as the organizer of any aggression against Russia. Such a formulation of the question will lead to the fact that America itself will perpetrate
    unbridled zeal of satellites