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UAV operators from Israel refused the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan to attack the Armenian military

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According to the information of the Internet portal newsru.co.il, the newspaper Maariv HaShavua reports on the Israeli military department’s verification of information about the refusal of operators of Aeronautics Defense Systems to demonstrate the capabilities of unmanned vehicles transferred to Azerbaijan for Armenian purposes.

It is stated that the defense ministry of the country received a complaint, ADS denies the charges contained in it.

The company delivers its products to customers in the 50 countries of the world, exclusively in accordance with the licenses of the defense export control department at the Ministry of Defense. Aeronautics will never demonstrate on live targets. The same applies to this case.


More than a month ago, an ADS delegation visited Baku to discuss a new contract for the supply of UAVs, in particular the so-called barrage ammunition. Azerbaijani militaries, who were counting on organizing a public television broadcast, expressed a desire to see them in action in real combat conditions, but were refused by drones operators, despite pressure from the delegation’s leaders. One of the operators quit, the second is going to do it.

Israeli MoD rules prohibit local weapons companies directly or indirectly participate in hostilities in other countries without a special order of the Ministry of Defense (which is extremely rare).

At the beginning of this year, the production of self-propelled locking ammunition "Zarba", which is a licensed version, was launched at the AZAD Systems enterprise of the Azerbaijani production association Sharg. UAV "Orbiter-1K" Israeli company Aeronautics Defense Systems with a warhead.

UAV operators from Israel refused the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan to attack the Armenian military


UAV-kamikaze "Orbiter-1K" is designed to combat infantry and lightly armored mobile and fixed equipment of the enemy. The drone can operate at a distance of up to 100 km at a speed of about 130 km / h at altitudes up to 5500 m for 2-3 hours. The target is affected by a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 2,5 kg (4000 tungsten balls), the explosion of which produces a cloud of fragments with a radius of up to 25 m. Undermining can occur in the air, with a time delay and during contact with the target. A UAV takes off with a catapult, sits down with a parachute and an inflatable chamber.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 14 August 2017 07: 05
    0
    launch of production of homing ammunition "Zarba", which is a licensed version of the UAV "Orbiter-1K"


    Interestingly, such weapons fall under the classification of the INF ... what
    1. Logall
      Logall 14 August 2017 07: 45
      +16
      Armenia and Azerbaijan have nothing to do with the DRMSD at all ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 August 2017 07: 47
        +1
        Armenia and Azerbaijan have nothing to do with the DRMSD at all ...

        It's not about the INF Treaty ... but about the INF Treaty ... one letter ... just to understand the issue smile what
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 14 August 2017 08: 36
        +2
        Fake "news" most likely.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 14 August 2017 08: 49
          +1
          Fake "news" most likely.

          And what is the purpose of this fake ... why mislead people what ??
          1. armenk
            armenk 14 August 2017 12: 56
            +2
            in my personal opinion this may well be true.

            1) it fits perfectly into the mentality of the Azerbaijani side
            2) as I know, recently Israel has been trying to establish relations with Armenia .. we are talking about opening an embassy. so it’s entirely possible that it’s an authorized leak in order to show its “openness” in words.
            1. Professor
              Professor 14 August 2017 15: 36
              +4
              Quote: armenk
              2) as I know, recently Israel has been trying to establish relations with Armenia .. we are talking about opening an embassy. so it’s entirely possible that it’s an authorized leak in order to show its “openness” in words.

              The benefits of relations with Azerbaijan are many times greater than those with Armenia, and no one is going to open an embassy in Yerevan. Why is it there? Maybe Jews appeared in Armenia?

              In the original source it is more interesting:
              The operators were asked to show the kamikaze in action. They completely refused. They began to put pressure on them, but to no avail. Then the leaders of the delegation themselves sat at the helm ... and missed. one operator sent everyone to ... and left. Another is looking for a new job.
              http://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-595
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              1. armenk
                armenk 15 August 2017 09: 10
                +1
                as I understand it, there are no questions regarding the mentality of the Azerbaijani side.
                The benefits of relations with Azerbaijan are many times greater than those with Armenia
                but no one argues. it won’t greatly violate the benefits - the Azerbaijani side is scandal more or less, I think no difference. and so there is an occasion to show which in Israel everything is pink and fluffy.
                and no one is going to open an embassy in Yerevan. Why is it there?
                it is not needed there
                The operators were asked to show the kamikaze in action. They completely refused. They began to put pressure on them, but to no avail. Then the leaders of the delegation themselves sat at the helm ... and missed. one operator sent everyone to ... and left. Another is looking for a new job.
                it is these people that Israel can be proud of.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 15 August 2017 19: 44
                  0
                  Quote: armenk
                  it is about opening an embassy.

                  Quote: armenk
                  it is not needed there

                  You would have decided, fellow countryman, you need or is going to.

                  Quote: armenk
                  it is these people that Israel can be proud of.

                  Are you talking about operators or about delegation leaders?
                  Sitting at the remote control operators or not matters a lot. Azerbaijan will buy drones, arrange their production at home and use them for you, unfortunately. You need to drop the show-offs and quickly negotiate with Azerbaijan. We need a compromise.
                  1. armenk
                    armenk 16 August 2017 05: 38
                    +2
                    You would have decided, fellow countryman, you need or is going to.

                    in my opinion is not necessary. but yours has been running into a lot lately.
                    Are you talking about operators or about delegation leaders?

                    about operators
                    You need to drop the show off and quickly negotiate with Azerbaijan. We need a compromise.

                    I do not believe in the possibility of compromise with Azerbaijan.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 16 August 2017 06: 34
                      0
                      Quote: armenk
                      in my opinion is not necessary. but yours has been running into a lot lately.

                      And I think that it is not necessary, especially since Armenia is the only country in the region where there was no Jewish community. "Tolerance" of the Armenians played a role.

                      Quote: armenk
                      about operators

                      They remained faithful to the instructions and put professional ethics higher than salaries. good

                      Quote: armenk
                      I do not believe in the possibility of compromise with Azerbaijan.

                      Then nothing good shines on you. Azerbaijan is stronger in all respects and will never put up with the loss of its territories.
                      1. armenk
                        armenk 16 August 2017 09: 35
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                        "Tolerance" of the Armenians played a role.

                        dear Professor, as a Jewish man who grew up in Armenia, did you have any problems related to your nationality? I find it extremely hard to believe.
                        the Jewish community was not left there because it had the opportunity to leave for more calm and attractive conditions.
                        They remained faithful to the instructions and put professional ethics higher than salaries.

                        you know, the main thing is to remain human. these guys turned out to be worthy representatives of their homeland.
                        Then nothing good shines on you. Azerbaijan is stronger in all respects and will never put up with the loss of its territories.

                        you are right in quantitative moments. so it was in 90 .. but, not for me to tell you how Israel began.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 16 August 2017 10: 01
                        0
                        Quote: armenk
                        dear Professor, as a Jewish man who grew up in Armenia, did you have any problems related to your nationality? I find it extremely hard to believe.

                        Had. But more problems were with my Slavic appearance, first name and surname. But this is a different story.

                        Quote: armenk
                        the Jewish community was not left there because it had the opportunity to leave for more calm and attractive conditions.

                        Well yes. The only not calm country in the region was Armenia. Jews have been living in Georgia for 2600 years, but it did not work out in Armenia? Jewish communities were and are in the North Caucasus, Tskhinvali was generally a Jewish city, there are in Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and only in Armenia there was no and no. You yourself know the reason. With all due respect to Armenia and the Armenians, let us not be heartbreaking and tell the truth. Anti-Semitism.

                        Quote: armenk
                        you are right in quantitative moments. so it was in 90 .. but, not for me to tell you how Israel began.

                        I constantly hear comparisons with Israel from my friends in Armenia. Do not be offended, but it is fundamentally not correct. If only because the Jews go to Israel, and the Armenians go from Armenia. Of my classmates (40 people in two parallel classes), about half were "Russians." Of the classmates of Armenians, now 4-5 people live in Armenia. For 26 years of independence, Israel created its defense industry, created nuclear weapons, boosted the economy, built high-tech, brought agriculture to the forefront in the world, tripled the population, and Armenia ... You need to return the territory before it's too late.
                      3. armenk
                        armenk 17 August 2017 09: 15
                        0
                        Professor, it's nice to talk with you. I agree with you in many ways, but far from everything. I will answer frankly, so do not be offended.

                        Had. But more problems were with my Slavic appearance, first name and surname. But this is a different story.

                        frankly surprised. regarding appearance, I am also not of a standard appearance for Armenia, and I guess what you mean. but it seems to me it's more children’s complexes.
                        The only not calm country in the region was Armenia

                        if you are from Armenia and have found the end of 80x, the beginning of 90x, I think you know the situation that was there - in the blockade, after the earthquake, the war, the collapse of the union with all the ensuing economic consequences. this is the reason why many Jews, Russians, including Armenians, left those places. regarding anti-Semitism, to be honest, I haven’t seen such a thing especially in Armenia among Armenians either. Of course, there are enough freaks, but if you compare with other places where I managed to visit and live, I can say that if there is anti-Semitism in Armenia, then what about the Baltic states, Russia, Germany, Spain, Austria, Sweden, etc.? Well, let's be honest that there are few countries where they “love” Jews, and it’s not just that. and if things that take place in other places do not go through in Armenia, this does not mean that there is anti-Semitism, but that there are enough of their own, to put it mildly, “not stupid”.
                        I constantly hear comparisons with Israel from my friends in Armenia.

                        here I agree with you in many ways. only comparing Armenia with Israel, I mean something else - that it is possible to resist the majority in the minority, that the quantity is not always quality, and that the presence of weapons does not imply the ability to use it wisely.
                        tripled population
                        mainly due to those who left the former USSR (again they left, in search of a better life)
                        Israel created for 26 years of independence

                        I never doubted the ability of the Jews. I wanted to pay attention to a couple of "buts":
                        1) Israel didn’t invest a penny in the education of those who came from the USSR — namely, these people brought a lot of skills and technologies that were developed by the whole union.
                        2) considerable annual multibillion injections into the economy and army of Israel.
                        created nuclear weapons

                        well this is not officially confirmed laughing
                        and Armenia ...

                        each has its own conditions and its own path.
                        You need to return the territory before it is too late.

                        I think that is impossible.
                2. White Brut
                  White Brut 16 August 2017 16: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: armenk
                  as I understand it, there are no questions regarding the mentality of the Azerbaijani side.

                  The mentality of the Azerbaijani side leaves much to be desired
                  1. armenk
                    armenk 17 August 2017 08: 14
                    0
                    Brutus, I think it's too much. By uploading such photos, we do not respect the memory of those who gave their lives for their homeland and are simply likened to neighboring animals.
                    1. White Brut
                      White Brut 17 August 2017 13: 12
                      +1
                      Let people know that in Azerbaijan they award state awards for cutting off the head (just like the IG), by the way this guy was a Yezidi.
        2. tamnun
          tamnun 14 August 2017 08: 57
          +11
          Quote: xetai9977
          Fake "news" most likely.

          100% fake.
          That the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, that the Ministry of Defense of Israel, that the arms producing companies, know perfectly well the boundaries of their duties, laws and departmental instructions.
          And cross them, for the reason - Uh !!! , like - do it, bro - doesn’t roll, and in general, it’s somehow funny.
          Fake definitely.
          Looks like 27 retired from Cook laughing
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 14 August 2017 11: 01
          +4
          I think the truth. Engineers are forbidden to test equipment that
          they sell in battle. Also, UAV operator technicians are prohibited. It must do
          Operators are military personnel of the country to which the equipment was sold. Preliminary
          they are trained on targets.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 14 August 2017 07: 56
      +4
      Interestingly, such weapons fall under the classification of the INF ... what
      Range does not allow:
      Speed ​​130 km / h * flight duration 2-3 h = 260-390 km of maximum distance one way.
      the combat radius of 100 km is indicated taking into account the time of combat duty (search and expectation of a target) and return to the starting point in the absence of targets.
    3. Maz
      Maz 14 August 2017 08: 13
      +4
      The operators did the right thing, this is not their war, but the Armenians are vengeful guys and they have a long-term Caucasian memory. And in Israel, out of the full ...
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 14 August 2017 08: 58
        +4
        So-so they have a memory. Listen to what they say about Russia at least here on the forum. They say that it’s to blame, she set up poor Armenians and something is not fighting with Turkey for Greater Armenia.
        1. armenk
          armenk 14 August 2017 13: 01
          +2
          hot guys suffered .. and what did the Armenians write bad about Russia here? the fact that Russia takes advantage of the situation - because the ally has nowhere to go .. or what reminds me of a Russian plane shot down by the Turks?
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 14 August 2017 19: 00
            +1
            or something reminiscent of a Russian plane shot down by the Turks?


            what they forgot thanks to whom they still walk on the earth. A country in which there is less population than outside its borders is a rather strange phenomenon on the map of history. Competition does not allow such blunders.

            Either the Turks or their friends would trample you. But the Russian Ivan climbed here, apparently in vain, then I read such opuses here on the forums

            But nothing. Let's see how it goes on

            Russia takes advantage of the situation


            what a wildness laughing
            1. armenk
              armenk 15 August 2017 10: 52
              +5
              Armenians are grateful to the Russian people for their help and there is nothing to say. we remember and value everything well.

              what they forgot thanks to whom they still walk on the earth.

              you wrote it like this, as if the Armenians should personally thank you all. for such ignoramuses as you will explain:
              the Armenians defended their independence with arms in their hands, when, as a result of the turmoil in Russia, the army began to fall apart and surrender the territory of the empire (if we talk about the southern front, the territories are mainly inhabited by Armenians). this is our common story and common pain.
              A country in which there is less population than outside its borders is a rather strange phenomenon on the map of history.
              I don’t think it’s bad. it’s bad that there are not so many of them in Armenia.
              Competition does not allow such blunders.

              Armenians are not stupid people and are quite competitive. the current problem is more related to transport dependence and a long-term blockade.
              Either the Turks or their friends would trample you.

              Well, didn’t Russia leave its former republics of the USSR? they probably are not trampled, but carried on the hands .. so bite your talkative tongue.
              But Russian Ivan climbed here too

              Russian Ivan climbed a lot where .. for example, one flew in an airplane, which was then shot down, and the other let it down to the Turks. some in the LPR / DPR are protected, while others in the net are nonsense.
              then I read such opuses here on the forums

              which ones?
              what a wildness

              I think friends don’t do it.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 14 August 2017 22: 23
            +1
            And you read the topics of the last aggravation in Karabakh. Just search for the word Karabakh.
            What just did not write. And that Russia has betrayed you. And what the damned Russia Serzhika unwanted you forcibly set. And that in the 90s you would have erased the Azeri from the face of the earth, but again, Russia has prevented you. And Russia has raised the price of electricity unfairly to you (what about the way with the price of electricity in Germany? It’s cheap, probably, not like in Armenia). And that just did Russia surrendered and sold you to the Turks. And much, much more. Go take a look.
            1. garnik
              garnik 15 August 2017 08: 03
              +3
              The comrade didn’t write anything seditious to respond so aggressively. Do you know that as a result not a single square meter of Western Armenia is part of today's Armenia? I will say more, in 21 Bolshevik Russia (ruled Trotsky) and the Turks divided Armenia. The Turks got the territory which did not enter the Ottoman Empire before.
              Do not suspect the Armenians of ingratitude, They remember all the good. And they always considered and still consider the Russian people friendly. Unfortunately, the rulers were not always in their place. And yet, the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire, a consequence of the Armenians' support of the Russian army. The Russian media do not like to raise this topic. And so everything is fine, the Armenians hope that this will not happen again, against the background of the rapprochement between Russia and Turkey.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 15 August 2017 16: 34
                0
                It was until 23 that they slaughtered them for the support of Russia which had already emerged from the war and the war itself ended? And why did they slaughter the Greeks? Nonsense is all, cut them in the first place because they are not Turks.

                Do you know that as a result, not a single square meter of Western Armenia is present in today's Armenia?

                What kind of Western Armenia is this, and in what century did it exist then? No way in the time of Byzantium?
                1. garnik
                  garnik 15 August 2017 17: 11
                  +3
                  They cut after WWII. And massively began to cut in the late 19th century during the Russo-Turkish wars. The climax of the genocide occurred in 1915. You probably do not know that the Greeks besieged Ankira (Ankara), but because of a lack of food and ammunition, they went to a truce with the Turks. At the same time, both armies turned to Russia for help, the Bolshevik government preferred the Turks (I am sure that this was not at the request of the Russian people). Besides 1500000 Armenians, about 800000 thousand Greeks, 600000 Assyrians, 200000 Russians and Yezidis were slaughtered.

                  In the history of the Russian Empire, almost all significant toponyms in Turkey were written according to their historical names. The capital of Turkey was Constantinople. And history schools taught the history of the Byzantine Empire. After the death of Stalin, all toponyms were translated into Turkish.
              2. Olegovi4
                Olegovi4 16 August 2017 06: 24
                0
                Quote: garnik
                I will say more, in 21, Bolshevik Russia (ruled Trotsky) and the Turks

                But who prevented you from defining boundaries yourself in such colorful ways ?! but they couldn’t, because they are weaklings and rotten. so what whine then ?!
                1. garnik
                  garnik 16 August 2017 10: 08
                  +2
                  Just your koment is rotten meat.
            2. armenk
              armenk 15 August 2017 12: 43
              +4
              You know, a lot of things are written on the fence too. a lot of hacks .. and they write different things .. it’s sad that, on the inscriptions on the fence, they draw conclusions about the whole people.
              And that Russia has betrayed you

              they write something like that .. because sometimes it’s hard to explain certain moments to ordinary people. like the same story with a downed plane.
              And what the damned Russia Serzhika unwanted you forcibly set.

              I have not heard this, but what supports it for sure. I think that this is normal.
              And that in the 90s you would have erased the Azeri from the face of the earth, but again, Russia has prevented you.

              unlike the Azerbaijanis, no one was going to wash and cut anyone. you just had to point the point. under the patronage of Russia and others, a ceasefire agreement was signed between three parties (including the NKR). the saddest point is that no one condemns the violation of agreements targeted, which helps the offender to continue the killings at the border. at the moment we have what we have.
              And Russia has raised the price of electricity unfairly to you (what about the way with electricity prices in Germany?

              gas prices, for example, were more expensive than Ukraine, for example, which were tying this gas. and the topic with electricity, if you dig a little deeper at all, is very nice.
              if you move away from the topic, then electricity in Latvia is more expensive than in Germany and Norway and also it all looks so-so from the layman.
              And what do Russia just gave you to the Turks and sold

              let Russia itself decide with the Turks to the end, and then we will draw conclusions. while in Russian-Turkish flirting I see nothing good, at least for Russia itself.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 15 August 2017 16: 41
                0
                Quote: armenk
                unlike the Azerbaijanis, no one was going to wash and cut anyone.

                Open articles six months ago and read what they write from under the Armenian flags.

                you just had to point the point.

                It's great that you understand this, here I subscribe to your every word.
                gas prices, for example, were more expensive than Ukraine, for example, which were tying this gas. and the topic with electricity, if you dig a little deeper at all, is very nice.

                And here you are mistaken twice. Firstly, no one in Ukraine then drew gas; this is all an information war from the time of 2009. Gazprom hasn’t done much. Secondly, about more expensive gas prices - in 2013, for example, the price was about $ 400 per thousand cubic meters, in 2014 more than 500. And what were the prices in Armenia?

                if you move away from the topic, then electricity in Latvia is more expensive than in Germany and Norway and also it all looks so-so from the layman.

                There is nothing unusual, Germany is an industrialized country.
                And of course, electricity prices in Armenia are lower than in Russia. This is on imported energy carriers.
                1. White Brut
                  White Brut 16 August 2017 16: 25
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  And of course, electricity prices in Armenia are lower than in Russia. This is on imported energy carriers.

                  Interesting. In Armenia, the price of electricity is 360 rubles / kWh. And how many in Russia?
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 16 August 2017 21: 03
                    0
                    exactly 360 rubles? do not confuse anything? maybe 3.60?
                    1. White Brut
                      White Brut 17 August 2017 13: 07
                      0
                      Right Daytime 45 dram = 360 rubles., Night 35 dram = 280 rubles. but in Russia how much, just wondering?
                      1. White Brut
                        White Brut 17 August 2017 13: 50
                        +1
                        Oops mixed up, I'm sorry. 45 dram = 5,6 rub
  2. 210ox
    210ox 14 August 2017 07: 06
    +4
    This is either a fake, or in fact, rams have completely beguiled in Baku
  3. garnik
    garnik 14 August 2017 07: 59
    +3
    Unfortunately, war cannot be avoided. As long as the process of accumulation of weapons is underway. After the end of the Syrian war, the shelled so-called Turkoman will be ready to fight in the Caucasus, which is what the authorities of the so-called Azerbaijan. . As the saying goes, if war cannot be avoided, you must start it yourself. Alas.
    1. xasharat
      xasharat 15 August 2017 01: 34
      +1
      Quote: garnik
      authorities of the so-called Of Azerbaijan

      is this whom you call SO CALLED? Have you accidentally confused Azerbaijan with Armenia?
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. garnik
        garnik 15 August 2017 13: 58
        +2
        Why was my koment deleted? It seems everything was written correctly.
        Open your eyes and look at the picture of Comrade. xasharat. This is a map of Turan, which includes part of Russia.

        There is only one real Azerbaijan and it is located within Iran.
  4. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 August 2017 08: 30
    +2
    Fake however
  5. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 14 August 2017 09: 08
    +3
    Who owns Hebrew? Here is the source: http://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-595

    And about the adequacy of the Ministry of Defense of Baku, you are in vain, colleagues. If they were adequate, they would not use thugs (literally) both from Syria and from northern Cyprus occupied by the Turks.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 14 August 2017 09: 55
      +7
      I carefully read the message in the newspaper Maariv. The article in newsru.co.il quite correctly filed an informative series. The source has a small paragraph about the company Aeronautics Defense Systems, but this does not change the essence of the matter.
      As for fake, Yossi Melman is a journalist of the old school and known not only in Israel, but in the world, the author of numerous investigative journalism and a dozen books. (From myself, I just note that he and the leftist of the old school, and quite a few korushki spoiled the supporters of the right-wing camp with his publications in the left-orientation newspaper Haaretz, where he worked for 20 years.)
  6. FLOOD
    FLOOD 14 August 2017 09: 22
    +3
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Who owns Hebrew? Here is the source: http://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-595

    And about the adequacy of the Ministry of Defense of Baku, you are in vain, colleagues. If they were adequate, they would not use thugs (literally) both from Syria and from northern Cyprus occupied by the Turks.

    Do you have infa about the use of Syrians and Turkoman against anyone on the side of Azerbaijanis?
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 09: 25
      0
      Do you have infa about the use of Syrians and Turkoman against anyone on the side of Azerbaijanis?


      This is written by users of social networks from Baku. Plus, the handwriting is similar - tortured the elderly from the village of Talish, as is customary for scumbags from the "Iblis state." And according to official statistics, many immigrants from the Republic of Azerbaijan fought and are fighting in Syria. Many of them have already laid down their lush heads.
      And what, in fact, is so surprising? The tradition of using the “Mujahideen” and other dushmans against the Armenians was laid down by the pope of the current president, Heydar Aliyev, when he invited thugs from Afghanistan to fight in Karabakh.
  7. Yalquzaq1
    Yalquzaq1 14 August 2017 11: 50
    +3
    The Azerbaijani military, hoping to organize a public television broadcast, expressed a desire to see them in action in real combat conditions, but was refused by UAV operators.
    And yet the Azerbaijani military asked the operators to demonstrate the 7.40 dance popular in Azerbaijan, whether the operators fulfilled this request under pressure from the delegation’s leaders — this remained a mystery wassat laughing
  8. Naughty
    Naughty 14 August 2017 12: 42
    +2
    Quote: Yalquzaq1
    The Azerbaijani military, hoping to organize a public television broadcast, expressed a desire to see them in action in real combat conditions, but was refused by UAV operators.
    And yet the Azerbaijani military asked the operators to demonstrate the 7.40 dance popular in Azerbaijan, whether the operators fulfilled this request under pressure from the delegation’s leaders — this remained a mystery wassat laughing


    When will the Armenians deal not with deTski with the Azerbaijanis? I think the Armenians there for a week of hostilities And all! .... Azerbaijan will scatter The main thing is not to Moscow laughing
  9. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 14 August 2017 13: 28
    +2
    This is great. Our partner Azerbaijan was going to test drones against the goals of our allies in Armenia
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 August 2017 19: 09
      0
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      Our partner Azerbaijan was going to test drones against the goals of our allies in Armenia

      In general, countries fight. And deaths happen there quite often.

      On August 14, at about 11:00, in the combat position of one of the Armenian occupying military units deployed in the north-eastern part of Karabakh, a soldier received a mortal gunshot wound Arman Samvelovich Movsisyan Born in 1998, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia reports.
      1. garnik
        garnik 14 August 2017 21: 02
        +1
        In war, as in war. A week ago, two askers died. So what? Surnames can be found in opposition media. And so everything is fine, life goes on. It’s better to write how the askers arrived. That they switched from donkeys to colleagues. Http://haqqinaz.com/v-azerbajdzhansko
        j-armii-troe-soldat-iznasilovali-celyj-vzvod-a-eg
        o-komandirov-rasstrelyali /
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 15 August 2017 12: 28
          0
          Quote: garnik
          Two askers died a week ago. So what?

          Quote: garnik
          And there are often deaths.

          I kind of wrote here that death is only on one side, therefore NOTHING.
          Quote: garnik
          what with donkey

          donkeys themes of Karabakh Armenians)))
      2. armenk
        armenk 15 August 2017 10: 56
        +2
        all countries are at war

        In general, Azerbaijan put its signatures on a ceasefire.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 15 August 2017 12: 28
          0
          Quote: armenk
          In general, Azerbaijan put its signatures on a ceasefire.

          Well, this is the first Armenians))) and the same thing is said on the contrary Armenians))
          1. armenk
            armenk 15 August 2017 12: 46
            +3
            you read the news carefully, wise guy.
  10. MMX
    MMX 14 August 2017 19: 11
    +1
    This is what I understand, a business conversation. Well, what is there to shoot different targets at the training ground. Not seriously, this is not solid. It’s better to immediately gasp in the neighbors ...

    P.S. Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry had to be asked to have a couple of brand new Israeli F-35s run on Armenian targets, so that they wouldn’t get up twice.
  11. Pavel Fomenko
    Pavel Fomenko 14 August 2017 20: 14
    +1
    Well, we just decided to maintain a neutral position .... Although it is obvious that Armenia seized the lands of Azerbaijan. And soon retaliation will occur for all civilians killed by Armenians.
    1. garnik
      garnik 14 August 2017 20: 34
      +2
      Oh, Fomenko, Fomenko, unless of course you are. Well, why don't you go to Wikipedia at least.
    2. armenk
      armenk 15 August 2017 10: 59
      +3
      Pavel Fomenko oglu, it’s obvious that you are talking nonsense.
  12. White Brut
    White Brut 16 August 2017 16: 37
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    You need to return the territory before it is too late.

    We also had people who thought so, but that was until April 2016.
  13. Professor
    Professor 17 August 2017 14: 29
    0
    Quote: armenk
    if you are from Armenia and have found the end of 80x, the beginning of 90x, I think you know the situation that was there - in the blockade, after the earthquake, the war, the collapse of the union with all the ensuing economic consequences. this is the reason why many Jews, Russians, including Armenians, left those places. regarding anti-Semitism, to be honest, I haven’t seen such a thing especially in Armenia among Armenians either. Of course, there are enough freaks, but if you compare with other places where I managed to visit and live, I can say that if there is anti-Semitism in Armenia, then what about the Baltic states, Russia, Germany, Spain, Austria, Sweden, etc.? Well, let's be honest that there are few countries where they “love” Jews, and it’s not just that. and if things that take place in other places do not go through in Armenia, this does not mean that there is anti-Semitism, but that there are enough of their own, to put it mildly, “not stupid”.

    What does the end of 1980's and the beginning of 1990's have to do with it? Jews in neighboring Georgia live 2600 years. There were Jewish communities in all countries of the region. In all but one. Armenia. There are few Jews who love Jews, but Armenians "loved" Jews so much that not a single Jew stayed there. In the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland and even Iran, they were delayed, but not in Armenia. That says it all.
    By the way, Armenians are also few countries where they “love” and “it’s not just like that”, but in Israel there is an Armenian community, and in Armenia there has never been a Jewish community and now

    Quote: armenk
    here I agree with you in many ways. only comparing Armenia with Israel, I mean something else - that it is possible to resist the majority in the minority, that the quantity is not always quality, and that the presence of weapons does not imply the ability to use it wisely.

    In this you are right, but with one caveat. A minority in danger should rally, and not scatter to neighboring countries.

    Quote: armenk
    mainly due to those who left the former USSR (again they left, in search of a better life)

    Not certainly in that way. In search of a better life, Jews in Vienna boarded a plane to the United States, and repatriates from the United States to Israel did not go far in search of a “better life” in your understanding. They are driven by an idea. Israel tripled its population in the first 26 years of independence when there was no mass emigration from the USSR. Unfortunately, the population of Armenia is decreasing.
    Quote: armenk
    Israel created for 26 years of independence
    I never doubted the ability of the Jews. I wanted to pay attention to a couple of "buts":
    1) Israel didn’t invest a penny in the education of those who came from the USSR — namely, these people brought a lot of skills and technologies that were developed by the whole union.
    2) considerable annual multibillion injections into the economy and army of Israel.

    This is a cliche. Mass emigration to Israel began at the end of the 1980, the Israeli Technion Institute of Technology was founded in the 1924 year. And now, for example, there is not a single teacher with a Soviet education at the Aviation Department in Technion. Soviet specialists gave an impetus to the Israeli economy only at the end of the 1990's.

    Regarding multi-billion infusions, they are not so multi-billion and they only began in the 1969 year. There is more harm than good today from this "help". By the way, billions of dollars are being poured into Armenia ...

    Quote: armenk
    You need to return the territory before it is too late.
    I think that is impossible.

    Well then, you urgently need to hollow out deep bomb shelters in tuff. sad
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 17 August 2017 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      There were Jewish communities in all countries of the region. In all but one. Armenia.

      The professor is enough here Israeli training manuals with a lie to quote to unaware people there are few Jews in Armenia but there are.
      Jewish community of Armenia
      Today, the vast majority of Jews currently living in Armenia are Ashkenazi. Basically, these are people who came to Armenia from different republics of the former USSR. The first settlers arrived in the mid-30s, after which, during the Second World War, Jews were evacuated to Armenia. In the 70s, Jewish “refuseniks” also moved to Armenia, because, as they themselves said, there was no anti-Semitism. Before the collapse of the USSR, more than 10 thousand Jews lived in Armenia.
      Currently, the number of Jews living in Armenia varies between 800-900 people. Jews mainly live in Yerevan, Vanadzor, Gyumri. In Sevan there is a community of Jews, Russians by nationality. There are very few of them left, mostly elderly people.

      Jewry living in Armenia today is 99% of mixed marriages: mostly Jewish wives, Armenian husbands. Sometimes the opposite. Two communities operate in Yerevan - the Jewish Community of Armenia (EOA) led by Rimma Varzhapetyan-Feller and the Jewish Religious Center “Mordechai Navi”, headed by Rabbi Gershon Burshtein.

      http://hayasanews.com/evrei-arm2/
      About us-Chairman of the Jewish community of Armenia


      Although, in principle, you cannot expect a professor from you apart from citing manuals, you are not used to misinforming people, to put it mildly lol
    2. White Brut
      White Brut 17 August 2017 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Professor
      but in Armenia there has never been Jewish and not now

      You would have decided, fellow countryman, it was not and is not, then
      Quote: Professor
      about half were "Russians"

      And what about
      Quote: Professor
      But more problems were with my Slavic appearance

      I have children of Slavic appearance and no problems.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 17 August 2017 15: 51
        0
        Quote: Brut

        Quote: Professor
        but in Armenia there has never been Jewish and not now


        You would have decided, fellow countryman, it was not and is not, then

        But how can our professor decide? After all, the main thing for him is the manuals that the rabbis give him and the fact that in fact there are Jews in Armenia is very at odds with the "lie" that he is ordered to say. Here he is now "poor fellow" and in doubt and he has nothing to say lol
      2. Professor
        Professor 17 August 2017 19: 26
        0
        Quote: Brut
        You would have decided, fellow countryman, it was not and is not, then

        And there is nothing to be determined. At what address are the synagogues in Yerevan and Gyumri located? Here is the answer. fellow

        Quote: Brut
        I have children of Slavic appearance and no problems.

        Urus corn do not shout to them? Do not throw stones at them? So they are lucky.
    3. armenk
      armenk 17 August 2017 18: 47
      +1
      In all but one. Armenia.

      you are not right. the community was and is. really not big.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%
      D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%
      D0%B5%D0%B2_%D0%B2_%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD
      % D0% B8% D0% B8

      but in Israel there is an Armenian community

      she was there before the creation of your state and before the mess in the Middle East that appeared after.

      They are driven by an idea

      all of us are driven by an idea - whether it is spiritual or material ... you, too, were driven by the idea when you left Armenia. I’ll assume that you were partly looking for a homeland, but in this place you were looking for better conditions.
      and if we talk about modern repatriates, they are not following the ideas that those who were at the forefront. I think that with the same success they will move to another place where it will be calmer or better.

      A minority in danger should rally, and not scatter to neighboring countries.

      I can’t but agree here. and take off my hat to your people.

      Mass emigration to Israel began in the late 1980s

      here you are mistaken. mass Jewish emigration from the USSR began in 1971. for the period up to 88 more than 290 thousand people left. True, a significant part of them settled in the United States. but for Israel with a population of the order of 3 million in the 70s, even 200 thousand newcomers is a very tangible increase. the second wave was more voluminous and began in the early nineties.

      Regarding multi-billion infusions, they are not so multi-billion and they only began in 1969.


      Oh well
      In1969, aid was allocated in the amount of $ 160,3 million. In 1971, the volume of aid increased several times at once and amounted to $ 634,3 million. The second sharp rise occurred after the Doomsday War. In 1974, the United States provided a $ 982,7 million military loan, and for the first time provided a $ 1,5 billion military grant.

      And then the amount continued to increase. From 1975 to 1980, the United States provided Israel with $ 2,9 billion in economic grants. Together with loans, it amounted to $ 4,7 billion. About a billion a year - this covered about 45% of the negative balance of payments of Israel. In 1980-1984, the United States switched exclusively to non-repayable financing, providing Israel with another $ 3,2 billion. In total, from 1970 to 1984, Israel received economic loans and grants worth $ 8 billion.

      Since 1985, the United States has not given loans to Israel anymore, but has completely switched to irrevocable financing of military expenses and covering losses associated with the operation of an overgrown military complex.

      Over the 11 years, from 1985 to 1996, the United States provided military assistance in the amount of $ 19,3 billion and economic aid in the amount of $ 18,8 billion. In the period from 1997 to 2002, the US allocated military grants in the amount of $ 12,5 billion. In 2000, the amount of aid for the first time exceeded $ 3 billion, amounting to $ 3,1 billion.

      Well then, you urgently need to hollow out deep bomb shelters in tuff.

      civil defense facilities are being modernized
      1. Professor
        Professor 17 August 2017 19: 39
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        Quote: armenk
        you are not right. the community was and is. really not big.

        This is not a community. A handful of immigrants in mixed marriages. I already asked about the address of the synagogue in Gyumri and Yerevan ... Do you know how many synagogues are in Azerbaijan and Georgia? And the fact that in the days of the USSR Jews lived on the territory of Armenia is so obvious. My father served there. Its hundreds of co-workers too. With such success, then the Uzbeks lived in Armenia. Only now there was no community.

        Quote: armenk
        she was there before the creation of your state and before the mess in the Middle East that appeared after.

        There has always been unrest here, but we do not give offense to the Armenian community, despite the fact that, to put it mildly, it is not very loyal to Israel.

        Quote: armenk
        here you are mistaken.

        I’m not mistaken at all. You count not those who left, but those who arrived. Nevertheless, during the 26 years of independence, this Soviet emigration did not manage to do anything at all.

        Quote: armenk
        Oh well

        This topic has been chewed 100500 times. As I wrote, help began only in the 1969 year, and before that, the American embargo generally existed. Today, this assistance is only about 1% of our GDP. In gratitude, our defense industry is losing many times more.

        Quote: armenk
        civil defense facilities are being modernized

        These are probably such secret works that I did not notice them at all during my visit to Armenia.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 17 August 2017 21: 45
          0
          Quote: Professor
          I already asked about the address of the synagogue in Gyumri and Yerevan ...

          So you're a professor, as a half-Jew, you should know where the synagogue is in Yerevan, if you were there of course, but you really weren’t in which Germany and Singapore you were, and only tell us tales in which no one believes for a long time because you are constantly being caught to say the least laughing Here is the address of the synagogue in Yerevan for our "scientist" lol
          Jewish Religious Community of Armenia Mordechai Navi
          Armenia, Yerevan, Nar-Dosi street, 23
          http://www.spr.am/erevan-i-erevanskiy-marz/evreys
          kaya-religioznaya-obschina-armenii-mordehay-navi.
          html
          MORDECHAY NAVI SYNAGOGUE YEREVAN


          Our scientist again showed his complete ignorance lol
          To school professor to school laughing
  14. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 09: 39
    0
    Quote: Professor
    What does the end of 1980's and the beginning of 1990's have to do with it? Jews in neighboring Georgia live 2600 years. There were Jewish communities in all countries of the region. In all but one. Armenia. There are few Jews who love Jews, but Armenians "loved" Jews so much that not a single Jew stayed there. In the Baltic states, Ukraine, Poland and even Iran, they were delayed, but not in Armenia. That says it all.
    By the way, Armenians are also few countries where they “love” and “it’s not just like that”, but in Israel there is an Armenian community, and in Armenia there has never been a Jewish community and now

    Well ... How would I say, so that it is softer ... In short, collective farm in relation to the knowledge of the history of its people does not justify anything. So I will share a little of my knowledge. Jews, being cosmopolitans of that time, made up a considerable share of the population of Armenian cities before R.H. Another major resettlement to Armenia was during the time of the Armenian king Tigran II the Great, who, fighting with Rome, came to Palestine and stole about 80 thousand Jews. Tigran settled them in the region of Nakhichevan (Nakhichevan). By the way, according to etymology, Nakhijevan is the first post-flood city on earth, since the Armenian literal translation sounds like "the place of Noah’s landing." So, Jews did not live in Armenia, living side by side with the Armenian people, until by the 14th century they had assimilated. Imagine this happens. Do not believe me - read and listen to E.Ya. Satanovsky. Plus, this is confirmed by the data of archeology, since after the 14th century in Armenia, tombstones of Jewish burials were not found. After this time, Jews almost never met in Armenia until the Soviet era. Then in Armenia and especially in Yerevan there lived many Jewish specialists - doctors, teachers, etc. But then the collapse of the Union, the 1988 earthquake, the war, the blockade - all this contributed to the immigration of Jews from Armenia. Who is in Russia, who is in Israel, who is where ... Also played a role in the outflow of Jews and Russians from Armenia, the translation of documents in Armenian. Actually, that's all.
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 August 2017 10: 29
      0
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Well ... how to say, so that softer ...

      What are the addresses of the synagogues of the three largest cities in Armenia and end this dispute.

      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Speaking of the anti-Semitism that you are hinting at, this has never happened among Armenians. Armenians are one of the few nations that have never experienced fear or apprehension towards Jews.

      And therefore, is Armenia the only country in the region where there were no Jewish communities? Name at least one public figure of Armenia a Jew. The scientist of Armenia is a Jew. Come on? wink

      Quote: ButchCassidy
      All the negative connected with the attitude towards the Jews is connected only with the position of Israel in relation to the Armenian Genocide.

      I lived in Armenia from the end of the 1970's. Then no one discussed the Genocide at the international level, and domestic anti-Semitism was simply heaps.

      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Moreover, it could be understood if Israel simply did not recognize the tragedy of the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire so as not to spoil relations with the Turks. However, Israel always takes out the tragedy and pain of the Armenian people from under the cloth when relations with the Turks deteriorate, threatening the Turks with recognizing the Armenian Genocide as a club. Those. not to mention the fact that Jews should understand what happened with the Armenians, Israel uses the Armenian Genocide to use in its foreign policy interests. What is the height of cynicism. Which could be forgiven to anyone but the Jews.

      To acknowledge, or not to acknowledge, this is our sovereign matter. This is the first. No one in Israel disputes the fact of genocide. This is the second. The Israeli Knesset Committee recognized the Armenian Genocide. This is the third. We do not require anyone to acknowledge the Holocaust. Not negation is enough for us. This is the fourth. Our relations with Baku are our sovereign right, just as your relations with the Islamic State of Iran are your right. This is the fifth.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 10: 52
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        Quote: Professor
        Israeli Knesset Committee recognizes Armenian Genocide


        Oyts, oyts, oyts! Do I still need to explain to you that the Israeli Knesset Committee on Education, Culture and Sport is still not the Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defense? Especially not the level of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, or how is A. Liberman’s defense now?

        The Turks say the same thing - “what happened to the Armenians” is a question of historians. In the case of Israel, is the Armenian Genocide a matter of “culture” or “sport”? Or maybe "education"?
      2. White Brut
        White Brut 18 August 2017 11: 40
        0
        You are confused thinking
        Quote: Professor
        domestic anti-Semitism was just heaps

        and as confirmation saying
        Quote: Professor
        Urus corn do not shout to them?

        because this expression refers to Russians, and not to Jews and to anti-Semitism has nothing to do. I sometimes call my daughter so, this is not a curse. I am very sorry that childish pranks on our earth left such an injury in your heart.
        Quote: Professor
        To admit, or not to acknowledge this is our sovereign matter.

        and no one argues with this, only
        Quote: ButchCassidy
        Which could be forgiven to anyone but the Jews.

        it is said perfectly well, because no one on earth knows what genocide is like Armenians and Jews.
        Quote: Professor
        We do not require anyone to acknowledge the Holocaust. Not negation is enough for us.

        U.S. too. But not to admit it is to deny, is it not so? Or do you admit the fact of the Genocide or deny it, what could be a third party?
        1. Professor
          Professor 18 August 2017 12: 21
          0
          Quote: Brut
          because this expression refers to Russians, and not to Jews and to anti-Semitism has nothing to do. I sometimes call my daughter so, this is not a curse. I am very sorry that childish pranks on our earth left such an injury in your heart.

          Tell how the Armenians "lyuby" called the Jews? I think you yourself are in the know.

          Quote: Brut
          it is said perfectly well, because no one on earth knows what genocide is like Armenians and Jews.

          1. The word genocide was indeed coined by a Jew.
          2. Unfortunately, many peoples survived similar tragedies and not only Armenians and Jews. Nevertheless, the Holocaust has no precedent in history, both in terms of systematics, volumes and territorial coverage.
          3. Jews and Armenians are similar in that they do not allow themselves or others to forget about their tragedy.

          Quote: Brut
          But not to admit it is to deny, is it not so? Or do you admit the fact of the Genocide or deny it, what could be a third party?

          No, this is not the same thing. For example, the Armenian parliament did not recognize the fact of the Holocaust. However, this makes us neither cold nor hot. On the other hand, in turn, it is strange for Armenia to demand from the Knesset the recognition of the fact of the Armenian genocide, especially since the Knesset commission recognized it. Moreover, the EMNIP of all 25 countries from 200 recognized the Armenian Genocide. Why is your anger directed specifically at us, and not say the Islamic State of Iran? Persians recognized genocide?

          Quote: ButchCassidy
          ButchCassidy Today, 10: 40
          Quote: Professor
          What are the addresses of the synagogues of the three largest cities in Armenia and end this dispute.
          Actually, I already answered all these questions in my first message, which you stole into quotes.

          See, everything is simple. There is not a single synagogue, but in ALL neighboring countries there are. There, the Jews did not "assimilate", but sometimes lived happily, sometimes not very, but retained their culture, identity, religion. Armenia is an exception. If you think the Jews were there, then someone brought them to nothing.

          Quote: ButchCassidy
          You are cunning in saying that the Knesset does not deny the fact of Genocide. He also denies, saying roughly the same thing that the Turks say: you know, yes, what happened to the Armenians is very sad, but it’s not genocide (according to the definition of R. Lemkin, who created this term for the legal designation of what happened first of all (according to the chronology) of what happened to the Armenians, and then to the Jews), and all the more so what happened to the Armenians in no way can even be compared with the Holocaust. And all the officials say this - take at least Lieberman, at least Peres ...

          I do not dissemble. The Knesset does not deny. Can you give a fact to the contrary? No one says that what happened to the Armenians is not genocide. As far as I remember, in the 2015, the Knesset delegation visited Armenia, and before that, Yosi Sarid (official) personally recognized the Armenian Genocide.
          The incident with the Armenians cannot be compared with the Holocaust neither in terms of volume, nor in methodology, nor in territorial scope. Jews in the Holocaust were destroyed not only by Germans and not only in Germany or Europe. Therefore, I absolutely agree with Lieberman and Peres in this part. I won’t even ask how the Armenians of Jerusalem, who lived in the Ottoman Empire in 1915, survived, how all the Armenian churches in the territory of the future Israel were saved, the EMNIP and then Lebanon and Syria. Let's leave this topic on this thread.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 16: 39
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            Quote: Professor
            I do not dissemble. The Knesset does not deny. Can you give a fact to the contrary?

            http://www.e-ices.org/russian/news/textid:14126/
            http://www.vzglyad.az/news.php?id=35721
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Отношение_к_геноцид
            y_armian_in_Israel
            http://inosmi.ru/social/20160504/236399056.html
            https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1915046.html

            Quote: Professor
            The incident with the Armenians cannot be compared with the Holocaust either in terms of volume, methodology, or territorial scope. Jews in the Holocaust were destroyed not only by Germans and not only in Germany or Europe. Therefore, I absolutely agree with Liberman and Peres in this part.


            So everything is known in this world in comparison. Volumes, methodology and coverage are just individual features, taking into account the time, place and development of technological progress (no matter how bitter and cynical it sounds), like any genocide. Features related to the more than 2000-year-old dispersal of Jews (territorial coverage), while the Armenian diaspora actually appeared after the Armenian Genocide. Methodicality - so the Germans in all methodical of all. Although this is a moot point, because the organization of the Genocide took place with the participation of German military advisers, both during the time of Abdul-Hamid and the days of the Young Turks. The Turks drew 600 thousand Armenians to the army - almost the male population, which could resist. Then they were all destroyed, having previously disarmed, even those who bravely fought on the side of the Turks in WWI. Believe not methodically? I’m not saying that the Turks also had their own Mengele (considered the founder of Turkish microbiology) and “gas chambers” and concentration camps, etc. Not only Turks participated in the extermination of Armenians, but also Caucasian Muhajirs, and the Kurds were distinguished by the most cruelty and volumes.

            In terms of volume, the Turks methodically destroyed the Armenians from 1894 to 1923. By the way, the last Armenian pogrom was in Istanbul in the 1970s, and separate hate killings are occurring now. Volume - so what are you comparing in volumes between two generations of events? Do not be destroyed by the Armenians of Ottoman Turkey (2 million at the end of the 2.5th - beginning of the 19th centuries, now - 20 thousand (!) How many would be by 60-1930?

            Moreover, I pointed out primarily not a comparison of the tragedies of Armenians and Jews, but the cynical and unacceptable position of Israel in using the Armenian Genocide to earn political dividends in relations with the Turks. It’s precisely in Israel that the position regarding what happened to the Armenians is not genocide, although it’s an oxymoron, if we take the history of the creation of the legal term “genocide” by Lemkin. But all this relates to the issues of "culture", "education" and "sport" in Israel, and therefore Israel’s moral position is acceptable. Everything is simple.
            1. Professor
              Professor 18 August 2017 22: 25
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              Quote: ButchCassidy
              Quote: Professor
              I do not dissemble. The Knesset does not deny. Can you give a fact to the contrary?
              http://www.e-ices.org/russian/news/textid:14126/
              http://www.vzglyad.az/news.php?id=35721
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Отношение_к_геноцид
              y_armian_in_Israel
              http://inosmi.ru/social/20160504/236399056.html
              https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1915046.html

              Well? Where is the Knesset denial of genocide here?

              What about the recognition by the Armenian parliament of the Holocaust?

              Quote: ButchCassidy
              Believe not methodically?

              Explain how the Armenians living in Jerusalem did not suffer. Why methodical the Turks did not destroy a single church here. Somehow strange you bypass uncomfortable questions.

              Quote: ButchCassidy
              Moreover, I pointed out, first of all, not a comparison of the tragedies of Armenians and Jews, but a cynical and unacceptable position of Israel in using the Armenian Genocide to earn political dividends in relations with the Turks.

              Armenian parliament recognized Holocaust? When? Maybe you should take the first step yourself, and then demand recognition from others. Why do you systematically desecrate the memorial to the victims of the Holocaust and not prosecute anyone? Why more than one and a half hundred countries did not recognize the Armenian genocide, but your claims are directed to us, and this despite the fact that no Jew denies the fact of genocide and even the Knesset Commission officially recognized him?

              Quote: ButchCassidy
              It is precisely in Israel that the position that the incident with the Armenians is not genocide, although it is an oxymoron, if we take the history of the creation of the legal term “genocide” by Lemkin, is brought to the admissibility of this.

              It's a lie. Give a link to the statements of Israel that what happened to the Armenians is not genocide.

              Quote: ButchCassidy
              But all this relates to the issues of "culture", "education" and "sport" in Israel, and therefore Israel’s moral position is acceptable. Everything is simple.

              Which of the commissions of the Armenian parliament recognized the Holocaust? No? So what?
              And again, despite the fact that you yourself did not do anything good, either for the Jews or for Israel. Nothing. In neighboring Georgia, Jews have lived for more than 2600 years (more than 150 generations) and the Jews have not “assimilated” there so much that there are not even ruins of synagogues, not to mention the Jewish community. The same is in Azerbaijan. Behind Spitak there are caves of primitive people. They are well preserved, but the Armenians kept the synagogues so carefully that they did not even have ruins. What a ruin. Not a single stone is left. At the same time, you all have the audacity to demand for us to quarrel with you for countries that have given us shelter for thousands of years when we were deprived of our Homeland and that was when your parliament didn’t hit a finger to recognize the Holocaust despite the fact that you have nothing not threatened by Germany. Maybe the Armenians of Israel have become so loyal citizens that now it is our moral duty to take care of Armenia? Maybe they finally went to serve in Tzahal? Not? Then, before making a claim, look in the mirror, dear.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 18 August 2017 10: 30
      +1
      I can say one thing. My experience with Armenians is very rich. Jews and Armenians respect each other, a rare quality in modern times. I think because they stand each other.
  15. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 09: 53
    +1
    Quote: quilted jacket
    http://www.spr.am/erevan-i-erevanskiy-marz/evreys
    kaya-religioznaya-obschina-armenii-mordehay-navi.
    html

    I clicked on the “driving directions”, the pointer indicated a vacant lot. That is, there is no structure there. It's not good to fool people like that. wassat
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 18 August 2017 10: 20
      0
      There are no synagogues there now. Was yes swam. And so I already perfectly understood to issue unverified links for truth from this person in the order of things. The image is such a Don Quixote.
  16. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 10: 03
    0
    Quote: Professor
    By the way, Armenians are also few countries where they “love” and “it’s not just like that”, but in Israel there is an Armenian community, and in Armenia there has never been a Jewish community and now


    For some reason, you don’t specify that the Armenians live in the Holy Land for about 2 thousand years, i.e. long before the formation of modern Israel, and the fourth part of the historical center of Jerusalem is the Armenian quarter. Armenians have been living there since Christianity appeared on earth.

    Speaking of the anti-Semitism that you are hinting at, this has never happened among Armenians. Armenians are one of the few nations that have never experienced fear or apprehension towards Jews. Apparently, this is why Jews assimilated in Armenia by the 14th century. All the negative connected with the attitude towards the Jews is connected only with the position of Israel in relation to the Armenian Genocide. Moreover, it could be understood if Israel simply did not recognize the tragedy of the Ottoman Armenians in order not to spoil relations with the Turks. However israel always he takes out the tragedy and pain of the Armenian people from under the cloth when relations with the Turks worsen, threatening the Turks with the recognition of the Armenian Genocide as a club. Those. not to mention that the Jews should understand what happened to the Armenians, Israel uses The Armenian Genocide for use in their foreign policy interests. What is the height of cynicism. Which could be forgiven to anyone but the Jews.

    Naturally, the sale of weapons to Baku does not add to the positives, but this is a trifle compared to the first question.
  17. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 10: 04
    +1
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Do you have infa about the use of Syrians and Turkoman against anyone on the side of Azerbaijanis?


    This is written by users of social networks from Baku. Plus, the handwriting is similar - tortured the elderly from the village of Talish, as is customary for scumbags from the "Iblis state." And according to official statistics, many immigrants from the Republic of Azerbaijan fought and are fighting in Syria. Many of them have already laid down their lush heads.
    And what, in fact, is so surprising? The tradition of using the “Mujahideen” and other dushmans against the Armenians was laid down by the pope of the current president, Heydar Aliyev, when he invited thugs from Afghanistan to fight in Karabakh.

    Oh, what are you saying ?!)))) Do not tell my slippers, and the Armenians themselves fought there, huh?)))
  18. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 10: 11
    +1
    Quote: Brut
    Quote: Professor
    You need to return the territory before it is too late.

    We also had people who thought so, but that was until April 2016.

    There will be a lot of such April, and in the course of it will be more painful than all the previous ones. People have enough of their own problems, and if a war starts, at any outcome (ANYWHERE!), Armenia will be a worse, worse, and catastrophically injured party. Karabakh is not worth interfering here, since it is definitely our land and we will rebuild it!
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 10: 27
      0
      Quote: TUFAN
      There will be a lot of such April, and in the course of it will be more painful than all the previous ones. People have enough of their own problems, and if a war starts, at any outcome (ANYWHERE!), Armenia will be a worse, worse, and catastrophically injured party. Karabakh is not worth interfering here, since it is definitely our land and we will rebuild it!


      Listen better to the former deputy minister of defense Az.R. Isa Sadigova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiUgeccOwPE

      PS In general, it is ridiculous that you believe that a people in whose language “build” and “sew” use one word (because “build a house” in the nomad’s language means “sew a yurt”) in general, there may be a sense of the native land. This happened more than once when the Armenians had not yet begun to advance, and the inhabitants of neighboring Azerbaijani villages silently began to pack up and leave. On this occasion, the material of everyone and everything is still Heydar Aliyev. Learn the materiel.
    2. White Brut
      White Brut 18 August 2017 12: 44
      0
      We will see
  19. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 10: 14
    0
    Quote: TUFAN
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Do you have infa about the use of Syrians and Turkoman against anyone on the side of Azerbaijanis?


    This is written by users of social networks from Baku. Plus, the handwriting is similar - tortured the elderly from the village of Talish, as is customary for scumbags from the "Iblis state." And according to official statistics, many immigrants from the Republic of Azerbaijan fought and are fighting in Syria. Many of them have already laid down their lush heads.
    And what, in fact, is so surprising? The tradition of using the “Mujahideen” and other dushmans against the Armenians was laid down by the pope of the current president, Heydar Aliyev, when he invited thugs from Afghanistan to fight in Karabakh.

    Oh, what are you saying ?!)))) Do not tell my slippers, and the Armenians themselves fought there, huh?)))

    Yes, they have already heard these tales, whirling like dervishes, are told in Baku, trying to attribute their defeat in Karabakh to the help of the "super-duper Russian paratroopers." The balance of power in which the Armenians piled on the Transcaucasian Turks (the so-called Azerbaijanis until the 1930s): 150 thousand Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic against 9 million of the population of Azerbaijan (NK was cut off from mainland Armenia for most of the war), tanks, small arms, aviation, MLRS, ammunition - all in hundreds, or even tens of thousands of times, were in Baku’s favor. And everyone knows that. As it was, for example, with ammunition - after the Union on the territory of the former. The Azerbaijan SSR left tens of thousands of wagons of various ammunition. All this, neither in NK, nor in Armenia. But this Baku did not help, because Armenians are much better warriors than Azerbaijanis. And now there is no situation where Baku can more than make up for its military defeats by cutting out the peaceful Armenian population. And in the situation of the army, the Armenians always won the army, and even in ratios reaching 1 to 10. But the Armenians always lost in the massacre of the civilian population. Now a unique situation, which has not been a hundred years. Therefore, Baku will never win.
  20. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 10: 40
    0
    Quote: Professor
    What are the addresses of the synagogues of the three largest cities in Armenia and end this dispute.

    Actually, I already answered all these questions in my first message, which you stole into quotes. Yes, and now trying to lead into a logical trap))) I already wrote that the Jews assimilated by about the 14th century and until the Soviet era, you were practically not there. Without denying this, are you still trying to insist on your own and do not see any problems with logic here?

    You are cunning in saying that the Knesset does not deny the fact of Genocide. He also denies, saying roughly the same thing that the Turks say: you know, yes, what happened to the Armenians is very sad, but it’s not genocide (according to the definition of R. Lemkin, who created this term for the legal designation of what happened first of all (according to the chronology) of what happened to the Armenians, and then to the Jews), and all the more so what happened to the Armenians in no way can even be compared with the Holocaust. And all the officials say this - take at least Lieberman, at least Peres ...
  21. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 14: 04
    +1
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Quote: TUFAN
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Do you have infa about the use of Syrians and Turkoman against anyone on the side of Azerbaijanis?


    This is written by users of social networks from Baku. Plus, the handwriting is similar - tortured the elderly from the village of Talish, as is customary for scumbags from the "Iblis state." And according to official statistics, many immigrants from the Republic of Azerbaijan fought and are fighting in Syria. Many of them have already laid down their lush heads.
    And what, in fact, is so surprising? The tradition of using the “Mujahideen” and other dushmans against the Armenians was laid down by the pope of the current president, Heydar Aliyev, when he invited thugs from Afghanistan to fight in Karabakh.

    Oh, what are you saying ?!)))) Do not tell my slippers, and the Armenians themselves fought there, huh?)))

    Yes, they have already heard these tales, whirling like dervishes, are told in Baku, trying to attribute their defeat in Karabakh to the help of the "super-duper Russian paratroopers." The balance of power in which the Armenians piled on the Transcaucasian Turks (the so-called Azerbaijanis until the 1930s): 150 thousand Armenians of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic against 9 million of the population of Azerbaijan (NK was cut off from mainland Armenia for most of the war), tanks, small arms, aviation, MLRS, ammunition - all in hundreds, or even tens of thousands of times, were in Baku’s favor. And everyone knows that. As it was, for example, with ammunition - after the Union on the territory of the former. The Azerbaijan SSR left tens of thousands of wagons of various ammunition. All this, neither in NK, nor in Armenia. But this Baku did not help, because Armenians are much better warriors than Azerbaijanis. And now there is no situation where Baku can more than make up for its military defeats by cutting out the peaceful Armenian population. And in the situation of the army, the Armenians always won the army, and even in ratios reaching 1 to 10. But the Armenians always lost in the massacre of the civilian population. Now a unique situation, which has not been a hundred years. Therefore, Baku will never win.

    Forever behind the back of a Russian soldier, they hid and always whined.
    Times are not the same, soon everything will become clear. And for the Khojaly, answer in full.
  22. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: garnik
    The comrade didn’t write anything seditious to respond so aggressively. Do you know that as a result not a single square meter of Western Armenia is part of today's Armenia? I will say more, in 21 Bolshevik Russia (ruled Trotsky) and the Turks divided Armenia. The Turks got the territory which did not enter the Ottoman Empire before.
    Do not suspect the Armenians of ingratitude, They remember all the good. And they always considered and still consider the Russian people friendly. Unfortunately, the rulers were not always in their place. And yet, the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire, a consequence of the Armenians' support of the Russian army. The Russian media do not like to raise this topic. And so everything is fine, the Armenians hope that this will not happen again, against the background of the rapprochement between Russia and Turkey.

    The spin-boom chart is called)))
  23. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 14: 10
    +2

    Everlasting memory!
  24. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 14: 14
    +1
    Quote: IvanIvanov
    This is great. Our partner Azerbaijan was going to test drones against the goals of our allies in Armenia

    forgotten keyword - "Israeli"
  25. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 14: 19
    +1
    Quote: MMX
    This is what I understand, a business conversation. Well, what is there to shoot different targets at the training ground. Not seriously, this is not solid. It’s better to immediately gasp in the neighbors ...

    P.S. Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry had to be asked to have a couple of brand new Israeli F-35s run on Armenian targets, so that they wouldn’t get up twice.

    And did you believe in this nonsense?))
  26. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 16: 08
    0
    Quote: TUFAN
    Forever behind the back of a Russian soldier, they hid and always whined.
    Times are not the same, soon everything will become clear. And for the Khojaly, answer in full.

    Those. there is essentially nothing to say, so again the next repetition of the mantra "Garabag Bizimdir"? Who else did the Russian soldiers help)) Do you remember Shamanov with the paratroopers of the 328th paratrooper regiment?
  27. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 August 2017 16: 55
    0
    Quote: Professor
    See, everything is simple. There is not a single synagogue, but in ALL neighboring countries there are. There, the Jews did not "assimilate", but sometimes lived happily, sometimes not very, but retained their culture, identity, religion. Armenia is an exception. If you think the Jews were there, then someone brought them to nothing.


    I gave you a link to the source of information about the assimilation of Jews in Armenia - E.Ya. Satanovsky. Do you know who this is? Former head of the REC, president of the Middle East Institute, which is the former Institute for the Study of Israel.
    Leave ignorant lyrics and emotions, but rather study the question.
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 August 2017 18: 49
      0
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Quote: Professor
      See, everything is simple. There is not a single synagogue, but in ALL neighboring countries there are. There, the Jews did not "assimilate", but sometimes lived happily, sometimes not very, but retained their culture, identity, religion. Armenia is an exception. If you think the Jews were there, then someone brought them to nothing.


      I gave you a link to the source of information about the assimilation of Jews in Armenia - E.Ya. Satanovsky. Do you know who this is? Former head of the REC, president of the Middle East Institute, which is the former Institute for the Study of Israel.
      Leave ignorant lyrics and emotions, but rather study the question.

      I studied this question for 12 years in Armenia. Not only is there not a single synagogue in Armenia, but there are not even the ruins of ancient synagogues. Ruins also assimilated? But Satanovsky says a lot. he has such a job.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 22 August 2017 08: 30
        0
        Quote: Professor
        I studied this question for 12 years in Armenia. Not only is there not a single synagogue in Armenia, but there are not even the ruins of ancient synagogues. Ruins also assimilated? But Satanovsky says a lot. he has such a job.

        Probably sucks studied, do not you? I understand that by education - an archaeologist?
        Your words about Satanovsky are super. Indeed, what does a Jew understand in these Jews, who also specializes in Israel? Real, not Topvarovsky)))
      2. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 30 August 2017 14: 42
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Sitting at the remote control operators or not matters a lot. Azerbaijan will buy drones, arrange their production at home and use them for you, unfortunately. You need to drop the show-offs and quickly negotiate with Azerbaijan. We need a compromise.

        Kommersant: A major deal of the scandalous Israeli company with Azerbaijan has been blocked.
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3396922

        Apparently, the Israeli Defense Ministry decided that "all this is not without reason."
  28. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 August 2017 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Quote: TUFAN
    Forever behind the back of a Russian soldier, they hid and always whined.
    Times are not the same, soon everything will become clear. And for the Khojaly, answer in full.

    Those. there is essentially nothing to say, so again the next repetition of the mantra "Garabag Bizimdir"? Who else did the Russian soldiers help)) Do you remember Shamanov with the paratroopers of the 328th paratrooper regiment?

    And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))
    1. White Brut
      White Brut 18 August 2017 17: 12
      0
      Quote: TUFAN
      And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))

      Cooking, Cooking. And what about the presentation by the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel Isa Sadigov?

      “I am reporting to you that between April 2 and 6, the total losses of the personnel of the Armed Forces of the AR amounted to 558 killed and 1293 wounded military personnel. 58 of the wounded military personnel are in critical condition. Of the 558 dead military personnel, 52 cannot be identified."
      http://voskanapat.info/?p=25138&l=ru
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 22 August 2017 08: 32
      0
      Quote: TUFAN
      And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))

      Well forward. For more than 20 years already bizimdir. The most interesting thing is that many people believe in this nonsense. And what is convenient to breed: all the explanations of the problems in the country - the Armenians are to blame, you live badly, there is no water supply, etc. - So all the money for Garabag Bizimdir, the championships and festivals are gone, do not exact ...
  29. FLOOD
    FLOOD 21 August 2017 07: 30
    +1
    Quote: Brut
    Quote: TUFAN
    And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))

    Cooking, Cooking. And what about the presentation by the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel Isa Sadigov?

    “I am reporting to you that between April 2 and 6, the total losses of the personnel of the Armed Forces of the AR amounted to 558 killed and 1293 wounded military personnel. 58 of the wounded military personnel are in critical condition. Of the 558 dead military personnel, 52 cannot be identified."
    http://voskanapat.info/?p=25138&l=ru

    Hahaha do you even believe what you wrote? laughing
  30. FLOOD
    FLOOD 21 August 2017 07: 34
    +1
    Quote: Brut
    Quote: TUFAN
    And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))

    Cooking, Cooking. And what about the presentation by the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel Isa Sadigov?

    “I am reporting to you that between April 2 and 6, the total losses of the personnel of the Armed Forces of the AR amounted to 558 killed and 1293 wounded military personnel. 58 of the wounded military personnel are in critical condition. Of the 558 dead military personnel, 52 cannot be identified."
    http://voskanapat.info/?p=25138&l=ru

    At least you didn’t fall like this here, or they’ll laugh ... do you want to give some rotten fabricated article from voskanapat as evidence? I’ll give you a quote from our media that they put 5000 of yours there and on behalf of the head of your state, and you will believe it ??? laughing
  31. FLOOD
    FLOOD 22 August 2017 09: 01
    +1
    Quote: ButchCassidy
    Quote: TUFAN
    And Karabakh for any bizimdir, by the way, now this is no longer a secret, prepare to surrender Zangezur!)))

    Well forward. For more than 20 years already bizimdir. The most interesting thing is that many people believe in this nonsense. And what is convenient to breed: all the explanations of the problems in the country - the Armenians are to blame, you live badly, there is no water supply, etc. - So all the money for Garabag Bizimdir, the championships and festivals are gone, do not exact ...

    Soon a new "championship" will begin, and then the Festival will be!
  32. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 23 August 2017 16: 16
    0
    Quote: TUFAN
    Soon a new "championship" will begin, and then the Festival will be!

    Molon Labe.