Is it difficult to cross the red line? Then let's move this "line"?

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Today there is no person who would not be interested in politics to one degree or another. Just because politics is more and more interested in us. Whether we want it or not, but the confrontation between the two nuclear powers, the United States and the DPRK, is spoken on television, media reports speak to companies. Someone with caution, someone dismissive, someone with a mockery. But the topic is really serious.



Any sane person understands that in the case of the use of nuclear weapons, humanity will move to a completely new type of relationship. The horror that the Japanese experienced in 1945 year is not perceived today by horror. Just one of the "horror stories" that modern film distribution issues in large numbers every year. And footage chronicles, in which we see the results of the work of atomic bombs, for most of it is the movie. And, like any movie, the event will end. And then we will go all the same street. Let's go to your familiar world. We will do the usual things. Educate children and grandchildren. In the real world nothing will change ... Cinema ...



And the heads of those who are directly connected with nuclear weapons have a strong opinion that this weapon will never be applied. There are no idiots, especially among those who understand the destructive power of these weapons. Humanity, the pinnacle of the development of the living is not Earth! It will not allow self-destruction! Therefore, a strange name stuck for nuclear weapons - "Doomsday weapon". And the hope of the human mind received a different formulation, the "red line". The line that will never cross ...

For a long time, nuclear weapons are used more as a political weapon. A weapon that perfectly "cools the hot heads of hawks." Therefore, the development of these munitions went in one direction. Power leveling and development of delivery systems. “Doomsday Weapons” should be powerful and, when applied, deprive the enemy of the possibility to continue the war. The results of the application were considered, for the most part, by the damaging factors. By the ability to destroy military infrastructure and troops in foreign territory. A "response" to such an impact should give the machine. All sorts of "dead hands" and stuff. There was no opportunity to do it with “living hands” ...

Today, in the light of the confrontation between the United States and the DPRK, they began to consider a completely different version. The use of nuclear weapons by one of the parties, no matter what, will automatically cause irreparable damage to third countries. It is doubtful of course that the threats of the Koreans are feasible. Guam missiles are unlikely to reach, not to mention the main territory of the United States. And American missiles? Will they fly to the DPRK? And what about the other two nuclear powers? The damaging factors of a nuclear explosion will not only destroy Koreans, but also "affect" Russians in the Far East and Chinese in the border regions. Should we answer? Destroy the USA?

Be that as it may, the US military is also thinking about this issue. It's one thing North Koreans, the other Chinese and Russian. And Americans are very afraid of hitting their own country. Anyone. For Americans of war, the usual tele picture is more likely than killing people and destroying cities. And they must be somewhere far away. In Europe. In Asia. In Africa ... America as a "sacred cow." Inviolable.

Recently, a conference was held at the Mitchelov Aerospace Research Institute, at which exactly these issues were discussed. It is no secret that in private, such discussions have been going on for a long time. Moreover, they were conducted not only in the United States, but also in other nuclear countries. The weapon is expensive, but it cannot be used. And I want ... In order to save. Instead of hundreds of billions of dollars in the Iraq campaign, one could manage with hundreds of millions ... Economy.

The conference would not even be mentioned in the media if it were not for the fact that such private discussions for the first time reached the official level. For the first time, official representatives of the American army spoke about the use of nuclear weapons in a “new way”. And quite a high level. The Deputy Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Paul Selva.

"If the only thing we can offer the US president is a super-powerful weapon with a high level of indiscriminate defeat, then there is essentially nothing to offer the president."

I allow myself to retell the General’s speech in the “conclusive mode”. Just point by point.

The United States must return to the middle of the last century and begin developing low-power (like those used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) nuclear weapons. The army should have ammunition of various capacities in order to be able to respond quickly to emerging threats from non-nuclear states. And in order that their use does not cause a response in the "nuclear" neighbors, it is necessary to develop and adopt new rules and instructions for the use of "low-power" nuclear weapons.

"There must be will, military equipment and the possibility for their use. Without this, no deterrence is possible."

So, we have a fundamentally new approach on the part of the American command to the use of nuclear weapons. Now we are not talking about the very possibility of using. Now we are talking about the "new rules" and "new approaches." And all this “dish” is “seasoned” with ordinary words about the containment of China and Russia. True, in light of the recent statements by Trump, Iran and North Korea have also fallen into this company.

In Western countries, at the suggestion of the United States, the idea has long been established that a modern, high-tech, high-precision, and other "high" weapon is the guarantor of the rapid defeat of any enemy. For example, just look at the former brotherly country. "Idol" in the form of "Javelina" and other American "toys" there has long been the subject of universal worship. Most believe that as soon as the supply of these complexes begins, the war will end quickly.

That is why the average person has a completely reasonable thought. And why don't nuclear warheads be put on this most advanced weapon? After all, the blow will be inflicted, for example, on an underground bunker. Bomb arrived. Break through the shelter. Blew up inside. Destroyed the enemies and ... everything. On the surface, nothing will happen. And if you hit the enemy ships in the same way? Babahnul inside and the ship infected with radiation went to the bottom of the sea ...

It seems to me that it was on this opinion that General Selva decided to play. Support for such an approach to nuclear weapons is guaranteed not only by ordinary people, but also in Congress. American politicians always remember future elections. And in this situation, President Trump will be forced to consider this issue. Moreover, it will resolve the issue positively. Money for research in this area will be allocated. The army will receive another batch of modern weapons.

How to respond to us? And is it worth reacting to such statements at all? Alas, but it is necessary to react. Precisely because they are made by people quite knowledgeable and possessing power.

Imagine a hypothetical situation. The United States strikes a small-capacity nuclear weapons on our ally, with whom we have an agreement on mutual assistance. They just destroyed a city, a province or some small area. There simply destroyed military units. And radioactive contamination does not particularly threaten our territory. So what? Start the "last war"? Or do not care about all contracts and pretend that we "do not see the need to intervene in a local conflict"? I even present the headlines in this case. "Is planet Earth worth the city of N ...".

Nuclear countries have already changed the world. And they didn’t notice in their own ambitions that it continues to change without their participation. If not stronger. We "did not notice" the appearance of nuclear weapons in some countries. One of the main claims against the DPRK is “the creation of nuclear weapons” that violates international treaties. And why there were no such claims to Pakistan or India? Why did Israel quietly do this?

Today we saw a completely wild idea just recently. Nobody shouts about the speech of the official representative of the Pentagon. The military require nuclear weapons, which will be applied without destroying the entire social, political and economic infrastructure. Do not threaten to use, and apply. Just like another type of conventional ammunition. That’s all.

And then a simple question arises. And what about small countries? And how right is the North Korean leader, who at an accelerated pace creates his nuclear weapons? Is there any guarantee for such "babies" to remain in this world as states? What will be left of Cuba if the United States applies tactical nuclear weapons on its territory? And what will remain of any state in the Baltics if we apply there? What will be left of most European countries? After all, this is just tactical nuclear weapons! Only...

The "red line" that has kept the peace for so many years can be "moved" by the efforts of the United States. What I noticed, naturally, was also noticed by those who, as a matter of duty, dealt with defense issues in Russia, China, India, Israel and other nuclear countries. And small countries are thinking.

Probably, we are entering a new stage of historical development. Closer and closer "the use of bows and stone axes." Those who will be able to survive beyond the new "red line" ... On the stage of the "world theater" a "gun on the wall" appeared ... Interestingly, someone has calculated what the "act of the play" is now.
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  1. +9
    15 August 2017 06: 10
    Somehow gloomy. And all due to the fact that some appendages in power in the West do not have the brain to analyze the consequences of their statements and actions. How can you think about using nuclear weapons! What is not at all friends with the head?
    1. +3
      15 August 2017 08: 06
      Yes, they have agony now. It's not about hegemony, but about existence itself, that's what they are rushing about.
      1. +21
        15 August 2017 09: 50
        An interesting article recently appeared on the American "hawks" and generals. "The United States will avenge war on Russia and China for disobedience. But events are unlikely to develop according to the scenario of Washington."
        They write that “When your politically stupid politicians listen to PATHOLOGICALLY SELF-CONFIDENT soldiers, then trouble cannot be avoided.” That all these people do not think about how rarely wars go and end in accordance with the expectations of those who start them.
        According to the plan of the “hawks” of the war, all wars, of course, should always be quick and easy. Moreover, it happens that generals often give advice to politicians not to start a war, however, when the war begins, they - both generals and politicians - sing dithyrambs to her with one voice. At the same time, both those and others rarely understand what they are getting involved in.
        Little help.
        1. The US Civil War was expected to end at noon after the first Manassas *. The mistake is four years and something about 650 corpses.
        2. The Germans thought that the First World War would be quick and agile, and would end in a few weeks. The mistake is four years and a fantastic massacre. The war was a completely unexpected trench war of attrition, which ended with unconditional surrender. This is not some Powerpoint presentation for you.
        3. When the Japanese army demanded to attack Pearl Harbor, it did not include two cities in radioactive ruins and American soldiers in the bars of Tokyo. But that’s exactly what they got.
        4. When the Wehrmacht invaded Poland, no documents laid out a plan to have the Red Army and American soldiers in Berlin. This is completely undocumented.
        5. When the French re-invaded Vietnam after World War II, they did not expect les jaunes (yellow - S.D.) to crush them under Dienbienf **. Les Jaunes did just that.
        6. When the Americans invaded Vietnam, although they saw what happened to the French, they did not even think that the same thing could happen to them. This happened.
        When the Soviet invaded Afghanistan, although they saw what happened to the Americans in the war against the peasants, they did not expect to lose. They lost.
        7. When the Americans attacked Afghanistan, although they saw what happened there with the Soviets, they did not expect that they would fight in order to achieve a draw with the prospect of losing. This is what they are doing.
        8. When the Americans attacked Iraq, they did not expect to get bogged down in the endless conflagration of the entire region. Bogged down.

        In these examples, some pattern is seen.
        1. When the roaring and barking "dogs of war" begin wars, they rarely foresee the nature of war or its outcome.
        2. This is especially true of the military, who, as it turns out, have little knowledge of their profession.
        3. Whether someone else can give more accurate predictions or not, does not matter. What matters is that generals cannot.

        See in detail. - http://svpressa.ru/world/article/178460/?utm_sour
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        1. 0
          15 August 2017 19: 46
          In Russia, who is more, hawks or pigeons? Something I do not hear here dove coo.
          1. +1
            18 August 2017 04: 48
            You will be a dove next to a flock of hawks - you will quickly become forage. And we don’t need it.
        2. +6
          15 August 2017 20: 05
          I would not say that we “lost” in Afghanistan.
          1. +4
            15 August 2017 23: 37
            Quote: Megatron
            I would not say that we “lost” in Afghanistan.

            The goals of the war were not achieved, the territory of Afghanistan was left to the enemy (who achieved his goals by 100%). If this is not a loss of war, then what?
            1. +1
              16 August 2017 08: 16
              Quote: Arakius
              The goals of the war were not achieved, the territory of Afghanistan was left to the enemy (who achieved his goals by 100%). If this is not a loss of war, then what?

              And what were your goals? If the military, so the military coped, coped precisely with the goals and objectives that they set. USSR represented by Gorbatov? So there they all ruined.
              1. +3
                16 August 2017 13: 31
                Quote: Shark Lover
                Quote: Arakius
                The goals of the war were not achieved, the territory of Afghanistan was left to the enemy (who achieved his goals by 100%). If this is not a loss of war, then what?

                And what were your goals? If the military, so the military coped, coped precisely with the goals and objectives that they set. USSR represented by Gorbatov? So there they all ruined.

                The enemy was not destroyed or squeezed out of the country. If the goal was just to bomb everything, then why was the military introduced at all? Would be limited to bombing and all

                The goal of the USSR was to maintain a friendly regime in Kabul and help him destroy his opponents. The goal was not achieved. For a decade of the war in Afghanistan, it was not possible to inflict a decisive defeat on the militants and squeeze them out of Afghanistan. (even their supply lines from Pakistan could not be cut).
                But the militants achieved their goals. USSR withdrew its military from Afghanistan and the pro-Soviet government fell
                1. 0
                  17 August 2017 15: 07
                  Not the militants, but those big uncles who supported them. Fighters without funding will not be at war for long.
    2. +4
      15 August 2017 09: 43
      Quote: Olegater
      What is not at all friends with the head?

      But how do they eat it wassat that's just to feed them less and less willing, that’s rage hi
    3. +5
      15 August 2017 17: 17
      What friendship can one have with one’s head if they used it against Japan in due time, and still consider it to be the order of things.
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 18: 35
        The most interesting thing is that in the young population of Japan, we allegedly dropped request
        1. +4
          15 August 2017 20: 42
          It is a myth. The Japanese know why and from whom it flew.
      2. +1
        15 August 2017 20: 30
        The worst thing is that it is considered in the order of things Japanese
      3. +2
        15 August 2017 21: 49
        In war, all means are good - if the USSR had an atomic bomb, into the great Russian one, our leadership would also use it against Germany.
        1. +5
          16 August 2017 04: 51
          Quote: Vadim237
          also applied against Germany

          History does not know the subjunctive mood, not a fact. Although the probability was, since the impact and consequences have not been studied. We didn’t even use aviation everywhere in cities, so don’t carry a blizzard.
    4. +1
      16 August 2017 04: 47
      Quote: Olegater
      How can you think about using nuclear weapons

      Just exceptional everything gets away with it. We used depleted uranium ammunition in Yugoslavia - there was radioactive nucleation, ancology still destroys people - everyone said nothing.
  2. +7
    15 August 2017 06: 18
    These representatives of the American army or classes on WMD skipped, or they did not stop teaching them in their equestrian colleges after the collapse of the USSR! negative “Low-powered nuclear weapons” —that is what you need to come up with, “dumb” ones, it’s not for nothing that Zadornov called them! Worse than a moron - only illiterate can be! Yes
  3. +11
    15 August 2017 06: 27
    We can’t reach missiles before Guam Ynkina, but Southerners and Japanes will not be too good ....
    Instead of putting the world on the brink of disaster, spending so much effort and money on pushing asses with a small DPRK, it would not have been easier and cheaper to spend much less effort on reconciling and uniting the peoples of Korea ...
    Everyone would only have relief ...
    Well, I don’t think, maybe it’s naive that the North and the South are different from each other like we are with Ukraine.
    It's just that there is its own GDP and PAP ....
    1. +7
      15 August 2017 08: 13
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      Instead of putting the world on the brink of disaster, spending so much effort and money on pushing asses with a small DPRK, it would not have been easier and cheaper to spend much less effort on reconciling and uniting the peoples of Korea ...

      How is this possible? And military bases in the South Caucasus? How then do China and Russia get nervous? And then the merger of the two Koreas - this is no worse than Germany's economic competitor! And besides, with one of the most powerful amia in the world! Those. and political too! And the region will have to go down forever and no leverage will remain. So you can slide into the countries of the second world. A mattress will never do this.
    2. +3
      15 August 2017 08: 35
      Unification is needed neither by states, nor by China, nor by Russia. Unification will mean the emergence of a new serious player. A country with technology and finance from South Korea and nuclear weapons. Japan will be far behind. Does China need such a competitor at hand?
      So the fire will be extinguished, but so that it does not go out completely.
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 19: 51
        What game are the North Korean Jucheans playing? They need to be fed and cured before unifying with them. And few people want it.
        1. 0
          15 August 2017 20: 58
          And who drove the Juche people into this trap?
          1. 0
            15 August 2017 21: 14
            This is already in the past. The main thing is how they build relationships and build a future together.
          2. 0
            17 August 2017 12: 06
            Nobody will drive anyone like themselves.
            1. +1
              18 August 2017 04: 51
              With friendly sanctioning help from Uncle Sam, of course.
      2. +1
        15 August 2017 20: 34
        Hence the conclusion - the world of competition must be put to an end. Countries and people should not "compete" for the sake of some dough, limiting and destroying others for this. This is the way to hell.
        1. +1
          15 August 2017 20: 55
          The road to hell is competition ....
          The only problem is that whoever wins the tender first is the first to come to Hell ... Well, he will lead the rest ...
          Well, the GDR and the FRG have united ...
          So what...?
          In my near-sighted view, it became calmer when instead of 2x Germanium one ..
          The problem has not disappeared, and everyone knows the coordinates of where it sits ...
          A little bit opposite France, if you look to the left ...
    3. +1
      16 August 2017 10: 51
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      it would not be easier and cheaper to spend much less effort on reconciliation and unification of the peoples of Korea ...

      It is even easier and much cheaper to unite the Donetsk and Lugansk PEOPLES! Or not? How many managers will be free! Where to put them?
  4. +13
    15 August 2017 06: 37
    All questions are correct and timely. The West has now actually embarked on a geopolitical offensive through intimidation of the "Papuans." This is neocolonialism. The goal is the demoralization of small countries and their complete submission through intimidation. A kind of "globalization" of the whip, because the carrot did not work. There are only two options: either small countries develop nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles, or ask for protection from other countries, Russia and / or China. Actually, Haftar flew to Moscow, very quickly catching this moment ...

    Masks are finally reset. The West fixes the geopolitical "profit", fixes the zone of influence, its colonies. Hence such harsh rhetoric. She is from weakness in "soft power." This is a colossal victory for Russia, which completely threw off masks from the West. He was forced to use all of his soft power resources in the world and ... they ended. Now the period of hard showdowns has begun. Which must be turned against the West itself. Now the "soft power" of Russia and China is working for Russia and China, and the West is defending itself, yelling about the "propaganda of the Russians." He is weak now. And Russia needs to strengthen its soft power and spread it throughout the world. Reinforcing it with military power, where necessary (but so as not to look like a bully). So, Russia and China will gain international prestige and take other countries under their protection, without imposing themselves on it, receiving bonuses in return) So, we will win) The main thing is not to be angry, not to vigil and think broadly, but realistically, pragmatically ...

    And the West ... He - is blown away, he - dies in his hysteria of nuclear schizophrenia as well. So his death comes with a scythe ...
  5. +7
    15 August 2017 07: 20
    Yes, US banditry has moved to a new level. They just robbed, and now they are ready to kill those whom they cannot rob.
    For good, countries and peoples should unite through the UN or otherwise, put an end to the banditry of the United States, and deprive this country of nuclear weapons, the army and the navy. There is also experience in the fight against fascism and Nazism.
    1. +6
      15 August 2017 09: 15
      Quote: 1536
      Yes, US banditry has moved to a new level.

      This is not banditry, but a total war with all the consequences and with a new division of the world. They are not mobiles, as gopniks squeeze out in the gateway, but destroy entire states, killing millions of civilians without regard to the UN and world censure.
      1. +1
        15 August 2017 20: 48
        This is a war, with all the end!
    2. 0
      15 August 2017 15: 01
      1536. I agree with you that banditry has moved to another level. And from this it follows that this is not banditry, but idiocy, which is already going wild!
  6. 0
    15 August 2017 08: 07
    and nothing will happen - since the situation around the DPRK was tense in the mid-90s. Everyone was sure that Clinton would start to clatter Kim tomorrow. And nothing ... the steam went off the whistle. barracks. By the way, in the 70s, the Americans actually planned a nuclear strike with small power charges in Vietnam. Even threw out several paratroopers with knapsack charges. One of them, when landing, broke his leg, lost orientation and almost fell into the hands of the Viet Cong. In Hollywood, even a blockbuster filmed - starring Gene Hackman
    1. +7
      15 August 2017 08: 18
      Nothing like this. There were no similar statements today. This intensity of rhetoric is the first after the 50s.
      1. +1
        15 August 2017 20: 51
        Are you still in trouble?
        1. +1
          16 August 2017 02: 35
          Yes. They didn’t receive any reaction from Russia, they forgot, they switched to those whom they could never touch, and now they have fallen into the pit that Russia has been so diligently prepared since 1991, wanting Russia to really mate with someone from the circle his. And she died in a pit with snakes. And now - this is their fate. Now the situation with the DPRK is killing America day after day. The US-DPRK-PRC conflict triangle is disastrous for the United States with its state of the army. This triangle can bury the USA completely. He’s like a noose around their neck - slowly but surely squeezes their neck, it will soon begin to crackle ... And Russia in this story is a wise monkey on the river bank. Which, however, may not be a fool during the fight, but there’s a lot to be done: in Syria, in Ukraine, for example. Or maybe a maneuver by forces neatly done towards Libya, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Venezuela, even Cuba. Options - the sea. The main thing is to do everything appropriately to the situation, accurately and on time, and most importantly, with impeccable motivation for the benefit of the world, for the benefit of oneself. Slowly and without delay. The whole free world (outside NATO, of course) expects this from Russia. In general, the time is now decisive for Russia ....,
          1. 0
            16 August 2017 06: 58
            It's just that Russia is a bare-ass monkey, and therefore does not intervene. For it cannot.
            1. +1
              18 August 2017 04: 57
              Russia is not a monkey, all the more ass is not naked. I have at least. You have - yes, for God's sake, only now you are a monkey with a bare fifth point. This is at best, because other options are a flea or a worm.
              A can intervene, but then the situation can even become white-hot. And the watch of the Apocalypse will be stuck on "at five seconds."
              1. 0
                22 August 2017 07: 46
                A set of words. A territory with 90% of the world's reserves cannot produce anything. Even the population does not have the ability to reproduce, since there is no one's corner.
                1. +1
                  22 August 2017 09: 50
                  What? If I have a set of words, then you have a stream of consciousness.
  7. 0
    15 August 2017 08: 25
    No brain at all? D.ura can still be forgiven by Limpopo, but the military, the general, and such proposals.
    1. +3
      15 August 2017 09: 28
      Quote: Rostislav
      D.ura can still be forgiven by Limpopo, but a military man, a general,

      Apparently, not far from her ... hi
    2. 0
      15 August 2017 21: 17
      Hence, it’s not his idea that he is a performer; the leaders gave the go-ahead.
  8. +6
    15 August 2017 11: 10
    In vain you run into a general. Alexander probably understands, but not for some reason writes what is the matter.
    Yes, the US generals want to move the red line, but not at all out of stupidity or outrage.
    The US Army is required to win any local conflict with available resources with small losses. AND THEY CAN'T - EVERYBODY IS BLOWED OUT BY THE STUFF. And there everything is just like in a regular corporation — you’ll fire us. Therefore, they require a new powerful weapon. It’s really a hitch, history shows that agonizing armies always demanded wunderwaffles and they didn’t save anyone ....
    1. +1
      15 August 2017 13: 43
      Is logical. Only now you do not take into account our reaction. not only Russia, but also other nuclear countries. The world is bound by treaties. And the presence of tactical nuclear weapons unleash the hands of all. Everybody Ugh, ugh, ugh, but in the long term only nuclear countries can remain on earth ... The rest are "tactically liquidated" ... together. Someone right away. Someone after some time with the help of radiation ... But all ...
      1. +3
        15 August 2017 19: 18
        And the presence of tactical nuclear weapons will untie everyone’s hands

        So they hope to sit overseas, believe that the tactical nuclear weapons do not pose a threat to them. Well, that is, the use of 50-100 tactical charges in the world is less damage than the loss of 100 thousand American troops and a significant part of the air force in a major regional conflict.
        Well, again, if you do not take into account the escalation of the conflict, then probably for the United States it is.
      2. 0
        15 August 2017 20: 36
        Yeah, and after that - and each other.
  9. +1
    15 August 2017 12: 15
    Quote: 1536
    Yes, US banditry has moved to a new level. They just robbed, and now they are ready to kill those whom they cannot rob.
    For good, countries and peoples should unite through the UN or otherwise, put an end to the banditry of the United States, and deprive this country of nuclear weapons, the army and the navy. There is also experience in the fight against fascism and Nazism.

    And it’s better, as Zhirinovsky said, to throw nuclear weapons on mattresses, maybe it will sober them up, although not one drunk does not see himself in him, this is no exception
  10. +6
    15 August 2017 12: 22
    It may be necessary to issue a doctrine which will clearly indicate that the use of any nuclear weapons on the territory of Russia and its allies will be regarded as a full-fledged attack. What will be followed by the most powerful answer.
    In my opinion, this is the only thing that can stop the hot heads of Americans.
    1. +5
      15 August 2017 13: 46
      laughing By the way, this is the solution that begs first. And in the doctrine of Russia it is. not so formidable, but essentially so. Without specifying the type of tactical .. Just nuclear weapons and all.
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 18: 23
        Yes? There is - it is, but here I, as a person of another state, hear about it for the first time. Well, about an extremely strong response to aggression. And I think that among your compatriots there are few who know about this. Just few people read the entire agreement at the bank, not to mention the doctrines ...
        But if the necessary lines of the media were “torn out of context”, then everything would be completely different.
      2. 0
        16 August 2017 07: 01
        No matter where it is written, no one will expose himself to attack. They will observe from the side and regret.
  11. +2
    15 August 2017 14: 11
    The "red line" that has kept the peace for so many years can be "moved" by the efforts of the United States. What I noticed, naturally, was also noticed by those who, as a matter of duty, dealt with defense issues in Russia, China, India, Israel and other nuclear countries. And small countries are thinking.
    Perhaps we are entering a new stage in historical development. Closer and closer is the "use of bows and stone axes." Those who manage to survive beyond the new "red line" ...

    Apparently, the world has only one way out - to abandon the dollar, which will lead to the economic collapse of the United States, which in turn will not allow mattresses to develop new types of nuclear weapons and for some time stop the military-economic racket of the whole world. Otherwise, as the author wrote, the world in the near future may return to the era of "bows and stone axes."
  12. +1
    15 August 2017 14: 50
    When the conversations of hawks and peacekeepers end, only those who have more canned and clean water will remain.
    1. +1
      15 August 2017 16: 17
      Quote: LAWNER
      those who have more canned and clean water.

      what And these will remain after the global use of nuclear weapons? Probably, only those who will be able to mutate will remain ... Cockroaches for example lol
      1. +1
        18 August 2017 05: 01
        Well, a person’s mutation is also a frequent thing, maybe something three-armed or five-legged will survive ...
  13. 0
    15 August 2017 16: 19
    What is there with geo-weapons? In my opinion, it’s time to start some process in the Yellowstone caldera, then the Americans will probably come to their senses and solve their own problems without splashing shit all over the world.
    1. 0
      15 August 2017 20: 39
      Rather, the opposite. He will explode already, they know it and are in a hurry. If you accelerate this process, they generally fly off the coils, and then different scenarios with the use of nuclear weapons are just possible.
  14. +3
    15 August 2017 16: 52
    Nuclear war can be beneficial for those non-humans who want to thin out the world's population, put a single power in one world order.
  15. 0
    15 August 2017 17: 31
    Now it’s especially “fun” for residents of countries near the DPRK, especially South Korea and Japan ... Although the Japanese are not used to it ...
  16. +2
    15 August 2017 17: 36
    In fact, there is no problem for us (Russia).
    It should be clearly stated that in the case of the use of nuclear weapons of any power by our allies, the Doomsday missiles will be lowered from the chain.
    That's all.
    Let the TA side decide whether to apply or not to apply?
    1. +3
      15 August 2017 18: 14
      Thought is good. Does the question work? In light of recent years, the Russian Federation sometimes spoke on important issues, but ... did not.
    2. 0
      15 August 2017 20: 39
      Only we have no allies.
  17. +1
    15 August 2017 19: 05
    (One of the main claims against the DPRK is the “creation of nuclear weapons”, which violates international treaties.) And if the North Koreans have not signed such treaties, they are not required to fulfill them accordingly. But the United States also did not sign some international treaties and also the signed treaties are not very keen to implement. An example of a limitation in creating a missile defense. And international treaties on the WTO, where no sanctions are mentioned at all, but the United States regularly introduces them in relation to any country. On the climate agreement, on quotas and reduction of CO2 emissions from which the other day, Trump announced his withdrawal.

  18. +2
    15 August 2017 20: 00
    How to reach heaven is my repeated (and not only mine) idea - to collect all the cones next to the former Bikini Atoll and plant a small (20 ct) piece. For an impression and understanding of how they are played.
    Most politicians of the new generation are stupid and illiterate. Moreover, they don’t understand what nuclear weapons are, their damaging factors and their consequences.
    1. 0
      15 August 2017 21: 47
      The most peaceful and just people are the American Indians who innocently suffered in the search for justice in their land from obscurantist conquerors, seekers of fortune from around the world. And now it is time to return home with a sword in search of adventure and the lost long Russian ruble, through personal sanctions, to Russian bins with claims of non-compliance
      international rules of conduct and total stagnation by going
      the red line in foreign and for a long time in domestic politics
      Conclusions need to be made right, not microbombs with warheads.
    2. 0
      15 August 2017 21: 52
      The consequences and damaging factors are on the drum, as tactical nuclear weapons will be used against other countries - far from their borders.
      1. 0
        15 August 2017 22: 36
        Wasserman is all this, things that are not worth it for them
        they paid even one ruble, it would be worthwhile to tackle internal problems, benefit more and learn to live peacefully with the outside world - without provocation, meanness, theft and corruption, reducing military spending, supporting science and education + primary education for the good of the Motherland.
        1. +1
          15 August 2017 23: 27
          Well, the United States does not. They stick their noses around the world, and rotten at home. You explain to them. Especially about "meanness, provocation, corruption, primary education for the good of the Motherland" and manners))
          1. 0
            16 August 2017 07: 26
            Exactly for sure .....
            already the monuments began to be demolished ... It was not otherwise Nuland who caught the Maidanism virus and brought it to the Amernian nenka ...
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  20. 0
    15 August 2017 23: 09
    Nobody is allowed to move the red line. Except Lavrov.
  21. 0
    15 August 2017 23: 44
    If not for the signature, I would have thought that the author of the article is a spokesman for our Foreign Ministry! lol
  22. 0
    16 August 2017 04: 21
    A good article, plus. Imagine these hung with “iconostases” (for what, is it so interesting?, But we are all talking about Brezhnev ...), gray-haired boys, each of which is larger than Genghis Khan and Alexander combined and, recalls from old times : whom the Gods want to punish, they deprive the mind
  23. 0
    16 August 2017 06: 53
    That's right. Relations based on competition have their ultimate goal - only one individual, the most competitive and adapted, must survive. So the dinosaurs became extinct. Always the fittest and most dominant die out, such a law of nature. They are being superseded by the unadaptable, which simply change this world.
    1. +1
      18 August 2017 05: 06
      Goofy, that means Darwin was fundamentally wrong ... Quite the contrary, dinosaurs were poorly adaptable to environmental changes, which is why they died out, but small mammals (more precisely, their ancestors), contemporaries of dinosaurs, survived. I wonder how did these rodents change the world? Dropped an asteroid to Earth using rat shamans?
  24. 0
    16 August 2017 07: 35
    Imagine yourself a 10-12 year old kid ... Introduced?
    And suddenly you’ve got a hand grenade in your hands, no matter how, and lies in your secret place ...
    Question one: what feelings and desires will you experience?
    Question two: how long will you experience them?
    Question three: what will your actions be sooner or later?
    1st Introductory: you are being charmed at school and you are full of enemies ..
    2nd Introductory: You are not suicidal ...
    1. +1
      16 August 2017 07: 48
      It may sound cynical, but humanity doesn’t feel sorry for me ...
      But the Planet and its nature ..
      Although ... without us, she will breathe a sigh of relief ...
  25. 0
    16 August 2017 11: 25
    according to the Americans, it is necessary to use this weapon, they already squeak from their zeal so let them try and try on themselves.
  26. 0
    18 August 2017 21: 56
    That's what they are about tactical and they say: it won’t reach the USA, but the rest ... So what? Do they think that in the event of an attack on Russia, they will not get a return gift along all the coasts?
    Well yes! they built a bunch of underground cities for the "Elite" ... He will flood them there, and even shake them with a provoked cataclysm: volcanoes, floods, earthquakes, climate change ... And the survivors will plot them ...
    Americans in general are like ugly kids: "we can do anything, God is with us!" Well, I remember that in 1941 the Gotminunts also thought so ...