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Who gave Russia statehood

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One Finnish columnist, Veikko Koghonen, on his facebook decided to figure out how many countries Russia presented statehood. The results surprised him a lot: unexpectedly for himself, he discovered that half of the states of Europe and some of the states of Asia received statehood from the hands of Russia (or the USSR, which is basically the same thing).




Let's remember exactly who:

1. Finland in 1802 and 1918 Until 1802, Finland never had a state of its own.

2-3. Latvia, Estonia in 1918 (before 1918, they never had their own state).
Lithuania restored statehood in 1918 also thanks to Russia. In 1938, it was the Soviet Union that did not let the Poles occupy it, who wanted to do with Lithuania what Hitler did with Austria. In October, the USSR transferred Vilnius (Vilna) and the Vilna region to the USSR's 1939, and after the end of World War II returned Klaipeda (Memel) and some other territories to Lithuanians. As a state, it was peacefully revived de facto in 1991.

4. Poland regained statehood with the help of Russia twice, in 1918 and 1944.

5. Romania was born as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars, and became a sovereign country by the will of Russia in 1877-1878.

6. Bulgaria, as a state, was born as a result of the victory of the Russian weapons in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, which had its purpose. As a thank you, the state of Bulgaria in the two world wars participated in the anti-Russian coalitions. Now Bulgaria is a member of NATO, and US bases are located on its territory. But after 1945, there was not a single Russian soldier on its territory.

7. Serbia, as a sovereign state, was also born as a result of that war between Russia and the Turks, gaining independence on July 13 1878.

8-9. Armenia, Georgia were physically preserved in the Russian Empire and revived as states after the death of the USSR.

10-13. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, were never separate states and were formed only as part of the USSR.

14. Mongolia - has retained its statehood thanks to the support of the USSR.

15. Moldova was liberated from the Turks and became part of the Russian Empire at the beginning of the 19 century, having separated from the USSR, became an independent state by peaceful means.

16-17. Belarus and Ukraine also gained statehood for the first time as a consequence of the Great October Revolution of 1917, which was later fixed by their status of republics within the USSR. And in 1991, they got complete independence.

18. Israel was created by Stalin, despite the resistance of Britain and the United States.

19-. Twice in the last two centuries, Russia has granted independence to most European countries, grinding the armies of Napoleon and Hitler.
(For example, in 1945, the liberation of Austria from the Nazis, followed by the restoration of its independence. The liberation and restoration of the integrity of Czechoslovakia in the 1945 year, which Hitler had previously divided into Slovakia and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia).

20-. Most of the colonies of Western Europe gained their independence thanks to the world movement of decolonization after World War II, in which the USSR played the main role.

21-. You can also take into account the role of Russia - the USSR in the birth and formation of such states as the People's Republic of China, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, North Korea, India. Greece from the Turks repulsed Russia back in the year 1821. Switzerland’s independence won back from France by Suvorov.

22-. The position of Russia allowed Germany to unite in 1990 ...

And for sure we have forgotten many more ...

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  1. svp67
    svp67 12 August 2017 03: 50
    +18
    But it is interesting in these countries how many people know and remember about it. But is it not time for our RT and Sputnik to remind them of this?
    1. Sevastiec
      Sevastiec 12 August 2017 08: 34
      +1
      I can’t find the source. Maybe I just don’t know how to use this stupid facebook, but at the request of Veikko Koghonen, he gives out only a bunch of people who “quoted” him.
      1. jjj
        jjj 12 August 2017 10: 14
        +2
        That is, in this way you want to refute the published theses
        1. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec 13 August 2017 10: 22
          0
          No, just idle curiosity. If there is no primary source, then why invent it? To give significance? Like: look, this is not us, but a foreign author wrote. It’s just so right when you give out something, not your own, to give a link to the source.
      2. Spnsr
        Spnsr 12 August 2017 12: 33
        +4
        Quote: Sevastiec
        about on request Veikko Koghonen

        And what to look for him? Read the story!
        1. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec 13 August 2017 10: 30
          +1
          So they would write on their own behalf. It turns out that even if this is so, then the article is already partly untrue. About the fact that someone in the West wrote this. As they say: spoons were found, but the sediment remained.
      3. MAD_SERGANT
        MAD_SERGANT 12 August 2017 14: 33
        +2
        Surprisingly, there are still people who do not use Facebook and other social services. networks
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 12 August 2017 14: 50
          +12
          there is. I for example. and not in the least grieve about it ...
          1. Plombeer
            Plombeer 16 August 2017 15: 59
            0
            At the same time, I have absolutely no regrets about it, and at the same time I smile and don’t worry with newsletters and comments about me in my mobile or computer
        2. vlanis
          vlanis 13 August 2017 06: 55
          +1
          Well, I do not use this garbage, they also found a source of information.
        3. mister-red
          mister-red 18 August 2017 15: 30
          0
          What for? For calls, there is a telephone, Skype and more. To write something and someone like it, so that self-esteem increases? The illusion of communication and involvement in something. This does not replace real communication.
      4. vlanis
        vlanis 13 August 2017 04: 27
        +1
        Not looking there, facebook is not interesting. type in Yandex "which countries were formed thanks to Russia"
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 August 2017 12: 01
      +1
      No time. All is one: they will trend about those to whom "did not give independence", and Pushkov will begin to make excuses.
    3. Alf
      Alf 12 August 2017 15: 36
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      But it is interesting in these countries how many people know and remember about it. But is it not time for our RT and Sputnik to remind them of this?

      The Finn has forgotten the most important country. He either did not know, or pretended not to know, but it was precisely the sending of Russia of her ships to the shores of America that gave America freedom at a time when the British Parliament paid attention to her former colony.
      1. poc.
        poc. 12 August 2017 23: 17
        +1
        Armed neutrality of Catherine.
    4. Buffet
      Buffet 12 August 2017 17: 52
      +1
      3 or 4 times this article pops up here.
      1. Andrey Skokovsky
        13 August 2017 06: 45
        0
        not true, never been
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 03: 37
          +1
          It was. There were exactly two times, only the name changed a little, and the text is the same (well, maybe the commas were rearranged ...).
    5. ShAlex
      ShAlex 13 August 2017 14: 44
      +1
      In Switzerland, they remember exactly, there are monuments to Alexander Vasilyevich
    6. Lycan
      Lycan 15 August 2017 11: 19
      0
      It seems that any such country has gained independence:
      - concludes that without the "struggle for independence" its status as a territory of identity and independence is close to "0";
      - then proceeds to brainwashing the younger generation;
      - only those who are ready to actively promote a given message (like sectarian creed) at "party meetings" and among active "no brain jugends" are allowed to promising, politically advantageous and enlightened revised posts;
      - printed works on freshly invented memoirs of the “social anti-saboteurs-saboteurs” and “fighters for independent Limpopo” that were living during the Soviet occupation were introduced into the “laudable literary trend”;
      - the political establishment is being cultivated on this basis (with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which has to “replay” (c) its own brain to connect historical contradictions)
      and - here’s “Independent country, escaping from the tenacious clutches of the bloodthirsty USSR”.
      And they can’t prove anything to the contrary. They have their own "history", their own historian. documentary evidence, its "past". And neither RT nor Sputnik will prove anything to them. They simply will not be watched. As their indigenous people from the Baltic states do not look (the exception is the Russian thinkers there and sympathizers with them). The only effective technique is to organize complete isolation from other information by filling in (densely, generously, in detail, folded, colorful, comprehensive, painfully heroic, culturally, educationally far-sighted) the created space with no less informative information. However, this has nothing to do with international freedom of speech and smacks of totalitarianism. But this is the price for guaranteed "opening the eyes." And the rest - no need to harbor false illusions.
    7. Alikos
      Alikos 16 August 2017 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      But it is interesting in these countries how many people know and remember about it. But is it not time for our RT and Sputnik to remind them of this?

      The same US once! Russia supported the Americans. Do the lousers remember this?
    8. leonid-zherebtcov
      leonid-zherebtcov 17 August 2017 06: 46
      0
      Of course, it’s high time to remind ... I worked in the Navy for 22 years, I visited many of these countries, and from communicating with people I am convinced that young people in these countries, for the most part, are infected with “creative sclerosis” of famous organizations ...
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 12 August 2017 05: 10
    +8
    It would not hurt, through official channels, to “subtly” remind about fourteen previously sovereign, and now under the heel (and voluntarily) countries to whom and what they should, although it would rather be distributed through RT b Sputnik; the main thing is clever to teach ... And let it be called Russian propaganda, ... And then in Poland the USSR is already called the culprit of the beginning of the Second World War, - they thoroughly felt it.
  3. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 12 August 2017 05: 16
    +4
    item 23. Cuba, Algeria, Mozambique.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 06: 06
      +4
      About Mozambique - I will not argue. But Cuba and Algeria quite independently without the USSR became independent. Another thing is that the Union helped them survive. But that was later. Cubans and Algerians at first fought themselves. hi
      1. Hoc vince
        Hoc vince 12 August 2017 06: 32
        +2
        I agree, but not without our participation.
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 06: 36
          +1
          In Cuba and Algeria, no. De Gaulle was more expensive (not in the sense of "money") than Algerians for the USSR. And Cuba .. The last honest victory of the Revolution. hi
          1. tanit
            tanit 12 August 2017 06: 37
            0
            Participation began very much later.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 09: 09
        +5
        Quote: tanit
        Another thing is that the Union helped them survive. But that was later. Cubans and Algerians at first fought themselves.

        Fidel Castro Rus at the beginning and did not think about any friendship and cooperation with both the USSR and the USA. I wanted to play autonomy and independence, overthrowing the "best friend" of the United States, President Batista in 1959. For which the latter announced a "trade embargo" to Cuba (here you have the "sanctions"!). After the death of Che Guevara, which marked the end of the era of "export of revolutions" in the patrimony of the United States - Latin and South America, Fidel had no choice but to join the socialist camp led by the USSR.
        Algeria is even more difficult in terms of determining the choice of the country's development path. French President de Gaulle "practically granted" the right to self-determination, withdrawing his troops from there in order to avoid senseless bloodshed in the war that began there.
        In general, the beginning of the 60 of the last century was marked by the rise of the "broad national liberation movement" in Africa. Somewhere the mother countries left in silence, and somewhere the ordinary massacre of the rebelled Aborigines began. As an example - "the life and death of Patrice Lumumba." Today's European animal rights advocates do not want to recall how they literally slaughtered black rebels.
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 10: 06
          +3
          I will add. Even the Great (without any irony) Che - was categorically against cooperation with the USSR.
          1. iouris
            iouris 12 August 2017 12: 04
            +4
            And how did he finish? But Fedyun lived a very long life, although he constantly smoked cigars and avoided attempts.
            1. tanit
              tanit 12 August 2017 12: 27
              +4
              Ernesto? From his detachment 17 people broke through 11. They were surrounded by 3000. As a commander, he died with dignity. As a symbol, it lives in the 21st century.
              Quote: iouris
              how did he finish

              Just became a Legend and a Symbol. Neither you nor I did, right?
      3. GAF
        GAF 12 August 2017 12: 51
        +4
        Quote: tanit
        But Cuba and Algeria quite independently without the USSR became independent. Another thing is that the Union helped them survive. But that was later. Cubans and Algerians at first fought themselves.

        If there were no USSR, then there would be no Algerian country, even in the draft. Algeria was not a colony, but an overseas department of France, i.e. its territory. They fought themselves, but with what. He worked in the Oran district of Algeria for 4 years in the early 70s during the time of Boumedien, who proclaimed social. development orientation. So, we can say, we made friends with the official team of hunters, who carried out regular sanitary shooting of agricultural pests - wild boars, leaving them to feed jackals. So the choice after their hunt was great. The brigade consisted of beaters and shooters - former partisans and part of the gendarmerie. By ear, shots from SKS carbines were different from hunting rifles. In conversations with us, they praised our weapons and were grateful for their help, namely, during the war. Already in the early 70's in the military towns of the District was full of our specialists - tankers, aviators. Moreover, the latest equipment was supplied.
        1. tanit
          tanit 13 August 2017 10: 08
          0
          In the 70s. And initially they fought - veterans of the French army. Ethnic "Algerians". request Without any USSR. hi And with what and with whom to fight - they already had it. Union - helped, yes. But much "later." As you wrote, in the 70s.
      4. Spnsr
        Spnsr 12 August 2017 12: 55
        0
        Quote: tanit
        About Mozambique - I will not argue. But Cuba and Algeria quite independently without the USSR became independent. Another thing is that the Union helped them survive. But that was later. Cubans and Algerians at first fought themselves. hi
        need to rummage in the history of America! Not just because the Romanovs gave them Alaska and the eastern part of the North American continent!
        1. tanit
          tanit 13 August 2017 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: SpnSr
          Not just because the Romanovs gave them Alaska and the eastern part of the North American continent!

          Not easy. For money. The railways were built on them (for money). request
          1. Spnsr
            Spnsr 16 August 2017 21: 58
            0
            Quote: tanit
            Not easy. For money. The railways were built on them (for money).

            swim finely!
            there you can talk about participating in the victory over the confederation ...
        2. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 03: 41
          +1
          According to the documents - they leased it “for a century”. The deadline came in 1947 ...
  4. NG inform
    NG inform 12 August 2017 05: 22
    +2
    Israel was formed primarily thanks to the USSR, and secondly to the United States. They did not have significant objections, and all this was done to the peak of England, which, yes, objected.
    Then the USSR helped Israel fight off the Arabs with arms supplies and help in the formation of the army. It’s a pity, of course, that now it’s like this.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 06: 41
      +2
      Quote: NG inform
      It’s a pity, of course, that now it’s like this.

      May 9 - For the State of Israel - Also a Holiday. hi Many countries celebrate May 9th?
      Something like that. request And the rest is from the evil one.
      1. lelyk72
        lelyk72 25 August 2017 19: 32
        0
        Not just a Holiday, but Victory Day !!!!!! (It seems to me an important clarification)
        At the same time, it seems to me that if they had celebrated the victory on September 2, it seems to me that they could not be reproached for something ......
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 12 August 2017 11: 19
      +7
      I will not in any way detract from the merits of the USSR in the creation of a Jewish state. However, it should be understood and another side of this issue. Neither of which "USSR-friendly state" was even discussed. The creation of Israel naturally squeezed Britain from a strategically important region and could enable the USSR to take its place. The words of Stalin are widely known:
      “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

      However, at that time the struggle against "cosmopolitanism" was already in full swing in the country, the "Case of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee" (14 people were shot) was unwound, by direct order of Stalin by the staff of the USSR Ministry of State Security, world-famous theater director and Jewish public figure Solomon was killed Mikhoels, followed by the "Case of doctors" and other repression against the Jews. Associations of Jewish Soviet writers in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk were liquidated, the literary almanacs “Heimland” (Moscow) and “Der Stern” (Kiev) were closed. This was followed by the arrests of a number of Jewish writers, as well as journalists and editors. Some of them were shot. The following were closed: the Jewish Museum in Vilnius, the Museum of Local Lore in Birobidzhan, the Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry in Tbilisi; Transfers of Moscow radio to Yiddish were discontinued. Every Jewish school is closed. The Moscow State Jewish Theater School was closed, then all Jewish theaters that existed in the USSR were closed: in Minsk, Chernivtsi, Birobidzhan. 1 December 1949 was closed the last Jewish theater - GOSET in Moscow. All this in no way could have prompted the young Jewish state to come closer to the USSR. So, it is very surprising, "that now it is like this," is not worth it.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 August 2017 12: 53
        +2
        As it appeared, with whom it fought ... This is all history. For me, the fact is that May 9 in the State of Israel is now a Holiday. All. Point. soldier
        Do not need anything else. To invent, to invent. The state has drawn a line - with whom is it.
        Something like that. soldier
      2. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 12 August 2017 13: 25
        +3
        They killed the king, settled in the Kremlin, set up camps, set people on top of each other, ate and drank and danced on their bones .. and .......... Oh ........ Offended ... .. What other countries do associations of "Jewish writers" exist? For example: “Echo of Moscow” cannot be driven out of Russia with a ssanoy rag. You, at least piles of lodges, there will be a turn there, because for the dissemination of your aspirations, Mr. Privalov pays very good money ........ you are truly honest people ........
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 12 August 2017 16: 23
          +2
          Dull cliches of household anti-Semites. Change the record. laughing
          Al, sіz қalay азақстанда істеп жүрсің? good Is there still an association of Russian writers in Kazakhstan? Resy zherde mahabbat? drinks Million two already left or more? Yes, money is not bad. Didn't you get it? Well, not destiny, it means. hi
          1. Warrior Hamilton
            Warrior Hamilton 12 August 2017 19: 51
            +1
            You twist this record, “Privalov” for seven thousand years, and have so sharpened everything that gets away with you. Whatever a Jew may have cried, how difficult it is for him to live, how he is offended - so he is not a Jew too ... And Resei is a mahabbat and Kazakhstan is a mahabbat to us, we live at home, Privalov! Do you want to drive wedges? Duc, you won’t surprise us with this! You only have to step on the tail, so immediately you are alone, poor things, surrounded by vicious domestic and not very anti-Semites. Maybe there is a cure? Do not lie, for example, to observe the ten commandments of men and you will Happiness ..........
      3. NG inform
        NG inform 12 August 2017 16: 26
        +2
        Well, Zionism, which was then forming, also did not represent anything good. I have repeatedly tried to gain recognition from his apologists that conditional Russians suffered more during the WWII than conditional Jews, but even with the numbers in their hands, I could not, which is very insulting. It got to the point that different people built the chains of victims like this: Jews, Belarusians, Ukrainians (and all), which was very shocking.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 12 August 2017 17: 17
          +6
          Well, Zionism, perhaps, was formed much earlier. Moreover, Zionism is a movement whose goal is to unite and revive the Jewish people in its historic homeland, Israel. Point. Everything else, from the evil one. I also repeatedly explained this to very many, but alas, the templates of the 70's time driven into the heads by people with communoids are very strong. As for the “sufferings of conditional Russians and conditional Jews,” their simple digital comparisons cannot be measured or embraced. This is not about which people died more, but about the fact that more than 70% of the Jewish population was destroyed in Europe. Seven of a dozen. Seventy of every hundred ... I hope there are no deniers of these events.
          You, as a fan of numbers, may be interested in a sign from a rather old book "SS in action. Documents on SS crimes", published in Moscow as early as 1960 year. (She and then republished, so that it can be found.)
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 12 August 2017 17: 45
            +4
            Well, this approach shows that assigning people to a particular religious group makes them more valuable than others, and killing 6 million becomes more important than killing 20 million.
            What is rather disgusting and the fact that people assigned to the "Jews" receive basic compensation from the Germans is, of course, absolutely unnatural and insulting.
            As for Zionism, I do not agree with your definition, which is certainly an occasion (slogan), but not a real driving force.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 12 August 2017 18: 10
              0
              Well, then I did not convince you. I wish you well. hi
              1. NG inform
                NG inform 12 August 2017 18: 20
                +4
                I turned a little on this topic when I was composing my family tree. When you visually see how the red line crosses out a generation, and listen to hellish tales, how about the death of everyone and everything, it somehow becomes disgusting to look at the lamentation of different people trying to get special rights.
                And the rabid Russophobia of the last hundred years is in plain sight - in my opinion it is categorically underestimated.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 12 August 2017 22: 58
                  +2
                  My condolences. I understand you very well. My family war also pretty thinned out.
                  What special rights are you talking about? Do you not know that the USSR received from Nazi Germany and its allies in compensation for the damage caused by them during the Second World War reparations under the conditions specified at the Yalta and Potsdam conferences? And Best_Frug_fizkulturnikov not cheap. The cost of withdrawals from the Soviet occupation zone amounted to an amount equivalent to approximately 14 041 a ton of gold. For comparison, the largest gold reserve currently belongs to the United States and is 8133,5 tons.
                  1. NG inform
                    NG inform 12 August 2017 23: 15
                    +1
                    This is an extremely insignificant part of the loss of the USSR from the war and 1 / 4 from what Israel received.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 13 August 2017 09: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: NG inform
                      This is an extremely insignificant part of the loss of the USSR from the war and 1 / 4 from what Israel received.

                      It is possible that insignificant - I do not know. The losses and reparations of the USSR are not for me to evaluate. On this account there are official sources. Figures have long been published. Access is free.
                      Here is about Israel, more, please. I have no such data, although I have been engaged in Israel for almost 30 years.
                      I know for certain that in the 1951 year, Israel demanded from Germany to reimburse the costs of receiving on its territory 500 thousands of people - refugees from Europe. Costs were estimated at 3 thousand dollars per person totaling 1,5 billion dollars. In addition, there was a demand for compensation for the loss of property in the amount of 6 billion dollars. (All in the prices of those years) After negotiations and consultations, 10 September 1952, West Germany, as an actual successor of the Third Reich, signed an agreement according to which it was supposed to pay in a commodity form Israel 3 billion marks over 14 years. Funds were invested in fixed assets, playing an important role in the formation of the Israeli economy. Payments were completed in 1965. In addition, 450 million marks were paid for private claims. On this account there are relevant documents.
                      In your opinion, it turns out that Israel received an amount equivalent to 56 in thousands of tons of gold ...
                      According to the World Gold Council (as of August 2017) worldwide today, the reserve gold reserve is about 33 thousand tons.
                      orter.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Weltweite-Gol
                      dreserven-08-2017.pdf
                      You know, I am an elderly man, I have seen and listened to everyone for life, but something confuses me in your words ... Did you not get excited about an hour?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 12 August 2017 19: 12
            +2
            Quote: A. Privalov
            It's not about which people died more, but about the fact that more than 70% of the Jewish population was destroyed in Europe.

            And you take all the Jewish people around the world, and immediately it turns out that the percentage of Jews suffered the least in the second world.
          3. pytar
            pytar 15 August 2017 15: 44
            +3
            Dear A.Privalov, I want to add one short note to your table. Bulgaria still managed to save its Jews! To one! All 50 thousand.! This is a unique case during WWII. Despite Hitler’s pressure, she didn’t give a single Jewish citizen to the Nazi death camps! In the lead, with the deputy Dimitar Peshev and the Orthodox Church, a movement to protect Bulgarian Jews was organized! With his help, Tsar Boris refused to hand them over to the Germans, motivated by the fact that “that Bulgaria needs Jewish workers to build railways and other infrastructure”! Restrictive laws were enacted, but you don't mind what happened to the Jews of the rest of Europe! Unfortunately, it was not possible to save the Jews from neighboring regions in Macedonia and Thrace, since these territories were conditionally controlled by the Bulgarian authorities. The Jews living in them did not have Bulgarian citizenship. In your table, their number is probably calculated. After the war, Bulgarian Jews gave their weighty contribution to the creation of the state of Israel.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 15 August 2017 16: 03
              +2
              Right now the Poles will read and choke with anger ....
      4. long in stock.
        long in stock. 12 August 2017 18: 59
        0
        On the one hand, all this is true. But I personally have a question for which, unfortunately, a clear answer has never been given, but for what? why such persecution of Jews by Stalin? I'm sorry but anti-Semitism doesn’t explain because Stalin was an extreme pragmatist..and explain to the people who just took the Jews out of the Dachau furnaces and sheltered them from the Germans some kind of fairy tale that Jews are not bad .. The question is only one, why did they spread rot in the Soviet Union?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 13 August 2017 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: long in stock.
          On the one hand, all this is true. But I personally have a question for which, unfortunately, a clear answer has never been given, but for what? why such persecution of Jews by Stalin? I'm sorry but anti-Semitism doesn’t explain because Stalin was an extreme pragmatist..and explain to the people who just took the Jews out of the Dachau furnaces and sheltered them from the Germans some kind of fairy tale that Jews are not bad .. The question is only one, why did they spread rot in the Soviet Union?

          If we talk about anti-Semitism as a state policy of the USSR, then in relation to the Jews it was ambivalent. On the one hand, officially anti-Semitism was viewed as a negative legacy of the “great-power chauvinism” of the Russian empire, a positive attitude towards Jews also helped to preserve the image of the USSR as the main fighter against Nazism. On the other hand, minimization of the national identity of Soviet Jews, and especially those associated with the creation of the state of Israel, pushed the state toward anti-Semitism. Speaking personally about Stalin, he had anti-Semitic views. But he was a politician and gave vent to his views when it did not interfere with his political goals.
          If this question really interests you, then on this topic you can read the book "Stalin's secret policy: power and anti-Semitism." Gennady Kostyrchenko. Moscow. publishing house International Relations. 2000 year.
          By the way, the Dachau concentration camp was liberated by the Americans, but this does not change the essence of the matter.
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 13 August 2017 17: 09
            0
            Well, respected anti-Semitic views are at everyone. I think even you happen ..
      5. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 13 August 2017 14: 15
        +1
        A mournful date was celebrated yesterday - the 65 anniversary of the execution of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC)
        The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, which included the most prominent cultural figures of Jewish origin in the USSR during the war, was disbanded in November 1948. The investigation into the case of the EAC has been cruelly tortured for almost three years. The end came at Lubyanka on the night of August 12 1952. Executioners shot in the basements of Lubyanka 13 those sentenced in the case of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, but among them - the entire color of Soviet Jewish literature in Yiddish: the poets Peretz Markish, David Gofshteyn, Lev Kvitko, Itzik Fefer, prose David Bergelson. The first names, live up to the point of the classics. Not a single national literature of the world experienced such a total reprisal. "The night of the executed poets" - then this date will be called.
        The criminal action itself was more ambitious; in all, 110 people were repressed in the case of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.

        So, I repeat, it is not surprising that Israel did not follow the course of the Soviet policy.
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 13 August 2017 16: 55
          +1
          To be honest, the question of brutal torture hangs in the air. Evidence was never found. All with words. Why torture? And so everyone will tell. It is already known that torture is ineffective. And this is not proof, this is a consequence. Israel did not go in the fairway so went against. and as a result, the dispersal of Jewish organizations.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 13 August 2017 20: 09
            +1
            Quote: long in stock.
            To be honest, the question of brutal torture hangs in the air. Evidence was never found. All with words. Why torture? And so everyone will tell. It is already known that torture is ineffective. And this is not proof, this is a consequence. Israel did not go in the fairway so went against. and as a result, the dispersal of Jewish organizations.

            Did I understand correctly that you demand from me evidence that during interrogations in December 1948 - February 1949 and the whole 1949 year, the MGB investigators who conducted interrogations and confrontations in the EAK case applied forceful measures to the arrested and 6 of them died during consequences?

            In other words, due to the fact that Israel did not follow the USSR, did Stalin disperse Jewish organizations? You confuse cause and effect and put the cart before the horse. Alas.
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 13 August 2017 21: 13
              0
              I think so. We didn’t go, dispersed. Why did the nationalist organizations need contacts with the USSR and even contacts abroad? I think if such a situation in Israel would have been done the same way. Powerful, yes, but I'm not sure about the brutal torture .As one of the convicts testifies, he was beaten every day for a month, if he was brutally beaten he would hardly have lasted so much. And most importantly, why? Why torture that? And they’re pricked without massacre so you can sing with a nightingale. You can ask any police officer if you have friends. I still understand when they begin to torture when information is needed quickly, but why should you hurry? And people are mortal, especially in prison. So recently the defendants died in the Hague without any torture, nothing. No one was very indignant. .
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 14 August 2017 09: 25
                +1
                Of these, it was not the locations of bases of terrorists or strategic bombers that were beaten out, but signatures under protocols with fake confessions and slander of employees, relatives, loved ones, or strangers in general. As a result, during the years of investigation, everyone except Solomon Lozovsky was broken. He pleaded not guilty to anything and did not sign a single protocol. But he was brought to court on stretchers and on stretchers and was shot.
                It was a fabricated process from start to finish. They were accused simultaneously in completely opposite things - nationalism and cosmopolitanism.
                Having refused their confessions, the defendants at the trial, step by step, broke down the indictment against them at all points. But their efforts were in vain. The fate of the accused was decided long before the end of the process. The Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee back in April 1952 of the year approved a death sentence for them, correcting all the elementary principles of even Soviet legal proceedings. And as if there had been no two months of the trial, as if the court had not heard the passionate, sincere, and testimony of the defendants. The judges ignored all this, they simply rewrote the individual provisions of the indictment into the sentence and thus fulfilled the will of not only the MGB, but, above all, the dictator standing above them. All the accused, with the exception of Academician Lina Solomonovna Stern, were sentenced to death.

                In 7 months, Stalin will die. A month later, they will prepare the rehabilitation of Mikhoels and all those who have been involved in the EAK case ...
                22 November 1955 of the Year The Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR annulled the sentence against members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee due to the absence of corpus delicti in their actions. Relatives of those shot by the courts issued fake death certificates "while serving the sentence." The decision to rehabilitate was secret; the authorities banned the publication of information in the open press. Open about the rehabilitation of members of the EAC was announced only after almost four more decades!
    3. iouris
      iouris 12 August 2017 12: 05
      +1
      Not this way. Israel created both the USA and the USSR and much more.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 12 August 2017 13: 13
        +1
        In the first decades after the creation of Israel in 1948, the United States was more of an enemy than a friend, usually taking the side of Israel’s Arab neighbors, whose oil wealth was important for the United States, and also to keep them outside the Soviet sphere of influence. This lasted until almost 1967 year.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 14 August 2017 17: 11
          +1
          But don't you put the importance of the Jews too high? As a crime of a galactic scale, you paint the shooting of 13 unknown writers and because of few other similar facts you describe the USSR as almost the continuer of the Holocaust ... And tens of millions of dead Russians seem to mean nothing. And at least 15 million only identified during the war years, and the Leninist eccentricities of the civil era and the struggle against Great Russian chauvinism, and the nineties, when, as you remember, died out for a million a year - this, in your opinion, doesn’t matter. Jews alone are the only victims of World War II and generally the most oppressed people in history.
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 04: 04
            +1
            A rare case when I agree with you ...
  5. Hoc vince
    Hoc vince 12 August 2017 06: 34
    +11
    “Russia will never have, and never has, haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them liberated ...
    They will certainly begin with the fact that inside themselves, if not directly out loud, they will declare to themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they were hardly saved from the power of Russia ... ”Dostoevsky FM
  6. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 12 August 2017 06: 39
    +1
    Our diplomats, each of their speeches may well begin with the words about when this state was formed and by whose will. Then the enemies will swell and spoil their blood with hatred.
    I add the United States, gained independence from Britain, thanks to the squadron of the Russian fleet.
    Stalin was killed for a jamb. As a result of the Korean War, China was formed as a center of power. For this, of course, you need to be punished.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 06: 48
      +1
      Quote: p-k Oparyshev
      As a result of the Korean War, China was formed as a center of power. For this, of course, you need to be punished.

      Yeah, in the UN Security Council of the PRC in 1979, too, due to the Korean War, entered, or what? laughing
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 12 August 2017 06: 54
        +1
        China wanted and joined the UN, or the United States suggested that China could enter the UN, due to the fact that it gained statehood as a result of KV.
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 07: 03
          +4
          Quote: p-k Oparyshev
          China wanted and joined the UN, or the United States suggested that China could enter the UN, due to the fact that it gained statehood as a result of KV.

          Oooooh, how's it going ... belay laughing
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 12 August 2017 07: 31
            +2
            You create a working noise, without knowledge, on only feelings. The same thing.
            1. tanit
              tanit 12 August 2017 07: 59
              +5
              Your "baggage" is already going wild.
              wink
              Quote: p-k Oparyshev
              You create a working noise, without the baggage of knowledge, on feelings alone.

              China, say, "wanted"? And before she "did not want", in your opinion? laughing Unpack your luggage and tell how the PRC entered the Security Council. smile And tie it to KV (as I understand it, this is the Korean War, right?). Look for Tibet and India in the baggage of your knowledge. Specify the year. Compare with the years of HF. smile
              Comrade Colonel, repack something. lol
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 August 2017 07: 13
    +1
    Now it looks like a stupid "quixotic" rulers at the expense of Russian blood and Russian money ....
    In conditions when the war for resources takes literal meaning, I would like the rulers of the “Russian Federation” to teach history.
  8. satum
    satum 12 August 2017 07: 31
    +1
    Any revision of history is a section of the territory in the distant future. Therefore, one cannot allow the formatting of history in methodological and scientific textbooks. Everything starts with a small one. And now this small thing already exists, if not the recognition of the facts of the Second World War and then of other wars that certain circles will need
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 August 2017 07: 43
    +5
    Beautifully, of course, only the Baltic States, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, these are Russian lands. Take a look at any history textbook, So it’s stupid to be proud that we have given our own.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 08: 10
      +7
      Quote: Gardamir
      Beautifully, of course, only the Baltic States, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, these are Russian lands. Take a look at any history textbook, So it’s stupid to be proud that we have given our own.

      And here I looked. So what? In these territories, both before the Republic of Ingushetia and before the USSR, state entities existed. Well? Are you in your role again? "I, as a connoisseur of the Old Russian language, do not know what the word Armata means"? laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 12 August 2017 08: 14
        +2
        And here I looked.
        where?
        In these territories, both before the Republic of Ingushetia and before the USSR, state entities existed.
        and that’s right, maybe we’ll continue to divide, into the Vladimir-Suzdal principality, glades and drevlyans?
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 08: 22
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Take a look at any history textbook

          Quote: Gardamir
          where?

          Into it. In the history textbook. smile From the category of any for the 5th grade. smile
          Quote: Gardamir
          and that’s right, maybe we’ll continue to divide, into the Vladimir-Suzdal principality, glades and drevlyans?

          Hmm ... Glades and Drevlyans as separate tribal entities did not seem to exist under the Vladimir-Suzdal principality, no? smile
          1. tanit
            tanit 12 August 2017 08: 27
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            only the Baltic States, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, this

            lands of Bulgarian, Hungarian, Danish, Turkish, Persian, Polish, Swedish and so on. hi There were them, then they were Russian. We will find out who will be then after a hundred. hi
            By the way, why is there no reason to become a long-liver? wink smile
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 12 August 2017 09: 02
              +2
              There were them, then they were Russian. We’ll find out who will be then after a hundred
              No, well, if you put the question like that, then I agree, completely.
              1. tanit
                tanit 12 August 2017 10: 10
                +1
                Quote: Gardamir
                No, well, if you put the question like that, then I agree, completely.

                Long life to all of us. smile Otherwise, we won’t know how everything will turn out. request
                Sincerely. hi
      2. vlanis
        vlanis 13 August 2017 06: 59
        +1
        "I, as a connoisseur of the Old Russian language, do not know what the word Armata means"?
        Sorry - I’ll add to your vocabulary, Armata is an ancient Russian cannon, the very word of Polish origin
        1. tanit
          tanit 13 August 2017 10: 24
          0
          Quote: vlanis
          I, as a connoisseur of the Old Russian language, don’t know what the word Armata means?

          Thanks for the addition. laughing Just - I'm not vindictive, only a good memory - the discussion of 2015 was remembered when there was a conversation about Armata ... laughing
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 12 August 2017 07: 47
    +3
    Russia is the creator, Europe and the USA are destroyers .. During the 20th century, the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires were destroyed, Yugoslavia when a single country was needed, created, no longer needed, Czechoslovakia, Libya, the country is no longer united, Iraq is all against everyone, list can continue ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 12 August 2017 12: 13
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      , Europe and the USA are destroyers.

      By the way, the governments of the USSR and the Russian Federation also supported inaction the war against Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. So, the Chistopol (it seems) factory even produced a Komandirsky watch for the “liberators of Kuwait,” in other words, the American army.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 12 August 2017 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: iouris
        By the way, the governments of the USSR and the Russian Federation also supported inaction the war against Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya.

        Oh how! Another enemy, ready to fight around the world until the last Russian soldier.
        And why should Russia have to protect them? I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Russia left without its help all those who were friends on both sides, even Ukraine did not regret.
      2. tanit
        tanit 12 August 2017 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: iouris
        By the way, the governments of the USSR and the Russian Federation also supported inaction the war against Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya. So, the Chistopol (it seems) factory even produced a Komandirsky watch for the “liberators of Kuwait,” in other words, the American army.

        By the way, you can personally order any pattern on the dial. Though a victory in Tsushima. (and I'm not talking about Japan) request
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 12 August 2017 14: 41
        +1
        iouris
        Igilovschina and moderate barmaley in Syria, Russia came up with? and this same Russia is making every effort to dismember Syria?
      4. vlanis
        vlanis 13 August 2017 06: 48
        0
        The Chistopol plant produced commander watches from the sixties of the last century. and as such they were not an order of the MO. they just invented a brand, and you could buy them at any military office. And the fact that the states bought them, so why not, cheaply and angrily.
  11. Catherine II
    Catherine II 12 August 2017 08: 50
    +6
    these were not gifts at all ...
    and each country can “boast” that it contributed to someone’s independence.
    It was in the interests of the country or individuals, especially against this background, a gift from Rosiii sounds somehow strange, during the collapse of the USSR, what gifts are there? They ruined the country, but are proud that they "presented" INDEPENDENCE
    WE CAN BE Proud THERE BEFORE 1917
    RI collapsed - lost grounds for pride?
    Destroyed the USSR, a reason for pride?
    We’ll be proud of the Russian Federation ... we’ll give independence to a bunch of countries ... hooray .. whether request
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: Catherine II
      We’ll be proud of the Russian Federation ... we’ll give independence to a bunch of countries ... hooray .. whether

      Looking at your pro-European Banderostan, only complete watered-out lawlessers and scumbags will want to follow the path of the Maydan.
      What happened on the territory when it was called Ukraine became a vaccine even for Russian liberals. Only the most stubborn types of Gozman and Sytin (with the verbal support of Zhora Amnuel) are ready only in words to follow the covenants of shit democracy. But they continue to live and work fruitfully in the "land of slaves", as your jumpers shouted on the Maidan, under the rule of tyrant Putin.
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 12 August 2017 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Looking at your pro-European Banderostan, only complete watered-out lawlessers and scumbags will want to follow the path of the Maydan.

        If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented! Just to take a look at Ukraine .. take a break from Russia and do not ask unnecessary questions and generally keep quiet ..
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: Catherine II
          If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented!

          Thanks to Grushevsky with aphid corn.
          Today you are a malignant tumor. But "European oncologists" consider this tumor "the germ of democracy."
    2. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 10: 15
      +2
      quote = Catherine II] YOU CAN BE Proud OF THERE BEFORE 1917 [/ quote]

      belay Why didn’t they start from Alaska? Or not from Hawaii ?: Or not from the Cyclades?
      RI - still was, and the territory - left. request
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 12 August 2017 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: tanit
        RI - still was, and the territory - left.

        They came and went, then they came as much as possible in the times of RI. But after all, they were not proud of the sale of Alaska in the USSR either!
        And now in the Russian Federation it has already become pride ... gave everyone independence. request
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 11: 52
          +1
          Koenigsberg - in the USSR became Kaliningrad. hi And no one like Russian now, right? hi
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 11: 57
            +3
            Quote: tanit
            Is not it?

            "So-so-so" - answered the machine gun .... laughing
            "In the house of the hanged man it is not customary to mention the rope"
            lol
            1. tanit
              tanit 12 August 2017 12: 00
              +2
              "So-and-so-so-the machine gunner said. So-and-so-so-the machine-gun answered"? laughing
              1. tanit
                tanit 12 August 2017 12: 03
                +1
                At the border, birches rustled.
                Where now we had to fight
                They served one - two namesakes were friends
                And both call Maxims.

                There was one intelligent machine gunner,
                Meet my Maxim,
                And the other machine gun was the easel
                Also called Maxim.

                Closely bound by the friendship of the old
                They took formidable battles
                Inseparable, friendly couple
                Both namesakes are Maxims of mine.

                Very accurately suggests the gunner,
                And Maxim is like a bolt of lightning;
                So, so, so - the machine gunner says,
                So-so-so - the machine gun says!

                From a fragment of a German grenade
                It didn’t happen to protect him,
                The machine gunner was injured guys
                The machine gun was damaged Maxim.

                Days of healing pass by
                And my friend was made a repair,
                And again, both namesake Maxim
                Returning together to the front.

                And at the front, hot and biting
                The hurricane fight is buzzing again
                And again serve — two namesakes are friends,
                And both call Maxims.

                Again, just pointing the gunner,
                And Maxim is like a bolt of lightning;
                So, so, so - the machine gunner says,
                So-so-so - the machine gun says!

                Music: S. Katz Lyrics: V. Dykhovichny

                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 12: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: tanit
                  Music: S. Katz[b] [/ b] Words: V. Dykhovichny

                  And I kept thinking - "With what-o-o-o-o-o-o-odin starts?"
                  1. tanit
                    tanit 12 August 2017 12: 21
                    +1
                    S. Katz did not offer to surrender. request laughing
    3. Hoc vince
      Hoc vince 12 August 2017 15: 59
      0
      Well, and not ashamed of us, for all sorts of sovereignty, help? Is it time to start repenting for this?
  12. 0255
    0255 12 August 2017 09: 29
    +1
    You forgot to add that the Russian Empire supported the North during the American Civil War, making the United States independent of Britain. To know then what this will turn into in the future ...
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: 0255
      You forgot to add that the Russian Empire supported the North during the American Civil War, making the United States independent of Britain. To know then what this will turn into in the future ...

      belay Ahem ... North, Russia, of course, supported. But the independence of the United States about a hundred years ago as before the indicated support was obtained, no? recourse request
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 August 2017 12: 20
      0
      Quote: 0255
      To know then what this will turn into in the future.

      RI could not influence the outcome of this war: it had no forces. Therefore, the Crimean Wars and Alaska with Russian California, the Hawaiian Islands and Port Arthur were lost. It depends on the technology of Aglitz. To shoe an flea of ​​England, you must first buy it.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 August 2017 12: 33
        0
        Quote: iouris
        To shoe an flea of ​​England, you must first buy it.

        Grounded. I stopped dancing. laughing
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 12 August 2017 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: 0255
      The Russian Empire supported the North during the American Civil War, making the United States independent of Britain

      Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 August 2017 13: 21
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...

        Well, it's almost true. The South then, in their Civil - was not yet. request laughing
  13. Novus
    Novus 12 August 2017 10: 57
    0
    [quote] [/ quote] To whom Russia gave statehood

    More precisely, she did not present, but returned them to their rightful owners.
    1. tanit
      tanit 12 August 2017 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: Novus
      More precisely, she did not present, but returned them to their rightful owners.

      belay And who is it? The "legitimate" owners of the Baltic states are Danes, for example. Then - Poles and Swedes. request laughing
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 11: 36
        +4
        In 1721, under the Nystadt Peace Treaty, the former Swedish Livonia, Livonia province (German: Gouvernement Livland, Est. Liivimaa kubermang, Latvian.Vidzemes guberņa) and Riga were annexed to Russia. The treaty changed the Russian-Swedish border, previously enshrined in the Stolbovsky Peace Treaty of 1617 of the year. Sweden recognized the accession of Livonia, Estonia, Ingermanland, part of Karelia to Russia
        Everything else is speculation.
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 11: 56
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Everything else is speculation.

          Not really. After the abdication of Nicholas "holy dash of bloody" treaties of the Empire expired, there was no country "party to the treaty." Thanks February 1917.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 12 August 2017 12: 01
            +3
            Quote: tanit
            After Nicholas renounced the "holy dash of blood", the treaties of the Empire expired, and the country of "party to the treaty" did not become.

            Whoa, how? what
            Try to apply this maxim to a country that already has the 5-th republic in history, not counting kings and queens without an account ....
            There was even a Directory ....
            laughing
            1. tanit
              tanit 12 August 2017 12: 13
              +2
              France? What’s the matter with her? Heroically confirmed their rights. request Especially in the Second World War. Winning country laughing As far as I know, according to the toys of his son, on the Reichstag, you can now hang American and English flags. Soon - French and Polish will be possible. request laughing
              And if without jokes - then France was losing, changing its status. Mexico, for example. hi
              1. Gaddy pope
                Gaddy pope 12 August 2017 22: 36
                0
                Mexico has never been a colony of France, it always belonged to Spain, and the Viceroy was found there (one of two).
                1. tanit
                  tanit 13 August 2017 10: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Gad Daddy
                  Mexico has never been a colony of France, it always belonged to Spain, and the Viceroy was found there (one of two).

                  belay Yah? Never never? Have you tried to study? request Give it a try. Learn a lot of new things. laughing
      2. iouris
        iouris 12 August 2017 12: 21
        0
        The legal owner of Kurlyadiya is the Russian emperor. He bought it and conquered it. In order not to lose the rest and return the selected, we need science, technology and manpower.
        1. tanit
          tanit 12 August 2017 12: 31
          0
          Quote: iouris
          The legal owner of Kurlyadiya is the Russian emperor. He bought it and conquered it. In order not to lose the rest and return the selected, we need science, technology and manpower.

          and one more trifle - the Emperor. wassat
          1. iouris
            iouris 12 August 2017 12: 44
            0
            Not an emperor, but a project is needed. The Russian empire had its own grandiose imperial project. He was replaced by a grandiose Soviet communist project. The former USSR became part of someone else's grandiose project. I'm afraid this is not being treated.
            1. tanit
              tanit 12 August 2017 12: 58
              +1
              Ahem .. Announce all the grandeur of RI projects? By 1930, a church school in every village? request
              1. tanit
                tanit 12 August 2017 13: 03
                0
                You know, there were such "machine gun" courses.? Do you know why? Not because of the speed of learning, no. Just - to own a machine gun - besides Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland - even knowledge and skills were needed. request The Bolsheviks were able to solve the problem. White is the same. But RI-no. request
      3. long in stock.
        long in stock. 12 August 2017 14: 59
        0
        How is it? We gave money to the Swedes for the Baltic states? The goods are not subject to purchase-return ...
        1. tanit
          tanit 13 August 2017 10: 34
          0
          Quote: Long in stock.
          we gave money to the Swedes for the Baltic states?

          Yes, not quite the money paid for it. "Perepolodelichalis" in Swedish territory, which, it seems, was not culturally and somehow not European. laughing The agreement did not say that the money was for the Baltic states. laughing
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 13 August 2017 16: 57
            0
            really? I honestly don’t remember, but it was postponed that I bought it .. I first seized it and then I gave the money back .. sometimes the games of the autocrats are not clear ..
  14. radiola
    radiola 12 August 2017 14: 30
    0
    Syria - the third time already, Spain, China, Korea, Laos, Algeria, Yemen,
    Vietnam, Mozambique, Angola, Ethiopia, Cuba, Libya, Abkhazia, ...
    Alexander the Great, walked in the Urals and Siberia. In total, I received
    noble lyuley, dumped to his home.
    1. vlanis
      vlanis 13 August 2017 06: 02
      0
      "Alexander the Great, walked in the Urals and Siberia" I’ve dug the source of this information in the studio, but pay attention to the name of the site. In short, something from the repertoire of the respected Mikhail Zadorny.
  15. captain
    captain 12 August 2017 16: 26
    0
    All that goes to the "ball" or for nothing, when does not cause respect from the party receiving the "ball".
  16. Jesus_christ
    Jesus_christ 12 August 2017 18: 58
    0
    Yes, in 1941-45, the USSR was grinding the armies - its own, hehe. (According to statistics, the losses among Soviet soldiers were 2 times greater than that of Germany and its allies), And as for Austria, there people speak German and consider themselves part of
    independent German culture, only a minority of idiots and illiterate immigrants believe in nonsense about "liberation".
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 12 August 2017 21: 34
      +1
      only as the state of Austria has a long pedigree. but you can’t say the same about Germany. history lessons can help you. well, or at least google ...
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  17. Mikhail Maznev_2
    Mikhail Maznev_2 12 August 2017 22: 27
    0
    In the 16th century, the world Slavic empire collapsed. It turns out that every single state of the planet owes its birth to Russia. But this is not the end of the history of the collapse of the empire. The world will return to rural nomadic communities.
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  19. Gaddy pope
    Gaddy pope 12 August 2017 22: 34
    +1
    The United States, if memory serves, also gained their independence due to Russia's non-interference in Nagliya’s attempt to return them back to their empire. Including by using the protection of Russia's merchant ships by the navy.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 04: 14
      +1
      Well yes, armed neutrality is such armed neutrality. The British privateers could not even get to the bottom of Russian ships.
  20. Oleg Podmoskovny
    Oleg Podmoskovny 12 August 2017 22: 41
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    All this, of course, is true, but I just don’t understand why our people still live in shit. All the positive moments about our country are the memories of past merits or the prediction that Russia will one day save the whole planet. And what about the present ?? 17 years building a bright future ....
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    1. angor
      angor 13 August 2017 01: 01
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      I don’t understand! Be more eloquent please !?
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 04: 15
        +1
        Do you like the "stream of consciousness" to read? Your tastes are strange ...
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    1. Emery
      Emery 13 August 2017 09: 40
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      Saving agent started the war? Fantastic stupid man
    2. tanit
      tanit 13 August 2017 10: 36
      +1
      Quote: Askar Askar Askar
      The Russians made a state whirlwind in Syria with the help of the KGB of the USSR, and now Putin is saving the skin of his agent Alavit Assad

      Hey, shahid, throw your address, simplify the task for Shiites from the KNB. wink
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 18 August 2017 09: 40
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        Quote: tanit
        Hey, shahid, throw your address, simplify the task for Shiites from the KNB.

        have they changed faith in the KNB or what? laughing
  23. BOPOH50
    BOPOH50 13 August 2017 02: 37
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    Quote: Askar Askar Askar
    Bulgaria they are from the Türks from the Edil River. And they freed the slaves of the Rhine Slavs from the yoke of the Orthodox Persians, Türk, Arab, Jew, Greek mestizo peoples it is Byzantium. Russian great storytellers

    If only Veikko Korhonen is Russian, thanks to Askar Askar Askar. And as for the rest ....., it was unnecessary in the history lessons to catch a raven.
  24. vlanis
    vlanis 13 August 2017 06: 11
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    Quote: Jesus_Christ
    Yes, in 1941-45, the USSR was grinding the armies - its own, hehe. (According to statistics, the losses among Soviet soldiers were 2 times greater than that of Germany and its allies), And as for Austria, there people speak German and consider themselves part of
    independent German culture, only a minority of idiots and illiterate immigrants believe in nonsense about "liberation".

    Well - well, and you, I see no objection to pampering in Russian.
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  26. Allah Akbar
    Allah Akbar 14 August 2017 11: 52
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    oh no magician laughs crushes-the whole world pashol at the race of mangolia and australia-gods of the earth
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 14 August 2017 17: 27
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      Got a Romanian passport?
  27. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 14 August 2017 17: 26
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    USA again helped to fight with Great Britain
  28. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 14 August 2017 18: 35
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    Imagine how some of our colleagues from the post-Soviet space bombed after this:

    10-13. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, were never separate states and were formed only as part of the USSR.


    Especially if you take Azerbaijan wassat There, according to their history books, statehood is almost a thousand years old, and it comes either from the Medes or from the Sumerians ...
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 18 August 2017 09: 45
      +1
      Well, if you read the story, it seems like Azerbaijan is part of the ancient Media. Then, already in the Middle Ages, Caucasian Albania was ...
      Turkmenistan was a member of various Turkic states ...
      Kazakhstan - Turkic Kaganate, the state of Karakhanids, the Khorezm state, the Golden Horde, then the White Horde (Ak Horde), then Mogulistan, the Kazakh Khanate, etc.
  29. kig
    kig 15 August 2017 04: 58
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    Cho (Veikko Koghonen) struck him for such research? With a hangover chtol? Or Putin's order? Mr. is at risk. Right now, his counterintelligence under the hood, and Lita, etc. will make banned ..
  30. nezvaniy_gost
    nezvaniy_gost 17 August 2017 13: 36
    +1
    "22-. Russia's position allowed Germany to unite in 1990 ..."
    An interesting position was cancer :)) If it were not for the Soviet occupation forces, the German people would unite in the years of the 50s, if not earlier. If there was an opportunity, then the troops would not have withdrawn for another 100 years. Or maybe they would even unite by force and make a single country-the GDR with all the delights of whom. mode.
    But the country overcame, the economy rolled down. And what was the choice? Circumstances forced, so ascribing this plus to the piggy bank is simply hypocrisy.
    Bulgaria as a state already existed when the word "Rus" did not yet exist.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 04: 22
      +1
      ???????? Wow of knowledge. In fact, the Allies suggested that Germany be torn back to a small riffraff, so the two Germanys are de facto the preservation of statehood. Next: what about the economy? Rolled down? So ask at your leisure: WHEN did it roll down? So just during the withdrawal of troops from the GDR and rolled to hell. And then the capitalists of the FRG went bankrupt and bought everything that could be on the territory of the GDR. Even further: how many centuries about Bulgaria only how about such a geographic area? Offhand - four centuries. With the Ottomans.
      1. nezvaniy_gost
        nezvaniy_gost 18 August 2017 15: 14
        +1
        You would first just look at the dates yourself. 1986 the fall in oil prices to $ 12 - this de facto began the fall of the Soviet economy, say, a little ineffective + burdened war in Afghanistan. Bread has been imported for several decades, bought from the capitalists (Karl, bread!). They borrowed money from the imperialists. Debts were already 30 lard. And the conclusion of the GBV happened in the 90s.
        The article dealt with the unification of Germany in the 90s, and they say that it was the position of the USSR that contributed to this. YES contributed, but this was done not from a good life, but because I had problems above the roof, I seem to have reached debts of about 90 lard. And money was still needed, and in order to receive it, it was necessary to "drain" the GDR. Although, by any means, without the PGW, the comm. Regime in the GDR would not have lasted long. The German people themselves wanted reunion. And even if they were divided into five parts, I think by the age of 90 they would still be reunited.
        And what does the action of the capitalists of Germany have to do with it then?
        I do not argue that Bulgaria was conquered by Osm. Empire and its territory colonized by the Turks. Another important thing is whether the Bulgarians remembered their statehood and wished for its restoration? Yes, because quite often they revolted; they preserved their language, writing, and religion. so their state is not artificially created. They got what they wanted as a result of the confrontation between the two empires, and the weakening of one of them. Sooner or later, but that would happen. Just like the collapse of the USSR. Now what, should former republics pray in the USA? I believe not.
  31. Raphael 2
    Raphael 2 17 August 2017 17: 01
    +2
    You can arbitrarily say how good it was under the Union, and how wonderful and beautiful it was. But we must not forget that during the Union there were massive repressions and famines (artificially created). 50% of the population is deliberately destroyed in only one Kazakh SSR. And how much was exiled? To believe the statistics of the times of the USSR is like entrusting a goat with cabbage. I'm not talking about the infringement of nationalities for the sake of the title. I remember what was done to Georgia, then the Internet was in its infancy, and the West forgave this little "prank". I also remember Chechnya, and I will remember how they dealt with "fraternal" Ukraine. And finally: when you, with your 1% of the global GDP, spit in the face of the world community, it is wiped out. But when the whole world community spits on you, YOU Drown!
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 August 2017 04: 40
      +1
      Mass repressions were not as massive as any Amnueli and Co. portray them. This is the first.
      The famines were not artificial, but caused by drought (or did the evil Bolsheviks even control the weather?). This is the second.
      Fine. If you believe the statistics are not Soviet, then what? The one in which you can draw any numbers without supporting documents (unlike the Soviet one)? This is the third.
      And what kind of nation they infringed on is the title one, especially with regard to the economic development of the regions. I don’t know myself, I was born and raised already in Russia, but my relatives told me a lot of things. This is the fourth.
      Fifth. Chechnya has separately tried to secede from Russia. If it came out, it would go the second "parade of sovereignty." Which stopped. Hard. That's just because of the "stupid people" from the government, not only did the first war drag out, but it ended with nothing, so I had to finalize everything in the second.
      Sixth. Georgia attacked peacekeepers in South Ossetia. And this is a precedent. For which they raked non-acidic lyuli. And she received little more - the troops stopped not far from Tbilisi.
      Seventh. “Fraternal” Ukraine also helped to kill Russian soldiers in the Chechen fighters, and helped the Georgians during the war, and for the fourth year already, the Russian genocide in the Donbass has been successfully. So this is someone who is ugly doing. And if there was a hint of the Crimea - so there was a popular referendum, they didn’t put Kalashnikovs in the temple. Or freedom of expression of will - a fiction?
      The eighth. Well, well, Russia, which has been drowning for the third year already, has already gone on the fourth. And honestly - even let them spit for a dozen or two years, then we will certainly raise our economy. Finally. Especially if, nevertheless, the economic bloc of the government changes, and at the same time the economic strategy. And by the way, it is not the world community that spits, but the USA and a flock of its jackals and smaller canine dogs (tribals to jackals generally still grow and grow). So if they spit, we do everything right.

      And in general - writing for money is not good, it’s almost a kind of prostitution. Although, yes, I forgot, the money does not smell ...
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 18 August 2017 08: 32
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      Do not forget about the use of the brain, and for the nonsense about 50% of the allegedly destroyed population, you can not answer too frailly. Although it’s already clear from the flag that the separatist is from a yurt, with a toilet in the steppe, who fell off a piece of original Russian territories, and who, more or less, lives, and does not slide down to the level of Uzbeks with Tajiks, only at the expense of the remaining Russian population.
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 18 August 2017 09: 51
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        You have a maydown of a brain campaign ...
        The fact that under Goloshchekin in the 20s and 30s they destroyed the nomads with hunger is a well-known fact! The main food product of the Kazakhs in those days was livestock. He was seized under the pretext of combating the "nomadic way of life" and the type of dispossession. There is no food, no means of transportation in the bare steppe, is there grass? You would turn on your head sometimes!
        Well, the originality of the Russian land - so it is within the Golden Ring - everything else is not the original land, but conquered! Do you still go and Tatarstan and Kazan consider primordial-poskonny ?! fool
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 18 August 2017 13: 05
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          Well, of course, for example, the "Kazakh" city of Pavlodar.

          In Tatarstan, I live and natively Russian land, I think that soon 500 years, as ours will be, and I consider the Tatars my own.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 18 August 2017 23: 11
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            Why don’t you like that? Do you think Pavlodar was put in an empty place from scratch? Yes, all modern cities put it on the site of ancient cities and Pavlodar is no exception! It was put on the site of the ancient Kipchak city of Kimakia (Imakia).

            Don’t tell the Tatars that Tatarstan is a primordially Russian land, or you won’t even look at the fact that you consider them “yours”, they will tear your head off! laughing
          2. nezvaniy_gost
            nezvaniy_gost 2 September 2017 23: 01
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            do you think your serfs?
  32. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 August 2017 08: 29
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    But the Austrians, who are also Germans, really want this independence? After WWII, they wanted to go to Germany. Czechoslovakia collapsed itself, they do not want to live together, well, so no one forces.
  33. Raphael 2
    Raphael 2 19 August 2017 18: 48
    +2
    Especially for patients with brain wool. You traveled during the USSR at the expense of others. Yes, and now they’re not far gone, where do you get diamonds? Yakutia, Chukotka, etc. And what are YOU AHEAD HEAD GIVEN THEM REALLY PRESENT? BARACKS OF TIMES OF STALINISM? VODKA YES ANKEDOTY ABOUT THE DECK OF DUCH?
    To listen to you so you saved the whole world, but all states have formed. THERE WERE FORMED BY YOURSELF TATARO MONGOLS AS A ULUS! YES STILL MANAGING A HUMPBAR FORMULA! LISTEN YES LOOK BIG MORE KISEL YES CALIBRATION. YOUR NON-IMPORTED AMBITIONS WILL LEAD THE WORLD TO CONDITION. EVERYWHERE EVERYBODY ALL YEAR PREPARE. EVEN BALALAYKA YES BOOTS WASHED, WHAT TO SAY THAT? WORD MIXED YES AND ONLY. Ps. Until you give back what you took, nothing good shines on you. Glory to Ukraine!!! Glory to the heroes!!!