Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

Ukrainian-British company Stiletto Systems Ltd. revealed the details of the BS-13 bullet designed to equip sniper and assault rifles, reports the publication Defence Blog. The new series of ammunition from the company Stiletto Systems is designed to support tactical level operations on the battlefield. New ammunition provides for breaking through all modern body armor and light armored vehicles, including infantry fighting vehicles.

In September last year, the company Stiletto Systems held a presentation of its products to the armed forces of Ukraine. According to the company, a new series of bullets will have even greater armor penetration. So, in the course of the latest tests, the VSU tested BS-13 cartridges of 7,62 × 51 caliber mm.

Chuck BS-13

During testing, the STL-016 sniper rifle and BS-13 cartridges were used. Shooting was conducted from a distance 220 m on a sheet of bronestali brand ARMSTAL 500 20,5 mm thick. A series of three shots fired at right angles pierced through the armor plate through. In the conclusion of the expert commission of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is stated that the new bullets manufactured by Stiletto Systems Ltd are capable of stopping Soviet-made armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles at a distance of 450 m.

Stiletto Systems - Ukrainian-British company developing ammunition and small weapon. According to its technical director Alexander Kalachev, the personnel and development are completely Ukrainian, but since in the UK it was easier to register an arms company and go through a licensing procedure, officially Stiletto Systems is considered Ukrainian-British.

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[Finches]

Yeah ..., Ukrainians densely sat on the Anglo-Saxon h ... cartridge!

[vovanpain]

Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

Crested and British scientists. but.

[Alex_Rarog]

Counterquestion. And will the BMP drive up at point blank range? Or freaking from a kilometer?

[DMB_95]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Counterquestion. And will the BMP drive up at point blank range? Or freaking from a kilometer?

And another question - what kind of "assault rifles" in the APU use a cartridge 7,62x51 ??

[pjastolov]

And another question - what are the "assault rifles" in the APU

a competent question is the 308 caliber, it is 3 mm shorter than ours, there is no such combined arms weapon, and it’s more expensive than our Sovdepov weapons, and they won’t be able to remake the trunks and the crumb - very expensive

[Shurik70]

We somehow forgot that the Dyagterev machine gun developed in 1927 also penetrates both BMPs and armored personnel carriers, and at far greater distances.
And his caliber is 7,62x54

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We somehow forgot that the Dyagterev machine gun developed in 1927 also penetrates both BMPs and armored personnel carriers, and at far greater distances.
And his caliber is 7,62x54

Do not write nonsense !!! DShK has a caliber of 12,7 mm and it was developed in 1938 by the designers Degtyarev and Shpagin ...

[not main]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

DShK has a caliber of 12,7 mm and it was developed in 1938 by the designers Degtyarev and Shpagin ...

And who told you that we are talking about DShK? We are talking about DP chambered for 7,62x54!

[cast iron]

According to the Soviet TTZ, both BMP and BTR are obliged to keep at close range non-heat-strengthened bullets 7,62x54. Obliged to keep point-blank at any angle. This is a requirement of the USSR Ministry of Defense in the 1960s. Therefore, it is you who write nonsense.

[Shurik70]

Quote: cast iron

According to the Soviet TTZ, both BMP and BTR are obliged to keep at close range non-heat-strengthened bullets 7,62x54. Obliged to keep point-blank at any angle.

As far as I know (I don’t remember the source) - according to the BMP-1 technical assignment, the armor was supposed to hold an armor-piercing bullet from any direction of caliber ... 7,62x51, and by no means 7,62x54.
In the forehead, it holds a 23mm caliber, released from 500m
In addition, Diagterev has a longer barrel length than a regular Kalash, so the bullet speed is greater. That is why the armor-piercing 7,62x54 from Dyagter penetrate the BMP-1 side (but not the forehead), and Kalash with the same bullets does not
At the expense of the same BMP-3, it already holds armor-piercing 12,7 from 100m. Such a Digger, of course, will not take.

[Couchexpert]

Quote: Shurik70

In addition, Diagterev has a longer barrel length than a regular Kalash, so the bullet speed is greater. That is why the armor-piercing 7,62x54 from Dyagter penetrate the BMP-1 side (but not the forehead), and Kalash with the same bullets does not

Kalash’s bullets are not the same at all, because they are part of the cartridge 7,62x39 arr. 1943 (if it is the early Kalash) or 5,45x39, and they have a different design, and the initial speed is naturally lower than that of the rifle 7,62x54.

[Shurik70]

Quote: CouchExpert

Kalash’s bullets are not the same at all, because they are part of the cartridge 7,62x39 arr. 1943 (if it is the early Kalash) or 5,45x39, and they have a different design, and the initial speed is naturally lower than that of the rifle 7,62x54.

Thank. I mean "bullets of the same caliber"

[cast iron]

I’m figuring on you - “experts” who have heard something somewhere)))) Dear friend, TTZ MO is a very serious thing. And if the equipment does not correspond to him in the army, then the team of designers, technologists and directors leaves with all kagal to cut down the forest in Magadan for sabotage, wrecking and forgery of documentation and tests. It was like that in the USSR.
So, the NATO 7,62x51 is obviously weaker than the Soviet 7,62x54R in armor penetration. And TTZ on BMPs and armored personnel carriers was given specifically on 7,62x54R bullets fired from a machine gun. So all your “I heard somewhere” - they’re not worth a penny. But I heard that "Kalash" punches the rail. This bike is very famous.

Into the BMP-3 account. Boards BMP-3 are not able to hold 12,7mm. at distances up to 300m. This is a fact and a serious flaw in the armor protection of this certainly excellent machine.

[Skif83]

Probably, nevertheless, the author means DP ((Degtyareva infantry, GAU index - 56-P-321 arr. 1938), and not DShK!

[LeonidL]

Well, they won’t catch up, so at least they’ll warm up ... otherwise it’s all a hammer and a hammer ...

[user1212]

Quote: DMB_95

And another question - what kind of "assault rifles" in the APU use a cartridge 7,62x51 ??

STL-016, aka Armata-Killer this is a mosquito on a new bed and with a modified shutter. The essence of the new cartridge is approximately 1.5 times the energy of the powder charge. How long will the rifle withstand such bullying ...

[Zaurbek]

Mosink can withstand, SVD-no, RMB will wedge ...

[Evil543]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Counterquestion. And will the BMP drive up at point blank range? Or freaking from a kilometer?

Addition to the question, where is the BMP angle of 90 in the frontal projection?

[DEPARTMENT]

I understand that this will be the supply of Svidomo to the ATO zone ..? Like joint development and have the right to use them .. Clever! Nobody and nothing will save the junta ... In vain the gentlemen of the Anglo-Saxons and your "partners from Israel" are trying ... All you have is little Russian blood .. Well, well ..!

[Observer2014]

DEPARTMENT

I understand that this will be the supply of Svidomo to the ATO zone ..? Like joint development and have the right to use them .. Clever!

Not really. Since 1941, our bullets penetrate BMP. So all this is bullshit. And panic is inappropriate.

[Morm]

I don’t know about Donbass oegineto

[poquello]

Quote: vovanpain

Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

Crested and British scientists. but.

if our pistols with special cartridges break through the armor, why can't their rifles?

[Jedi]

As I understand it, now Ukraine will ask for money to establish the mass production of such ammunition and anti-tank weapons (Poroshenko’s anti-tank rifle)?

[pjastolov]

Stiletto Systems Ltd’s new bullets are capable of stopping Soviet-made armored personnel carriers and Soviet infantry fighting vehicles at distances of up to 450 m.

if someone shot at a moving target, let him explain the hit at right angles beautifully shot, but Kalash breaks the rail

[jonhr]

where is it breaking through?

[pjastolov]

did you shoot?

[jonhr]

I know that it’s not piercing simply. but you are rushing about with bikes. Yes, I shot from AKM and AK-74, but not on the rail. and if you want to know then just read about the bulletproof armor of 7,62

[pjastolov]

these are not stories, I shot, but I don’t know where you shot
for you specifications

7,62 BZ (GRAU Index - 57-BZ-231) - a cartridge with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet BZ
Мacca cartridge, g - 15,7
Bullet weight, g - 7,6
Bullet length, mm - 27,7
Muzzle velocity, m / s - 720-740, 715-725 (AKM assault rifle)
Muzzle energy of a bullet, J - 1909,4 - 2068,3 (AKM assault rifle)
The top of the bullet is painted black with a red belt.
The cartridge is designed to defeat lightly armored targets, ignite the fuel located behind the armor or in a thick-walled container; and to defeat manpower, located behind light armored covers at a range of up to 300 m. The cartridge was produced with a brass or bimetallic sleeve. An armor-piercing incendiary bullet consists of a steel shell coated with a tompak shell with a tompak tip, a heat-treated steel core with a lead jacket and an incendiary compound located in a lead tray. When the bullet hits the armor, the lead pan, moving by inertia forward, compresses the incendiary composition and thereby ignites it. The flame, through a hole pierced by a steel core, penetrates the reserved space and is able to ignite the fuel. An armor-piercing incendiary bullet pierces a steel helmet at a distance of 1100 m and a fragmentation-proof bulletproof vest at a distance of 1000 m. A 7 mm thick armor sheet pierces at a distance of 330 m. An inclined black and red strip is applied on cardboard packs, metal boxes and wooden boxes with ammunition.

I have the honor

[jonhr]

OK. rail thickness in the thinnest part is 18 mm. and this is not ordinary raw steel, but alloy steel. SVD still has a chance with an armor-piercing incendiary, but AKM will not break. so don't be so sure the shooter who shot
By the way there is a video in YouTube where they shoot at the rail with armor-piercing incendiary and do not pierce. this is for you so a beginner's guide

[Retvizan 8]

Personally, in the nineties he checked the bike about breaking through the "Kalashnikov" rails:
By the nature of the service, he had at his disposal an AKMS 74 assault rifle, a cartridge of 7,62, and fired at the “neck” of the rails from a distance of about 15 meters, between the base and its upper part, at about a right angle. Only a small trace of the type of opal remained. I didn’t break through.

[pjastolov]

Only a small trace of the type of opal remained. I didn’t break through.

conventional cartridge:
7,62 PS (GAU Index - 57-N-231)
will not break, completely agree with this

[agronomist2]

Mr. Retvisan 8, tell me more about the wunderwafer AKMS74 under cartridge 7,62. Did you use your service?

[Captain45]

Quote: Retvizan 8

By type of service, he had at his disposal an AKMS 74 submachine gun, an 7,62 cartridge,

It’s you, old man, you cast a bullet, there will be more abruptly 7,62 mm. AKM / AKMS-74 has a caliber of 5,45 mm.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, litter if you messed up all the same twenty years have passed, then I look many strong theorists were found, but maybe not 74, but just AKMS and exactly 7,62 here you won’t catch me in a lie, I'll try to upload a photo.

[Retvizan 8]

Here is my machine gun.

[Curious]

The fighters in the photo are AKM with the GP-25 grenade launcher. Some partisans.

[Curious]

AKMS 74 has a caliber of 5,45 mm. The neck of the rail may be 7 mm, may be 20 mm. Which shot?

[Retvizan 8]

The rail looked more like a rail from a trolley.

[jonhr]

Akms 74 does not exist in nature. there is an ax under 5,45, and there is still an aks. the last letter means folding. so exactly akms is 7,62

[Khazarin]

Quote: Retvizan 8

By nature of service, he had at his disposal an AKMS 74 assault rifle, cartridge 7,62

Do not tell my hooves! Such machines did not exist in nature! Here are a number of existing assault rifles, AK-47, AKM-47, AKMS-47, AKS-74, AKSU-74, AK-74M for all 74 caliber 5,45.

[user1212]

Quote: Khazarin

Do not tell my hooves! Such machines did not exist in nature!

AK-103, AK-104

[Borets]

You write nonsense too, AK-47 was only a prototype, AKM-47 did not exist, AKMS-47 did not exist, AKSU-74 did not exist.

[jonhr]

first was ak. so ak is ak-47. then after modernization akm appeared

[Rohan305]

PKM 7.62x54 pierces an oxygen cylinder through from a distance of 800 meters. These are 2 centimeter-thick walls ...

[serezhasoldatow]

That seems to be accurate. He fired from the PKS armor-piercing incendiary 7.62, penetrated the BTR-60 right through, from 100 m.

[Scratchy doll]

7,62 AKM penetrates up to 10m, it is better not to set experiments because ricocheting lesions with a large number of deaths are very frequent.

[kapitan92]

Quote: pjastolov

did you shoot?

The fact is, colleagues, that in the USSR and the Russian Federation there are three guest rails P 50, P65 and P 75, the figures - the weight of 1 m of rail. The weight of a 1m rail on a narrow track is slightly different. Type - weight, of course, the neck thickness and steel grade determine the type of rail. It is not known what type of rail was fired from AKM! Earlier, under the Empire, there were lighter types of rails.

[pjastolov]

there are three guest rails

maybe I’m not a railwayman - I can’t say that it was impossible Well, in general, I knew that there were ordinary gauge and narrow gauge, I thought that they differed in width

[kapitan92]

Quote: pjastolov

there are three guest rails

maybe I’m not a railwayman - I can’t say that it was impossible Well, in general, I knew that there were ordinary gauge and narrow gauge, I thought that they differed in width

We have 1520 (+5, -4), I give with tolerances. In Europe 1435.
In the USSR, the standard gauge for narrow gauge railways was adopted - 750 mm (90% of the length of all lines). Some narrow gauge roads had a width of 600 mm, 900 mm, 1000 mm, on the island of Sakhalin - 1067 mm.

[kapitan92]

In the USSR, the rail gauge is established by GOSTs. Chemical Requirements steel composition, its macrostructure, therm. processing and other indicators are regulated by Dep. standards. According to current GOSTs and TU 9 types of rails are accepted.
Rails of types P11, P15, P18, P24 and P38 are used for narrow gauge railways. d. and recoil tracks in underground operations; P38 and P43 - for broad gauge railways. D. III and IV categories; P50 and P65 — II and I categories; P75 - in an experimental manner for especially heavy-duty highways. Until 1947, rails of types IV-a, III-a and I-a were manufactured, weighing from 30,8 to 43,6 kg, to-ry occupy about 1/5 of the length of the main network paths. e. When reconstructing a track, light-type rails are replaced by a heavier type, and this means economical. effect, since the service life of R. increases.

[Weyland]

Not only. In the captain marks of rails

Quote: kapitan92

P 50, P65 and P 75, numbers - weight of 1 m rail.

- i.e. the difference between different species can be one and a half!

[kapitan92]

Quote: Weyland

- i.e. the difference between different species can be one and a half!

Standard rail rental 25m. When installing the grill, they are welded into a continuous lash of 800m.
P50 length 25m lighter than P65 at 375kg per 25m. The most popular - the main in the Russian Federation P65, P 75 is used on very busy highways - the export of coal, ore, etc.

[pjastolov]

I apologize, it just dawned on me now, this sniper cartridge looked the color of the varnish
fired

The bullet of the cartridge consists of a steel shell clad with tompak, a lead shirt, and a low-carbon steel core. Since 1986, the LPS bullet has been manufactured with a heat-strengthened steel core, which significantly increased its breakdown effect.

Bimetal cartridge case.

After 1970, the bullet of the cartridge does not have a bow color.

The mass of the cartridge is 21,8 grams, the mass of the bullet is 9,6 grams, the initial velocity of the bullet is 820 m / s. [/ Quote]
there is an analogue described in this article
It is used to ignite flammable liquids after breaking through the armor of equipment and to destroy enemy manpower, protected by NIB, as well as being behind light armored covers at ranges up to 500 m. It was adopted by the USSR Armed Forces in 1954, first under the index 57-BZ-323, and since 1956 - 7-BZ-3.

The bullet of the cartridge consists of a shell, steel core, lead shirt and incendiary composition. The head of the shell is painted black with a red sash.

The early version of the bullet had a length of 36,8 mm, its back was conical. Incendiary composition was placed in front of the bullet in front of the steel core. As an incendiary composition, a mixture of aluminum and phosphorus was used, and in later versions of the bullet - termite.

The later version of the bullet was slightly longer than the first, the steel core was moved slightly forward, and the incendiary train was placed not only in the front of the bullet, but also in the rear.

The mass of the cartridge is 22,9 grams, the mass of the bullet is 10,4 grams, the initial velocity of the bullet is 800 m / s. [/ Quote]

[Paranoid50]

Quote: kapitan92

Earlier, under the Empire, there were lighter types of rails.

There he is, the moment of truth. Carefully reading the comments, I was perplexed: everything seems to be right, but, damn it .... The fact is that back in 1984 and 1987, I happened to be several times (yes, we guys lived there practically) at the VVMUPP shooting range, at Fort "Gray Horse". At the end of the next firing, of course, they fled to the target field (Ha, “field” - a toe, two hundred or three hundred meters, protruding into the bay). And they "collected trophies": bullets that went into the sand and got stuck in the rail on which the targets were mounted. So: I remember exactly those that were picking from this rail. There was not a single through penetration, although they went deep. Those that picked out had a different degree of deformation, but most often came across "open petals" with protruding cores. Shooting was carried out from AK-74 (of course, 5.45). The maximum distance is 250 meters, because there, on the bay, you can’t get at all. The rail was old and rusty, perhaps even pre-war. Something like this. Damn, it turns out that the truth is not born in every dispute, sometimes it just lies somewhere, at least as a railway canvas.

[STORM 12]

P65 is the most common

[sogdy]

Tram?
Not complete data.
The alloy also changed.
Before the war, rails from P9, from the 60s - KLN.
Plus marking for different heat treatments.

Spent rails from the Trans-Siberian Railway, ZabVO.
AK-47 with BZ (copper head) sews through the head and sole (nadolba). Range did not look. Through the neck - affecting at least 20 m. Further - the spread is large.

Quote: Borets

AK-47 was only a prototype, AKM-47 did not exist, AKMS-47 did not exist

It's funny Delirium Day?

[Vadivak]

Quote: pjastolov

but Kalash breaks the rail

7,62x54 SNB (GRAU Index - 7N14) - sniper armor-piercing cartridge. About 7,62x39 did not hear

[pjastolov]

7,62 BZ (GRAU Index - 57-BZ-231) I gave the above characteristics, but as former colleagues said in 2000 the armor-piercing was also released, I rummaged through the vast expanses of Internet and that's what I found

7,62 BP (GRAU Index - 7N23) - cartridge with BP armor-piercing bullet
Мacca cartridge, g - 16,3
Мacca bullets, g - 7,9
Bullet length, mm - 27,4
Muzzle velocity, m / s - 725-740
The color of the bullet is a black top.
The cartridge was adopted in 2002. It is intended for engaging live targets in personal protective equipment (located openly or behind light shelters), fire weapons and non-armored vehicles.
It differs from a cartridge with an ordinary PS bullet with a special armor-piercing core. In its manufacture, instead of mild steel, tool steel U12A is used. The shape of the core and the heat treatment process have changed. The rest of the bullet device is similar to a cartridge with a PS bullet.
The new cartridge more than three times surpassed the cartridge with the PS bullet in penetration of solid obstacles. At a distance of 200 m, the armor-piercing core of the new bullet’s bullet pierces the 5 mm 2P ​​armor plate, and at 250 m the bulletproof bulletproof vest type 6B5. At the same time, the mating trajectory of the bullet of the new cartridge with the PS bullet is ensured.

I didn’t shoot from these, and I don’t know what is better

[user1212]

COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

The bullet of the cartridge 7N23 from Saigi from a distance of 25 meters pierced the R-65 rail. The shell, of course, was lost, and the heat-strengthened core went through. Two shots, two holes. With a witness from the forum. Those. the question is closed, the prize goes to the performer - U. Alberta.

Thus, the question "does it strike AK" can be answered by the rail - yes, it does. Serial, albeit armor-piercing, but - I emphasize - factory cartridge, from the serial Saiga.
Let’s hope that the number of people trying to check this will now be reduced, injuries will be reduced and, thus, multi-page debates (well, a certain amount, of course) will not be wasted but will serve a good cause - increasing the amount of human knowledge
http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/2/389647-2.html

[tracer]

but Kalash breaks the rail
Yeah ..... along ...... and with a bayonet shreds like a sausage ..

[pjastolov]

No - butter like butter

[pjastolov]

Crested and British scientists.

Volodya British drill, a very cool thing, and this is a 308 caliber, the common ones are a paw 308, well, like our old 3 rulers, only shorter

[Khazarin]

Quote: pjastolov

like our old 3 rulers, only shorter

It is not only shorter, but also smaller in diameter, our 7,62X54R, in reality, has a diameter of 7,93 mm or in inches 312 caliber. 308Win (7,62X51) has a diameter of 7,85mm, and only 30 caliber has exactly 7,62mm.

[Doublet]

I have long traced the connection between Ukrainian historians and British scholars .. and now .. cooperation .. I thought that they were connected a lot ..

[alekc73]

that the warrior will be broken, bad

[Dart2027]

Quote: alekc73

that the warrior will be broken

No bronik will save from large-caliber sniper rifles. In this sense, nothing is changing.

[Vadim237]

Save only on the armored plate should there be a corresponding panel - then only the exoskeleton.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Vadim237

only on the armored plate should be the corresponding panel

Bronik - in the sense of body armor, not armored personnel carriers.

[Tusv]

Quote: Finches

Yeah ..., Ukrainians densely sat on the Anglo-Saxon h ... cartridge!

Come on. We, as be, also have a standard. This is penetration of armor with an armor-piercing cartridge from SVD. We achieved close indicators to the benchmarks of the end of the last century. Urya comrades British-Ukrainian scientists

[Basarev]

Yes, almost any rifle cartridge sews these BMPs. I don’t really understand how they dare to be called armored vehicles with such cardboard armor.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Basarev

Yes, almost any rifle cartridge sews these BMPs. I don’t really understand how they dare to be called armored vehicles with such cardboard armor.

Not any. At night firing, one BMP-1 shot a line from the PKT to a neighbor in the side. From 100 m, perpendicular. There were dents without breaking. LPS cartridges.

[Titsen]

Quote: Finches

Ukrainians densely sat on the Anglo-Saxon h ... cartridge!

That's it - CARTRIDGE. !

And the bullet - she's just a Fool. !

Afftor news does not count. !

[Mystery12345]

Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

whose infantry fighting vehicle? "Bradley"? ... "Brothers", by hook or by crook, py
hiding seem useful NATO ...

[Finches]

No! AT105 Saxon

[Teberii]

It was written in Soviet production, there is nothing to add here. So against whom they should be used.

[poquello]

every dill sniper now needs a table, rag, protractor and panties with a motor

[Mwg]

Oh, that I can’t believe it ..... So many all kinds of cheerful - idiotic statements from Ukraine have been made lately, that one more, one less .....

[poquello]

Quote: MVG

Oh, that I can’t believe it ..... So many all kinds of cheerful - idiotic statements from Ukraine have been made lately, that one more, one less .....

interesting with a camera operator bicycle or hyperdynamics

[loki565]

7.62, it is doubtful that the BMP would break through, if only the hatch cover, the BMP was fired from a cliff without penetration

[svp67]

Quote: loki565

7.62, it is doubtful that the BMP would break through, if only the hatch cover, the BMP was fired from a cliff without penetration

The roof of the infantry fighting vehicle makes its way out of the FCT at times ... But of course it’s interesting, the angle of inclination of the frontal armored parts of our infantry fighting vehicles is very large and somehow there are doubts.

[poquello]

Quote: svp67

Quote: loki565

7.62, it is doubtful that the BMP would break through, if only the hatch cover, the BMP was fired from a cliff without penetration

The roof of the infantry fighting vehicle makes its way out of the FCT at times ... But of course it’s interesting, the angle of inclination of the frontal armored parts of our infantry fighting vehicles is very large and somehow there are doubts.

Well I said, they need pants with a motor, those that were from Carlson, a friend of Engelson

[tilovaykrisa]

Utsya punches the side of the BPM with an armor-piercing bullet.

[poquello]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

Utsya punches the side of the BPM with an armor-piercing bullet.

about cliff it to

Quote: loki565

just the slope of the armor changes the picture of penetration dramatically

[evil partisan]

British scientists + Svidomo scientists = full fur animal.

[Pereira]

I won’t say anything about Armata, something was scary for her. But this mechanism will not take the bullet.

[loki565]

Quote: svp67

Quote: loki565

7.62, it is doubtful that the BMP would break through, if only the hatch cover, the BMP was fired from a cliff without penetration

The roof of the infantry fighting vehicle makes its way out of the FCT at times ... But of course it’s interesting, the angle of inclination of the frontal armored parts of our infantry fighting vehicles is very large and somehow there are doubts.

What about BMP3? Strengthened booking hatches? It seems that she will have a better overall reservation.

[skomfit]

A series of three shots pierced the armor sheet — is there three shots in the same place? And in order to shoot at 220 meters from an infantry fighting vehicle, it must be at least in diapers, and an infantry fighting vehicle must stand still to get 3 times in the same place. Yes, and as far as I can remember, a Kalashnikov assault rifle with 7,62 armored personnel carriers shot into flash board.

[Ursus]

and (C) "at right angles." And if the angle is 80 degrees? And at 45 degrees, how will the bullet behave, and how many of those rounds will be needed to break through the armor of the BMP?

[Roma 1977]

And they are going to shoot the entire lone-standing BMP with the entire Azov. Knowing ukrorukopopost, so also in their own way, by mistake, they will beat. Yes, it is safer.

[Young_Communist]

Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

All the same, they are worse than the domestic ones, which have no analogues in the world of cartridges for AK, which pierce the rail and the three abrams hiding behind it. Right through.

[tanit]

Quote: Young_Communist

All the same, they are worse than the domestic ones, which have no analogues in the world of cartridges for AK, which pierce the rail and the three abrams hiding behind it. Right through.

I’m embarrassed to ask, will you also be a newcomer? I don’t know how exactly the bullet “for AK” worked for you, apparently at the end it snickered at the dark spot?

[evil partisan]

Quote: tanit

I don’t know how exactly the bullet “for AK” worked for you, apparently at the end it snickered at the dark spot?

Rather, it ricochets from the right hemisphere to the left. Well, where the jelly.

[pjastolov]

Vadim for such know-it-alls, I laid out the characteristics above, so let them go higher and preferably by the forest, do not pay attention to trolls

[Roma 1977]

Clarify: The Ukrainian-British company has developed a bullet penetrating UKRAINIAN BMP.

[Tolstoevsky]

which you can pierce with your finger, if not very squeamish

[Weyland]

Quote: Roma-1977

Punching UKRAINIAN BMP.

Polish, delivered ukraine - just those that after welding turned out cracks of 0,5 m

[1536]

In Ukraine there is no cartridge production. The only cartridge factory was in Lugansk. But the equipment from it was taken to Kiev. It is planned to build a new cartridge plant by the 2026 year, but this is in question. Most likely the British will produce this cartridge at the NATO factories, and Ukraine will buy, being completely dependent.

[Smog]

Quote: 1536

The only cartridge factory was in Lugansk. But the equipment from it was taken to Kiev.

Where does this information come from that the equipment was exported to kuev?
Video March 11, 2016

[1536]

Information, I will not hide, from Ukrainian sources: http://hvylya.net/analytics/economics/patronnyie-
passion-ukrainyi-ili-zachem-nam-patronnyiy-zavod.
html
And in the report the key phrase "Restored its production ..."

[Tolstoevsky]

hellish tandem - british scholars and marginalians

[tilovaykrisa]

Quote: vovanpain

Ukrainian-British company developed bullets piercing infantry fighting vehicles

Crested and British scientists. but.

The only question is how much such cartridges cost, and whether the kakeli have money for them.

[Shender]

in my opinion complete nonsense, chaos and bullshit;)
firstly: where they saw right angles on Soviet technology)
secondly: when we were young (still not frightened, there were a lot of fools) we thrashed at point-blank lines with a PC (which is 7,62) using a decommissioned BTR-60 PB (to the one that depicts an enemy type on a tactical field), and so they punched, only ricochets, what a salute.

[Vadim237]

You shot at armored piercing armor-piercing 7.62?

[Shender]

no ordinary LPS), so here they waved for the whole BMP) "weight categories" are also somehow different)
Yes, and please note that they beat from a distance of 2-3 meters.

[sogdy]

Sorry. But lucky.

[Mountain shooter]

Obvious nonsense. Even with a uranium core. Penetration in three calibers! If for a bullet this is achievable, then it is even more achievable for armor-piercing shells.
But this is not sub-caliber ammunition, and not ultra-fast ...
Panama - foreign - fake ...

[Vadim237]

Armor penetration of three calibers for a bullet is still achievable - a tungsten core and a higher-energy gunpowder in the sleeve.

[Roma 1977]

But the stupid NATA for some reason strives with ATGMs to shoot at everything that is larger than a person.

[Mountain shooter]

Not reachable. Armor-piercing cartridge PTRD caliber 0.60, only a special cartridge with a core of tungsten carbide armor penetration TWO caliber muzzle velocity of 1000 m / s. At a distance of 100 m! Therefore, about the 10 mm armor for the cartridge 7.62x51 you can still believe it, but 20 mm is the Steel 20 is the coolest

[ljoha_d]

Yes, a terrible cartridge for our technology

[Roma 1977]

For Latvian? And you leave the equipment 450 meters behind the attacking infantry and shoot the detected sniper from a 30-mm gun. Or just kick your boots while he tries to heal the BMP ...

[ljoha_d]

For the gifted I’m Russian, and as far as Latvia is concerned, I don’t care about us as people here, so keep wildly smart thoughts to yourself. I mean the Russian technology which is very much and there is no modernization or replacement.

[Roma 1977]

Then I will reassure you: nothing new in terms of ammunition for small arms has been invented. And even more so in Ukraine.

[anjey]

Quote: Vadim237

Save only on the armored plate should there be a corresponding panel - then only the exoskeleton.

if the armor plate doesn’t penetrate, then the spine will simply cut off the kinetic energy of the shot - only the exoskeleton will save the know how ...

[Vadim237]

Not cut, just a fighter gets a shell shock.

[ronnon]

These cartridges have already been invented for half a century, why is it sensational?

[Roma 1977]

The article and discussion reminded me of a pie poem:

chinese body armor
easy to pierce with a pencil
but just need it
was not a chinese pencil

[Glory to Berkut]

Quote: Evil543

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Counterquestion. And will the BMP drive up at point blank range? Or freaking from a kilometer?

Addition to the question, where is the BMP angle of 90 in the frontal projection?

And one more question: how do they plan to squeeze back the Lugansk cartridge plant, which this cartridge has been producing for 45 years?

[san4es]

7,62x54 of SVD rail from narrow gauge

[seregatara1969]

it was necessary to take 80 rails - dragged 105

[Weyland]

Shooting was conducted from a distance of 220 m on a sheet of armored steel brand ARMSTAL 500 with a thickness of 20,5 mm. I comment as a professional in the field of such steels: ARMSTAL 500 is a Polish (noticeably worsened) clone of the Swedish HARDOX 500 (NLMK makes its clone QUARD 500 - worse than Swedish, but better than Polish). The feature is that a good armor is necessarily subject to the so-called. thermomechanical processing - it increases the bullet resistance of 20 percent. Swedes do it, but the Poles and NLMK do not. But this is not the main point: The HARDOX 500 is not designed to be bulletproof at all - it is armor for shotguns, hammer crushers, excavator buckets, etc. - it is soft against bullets (500 is Brinell hardness; HARDOX 600 should be good for bulletproof armor - although its Swedes are positioned precisely as wear-resistant steel for mining machines, etc., but do not even involve military use anywhere!)
By the way, aren't they the Polish armored personnel carriers donated by ukram, on which, after welding, the sheets burst to a length of half a meter? There was exactly ARMSTAL 500!

[Vadim237]

And what is the impact strength of this armor?

[Weyland]

20 J / cm2 at -40С (and it is not indicated, KCU or KCV). For comparison, Hardox500 has a KCV of 30 J / cm2, i.e. 1.5 times higher! But this is not the main indicator of bullet resistance - energy intensity is more important (roughly speaking, the product of ductility). More interesting is another: the manufacturer declares (http://emk24.ru/catalog/armstal_500/#product_157
7412) that holds a regular Kalash bullet 7,62 * 39 with 30 m (i.e. 7,9 g at a speed of 695 M / s) at a right angle 13-mm ARMSTAL 500 sheet. But for a bullet of 7,62 * 54 mm with the same 30 m (10 g, speed 805 m / s) the energy is 1,7 times higher, i.e. you can expect the required thickness of 22 mm - but there is no data for getting at a right angle, but at an angle of 30 degrees. it penetrates to the normal only 10 m. and 35 degrees - 8 mm. So it is necessary to try very hard to please at a right angle!

[seregatara1969]

and on the sheet they write in Russian - a mess!

[Clone]

It’s a pity, it’s a pity that the mat is forbidden and severely "stoned" ... Our, it seems, once "brothers".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, if this is not a production, then the Ukrainians managed to create a powerful cartridge ... Although, to be honest, I still do not really believe it ...

[Roma 1977]

I'm through the air from beer cans full of holes. So, if you make BMP from these cans ...

[Music]

We have already checked, according to ukrov, the core of depleted uranium. Like in the movie about 007.

[NOVERU]

and from enriched uranium?

[Vadim_2]

This fake is two years old.

[Vladimir Mamkin]

What kind of steel is this? Is it from which new tanks are brewed and that are cracking at the seams? Well then yes it will pierce at right angles only such angles do not exist for armored vehicles, I mean before, the Germans were so late in the war with this cartridge.

[tax payerschik]

30hgs. Viscous, if heat treated, gains elasticity. But, this is an old alloy.

[tax payerschik]

Welding is able to bend a thick channel with an arc. He corrected it with such a sledgehammer. Svrka, a delicate matter, as well as heat treatment. Compare art.

[Weyland]

Yes, yes, the same one, those cracked armored personnel carriers were from her! The Poles have decent steel - ARMSTAL 600 (although also markedly worsened clone of the Swedish HARDOX 600) - it holds the usual Kalash bullet 7,62 * 39 with 30 m (ie 7,9 g at a speed of 695 M / s) at right angles with sheet thickness 7 mm (55 kg / m2), and from the ARMSTAL 500 it holds the same bullet 13-mm sheet (100 kg / m2) (see / http-hsjsa-com-en-offer-Flat-products-
rolling-mill-69-steel-armor-plates-armstal-197-h
tmlprint-overload.pdf) - feel the difference! This is a commodity for the countries of Africa, and of Urkaina, essno! Tsimes is also that ARMSTAL 600 is only 1,2 times more expensive than ARMSTAL500 - and since it’s almost half the weight of the armor, with the same protective properties, armor for armored personnel carriers from ARMSTAL600 will cost 1.5 times cheaper. than from ARMSTAL500 - i.e. delivery data is a banal kidalovo and wiring of suckers on the loot!

[Alexey-74]

Spetspatron, for an assault rifle, nothing more. Such toys are full in other countries. But this is a piece of goods.

[Alex anotol]

Well now, the Outskirts of Usih will win!

[tax payerschik]

Developed. They did not hear about armor-piercing and armor-piercing incendiary.

[tax payerschik]

It is enough to make the core of the bullet from a hard alloy, such as VK6,6m, 8 and this bullet will pierce the armor of any BMP. If you don’t get stuck in a viscous armor

[tax payerschik]

It just comes out a little expensive. Tungsten, cobalt and other additives. On the other hand, I have at work for hundreds of such bullets of consumed material.

[tax payerschik]

If you look closely, then tungsten is not needed. It gives the alloy resistance to heat. Cobalt gives strength. In general, this is not an alloy. These are carbides of titanium, tungsten, cobalt and others.

[tax payerschik]

All over the world this stuff is produced in huge quantities in the form of metal-cutting plates. Everywhere except Russia. Such bullets and mineral-ceramic armor are capable of breaking.

[tax payerschik]

mineral ceramics are light, strong and hard. Its hardness is slightly inferior to diamond. But, where it’s hard, it’s fragile.

[tax payerschik]

You can dazzle your body armor. There are metal cutting plates made of wok60 cermets. And some more. Right now I forgot Soviet production. They are worthless now. Most likely they are no longer produced by great Russia. Will stop any bullet. But, only once. Further replacement.

[tax payerschik]

Why once, because it will break like glass.

[tax payerschik]

Although, if you place between the layers of Kevlar ....

[76rtbr]

. and this is not ordinary raw steel, but alloy steel
this is the argument!

[steam]

Wonderful ammo! Here are just a Russian cartridge 12h39mm from the VSSK rifle for the same 200 m breaks through a steel sheet 16 mm thick, and completely silently and without flame. And the return is incomparably less. Dare, Ukrainians!