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Helmet tests for F-35 fighters failed due to defective camera

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The most expensive armory program in the world stories faced another problem. Helmet with night vision function for pilots of F-35B aircraft turned out to be unable to display the surrounding reality in the absence of moonlight, the portal reports marinecorpstimes.com

During one of the night landings of the F-35B on the deck of the decommissioned aircraft carrier America, the night-vision camera built into the pilot's helmet was useless and the plane had to be put down almost to the touch. The problem was that on a moonless night the camera could not function properly due to the lack of lighting. Pilot Tom Fields admitted that he did not even see the signal lights. After a successful landing, he said that he would not like to experience something like that the second time.

Helmet tests for F-35 fighters failed due to defective camera

Helmet F-35 fighter pilot cost $ 400 000


According to Joe DellaVedov, a spokesperson for the F-35 program, they are already working on fixing the problem, but this may take several months. Earlier, the F-35 fighter pilots had already complained about the poor performance of the night vision camera installed in the helmet, but the developers stated that the problem was fixed with the release of the third generation of helmets. However, it turned out that the third-generation helmet camera, the cost of which is estimated at $ 400 000, is also not without significant drawbacks.

F-35B Lightning II - one of the three modifications of the newest fighter-bomber F-35, created specifically for the US Marine Corps. A key feature of the F-35B is the short take-off and vertical landing capability, which allows these planes to be used on helicopter carriers and universal landing craft equipped with a flight deck.
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 22 July 2017 16: 49
    +15
    Either tripper, then sore throat, then diarrhea, then scarlet fever. They fun the budget and make the rest of the world laugh. Although I admit that the NATO “sixes” are not so fun.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 July 2017 16: 56
      +6
      Yeah, the scope is not like ours. lol
      1. Militia
        Militia 22 July 2017 17: 05
        +7
        When the price of the invisible hat-helmet reaches milion dolar, then it will be the perfection and miracle of the human Amer’s mind.
        1. Mystery12345
          Mystery12345 22 July 2017 17: 11
          +2
          Helmet tests for F-35 fighters failed due to defective camera
          will be replaced ... but this is really the next generation. no?
        2. 210ox
          210ox 22 July 2017 17: 36
          +2
          What does the cost have to do with it? Moreover, for them it is not critical.
          Quote: Militia
          When the price of the invisible hat-helmet reaches milion dolar, then it will be the perfection and miracle of the human Amer’s mind.
        3. My doctor
          My doctor 22 July 2017 18: 51
          +1
          Cameras, helmets and other crap this is the last century a usb port in the skull, and better wi-fi receiver in the brain and there will be no problems. But even better, the pilot’s brain is implanted in a plane or at worst a neurocomputer.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 22 July 2017 17: 28
        +6
        cniza
        Yeah, the scope is not like ours.
        It’s easier for us. Report to the top. No specialists. We take narrow people. The narrow oligarchs go home. The budget didn’t get scanty. Some Russians without work were as they were. And narrow ones earned a ticket before ISIS. Then the task is to kill ordinary Russians. In general, the money cycle is in nature. Some ordinary Russians look at this cycle and fists already oh how itchy.
      3. poquello
        poquello 22 July 2017 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Yeah, the scope is not like ours. lol

        they will have to wait when our infantrymen will have similar ones
    2. 210ox
      210ox 22 July 2017 17: 34
      +4
      Well, to be honest. Our technology has enough problems
      And all this is solvable. Moreover, with their capabilities
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Either tripper, then sore throat, then diarrhea, then scarlet fever. They fun the budget and make the rest of the world laugh. Although I admit that the NATO “sixes” are not so fun.
      1. poquello
        poquello 22 July 2017 17: 52
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        And all this is solvable. Moreover, with their capabilities

        and at what level do they work with neural helmets?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 22 July 2017 20: 44
          +2
          I can say one thing. I don’t give a damn about their problems .. But ours don’t. And I am primarily concerned about the state of our avionics .. By the way, we catch up all the time ..
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: 210ox
          And all this is solvable. Moreover, with their capabilities

          and at what level do they work with neural helmets?
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 July 2017 20: 50
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            I can say one thing. I don’t give a damn about their problems .. But ours don’t. And I am primarily concerned about the state of our avionics .. By the way, we catch up all the time ..
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: 210ox
            And all this is solvable. Moreover, with their capabilities

            and at what level do they work with neural helmets?

            this is a consequence of the closed market for their own companies, many issues can be dealt with only by a certain circle of enterprises, access to other domestic enterprises is blocked by entry thresholds
            1. 210ox
              210ox 23 July 2017 11: 57
              +1
              How closed is the market? Do we have a lot of enterprises and organizations producing element base, design bureaus and everything else? Is there anything to choose from?
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: 210ox
              I can say one thing. I don’t give a damn about their problems .. But ours don’t. And I am primarily concerned about the state of our avionics .. By the way, we catch up all the time ..
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: 210ox
              And all this is solvable. Moreover, with their capabilities

              and at what level do they work with neural helmets?

              this is a consequence of the closed market for their own companies, many issues can be dealt with only by a certain circle of enterprises, access to other domestic enterprises is blocked by entry thresholds
              1. poquello
                poquello 23 July 2017 12: 33
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                How closed is the market? Do we have a lot of enterprises and organizations producing element base, design bureaus and everything else? Is there anything to choose from?

                Those enterprises need for themselves, clean because they like, start the production of elements, and then choose it? Rare enthusiasts will do this, and therefore we have to wait until the release of the element will be mastered by enterprises with already established connections.
        2. jonhr
          jonhr 22 July 2017 21: 02
          +1
          no matter how they are. the main thing is that you have everything implemented. the plane turned out and no matter how much mud was poured on it, but it will be a very dangerous opponent and there will be a lot of it
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 July 2017 21: 26
            0
            Quote: jonhr
            no matter how they are. the main thing is that you have everything implemented. the plane turned out and no matter how much mud was poured on it, but it will be a very dangerous opponent and there will be a lot of it

            What plane are you talking about? Waste is poured on f35 well and rightly, the T-50 is catching up, it is superior to f22, but not so much as to have a decisive advantage, f22 also has no decisive advantage over the dryers, accordingly stamping the T-50 and then still spend decently money on maintenance as the United States is not an end in itself IMHO.
            1. jonhr
              jonhr 22 July 2017 21: 52
              +4
              Well, naturally, the F-22 is still classified, and an analyst like you who is familiar with the US state secret, respectively, is the judge.
              f-22 surpasses drying both in radar and in armament, stealth and thrust-weight ratio. f-22 which is superior to f-35 so it is in terms of thrust-weight ratio and stealth. in other respects, the f-35 even surpasses the f-22 so far.
              and I wonder what is the t-50 superior to the raptor? maybe stealth or is the weapon ready there, or maybe the radar is ready? paper requirements and real performance are two different things
              1. poquello
                poquello 22 July 2017 22: 47
                0
                Quote: jonhr
                f-22 is superior to drying both in radar and in armament,

                very interesting in the background
                Quote: jonhr
                f-22 is still classified, and such an analyst as you who are familiar with the US state secret, respectively, and judge.


                Quote: jonhr
                Is the weapon ready there, or maybe the radar is ready?

                some years how
                1. jonhr
                  jonhr 22 July 2017 22: 56
                  +1
                  yeah it is. and the trains are the most trainable and travel exclusively by radar ignoring the way
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 22 July 2017 22: 58
                    0
                    Quote: jonhr
                    yeah it is. and the trains are the most trainable and travel exclusively by radar ignoring the way

                    let Siemens deal with trains, they get paid for it
                    1. jonhr
                      jonhr 22 July 2017 23: 01
                      +1
                      agrees trains siemens doing better
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 22 July 2017 23: 03
                        0
                        Quote: jonhr
                        agrees trains siemens doing better

                        Naturally, and not only trains, therefore they successfully compete in the Russian market
            2. mvg
              mvg 22 July 2017 23: 52
              +4
              Also interesting is at least one parameter in which the T-50 is superior to the Fy-22. Well, there are weapons, engines, avionics, radar, maybe we have better than mat.rasov, after 20 years? Plus debugging. The plane is still on paper, not a single serial in the troops.
              .
              1. poquello
                poquello 23 July 2017 00: 05
                +1
                Quote: mvg
                Also interesting is at least one parameter in which the T-50 surpasses the Fy-22

                Duc even two - climb and maneuverability, but given that
                f-22 is still classified

                -the question is rhetorical, because what if secret f22 has a better secret, and our paper gopher does not have the right to set records, as long as they harness it about missiles and radars, etc. we will see, time will tell
  2. Tusv
    Tusv 22 July 2017 16: 50
    +1
    They just showed a new camera, which we have already demonstrated (visibility awesome), so all the helmets became worthless. Saw weights, Shura, they are golden
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 22 July 2017 18: 48
      +4
      The Germans for this money 2 make such products:

      1. Beby
        Beby 22 July 2017 21: 36
        +2
        Well, you also compared: household appliances (even on wheels) and aerospace - they have very different requirements for reliability and resistance to "special factors".

        Here's an example:
        What will happen if the visualization system crashes a little and takes 3 seconds to reboot?
        And what will happen to the airplane if this helmet (visualization system) also "crashes" for 3 seconds?

        Yes, the helmet is damn expensive, but if you consider how much effort it took to develop it (as well as support + modernization) and the salary of these developers, then everything falls into place. Of course, you still need to add greed to the top. managers, but still, the initial question is the price of developing such a complex product. Interested in: DO-254 to help.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 23 July 2017 02: 33
          +2
          I do not think that the full cycle of car production is cheaper than the production of this "telly". Agree that in production. luxury cars one thousand subcontractors. What is there, from the processor to the robotic gearbox. Automation in bulk. And this helmet - well, the production of televisions or displays. No more.
          You can understand when the cost of ATGM is equal to the cost of a budget car, which is accordingly much cheaper than units. BTT. But the cost of this telly helmet raises questions. That BMW is projecting instrument readings onto the windshield - why not make it onto the glass of the helmet. Or see how much information is on your phone, right down to the Internet.
          In my opinion. This is a new product for them - that's "chopping monopoly cabbage." hi
          1. Beby
            Beby 23 July 2017 17: 21
            +2
            You constantly cite the example of a household (car, cell phone), with ATGM it was already better ... but still not good enough for the aerospace. I believe that you simply do not start from those pivot points in assessing the price; I will try to help resolve this deplorable misunderstanding of the subject matter.

            Regarding the price of the production itself, here is a small example of the price difference between two functionally very close 65 nm chips (5VFX130):
            XC5VFX130T-1FFG1738C - $ 4000 (domestic, works from 0 to 85C),
            XC5VFX130T-1FFG1738I - $ 5500 (industrial, works from -40 to 100С),
            XQR5VFX130-1CN1752B - $ 65200 (military, works from -55 to 125C and withstands 1 mega rad).
            XC5VFX130T are practically not produced (mainly on order), as they were developed more than 10 years ago ... But the XQR5VFX130 is still used in modern and promising developments, because this company has nothing better - no! So it may turn out that on the F-35 they are worth a pack. By the way, to study the behavior of microcircuits under conditions of cosmic radiation, several XQR5VFX130 as part of a special test bench were delivered to space (on the ISS), and were tested there for more than a year (or maybe they are still tested overboard the ISS).
            But this is only an empty (!) Programmable chip - for it you still need to design the firmware (for ease of understanding, you can consider it a program). Naturally, both design tools and specialists must be certified to carry out such work - and this is VERY big money. And then you need to test it in high-altitude laboratories - there is more solar radiation there, and this is also VERY expensive pleasure. Nobody will spend them on any cars (and especially cell phones).

            The basics of microelectronics problems for space can be found here:
            https://habrahabr.ru/post/156049/

            I am almost sure that the price of a helmet also includes the price of developing (maintaining and improving) software that implements visualization. And this software should work on something else - and without a helmet, neither this software nor what it is running on is needed. So, with a high degree of probability, it can be argued that the price of all this is also included in the price of the helmet.

            And yet, yes, I agree: this helmet is “a new product for them,” so its price includes the price of experimentation and finding the best solution.

            Do not get me wrong: I’m not defending their pricing, but simply trying to convey its essence - not everything is measured there by the greed of the final link of production, as we do. There, "greed" is spread out over hundreds of stages of the product life cycle and, accordingly, is covered by certification procedures for each stage.
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 22 July 2017 16: 50
    +4
    I read somewhere that the cost of this helmet is $ 1000. But the pentagon would not be a pentagon. The output is 400.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 July 2017 17: 01
      +5
      Have you seen Jumble about a watch?
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 22 July 2017 18: 08
        +3
        sabakina hi
        Have you seen Jumble about a watch?
        Yes. feel
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 July 2017 18: 15
          +6
          Sergey, feel Actually, I'm talking about other watches ... feel
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 22 July 2017 18: 25
            +2
            Vyacheslav there about the clock, which is not there. In terms of planets! Jumble laughing
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 22 July 2017 19: 43
              +5
              Sergey, you can just Glory. The main thing in the morning is not to forget what to wear!
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 22 July 2017 19: 45
                +2
                Slavik. Well so not morning !!! "Short day." At the end of the work week.
              2. Do not care
                Do not care 23 July 2017 06: 58
                +1
                Sobakina, this is a clip from the movie "How to Become a Star"
                I dubbed Anka Orlova in this film (She is in a yellow suit). Then he served in a sports platoon in the Kryukov barracks, which is on the square of Labor in St. Petersburg. July 86th .... Already pronostalgia.
    2. Do not care
      Do not care 23 July 2017 06: 07
      0
      In this TV set, the costs of developing software are tens of millions of dollars.
      Divide by the volume of production over the next 5 years (ROI) and get the main component of the cost of the helmet.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 July 2017 16: 51
    +2
    Now will require another 100500 yards of greenery to upgrade cameras?
    Or just replace Chinese components with Korean?
  5. Altona
    Altona 22 July 2017 16: 52
    +4
    You lie fso! belay
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 22 July 2017 17: 27
      +12
      But what about! The world gendarme cannot be mistaken, above the USA only stars, cooler - only mountains! yes
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 22 July 2017 17: 44
        +3
        wink
        Quote: Jedi
        only stars above the USA, steeper - only mountains!

        There is nothing cooler than a boiled egg in a steep .... wink wink
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 22 July 2017 17: 48
          +10
          I appreciate the humor in people! good I just quoted the words of one joke. But the United States does not like and do not know how to admit its mistakes, this story with the F-35 is unlikely to be an exception.
  6. mitrich
    mitrich 22 July 2017 16: 54
    +5
    Do we have something similar, even with three defects? Or as with an UAV, there is not even a prototype at the output? recourse
    You can laugh, if you have your own working device.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 July 2017 17: 00
      +8
      But what, talking cat on the pilot’s shoulder doesn’t suit you anymore?
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 22 July 2017 17: 07
        +6
        But what, talking cat on the pilot’s shoulder doesn’t suit you anymore?




        laughing Train in full. And at night, by the way, they see perfectly even with the Moon, even without it.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 July 2017 17: 39
          +6
          Nikolay, thanks for the video! good This cat must be immediately given twice Hero! The first, for not falling, the second, for sending them with their help!
          And at night, by the way, they see perfectly even with the Moon, even without it.
          not without reason cats in ancient Egypt were sacred animals ...
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 22 July 2017 17: 06
      +4
      Quote: mitrich
      Do we have something similar, even with three defects? Or as with an UAV, there is not even a prototype at the output?

      We have a prototype. They wrote about this 2 weeks ago here. Monochrome, but clear image, like in the afternoon. But this is not enough for the Americans. need to colorize
    3. Stabilization
      Stabilization 22 July 2017 17: 14
      +3
      https://topwar.ru/82171-zamestitel-gendirektora-k
      ret-rasskazal-o-vozmozhnostyah-shlema-pilota-pak-
      fa.html
      Igor Nasenkov, Deputy General Director of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET), shared the details of the new helmet for pilots of the PAK FA, noting that before his possibilities could only be seen in science fiction films.
      1. mvg
        mvg 22 July 2017 23: 59
        +3
        Did he watch a lot of films? Maybe he prefers only Soviet cinema?
  7. sabakina
    sabakina 22 July 2017 16: 57
    +7
    A helmet with night vision function for F-35B pilots was unable to display the surrounding reality in the absence of moonlight,

    They wanted to surpass cat's vision? belay Damn it! Cats stood, stand and will stand guard over our sky!
  8. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 July 2017 17: 25
    +2
    We read the source:

    It’s why we’ve been trying to find out how to do it.

    Right. That is what it is for.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 July 2017 17: 42
      +3
      Mr. A. Privalov, it is customary for cultural people to translate what they are talking about.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 22 July 2017 18: 16
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        Mr. A. Privalov, it is customary for cultural people to translate what they are talking about.

        Here without google translator FSO understandable. We need to develop fire control systems, the rears Russian pilots didn’t kick us, as it was in Korea and did not shoot down air defense missiles in batches, as in Vietnam. The rest is extra words hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 July 2017 19: 50
          +3
          Vladimir, as far as I understand you, he wanted to write "to us manda manda?"
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 22 July 2017 23: 37
        +1
        Humbly sorry we ask! hi
        The meaning of the phrase is that for this purpose there is a flight test program to identify and eliminate flaws.

        Vyacheslav, on Shagovo desantura still worth?
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 23 July 2017 00: 01
          +3
          Worth it. Where does she go? wink
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 23 July 2017 00: 19
            0
            Well and good. Matter of the past. 1972-1974 wassat good drinks
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  10. anjey
    anjey 22 July 2017 17: 43
    0
    Quote: Tusv
    They just showed a new camera, which we have already demonstrated (visibility awesome), so all the helmets became worthless. Saw weights, Shura, they are golden
    didn't want plagiarism, so sorry ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 22 July 2017 18: 52
      0
      Quote: anje
      didn't want plagiarism, so sorry ...

      "How to understand you if you do not say anything"
      1. anjey
        anjey 22 July 2017 19: 10
        0
        I'm talking about Shura, well, yes it’s Ilf and Petrov .....
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 22 July 2017 19: 14
          0
          Quote: anjey
          I'm talking about Shura, well, yes it’s Ilf and Petrov

          The golden calf is a treasure trove of wisdom. Desk book
  11. Приговор
    Приговор 22 July 2017 17: 57
    +1
    SchA Israeli Jews will have an attack. Do not write badly about the F-35 ... laughing
    1. anjey
      anjey 22 July 2017 18: 49
      0
      their colors ran out - they were tired of painting and bleaching it ....
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  12. faterdom
    faterdom 22 July 2017 18: 02
    +1
    Pilot Tom Fields admitted that he did not even see the signal lights. After a successful landing, he said that the second time he would not want to experience something like that.

    Here are the pilots of the Americans traditionally super-duper. That is yes. And they could buy a helmet on the "alibaba" 10 times cheaper. Already received.
  13. Sedoy
    Sedoy 22 July 2017 18: 12
    +2
    * During one of the nightly landings of the F-35B on the deck of the decommissioned aircraft carrier America
    -------------
    the author breshet like a prank dog ...

    USS America (CV-66)
    Status: Flooded
    “On April 19, 2005, several charges of simulating the impact of torpedoes and cruise missiles were blown up on an aircraft carrier. On May 14, at about 11-30 the aircraft carrier was flooded.”
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 July 2017 19: 56
      +3
      Yeah, I was also born around October 8th ....
    2. jonhr
      jonhr 22 July 2017 21: 10
      +2
      Well, a decommissioned aircraft carrier is probably the latest America class helicopter carrier. this already speaks of the competence of the author. although what am I surprised at? here and sometimes you don’t read it
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 July 2017 18: 21
    0
    Oops! and millet to check on the ground under different light conditions is not fate? Seen with the heads something is not right ... laughing tongue wassat
    1. jonhr
      jonhr 22 July 2017 21: 12
      0
      still planted at night and there were no problems. and here frustrated testing directly. it is possible that the news is sucked out of your finger or a single failure on one helmet. but inflated to the size that u was gone for the Americans
  15. Govorun
    Govorun 22 July 2017 19: 17
    0
    Helmet tests for F-35 fighters failed due to defective camera
    The Ukrainians have an advanced camera .... from the intercom.
  16. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 22 July 2017 19: 52
    0
    Finish it and it will work. Just think - the camera.
  17. Kiril
    Kiril 22 July 2017 19: 53
    +1
    Helmet tests failed due to defective pilots.
  18. Just me
    Just me 22 July 2017 20: 17
    0
    This is ... Sorry ... In Ukraine, the super-BMPT was made "Azov", and everything would be fine, but here, the camera turned out to be from the Chinese intercom
  19. Winnie the Pooh
    Winnie the Pooh 22 July 2017 20: 21
    0
    The most expensive weapons program in world history


    The usual lie, there are planes and more expensive. And the "weapons" programs and even more so a lot more expensive.

    There are civilian objects more expensive, the same stadium zenith arena is the most expensive on the planet, but not suitable for destination. It has no analogues in the world.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 July 2017 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: vinipuh
      the same stadium zenith arena is the most expensive on the planet, but not suitable for the destination.

      Rabinovich Vinnipukhov, here I am not a fan of Zenit, but I’ll tell you a secret that Zenit is playing football on it now, and not so long ago the Confederations Cup matches were held on it. feel
      Quote: vinipuh
      the same stadium zenith arena the most expensive on the planet

      And here I lied
      The most expensive football stadium on the planet continues to be the London Wembley, which opened after a long reconstruction in 2007. This giant holds 90 spectators. It is here that the England national football team holds its home matches. In 000, London Tottenham will play here, while the arena of this team is closed for reconstruction. The cost of the reconstruction of Wembley, which in essence was the construction of a new stadium in an old place with the preservation of one historical wall, cost the British budget 2017 million pounds. At the rate for that year, it was about $ 798 billion. However, this amount also included the reconstruction of several neighborhoods adjacent to the stadium - a condition of the city. So the real cost of building a stadium as a separate building is unlikely to ever be known to us.

      www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/956739
      Ai I ay, not good.
      1. Winnie the Pooh
        Winnie the Pooh 22 July 2017 20: 46
        +1
        So when it was built ...
        It's not about the price, but what part went to the construction ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 22 July 2017 20: 55
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        Ai I ay, not good.

        bored without skulls, no self-regulation
      3. mvg
        mvg 23 July 2017 00: 08
        +2
        There, the stadium was also built 5000 "ravshans"? Which, excuse me, pissed, right around the "corner"? Or is it one of the most expensive cities in the world? And the value of the land. "St. Petersburg", with a leaking roof and a roll-out field (herenovy), and 40 thousand, as it is today - this is nonsense!
        PS: And the fact that Krestovsky was the most beautiful place in the city?
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 July 2017 08: 24
      0
      Zenit Stadium is another song (starting from choosing a place for construction to methods). What can you do when it is built by an almost state-owned office with a monopoly on the sale and transportation of gas? For all this time, we began and finished the stadium "Krasnodar" for example, for about 300 million
      1. mvg
        mvg 23 July 2017 09: 37
        +2
        Because the Spartak Arena and the Krasnodar were built with their own money, but here they are “draws”, it’s easier to steal. And Wembley is probably the most famous stadium in the world. And in the most expensive city.
  20. anjey
    anjey 22 July 2017 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: anje
    didn't want plagiarism, so sorry ...

    "How to understand you if you do not say anything"
    Moder stupidly deleted my koment- "the helmet was developed by the guys from Israel, so they saw Shura weights they are gold !!!! and yours later saw about Shura ...
    1. anjey
      anjey 22 July 2017 20: 47
      0
      plain words - and the reaction is inadequate ...
    2. poquello
      poquello 22 July 2017 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      Moder stupidly deleted my koment- "the helmet was developed by the guys from Israel, so they saw Shura weights they are gold !!!! and yours later saw about Shura ...

      Did the guys with the gear drip offended paper again?
  21. DM51
    DM51 22 July 2017 20: 50
    +1
    By the way, the Jews make a helmet, Israel generally makes good money on the F-35 - this is their product like a chicken that lays them golden eggs
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 July 2017 08: 20
      0
      Like the British ...
  22. anjey
    anjey 22 July 2017 21: 01
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    Quote: DM51
    By the way, the Jews make a helmet, Israel generally makes good money on the F-35 - this is their product like a chicken that lays them golden eggs

    shh, don’t shout so loudly, the whole world hears you, I just deleted a comment about it, apparently there is salt in it .... shh!
  23. Laughtermaster
    Laughtermaster 22 July 2017 22: 02
    +1
    I remembered the film "Nameless Star": - Why is it so dark on your street? -And just today the moon does not shine. ")
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 22 July 2017 22: 41
      +4
      Andrew, for God's sake, just not that ...
      1. Laughtermaster
        Laughtermaster 23 July 2017 02: 33
        0
        Well, I wanted to reconsider.
  24. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 22 July 2017 22: 25
    +1
    Build another moon !!!
  25. Disorder
    Disorder 22 July 2017 22: 39
    0
    No, well, it’s clear - the backlightless monitoring devices do not work in complete darkness, but should the landing strip be lit, or is there no electricity?
  26. jonhr
    jonhr 22 July 2017 23: 49
    0
    poquello,
    in fact, they are out of competition
  27. spech
    spech 23 July 2017 08: 14
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    Quote: Militia
    When the price of the invisible hat-helmet reaches milion dolar, then it will be the perfection and miracle of the human Amer’s mind.

    There is no limit to perfection ©
  28. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 July 2017 08: 20
    0
    A helmet is included in the price of F-35 - $ 85000000 or is it an additional option?
    1. Laughtermaster
      Laughtermaster 23 July 2017 09: 01
      0
      Of course not. They say there is a turbofan engine as an additional option.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 July 2017 09: 06
        0
        Moreover, they say that F-35 is already cheaper than Grippen (new), Raphael, F-16 block 70 and F-15 silent needles ... Just a sample of reducing s / b and the organization of production.
  29. Mexovoy
    Mexovoy 23 July 2017 21: 57
    +1
    When for a long time they try to convince that a potential adversary has a ram, it somehow begins to seem that it is not ram.
  30. shans2
    shans2 23 July 2017 22: 33
    0
    We need more of these aircraft - ruin guaranteed). and functionally worse than 4 generations)
  31. anjey
    anjey 24 July 2017 06: 59
    0
    Quote: Mexovoy
    When for a long time they try to convince that a potential adversary has a ram, it somehow begins to seem that it is not ram.

    it would not be a ram, a long time ago they would have been parading over Syria ....
  32. anjey
    anjey 24 July 2017 07: 09
    0
    Quote: Mexovoy
    When for a long time they try to convince that a potential adversary has a ram, it somehow begins to seem that it is not ram.

    it wouldn’t be a ram, long ago they would have fenced over Syria, bypassing our air defense too, and couldn’t come up with the best advertising, but ....
  33. pavelty
    pavelty 24 July 2017 11: 12
    0
    "had to plant"?) a strange phrase ...
  34. vvp2412
    vvp2412 27 July 2017 16: 22
    +1
    10 helmets = 1 T90 tank .... Normally sawed