The French army began the process of replacing FAMAS assault rifles with HK416F assault rifles.

The French army began the process of replacing small weapons... The German company Heckler & Koch has handed over the first batch of HK416F assault rifles to the French Ministry of Defense, which will replace the FAMAS assault rifles in service with the French army. "Warspot" with reference to the portal armyrecognition.com.

Heckler & Koch won a tender for the supply of new assault rifles last September. The HK416F's competitors were machines from Beretta, Sig Sauer, HS Produkt and FN Herstal. The first batch of 400 HK416F units and sets of accessories was transferred to the French Armed Forces. In total, during 2017, Heckler & Koch will transfer 5340 machines to the French Ministry of Defense. If the tests of the new weapon are successful, the military department will decide to sign the main contract for the purchase of more than 100 HK000F units, as well as accessories for them (HK416F grenade launchers, optical sights, and others).

The need to replace the FAMAS submachine guns of the French Ministry of Defense was officially announced in 2012, and two years later a tender was announced for the supply of new weapons. The HK 416 submachine gun is already in service in many countries of the world, while for some armies its modifications have been developed (for example, the HK416N for the Armed Forces of Norway).

HK416 assault rifle

The HK416 is an automatic rifle created by Heckler & Koch based on the M4 carbine (in service with the American army). The key difference between the German assault rifle and the American prototype is the gas outlet system: the HK416 uses a short-stroke gas piston scheme, "borrowed" from the HK G36. The HK416 has been produced since 2004 and has several modifications with various barrel lengths, and is also produced in a semi-automatic version for the civilian market.

Automatic machine FAMAS

The French army proposed HK416F caliber 5,56 mm in two versions (with long and short barrel), which will replace the automatic FAMAS, adopted in the 1979 year. Today, the French army is about 400 000 FAMAS machines, produced by the Manufacture d'armes de Saint-Etienne. In 2001, this weapon manufacturer announced its closure due to the lack of orders.

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[210ox]

Globalizers .. These are their mother ... Well, the French armory has covered itself ... Although maybe they will find another niche, although it is unlikely.

[cost]

HK416 assault rifle

[210ox]

Yes, it’s understandable that a German assault rifle is better. But what kind of lyad did the French chew snot for thirty years and did not create SOMETHING of their own?

Quote: Rich

HK416 assault rifle

[Walanin]

Quote: 210ox

Well, the French armory was covered ...

French armory is one of the world leaders in export.

[210ox]

I mean a small automatic weapon.

Quote: Walanin

Quote: 210ox

Well, the French armory was covered ...

French armory is one of the world leaders in export.

[Walanin]

Shooting in the total volume of their weapons is invisible.

[pjastolov]

Yes, and it was exported maybe to China?

[Iskander Sh]

Quote: 210ox

Well, that’s the French armory.

I would be happy if one of the important NATO countries would have collapsed the military-industrial complex. But unfortunately this is just a lost tender. Today they lost, tomorrow they will win.

[Topotun]

Yeah, like the French had their own rifle production ....

[Smoked]

It was, but NK is more convenient. The usual stylish appearance of the arch, and inside the gas piston.

[Orionvit]

The French had their own production, that's just a FAMAS machine, frankly a rare freak. In my deep conviction, weapons like planes, beautiful ones fly well, and beautiful weapons shoot well. Suffice it to recall the French Shosha CSRG M1915Like the French with the rifle, it went wrong right away.

[Monarchist]

Orinvit, you are in vain so disdainful of the Shosh machine gun: it was designed for the simplified production of automatic weapons.
Remember the fall of 1941: Stalin was distributed piece by piece machine guns and PTRD. Then the craftsmen redid the “Sveta” (byak is still the same) to conduct automatic fire, and the SVT of the “light” is even inferior to Shosh.

[Orionvit]

How can frontline fighters explain that

Shosh was designed for the simplified production of automatic weapons.

it’s not easier for them. About SVT, I do not agree with you. The design may not be the most successful, but you generally described it as a complete g .. In the hands of a competent fighter, showed excellent results. And if a soldier has his hands from one place, and instead of his head, well ... well, then do not blame me. Over at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even the Kalashnikovs manage to ruin, due to a lack of proper weapons care.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Orionvit

About SVT, I do not agree with you. The design may not be the most successful, but you generally described it as a complete g .. In the hands of a competent fighter, showed excellent results. And if a soldier has his hands from one place, and instead of his head, well ... well, then do not blame me.

How easily we condemn our ancestors.
The problem with CBT was that handling it required knowledge. Either general education, or those that drive into the head in the army. That is, the fighter either had at the time of the call to have basic knowledge at least of the high school level (metals rust, the gas regulator must be set correctly, and generally it would be nice to read учебник NSD - enough knowledge to understand it ), or in the army there should have been those who are ready to transfer knowledge to an illiterate fighter, and transfer it correctly and make sure that knowledge is either acquired or memorized without understanding, but before automatism.
The first item was bad even in the elite - BTV, where the most competent recruits remaining after the fleet and the Air Force were selected (and artillery claimed the same contingent along with the BTV). The selection result is 2/3 with education from 3 to 7 classes, 10-15% - less than 3. Now imagine what recruiting force remained after this selection for the infantry.
The second paragraph was even worse. There was no one to teach the rank and file - the shortage of junior command personnel in the infantry was 50-70%. Moreover, the best personnel were transferred to aviation and BTV in 1939-1940.
The level of training of the remaining "teachers" left much to be desired:

The knowledge of the junior commanding staff is weak, but nevertheless, the weapons in the unit know better than the commanding staff.
The knowledge of ordinary cadets is low.
They do not know automatic weapons at all and are only able to carry rifles and pull the trigger. Extremely poor knowledge of the materiel of small arms and besides the gunners do not know the names of the parts of the machine gun "DP" and the revolver. The machine gunners do not know the name of the parts and rules for disassembling the rifle. To great shame, and chagrin, cadet regiment schools have lesser knowledge of small arms than the knowledge of the Red Army, and yet despite this they are issued by junior commanders.
There is no need to talk about the rules, cleaning weapons, and their inspection by younger commanders.
This situation should be, since the commander, having no knowledge of small arms, cannot transfer them to his subordinates and demand knowledge from them when he himself does not know him.

Red Army arr. 1940 - this was not the 80s CA, when for the most part recruits were literate as well, but the illiterate had someone to teach, driving into their heads and bringing to automaticity the rules for handling weapons. Red Army arr. 1940 in terms of infantry - this is an illiterate draft contingent, exacerbated by a few and also not very literate junior commanders. The result is obvious:

In parts of 97 SD rifles manufactured in 1940. , which were on hand for no more than 4 months, up to 29% are reduced to a state of rust in the barrel, machine guns "DP" manufactured in 1939 to 14% also have a deterioration of the barrel channels.

[yehat]

416 is almost three times inferior to Kalash (with a normal barrel and from a normal factory) in thermal endurance when firing, although to be honest, I do not understand WHEN it will take 5-500 shots to be tipped in 1000 minutes for this to affect. But in unpretentiousness Kalash may even give way. Although I saw only the video, in reality I will not say.
ps I myself am a fan of SG 552 and similar.

[figwam]

Looks like bullpup goes down in history !? And it was believed that they created the optimal weapon scheme.

[yehat]

yes bullpup doesn’t go anywhere, more perfect models and new solutions just appear.
Shteyr for example is very popular, the brand is now spreading around the world. The Chinese created their bullpup, but not very successfully, but it could work out.

[marshes]

Quote: figvam

Looks like bullpup goes down in history !? And it was believed that they created the optimal weapon scheme.

Bul dad is convenient for assault groups in urban areas.
Full-fledged assault rifle in compact design.

[Niccola Mack]

Looks like bullpup goes down in history!

In fact, a semi-free shutter goes down in history - the French have already played enough with an "advanced model."
G3 failed to repeat the success !!!

[Helicopter122]

You claim that AK is inferior in reliability? Excuse me, but on what sacred knowledge is such a statement based?

[yehat]

creating 416, the Germans put the reliability of Kalash as the basis of the requirements.
There is a series of tests where they show that 416 also survives in a number of high-profile AK properties
it is logical to assume that they could have surpassed somewhere.
“affirm” - no, rather doubts arose against the background of deathly silence and failures by the Kalashnikov concern.
For example, 416 has a more efficient barrel radiator, it is easier to engage in active combat with bare hands

[Sergey-8848]

A "pipe" is a "pipe". Nothing but the nickname "cleon" FAMAS did not differ. The desire to have one is commendable, but it was necessary to complete and bring it to mind. The result is quite predictable.

[voyaka uh]

They did it right. And the Americans need to buy HK416.
The Germans removed the jambs of the M4, leaving the good: balancing, accuracy.

[yehat]

so buy already. the Marine Corps and the seals were already leaving the party.
What about your Galil, Tavor, etc.? What are the prospects for these trunks?

[voyaka uh]

Galil - for sale only. Uzi - gone. M4 has remained (airborne brigade
stubbornly refuses to part with her). Tavor, it seems, are satisfied.
The soldiers got used to the hands "the other way around." And to the built-in collimator.
Tavor's accuracy is excellent. But it is difficult to manufacture and requires
the presence of good gunsmiths in the army.
No weapon changes are foreseen.

[marshes]

Quote: voyaka uh

Tavor's accuracy is excellent. But it is difficult to manufacture and requires
the presence of good gunsmiths in the army.
No weapon changes are foreseen.

Yes, it’s not bad, the gas engine is almost like that of Kalashnikov, you wouldn’t be bad to do it under 7,62x39 and 9x39. Not large batches could be purchased.

[voyaka uh]

There is a "parabellum" under 9 mm, there is a "Russian" under 5.45,
under 7.62 - they were also going to do sales.

[marshes]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is a 9 mm "parabellum",

We have an Austrian special unit.

Quote: voyaka uh

there is under 5.45 "Russian"

In addition to Ukrainians, it is unlikely that anyone will buy it; in the field, he, bull dad, is not convenient.

Quote: voyaka uh

under 7.62 - they were also going to do sales.

And this is of interest, but the parties will obviously be small.

[voyaka uh]

It seems like a little weapon like a submachine gun
but the barrel length, even for this shortened version, is 33 cm.
(For AK-74 - 41.5 cm).

[marshes]

Quote: voyaka uh

It seems like a little weapon like a submachine gun
but the barrel length, even for this shortened version, is 33 cm.
(For AK-74 - 41.5 cm).

AKS-74U, a good thing at medium distances from 20-50 m, but from the first shot it doesn’t “knock” the attacker, because the barrel is short, the bullet is ugly. If you look at metal at such distances and at an angle, then there are obvious elongated triangles. the same can be said about 5,56.
AKMS thing is more respectable, even armor plates over 2 classes break even with additional plates.
Grade 2 is not a problem to buy, I have a couple at home.
So you need to be on a tumble.
By the way, our doctor circumcised you for panting.

[WUA 518]

Quote: voyaka uh

It seems shorty weapon

By the way, the Israeli company Fab Defense has developed a handle for the PM with a store eject button.

[Okolotochny]

By the way, a good kit. And quite functional. In an emergency, seconds will be saved.

[Monarchist]

The question is, instead of PM, they put Yarygin in service, what do you think about him?

[Okolotochny]

You know how to ..... arrange. Girl simpota nafig posted?

[marshes]

Quote: Okolotochny

You know how to ..... arrange. Girl simpota nafig posted?

The last peep can be said. PM in a walnut box, as it was said here, under 9x17 Browning is short. Models are blued and nickel-plated, from the category of Walterere PPK, the price is 700 Baku. There are buyers if you take into account now in Russia it is under 9tyr rubles, I assume early in district 5 was.

[Okolotochny]

Thank you for the description of the body kit trunk. I meant "a little different" - Voyaka posted a picture of a "soldier" with Tavor. I spoke about ... the external data of the military man.

[Okolotochny]

9 thousand rubles PM in Russia? Injury costs more.

[marshes]

Quote: Okolotochny

9 thousand rubles PM in Russia? Injury costs more.

I heard this info, this is the price of production.
In 2008, he was in the United States, family affairs - a wedding. In-law brother-in-law is a former KMP and Kop from Brooklyn.
They talked like that, broken English, plus his wife’s sister, what and how. Of course he was dragging himself from Walter, I supposedly used a copy of him earlier. I’ve been enthusiastic about it on the next trip, I’ll buy him. But fate decided, in July they they’ll come for a visit for two weeks without a visa. And I sent him a whole 2000 pieces a long time ago, 50 days. Let them know that they don’t give gifts worth more than 100 bucks.

[WUA 518]

Quote: marshes

The last squeak can be said.

You can’t buy a real PM deactivate for less than 16 thousand now. Particularly appreciated by collectors of PMs are the so-called Stalin years from Hammer Armz, the price tag is from 45 thousand and how much the wallet will last. Well and then go preferences beard, Walther’s frame, red zip, etc.

[Okolotochny]

Off topic - Deactivate, what kind of animal and what does it eat?

[marshes]

Quote: WUA 518

You can’t buy a real PM deactivate for less than 16 thousand now. Particularly appreciated by collectors of PMs are the so-called Stalin years from Hammer Armz, the price tag is from 45 thousand and how much the wallet will last. Well and then go preferences beard, Walther’s frame, red zip, etc.

He asked that the KGB handle be his quirks. He is currently in Texas under contract.
Coolies are expensive at home, they want to buy in the midwest. Help.

[Maz]

Quote: voyaka uh

It seems like a little weapon like a submachine gun
but the barrel length, even for this shortened version, is 33 cm.
(For AK-74 - 41.5 cm).

And the center of mass is such that the trunk falls and the arrow tires

[Monarchist]

It is strange that the ultrasound is gone, the machine is a class. We talked with a fellow countryman, a small arms instructor at VoViks, he regretted that we had no Uzi

[Pimply]

The original Uzi is wildly heavy and not very reliable. Continue to actively produce minicars are different, but the original truncated

[Okolotochny]

Alexey, right is right. But then what kind of shout (Presidential candidates) to support French production, about jobs. You won’t limit yourself to M16-M4? They started to release their own. And this God himself ordered with the history of the French gunsmiths.

[yehat]

the French have a lot to do with politics. With such as Macron, they will soon import croissants from China.

[marshes]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the Americans need to buy HK416.

Recently you have been replaced. In the USA, cats have ILCs and also in the police in some states, though collected in the USA.

[voyaka uh]

I defended my favorite "broom" M-16 from unreasonable attacks of the forum
(so many years sleeping with her in a sleeping bag, just like with his wife )
but never denied her flaws . Therefore made me happy
German development.

[marshes]

Quote: voyaka uh

I defended my favorite "broom" M-16 from unreasonable attacks of the forum

The professor’s broom or oar is now in the weapons room, so the photo shone brightly.
And the German, the brother-in-law praises, before that yuzal 4, now "there" the very thing. The sheriff’s service.

[Okolotochny]

So no one has attacked yet?

[Maz]

Yes, German development has confirmed the failure of the American. Warrior, So you can’t fire bursts from the steep m-16 in the IDF in the army? Not even that - it’s forbidden ... Probably you’re either saving ammo or a rifle, not otherwise

[masiya]

For a long time the French hand gun kept on, but as a result it died ... What do you mean there are no orders ... these are excuses, export had to be established and trade around the world ... the toy was not bad if it had been used by the French Armed Forces for so many years. Our Kalashnikov has been modernizing since 1947 and is not going to die, neither the factory nor the machine ...

[Holoy]

Great choice of the French ...

[k_ply]

Quote: yehat

yes bullpup doesn’t go anywhere, more perfect models and new solutions just appear.
Shteyr for example is very popular, the brand is now spreading around the world.

In the 80-90s, perhaps, only all of their parts of the ST, i.e. British, French, Israeli (including the 35th BDR), Australian, New Zealand, etc., preferred weapons with a classic design, preferred M4 / M16A2, or C7 / C8 of the Canadian production (M4A1 / M16A3), or HK416. Even in Singapore, having its own bullpup, SAR-21 preferred the M4 and HK416. What militarily developed states bought Tavor, except as an addition to the special forces arsenal and for the police? Yes, about the same countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America that Galil bought at the time.

Quote: marshes

Bul dad is convenient for assault groups in urban areas.

Yeah! I can’t even imagine how, in the case of enemy fire reaction, from a bullpup, aiming from the left shoulder, shoot from the appropriate shelter (corner of the building), especially in urban areas? Take to the right shoulder, bend over and show the head, torso, leg from behind the shelter? With the "classics" there are no such troubles, just intercepted without any replacement of the shutter (AUG / Tabor), or reinstalling the extractor (FAMAS).

Quote: marshes

AKS-74U, a good thing at medium distances from 20-50 m ...

What is this for average distances of 20-50 m?

[marshes]

Quote: k_ply

Yeah! I can’t even imagine how, in the case of enemy fire reaction, from a bullpup, aiming from the left shoulder, shoot from the appropriate shelter (corner of the building), especially in urban areas? Take to the right shoulder, bend over and show the head, torso, leg from behind the shelter? With the "classics" there are no such troubles, just intercepted without any replacement of the shutter (AUG / Tabor), or reinstalling the extractor (FAMAS).
Quote: marshes

The Austrian Shteer showed us well, especially in prefabricated houses where space is limited. Although now we use the MP-5. Ksyukha still does not have a stopping effect.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Okolotochny

Off topic - Deactivate, what kind of animal and what does it eat?

A deactivated or dehydrated pistol is a type of weapon in which design changes have been made that prevent it from using live or traumatic ammunition, only blank cartridges

[Okolotochny]

Thank you colleague.

[WUA 518]

Quote: marshes

He asked that the KGB handle be

Foodie however
I gave it to a friend here

[marshes]

Quote: WUA 518

Foodie however

Not just talking, he then brought me to the shooting range their local, when shooting from 357 shorty I spoke out that something like this for 15 years yuzal.
He obviously didn’t intend to give the knife, he left a lot of things for the return trip, he had to get through Hanover, so that they wouldn’t bind them with their laws, he would conduct his brother-in-law.

[Monarchist]

HK managed to surpass solid bison: Beret or FN are more than reputable companies, and Sauer (hunting Sauers is a song, not a gun) is also whiter than a solid "office".
My opinion: experience and the "school" of gunsmiths are of great importance in the production of weapons. German gunsmiths have centuries of experience. Austria, you are the Germans themselves: staers or glocks. Israel is an American and European Arms School

[Maz]

It's time, Hekler and Koch are not Israeli attempts to copy the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

[Maz]

Quote: 210ox

Yes, it’s understandable that a German assault rifle is better. But what kind of lyad did the French chew snot for thirty years and did not create SOMETHING of their own?

Quote: Rich

HK416 assault rifle

I must add that survivability as in AK

[d.gksueyjd]

In the German media recently there was a publication about the shortcomings of the NK 41 version - until the withdrawal from service.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: d.gksueyjd

In the German media recently there was a publication about the shortcomings of the NK 41 version - until the withdrawal from service.

Maybe HK G36?

[Orionvit]

Quote: Alexey RA

How easily do we judge ancestors

Where did you see it?

The problem with CBT was that handling it required knowledge. Either general education, or those that drive into the head in the army.

Did you even read what I wrote?

Orionvit. In the hands of a competent fighter, she showed excellent results.

Then re-read, and do not retell in your own words the same thing.

[senima56]

If Le Pen comes to power in France, they will rearm on the AK-12!

[LifeIsGood]

Quote: senima56

If Le Pen comes to power in France, they will rearm on the AK-12!

Your naivety is simply amazing (