Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation refused to use tankers on the basis of IL-96-400Т

The program for converting two Il-96-400T wide-body cargo aircraft into Il-96-400TZ tankers was canceled. According to Aviation International News, they decided to curtail the project after the customer, the Russian Ministry of Defense, refused to buy because of the too high cost of conversion. It is possible that now both sides are used in the Il-96-400M passenger aircraft development program, reports aviation portal ATO.RU

Build IL-96-400T at the Voronezh aircraft plant

Two aircraft built for the Polet Airlines (which stopped flying in 2014) were intended to be converted into tankers. The work was entrusted to the Voronezh Aircraft Building Company Joint Stock Company (VASO), which produces aircraft of the IL-96 family. The conversion was supposed to complete by 2018.

According to the plans, the IL-96-400TZ was supposed to carry 65 tons of fuel on board. Estimated flight range - 3500 km. Earlier, the Ministry of Defense did not rule out that the order for the IL-96-400ТЗ could be increased to 30 airplanes.

IL-96-400T - the cargo version of the elongated aircraft of the IL-96 family. In total, four cars of this type were built. Two of them were converted into a VIP plane for the Ministry of Defense and an IL-96-400VPU air control center for the FSB.

Comments

[yehat]

there is a shortage of transport aviation in our country
why these 2 cars just can not be used for its intended purpose?

[just Palych]

Because we do not have a real economy and no one will get kickbacks for this, as with Boeing or Airbuses. In addition to the military-industrial complex and the non-mining industry, it is difficult to name really successful projects!

[St Petrov]

In addition to the military-industrial complex and the non-mining industry, it is difficult to name really successful projects!

you were just looking badly.

[cost]

It’s just that they, a colleague, tried, contrary to common sense, to find a dark cat in a dark room, especially if it is not there ...

[yehat]

Yes and no need to search. In Russia, international transport aviation leasing has long been rolled back.
All adequate transporters are busy if there are not enough orders inside.

[Monos]

Quote: s-t Petrov

you were just looking badly.

And he does not need to search. He needs to crow the whip. A win-win position - the country collapsed, and then sit and poke your finger at the mistakes and shortcomings of those who are trying to restore it.

[Ivan Ivanov]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Промышленность_Росс
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[siberalt]

From such an aircraft, but to make a fuel truck?

[Zaurbek]

And a fuel truck and AWACS and a strategic intelligence ...

[Reviews]

Quote: siberalt

From such an aircraft, but to make a fuel truck?

So what?

[maxim947]

In order to make a transporter on the basis of this aircraft, it needs to be substantially modified, there is no ramp and much more, plus the need for this side is necessary, taking into account the existing new and old IL-76 + Ruslana. This board resembles a proverb about a suitcase without a handle, and it’s uncomfortable to carry and throw a pity. In such cases, the sides are usually given to the airline "Russia". On its basis, by the way, it would not be bad to make just the passenger side, in the presence of good engines, etc., we do not have this segment, but probably the issue of profitability does not allow. To my taste, the most beautiful plane, it's a pity no one needs it.

[FID]

Quote: maxim947

In order to make a transporter on the basis of this aircraft, it must be substantially modified

Yes, yes .... And in the a / c "Flight" it was used as an attraction .... And regular flights from Germany to Shanghai (2 times a week) with 92 tons of LOAD on board are bullshit ... As a military man - well, completely with you, but as a truck .... Really sorry!

[Reviews]

Quote: maxim947

In order to make a transporter on the basis of this aircraft, it must be substantially modified, there is no ramp

What nonsense ... what for him a ramp? 3/4, and even 9 / 10th goods (including army) are boxes, containers (not railway) and pallets. All this does not require a ramp, but is loaded through a side hatch. Read about the "general cargo." Accordingly, 3/4 fleets of military transport aircraft around the world are just ramp aircraft.
Not every day you need to carry tanks, helicopters and guns. The daily demands of any military unit are products, ammunition, and so on. All this is loaded without a ramp.

On its basis, by the way, it would not be bad to make just the passenger side

No. A 300 ... 400-seat aircraft with 4 engines is now an anachronism. Maximum three; better two.

[maxim947]

That's when you personally load such a board through the ladder with boxes, when you spend half a day on it and the back with everything else falls off, then you will be clever. I’m not a pilot, but I loaded my hundred on board at Chkalovsky. The transporter must have a ramp !. And the fact that you write there about some sort of general cargo, I didn’t understand anything, but it’s not from a good life. And how will you drop the soldiers? They will jump out of your place for an hour and will carry them hundreds of kilometers away, respectively.

[Reviews]

Quote: maxim947

That's when you personally load such a board through the ladder with boxes, when you spend half a day on it and the back with everything else falls off, then you will be clever. I’m not a pilot, but I loaded my hundred on board at Chkalovsky.

It is clear that your thinking is no higher than the mover. Including, about "do not be clever" not to tell you. 3/4 transport aircraft (including military) in the world are converted passengers. KC-xx, VC-10, Airbuses, and so on.

The transporter must have a ramp!

Who should she? You? Not at all, you imagined too much about yourself. For most of the tasks facing the BTA, a ramp-free aircraft is sufficient. It is cheaper and faster.

And what you write there about some sort of general cargo, I didn’t understand anything

Yes, I see. With what I congratulate you. Can you at least read correctly what I wrote? What else is "general"?

how will you drop the soldiers? They will jump out of your place for an hour and will carry them hundreds of kilometers accordingly.

What other landing? What other soldiers? Do you, in general, know what "freight transportation" is?

[maxim947]

I loaded planes while in the rank of major, and personally loaded - because no one else was there, but the sides must be sent. And most containers are oversized, which stupidly does not go into the door. I had to load the carcass into the luggage compartment, so I would like you to have to do it and wrap your neck around, and you can’t fix your dullness. humble yourself stupid person

[Reviews]

Quote: maxim947

I loaded planes while in the rank of major, and personally loaded - because no one else was there, but the sides must be sent. And most containers are oversized, which stupidly does not go into the door. I had to load the carcass into the luggage compartment, so I would like you to have to do it and wrap your neck around, and you can’t fix your dullness. humble yourself stupid person

Hmm ... How about the wall. I told him about the general cargo, and he told me about some generals and oversized. I told him about the lateral cargo, and he told me about the doors and luggage racks.
"Major, you will never be a polkan" ...

[maxim947]

I haven’t been a major for a long time, but it’s like you are a polkan, I mean a dog. Fucking innovator, all the fools around? You alone know everything. Cut a side hatch in your head, there’s nothing to spoil.

[Reviews]

Quote: maxim947

I haven’t been a major for a long time, but it’s like you are a polkan, I mean a dog. Fucking innovator, all the fools around? You alone know everything. Cut a side hatch in your head, there’s nothing to spoil.

A set of words.
You would, at first, ask how much the same US has KC-, and how many, for example, Galaxy. And how many civilian non-ramp aircraft have been brought in for military transport. And then remember what and in what packages you loaded in ChKL. And you will see that the packages are standard and in 90% of cases do not exceed 2x2x2 meters in size. This is one example of a general cargo that fits perfectly into non-ramps with a side hatch.


And on such airplanes they carry ammunition, and rifleman, and spare parts, and personnel and much more, which is 3/4, if not more, of the needs of any military unit. And this is much cheaper than on ramps, at least in the sense of fuel consumed, the military logistics are happy.
And if someone believes that the rifle is just an addition to the bayonet, in the sense that the all-all-all military-technical forces are constantly faced with a parachute landing, then it was better for him not to leave the movers.

[bulvas]

Quote: Avis

Avis Today, 12:19 ↑
Quote: maxim947

The dialogue is very fun. Thanks to the participants

[donavi49]

Where is this deficit? The citizen does not have it.

To transport pallets is more profitable on 747, which is what private traders do. The same ABC is looking for somewhere else to buy from the presence of 4x747 cargo.

MO - there is no special need to carry pallets. And the one that is is closed by a passing Il. That is, even one specialized aircraft will be redundant. And so huge. The same USA - for example, they gave it to outsourcing, although their pallet transportations are going off scale.

Passenger? There are no commercial orders and never will be. Departments have already scored for themselves and there is no need. Well, that is, only to support the pants, so that he stands and eats money / rotates. Soldier - transportation has been arranged and again - it’s simply not needed so much (how many directions, where there is a need to transport 300 + people from point A to point B — and not yet Russian Railways, but by plane? And if it comes, then again Il-76, private traders who can be raked for a one-time action, the regular fleet of Carcasses MO). The Americans - who constantly rotate large masses of military personnel from other parts of the world, for the most part, have also outsourced this.

Freight with a rear ramp? So the volume of alterations surpasses, and why, if there is 476 in the series?

The tanker was in fact the only real option to add failed sides to the parking lot.

[svp67]

Quote: yehat

why these 2 cars just can not be used for its intended purpose?

But few people know what they’ve decided to turn into now ... Apparently, we now need more than "air tankers"

[Walanin]

Because IL-96 is a commercially unprofitable aircraft for any airline.

[faiver]

who has proven this? just words ...

[Walanin]

Proving is required for its benefit. It is enough to look at fuel efficiency and everything falls into place No one IL-96 in his mind will not buy of his own free will. The exception is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the President of the Russian Federation. But nobody gave a choice there.

[FID]

Quote: Walanin

Just look at fuel efficiency

What about fuel ... etc. be careful. Does motor power depend on fuel? You think, and then we’ll talk .... Here is the service staff, more ... But, I ask you, in areas that, in addition to the language, require something else ....

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

Quote: Walanin

Just look at fuel efficiency

What about fuel ... etc. be careful. Does motor power depend on fuel? You think, and then we’ll talk .... Here is the service staff, more ... But, I ask you, in areas that, in addition to the language, require something else ....

And, nevertheless, your opponent is absolutely right: ceteris paribus a 4-engine plane has worse fuel efficiency than a 2-engine one. This is just a fact.

[Walanin]

Quote: SSI

Does motor power depend on fuel?

It depends. More power means more consumption. 4x engines eat more than 2x with a comparable total thrust. Maintenance and repair of 4 engines costs more than 2. 4th engines are more expensive than two. Maintaining an airplane for which there are no spare parts other than to order from Russia costs more than one for which there is everything at any seedy airport. Etc.
That is why even Aeroflot flees from Ilov as if from a fire and buys Boeing 777

[Reviews]

Quote: faiver

who has proven this?

A life. You, at least, compare fuel consumption. These are numbers, not words.

[Zaurbek]

Compared with the IL-76 (476) IL-96 is a miracle economical and ergonomic aircraft

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Compared with the IL-76 (476) IL-96 is a miracle economical and ergonomic aircraft

They can only be compared with a large number of reservations and introductory words: their tasks are often very different. IL-96 will not be able to translate either an armored personnel carrier or a helicopter.
With ergonomics, the IL-76 is all right.

[Zaurbek]

Take a specific task - Tanker and AWACS ....

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Take a specific task - Tanker and AWACS ....

And? .. Got where to put it?

[Zaurbek]

Those who went to school and read books will compare flight range, number of crew, load capacity. These are those who studied.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Those who went to school and read books will compare flight range, number of crew, load capacity. These are those who studied.

Well there is no way...

[golikov]

They abandoned the idea of ​​refueling, but not the idea of ​​sucking in the Russian Armed Forces aircraft 1997 release! Excellent managers at IFC "UAC"!

[yehat]

But what will happen to the plane if it stood in the hangar? Moreover, the 4th car was created much later.
The glider did not leave its resource. Avionics and engines are not the latest, but not entirely old.

[tomket]

Quote: golikov

but not from the idea of ​​sucking in the RF Armed Forces 1997 aircraft of the year! Excellent managers at IFC "UAC"!

And what exactly do you dislike about the 97 aircraft of the year?

[golikov]

http://russianplanes.net/reginfo/251
Read its registry, then we'll talk.

[zivXP]

Abandoned these two sides, and not from the idea itself.

[Santa bear]

Apparently there is no alternative to the good old IL-76 as an air tanker in the near future and is not expected

[birs]

The military has long been against the IL-96 as a tanker due to the low location of the engines, the chances of catching a pebble in dviglo are higher than that of the IL-76, and cleaning of runways is not always carried out as often as in civilian airports.

[yehat]

that for some reason does not interfere with the operation of il-xnumx
for some reason pebbles don't bother him
finally, you can also make a grid of stones as on a su-27 for example
I think the location of the engines is certainly not the main argument.

[Alex_59]

Quote: yehat

that for some reason does not interfere with the operation of il-xnumx

He needs ladders to get to the engines. The height of the second floor. IL-76 engines are much higher than the 96.

Quote: yehat

finally, you can also make a grid of stones as on a su-27 for example

The grid? Do Su-Xnumx? Gorgeous-s ... Do you know about this in the Sukhoi Design Bureau?

Quote: yehat

I think the location of the engines is certainly not the main argument.

That's right. Salvage ...

[Mik13]

Quote: Alex_59

The grid? Do Su-Xnumx? Gorgeous-s ... Do you know about this in the Sukhoi Design Bureau?

Enlighten yourself.

To protect the engines from the ingress of foreign objects during the testing of engines on the ground, taxiing, take-off and landing in the inlet of the air intakes installed protective devices (memory). They are mesh panels with 2,5X2,5 mm holes for air passage.
Protective devices can operate in automatic and manual modes.
Opening the charger on take-off is carried out after opening the limit switches of the compressed position of the left main landing gear and is controlled by the extinction of the signaling devices on the IP-52.
The closing of the landing gear at the landing is carried out after compression of the left main landing gear and is monitored by the illuminators on the IP-52.
In case of failure of the limit switch of the compressed position of the left rack of the chassis, the charger opens after the switch of the crane of the chassis is in the REMOVED position, and closes after the switch is in the RELEASED position. Therefore, when approaching after setting the switch on the chassis crane to the RELEASED position, it is necessary to check the position of the charger.
If on the IP-52 the flashers of the closed position of the charger are displayed, set the GRID REVERSE switch to the OPEN position.
In manual mode, to ensure the forced opening of the memory, it is necessary to set the ON / OFF GRID switch to the OPEN position.
(c) RLE, book 2 section 8

[Приговор]

I think that for two almost ready-made, wide-body cars, they found a more worthy application. Just sure.

[tomket]

But in general, would an IL-96 tanker be better than an IL-78? In general, a series of 30 tankers would not have looked bad.

[donavi49]

Range + profitability. Well, that is, such a cow could provide a refueling aircraft at the other end of the ball and comfortably return home. But for 78 it is necessary to make the jump airdrome tricky + give it much less, especially at the maximum range.

[Iline]

The idea of ​​converting passenger aircraft into tankers is not at all new. In the same USAland, for example, there were DC - 135 passenger planes and there were KC-135 tankers. The same can be said about the pair of DC-10 and KC-10. Well and so on.
And the idea of ​​converting the IL-96 into a tanker was most likely abandoned with common sense about the necessary costs of making a dream come true.
There is no doubt that a tanker of this class is very necessary for Long-Range Aviation. Only now it’s easier to create a new plane than to adapt the old one to your “Wishlist”.

[Reviews]

Quote: Iline

were DC passenger aircraft - 135

Were not. :) The reactive DCs were -8, -9 and -10. And KC-135 and C-18 were made from Boeing-707.

[keeper03]

Let’s hope that they will serve more effectively on the Il-96-400M citizen than in the Russian Defense Ministry!

[donavi49]

0 civilian customers. Only if in vain (well, that is, under 100% subsidy + subsidy for maintenance) - someone will agree.

[Ivan Ivanov]

So you need to date, eventually bring, sitting on someone else’s technique is harmful.

[keeper03]

Aeroflot must agree, it will not decrease from it!

[igor67]

Quote: keeper03

Aeroflot must agree, it will not decrease from it!

and why MO can’t be donated for free. Aeroflot can do it with its own MO for not measured money.

[midivan]

Quote: igor67

he will not leave him!

It means that it’s not getting poorer, there is money, but to give someone for free 2 planes, as I believe it’s two annual budgets of the Voronezh region, and the plant will have to go with outstretched for many years . P.S. strange to hear this looking at your moisture no offense

[zivXP]

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense did not exclude that the order for IL-96-400TZ could be increased to 30 boards.

I.e. as I understand it, these two boards were abandoned. not from the whole order. Maybe they know better in the place what is what.

[borov]

they decided to curtail the project after the customer refused to purchase due to the too high cost of conversion

In China, the interests of the state are primarily because they have this:
https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/30627-pervyij-
kitajskij-avianosets-poyavilis-vpechatlyayuschie-
photo-i-video.htm
But we don’t have any money ..

[midivan]

As you have already pulled up with China, do you want to say something about corruption?

[/ quote] Since 2000, about 10 thousand officials were shot in China for corruption, another 120 thousand received 10-20 years in prison. Now in China there is a lot of talk about the execution of Beijing Deputy Mayor Liu Zhihua.

For 2 years, China has produced more cement than the United States for the entire XX century.

Does the USA get chips and can not do anything?

The courts in China in 2016 sentenced 2 people for corruption, according to a report by the Supreme People’s Court.

According to the Xinhua News Agency, in 2016, the judicial authorities of China examined 45 thousand cases related to corruption, in which 49 thousand people were involved. Among the defendants were 35 former provincial officials and above, and 240 district-level officials.

It is reported that the courts sentenced 2862 criminals for bribery, having examined 15 thousand cases related to corruption and embezzlement of budget funds. [Quote]

They shoot them, and they steal, but maybe the matter is in the number of people? Well, there everyone hit with a hammer on an iron disc, here’s the aircraft carrier, well, as an option And still no less bored - “there is no money, well, you are there ......” - you cheated ..... they got attached to Medvedev, it wasn’t difficult to understand that he couldn’t say directly - because you entered the composition of Russia you will not have preferences, you will live like all Russians !, there are diplomacy .

[Krabik]

Crimeans need to be grateful (and they are grateful), only for the fact that the Russian Federation did not allow the Turks there to launch their thugs from ISIS and frolic there by cutting off the Bosko in full.

A Medvedev quote torn out of context.
Although this joke "there is no money, but you hold on" and there are poor pensioners nearby, in my opinion it was very successful;)

Even with Medvedev's dances, KVN-schiki also came up with a great idea.

Well, artists and other figures also need to remember that such jokes can adversely affect leaders and they will hammer a bolt on the people and the country.
It will turn out in the end, as with Nicholas 2, then these same artists will be homeless in the gateways or will be victims of a civil war.

[midivan]

Quote: Krabik

Crimeans need to be grateful (and they are grateful), only for the fact that the Russian Federation did not allow the Turks there to launch their thugs from ISIS and frolic there by cutting off the Bosko in full.
A Medvedev quote torn out of context.
Although this joke "there is no money, but you hold on" and there are poor pensioners nearby, in my opinion it was very successful;)

Thats just , lately the first time I hear (see) a sane statement! The rest would have understood that because of their substance on the fan it would not be long before the coup.

[Cossack 471]

Unfortunately, the authorities do not hear us. The people understand that. in what quantities and what is exported from the country but “no money”. 100 years ago, the authorities did the same. And when they overthrew it for a long time, they were surprised "for what

[Krabik]

Cossack 471

She was not overthrown, she was rotten and fell apart herself, and the Bolsheviks and Lenin picked up the shame lying around at their feet.

[Walanin]

Well, if they steal in China, then let them ours. Is that your logic?

[midivan]

quote = Walanin] Well, if they steal in China, then let them go. Is this your logic? [/ Quote] My logic, there is nothing to be equal on others, you have to live your own and strive for something without looking back at your neighbor and not counting other people's money. My answer was this: In China, the interests of the state are primarily because they have like this:
https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/30627-pervyij-
kitajskij-avianosets-poyavilis-vpechatlyayuschie-
photo-i-video.htm
But we don’t have any money ..

[Walanin]

Quote: midivan

My logic, there is nothing to equal on others you need to live your

Well, there’s nothing to argue about the Chinese corruption.

Quote: midivan

But we don’t have any money ..

That is amazing. There is corruption, but no money.

[midivan]

All the curtain don’t be too lazy to read the branch from the beginning and everything will become clear to you, I give a hint the beginning of this branch begins with the nickname borov --- Yesterday, 12:51
They decided to curtail the project after the customer refused the purchase because of the too high conversion cost. In China, the state’s interests are primarily because of theirs:
https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/3062

[Ayrat M.]

Capitalists, their mother's foot

[K-50]

The program for converting two Il-96-400T wide-body cargo aircraft into Il-96-400TZ tankers was canceled.

It is a pity, all the same, it is much more profitable than the IL-78. And the flight range is greater and the load will take one and a half times more. probably the kickbacks weren’t divided again.

[zivXP]

So they write that earlier the Ministry of Defense did not exclude that the order for IL-96-400TZ could be increased to 30 boards. So there will be an order of 28 IL-96-400TZ. No one says about the IL-76. Apparently the news is written in such a way that not very attentive readers have to think out for themselves. Rather, this is the title in the spirit of the PP.

[Chilean Abalon]

Why are you clinging to the kickbacks. There is ground infrastructure under Il-78, but not under Il-96.

[Zaurbek]

Can be used with civil airfields. With pilots it will only be difficult

[midivan]

Quote: Zaurbek

Can be used with civil airfields. With pilots it will only be difficult

Although I’m very, very far from this topic, but in my opinion it’s impossible. Can you imagine if a railway carload of fuel is spilled (I don’t even want to write directly what I mean, I think I’ll understand that) how many burnt suitcases will be in such a port?

[Reviews]

Quote: midivan

Although I’m very, very far from this topic, but in my opinion it’s impossible. Can you imagine if a railway carload of fuel is spilled (I don’t even want to write directly what I mean, I think I’ll understand that) how many burnt suitcases will be in such a port?

And why does it spill? And why are "charred"?

[Zaurbek]

At airports there is little fuel you want to say? Any flying fuel tank (in some more, in some less)

[midivan]

Quote: Avis

And why does it spill? And why are "charred"?

All the same, forced to write it meant a crash (God forbid) and the people in Moscow in the port of darkness are here and “the suitcases will be burnt”

Quote: Zaurbek

At airports there is little fuel you want to say? Any flying fuel tank (in some more, in some less)

Repeat -Although I am very, very far from this topic, but in my opinion, by analogy, a car refueling machine is much worse in case of fire of any vehicle, whether it be a bus or a truck

[Reviews]

[quote = midivan, by analogy, a car refueler is much worse in case of fire of any vehicle, whether it be a bus or a truck [/ Quote]
With figal?

[Reviews]

Quote: Locos

Why are you clinging to the kickbacks. There is ground infrastructure under Il-78, but not under Il-96.

And what kind of demonic "infrastructure for IL-96" is it that is directly so difficult / expensive / impossible to create? :) To redraw the parking lot or to start the stepladder?

[Zaurbek]

Well, something like that ... Filling the plane is more expensive than $ 100 million, and they cannot buy concrete and stepladders.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, something like that ... Filling the plane is more expensive than $ 100 million, and they cannot buy concrete and stepladders.

Yes, there is no need to buy something special there. Well, except for trucks with lifting bodies or other "highloaders" to lift cargo to the height of the deck of the IL-96th.

[Zaurbek]

Well, for more, but not significantly in comparison with the price and capabilities of the device

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

for more

For example?

[Zaurbek]

Trite, a loader of luggage containers, ladders, maybe some navigation equipment at airfields

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Trite, baggage container loader

One of two things: either you don’t fundamentally read the interlocutor, or you didn’t go to school either. Only I, according to your version, skipped math, and you - Russian.

except for trucks with lifting bodies or other "highloaders" to lift cargo to the height of the deck of the IL-96th.

And without them, in principle, you can do if you wish.

gangways

What for? There are ladders, it is possible to make a built-in ladder on the plane itself, just select the option.

maybe what navigation equipment at airfields

What kind of IL-96 is required, but IL-76 is not needed? Specifically.

[ikrut]

Quote: just a PEG

... it's hard to name really successful projects!

Have you been banned in Google? It’s not a big deal to search the Internet for successful Russian projects. Look at nuclear energy, machine tool building, the production of building materials, agricultural machinery, there is movement in aviation, an icebreaking fleet, and the same automotive industry ... Full of good projects that are either implemented or are being implemented. Although, I think you do not need it. But you need to smear tears and snot - how bad everything is.

[AKsvlad047]

We do not have such a technique at the moment, and if it is not done, it will never work! And they talk about some kind of economic feasibility !!! Who is not profitable ??? Those who receive 2 million per day in state-owned corporations ???? And the economic benefit of their rule tends to zero ???? For those who steers Sberbank registered in the US ???? And what about the highly skilled workers they think ??? Do they think that design schools should develop in our country or do they want our grandchildren to study in the West again ??? They think about our children who have finished (not free of charge as in the USSR) higher education institutions at best find work for 30 thousand rubles ??? (how can my child build a house with such money, give birth to grandchildren and will not live like a beggar?!?!?!). All of them are not profitable !!!!!! Let specifically specify to whom it is not profitable !!!!!!!!! And I don’t cry, as some here think, I worked and work for my Motherland all my life !!!! But the brothers are insulted when good things are not done because it is not profitable for some kind of capitalist !!!

[midivan]

Quote: AKsvlad047

For those who steers Sberbank registered in the US ????

Sick without panic I was a little surprised by this, and for more than half an hour I rummaged in nete and except how it didn’t find anything

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RBC 30.06.2014/17/20, Moscow 49:1:2014 Sberbank in connection with the entry into force on July XNUMX, XNUMX US Foreign Account Taxation Act (FATCA) is registered with the IRS as a financial institution that complies with FATCA requirements. This is stated in the message of the bank.

According to the FATCA, foreign banks working with American taxpayers should begin transmitting such information about American customers from July 1, 2014, and about legal entities from the second quarter of 2015. Failure to comply with the requirements threatens Russian banks with special sanctions by the IRS - the agency will hold 30% of the amount of transactions involving US counterparties.

Read more at RBC:
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20140630172049.shtm
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In general, I am angry with you on the one hand for the time spent! and on the other, grateful for the "extra" knowledge

But this is worth paying attention to. The reasons for the crash of the Tu-154 crashed in Sochi became known
According to Gazeta.Ru, the specialists involved in the investigation of the catastrophe of the Tu-154 military liner flying to Syria on December 25, 2016 in Sochi concluded that the aircraft was overloaded: instead of the standard 98 tons, the take-off weight was more than 110 tons. the crew was not aware of the overload and took off, based on the allowable take-off weight of the manned vehicle. Newspaper. Yesterday at 18:13 [quote]

And I would really like to know who it is worth loading at least for life!

[bk316]

They think about our children who have finished (not free of charge as in the USSR) higher education institutions at best find work for 30 thousand rubles ???

2 questions directly begs:
- What did not go to the budget?
- What kind of university and specialty did you choose that you are looking for work for 30 thousand?

[kaschey]

That's right! No refueling is necessary, and no transports are needed; there’s nothing to refuel and transport. It is better to demolish the mausoleum and relax on Tahiti with the money earned. Laughter - six aircraft were assembled in a year, economists - ept.

[exo]

I wonder how many boards do SLO Russia need? It seems that they decided to attach all the aircraft that can produce or upgrade the Russian aircraft industry. Excluding Superjet.

[Zaurbek]

There are still a lot of special boards ... for which only a domestic board is needed (fully)

[andrewkor]

As far as I know, passenger aircraft-based trucks are designed for container transportation and they do not need a ramp, you need to make the side door larger and strengthen the floor with rollers for rolling containers. Alteration of time-honored "passengers" into "transporters" worldwide practice !!!

[Charond]

You need to save on eternally hungry officials and Rublevka, and not on the Russian Aerospace Forces!

[alone]

Only one thing is not clear from the article.
And how much did they cost? It would be interesting to know the price of one aircraft. And then from the article it turns out that they refused because it was too expensive, but specifically what kind of information sum is 0.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Walanin

Proving is required for its benefit. It is enough to look at fuel efficiency and everything falls into place No one IL-96 in his mind will not buy of his own free will. The exception is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the President of the Russian Federation. But nobody gave a choice there.

In fuel efficiency per passenger / kilometer, the IL-96-400 is better than the Boeing 757 and 767, which flutter throughout Russia. Including those copies that are forbidden to fly over the United States (because of the danger to residents)

[Reviews]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

In fuel efficiency per passenger / kilometer, the IL-96-400 is better than the Boeing 757 and 767.

Alas, it is not.

[exo]

Who told you such nonsense? Read at your leisure:
http://www.ato.ru/content/sravnenie-ekspluatacion
noy-ekonomiki-il-96-300-i-boeing-767-300-na-opyte
-aeroflota
And from personal experience, I’ll say that any of the engines on the Boeing 767 family, in terms of performance, is better than the PS-90. Fortunately, I also dealt with PS and CF6-80S. And about Pratt Whitney, the guys from Transaero told.

[Walanin]

Not better. The same Boeing 767 has a fuel consumption of about 5 tons / hour, IL-96 - 8 tons / hour. With the same passenger capacity and carrying capacity. The difference is almost 2 times. No commercial company will spend so much more resources in its mind.
Or personally, are you ready to pay twice as much for flights simply because you fly on an IL-96 and not on a Boeing?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: ikrut

Have you been banned in Google? It’s not a big deal to search the Internet for successful Russian projects. Look at nuclear energy, machine tool building, the production of building materials, agricultural machinery, there is movement in aviation, an icebreaking fleet, and the same automotive industry ... Full of good projects that are either implemented or are being implemented. Although, I think you do not need it. But you need to smear tears and snot - how bad everything is.

In the automotive industry, machine tool industry and civil aircraft industry, a complete ass. Hopeless.
I say this with bitterness, because I have worked all my life in the automotive industry, and I have heard about the machine tool industry and the aircraft industry not by hearsay.
It's a shame that he himself described the scenario of strangling our car industry on some website about 15 years ago. Actors and mechanisms. Alas, it all coincided. Now is the last phase of the final destruction of the last Russian car factory - VAZ and its transformation into assembly production. To revive it, as a full-fledged automobile plant, under the current government is no longer possible.

[midivan]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

It's a shame that he himself described the scenario of strangling our car industry on some website about 15 years ago. Actors and mechanisms. Alas, it all coincided.

As I understand it, this is you, including I am obliged to thank the shaken nerves for knocked down hands during the repair of our car industry ? But you see how it all turns out, you did a lot of work to analyze and forecast our basins, and if you all Yes, all workers, craftsmen and engineers would take a boycott and say that we will let out more frank g ... oh, for shame go Manturov or who is there steers this theme forest !, and until you decide to release normal cars that correspond to the time, we won’t go to work! The width of the soul was not enough?

[Reviews]

Quote: midivan

when repairing our car industry

Total???

[midivan]

Quote: Avis

Total???

Not just everything, ZIL, Lawn 53 and VAZ 2108 I respect and take off my hat to everyone who participated in the creation, I hate the Vaz classics, Niva, UAZ with all the fibers of my soul, two pieces of iron, and most ... laughter

[exo]

The aviation industry, and specifically the Tupolev Design Bureau, itself ruined its offspring: Tu-204/214. It does not give a damn about its operators. It was hoped that in the absence of competition, in the late 90s, their planes would take it anyway. And the airlines began to refuse them. A lot of reasons. And PS-90, one of them.
I won’t say anything about the auto industry. True, I don’t think the Togliatti cars are good. They could exist in the years of the Union only in a closed market.

[Skifotavr]

I goof ... And how much pathos and joy there was at one time!

[Damir]

VVIP-plane is that ????? Of course there is the English term "Very important person" ie VIP, ... in the translation "Very important person" .... but what was meant in this case ?????