Shifting time for the preparation of IL-112В for the first flight

According to the Internet portal aviation21.ruDuring the working visit to the enterprises of the Voronezh region, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin visited, among other things, the Voronezh Mechanical Plant, where they were examined sites where engines are manufactured, inspected the VASO aircraft factory, where he listened to the progress report on the development of military IL-112V transport aircraft.

It was assumed that the first flight of a new light aircraft military transport aviation IL-112V will happen no later than July 1, 2017. However, most likely, the indicated dates will be shifted to the right. According to the statement of the president of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar, the first flight of the Il-112V is expected before the end of 2017.

UAC is going to produce Il-112 military transport planes at a rate of 12-18 units per year. The first flight of the IL-112B is planned before the end of the 2017 of the year, and the start of deliveries is from the 2021 of the year.

- explained Yuri Slyusar.

3 February 2017 of the year was completed docking wing with the fuselage on the first prototype IL-112В and the aircraft entered the final assembly shop. 22 February at JSC "IL" started the installation of an experimental model of a procedural simulator, necessary for the preparation of the first flight of IL-112В. 5 April 2017 VASO received the first TV7-117CT engines. On April 11, the management of OAO Il approved the deal with LII. Gromov to equip the Il-112 test aircraft with the KBTI-M kit for testing.

In connection with the deadlines, Dmitry Rogozin told Twitter:

But the conversation at the Voronezh aircraft factory was not pleasant. Required to submit a follow-up schedule of work on the new machine.

February 3 2017:

15 April 2017 year:

Comments

[Mystery12345]

it would be surprising if we were ahead of schedule ... and so, not news but tradition.

[SAG]

The whole article fit in two photographs. Neither reduce nor add.

[krops777]

But the conversation at the Voronezh aircraft factory was not pleasant. Required to submit a follow-up schedule of work on the new machine.

I hope that Rogozin figured out the reasons for the lag, and then, as always, he waved his saber, as a result, a raw product came out, if only to damn the main.

[Letun]

Quote: krops777

I hope that Rogozin figured out the reasons for the lag

Your Rogozin, except for balabolstvo is not capable of anything. I wonder how, after the story with the Eastern and personal guarantee, he still remained in his place. No, I’m not surprised.

[Stas157]

. He demanded to present a catch-up schedule of work on the new machine.

What did Rogozin do wrong ?? To our public, that way, that way - all are one! Come on, splash your frustrations! Compare with Medvedev yet! Put in one row! And Chubais there, too, do not forget! And are there any weighty arguments for dissatisfaction? Maybe Rogozin has as many palaces as DAM, or does he still live in an apartment? Saves money apparently!
Is there anyone better in government than Rogozin? Name it.

[Genry]

Quote: Letun

Your Rogozin, except for balabolstvo is not capable of anything.

While your balobolost is obvious.
Rogozin knows that the serial engine to the aircraft will appear no earlier than 2021. The manufacture of pilot IL-112 is very fast, involving all the plant’s capacities. Why scandal?

[Topotun]

And without dvigla who needs a plane? Start riveting to foreign markets? So who is waiting for him there?

[Reviews]

Quote: Topotun

And without dvigla who needs a plane?

Tests with full take-off weight are, God forbid, 1 / 10th of the program. Especially now, when the main problem is not in the hardware and aerodynamics, but in the EMR compatibility and the avionics software, they can also be caught with zero short circuit.
There are many examples when the first flights were performed with less powerful engines than regular ones. The same Ilyushin had it with Il-62 - the first side took off from AL-7 instead of NK-8. And then the NK-8 was brought to the option of the NK-8-4 even more thrust.
Including, in anticipation of 7-117ST, in principle, you can fly with a VMG made of 7-117.

[Topotun]

But there is also no reason to drive readiness either. Therefore, I don’t see anything terrible in delays.

[Reviews]

Quote: Topotun

But there is also no reason to drive readiness either. Therefore, I don’t see anything terrible in delays.

Maybe not. But it is better to have a margin of time when the engine finally arrives. Glider can be tested on low traction.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Genry

Rogozin knows that the serial engine to the aircraft will appear no earlier than 2021.

since there are engines on the first plane, as you can see from the article - it is not clear why the deadline was drastically postponed for six months - and Rogozin, it would not hurt to regularly monitor the process, and not just come once a quarter, he was told that we didn’t have time - and let's scribble immediately on the tweeter. He seems to be responsible for the runway, it seems, but it turns out, as if his tasks were to cover events cleanly. On the plane, there are no breakthrough technologies, the dimensions are not large, in February everything was according to plan, and after two months the term is moving sharply!

[Reviews]

Quote: Stirbjorn

On the plane, there are no breakthrough technologies, the dimensions are not large, in February everything was according to plan, and after two months the term is moving sharply!

In order to lag behind the previously promised schedule, “breakthrough technologies” are not required, 20 years of collapse are enough. For 30+ years, Ilyushin residents have not built ramp aircraft, and for 20+ years they have not designed new aircraft (IL-103 does not count). At VASO, too, everything is not going smoothly with modern construction technologies: the IL-96 is an airplane of the 1980s.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Avis

In order to lag behind the previously promised schedule, “breakthrough technologies” are not required, 20 years of collapse are enough.

so you can’t plan a schedule with all this in mind ?! in advance - and not give out on Twitter a simple statement of fact

[Reviews]

Quote: Stirbjorn

so you can’t plan a schedule with all this in mind ?! in advance

I do not know. Maybe it’s possible.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Letun

Your Rogozin, except for balabolstvo is not capable of anything.

Nedvano tweeted: "I was in Voronezh, the conversation turned out to be tough"

[Titsen]

Quote: Mystery12345

it would be surprising if we were ahead of schedule ... and so, not news but tradition.

It would be their late payroll managers.

And cut back!

[Filxnumx]

"- why doesn't anyone catch Elusive Joe?
- but to hell who needs it! "
from the folklore of the sheriffs of the Wild West.
believe me, Such People will live well without the handout of the people called "salary"

[Reviews]

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Mystery12345

it would be surprising if we were ahead of schedule ... and so, not news but tradition.

It would be their late payroll managers.
And cut back!

"Phil" correctly answered you - they only paid official cigarettes. Only head trimming will help here. But, "who will put him in prison ?!" As Zadornov correctly noted, “That's who he says to fight corruption? Well, right now they all got up and shot themselves! ..”

[iliitchitch]

IL-112 - is that a supercarrier? What are you doing, um, not reasonable at all. 12-18, until the fuck send, well, Dmitry, something I'm disappointed. Arctic, Siberia, Far East Waiting for Small-Medium Aviation. There are no airfields. In the summer - skiing, in the winter - skiing. Well, under the USSR, everything was something! The most complicated topic is to create an airplane. And what, there is a Soviet inheritance, why not move something? AN-2, AN-26 at the last exhale.
Something Rogozin-Medvedev - just twin brothers on a demobilization, both are annoying already. On the type of faces smart guy, in fact - PS-S ...
I don’t believe that they steal, they just can’t, that's all. Nuclear-powered icebreakers without polar aviation. It's like a woman without a man, I'm sorry, but what kind of bolt is going on?
And Putin should publicly tumble down the pendal so that the movements begin. Who would doubt that .

[Moore]

Quote: iliitch

The most difficult topic - create an airplane

Well, we, from the sofas, just spit - to create something.
It seems to me that the “arch-complicated” topic is not “creating an airplane” now, but to achieve well-coordinated work from manufacturers on the supply of components and targeted use of state financing.
Separate greetings to Mr. Rogozin: what, daily monitoring of the implementation of the State Defense Order is not needed? But only after something unintelligible was mumbled in Voronezh, do you need to throw thunder and lightning on Twitter and Facebook?

[Reviews]

Quote: iliitch

IL-112 - is that a supercarrier?

The most complicated topic is to create an airplane.

This is a new aircraft for today’s aviation industry, not the day before yesterday. With the help of foreign firms, they made a good modern passenger plane (su-jet), now they have independently designed a good (let's hope) military transport aircraft, which has its own specifics relative to a pax carrier. The second Russian aircraft and the first military transport Russian aircraft.
“Sometimes it’s not just hard to start again - it’s impossible” © Vadim Zakharov (for another reason). Including, it’s not easy to catch up, it’s very difficult.

In summer - hydro skiing

Do you really well imagine what hydro-skiing is and what experiments on it didn’t go further with any aircraft? :)

Well, under the USSR, everything was something!

What is a Soviet airplane with hydro-skiing that is not part of a half-boat or a boat.

I don’t believe that they steal, they just can’t, that's all.

Judge by yourself? :)

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Avis

Do you really well imagine what hydro-skiing is and what experiments on it didn’t go further with any aircraft? :)

I will answer once to cretins - yes, I stood on the horseradish of Polish, it seems, production, above the cat. the entire squadron was shaking - just not to damage it, otherwise it would start to stink, purely in Polish. But you have to moor, yeah. On the lake, where the coast is not visible. Hello to another nerd about L-410, this pepelats was put into CMEA, where he belongs.
What about "judge by yourself?" - Yes, I can’t just steal. I tried - it does not work. Conscience, infection, at night began to come. Therefore, not rich. Are you asking me something? Something about the fire and the hat suddenly came to my mind, by chance.

[Reviews]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Avis

Do you really well imagine what hydro-skiing is and what experiments on it didn’t go further with any aircraft? :)

I will answer once to cretins - yes, I stood on the hell of a Polish, it seems, production.

Clear. So you have not seen anything.
You will see a nerd in the mirror when mom drives her to wash her dirty face and clean her tongue.
The rest is your nonsense (including the incomprehensible why the mentioned L-410 and theft) - no comment.

[Genry]

Quote: iliitch

The most complicated topic is to create an airplane. And what, there is a Soviet inheritance, why not move something? AN-2, AN-26 at the last exhale.

An-2 why dragged? There is its own replacement: remotorization or L-410.
An-26 resource is still enough, there is nothing to panic.
Count the IL-112 program into two planes. Along with it is the Il-114. They will have a very high degree of unification in terms of components. IL-114 will be completely redesigned for modern technology.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Genry

An-26 resource is still enough, there is nothing to panic.

Who argues? And do not panic. On the "basins" just good ride, that's all. Iron is still enough, for a long time. It touched when the guys on the AN-12 with digital screens flew in the "Crew" of the new version. Well, I wouldn’t bathe at all, it’s more convenient to steer from a smartphone. How many crew are on the AN-12, huh? Au, specialists in hydro-skiing. Ugh, got divorced even in VO, um, some, these, um, specialists.

[FID]

Quote: iliitch

Ugh, got divorced even in VO, um, some, these, um, specialists.

Well, it’s not worth it, the right word .... This “Avis” - to hell with it, it’s disgusting to scrub your hands on Claudia, by golly!

[svp67]

He demanded to present a catch-up schedule of work on the new machine.

And I would take a look at the money sheets, to understand, and who receives how much, for such work, so to speak.

[Genry]

Look for the surname Slusar. This minister was against the production of his aircraft.

[Atlant-1164]

and I hope they will restart the production of AN-2 .. with an upgrade.

[Genry]

Remotorized AN-2

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Atlant-1164

and I hope they will restart the production of AN-2 .. with an upgrade.

There is no engine, as always, as I understand it. The glider is generally a class, nothing needs to be invented.

[aleksfill]

In Russia, only athletes have everything strictly according to the program. We need an Academy
Biathlon - pzhalsta, receive, it is necessary and .... unnecessary concrete Formula 1 training ground
pzhalsta receive, it is necessary for 45 lard. Zenit-arena and 11 (eleven) glades for
footballers - pzhalst, pzhalst, pzhalst-a-ah-ah ........

[iliitchitch]

Quote: aleksfill

In Russia, only athletes have everything strictly according to the program. We need an Academy
Biathlon - pzhalsta, receive, it is necessary and .... unnecessary concrete Formula 1 training ground
pzhalsta receive, it is necessary for 45 lard. Zenit-arena and 11 (eleven) glades for
footballers - pzhalst, pzhalst, pzhalst-a-ah-ah ........

But our sport is transparent, Mutko said. A certain chubais from sports. That’s why he knows that they still haven’t multiplied it by zero? That's what it takes, pah.

[Fox]

and I’m not surprised already ... in a state ruled by a good king and bad boyars, there are stupidly no skilled workers. Especially young. And the old people have already worked out: who has not lived to retire (hello mendel, with his "average" life expectancy) who is a pensioner at the dacha. education is appropriate. pederastists jump to the zombie, whom the state is pretty sick of, they give an example of youth! wonderful ... I'm from Samara, if what ...

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Fox

in the zombies, buggers are jumping, whom the state has robbed heavily, an example of youth!

So on TV we have the main programs about voice and dancing. After that, each teenager wants first of all to “star” on this basis. And twist the nuts - it's not about them. This is not a trend now. Like this.

[Reviews]

Quote: x.andvlad

So on TV we have the main programs about voice and dancing.

Well, it depends on what to watch ... There is NatGeo, Science 2.0 (of course, a little channel, but better than TV-3 or ORT), My Planet, Star, and some more. In order to find out that the rolls do not grow in the store, and without electronics “Zivizda” will not even enter the stage, because without the “plywood” they can’t sing, they will be enough. On Zvezda, it was completely reinterpreted Soviet propaganda in full growth.
But this is an off-topic, of course. :)

[Freeman]

Quote: Avis

Quote: x.andvlad

So on TV we have the main programs about voice and dancing.

Well, it depends on what you look at ...

Alas, in the overwhelming part of the country, in rural areas, only Channel 1 and Russia 1 can be received without problems. For everything else, there are "dancing with a tambourine."

[Reviews]

Quote: Freeman

in the vast majority of the country, in rural areas

If you believe the "wiki", then we have a share of the urban population of 3/4. Including, even if the overwhelming majority of the rural population is deprived of “normal” channels, this does not practically affect the overall picture.

[Freeman]

Avis Today, 11:34
If you believe the "wiki", then we have a share of the urban population of 3/4. Including, even if the overwhelming majority of the rural population is deprived of “normal” channels, this does not practically affect the overall picture.

Look at the composition of the channels of the 1st and 2nd packages of free digital television -

I apologize for offtopic.

[Reviews]

Quote: Freeman

Look at the composition of the channels of the 1st and 2nd packages of free digital television -

Yes, I say - even if the entire rural population is zombified, this will not fundamentally change the picture, because 1/4 << 3/4, and in the city the choice of "what to see" is quite wide. There would be a desire.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: x.andvlad

So on TV we have the main programs about voice and dancing.

Well, not everything is so bad, there is worse. On ren-tv, for example, "Prokopenko experts" roam that geese are migratory. What kind of ex "Perts" these are is not clear, but the blizzard is nobly sweeping. “If there were more advanced civilizations in the Universe, then they would have asphalted our Galaxy a long time ago ...” The candidate of sciences, at your service, said, in all seriousness, believing in the exclusivity of naked demonized monkeys, a cat. they still dare to call themselves rational. An employee of some research institute, about how. However, the opposite has not been proved. Next you need to think. But look cool sometimes.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Fox

although now the adherents of "done with us" will tell us how everything is wonderful with us ... I'm from Samara, if what ...

Apparently, the site is dying, or everything is so bad for us, because even in VO in the economy section there is more news than done, and the latter has more dull agitation, like Time-ahead began to appear ... even new kindergartens already, see end, before at least due to them we traveled

[Karaul73]

Who would have thought! As always, there are some winning reports, but there is no result.

[Genry]

And where are the winning stories?
Link to the studio! Or just have a chat like it?

[Reviews]

Quote: Sentry73

Who would have thought! As always, there are some winning reports, but there is no result.

Do not worry you so, everything will be. In the meantime, gradually wean away from transferring plot moves from pseudo-fiction series to the real world. Only there, in 15 minutes, a teleportator on positron four-dimensional emitters is invented and assembled from improvised trash.
Over the past 15-20 years, not a single major aircraft manufacturer did not take off a single aircraft in time. An example from a PTS niche is the Airbus.400M. Delay, EMNIP, for five years. A company that did not have such periods of total collapse and timelessness as ours.

[FID]

Just in case, the expert you are mine, Embriere KS-390 ....

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

Just in case, the expert you are mine, Embriere KS-390 ....

First, the amateur-you-not-ours, the first flight of the 390th was shifted by a year. It was planned to release the aircraft in series in 2014, and it only had its first flight in 2015.
Secondly, the first flight can be completed on time, but debugging can take a longer time, which is also a kind of delay. The 390th is still being tested.
Thirdly, EMBRAER, with all due respect to this aircraft manufacturer, is not a major player in Western aviation.

[FID]

Quote: Avis

An example from a PTS niche is the Airbus.400M. Delay, EMNIP, for five years. A company that did not have such periods of total collapse and timelessness as ours.

A company that does not have such a story .... Broadcast further. Hooray!

[Reviews]

Quote: SSI

there is no such story ....

What is it?

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Avis

from improvised trash in 15 minutes a teleportator is invented and assembled on positron four-dimensional emitters.

Strongly said, in the hands of such a hold. And we will buy a gravitsappu. If you have a good one, then why not buy it, as one stranger-foreman used to say. Ah, sanctions. Well, we’ll do it ourselves then, but with optimism we never had a problem.

[Reviews]

Quote: iliitch

Strongly said, in the hands of such a hold. And we will buy a gravitsappu. If you have a good one, then why not buy it, as one stranger-foreman used to say. Ah, sanctions. Well, we’ll do it ourselves then, but with optimism we never had a problem.

Is this all for what?

[Banishing liberoids]

Another social network god - Rogozin Twitter soon secret decrees will begin to be published in the instogram

[mitrich]

Who would be surprised ... If in the USSR there was a tendency of "five-year period in four years", now, we will move the term to the right to .. ten years.

[Reviews]

Quote: mitrich

Who would be surprised ... If in the USSR there was a tendency of "five-year period in four years", now, we will move the term to the right to .. ten years.

Alas, in the USSR the terms were shifted. And sometimes the order was not executed at all. And, when executed, the serial product could be brought to mind for another five years. However, it can be found in any country and in any period.

[jeka424]

that’s where the money for ships and planes https://tvzvezda.ru/news Igor Yevtushok, the deputy of the legislative assembly of the Kamchatka Territory from United Russia, earned 1 billion 898 million rubles last year. Spouse Yevtushka for the same period earned almost 78 million rubles. Information on the income and property of deputies and members of their families is published on the official website of the regional parliament.
the second place in total income was the representative of "United Russia" Igor Redkin, he earned 166 million 951 thousand rubles. He owns two houses, six land plots, five executive cars, as well as a Mi-172 helicopter

[zivXP]

Haste is not needed here. The main thing is that everything works out as it should, so that the plane flies well.

[arnar114]

With your approach ..... I wonder how our grandfathers and grandmothers created the Tu-95, Tu-16, IL-28, and much more in 1952-55. (7-10 years after the war). In modern conditions, on the basis of the prototype of an airplane created 25 years ago, modern efficient managers require another 10 years to be put on the conveyor.

[core]

ordinary sabotage.

[Reviews]

Quote: core

ordinary sabotage.

The usual victory of screamers ("effective managers", "real businessmen", "creative modern people", underline as necessary) over techies. Since the 1990s, this curse has been hanging over the whole world and we are no exception.

[drummer]

This has never happened before, and here again!

[Zaurbek]

IL = 112 and 114- Novelty of the product 100% avionics, housing, engine the first completely Russian aircraft ... Leasing schemes, after-sales service is the same in a new way. Do not criticize, praying is necessary for the product to start. after it, the IL-114 will go faster due to the unification of most systems.

[Reviews]

(Highlighted by me)

Quote: Zaurbek

IL-114 will go faster due to unification most systems.

Which ones? SLE, control unit, chassis - definitely not. REO, fuel s-ma, electrics - at best, partially at the level of individual units or the "long list" of units. It's generally funny to talk about airframe assemblies. Well, except that the lights are similar, including, maybe the HCHF will turn out to be unified completely or to a large extent.

[Zaurbek]

Avionics ,. control, sensors. I don’t remember the engines ... but his fuselage is already serial.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Avionics ,. control, sensors. I don’t remember the engines ... but his fuselage is already serial.

Management at the low and high plan cannot be unified at the system level. Only at the level of units and assemblies of these systems: several identical rods, rocking chairs, pressure outputs ... The sensor is also not a system. So, at the level of identical units and assemblies, almost half of the aircraft in our country are unified. Some GA-161 hydraulic unit (EMNIP) is on a dozen Soviet aircraft of all Soviet design bureaus.
The engine is not quite a system, it is a power installation. For most manufacturers, this is generally an option with 2-4 options. With, for example, a hydraulic system, you won’t be so free as this is a glider affiliation.
Mention of the fuselage, I did not understand why.

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, it does not need to be re-created and tested for strength. And about the units to the fact that they are also made from scratch .. The latest generation of Tu-204-214 civilian aircraft. 20 years have passed. At the CJS, everything is imported.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

Moreover, it does not need to be re-created and tested for strength.

The fuselages do not break like wings. And with its hypothetical lengthening, it will have to be recounted. And when making composites in it, too.

And about the units to the fact that they are also made from scratch.

What?

. The latest generation of civilian aircraft Tu-204-214. 20 years have passed.

It was just an example. I showed that if you consider the use of the same units (the same sensors you mentioned) as unification, then almost all aircraft of the same generation can be called unified.

At SSJ, everything is imported.

Not all.
In short, based on what I personally read about the Il-114 and Il-112, the degree of unification they have is much less than half. Let's say 1/3. Well, if we add VMG to the discussion, then maybe half. And, if you do not add screws (most likely, they will be different due to differences in speeds), but limit yourself to engines, then, again, <1/2. And if we want to interest foreigners with these planes, then we will not be able to offer TV-7, we will need to install PW, for example.

[Zaurbek]

I completely agree with you. The fact that modern aircraft should have different power plants, no one argues. And you must admit, if a transport (ramp) aircraft and a passenger have 40% unification, this is already an achievement.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

if the transport (ramp) aircraft and passenger have 40% unification, this is already an achievement.

"If a". My intuitive estimates are no more than 1/3 (the words "<1/2" are said with reservations). Where was the figure "40%" given?
In 40% it would be easy to believe if we were talking about a passenger-cargo pair of the type An-24 / -26, or Short-330, or Tu-204 / -330, or HS-748 / Andover. But not for IL-114 / -112.

[Zaurbek]

my 40% interpolation is your 1/2 and 1/3. I agree with An-24/26, but all modern ramp aircraft have an enlarged fuselage in diameter ... I think the same will be the case when designing a modern medium transport vehicle (figuratively like the MC-21 pair).

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

my 40% interpolation is your 1/2 and 1/3.

Ah ... :) no, such an "arithmetic mean" is incorrect to display here. We are not comparing the strength of vodka and Madeira. :)
All these "degrees of unification" initially carry a lot of guile, stretches and reservations. What are the signs of its output? According to the list of identical units / spare parts / assemblies that are assembled as you like? Well then, you have to include every rivet in the list ...
By systems that are put on any of the aircraft without alterations? Then, unification will not exceed 1 ... 10%.
At the cost of interchangeable units? Well, then between the aircraft on which pt-6 (one modification) or PS-90 stands, unification is about 50%, only because of the interchangeability of engines. Then, for example, IL-62m and IL-76, IL-96 and IL-476 are unified by ~ 50%.

all modern ramp aircraft have a larger fuselage in diameter

Not all. CASA-295 has the same diameter (+/- small bast shoes) as An-24 / -26. However, short-haul paksovozov also become swollen: compare SU-jet and CS with EMB-170 / -190 and ATR, for example.

[Zaurbek]

The idea was, incidentally, the idea of ​​using a single fuselage from the SSZh-100 for turboprop Ilov .... there is a large diameter.

[Zaurbek]

By the way, for military exports, the presence of a fully domestic aircraft is just the way to success .... Given what obstacles Europe and North America create for re-exporting their engines and systems. Turks with Altai are an example for you.

[Reviews]

Zaurbek,

The idea was, incidentally, the idea of ​​using a single fuselage from the SSZh-100 for turboprop Ilov .... there is a large diameter.

I have not heard about this. This is someone's foolishness, PMSM. If "TVD-Ily" is something like the Il-114 class, then the fuselage of the SU-jet is optimized for slightly different conditions - a smaller difference, lower speeds and, perhaps, a larger "flight-to-flight" (FH / FC) ratio.

[Zaurbek]

I read this on the AviaPort forum .... people were chopped on the topic of IL-112 and 114.

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

I read this on the AviaPort forum .... people were chopped on the topic of IL-112 and 114.

Maybe some of the regulars got into a fantasy ...

In our time, the laws of the Third World countries apply the same laws as those for civilian vehicles, including, it is better for them to offer engines that are logistically closer to them. If ATRs fly in the country, then directly to the export IL-114, PW is requested. If there is a lot of Pilatus-12, then it is better to put on the L-410 not GE H-80, but pt-6. The same with the Yak-130 - for its Italian version there is some kind of engine there. It is possible that they can be made interchangeable.

[Zaurbek]

From the point of view of a normal business. And the point of view that this is a civil theater - I agree. Remember the story of an attempt to sell the Tu-204 with the PS-90A to Iran? In general, you need to create equipment with an open architecture ...

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

point of view that this is a civil theater - I agree.

But now there is no purely civil theater. Turbofan engines are purely military / civilian. And then, taking into account the fact that the gas generator can be unified or related, there can be “dual-purpose” engines in the turbojet engine.

[Zaurbek]

In such cases, only the installation of a civil theater and turbojet engine can save an objectionable client. Military exports fall under other laws and are punished differently ..

[Reviews]

Quote: Zaurbek

In such cases, only the installation of a civil theater and turbojet engine can save an objectionable client. Military exports fall under other laws and are punished differently ..

I didn’t understand anything, but let's say. :)

[Music]

Everything is as usual! Well, if by December 29 ...