Is Port Arthur a Victory or a Defeat?

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At the end of the 19 century, the Russian Empire directed its expansion into the Primorsky Territories of the Far East. Weakened China could not withstand the persistent influence of the Russians to the northeastern lands, and the empire quickly established its control over the still disputed expanses of Primorye. Japan remained the only worthy and dangerous adversary. Back in 1855, according to the Shimodo treatise, all Kuril Islands came into the possession of Russia, and Sakhalin territory was recognized as common, but in 1875, the 18 islands from the archipelago had to be transferred in exchange for full ownership of Sakhalin.



Successes in the development of the Far East made it necessary to have a military contingent in this part of the country; by 1885, its number here was no more than 18 thousand. In order to make the region accessible for the rapid transfer of reinforcements, the imperial authorities began active construction of a railway bed in the region. Already in 1891, the construction of the famous Trans-Siberian Railway was launched. Vladivostok was founded as early as 1860, and since 1899, a program has been launched to create a military naval base in Port Arthur. The empire was primarily interested in the development of trade in the region, which was planned to be carried out through non-freezing ports. Russia's presence in the territories claimed by Japan caused sharp contradictions in foreign relations with the latter.

In general, Japanese policy since the Meiji Restoration has been quite aggressive. She established control over Korea, and also occupied the territory of China. The economic and technological breakthrough, sponsored mostly by the forces of Great Britain and the United States, made it a rather powerful military power. Interestingly, in 1902, an allied agreement was signed between the British government and the Japanese authorities, which obliged Britain to provide military support in the event of war with Japan with two or more states at the same time. The existence of this treaty leads to reflections on the role of Montenegro, which declared war on Japan since the start of hostilities in the Far East. It should be noted that this country did not render substantial assistance to Russia in opposition, in contrast to Great Britain, which actively supplied the Japanese armies with the latest weapons. Referring to this circumstance, modern researchers conclude that the decision to declare war on the part of Montenegro was made with the active assistance of England. Speaking openly, the Russian Empire was at war with a coalition that, in addition to Japan, also included Great Britain and the United States. Both countries can solve their political tasks with the blood of soldiers from third countries.

In Soviet textbooks, the Russo-Japanese war is presented as a shameful defeat of rotten imperialism. However, very dubious facts and evidence are cited as evidence of the defeat, and under certain circumstances the so-called crushing defeat of Russia does not agree at all. Especially many questions are caused by the surrender of the Port Arthur military naval base by General Anatoly Mikhailovich Stessel, who was subsequently declared a coward and a traitor. It should be noted that Soviet historians had a biased attitude toward everything that concerned tsarism and its actions.

At the end of July, the Japanese armies were on the outskirts of the sea fortress, in which there were about 50-ti thousand people of military men and sailors. At the head of the defense was General Stoessel, who was ordered to leave the fortress from Kuropatkin. However, Stoessel requested permission to remain and defend Port Arthur. And here is the first circumstance inexplicable by the official theory: a coward and a traitor himself volunteered to defend the fortress from the army, which was significantly superior in numbers to the forces he commanded. Subsequently, in court, a loud accusation against Anatoly Mikhailovich will fall apart and only three formulations will remain of him. He will be accused of inaction regarding the activities of the Lieutenant-General by the name of Fock, a minor breach of duty and surrender of the fortress without sufficient reason. Moreover, the verdict does not mention the cowardice and betrayal, moreover, the court asks the court for his pardon for the convict. Against the background of Kuropatkin's order to surrender the fortress without a fight, as well as other evidence of the complete exhaustion of the forces of the defenders, the sentence looks, to put it mildly, absurd and unfair.

Is Port Arthur a Victory or a Defeat? Particularly incomprehensible on the background of loud statements about the disgraceful surrender of Port Arthur looks like the rite of seppuku Legs Maresuke. The army commander of the winners, assessing the results of the siege of the fortress, immediately wanted to make himself a hara-kiri, as evidenced by numerous sources. Naturally, there is a desire to ask the accusers of the “rotten tsarism” about the grounds for such an intention. And even after the ban on the rite against the Females from the royal monarch, the gallant victory, as she is called, nevertheless became a pretext for the suicide of the Feet after the death of the emperor. The answer is very simple: the capture of Port Arthur is not a victory at all. It is rather the defeat of the Japanese army under the incompetent command of Marasuke.

Feet calculation was on instant grab the fortress in the first assault. However, it was not possible to break the resistance of the Russian soldiers. Throughout the day, the Japanese fired at Port-Arthur on the front lines and only at the end of the day decided to attack. As a result of the bloody battle, the Russians abandoned the advanced fortifications and took refuge in the fortress itself. Despite the fact that the Japanese have achieved some success and occupied the redoubts Xiaogushan and Dagushan, luck cannot be called the outcome of the first day. The losses were too significant and according to the Japanese side, which raise serious doubts about the reliability, were about 1200-1300 people.

On the very first day, Maresuuke should have thought about the advisability of further attempts to take Port Arthur. The number of the Japanese army was melting before our eyes, the mobilization potential and economic power could suffice only for a year of such battles. At the time of the storming of the fortress, reinforcement was required by other parts of the Japanese army in more important positions. However, Legs stubbornly stood his ground and attempted a first assault, as a result of which the Japanese suffered enormous losses. Almost half of the army of the besiegers was destroyed. The siege took a protracted nature, which was Marasuke’s unforgivable mistake. Instead of refusing further attempts, detrimental to the Japanese themselves, the commander demanded reinforcement and sent the remaining soldiers to certain death. An attempt by the Japanese commander to repeat the events of the war of Prussia and France connected with the capture of Sedan failed miserably.

The second assault, repeated a month later, took about 6-ti thousand Japanese and did not give significant results. The fortress heroically kept. The third assault was undertaken on September 18, but again did not bring a long-awaited victory. It must be said that the Russians lost far fewer soldiers than the Japanese, but were under siege conditions. Food was almost over, there was not enough medicine and ammunition, people died under enemy fire, in battle, as well as from the spread of scurvy. New losses did not stop Legs, and the siege continued. At this time, battles were fought at Shahe, where the Marasuke army could provide great support. The fourth assault lasted from 13 to November 22, but in the end the Japanese only managed to occupy the strategically important High Mountain. This, in fact, was the key to Port Arthur, since here the attackers could coordinate the strikes of their artillery.

However, the surrender of the fortress occurred only on December 20 after Stossel held the military council. If you refer to the protocol, you can understand how difficult the position of the besieged was. From forty thousand combat-ready soldiers, according to various estimates of the officers, there remained from 10 to 12 –t thousands of half-starved and exhausted fighters. Where did the figure of thousands of prisoners in 23 come from in the reports of the Japanese and the materials of the court? It's simple. First, in addition to the 10 of thousands of soldiers and officers, there were at least 10 of thousands of wounded and sick in the fortress, who surrendered along with their brothers arms. Secondly, the data of the Japanese are very unreliable, since their reports too often “sin” by understating victims on their part and overestimation for the enemy. Falsification was present in the war with the Chinese.



Is it possible to call the surrender of Port Arthur through 329 days of siege and fierce fighting as a defeat of the Russian forces and betrayal by Stoessel? The answer is simple - no! The general made the only right decision, since he was well aware that the fifth assault would be the last for the fortress, and the Japanese, who had so long achieved victory, were merciless. The man, subsequently branded as a traitor and a coward, was able to take responsibility for the surrender of Port Arthur for the sake of preserving the lives of his soldiers, each of whom is worthy to carry the title of hero.

The Russian-Japanese war, a historically important moment, which was presented to us as a shameful defeat of tsarism, turns out to be completely different and deserves attention and discussion in society. This is another attempt to discredit Russia in the eyes of its descendants, which must be stopped.
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  1. +5
    16 February 2012 07: 57
    The author read Stepanov "Port Arthur" 1948. editions?
    1. beech
      +2
      16 February 2012 15: 30
      the same question, in that novel it is clearly shown why the fortress was held - on the heroism of the soldiers and junior officers and on R.I. Kondratenko, and not on the stylus !!!
      1. dobry-ork
        +2
        17 February 2012 00: 28
        The article has repeatedly said that under the Soviet regime they tried to denigrate everything from the tsarist government, including all officers
    2. +1
      16 February 2012 20: 16
      By the way, it would be nice to read "Tsushima" by Novikov-Pryboy. Not a bad book, too.
    3. +2
      16 February 2012 20: 33
      I have a book in 1965, and it was printed in Uzbekistan, bought in Dagestan, and was in the KBR in the town of Prokhladny (the former Terskaya village). Now in the Murmansk region.
    4. +2
      17 February 2012 13: 41
      Fiction does not and should not pretend to be fully historical authenticity. Otherwise, it will go to the point of absurdity, when knowledge of history will be formed on the basis of conjuncture and fantasy of individual authors, and not on serious research. I do not want to say anything at all against the novel of A.N. Stepanova. Great book. But this is NOT a historical study. This is the view of the author. AND ARTISTIC presentation of events. Even if we take on faith the personal involvement of the 12-year-old author of the novel in those events, it is unlikely that his assessment of strategic command should be 100% trusted. This article is a good complement to the history of famous events and once again shows the dirt and idle talk of liberal stories about the mediocrity and venality of Russian commanders. Only skillful command on the one hand and the general heroism of the defenders on the other hand allowed the Russians to fight this way and hold the fortress for almost five months.
      Again and again I am convinced of the great military history and powerful military traditions of Russia.
  2. grizzlir
    +4
    16 February 2012 08: 08
    I had to read a lot about the Russo-Japanese War, and in particular about the defense of Port Arthur. Almost all historians agree that the fortress was surrendered as a result of the betrayal of a group of officers. Now it’s difficult to judge those times, we’ll deal with events that are closer to us We can’t. But judging by the data that were given at the beginning of the last century, it was precisely in Tsarist time that they considered the surrender of Port Arthur Stessel to be a betrayal.
  3. +7
    16 February 2012 09: 52
    According to other sources, Port Arthur could defend for another three months, but the Japanese army was not ready to conduct a siege for so long. And what data is reliable? According to domestic researchers, the Japanese laid 120 thousand people under Port Arthur, and did not achieve significant success. Their army was exhausted and demoralized, but the Russian garrison still had at its disposal enough provisions and ammunition. The only advantage the samurai had was heavy artillery, when their ships could fire at Port Arthur.
    And for the most part, all the victories of the Japanese in that war were not so much due to their superiority in military affairs, but rather to the mistakes and miscalculations of a number of tsarist military leaders - this is how the battles of Wafangou, Liaoyang and Mukden were "merged".
    Yes, and it is worth noting that even after the defeat of the Russian fleet near Tsushima, Japan needed the world no less than Russia. Its financial system was completely exhausted and rested only on external loans - English and American money.
  4. -1
    16 February 2012 09: 54
    Defeat of the Tsarist regime and its stooges. (And people, as usual, paid with blood)
    1. +1
      17 February 2012 14: 01
      Tell us more about the "henchmen", plz. Who are they? Russian generals and officers? You have to understand that they were not people, right? Drank the blood of ordinary soldiers? And those, in spite of the command, fought, held on and won? Hmm ... interesting vision ..
  5. -3
    16 February 2012 09: 58
    I am amazed ... how it comes to the Russian-Japanese war, almost everyone thinks that the Japanese won by chance ... (for example Prometey ).
    Yes, the Japanese victory was not easy but it is a pure victory at sea and on land.
    And these are not only miscalculations of command, but our sailors fought worse !!! (worse the gunners fired, and so on .. further) and on land ours also did not shine ... (you can give a bunch of examples of heroism but the result is on the face DEFEAT!!!! And do not FIG write nonsense about the fact that we almost won
    1. +12
      16 February 2012 11: 06
      I reread my comment and found nothing about the accidental victory of the Japanese. Although, if we talk about military luck, it was not on the side of the Russians. And I did not write that we almost won. It's just that even after Tsushima, Russia could theoretically continue to wage war, but already without such global plans as the landing of troops on the Japanese islands. And ours did not fight worse - the Japanese fought better. And if the Russian sailors were so worthless, explain why then the Japanese fleet, having an advantage over the Russian fleet, before the death of Admiral Makarov, did not dare to undertake a landing operation and the transfer of troops by sea to Port Arthur? Why, in the battle at Chemulpo, the Japanese, having a triple superiority, could not destroy the Varyag. It was already sunk by our sailors, and the Japanese battleship Asama for half a year after that could not go to sea. Our sailors were not to blame for the fact that semi-defective shells with pyroxylin did not explode when hitting Japanese ships, although under Tsushima the flagship of Togo received about 100 shells from "worthless" Russian gunners.
      Yes, it was a victory for the Japanese, but not because of the superiority of the samurai spirit, but as a result of more competent actions by the Japanese army and, to some extent, due to the insignificant technical superiority of Japan.
      1. +2
        16 February 2012 13: 53
        I want to add that our sailors under Tsushima used shells with detonators with great slowdown, which even did not explode when piercing both sides. And after tsushima, the Japanese did not give anyone the opportunity to inspect their damaged corabi. Our trouble, in my opinion, was our homeland very huge .And there was only one railway and it was difficult to transfer troops to the east. But it was necessary to do this in advance. It was already clear that there was no conflict to avoid.



        ymNIK1970 Today, 07:57 a new
        3 The author read Stepanov "Port Arthur" 1948. editions?


        And the clever man can answer that "Port Arthur" is a fiction book and the author wrote his own vision of events. Yes, there were miscalculations and betrayal, and the military, and most importantly the General Staff. For some reason, they did not pay attention to this.
    2. Brother Sarych
      +4
      16 February 2012 17: 12
      The defeat in the Russian-Japanese war is far from accidental - one must prepare for war, and it was very bad with that ...
      Yes. the Japanese didn’t even get to Baikal, they drove their economy, but they solved their main task - Russia lost its fleet and was locked up for a long time on the shore, had to part with the dream of Zheltorossiya, and the losses had to be calculated for a very long time ...
    3. +1
      16 February 2012 20: 28
      Pure victory - the enemy on the shoulder blades, knocks on the tatami, there was not a single soldier, cartridge, ship.
      Pure victory - the signing of an act of unconditional surrender.
      Surrender with the abandonment of banners is not pure.
      Victory, yes. But with reservations.
      ".. And don’t write nonsense about how we almost won ..." ... almost lost?
      1. 0
        18 February 2012 12: 55
        the loss of half of Sakhalin ... the destruction of 2 fleets .... the loss of the largest non-freezing Port .. we were thrown out of China ......... we lost to the net ...... and Japan, despite the huge sacrifices and won the costs for this country and returned the economic losses with a profit.
        We lost do not hell redo the story on the forums
        1. 0
          18 February 2012 14: 23
          in all this business, the Rothschilds and the other Walt Street won the most, and the Anglo-Sooks
        2. 0
          8 October 2012 17: 07
          rumpeljschtizhen,
          Nobody threw us out of China. Northern China remained in the Russian sphere. Japan more or less got its way only to the WWI, and recovered already during it, on military supplies.
    4. 0
      18 February 2012 11: 56
      I watch 7 people don’t know the history and think that Russia won the Russian-Japanese
  6. +9
    16 February 2012 10: 37
    I would say that for the Japanese it is a "Pyrrhic victory". And for us, the defeat from which the country drew conclusions, did a lot and did not manage much. And we did not lose on the net (if you lose on the net then you lose a lot, if not all). In addition, we lost not only to the Japanese, but to the world behind the scenes by the hands of the Japanese.
    1. +5
      16 February 2012 11: 07
      I fully support.
    2. -2
      16 February 2012 13: 58
      Yes, under Port Arthur, they screwed up.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +2
        16 February 2012 17: 16
        But in the end did they take it? And then did our ships sell to us? And Arisaka rifles?
        and the Japanese were very respectful of the Russians as opponents - then there was almost a "gentlemen's war", almost ...
      2. gavrila
        +1
        17 February 2012 00: 59
        there wouldn’t be a Port Arthur catastrophe there wouldn’t be a Tsushima disaster, a squadron based in PA, could help distract the enemy from operations against the BE, but this did not happen. All that was needed was a power demonstration off the coast of Japan, thereby delaying part of the Japanese fleet and helping BE. But unfortunately, by then PAE ceased to exist.
    3. Brother Sarych
      +2
      16 February 2012 17: 13
      Some conclusions were drawn, but not all - otherwise in the next war they didn’t get quite noticeable on the forehead ...
      1. zombies
        -1
        16 February 2012 20: 12
        In the next war we got a knife in the back
  7. Strabo
    +1
    16 February 2012 13: 57
    The official story, the story of lies and injustice. The communists who took power through a military coup began to hastily redraw historical facts. Stating that everything that was under tsarism was bad. That's why for 75 years they drove into the head that Russia lost the war with Japan. The facts say the opposite. Take at least the loss ratio a handful of Russian soldiers destroyed half of the Japanese army. In Port Arthur. several Russian ships battered the Japanese fleet. And this despite the fact that Japan received assistance from large and developed countries in England and the United States. There can be no talk of any defeat.
    1. beech
      0
      16 February 2012 15: 35
      I agree on one thing, that we had a chance to win officially, we had to wait and the Japanese themselves would give up, otherwise I disagree with Strabo fundamentally
    2. Brother Sarych
      +4
      16 February 2012 17: 18
      Not such a handful, and which took up defense on long-term fortifications, and the fleet almost completely destroyed ours, and not the Japanese ...
      Despite the massive heroism of our sailors ...
    3. +2
      17 February 2012 14: 18
      And I will support you. The "unambiguousness" of the perception of those events is an echo of the intensification and intensification of the liberalistic war against Russia, which was waged at that time "on all fronts" (and even now, as you can see, it continues actively). And it was not the Russo-Japanese war that was the reason for the "revolution of 1905," but quite the opposite. Propaganda of defeatism, slander against the support of power - the officer corps and its decomposition by this propaganda. After 1905, this liberal gang received not a bad experience, which, almost one to one, used in the year 1917. Well, since they, initially, received power in Russia, the heroic history of the Russian army had already been rewritten and twisted according to their ideas.
  8. 755962
    +6
    16 February 2012 14: 09
    The feat of "Varyag" and "Koreyets" is a vivid example of the courage of Russian sailors who did not surrender their ships to the enemy, they knew what duty and oath were. ... History loves to take cruel revenge on all those who forget history! Thirty-seven years later, on December 7, 1941, the Japanese smashed to pieces the most powerful US squadron in the harbors of Pearl Harbor, successfully repeating the experience they learned from the war with China, from the mine attacks of the talented admiral Togo on the Russian squadron in Port Arthur . "Remember the war!" S.O. Makarov's behest is as relevant as ever!
    1. +5
      16 February 2012 20: 36
      I would like to add that there was such a cruiser "Rurik", which belonged to the Vladivostok group of cruisers. Three cruisers of the detachment went to the site of the Tsushima battle to join the main squadron, but the Japanese squadron cut them off from Tsushima. The detachment did not wait for the breakthrough of the Russian squadron and turned back. During the retreat to Vladivostok, the detachment of cruisers was repeatedly attacked by the Japanese and "Rurik" was not lucky, tk. he was the slowest in the unit. As a result, during an almost continuous battle on August 1, 1904, and despite the support of two other cruisers, the destroyed cruiser was sunk. Some of the crew were picked up by other cruisers, who told how this battle went all day. In terms of intensity and heroism, this battle was not inferior to the battle of the "Varyag", but in Russia it did not receive the response that was in relation to the "Varyag". The revolution began and it was not up to that, and part of the crew of "Rurik" captured by the Japanese returned home very quietly. And, unfortunately, everyone forgot about this fight.
      1. +4
        16 February 2012 23: 04
        Quote: valerei
        there was such a cruiser "Rurik"

        and the destroyer "Guarding", he is not forgotten, at Petropavlovka one of the most beautiful monuments of St. Petersburg was erected to him
        although they wanted to be forgotten, at school they were forced to read Lenin's garbage "about the national pride of the Great Russians" (???) where he wished the defeat of Russia in the Russian-Japanese war
        orange mold has deep roots
  9. Charon
    +5
    16 February 2012 15: 40
    The Russo-Japanese War is too extensive a topic to discuss here. Maximum historical information and statistics.
    For details, you need to go to specialized forums entirely devoted to the REE. Or at least write an article, taking into account discussions in these forums with really knowledgeable people.
  10. -1
    16 February 2012 16: 23
    Feet generally asked the emperor to commit hara-kiri for the losses near Port Arthur. By the way, I saw a Japanese film about Port Arthur. They paint us there normally, except that we are killing them wounded. And that they fought not badly and equipped positions. And only their heroism and self-sacrifice ... So they do not evaluate this war as an easy one. Our elite has decomposed by this time and the king is weak. And the people had no interests in Korea and China. If this money that was invested in Dalniy and Port Arthur would be invested in Vladivostok. That's what I regret very much. And so the usual capitalist war. It’s all because of the Korean forest and who should sell it to us or the Japanese.
    1. Charon
      +1
      16 February 2012 23: 51
      It was unprofitable to invest in Vladivostok then. It freezes in the winter.
      Therefore, Port Arthur was needed. Climate, no politics.
  11. zombies
    +2
    16 February 2012 17: 01
    As a person who is fond of the military history of Russia, I can say that there is very little reliable information on the Russo-Japanese war, little literature, documents, although the topic is really extensive and interesting.
    Unfortunately, most of the information, not to mention what is usually written in textbooks, manuals, etc., is based on cliches and myths, and often has nothing to do with reality.
    Often RYAV is portrayed as "shamefully lost", this is strange to say the least, the Japanese had more losses, and they asked for peace, and not the "weak" tsar. maybe a recent typical example is the first Chechen war and a really "shameful" loss to a handful of bandits, and in a roar they fought with a country of 40 million people, and the Americans in World War II already felt well what the Japanese military spirit was.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +3
      16 February 2012 17: 20
      In principle, even on the Internet there are a lot of very interesting materials. there are people who are actively interested and interested in these issues, so if you want you can find a lot of things ...
  12. +1
    16 February 2012 17: 20
    respected Prometey answered you for me Brother Sarych.
    By the way, I also did not write that the Japanese easily won .. this was their first major war with a huge empire. (how many years before that they had not seriously fought with an external enemy for years?) ............ And they won, hard but won, and I think this is their clear victory ......... and after a fight they don’t wave their fists
    1. serge
      +3
      16 February 2012 19: 26
      But in 1945, the empire struck back. And the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire. They didn’t even fight Japan, they gave her a kick.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +2
        16 February 2012 19: 31
        Until the age of 45, there were 18-24 years old, battles near Lake Khasan, Khalkhin-Gol - you should not forget about this either ...
        And in 1945, too, it was far from an easy walk - take an interest in memoirs, since there is practically no one to ask live ...
        1. serge
          +3
          17 February 2012 00: 47
          The retaliatory strike was precisely in 1945 - the return of Russian territory occupied in 1905.
          About the hard walk. Of course, not a walk, but:
          "The main hostilities on the continent lasted 12 days, until August 20. However, individual clashes continued until September 10, which became the day of the end of the complete surrender and capture of the Kwantung Army. As a result, the million-strong Kwantung Army was completely defeated. According to Soviet data, its casualties amounted to 84 thousand people, about 600 thousand were taken prisoner. Irrecoverable losses of the Red Army amounted to 12 thousand people. " (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-Japanese_war). With all due respect to the memory of the fallen, this two-week war in terms of difficulty for the USSR is incomparable even with the Finnish one, where our losses were almost eight (!) Times higher.
          And the song about tankers sounds good now, not only in 1938 - 1945.
          1. Brother Sarych
            0
            17 February 2012 10: 36
            In order to appreciate those difficulties, one had to be there!
            This is not comparable with the Finnish for one simple reason - there was already a completely different army and actually a different country ...
            My grandfather was there after Koenigsberg - and he never spoke of lightness ...
      2. +1
        16 February 2012 23: 06
        Quote: serge
        And the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire

        it's about Khalkhin Gol, 1945 was, as it were, later
  13. -2
    16 February 2012 18: 40
    I do not agree about the betrayal! Val Nebogatova, after all, was also acquitted
    1. Brother Sarych
      +3
      16 February 2012 19: 05
      But did Stessel be condemned? Then they seemed to have mercy ...
      And what could Nebogatov do in his position? Just to die? So what?
      1. +2
        16 February 2012 23: 08
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        And what could Nebogatov do in his position?

        maybe not turn in ships, but open kingstones?
        according to the Charter
  14. AlexMH
    +2
    16 February 2012 23: 21
    Stessel really was a worthless military leader, in fact, in Stepanov’s novel, it’s not described some official version of events, but his own observations, because Stepanov was in Arthur during the siege. The fortress could hold out for another month with stubborn defense, but the Japanese ran out of reserves, and if the army from Arthur had not been thrown to the north, the outcome of the war would have been a draw (if the Japanese had been defeated in the end in Manchuria). In general, the Russo-Japanese war, no matter how stereotyped it may sound, really showed the rottenness of the tsarist regime, which was unable to provide firm leadership of the war, nor mobilize the country's resources, nor nominate sensible military leaders, nor suppress dissatisfaction within the country. The incompetence and indecision, even the cowardice of the highest command staff of the Russian army (with rare exceptions - Kondratenko, Makarov) became obvious to everyone.
    1. 0
      17 February 2012 14: 29
      Stepanov was 12 years old at the time. However, information has already been announced. that neither Stepanov nor his father had ever been to Port Arthur. A lot of things have been wrapped around those events. Today, their mention no longer carries the character of historical research, but is aimed at shaping the mood of our people, at correcting historical memory. They say - everyone says that Russia lost in the RYA because of the mediocrity of the command, rampant corruption and the weakness of the supreme power. They say it is the same now. They say they have not learned anything and they will all kill us. Like, before it's too late - you need to surrender. Fortunately, no one remembers those events, historical information is doubtful, and there are very few documents. The field for lies, falsifications and the promotion of "liberal values" is enormous. IMHO - it is not worth it. you need to sort it out without unnecessary emotions and with the sole purpose of proving once again to yourself and others that we have a Great History and Great Ancestors. No matter what different rats say. I think so.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +1
        17 February 2012 20: 34
        If they hadn’t taken Port Arthur, if they had melted Togo’s fleet, threw the Japanese armies into the sea, then they would have said that the command was magnificent, the technique was first-class, and tsarism was as strong as ever in history!
        But there was none of this! And about the Russo-Japanese war, it’s written above the roof, and with the current development of the Internet it’s not difficult to find all kinds of information - moreover, the memories of a very different audience, and not at all at snotty age, like the aforementioned Stepanov. which in general, as it turned out, is a rather complicated character!
  15. Vitmir
    +2
    17 February 2012 20: 24
    What alternative story is being promoted here? The loss of Port Arthur is an unambiguously heavy defeat, the loss of the only ice-free GVMB led to the death of the Pacific Fleet and the lost war, with territorial concessions and the shaken supreme Russian government, Stessel sharply and deservedly criticized, like Kuropatkin. Tomorrow will you say that Sevastopol was not taken either to Crimean, to World War I, or to the Second World War, and the fleet did not die three times in its bays?
  16. +2
    18 February 2012 11: 55
    Vitmir +1000
    here I look at all with a bang patriotism from defeat they want to make a victory .......... cheap populism
    Not wanting to admit their mistakes is .. for good in the future will not lead
  17. Georg Shep
    +1
    26 February 2012 12: 07
    Port Arthur is the glory of Russian courage and heroism. Just like Sevastopol.
  18. Oles
    -1
    8 November 2012 15: 25
    the tragedy of Russia .... what else to say ..... disgrace ... everyone was good there .... and Kuropatkin and Stessel ... everything was sifted ..... however the 20th century .. this is the century of our defeats. ... Almost...
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    7 March 2016 01: 32
    A cheap article from the category-oh, what a good person they slandered. Even without touching on the results of the RJW (and they are not in our favor in any way!), Does the author know such a thing as the personal responsibility of a military leader? And what did the then charters say? concerns Nebogatov too ... And now on cheap liberal populism from defeat they want to bungle victory. belay