Su-27 - one of the best combat aircraft in the world. Part of 4. In service today

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To carry out further developments of the modern military aviation equipment required significant funding. To this end, Su family fighters were offered for sale. The main buyers were China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia. Great interest in aircraft such as the Su-30MK has been shown by Thailand.

Su-27 - one of the best combat aircraft in the world. Part of 4. In service today


The Su-30 series, based on the Su-27, is designed for long flights. Su-30 aircraft are capable of conducting air combat both in a group and alone. Su-30 is effective when used as a command post. It is equipped with the latest satellite communications system and navigation system. The equipment installed on it makes it possible to control the air situation during the battle. The Su-30 is armed with a 30-mm cannon and discharged weapons weighing about 8 tons. This combat aircraft is also capable of carrying different types of missiles.



The Sukhoi OKB has a multipurpose fourth-generation fighter-bomber Su-37 developed by designers. This aircraft is able to strike at ground targets regardless of the time of day, as well as to conduct air combat on the distant approaches to the borders of the state. It can also be used as an interceptor for reconnaissance flights. Su-37 has the latest weapons and electronic equipment. It has an increased level of vitality. He is able to act near the ground, which reduces the likelihood of his detection by the enemy’s technical means.



Another aircraft of the Su-Su-30MKI family. Its main purpose is a long-range interceptor and command aircraft for group operations. It has a system of refueling in the air. It has a unique maneuverability and good take-off and landing capabilities. There are no flight restrictions on the angle of attack. Engines with asymmetrically deflected nozzles, which allows you to adjust the direction of the thrust vector. It has the latest onboard electronic equipment. The aircraft was developed by request of a foreign buyer.

The pride of Russia are its aerobatic teams. The group "Russian Vityazi" is part of the display center of aircraft them. N.N. Kozhedub is the only unit in the world that performs group aerobatics on heavy fighters. Aerobatic team "Rus" was formed on the basis of the Vyazma Aviation Club in 1987 year. The flights of the Strizhi aerobatic team are distinguished by the execution of a large number of complex figures performed on combat vehicles of the Su family.



But the development of aviation technology continues. Experts believe that the Su-35 fighter developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau is a fundamentally new combat aircraft. It has modern onboard equipment, a radar station of a new generation. It has the possibility of long-range target detection and the ability to fire simultaneously more than three dozen targets. It has the most powerful thrust vectoring engines installed. Su-35 equipped with modern weapons.



The first flight of the PAK FA took place on 29 on January 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The T-50 multipurpose fighter meets all possible requirements: it is easy to control, cheap to manufacture and maintain, quickly gains supersonic speed without the use of afterburner, has excellent maneuverability (even at high overloads), it has the best electronic equipment installed, it is hardly noticeable for technical means of the enemy.

For all the years of work and development of the newest models of military aviation technology, the specialists of the Sukhoi design bureau have managed not only to transfer to the armament of the army excellent combat aircraft, but also to retain qualified engineering and personnel, as well as to modernize the entire production.
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  1. SIA
    SIA
    +10
    13 February 2012 07: 43
    Fly bigger! Peace to you heaven!
    1. +5
      13 February 2012 08: 12
      GO TO NEW ACHIEVEMENTS AND VICTORIES !!! fellow
  2. +5
    13 February 2012 07: 54
    All these are wonderful cars.
    But how many are coming into service?
  3. 0
    13 February 2012 08: 23
    And on the T-50 weapons are planned inside the compartment? Or on external suspensions too?
    1. Polite Sniper
      -6
      13 February 2012 10: 11
      According to the gene. the T-50 designer will receive a 5th generation engine and a new avionics not earlier than 2017.
      Let me remind you that the F-22 was put into service in 2001. Where a developed country has mastered the production of 5th generation aircraft, after 20 years, the rumbled whore Rashka crawls.
      1. 0
        13 February 2012 12: 01
        Envy is a vice, although this is not clear to the general people! An animal, it is an animal !!!
    2. +1
      13 February 2012 11: 33
      2 large and 2 small internal compartments, external suspension is also possible
      1. 0
        13 February 2012 15: 39
        Author!

        The first flight of the T-50 made on January 29, 2010
  4. drossel81
    0
    13 February 2012 08: 58
    Piece of art!!!!!!!
    1. Uralm
      0
      14 February 2012 22: 06
      I liked the movie! Class! thank
  5. st.moss
    0
    13 February 2012 09: 20
    I read an article such as drank 100 grams, prettier
    1. Polite Sniper
      -5
      13 February 2012 10: 04
      The Su-27, by definition, cannot be the "best fighter".
      The Su-27 NEVER participated in real battles, unlike its peer F-15 Eagle, which accounted for 300 aircraft destroyed.

      The only ones who use the Su-27 are the amusingly ostentatious "Russian Knights". So the only thing left for patriots is Putinka to jam from offense
      1. L. konstantin
        0
        13 February 2012 10: 14
        sou 27 THE BEST PLANE IN THE WORLD! (PLANER, AERODYNAMICS AND, T, D) he has already gone down in history. look at how many modernization opportunities on the basis of su 27. he participated in the emission of battles. participated in shows and won! answer me F 15. which planes destroyed?) 300) first things to do probably sous 17 instant 21) the first instant 29.
        1. Polite Sniper
          -4
          13 February 2012 10: 49
          Quote: L. Konstantin
          sou 27 THE BEST PLANE IN THE WORLD! (PLANER, AERODYNAMICS I, T, D)

          The key phrase is "ETC." Su-27 loses to F-15 in engines, avionics and armament


          Quote: L. Konstantin
          see how many modernization options based on su 27

          See how many upgrade options F-15

          Quote: L. Konstantin
          He participated in the issuance of battles. participated in shows and won!

          The difference between real combat and emulation is the same as between a real woman and masturbation


          Quote: L. Konstantin
          answer me F 15. which planes destroyed?) 300) first things to do probably sous 17 instant 21) the first instant 29.

          MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-25, Mirage F1, Su-17, MiG-29. Without a single loss from their side.
          I repeat once again, the Su-27 never participated in air battles, so it is not known what it will actually be
          1. L. konstantin
            +2
            13 February 2012 11: 18
            1. This is not true.
            2. This is not an answer.
            3.modernized already f 15 against the export first moment of 21, etc. this is not a fight. and hunting.
            1. L. konstantin
              0
              13 February 2012 11: 20
              I watched how in Vietnam for a moment 21 chopped down phantoms and f4. that was enough for me!
              1. Argentum
                +2
                13 February 2012 15: 10
                L. konstantin does not agree that the SU-27 is the best aircraft in the world. You see, there is no better plane in the world, nor a better tank or rifle. Each has its own pros and cons. And drying, like the MiG-29, along with the F-15 and F-16, is the best aircraft of the 4th generation.
          2. +1
            13 February 2012 12: 04
            Blah, blah, blah .............., especially smiled about the MIG-25, a polite reference ?????
        2. beech
          0
          13 February 2012 15: 52
          he was the best in the world for a long time, but the loss on its basis can create a bunch of the best in the world)))
      2. AlexPrice-Voronezh
        +1
        13 February 2012 11: 05
        about the air battles ...
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4XPVvMm4j4
        su-27 did F-15
      3. 0
        13 February 2012 11: 56
        Ethiopian Air Force Su-27s shot down at least 3 MiG-29 Eritrea in 1999. So do not write that he did not participate in the battles. And if the Indians did the F-15 with a GREAT account in training battles, then what would hinder others from making it real?
        1. VAF
          VAF
          -2
          13 February 2012 14: 53
          Just the other way around! We, it seems, on the side of the Eritreans poked out ?!
          1. +1
            13 February 2012 15: 24
            Ethiopia Su - 27 was sold by Russia, and Eritrians bought MiGs in Belarus. In addition to training and technical support, no one spoke especially for Africans.
  6. GRU Special Forces
    0
    13 February 2012 09: 26
    Air Force MILITARY FORCES good Air Force MILITARY AIR FORCES ORDER FULFILLED ALL ORDER GOING HOME Air Force MILITARY AIR FORCES good drinks
  7. welder
    -3
    13 February 2012 11: 05
    our planes are the best, it is indisputable !!! there were real (combat) exercises between the f-15 versus the su-27 in our favor and were simulated by a computer, also in our favor !!! then the battles between the su-35 and f-16 and there it turned out that our su35 has a complete advantage over five f-16s !!! then many American military men had epaulettes, they even fired one. But that’s not the point, we have few pilots who can really fight in the sky, because there are few hours flown !!! and an ordinary military pilot who hasn’t scored a clock is forbidden to do even a barrel !!! well, they don’t let our pilots fly often
    1. Argentum
      -2
      13 February 2012 20: 35
      What the ? What is the battle between the SU-35 and F-16? Do not know do not write. SU-35 generation 4 +++ aircraft, that is, can compete with 5 generation aircraft, but the F-16 4 generation aircraft. Maybe you confuse the battle between the SU-37 and the F-22? Then our plane won in battles (virtual).
  8. serg792002
    -2
    13 February 2012 11: 48
    Do not feed the mistress. Hollow inadequate.
  9. 0
    13 February 2012 12: 26
    the plane is good, the designers are great, which cannot be said about officials (including the army). all these 30/35/37 - how many of them were purchased for the Russian Air Force? the effectiveness of equipment can only be with massive use in battle. and we are all "we save" - ​​we buy one and shout "we have the best". the best, but one ... all the Hindus-Papuans of these planes have an order of magnitude more than in our units! I would like to hear something intelligible from Medvedev / Putin and Stouretkin about the structure of the Air Force.
  10. welder
    0
    13 February 2012 12: 44
    That's it !!! And they called me a proverbial ???
    1. serg792002
      0
      13 February 2012 16: 47
      My apologies.
  11. 916-th
    +1
    13 February 2012 12: 49
    The aircraft of the Su-27 family are really good. But from the article I did not learn anything new about them. General advertising description. As for the Su-37, and generally the information from 10 years ago, even the name of the type "fighter-bomber" refers to the end of the twentieth century. Alas for me, alas ...
  12. ShOoMok
    -1
    13 February 2012 13: 54
    Thanks for all 4 parts. Great movie!)
    1. sams
      -2
      13 February 2012 15: 17
      Join.
      And the pictures are just a sight for sore eyes.
  13. VAF
    VAF
    0
    13 February 2012 14: 15
    I agree with Andy completely!
    Our rulers destroyed the Air Force (as such) completely!
    1. Eliminated the root of 18 higher aviation schools (so I graduated with a raid at 369 hours and with grade 3, I arrived at the regiment-week tests, transportation, and in the planned number 1-ready by day, in PMU) !!!
    And now - the "circumcised" Krasnodarskoe produces only 40 "would-be pilots" with "dung at 35-50 hours" and he comes to the regiment with fear in his "eyes" because he cannot do anything!
    2. The former Supreme Civil Code in 1999 said, "... we need a new professional army" and all of us professionals aged 40-43 (and of course older comrades!), With grade 1, with experience in database management "were pension ", destroying the entire system of the Air Force Air Defense, the IA system, disbanded reconnaissance regiments, combat-ready formations and formations - (dispersal and disbandment of the most combat-ready and combat-ready 16 VA, exposed the Chinese direction by disbanding 23 VA), etc. the list is endless!
    3. Even when Rossvooruzheniye was in existence with the only aviation general in a white dress uniform, the well-known surname was sold only for export (for money or for bananas it doesn't matter), but what's strange is going on (by the way, and now). The internal cost of the Su-27 (at that time and for example it was 15 million dollars is the salary of all workers, design bureaus, subcontractors, etc., bonuses and the like - the export price is 30 million dollars, i.e. according to Pupkin's arithmetic - every second aircraft assembled at the plant under an export contract should be a "gift" for us ??? !!!
    And what do we have in the end? I hope people who understand and know aviation and who are present on this site know what we have and why and in what condition ?! Therefore, I will not write about it!
    4. Soon we will buy combat aircraft abroad. Storetkin has already taken the first step. He is buying Italian cans on wheels, instead of our Tigers. And nothing's gone, so get ready, the main "surprises" are yet to come!
    5. And what do you think, is it that Taburetkin "rules" himself or ....? That's it!
    1. L. konstantin
      +1
      13 February 2012 14: 34
      here! and now answer you (you) like new. why is the bulk here still supporting today's government and firmly believes in GDP (vovka) and in its constant feeding of promises?
  14. VAF
    VAF
    0
    13 February 2012 14: 45
    I answer!
    1. It is possible for you, it is possible for you to be indifferent, I am an outgoing person!
    2. Only a feeling of fear that you and your thoughts can be exposed and that you, in this country, will come out "sideways"!
    3. Well, by definition, in our country, more than half cannot be so stupid and uneducated ?!
    4. Only fear for themselves and their family, which will be left without a little bit of means of subsistence (especially in small and medium-sized cities) makes people "play in favor"!
    1. +1
      13 February 2012 16: 35
      Because there is an example - Ukraine.
      This is a model of "what would have been" - an alternative development option.
      One submarine, and even that one is breathing.
      And security officers are awarded by the American ambassador.
      1. +1
        13 February 2012 16: 39
        But let's not let Ukraine get in?
        One submarine ---- why do we need it? And even more so?
        As for the awards ---- such as no one else receives awards from foreign countries? Such as for peacekeeping operations, exercises, etc.
        Quote: Andrey_K
        This is a model of "what would have been" - an alternative development option.

        What’s the model? You’ll cross off raw materials from the Russian model and think about what would happen to it if you had reached such a state, but do not touch Ukraine to the place of the SUPERPOWER, as some do not claim.
        1. -1
          13 February 2012 16: 51
          What raw materials? What kind of oil?
          All Russian oil would go to oil companies (BP, ExonMobil ...) and to the few oligarchs who wouldn’t buy Chelsea, but immediately the premier, and most likely would sell the business to the Americans and leave for Australia.
          And Russia would remain as the same Ukraine - without fossils, without an army, and without claims to superpower.
          But in the USA there would be another economic recovery and no crises.
          1. -3
            13 February 2012 17: 05
            What am I supposed to teach you the economics of YOUR country?
            Yes, even your budget is calculated based on the price of OIL
            You can also see what the export of Russia consists of and what is the share of raw materials in it. And the share of filling the budget.


            Quote: Andrey_K
            And Russia would remain as the same Ukraine - without fossils, without an army, and without claims to superpower

            And if not oil, then what? You somehow modestly kept silent why, WELL ..
            even though the only thing that gives Russia the right to a superpower is Soviet stockpiles of nuclear weapons.
            1. +4
              13 February 2012 17: 21
              Exactly.
              High share of the budget from the export of raw materials.
              This means that the proceeds are not received by transnational corporations, but by the state.
              But how could it be otherwise (well, if Ukraine is not considered a resource-rich state) - the example of Namibia - this country, like Russia, has huge reserves of minerals.
              Only, for some reason, I have not heard about the Namibian superpower ambitions and 5th generation aircraft.
              But what Namibia - Saudi Arabia - for those grandmothers that they have from oil, they could for a long time green the Arabian desert and create their own defense industry.
              1. +1
                13 February 2012 17: 39
                Quote: Andrey_K
                And how could it be otherwise



                Why don’t you tell me what it is? You are already striking in Namibia, and why not Qatar or the UAE (they do not even dream of planting a wasteland, and the average Russian or Ukrainian could not even dream of it, and they can BUY protection for themselves, they finance Alkaida and they still do not bomb)?

                But where does this relate to Ukraine and its one submarine?
                Quote: Andrey_K
                Because there is an example - Ukraine.
                This is a model of "what would have been" - an alternative development option.
                One submarine, and even that one is breathing.


                So let's stick to the topic and not touch Namibia, and that’s Congo too.
                1. +1
                  13 February 2012 18: 15
                  So I already answered everything on the topic.
                  To summarize:
                  Putin's merit is that he was able to intercept the flow of oil money from TNCs and send them to the budget.
                  Well, yes, this budget is funded by the export of raw materials, but it could have been worse, namely: the budget is NOT funded by the export of raw materials - i.e. all the same, only WITHOUT oil money.
                  That is what Namibia has to do with it.
                  And about the "wonderful experience of the UAE" - do you really think that eating up stocks is the ideal model of life?
                  Those. All citizens should be assigned a pension (immediately after graduation) and let them live happily ever after?
                  1. +3
                    13 February 2012 20: 17
                    It’s a ridiculous way to summarize nothing. Not speaking already with Putin and the interception of oil flows.
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Well, yes, this budget is funded by the export of raw materials.

                    at least I could admit it, so where does the example of Ukraine, which does not have an oil budget, come with.
                    So you’re already talking, blurted out something about the submarine and Namibia
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    And about the "wonderful experience of the UAE" - do you really think that eating up stocks is the ideal model of life?

                    But these are their personal problems
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Those. All citizens should be assigned a pension (immediately after graduation) and let them live happily ever after?

                    According to the constitution, the bowels of the earth belong to the citizens of the country, but why this is interpreted in favor of 1, a tenth of the population is a mystery.

                    But still, YOU deign to melt the brief rationale for your comment
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Because there is an example - Ukraine.
                    This is a model of "what would have been" - an alternative development option.
                    One submarine, and even that one is breathing.
                    And security officers are awarded by the American ambassador.


                    the funniest thing was then
                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    What raw materials? What kind of oil?

                    and then

                    Quote: Andrey_K
                    Putin's merit is that he was able to intercept the flow of oil money from TNCs and send them to the budget.
                    Well, yes, this budget is funded by the export of raw materials.


                    So you are a great example of an Internet connoisseur
                    1. +2
                      13 February 2012 21: 29
                      Quote: Kars
                      Yes, even your budget is calculated based on the price of OIL

                      And your budget is calculated based on the price of GAZ tongue

                      Enough between the Sobachitstso brothers, we must already start thinking in the opposite direction.
                      1. +2
                        13 February 2012 21: 38
                        Quote: El13
                        And your budget is calculated based on the price of GAZ


                        if this is true, then the truth is only for you from the price of the price, and with us for the purchase
                        Quote: El13
                        Enough between the Sobachitstso brothers

                        I don’t need to say this, but to those who put Ukraine as an example with the number of submarines
                    2. 0
                      13 February 2012 23: 56
                      This is your logic problem.
                      For especially ... retarded I will repeat the whole chain of reasoning.
                      The question was: why do the majority still support Putin?
                      Answer: because not everything is so bad: if there were someone else in his place, Russia would have no oil at all (it would be in the west).
                      As a result, we get the same situation as in Ukraine: all the same people and problems, but no oil.
                      As a result: one submarine and the US ambassador give directions as at home.
                      I will also add the topic: "Take everything and divide it up and heal happily", I will not even discuss it, it is so immense and inexhaustible.
                      1. +1
                        14 February 2012 00: 41
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        The question was: why do the majority still support Putin?

                        Why is this? Putin sideways with me.
                        The question for the disinhibited stood like that
                        Quote: Kars
                        But let's not let Ukraine get in?
                        One submarine ---- why do we need it? And even more so?

                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        As a result, we get the same situation as in Ukraine: all the same people and problems, but no oil

                        Are you sure about this? Well, except for oil.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        As a result: one submarine and the US ambassador give directions as at home.

                        Justify why Ukraine has more submarines in the Black Sea? And this one, if it is repaired, has only one purpose --- the PLO ships will train on it.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        topic: "Take everything and divide and heal happily", I will not even discuss

                        strange and they raised him
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        But what Namibia - Saudi Arabia - for those grandmothers that they have from oil, they could for a long time green the Arabian desert and create their own defense industry.

                        although the question is why the Saudi Arabian military-industrial complex, when there are many more profitable businesses --- by the way they are engaged in, than to build the military-industrial complex from scratch.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        US ambassador gives directions as at home.

                        It would be interesting how it is, I personally do not notice - give a tip to the last instruction, or decree
                      2. -2
                        14 February 2012 01: 34
                        Too many questions, but I will answer comprehensively.
                        These Saudis are not involved in anything - their whole business is the sale of oil (well, Mecca of course).
                        Why work if you can’t stop working?
                        Yes, they hire themselves a bunch of workers who work for them ... but it's not serious.
                        It would be serious - to prepare for the situation when oil runs out.
                        And my opinion on how to prepare for this is to invest not in banks and not to give out to citizens for free, but to improve the country and educate the population.
                        Those. create intelligent jobs and train the population - so that it is not lazy, but works.
                        Those. even if the state has money, then in no case do not pay for nothing, but only for work.
                        But usually, there are too many people for the work of the state, there isn’t enough work for all - but for this case, there are military industrial complex and scientific programs (such as space exploration) - albeit useless work (unless of course there is no war) ... but it’s capable of to absorb all unnecessary labor resources, to make work qualified and not for nothing.
                        But something I broke up ... I say the same - the topic is too vast.
                      3. +1
                        14 February 2012 01: 59
                        We parted, but somehow in the wrong direction. Tales about the Saudis.
                        though the question is important

                        Quote: Kars
                        But let's not let Ukraine get in?
                        One submarine ---- why do we need it? And even more so?

                        Quote: Kars
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        US ambassador gives directions as at home.
                        It would be interesting how it is, I personally do not notice - give a tip to the last instruction, or decree



                        and the Saudis nafig --- I already wrote
                        Quote: Kars
                        And about the "wonderful experience of the UAE" - do you really think that eating up stocks is the ideal model of life?
                        But these are their personal problems


                        Although it is unclear how the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia intertwined (in which, by the way, oil has not been conserved for a very long time)
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Those. even if the state has money, then in no case do not pay for nothing, but only for work

                        funny you. That's how you found oil in your yard, some uncles pump it, and they sell gasoline to you.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        there is a military-industrial complex

                        I’ll tell you a secret: it exists for the War, and it is mainly state-owned, just like the TYPE of space exploration --- although of course private capital appeared there.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        But something I broke up ... I say the same - the topic is too vast

                        that's right, you just have to answer only


                        Quote: Kars
                        But let's not let Ukraine get in?
                        One submarine ---- why do we need it? And even more so?
                      4. -2
                        14 February 2012 02: 23
                        Why does the state need an army?
                        Of course, at this stage Ukraine does not need an army.
                        Even without concluding any agreements with Russia, she can be sure that if something happens ...
                        In general, there are no enemies - no one will attack in the next 100 years ... yes, the army is not needed and you can save a lot on it.
                        But there is such a thing - called continuity.
                        In any field of activity, we need real teachers who know how to do it.
                        No textbooks or training can replace personal communication and the transfer of experience.
                        Those. once having lost the army - it can no longer be restored.
                        Independently.
                        Only with the help of foreign instructors.
                        I doubt that the people of Ukraine agree to turn into a country of ordinary people who have forgotten how to defend themselves.
                        Nobody will ever respect such a country - others will always decide for it.
                        And that is the whole answer.
                      5. +1
                        14 February 2012 13: 55
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Why does the state need an army?

                        Not again, fairy tales, people are asked why Ukraine has many submarines in the Black Sea, and it starts the barrel organ.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Of course, at this stage Ukraine does not need an army.

                        It is strange to talk about the 130 000 army, with the largest arsenal of weapons in eastern Europe.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Even without concluding any agreements with Russia, she can be sure that if something happens ...

                        It’s just that there isn’t much confidence, but no one remembers anything that Ukraine was promised when we surrendered nuclear weapons? Russia, the USA, and so on?
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        Yes, the army is not needed and you can save on it well.

                        And on it they do not save, they snobbut to the extent of economic opportunities
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        In any field of activity, we need real teachers who know how to do it.

                        It’s strange why Russia doesn’t do this, there are comments about the training of pilots.
                        Quote: Andrey_K
                        And that is the whole answer.

                        And what question?
                2. +1
                  13 February 2012 22: 29
                  have you been from Dubai for a long time? and I have been going there since '93, every year. Yes, the indigenous people live there better than the Americans. and everyone else in the world. But there are not many of them. Are the others all? Who works, serves? My acquaintance. which holds a large company in Dubai, says Dubai will soon turn into Mumbai. For one local, I think, several hundred Indians, Thais. Filipinos. Pakistanis etc. And most of them live by our standards - IN POVERTY. They don’t even dream about the life of an average Ukrainian. I am already silent about Russia average.
                  1. +2
                    13 February 2012 22: 35
                    Another genius.
                    And why do you compare the life of a guest worker in Dubai with a Russian? Compare with a Tajik janitor in Moscow.
                    Quote: ikrut
                    I think a few hundred Indians, Thais. Filipinos. Pakistanis etc. And most of them live by our standards - IN POVERTY

                    That's it by our standards, but how do they live in relation to their homeland?

                    Well, at least there wasn’t enough genius to tell that locals live worse than Ukrainians. I would laugh.
                    again amazed at the wisdom of some individuals
                    1. -1
                      13 February 2012 23: 35
                      What interests me the least is your attitude towards me personally. because you can’t write about it. In vain will you only use Claudia.
                      Why do I compare with Russians and Ukrainians? Yes, simply because it was YOU who wrote: “The UAE (they live without greening the wilderness so that the average Russian or Ukrainian never dreamed of.” To this I replied that there are VERY MANY people living well there. A minority.
                      There were no other comparisons. Why else do weave something out of place? Fershteyn?
                      1. +1
                        14 February 2012 00: 01
                        Quote: ikrut
                        Why do I compare with Russians and Ukrainians?

                        Do you not remember what you yourself wrote? Or can’t you keep a thought in your head?
                        Quote: ikrut
                        YOURSELF wrote: “The UAE (they live without landscaping the wasteland so that the average Russian or Ukrainian never dreamed of.” To this I replied that there are VERY MANY people living well there. A minority.

                        And these are not many representatives of the titular nation? Or migrant workers?
                        Quote: ikrut
                        There were no other comparisons of speech.

                        Quote: ikrut
                        I think a few hundred Indians, Thais. Filipinos. Pakistanis etc. And most of them live by our standards - IN POVERTY

                        You genuinely compare guest workers in the UAE and us (Ukrainians and Russians), that is, representatives of the titular nation
                        Quote: ikrut
                        Why else do weave something out of place?

                        Learn to express your thoughts - read about logic there, yet.
                        Quote: ikrut
                        In vain will you only use Claudia

                        Yes, I already use it in vain, do not replace me with school.
                      2. SIA
                        SIA
                        +1
                        14 February 2012 06: 00
                        The topic is about what, about the SU-27? Stick to the direction of the topic. Breed your flood about foreign and domestic policy on the forum in the appropriate section.
                      3. 0
                        14 February 2012 20: 00
                        Well, after reading your general empty chatter, I’ll insert my nonsense remark - find how many barrels of oil per Saudi citizen and how many per Russian citizen. Glyadish will be an occasion to think.
            2. Nerd
              +1
              13 February 2012 21: 24
              It would be better not to argue, but to think - HOW to "help" our leaders - UNIT our countries ??! ... (for the common good ..)
              1. -1
                13 February 2012 23: 37
                With orange and Bandera you will not agree. Empty business. There is only one way out - only to divide the territory.
                1. +1
                  14 February 2012 00: 01
                  But isn’t it divided into 1991?
            3. -1
              13 February 2012 22: 23
              Yes Yes. and we have from the price of gas that we buy. :))
        2. -1
          13 February 2012 22: 22
          yes there is already nothing to "involve". and boats are not needed, and planes. and rockets, and roads .. and people are almost the same is not needed.
          "If there were no oil. If there were no gas. If there were no gold and diamonds ..."
          If grandmother had something, she would be a grandfather.
      2. 0
        13 February 2012 22: 18
        Agree with you. Veteran just offended. This is understandable and sad. But if orange ruled in Russia, the picture would be much worse.
        1. 0
          13 February 2012 22: 42
          Are you talking to you?

          And I remember how the budget of the Russian Federation amounted to 20 dollars at a price per barrel.
          and there were no oranges and diamonds with gold, someone already had someone.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          -3
          13 February 2012 22: 46
          It is impossible to "offend" me, but "upset" is for sure!
  15. welder
    +1
    13 February 2012 15: 20
    veteran.air force - truth speaks through your lips !!! I think now many blind kittens will have their eyes thinned out
    1. -1
      13 February 2012 17: 07
      I fully subscribe to your (common) opinion. Regarding the Chinese direction, I will say one thing that it’s bare, it’s still affectionately said. Here are 3,14 zdets!
      Only Domna remained in the Trans-Baikal Territory (the Air Force knows) where one link can rise. I want to believe, God grant Putin more strength and will
  16. 755962
    +1
    13 February 2012 17: 06
    Like a song. Harmonious and graceful. As they say, that would be the number of takeoffs = the number of landings!
  17. -1
    13 February 2012 18: 01
    Thank God that in Russia there are people who create such first-class cars, and such wonderful pilots!
  18. +5
    13 February 2012 18: 54
    Welcome all. Our military equipment has always been the best in the world. And that's why.
    1). Take aviation, after the Second World War we had a lot of bright goals (design bureaus): Sukhoi, Mikoyan, Lavochkin, Tupolev, Yakovlev, Antonov, Myasishchev, Ilyushin (sorry if I forgot someone). It was from whom and from which to choose.
    Let me give you an example: when asked by Allen Dallas (director of the CIA), which intelligence is the best in the world?
    - KGB.
    - Why not?
    - Under the socialist system, the "best of the best" were evenly distributed in society: in factories, in the army, in intelligence, in design bureaus, in science, in healthcare, etc. And here, in the capitalist system, "the best of the best" ( graduated from leading universities) go into business. Who do we, in the CIA, get? Theirs tees.

    2) when creating military equipment, all relevant research institutes were connected. They did not spare money. Our leading scientists, engineers, and designers sometimes did not even know where their discoveries (achievements) were applied - everything was kept secret.
    For example: Was in Taiwan (computer production is very developed). I ask: Where was the first computer created?
    - IN USA
    - And who was the first to fly into space?
    - Gagarin (USSR)
    - Whereas without a computer we could get into space (the fact is that it was necessary to calculate about 1000 equations per minute; without a computer - this is impossible).
    I ask: - And who was the first to make a personal computer?
    - Apple (USA)
    - In 1975, there were 25 processors on the MiG-3. your Bill Gates then went to school.

    Now imagine that you are heading an aircraft manufacturing company in the West. You are given the opportunity to build a plane and money is allocated. Will you connect all specialized research institutes? After all, your motto is: cheaper to do, sell more expensive. Therefore, you will take a maximum of 2 research institutes per profile and will work only with them, for the sake of cost savings.
    For example: why the West did not create an analogue of the Mig-25 (31)? They even had a full-scale specimen (hijacking to Japan). Because it is titanium-steel (to withstand a speed of 3000 km / h; the duralumin-aluminum construction does not withstand more than 2500 km / h). And it was necessary to create an entire industry - several factories, if not a dozen. Expensive, not profitable, the plane will be furiously expensive. In the West, they are still lagging behind in technologies for processing titanium alloys.
    Or another example: the RD-180 (Kuznetsov) rocket engine is a closed-loop engine, there are no analogues. In the West, they tried to create such an engine. Created a bunch of programs for their supercomputers. Answer: impossible to create, overheating and explosion. Nikolai Kuznetsov by trial and error created this engine - a masterpiece. The most powerful engine for rockets (it was created for flight to the moon).
    Or else: the T-80 tank was driven into a wind tunnel to see how to protect the gas turbine engine from dust. Their "Abrams" in the war for Kuwait went out of order for this reason (more than 300 pieces). And it is clear that this tank was not driven into the pipe. Why, the state will buy them anyway, and we will advertise and we will cut the "loot".
    I believe that in the field of basic sciences, we were the best before the collapse of the USSR. And the groundwork in the field of military equipment, which was made before the 90s, was enough until today. I think that they are only catching up with us.
    And the Su-27, MiG-29, MiG-31, Tu-160, Su-25, Mi-8, Mi-24 and their modifications are masterpieces in aviation.
    He served in the Union, at the aviation range. When the MiG-29 was working, to be sure, "put out the light."
    Beautiful car - flies beautifully.
    1. Hedgehog
      0
      13 February 2012 19: 37
      correctly said our aircraft as was the best and will remain bully
    2. +2
      13 February 2012 22: 28
      And not an unimportant moment. Everyone says that under the Union everything was built and produced, but someone at least once hinted that after the collapse of the USSR to 90% of manufacturers of components for the military-industrial complex ended up abroad overnight. And the main merit of Putin is that these 90% over these 12 years have been recreated, but already in Russia. Now the time has come to replicate and as they say wait and see whose street will be the holiday.
  19. VAF
    VAF
    -5
    13 February 2012 20: 49
    Much of what has been said "has a place to be", but you yourself confirm that it was in the USSR!
    Therefore, now the design bureau is "finalizing" what was created in the Union and the remaining bright minds hardly "push through" something new!
    But the military machine must also fight beautifully however!
    The 29th OVT with Belyaev does such things that the Pindos would not even dream about in the worst nightmare, but forgive me how many such cars were produced?
    And the story of the MiG-35 for the Hindus?
    So let's not be sad and dream of "empty" hopes !!!
    And then after the "pearls" Andrey_K "... the interception of oil VVP", as much as in the throat locked and broke a tear "!!!
    Are there really such people who think so or is it just a "troll"?
    Here's how not to swear after that?
    1. SIA
      SIA
      +1
      14 February 2012 05: 57
      Don't get off topic! Argue about politics on the forum.
  20. welder
    0
    13 February 2012 21: 09
    literate ADULT PEOPLE finally appeared here

    finally, literate ADULT PEOPLE appeared here !!! aviation was strong, now all hope is for a simple Russian (Russian, including all Russian nationalities) soldier

    I apologize for the repetition, I'm weak with a computer and the Internet
  21. welder
    0
    13 February 2012 21: 25
    As for f-16, I’ve made a mistake, I’m sorry, but I didn’t begin to rewrite !!! Su35 against f-22.
  22. Nerd
    -5
    13 February 2012 21: 56
    I flew on the SU-30, SU-35, MIG-29, MIG-21 ... on theirs F15, F16, even on F18 ... as well as on F22, F35 and on our SU49 (Golden Eagle) and PAK FA ... All planes are good ... I’ll say that basically, in battle - it all depends on the ARMAMENT! ...
    Well, and so - they differ mainly in speeds and maneuverability ...
    Well, and - a mass of armaments carried with them (the number of missiles)! ... wink
    1. +2
      13 February 2012 22: 32
      Did you fly on a pepelats? laughing
    2. L. konstantin
      +1
      14 February 2012 09: 40
      mother will see what you write to uncles! does not scold? that lying to adults is not good !? laughing
      1. Nerd
        0
        14 February 2012 13: 23
        My word is worth a lot! ...
        If you said he flew, it means not only flew, but also took part in hostilities! ... Yes
  23. +3
    13 February 2012 22: 12
    Sorry to just answer. I just started to study this "technique". Guys, don't bury the army. The USSR collapsed. The capitalists divorced us (Gorbachev, Yeltsin). There was a crisis. Economically, this means a decline in areas that do not give money - science, education, health care, the army, etc. The emphasis is only on what brings money - raw materials, weapons. What does Putin do when he comes to power? Says Khodorkovsky - the oligarchs lined up, began to pay taxes, the budget is growing. Putting things in order with the raw materials industries. And the most important thing is to feed the people, i.e. to open up new jobs. Construction of schools, kindergartens, hospitals and houses begins. Construction provides a large number of jobs. Together with Nazarbayev and Lukashenko, they begin to create an alliance. At the same time, he defends the interests of Russia (for example: he took gas fields in Sakhalin from BP; he is building the SCO with Kazakhstan and China, etc.; now he is not giving offense to Iran and Syria, etc.).
    How much money can you spend? That's right, how much you earned. Putin has a very competent financial policy. He creates a tax base (slave. Places) and expands it. He repaid his debts and created a pillow reserve of 450 billion dollars. After Chechnya, Georgia finally (this is my opinion) reached the army.
    First: a fantastic amount of 30 trillion rubles for the defense industry until 2020. For example: 1000 combat helicopters before this deadline.
    Secondly: new models of military equipment - means the creation of new technologies and the connection of science, and therefore its development.
    Thirdly: and finally, I think, the use of new technologies for civilian purposes.

    Regarding new equipment and flight schools: the creation of the Mig-35 or Su-37 with OBT means that the technology is developed - the product is created. And if necessary (give money) we will do as much as necessary (with it, the more, the cheaper per unit).
    Here I want to give an example: the serial production of AFAR gives a huge impetus to the creation of enterprises in radio electronics (factories remained in the Baltic states).
    Naturally the question arises, who will ride, fly and so on? Of course, schools and institutions will not do without; but only as much as necessary. And I am sure that this is the next step, it just logically begs - we need to create and mass-produce simulators, equipment, etc. for them. To be continued ...
    1. VAF
      VAF
      -1
      13 February 2012 23: 07
      Well, if the GDP had not yet "destroyed" the Sakhalin-1 and 2 projects lobbied by Yavlinsky & K ....! It’s just here, for our oil, so that they would extract from us, we also pay them! And Yavlignsky nothing, live!
      But what had he been doing in power for 12 years before that? And where is this line of oligarchs ready to pay taxes to the treasury?
      As for new jobs, this is generally a bestseller !!!
      Is the pillow reserve of 450 billion? Are these at 2% per annum, while we ourselves borrow at 6%?
      I just watched his performances in Kurgan, with teachers - he plans a mortgage at 3-4%, this is at the central bank refinancing rate of 8-9%, how is it?
      Again, all according to "Kudrin" ?!
      And examples with 1000 combat helicopters under 20 are utopias!
      We take again the simple arithmetic of Pupkin, and not Kudrin!
      There are only two combat helicopters (if we mean fire support): in Rostov and Arsenyev, if (with a stretch to pull here the Mi-8 MTV or AMT) then two more Kazan and Ulan-Ude, and with a very large stretch of Ka-helicopters 26,27 (226 etc.) is another in Kumertau.
      The task for arithmetic in the 3rd grade of the Soviet school:
      What number of helicopters should 5 factories produce annually, so that over 8 years their number would amount to 1000?
      And simulators are good only when you already have practical experience (not to be confused with a simple bloom or "manure"!).
      And so it's all toys on flight simulators! By the way, today in the Kurgan province another Su-24 has fallen! This is so, by the way, and for reflection!
      1. 0
        13 February 2012 23: 49
        no offense, but noticed that you are a big fan of fear of catching up and thickening clouds. If with such sentiments, yes, in the 41st year, we would have left trash from us for two months. But from scratch, they built factories and in the shortest possible time produced products. Now the situation is much simpler. IMHO.
        Here you have - either "grief" is strong or already destructive psyche. It's extremely difficult to live like that.
        In Hinduism, two syndromes are known in the human psyche. Bee syndrome and fly syndrome. The bee seeks and finds flowers and, as a result, produces honey. She doesn't care about dirt and shit. the fly is looking for something completely different. although they live in the same environment. This I mean that, first of all, for the person himself, it is more important how he relates to the environment. Accordingly, his whole life will be built. Will be "bee" - and the environment will gradually improve. Will be a "fly" - so the whole life in the city will not pass. Forgive me for the verbosity and edifying tone. I have always considered retirees to be decent and responsible people. And so, flyers - even more so.
        1. L. konstantin
          -3
          14 February 2012 09: 46
          never compare Stalin and Pukin! one for 7 years from plow and bt7 to a nuclear bomb and is 3 moved! But Pupkin didn’t do anything for 12 years! only promises! watched the broadcast of his speech with reporters. horror; closes their mouths, does not say, rude! In my opinion, he already snickered on a gas pipe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        2. 0
          14 February 2012 12: 05
          This is the correct position.
          I will also add that "chernushnichestvo" is a contagious disease.
          A person begins to spread "everything is bad" and those around them give up.
          That is how the Union collapsed - they began to release black-eyed films (for example, "Garage" and even worse), propaganda began in the newspapers - that everyone steals and everyone is borne and all the bastards.
          And that’s it: everyone in his place stopped working and the country was in a fever ...
          But Stalin immediately planted all the blackenders.
          I used to think that it was a vain cruelty ... now I'm starting to think that removing people infected with pessimism from society has created favorable conditions for an unprecedented upsurge in enthusiasm and an economic leap.
          But this experience is not applicable now.
          But then we ourselves can try to do something: not to steal, not to give bribes, not to spread the negative.
          (the latter is even more important than the first two)
      2. eJik
        0
        14 February 2012 03: 51
        Is there a lot of 25 helicopters per year at the plant?
      3. L. konstantin
        -3
        14 February 2012 09: 45
        write correctly! open your eyes to patriots!
    2. 0
      13 February 2012 23: 40
      Constructively. I support.
    3. -1
      13 February 2012 23: 52
      Constructively. I support.
  24. +4
    14 February 2012 01: 15
    I am from Alma-Ata. Therefore, I judge only by macroeconomic indicators. In the early 90s, we had the end of the world: no gas, no light. And this is in the capital of Kazakhstan. Veteranu.air force: my respect. The fact is that economics is a science and it has its own laws. For example: foreign exchange reserves cannot be thrown into the economy. This will lead to terrible inflation and impoverishment of the population. It is better to keep them where it was printed. But this is an indicator that Russia is solvent and for every dollar of investment you can attract 3 dollars of investment. Mortgage: due to state subsidies. As for example, you have maternity capital, we do not have this. As for the queue: look at how your budget grew after Khodorkovsky - the debts were returned (state) in a matter of years. This has never happened in the world. Jobs: unless construction gives them, and the creation of new technology, you will have a shortage of highly qualified workforce. In order to build one plane, a thousand related enterprises need cooperation, and this is how many jobs. Our Nazarbayev would pray for such a production. And he is savvy in the economy. Everyone is trying to open a car production, but no one is coming, we have a non-self-sufficient state. With a population of more than 50 mil. almost any production can be opened and its products will be mastered by the population itself. So that you are only at the beginning of the journey, you just need to be patient. And as for arithmetic, you will not only do it yourself, we’ll stand in line.
    I also wanted to add about the Su-27 and MiG-29: all training fights in India, the USA, France, Great Britain, they came out winners. There were even such recommendations: not to engage in close combat with the Mig-29. And their F-22 and F-35 is their response to the Su-27 and MiG-29, but not the 5th generation. The engine is 5 generations. neither they nor we have supersonic at cruising speed. This is Putin said 2010 at the air show in Zhukovsky. The problem is the shoulder blades, but I think we can handle it. And what did the USA create after the collapse of the USSR, except for the F-22? And then there are 170 pieces that need to be finished and finished.
    As for weapons. Of course, an airplane is just a carrier. New, modern ammunition is needed. But beyond our designers, engineers, scientists will not rust. I am sure. For example: high-precision ammunition is best for Russia: daredevil, centimeter of designer Vishnevsky. They are inertia-correctable. No one has an analogue. The flaws of 200 m are corrected in 1-2 seconds. Yes they are artillery, but what is the design idea. It’s just fantastic !!!
    1. Eugene
      +1
      14 February 2012 02: 18
      Quote: Kasym
      about not 5 generation. Engine 5 generations. neither they nor we have supersonic at cruising speed

      f-22 meets all the requirements for generation 5: stealth, supersonic speed without using an afterburner about 1700 km / h, internal weapons suspension (this is just like stealth for those who want to carry the Su-35 to the 5th). It can be said the standard (the standard, by the way, this does not mean that the best :)) is the fifth generation aircraft. The battle will show their real qualities, and in general, apart from the Blacks clash, the Su-5 has not fought anywhere.
  25. +5
    14 February 2012 03: 26
    Eugene-yu: my respect. This is an advertisement. The total engine thrust should exceed 22 tons .. Only then will supersonic speed be exceeded in cruising mode, and there is no talk of 1700. Therefore, many designers say that jet engines have reached the limit. The future belongs to inertia-detonation engines. With an increase in thrust, the blades do not withstand the blades in the normal mode, they begin to melt.

    On modern Russian engines, vertical holes are made in the blades to cool them. This is Russian (Soviet) know-how. Due to this, the Su-27 and MiG-29 had the advantage in traction and, therefore, in climbing over competitors.
  26. VAF
    VAF
    +1
    14 February 2012 11: 11
    Good day to all!
    I consistently answer the questions and "reproaches" of people little dedicated to the art of war, especially to the art of winning!
    1. I am an ordinary realist who has extensive combat experience, has studied the tactics of the actions of a probable enemy and practiced it, so what about catching fear, it's you Ikrut very in vain!
    2. Now if it is (God forbid, of course), it is much faster than in the 41st and especially not in 2 months.
    3. At the moment, as in the 41st, all aviation was concentrated on 10 airbases, built in ceremonial rows and still widely advertised, what we have and where it is.
    4. The dispersal airfield network is completely liquidated, and do you think that with real databases (not with the Papuansami, which are bows and arrows), will aviation be able to return to airbases? And for the second flight, I think, you need a bit of bombs and rockets, kerosene, oxygen, oil, etc.
    5. I hope you know the flying time Tomahawk and their number that probable opponents can release and you know how much air defense means we have and their capabilities ?.
    6. Well, as for the application of our DA during the August 2008 events, I have already said, I will not repeat myself, "the result, as they say in the face !!!"
    7 I disagree with Kasym categorically, even Grandfather Marx wrote in Capital that money is money, it is an unshakable principle of a normal economy and when they say that the money earned from the sale (in this case, oil and gas, and the rest of our production is practically 0) you can’t invest (invest) in your economy and produce more and better, but you need to dump everything under beggarly 2% per annum, and at the same time start to borrow 6-7% each, falling off the share in the form of shares?
    Well, excuse me, but ....?
    8. It's like at the "extreme" MAKS - "Hurray, we have signed a lucrative contract for 10 billion, Aeroflot buys 50 Boeing!" Gentlemen, where is this "hurray" and what is it expressed in? In the fact that we continue to develop the cue aviation industry, and receive kickbacks, and the domestic aviation industry is marching into the "grave"!
    9. Now about training or simulated fighter battles! Unfortunately, the teriyas always differed from practice with us!
    I ask you not to forget that the flight crew of 80% has combat experience in conducting combat operations on various theater of operations, I will not stop about the other positive aspects of their combat training, it is just a must-see and know!
    10. We have the Kharchevskys (thanks to him Lipetsk pilots), and even test pilots who really can and know how to fight, and there are two or three people in the regiments, the rest are already at the exit, well, I'm not talking about Afghans at all, almost all are retired. there is very little left, as they say at one time.
    So the question arises, who will fight and on what? Or wait until what next term -20 years or 30 years?
    Something quickly you all forget "laws of warriors" 6
    1. He studies military affairs in the present way.
    2. Want peace, get ready for war.
    3. Do not feed your army. you will feed someone else's.
    4. To beat the enemy, one must know his language.
    And so it is possible to continue for a very long time and unfortunately the law "to fight by skill, not by number" is no longer relevant for our Armed Forces.
    As for the 5th generation, we still have empty boxes flying, but there are 100 of them (good or bad is another question), and what’s interesting, they are already flying, and even shooting ?!
  27. +3
    14 February 2012 15: 40
    Good afternoon. For Veteran. air force: Imagine that you sold your product abroad and received currency for it. Because In Russia, the ruble goes, then you change the currency. (Note, as soon as you have produced the goods and sent them for export, the rubles have already been printed for it.) Finally, it goes to the Central Bank. What is left for him to do? Throw it back into the economy (i.e., print rubles again, again), but this is hyperinflation, or explaining differently: for the same product, rubles are printed twice as much as necessary. Therefore, the Central Bank is forced to keep them abroad at 2%, than just in safes. Conclusion: to produce goods at home (this is a slave. Places) and to consume them ourselves, surplus for export. And do not import from abroad. Then the economy will be strong. For example, the creation of the T-50 is new technologies that will have a multiplicative effect on related industries (mechanical engineering, metallurgy, chemistry, etc.).
    Sorry, I’ve gone too far away from the topic. It’s a pity that the articles on the Su-27 do not have a story from 1 prototype T-10 to, in my opinion, 14 full-scale model, which went into series and became known as Su- 27. What problems did you face and how were they resolved.
  28. Purgen
    0
    15 February 2012 00: 32
    Powerful weapon.