Ergaki. The taiga experience of Siberian Old Believers is to the advantage of the RF Armed Forces

The training program for military personnel of special units of the RF Armed Forces in the conditions of the Siberian taiga received its development. Preparation, which is remarkable, is carried out with the participation of representatives of the Old Believers communities living in the highlands of the Siberian regions of the country. Information Agency TASS With reference to the commander of the forces of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Vladimir Zarudnitsky reports that the training was conducted on the basis of a special center "Ergaki" in the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

Vladimir Zarudnitsky:

In 2016, we continued training for the mountain units of the Ground Forces and the Army aviation on the basis of the Ergaki center in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. The course ends with a field exit with elements of survival. The training of military personnel was carried out using the knowledge and skills of the indigenous inhabitants of the region from among the Old Believers. Last year, more than 700 members of the military district underwent training.

It is noted that a full-fledged course on survival in taiga conditions at an altitude of approximately 1300-1400 meters above sea level is being conducted. It is at this altitude that the center "Ergaki" is located - the foothills of the Western Sayan.

The course includes: overcoming water obstacles, gorges, rocks, glaciers, skills for obtaining fire, food production. Separate occupation - orienteering in the taiga.

Soldiers, in addition, are trained in the use of pack animals, obtaining purified drinking water.

In the format of training activities, a parachute landing was carried out from a helicopter, and measures were taken within the framework of special tactical, fire and physical training.

One of the routes in the taiga along its length is about 100 kilometers. Such a march through the taiga wilderness was accompanied by local residents from the mentioned communities of Old Believers, for which the places on the Sayan Mountains are an open book, each page of which is well known.

Comments

[Vend]

Experience is never superfluous. especially when it comes to survival.

[Monos]

Quote: Wend

Experience is never superfluous. especially when it comes to survival.

That is yes. But such an experience is relevant in the taiga. You can’t use it in the tropics. Something I do not want it to be updated.

[Alisher]

Fighting enemy DRG where should happen, in the taiga or in the tropics? And not necessarily during the war, but also before the war (during the Cold War).
In Siberia, there is something to protect.

[Kasym]

If you imagine any rangers in ... the taiga, and even ... in the winter! ! It seems to me that they will surrender to the first ... local or Old Believer, if they get of course.

[Alexander S.]

Well, the Rangers will not be here ... but some kind of sas or the like ..

[cniza]

Quote: Wend

Experience is never superfluous. especially when it comes to survival.

This should be the usual mode of working out tasks. Successes.

[commbatant]

yes sas this is not the jungle of malaya

[Sergey Ui]

Taiga and in Canada and the states there

[Chills]

Well ... Canada, Alaska ... you never know ...

[Kasym]

Goes into the hut to the Old Believer Ranger.
-Well, grandfather, I came to conquer you. Give bread, milk, meat, moonshine - we will eat, drink, walk. Now I am your master.
-Many people went around like that, son. Well, do you want to eat?
-Of course. Come on, come on!!!
Machine instructs grandfather. Grandfather to him
-Listen, taiga feeds me. Conqueror say - let's go, here the bear walked. We will eat bear cub.
-What bear? Is that a grizzly?
- Well, I don’t know - I don’t know what grizzly. Bear - he is a bear. And take away your "little fart" - if you want to be the master of the taiga, you need to have a horn. The people will respect, honor and people's love will be yours.
- Are you talking about girls? Ok !!! I want the most beautiful !!!
Going together, holds a cattle ranger. Grandfather explains to him how much, and how to use the horn. And suddenly, bam !!! The ranger falls into a bear pit. Grandfather is standing on top, yes tell him.
- Listen, conqueror. Now I'm throwing a hole in the branches again. I’ll put a honey for the bait. A bear will come and fail to you - here and deal with him, who is the master of the taiga. And I’ll go ... A lot of such people walked around here, but no one has filled up the bear yet ...

[Bat]

Cool and true

[DDR]

Quote: Monos

But such an experience is relevant in the taiga. You can’t use it in the tropics.

The tropics are unnecessary for us, but we will not give up the taiga! This is our land.

[vicvladol]

Better when he is than when he is not.

[stas]

Monos, you are wrong, this experience is suitable in forests, mountains, in the Arctic, in winter, fortified areas, etc.

[Gormenghast]

in the conditions of the Siberian taiga

even in conditions of total nuclear war, not only Old Believers will survive, but also units of the Armed Forces, and in general all those who have hidden.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Something looks like an advertisement for kvass. I’d just like to know what exactly is unique in the “taiga experience of the Siberian Old Believers” regarding survival?

[Volodin]

I think it will help you to find out well only personal landing somewhere in the Khakass taiga - so that for a couple of weeks, no less. And this, of course, at best ...

[Vladimir Postnikov]

There are two-week landings in the taiga with a supply of food in my life experience. What do you want to say?

[Volodin]

In that case, I wondered why you, instead of the Old Believers-Siberians, were not attracted to the training of special forces.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Do you realize what you are writing? Darling, if you need life experience in the taiga of Siberian Old Believers, this means that you are either going to hunt for Siberian Old Believers, or, like them, you want to escape from civilization. The experience of Siberian Old Believers is limited to the flora and fauna of the Khakass taiga. In the Carpathian forests, or in the forests of northern Syria, other flora and fauna. The Siberian Old Believers did not have weapons, equipment, communications equipment or special units. How do you imagine the special forces abandoned in the taiga in what mother gave birth? I admit that you have a dislike for me, but this is not a reason to make yourself an idiot.

[Volodin]

Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

I admit that you dislike me. but this is not a reason to pose as an idiot

Why would I dislike you? I don't know you. Do not flatter yourself. I just react to your comment, on the basis of which it turns out that "both smart and beautiful" and capable of surviving in the taiga without using anyone's experience, we have one of you, and everyone, including the Russian Ministry of Defense and special forces, and .diots ...

[Vladimir Postnikov]

The reaction to my comment is stupid. And dislike rushing out of all the cracks. Sorry, I'm finishing the conversation with you on this. Your opinion is not interesting to me in any way.

[Volodin]

And you have a lot of these "cracks"?

They will build "Rangers" of themselves, and how it comes to business and arguments - in the bushes.

[cap]

Quote: Volodin

I think it will help you to find out well only personal landing somewhere in the Khakass taiga - so that for a couple of weeks, no less. And this, of course, at best ...

In the Khabarovsk Territory, “runaway convicts” are almost a legend, even with their desire to survive, they can’t stand it for more than a week. They surrender or are caught off the road if they survive, and this is spring (hen) or summer (mosquitoes). Himalayan bears rods, wolves). Hundreds of kilometers of taiga with a predominance of larch from whose cones even the squirrels wrinkle. Excellent places for training special forces

[Mardokhaev]

Previously, in each district there were GRU special forces brigades. And they trained everywhere and in the taiga and in the desert and in the mountains. And for this they did not attract either Old Believers, Buddhist monks, nor dervishes, nor rabbis. In the same Buryatia, in the Forest town, not far from Ulan-Ude, there were 24 GRU special forces brigades. And they had taiga experience in bulk. And where did all this go? My nephew served there for two years. I ran around in the taiga.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mardokhaev

Previously, in each district there were GRU special forces brigades. And they trained everywhere and in the taiga and in the desert and in the mountains. And for this they did not attract either Old Believers, Buddhist monks, nor dervishes, nor rabbis. In the same Buryatia, in the Forest town, not far from Ulan-Ude, there were 24 GRU special forces brigades. And they had taiga experience in bulk. And where did all this go? My nephew served there for two years. I ran around in the taiga.

C'mon ............ Born in the Urals in the Perm Territory, from the third grade I had an illegal queen of 16 caliber (izh-17), my dad gave it to me, thoughtfully went to the forest from the age of 12, despite the fact that bullet My father did not give any rounds of ammunition, and for two shotguns he asked me not to pound in bottles, but in game. I mainly trained on hazel grouses and waders while I was small - it was as easy as taking them. After the Urals, he grew up to old age in the Komi Republic, where 1,5 people per square kilometer. So, both the Ural childons and the indigenous Komi have their own ways of catching animals and birds, fish and furs, when everything can be eaten without a gun and gunpowder, just from what is at hand. And in terms of arranging for several days in an unfamiliar area, without a basic hut, they have invaluable experience. Whatever you are a commando, but the locals always have something to learn in terms of survival, and without large material and physical costs. The hunters went into the taiga with a gun and an ax and returned with their booty, and now they carry up to 25-30 kg of cargo, with navigators and tents, and then they call the Ministry of Emergency Situations to pull them out, or even completely disappear. And the question itself should not be so posed, where in Europe can this experience be applied? We should not only prepare for offensives and victories, but also for defense. Well, if we take into account the fact that 80% of Russia is covered with taiga in our country, then they will take hrenushki, especially after a good preparation. Vanya Susanin, did not even think about the presence of navigators among the Poles ....

[commbatant]

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Nyrobsky Today, 21: 50 ↑ New
Quote: Mardokhaev

The question of creating jaeger, mountain jaeger, and parachute-jaeger units is in itself a question, only the authorities will not allow it, imagine what knowledge and experience the officers and contractors will have in such units? for good, such units should be supervised by comrades from the GRU, but senior comrades from the FSB will not allow this ...
In our country, not only in Siberia does the forest have, so the combined-arms combat skills in a wooded area will also be useful for combined-arms units ...
In combat training, there should be both a scientific (charters, manuals, instructions, recommendations, etc.) and a practical approach (including using the skills of the civilian population, there is nothing to be ashamed of, we have a people's army, respectively, I think not one civilian not ... lo will share experience) ....

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: commbatant

The question of the creation of jaegers, mountain jaegers and parachute-jaeger units is itself asking, only the authorities will not allow it.

Why are you over-thinking here?))) The authorities are organizing these trainings in the Arctic, using deer and dog teams based on the experience of local reindeer herders, which is in the Siberian taiga with the Old Believers. And you write the power does not allow .......

Quote: commbatant

for good, such units should be supervised by comrades from the GRU, but senior comrades from the FSB will not allow this ...

No, it’s clear that the units that are ready to carry out the task in any conditions are in short supply, but what would the FSB have over the GRU in this matter, this is not at all a topic. They are separate units and have different tasks, performing which, in no way depend on each other, well, except for the exchange of some "very significant information", for its re-checking through other operational channels. At the same time, both of them are interested in trained fighters, in connection with which they periodically exchange experience. By the way, now on the territory of Chechnya, a center is being opened for training special forces soldiers, where the best of the best, including specialists from abroad, will be gathered in the teaching staff. Typically, cadets from different departments will never cross each other either in the dining room or in the gym, having their own sectors for training and living, in order to ensure the “secrecy” of everyone who has completed training in the future.

[commbatant]

Nyrobsky Yesterday, 00:11 ↑ but for the FSB to have power over the GRU in this matter, this is not at all a topic.

Here, one comrade on this site enlightened me, said that the special forces of the GRU of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are reassigned to the NE of the RF, and you are telling me about the Soviet regime

including specialists from abroad

a reference can be on this Old?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: commbatant

that the GRU special forces of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces of the RF Armed Forces are reassigned to the NE RF, and you tell me here about the Soviet regime

Well, now find the abbreviation in your sentence FSB The Federal Security Service and the Foreign Intelligence Service are somewhat different functional services))) So you are in vain about the Soviet government .... What you wrote above in the commentary and answered you. As for the International Special Forces Training Center in Gudermes, here are a couple of links
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2016/11/23/
666571-kadirov-ssha-spetsnaza
http://rusvesna.su/news/1461776617
And in VO there was information about him from January 25, 2017 from the Nativity of Christ.

[commbatant]

Well, yes, but what about Vova and Co. from the Ministry of Industry and Trade?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: commbatant

Well, yes, but what about Vova and Co. from the Ministry of Industry and Trade?

How it all started ... Learn the topic. FSB, SVR, GRU - these are services that differ in functions and tasks. One thing that unites them is ensuring state security.

[user]

Great places for training special forces

So there is one of the mountain training centers of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And a little further away, in Kyzyl, a 55-mountain brigade was created.

[Banishing liberoids]

Still, they would have taken someone from their Old Believers as instructors, better than them, only animals can orient themselves and survive.

[fif21]

Pampering is all this. To get fire, to sleep in the snow, to go skiing, to take the beast, to tackle the tackle for the fish, to dress correctly, not to leave traces of your own, and not to leave any traces of our own, we need to learn this for five years. And to respect the elders, to behave humanly, in conscience, this is not enough. Winter awaits us, more than one year old people will say, maybe science will help someone.

[Mardokhaev]

Ergaki, it is both a recreation center and a ski resort and a natural park, in the Ermakovsky district, Kras.kraya. On the M-54. By the way, near the place of the fall of the feathered Swan. Only where they dug the Old Believers. Near the villages of Tanzybey and Aradan, there is also Usinsk. At that, the Old Believers can be from Tuva, from Erzhey and Sizim.

[fif21]

Quote: Mardokhaev

Only where they dug out the Old Believers. Near the villages of Tanzybey and Aradan, there is also Usinsk. At that, the Old Believers can be from Tuva, from Erzhey and Sizim.

Do not focus on this, there is no us, all inventions. They would write, they would learn from the taiga, otherwise it’s necessary to get into the soul.

[Mardokhaev]

Would you go ... You used to be responsible for the Altai-Sayan direction, 67 The Berd Brigade of the GRU Special Forces. They also conducted exercises in this region. The witness himself. Do they really have the necessary experience?
What you need to attract is unknown to anyone. And the Old Believers are not indigenous to this region.

[Asadullah]

What you need to attract is unknown to anyone. And the Old Believers are not indigenous to this region.

Yes, waking you, no one attracted anyone. Wrote, anyhow read, heard the crisis of the genre? And about the involvement of civilians in training specialists? There is a Charter, there are methods approved by the Ministry of Defense, and training takes place on them. If training takes place under a specific task, then civilian lectures can be given in classes without going into the essence of what is happening, under the signature on the bar. I remember listening to four academic hours on the PAHT, in specifics.

[Wolka]

the more the better, the survival skills are essentially the same, the difference in savvy, i.e. in the ability to put them into practice, and above all, this is the ability to navigate the terrain, the ability to produce fire and drinking water, eat, maintain and restore strength and warmth, if you know and know how to do this in the taiga, in the mountains and in the tundra, I don’t think that will arise big problems with their use in the middle lane and more southern areas ...

[bk316]

survival skills are essentially the same

Do you seriously think that the orientation skills in the taiga and the steppe are the same?
Or the same skills in water extraction in the taiga in winter and in the desert?
Or make fire in the taiga and mountains?

[fif21]

Quote: bk316

Do you seriously think that the orientation skills in the taiga and the steppe are the same?

Do stars shine everywhere or selectively?

Quote: bk316

are the same water skills in taiga in winter and desert the same?

Different In the taiga, however, snow needs to be heated, yellow snow must not be heated!

Quote: bk316

Or make fire in the taiga and mountains?

But in the mountains, gunpowder and capsules do not work? Or is there no sun? Or dry sticks or vegetation can not be found? I agree in any climate zone their "cockroaches" so let them study! Shoigu drives them all over Russia

[Akuzenka]

Orienteering skills are the same everywhere, without a map. Compass and stars (you did not know, go to school again, it may help).
Where in the Sayan Mountains, you found the desert in winter. There is snow, so there is water everywhere (READ THE INPUT).
And fire is easily produced in the mountains and in the taiga. (Matches, lighter). Even a smoke stove can be used. If there is fuel.

[bald]

This is one of the best ways to study, skills. These people did not peck for updates - they lived with nature and with God. Their experience - no words, in all the subtleties. This is not a zombie - comp ..

[Akuzenka]

author - article, sucks. We, as students (late 80s), just went camping, got such an experience in the polar Urals. 50 km a day., 40 kg backpack. on the grasslands. Is the army down to the level of Soviet tourists? Yes, there were four of us and two carbines.

[Weles86.]

Che they all climb mountains? Back in 2008, when they demobilized, they already did mountain regiments and we had exercises in the mountains and right now the same garbage, it feels like we are going to fight so seriously where there are no mountains at all even places)))) already looks like! I do not argue that mountain preparation is not a thing, but you should not forget about other types of preparation either.

[duchy]

With family were in the reserve "Ergaki", awesome places.