For the first time, an 3D model of a submarine under construction was created at Sevmash

For the first time in the national nuclear submarine shipbuilding, the designers of the Sevmash association have created a complete 3D model of the submarine under construction, reports RIA News message of the press service of the enterprise.

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It is reported that the designers also developed and introduced into practice the programs with the help of which the planned documentation for the construction of the underwater ship is created.

"The use of these modern technologies has improved the quality and significantly reduced the duration and complexity of the work," the press service of the chief designer of Sevmash, Yuri Spiridonov, quotes.

Khabarovsk is the lead nuclear submarine of the 5 generation of the 09851 project. The modular design of an atomic-powered vessel allows, in accordance with the tasks to be solved, to replace weapon and use unmanned underwater vehicles.

Comments

[NEXUS]

With this nuclear submarine Khabarovsk there are a lot of incomprehensible and secret things ... just like with the nuclear submarines Belgorod ... there is an opinion, these are carriers of the very Status-6

[Liberoid-]

Scientific companies in action ... (I remember four years ago .. there were articles and many laughed ..) Young people work and Thank God!

[bouncyhunter]

The use of these modern technologies has improved the quality and significantly reduced the duration and complexity of work

Maybe now the construction time will be reduced?

[210ox]

Pasha, this is certainly the case. First, time for making models is reduced, secondly, KB is easier to work. Now they get rid of paper bales, they digitize all the documentation. There should also be modernization of equipment and machinery in the production itself. Now one processing center replaces several large machine tools.

Quote: bouncyhunter

The use of these modern technologies has improved the quality and significantly reduced the duration and complexity of work

Maybe now the construction time will be reduced?

[kenig1]

"Designers of the association" Sevmash ""

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NEXUS

With this submarine Khabarovsk there are a lot of things that are not clear and secret ...

Duc ... pomnitsa, even Kuleshov Oleg ("Photo of the Fleet") a couple of years ago was able to find the only image of this submarine - in the form of a silhouette on a souvenir pen.

The second muddy image appeared during an organized leak on "Status-6" (the picture of the submarine in the right corner of the well-known document is just project 09851).

[Vita vko]

Quote: NEXUS

these are carriers

it is written, after all, that a modular design can be a carrier, or it can be a simple truck or a driller. The main thing is that their civilian use would be economically feasible and profitable, then they can be built in a large series, and which of them will be essentially unimportant with the status module, you can’t keep track of everyone.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vita VKO

The main thing is that their use for civilian purposes would be economically feasible and profitable

What are civil goals, dear, if these two boats are fighting? They can be called anything you like, even Scientific laboratories for the study of the ocean floor ... but for yourself, dig information about these submarines.
These are special submarines. And there is an opinion that these will be carriers of Status 6. By the way, take a look at one of the robots that such boats will carry ...

Underwater Robot Klavisin.
Nothing comes to mind, no?

[jjj]

I would just like to recall that in Severodvinsk, boats are not designed, but built and repaired. And all the design and technical documentation comes from St. Petersburg. In Severodvinsk, it is tied to the conditions of production

[iliitchitch]

Quote: NEXUS

Underwater Robot Klavisin.

Why not a cexophone? They’ll call the piano, they’ll call it that. You won’t take off when it sticks.

[bogart047]

phew, well, finally. It is high time. It’s just not clear what this guy is poking at the monitor with a barcode scanner ...))

[Liberoid-]

Quote: bogart047

phew, well, finally. It is high time. It’s just not clear what this guy is poking at the monitor with a barcode scanner ...))

He scanned the layout and it appeared on the monitor screen ... So probably!

[Homo]

Quote: bogart047

It’s just not clear what this guy is poking at the monitor with a barcode scanner ...))

Are there really only barcode scanners? Or do your knowledge end with these scanners?

[St Petrov]

there are also marks on the layout body. some. apparently for the scanner that he holds

[Altona]

And before all the pencil documentation was chtoli? Just now digitized and created 3D models? The computer is a great thing, but so far it cannot surpass the Soviet engineer.

[bubalik]

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Today, 19: 01
And before all the pencil documentation was chtoli? Just digitized and created 3D-models? The computer is a great thing, but so far it cannot surpass the Soviet engineer. hi

,, yes it was, drew with pencils

[jjj]

Quote: bubalik

drew with pencils

Pencils "Koh-I-Noor"

[fa2998]

Something I don’t like these 3D models. I went on the Internet and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet. Yes, and hacking systems will not surprise anyone. Previously, all drawings with the heading "secret", "for official use", were also stitched in iron safes sealed. And now in the yard is a "consumer society".

[Glory1974]

Something I don’t like these 3D models. I went online and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet.

New times, new rules. Previously, secrets were written on paper, then on microfilm, then on flash drives, now through the network. New silent-silent should be.

[Cat man null]

Quote: fa2998

I went on the Internet and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet. Yes, and hacking systems will not surprise anyone

- in the "serious offices" involved, for example, in space (or defense, or something-there-still-very-secret) there is no Internet. That is not at all.
- therefore, for example, "hacking the network" in such an office is impossible, the network is closed to itself
- Flash drives and other external drives cannot be connected to the working computer there. Either stupidly there are no connectors, or there is a "biting dog" (such a program, there are many and varying degrees of "biting")
- therefore, copying something from a working computer is also impossible.

That's about as

[Liberoid-]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- in the "serious offices" involved, for example, in space (or defense, or something-there-still-very-secret) there is no Internet. That is not at all.

That's right ... And if there is, then a separate computer and then shaking, as if something did not bring ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Liberoid

That's right ... And if there is, then a separate computer and then shaking, as if something did not bring ...

- I worked last year with such an office ... The comet is called
- just those same satellites
- the Internet - only with a large bosses, and then - on separate computers (laptops)
- The enterprise network does not have access to the Internet. From the word "completely."

In this way

[Liberoid-]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Liberoid

That's right ... And if there is, then a separate computer and then shaking, as if something did not bring ...

- I worked last year with such an office ... The comet is called
- just those same satellites
- the Internet - only with a large bosses, and then - on separate computers (laptops)
- The enterprise network does not have access to the Internet. From the word "completely."

In this way

Now I understand why the Cat our companions sometimes fall .. (joke ..)))
Today the news flashed, the cause of the Proton accident ... Take a deeper air ... Ready? Attendants scraped the gold (stolen) from the contacts of the rocket and closed something ... I would not be surprised if it turns out that they bought gold from gypsies for rocket-carrier microcircuits and satellites ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Liberoid

Now I understand why the Cat our companions sometimes fall .. (joke ..)))

- I did not touch the satellites. I’m more and more planning and economic management, yes to the computer

Quote: Liberoid

... the cause of the Proton accident ... Attendants scraped (stolen) gold from the contacts of the rocket and closed something ...

- IMHO Gonevo
- the contacts are covered with gold, because it is a good conductor
- so it would be more accurate to close with him ...

Again journalist messed up something, stopudovo

[Liberoid-]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Liberoid

Now I understand why the Cat our companions sometimes fall .. (joke ..)))

- I did not touch the satellites. I’m more and more planning and economic management, yes to the computer

Quote: Liberoid

... the cause of the Proton accident ... Attendants scraped (stolen) gold from the contacts of the rocket and closed something ...

- IMHO Gonevo
- the contacts are covered with gold, because it is a good conductor
- so it would be more accurate to close with him ...

Again journalist messed up something, stopudovo

The cat is interesting to talk with you ... Normally wrote! And you won’t find fault, and I don’t want to do something .. I’m smart and you write like without ambition ..

[Homo]

Quote: Liberoid

Today the news flashed, the cause of the Proton accident ... Take a deeper air ... Ready? The attendants scraped (stolen) the gold from the contacts of the rocket and closed something ... I won’t be surprised if it turns out that they bought gold from gypsies for rocket-carrier circuits and satellites ...

Well, you and the storyteller! So distort the news! It would be better if they were silent, they would look smarter!

[210ox]

I want to add that smartphones are also forbidden .. You will be surprised, but even at our plant for processing sunflower it is forbidden. Even at the neighboring pig farm .. Why? Yes, all simple people should work at work.

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: fa2998

I went on the Internet and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet. Yes, and hacking systems will not surprise anyone

- in the "serious offices" involved, for example, in space (or defense, or something-there-still-very-secret) there is no Internet. That is not at all.
- therefore, for example, "hacking the network" in such an office is impossible, the network is closed to itself
- Flash drives and other external drives cannot be connected to the working computer there. Either stupidly there are no connectors, or there is a "biting dog" (such a program, there are many and varying degrees of "biting")
- therefore, copying something from a working computer is also impossible.

That's about as

[himRa]

Quote: 210ox

I want to add that smartphones are also forbidden .. You will be surprised, but even at our plant for processing sunflower it is forbidden. Even at the neighboring pig farm .. Why? Yes, all simple people should work at work.

Temka somehow, got up, undeservedly
Stupidity and stupidity is ... a management team! because a person works for material and moral stimulation; if the mat. stimulus falls, then the mor. stimulus must be compensated. Well, it’s easier for people to have, "visibility," the cares of the management or they will run!
there will be a flow, despite even the countryside
It must be done to people. I didn’t use it myself — there are cameras everywhere and nobody canceled snitches ....
With regard to industrial safety, this is done elementarily, as a colleague has already said.

Quote: Cat Man Null

- in the "serious offices" involved, for example, in space (or defense, or something-there-still-very-secret) there is no Internet. That is not at all.
- therefore, for example, "hacking the network" in such an office is impossible, the network is closed to itself
- Flash drives and other external drives cannot be connected to the working computer there. Either stupidly there are no connectors, or there is a "biting dog" (such a program, there are many and varying degrees of "biting")
- therefore, copying something from a working computer is also impossible.

I will add that all posts (workplaces) are divided by access level and even the President does not have absolute access because he does not need to know how part 12106 is made
he can get access to the characteristics of the boat which is logical ..
and as soon as someone tries to get unusual accesses, this fixes the program, then the person finds himself under a more thorough cap
if something serious, then the cap is longer and denser (its contacts and their contacts will be tracked) and believe me! the innocent is not touched and the perpetrator will be punished for a specific crime
Now, as for the 3D model, it’s a little wrong news that it was already a long time ago in the manufacture of individual units and parts (as soon as CNC machines appeared (programmable)
as has already been said about the machines (manufacturing), but the whole boat is not done in SevMash but there are many dual-purpose parts and there are suppliers
example: a 36 volt bulb does not have a mode on it and there is no need for modeling
computer modeling has long been used in design
It seems to me that there was some kind of union of disparate functions presented as creating a 3D model (to simplify understanding)

[Locksmith]

Quote: fa2998

Something I don’t like these 3D models. I went online and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet.

The 3D model of such an object has an enormous volume, even they will specially give it an info on it.
It’s like an anti-theft device in the form of wet gravel poured out in the winter, in the cold under the garage door. He sees an eye and his eye goes blank.

[Dart2027]

Quote: fa2998

Yes, and hacking systems will not surprise anyone

Computers with sensitive information do not have access to an open network.

[In100gram]

Quote: fa2998

Something I don’t like these 3D models. I went on the Internet and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet. Yes, and hacking systems will not surprise anyone. Previously, all drawings with the heading "secret", "for official use", were also stitched in iron safes sealed. And now in the yard is a "consumer society".

And how do you plan to program machines? The second step, increasing design time? Z-d design allows you to get rid of many errors and not docking in the project even before the head ship is embodied in metal, without unnecessary costs, in a few mouse movements 21 century in the yard. And information leaks can be completely eliminated, there are methods and relevant people for this.

[jjj]

I remember that at the turn of the century in the Severodvinsk NIPTB "Onega" masks were staged at the request of overseas software manufacturers, they say 3D-design is not on officially purchased programs. How then the police were not put there

[Banishing liberoids]

Excuse me, but what is unusual in this, or were there no competent pro-programmers? ?? 3D model for compensation now and a group of students will do !!!

[Locksmith]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

3D model for compensation now and a group of students will do !!!

This refers to a computer 3D model of the DRAWINGS of the boat, this is the work of a large and qualified design bureau, while the students are resting.

[sds87]

In the yard 2017. For the first time, a 3D model of the nuclear submarine under construction was created at Sevmash ... It sounds like a sad joke. For many years in engineering, first of all, a step-by-step 3D product model has been created. It is strange that at Sevmash this is considered an innovation.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

Excuse me, but what is unusual in this, or were there no competent pro-programmers? ??

And you estimate the amount of work. To make a full-fledged submarine model is a lot of small models.

[sandroart]

But how can one build without it then using the spear method? Therefore, they build ships hellishly for us. In the whole world, design takes a long time, and construction is fast, and only here it is the other way around.

[ver_]

... Todys were sliders .. and, khe arithmometers ..

[iliitchitch]

The main thing is Trump's insomnia. Do not sleep, deer! don't sleep! While he doesn’t sleep, our girls sleep peacefully. And we’ll find these ways to kick off ... Sixth as an option.

[Samy]

And how did they work before that ?! Well this is what the deadlines and what volumes of documentation .... therefore, and build for so long.

[siemens7774]

fa 2998 You are wrong. These computers do not even have access to the network. Such rooms are shielded from cables passing nearby in rooms where there are cars with tyrnet

[Altona]

Quote: fa2998

Something I don’t like these 3D models.

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A 3D model is a good thing if the production is well automated. If a large share of manual labor, then the 3D model does not particularly take root, since there is no ideal in production. There are no correct machines for profiles, there is no elemental base of hardware and fasteners, and there are a lot of things, except for communication with a locksmith or a universal machine tool.

[rotor]

They are on the culmins, they still drew something, that’s the achievement.

At this pace, in 20 years the first industrial robot will be introduced.

[rotor]

[opus]

Quote: rotor

They are on the culmins, they still drew something, that’s the achievement.

if something, then with 2002 (!) the Asterisk chose SmarTeam from Dassault Systemes and IBM
https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/general/Terms/Licen
sed-Program-Specifications / ENOVIA / ENOVIA_SmarTeam
_V5R19.pdf
experimented with CATIA 5 on Intel platform

there is an automated system for the design and technological preparation of production (ASK / CCI) “Credo” developed by JSC “SIC ASK”

the “credo” includes a module that provides a direct interface with the “Diana” finite element analysis system developed by the engineers of ANTK im. A.N. Tupolev.

The Diana system allows you to solve a wide class of engineering problems:

- analyze the stress-strain state of structures;
- determine the forms and frequencies of natural vibrations;
- calculate the dynamic response in time;
- determine critical forces and forms of stability loss;
- analyze stationary and non-stationary temperature fields;
- calculate aeroelasticity;
- solve nonlinear problems;
- simulate fracture mechanics;
- optimize designs.

with her help: finite element model of the overlapping of the Luzhniki Grand Sports Arena

Specialized CAD tools for shipbuilding at CSoft - ESG Bureau based on Autodesk products
Shipmodel

OJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard, St. Petersburg,
OJSC "PO Sevmash", Severodvinsk,
Shipbuilding Center Zvyozdochka OJSC, Severodvinsk.
Automated sheet cutting editor UPNEST

UPEDITOR thermal cutting control program editor

Experimental Shipyard OJSC, Tyumen;
OJSC Severnaya Verf Shipyard, St. Petersburg;
OJSC “PO Sevmash”, Severodvinsk;
Shipbuilding Center Zvyozdochka OJSC, Severodvinsk;
OJSC Baltic Plant, St. Petersburg;
OJSC "Yaroslavl Shipbuilding Plant", Yaroslavl;
Dalzavod OJSC, holding company, Vladivostok;
OJSC "Plant Nizhny Novgorod Motor Ship", Bor;
JSC "Red Barricades", shipbuilding plant, Astrakhan;
Sea Tech LLC, Nizhny Novgorod;
OJSC "Vyborg Shipbuilding Plant";
LLC Nevsky Shipbuilding Shiprepair Yard, Shlisselburg;
LLC VolgoKaspiysky PKB, Nizhny Novgorod;
OJSC "SredneNevsky Shipbuilding Plant", St. Petersburg;
Baltremmash LLC, Kaliningrad;
Maritim LLC, Kaliningrad;
StealCAD, Norway;
Vik & Sandvik, Norway;
Havyard, Croatia;
BMV, Norway;
WSY, Lithuania;
Euroyachting OJSC, Moscow;
Rybinsk Shipyard “Vympel”, Rybinsk;
SevStal OJSC, St. Petersburg;
JSC "Ship repair corporation", Gorodets;
OakWell Shipyard Co., Ltd, Thailand;
FSEI HPE Astrakhan State Technical University, Astrakhan;
CJSC "Plant of metal structures", St. Petersburg.


in general, there was bCAD An integrated package for two-dimensional drawing, volume modeling and realistic visualization for a wide range of users - engineers, architects and designers (developed since 1992 of the year).

[APASUS]

Honestly, in the 90th year, I saw such a 3 D model at the construction site at Metra inzeniring, during the construction of the plant. Where you can see how to build the building every day, make plans for the next shift, get a real picture of the backlog, you can separate engineering structures or Wall panels .
I’ve been wondering if it’s too late for us to take up this simulation.

[faterdom]

The nuclear submarine is much more complicated than any building in the world, and even a spaceship.
Therefore, if you still defeated the full 3D model - this is really an achievement. Breakthrough, kind of. For the design of each boat, even one project, is a huge array of work that requires very time and very money. And if all this can be reduced - this is a real plus!

[opus]

Quote: faterdom

The nuclear submarine is much more complicated than any building in the world, and even a spaceship.

Well this is unlikely. Even an aircraft (a plane is harder)

Quote: faterdom

I’ve been wondering if it’s too late for us to take up this simulation.

very
Although 26.04.2002 was opened by the Competence Center by IBM and Dassault Systemes. The center, called the CATIA Shipbuilding Center, which focuses not only on engineering design, but also on integrated product life management (PLM) solutions.
At the conference (opening), the introduction of CATIA presented deputy chief designer for CAD GUP Zvyozdochka. and this is in 2002!

Since 1995-1996 CATIA systems (Dassault Systemes / IBM) a complete integrated solution, including the design of shipbuilding and industrial technological facilities (AEC Plant & Ship), precise geometric modeling of mechanical engineering products and assemblies (Mechanical CATIA), project development management (ENOVIA PDM / VPM) and full working integration of the listed components works
*in Europe
Cherbourg CMN shipyard in France (high-speed warships, passenger ferries and pleasure yachts);
Meyer Werft in Germany (passenger liners of the highest class, various types of ferries, gas carriers);
Delta Marin in Finland (interior design of shipboard, propulsion systems);
ROYAL DUTCH NAVY in the Netherlands;
UK Ministry of Defense (GRC, SEA) in England and a number of other European companies (Farnest, Thomson CSF, Fincantieri, etc.).
*in America
General Dynamics Bath Iron Works (warships, destroyers);
General Dynamics Electric Boat and Newport News Shipbuilding (Virginia-class nuclear submarines);
Lockheed Martin GES;
Litton-Ingalls Shipbuilding;
Naval Sea System Command;
NAVSEA, Avondale, George Sharpe et al.
*in Asia
Vienkong shipyard in China (tankers and bulk carriers);
Australian Defense Industry, Royal Australian Navy, Tenix in Australia;
Samsung Heavy Industries, SDARI, NKK, etc.

Of course in aviation

And auto industry

and many more where

There are: Tribon, Foran or NAPA systems were initially oriented to shipbuilders and worked out to the smallest detail with numerous shipbuilding customers.

Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding, America Bureau of Shipping, BAE System Submarine Solution, Hyundai Heavy Industry, Samsung Heavy Industry, Yamaha Marine Co. Ltd., Larsen & Toubro Ltd., MARTEC, SMK Ingenieurburo GmbH, General Dynamics Electric Boat, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and many others use Altair HyperWorks platform

Quote: Author

For the first time, an 3D model of a submarine under construction was created at Sevmash

And where is the model?
A26 (c) Saab Kockums

[sandroart]

That's the whole point, that the 3D model allows you to compose and accurately calculate the design, and not see in the drawing, but in reality how and what will happen from any angle and section. And it’s not about how it is arranged, but in principle designing.

[Veteran]

Khabarovsk has been under construction since the 2014 of the year, the 3 of the year has passed - the 3D model of the building is being created (not created!), Programs have been developed for creating the planning documentation for the construction. Is this for a special submarine - megaspec construction periods? After all, this boat should have been launched next year.

[vov4ik_zver]

The photo really delivered: -first the carpenter sawed a modelka out of a tree, then three (three, Karl!) Young talents digitize it with a hand-held 3D scanner. Progress pancake.

[Flinky]

I hope our software was?

[himRa]

Quote: Flinky

I hope our software was?

talking on the phone
- where is your apartment?
- Well, as you enter the building immediately on the stairs and to me ...
to whom the question is ? you do not quote anyone, do not participate in the discussion thread

[Whisper]

I think the main achievement of 3D assembly is that there is an understanding of how any part is assembled, in what sequence, and all this can be assembled and disassembled in the order of technological assembly. Try to assemble a million parts on paper. This is tens of millions of man hours and a lot of mistakes. And then there are rumors that, apart from Vasya’s welder with a triple fracture of his left hand, no one can normally weld a pipeline. This is precisely due to the lack of 3D models.

[Altona]

Quote: APASUS

I’ve been wondering if it’s too late for us to take up this simulation.

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Why late. The later you take, the newer the version will be mastered.

[dubowitskij.vick]

Quote: glory1974

Something I don’t like these 3D models. I went online and leaked all the information to the other end of the planet.

New times, new rules. Previously, secrets were written on paper, then on microfilm, then on flash drives, now through the network. New silent-silent should be.

Do not worry. Such computers are integrated into the local intranet and do not have Internet access. I suspect that the operating system used on them does not dock, and therefore is not susceptible to hacking, even when transferring something there on a USB flash drive.

[sandroart]

Even late, they switch to BIM design, lag behind for years on 15-20, ay

[Engineer engineer]

I have been working at ProEngineer for 15 years. Analysis, preparation and release of documentation, "output" to CNC processing. All in one bottle.
I don’t know the personnel capabilities of the military-industrial complex, but there should not be a problem with a set of a sufficient number of “modelers”.
And by this, it was strange for me to read all this.