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180-mm C-23 guns continue to fight in Syria

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The Syrian army in the fight against terrorists continues to use one of the most powerful weapons in the world - the 180-mm cannon C-23, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


180-mm C-23 guns continue to fight in Syria


“Currently, government troops have a fairly significant arsenal of weapons of destruction. These are, first of all, all kinds of missile systems, artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. However, the C-23 gun occupies a special place. The Syrians have not too many such guns - less than a dozen, but they also make a worthy contribution to the fight against terrorist groups, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

Earlier this weapon impressed foreign experts with its range. “A conventional high-explosive fragmentation projectile with a mass of 88 kg can destroy targets at a distance greater than 30 km. A specially designed active-projectile flies even farther — almost 44 km, ”the article notes.

Experts attribute the main drawbacks of the gun to its considerable weight - more than 21 tons, numerous calculations (16 people) and low rate of fire - no more than one shot per minute. However, the Syrians are in no hurry to send a gun "to retire." Thanks to the considerable stock of ammunition created by them, the gun will remain in service for a long time.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 6 December 2016 15: 11
    +7
    "Thanks to the significant stock of ammunition they have created, the gun will remain in service for a long time."

    And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 December 2016 15: 37
      +7
      Vo-in and I first thought about the trunks.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 6 December 2016 15: 43
        +16
        Enough for the current war. And then you can have a well-deserved rest.
        1. Marksman
          Marksman 6 December 2016 18: 31
          +2
          It is strange how the Syrians did not try to put on these MAN any pathetic 20 tons)))
          1. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 6 December 2016 23: 39
            +2
            and how to tie it to a car? recoil a few tons will
    2. Leo7777
      Leo7777 6 December 2016 16: 00
      +4
      If possible, you can squander, install a liner
      1. NOMADE
        NOMADE 6 December 2016 16: 12
        +2
        well, go ahead, sharpen ...
        what nonsense ?!
        1. Leo7777
          Leo7777 6 December 2016 16: 16
          +4
          Before you say that nonsense, study the topic
      2. Alf
        Alf 6 December 2016 18: 07
        0
        Quote: Leo7777
        If possible, you can squander, install a liner

        Do they have the equipment for this?
      3. Amurets
        Amurets 7 December 2016 00: 01
        +2
        Quote: Leo7777
        If possible, you can squander, install a liner

        What for? This gun has a barrel with a free pipe.
        Soon, one S-33 howitzer was converted to S-23 (replaced the free pipe and made a number of minor alterations). Thus, only 180 mm guns became nine.
        And so, on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU at the Barrikady plant (No. 221), they urgently began to restore the production of S-23. It was not easy to do this, since a significant part of the documentation and technical equipment was lost. Nevertheless, the plant team successfully coped with the task. Until 1971, twelve 180-mm S-23 guns were manufactured for Syria.
        http://www.dogswar.ru/artilleriia/pyshki-gaybicy/
        7475-180-mm-pyshka-s-23-.html
    3. Mikado
      Mikado 6 December 2016 16: 22
      +16
      as I understand it, there were 12 guns originally delivered to Syria. How much is a big question.
      For its time, the gun was a masterpiece, one of the last masterpieces of Grabin, almost the last. But .. Khrushchev believed that it was better to produce rockets, and therefore, until the mid-60s, barrel artillery was in the pen. When it was necessary to develop nuclear shells for artillery, for lack of better samples, they began to develop such shells for .. howitzer B-4, however, howitzers were already converted to wheeled instead of tracked.


      New post-war models of guns, incl. self-propelled - this is already the "flower family" adopted under Brezhnev.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2016 16: 29
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?

      The Syrians do not have too many such weapons - less than a dozen articles hi
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 6 December 2016 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        less than a dozen articles

        Sasha, these are about a dozen guns, but they tend to shoot barrels, and with such a serious caliber, they are fast enough and it seems to me that they are not in stock. Hey. hi
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 6 December 2016 19: 40
          +5
          Vladimirets, it seems at Shirokorad, met information that the resource for such a caliber is about 300 shots (possibly a typo), and then shooting across areas and accuracy will be 0, some tenths. True, with such a caliber, and "shooting in areas" is effective
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 6 December 2016 19: 44
            +1
            Quote: Monarchist
            300 shots (possibly a typo)

            Probably.
            Quote: Monarchist
            with such a caliber and "shooting in the area" is effective

            This is not shooting at squares, but somewhere there.
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 7 December 2016 01: 03
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Sasha, these are about a dozen guns, but they tend to shoot barrels, and with such a serious caliber, they are fast enough and it seems to me that they are not in stock. Hey.

          Check out this stuff. The free tube changes easily.
          https://topwar.ru/18364-pushka-s-23-52-p-572.html
    5. costolom
      costolom 7 December 2016 02: 19
      +1
      * Less than a dozen ...
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 December 2016 15: 11
    +5
    It's just a cruiser weapon! We were on cruisers like "Kirov", very long-range and accurate.
  3. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 6 December 2016 15: 12
    +20
    The weapon in Syria speaks for itself, if used, it means that it proved to be the best. Involuntarily, he takes pride in the USSR — Soviet weapons are still being massively used! Able to do!
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 6 December 2016 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      still Soviet weapons are massively used! Able to do!

      it’s from poverty, in the 41st year the units leaving for the front armed with weapons of the 1st World War, they even used culled trunks from trilines, but nobody admires it. But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?
      1. Banishing liberoids
        Banishing liberoids 6 December 2016 15: 28
        +7
        Veteran66-probably removed because of the low rate of fire, a large servant, and a heavy gun, it’s difficult to carry it, it's not self-propelled hi
        1. veteran66
          veteran66 6 December 2016 15: 43
          0
          Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
          probably removed

          Well, what is good?
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 6 December 2016 16: 32
            +11
            Yes, the same thing is good - "... low rate of fire, great servants, and a heavy weapon ...". We are not in a hurry, we are not in a hurry, we drive the young - we train.
            Obviously, the shaitan-arba will not pull this trunk from a position. So, you can first run away, then run away - and the bandura both stood and still stands. Not a single American adviser will understand how this scrap metal can shoot and how to handle it.
            And then - junk, junk .... the very thing that you need. Tama.
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 6 December 2016 19: 47
              +1
              Quote: Bashibuzuk
              just what you need. Tama.

              best comment, thanks, neighing))
      2. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 6 December 2016 15: 43
        +3
        Quote: veteran66
        But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?

        N.S. Khrushchev and his passion for rocket systems. Just at his time, there was a stoppage of production (the first series went in the 1955th, restored in the 1970s). And in the 90s, you understand, we were not up to such tools.
      3. indeveral
        indeveral 6 December 2016 15: 47
        +17
        Do you know that the main armament of both the Wehrmacht and the Western countries was also a development of the 1st world? And then the fools did not hesitate to this, but fought with varying degrees of skill. So the garbage is not a port. All developed countries, creating new weapons, create mobilization reserves for decades. Even now. rifles of the first world are quite in some warehouses both here and in Germany and the USA.
        1. veteran66
          veteran66 6 December 2016 15: 59
          +1
          Quote: indeveral
          And then the fools are not embarrassed by this, but fought with varying degrees of skill

          the question is not who fought with what, but that the weapons removed from armament are in no way better than accepted and are used forcibly.
          Quote: indeveral
          the main armament of both the Wehrmacht and Western countries was also a development of the 1st world

          and which of them was withdrawn from service?
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 6 December 2016 16: 03
          +5
          Imagine I DIDN'T KNOW! But not everything was so simple in the Third German KINGDOM!
          "On June 1, 1927, the Army Armaments Department (Heerswaffenamt) decided to begin development of an improved version of the standard 105-mm leFH 16 howitzer. Work on the howitzer was carried out by the Rheinmetall concern. Already during the development it became clear that the weapon would be real new, and not just a modification of the previous model. The main improvements were dictated by the requirements of the military to increase the firing range and horizontal guidance. To solve the first problem, a longer barrel was used - initially 25 calibers, and in the final version - 28 calibers. The second problem was solved by using a gun carriage new design, based on a similar unit of the 75-mm long-range cannon WFK, which did not go into series.

          By 1930, the development of a new howitzer was completed and trials began. Both design and testing were carried out in strict secrecy. In order to disguise the creation of a new artillery system, it received the official name 10,5 cm leichte Feldhaubitze 18–10,5 cm light field howitzer mod. 1918, or abbreviated as leFH 18. Officially, the gun was put into service on July 28, 1935 "
          The 150 mm heavy field howitzer sFH 18 (also a la from 1918) was designed and brought to the series from 1927 to 1930!
        3. Alexsasha77
          Alexsasha77 6 December 2016 16: 03
          +3
          I agree. he himself in the warehouses of the RAV saw Maxim, and PPSh and trophy Schmeissers. and not single copies, but shelving.
        4. hohol95
          hohol95 6 December 2016 16: 04
          0
          Read at your leisure - VERMAHTA ARTILLERY
          Kharuk Andrey Ivanovich.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 7 December 2016 00: 15
            0
            Quote: hohol95
            Read at your leisure - VERMAHTA ARTILLERY

            I can add that, bypassing the Versailles restrictions, the Germans developed new types of weapons abroad, in the USSR, Sweden, Switzerland. A joint Soviet-German artillery OKB-2 worked in Moscow, where he began his career as a designer Grabin.
        5. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 8 December 2016 15: 08
          +5
          what is the main armament from the first world? a helmet, a 98k Mauser and a gas mask, that's all that remains of the PMV, do not confuse the Germans with the Britons, they rested on their laurels in the interwar period.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 December 2016 15: 54
        +11
        Quote: veteran66
        But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?

        First, the voluntarism of the NSC with the rocketization of everything and everything, which had just cut into the C-23 series. And then, when the rocket euphoria subsided, instead of 180 mm they made a more mobile 203 mm 2C7.
        That could not S-23 is ok to serve.
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      6. DMB_95
        DMB_95 6 December 2016 18: 17
        0
        Quote: veteran66
        . the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament if it is so good?

        Are you sure that this gun was removed from service in the Syrian army?
  4. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 6 December 2016 15: 22
    +2
    In war, all means are good, especially shooting. It's good that there are stocks of shells. And then the caliber is not very running.
  5. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 6 December 2016 15: 26
    +2
    In war, all means are good. If there is nothing better (new), you can roll out the PMV guns smile
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 6 December 2016 16: 52
      +3
      Right Near Moscow, in the 41st, even museum three-inches from the XNUMXth century were used against tanks. Directed through the barrel.
  6. Engineer
    Engineer 6 December 2016 15: 28
    +3
    Grabinsky triplex C-23 (Stalin), C-33 and S-43: 180mm, 210mm and 280mm.
  7. Dekabrist
    Dekabrist 6 December 2016 15: 46
    +2
    In order not to go far, on the VO website for 1 September 2012 of the year there is a detailed description of this gun.
  8. Leo7777
    Leo7777 6 December 2016 15: 58
    +1
    Quote: ShadowCat
    N.S. Khrushchev and his passion for rocket systems. Just at his time, there was a stoppage of production (the first series went in the 1955th, restored in the 1970s). And in the 90s, you understand, we were not up to such tools.

    It makes no sense to do art. 150mm guns, this is the most optimal in terms of rate of fire, accuracy, price
  9. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2016 16: 22
    0
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Enough for the current war. And then you can have a well-deserved rest.

    The reference book for 2013 (i.e., at the end of 2012) gives 10 S-23 units. Almost 4 years have passed. How much is now available is unknown
  10. Humpty
    Humpty 6 December 2016 16: 38
    +3
    Apparently, the Russian army is slowly getting rid of this weapon and its usual ammunition. Delivered to where it is needed now or may be needed in the foreseeable future. Strengthening the Allied defenses is a good thing. Allies, however, are not always adequate in relation to Russia, I do not mean the Syrians.
  11. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2016 17: 07
    +1
    Quote: Mikado
    as I understand it, there were 12 guns originally delivered to Syria ..

    Initially 36 pieces were delivered. For one artillery brigade
  12. PValery53
    PValery53 6 December 2016 18: 00
    +1
    Syrians! Thoroughly clean your artillery workaholics - 180-mm S-23 guns, and they will serve you faithfully for as long as possible! - Will "feed" the enemies "to their best!"
  13. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 6 December 2016 20: 25
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets

    2
    Vladimir Today, 15: 11
    "Thanks to the significant stock of ammunition they have created, the gun will remain in service for a long time."

    And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?

    That "a lot", I'm not sure, but I am sure that the delivery set was according to the standards of the Soviet Army, i.e. with a repair kit, including barrels.
    Another thing is that their resource is scanty. wrote that 300 shots. I believe, because the American 155mm self-propelled resource had 500 shots, while the S-23 was definitely less.
    S-23 was developed for counter-battery shooting at 175mm American self-propelled long-range guns. The experience was not entirely successful.
    For modern warfare, the S-23 is a rather stupid construction. I just can’t imagine how this gun can be used effectively in Syria. Even if you use a spotter, when firing at a long range, this gun is only suitable for hitting stationary targets of a large area and with a high consumption of ammunition.
    In Syria, a 152mm howitzer D-20 would be much more effective.
    Even a 122mm old M-30 battery would be several times more efficient and cheaper than this mastodon. Moreover, the M-30 barrel is not killed at all. During the Second World War, they learned at the factory that one of the M-30 howitzers allegedly fired 11000 rounds at the front (I personally cannot believe this figure). This howitzer was returned to the factory for study. They came to the conclusion that she retained the combat properties, she was painted again and, like a new one, was sent back to the front.
  14. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 December 2016 20: 40
    0
    Due to the significant stock of ammunition they created, the gun will remain in service for a long time.

    Not only the Syrians merit that so far there are enough shells.
  15. Sasha75
    Sasha75 6 December 2016 22: 50
    0
    I read that they could not use it, because there was little ammunition and some had expired shelf life of gunpowders. Naval guns 180mm had a small resource of up to 80 shots, but this is until the Second World War. We drove up ammunition, and we could bring trunks, although I don’t think that they shouldn’t be in the gun kit.
    The 180-mm ship’s gun B-1-K is a Soviet ship’s gun of 180 mm caliber. The B-1-K type guns in the MK-1-180 single-gun tower installations were armed with the light cruiser Red Caucasus. The deficiencies identified during the operation led to the development of the B-1-P 180-mm gun based on the B-1-K, which armed the light cruisers of projects 26 and 26 bis.
  16. nivander
    nivander 7 December 2016 06: 29
    0
    By the way, the Americans considered for a long time that the S-23 has a caliber of 203mm until the yazrei provided them with a trophy cannon and caliper (ШЦ-1)