180-mm C-23 guns continue to fight in Syria

The Syrian army in the fight against terrorists continues to use one of the most powerful weapons in the world - the 180-mm cannon C-23, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

“Currently, government troops have a fairly significant arsenal of weapons of destruction. These are, first of all, all kinds of missile systems, artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. However, the C-23 gun occupies a special place. The Syrians have not too many such guns - less than a dozen, but they also make a worthy contribution to the fight against terrorist groups, ”writes the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

Earlier this weapon impressed foreign experts with its range. “A conventional high-explosive fragmentation projectile with a mass of 88 kg can destroy targets at a distance greater than 30 km. A specially designed active-projectile flies even farther — almost 44 km, ”the article notes.

Experts attribute the main drawbacks of the gun to its considerable weight - more than 21 tons, numerous calculations (16 people) and low rate of fire - no more than one shot per minute. However, the Syrians are in no hurry to send a gun "to retire." Thanks to the considerable stock of ammunition created by them, the gun will remain in service for a long time.

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[Vladimirets]

"Thanks to the significant stock of ammunition they have created, the gun will remain in service for a long time."

And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?

[Kent0001]

Vo-in and I first thought about the trunks.

[oleg-gr]

Enough for the current war. And then you can have a well-deserved rest.

[Marksman]

It is strange how the Syrians did not try to put on these MAN any pathetic 20 tons)))

[seregatara1969]

and how to tie it to a car? recoil a few tons will

[Leo7777]

If possible, you can squander, install a liner

[NOMADE]

well, go ahead, sharpen ...
what nonsense ?!

[Leo7777]

Before you say that nonsense, study the topic

[Alf]

Quote: Leo7777

If possible, you can squander, install a liner

Do they have the equipment for this?

[Amurets]

Quote: Leo7777

If possible, you can squander, install a liner

What for? This gun has a barrel with a free pipe.
Soon, one S-33 howitzer was converted to S-23 (replaced the free pipe and made a number of minor alterations). Thus, only 180 mm guns became nine.
And so, on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU at the Barrikady plant (No. 221), they urgently began to restore the production of S-23. It was not easy to do this, since a significant part of the documentation and technical equipment was lost. Nevertheless, the plant team successfully coped with the task. Until 1971, twelve 180-mm S-23 guns were manufactured for Syria.
http://www.dogswar.ru/artilleriia/pyshki-gaybicy/
7475-180-mm-pyshka-s-23-.html

[Mikado]

as I understand it, there were 12 guns originally delivered to Syria. How much is a big question.
For its time, the gun was a masterpiece, one of the last masterpieces of Grabin, almost the last. But .. Khrushchev believed that it was better to produce rockets, and therefore, until the mid-60s, barrel artillery was in the pen. When it was necessary to develop nuclear shells for artillery, for lack of better samples, they began to develop such shells for .. howitzer B-4, however, howitzers were already converted to wheeled instead of tracked.


New post-war models of guns, incl. self-propelled - this is already the "flower family" adopted under Brezhnev.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vladimirets

And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?

The Syrians do not have too many such weapons - less than a dozen articles

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

less than a dozen articles

Sasha, these are about a dozen guns, but they tend to shoot barrels, and with such a serious caliber, they are fast enough and it seems to me that they are not in stock. Hey.

[Monarchist]

Vladimirets, it seems at Shirokorad, met information that the resource for such a caliber is about 300 shots (possibly a typo), and then shooting across areas and accuracy will be 0, some tenths. True, with such a caliber, and "shooting in areas" is effective

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Monarchist

300 shots (possibly a typo)

Probably.

Quote: Monarchist

with such a caliber and "shooting in the area" is effective

This is not shooting at squares, but somewhere there.

[Amurets]

Quote: Vladimirets

Sasha, these are about a dozen guns, but they tend to shoot barrels, and with such a serious caliber, they are fast enough and it seems to me that they are not in stock. Hey.

Check out this stuff. The free tube changes easily.
https://topwar.ru/18364-pushka-s-23-52-p-572.html

[costolom]

* Less than a dozen ...

[Mountain shooter]

It's just a cruiser weapon! We were on cruisers like "Kirov", very long-range and accurate.

[Banishing liberoids]

The weapon in Syria speaks for itself, if used, it means that it proved to be the best. Involuntarily, he takes pride in the USSR — Soviet weapons are still being massively used! Able to do!

[veteran66]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

still Soviet weapons are massively used! Able to do!

it’s from poverty, in the 41st year the units leaving for the front armed with weapons of the 1st World War, they even used culled trunks from trilines, but nobody admires it. But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?

[Banishing liberoids]

Veteran66-probably removed because of the low rate of fire, a large servant, and a heavy gun, it’s difficult to carry it, it's not self-propelled

[veteran66]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

probably removed

Well, what is good?

[Bashibuzuk]

Yes, the same thing is good - "... low rate of fire, great servants, and a heavy weapon ...". We are not in a hurry, we are not in a hurry, we drive the young - we train.
Obviously, the shaitan-arba will not pull this trunk from a position. So, you can first run away, then run away - and the bandura both stood and still stands. Not a single American adviser will understand how this scrap metal can shoot and how to handle it.
And then - junk, junk .... the very thing that you need. Tama.

[veteran66]

Quote: Bashibuzuk

just what you need. Tama.

best comment, thanks, neighing))

[Shadowcat]

Quote: veteran66

But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?

N.S. Khrushchev and his passion for rocket systems. Just at his time, there was a stoppage of production (the first series went in the 1955th, restored in the 1970s). And in the 90s, you understand, we were not up to such tools.

[indeveral]

Do you know that the main armament of both the Wehrmacht and the Western countries was also a development of the 1st world? And then the fools did not hesitate to this, but fought with varying degrees of skill. So the garbage is not a port. All developed countries, creating new weapons, create mobilization reserves for decades. Even now. rifles of the first world are quite in some warehouses both here and in Germany and the USA.

[veteran66]

Quote: indeveral

And then the fools are not embarrassed by this, but fought with varying degrees of skill

the question is not who fought with what, but that the weapons removed from armament are in no way better than accepted and are used forcibly.

Quote: indeveral

the main armament of both the Wehrmacht and Western countries was also a development of the 1st world

and which of them was withdrawn from service?

[hohol95]

Imagine I DIDN'T KNOW! But not everything was so simple in the Third German KINGDOM!
"On June 1, 1927, the Army Armaments Department (Heerswaffenamt) decided to begin development of an improved version of the standard 105-mm leFH 16 howitzer. Work on the howitzer was carried out by the Rheinmetall concern. Already during the development it became clear that the weapon would be real new, and not just a modification of the previous model. The main improvements were dictated by the requirements of the military to increase the firing range and horizontal guidance. To solve the first problem, a longer barrel was used - initially 25 calibers, and in the final version - 28 calibers. The second problem was solved by using a gun carriage new design, based on a similar unit of the 75-mm long-range cannon WFK, which did not go into series.

By 1930, the development of a new howitzer was completed and trials began. Both design and testing were carried out in strict secrecy. In order to disguise the creation of a new artillery system, it received the official name 10,5 cm leichte Feldhaubitze 18–10,5 cm light field howitzer mod. 1918, or abbreviated as leFH 18. Officially, the gun was put into service on July 28, 1935 "
The 150 mm heavy field howitzer sFH 18 (also a la from 1918) was designed and brought to the series from 1927 to 1930!

[Alexsasha77]

I agree. he himself in the warehouses of the RAV saw Maxim, and PPSh and trophy Schmeissers. and not single copies, but shelving.

[hohol95]

Read at your leisure - VERMAHTA ARTILLERY
Kharuk Andrey Ivanovich.

[Amurets]

Quote: hohol95

Read at your leisure - VERMAHTA ARTILLERY

I can add that, bypassing the Versailles restrictions, the Germans developed new types of weapons abroad, in the USSR, Sweden, Switzerland. A joint Soviet-German artillery OKB-2 worked in Moscow, where he began his career as a designer Grabin.

[Warrior with machine gun]

what is the main armament from the first world? a helmet, a 98k Mauser and a gas mask, that's all that remains of the PMV, do not confuse the Germans with the Britons, they rested on their laurels in the interwar period.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: veteran66

But the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament, if it is so good?

First, the voluntarism of the NSC with the rocketization of everything and everything, which had just cut into the C-23 series. And then, when the rocket euphoria subsided, instead of 180 mm they made a more mobile 203 mm 2C7.
That could not S-23 is ok to serve.

[DMB_95]

Quote: veteran66

. the gun is certainly good, but it is not clear why it was removed from the armament if it is so good?

Are you sure that this gun was removed from service in the Syrian army?

[x.andvlad]

In war, all means are good, especially shooting. It's good that there are stocks of shells. And then the caliber is not very running.

[Aleksandr12]

In war, all means are good. If there is nothing better (new), you can roll out the PMV guns

[dzvero]

Right Near Moscow, in the 41st, even museum three-inches from the XNUMXth century were used against tanks. Directed through the barrel.

[Engineer]

Grabinsky triplex C-23 (Stalin), C-33 and S-43: 180mm, 210mm and 280mm.

[Dekabrist]

In order not to go far, on the VO website for 1 September 2012 of the year there is a detailed description of this gun.

[Leo7777]

Quote: ShadowCat

N.S. Khrushchev and his passion for rocket systems. Just at his time, there was a stoppage of production (the first series went in the 1955th, restored in the 1970s). And in the 90s, you understand, we were not up to such tools.

It makes no sense to do art. 150mm guns, this is the most optimal in terms of rate of fire, accuracy, price

[Old26]

Quote: oleg-gr

Enough for the current war. And then you can have a well-deserved rest.

The reference book for 2013 (i.e., at the end of 2012) gives 10 S-23 units. Almost 4 years have passed. How much is now available is unknown

[Humpty]

Apparently, the Russian army is slowly getting rid of this weapon and its usual ammunition. Delivered to where it is needed now or may be needed in the foreseeable future. Strengthening the Allied defenses is a good thing. Allies, however, are not always adequate in relation to Russia, I do not mean the Syrians.

[Old26]

Quote: Mikado

as I understand it, there were 12 guns originally delivered to Syria ..

Initially 36 pieces were delivered. For one artillery brigade

[PValery53]

Syrians! Thoroughly clean your artillery workaholics - 180-mm S-23 guns, and they will serve you faithfully for as long as possible! - Will "feed" the enemies "to their best!"

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vladimirets

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Vladimir Today, 15: 11
"Thanks to the significant stock of ammunition they have created, the gun will remain in service for a long time."

And they also have a lot of trunks in stock?

That "a lot", I'm not sure, but I am sure that the delivery set was according to the standards of the Soviet Army, i.e. with a repair kit, including barrels.
Another thing is that their resource is scanty. wrote that 300 shots. I believe, because the American 155mm self-propelled resource had 500 shots, while the S-23 was definitely less.
S-23 was developed for counter-battery shooting at 175mm American self-propelled long-range guns. The experience was not entirely successful.
For modern warfare, the S-23 is a rather stupid construction. I just can’t imagine how this gun can be used effectively in Syria. Even if you use a spotter, when firing at a long range, this gun is only suitable for hitting stationary targets of a large area and with a high consumption of ammunition.
In Syria, a 152mm howitzer D-20 would be much more effective.
Even a 122mm old M-30 battery would be several times more efficient and cheaper than this mastodon. Moreover, the M-30 barrel is not killed at all. During the Second World War, they learned at the factory that one of the M-30 howitzers allegedly fired 11000 rounds at the front (I personally cannot believe this figure). This howitzer was returned to the factory for study. They came to the conclusion that she retained the combat properties, she was painted again and, like a new one, was sent back to the front.

[Thunderbolt]

Due to the significant stock of ammunition they created, the gun will remain in service for a long time.

Not only the Syrians merit that so far there are enough shells.

[Sasha75]

I read that they could not use it, because there was little ammunition and some had expired shelf life of gunpowders. Naval guns 180mm had a small resource of up to 80 shots, but this is until the Second World War. We drove up ammunition, and we could bring trunks, although I don’t think that they shouldn’t be in the gun kit.
The 180-mm ship’s gun B-1-K is a Soviet ship’s gun of 180 mm caliber. The B-1-K type guns in the MK-1-180 single-gun tower installations were armed with the light cruiser Red Caucasus. The deficiencies identified during the operation led to the development of the B-1-P 180-mm gun based on the B-1-K, which armed the light cruisers of projects 26 and 26 bis.

[nivander]

By the way, the Americans considered for a long time that the S-23 has a caliber of 203mm until the yazrei provided them with a trophy cannon and caliper (ШЦ-1)