"Product 500" in Syria

The Syrian army does not have a sufficient number of modern weapons, so it continues to use outdated, but quite effective equipment, such as the famous “500 Product”, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

“Before the outbreak of the civil war, ZSU-57-2 anti-aircraft self-propelled units were decommissioned and put into storage, therefore the use of self-propelled guns by Syrians initially surprised many military experts, the publication said.

These installations have proven themselves in the Middle East as weaponused precisely for ground targets. During the conflict in Lebanon, for example, Syrian calculations skillfully destroyed snipers entrenched on Beirut skyscrapers.

"The images of this combat vehicle in Syria have not met on the network for a couple of years, but it turns out that the ZSU-57-2 is quite a successful fight against terrorist groups," said the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

The self-propelled gun is armed with a dual 57-mm automatic gun S-68 (rate of fire - 100-120 rounds / min per barrel. The range for firing at ground targets is 4 km. A projectile flying at a speed of 1000 m / s is capable of hitting light armored vehicles and Tanks type T-55 and T-62 on board.

Net weight of the installation - 28 tons, crew - 6 people, Engine power - 520 hp

Comments

[Trevis]

And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs.

[bouncyhunter]

To fry barmaleev with such a "fork" is the very thing !!!

[St Petrov]

capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.

it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live

[Trevis]

Quote: s-t Petrov

it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower,

Interestingly, there have been cases? Theoretically, a defeat on board is possible. But to do this is not easy.

[DMB_95]

There are enough anti-tank weapons there to defeat the tanks available to the IS. And for the destruction of various firing points and snipers from a decent distance - just.

[cap]

Quote: DMB_95

There are enough anti-tank weapons there to defeat the tanks available to the IS. And for the destruction of various firing points and snipers from a decent distance - just.

It is difficult to disagree with you.

[Asadullah]

But to do this is not easy.

What for? It is a weapon against firing points in blocks. There is time for aiming, if the skyscraper, you hit immediately on the lower floors, you will not be mistaken. Demolishes all the partitions and it’s clear who is roaming around the area .... There are other means against armored vehicles, worn on hand.

[igorka357]

Dear Che, you’re talking nonsense, it’s not always blowing over the thickness of 125 mm, as you put it! It’s redundant in brickwork, it can’t even break through concrete blocks! And they don’t build skyscrapers from brick! But in war, like in war!

[Asadullah]

Dear Che, you are talking nonsense,

Are you the same partitioning specialist that everyone is afraid of? Then maybe a respected expert on sopromat, enlighten, what for the partitions? Wooden? Brick? Plasterboard? Blocky? And there are different bricks, different woods, different gypsum, and so on and so forth. Enlighten the astray and the raving. What for 125mm? Armor-piercing, high-explosive fragmentation, what special can? Or are you talking about a jackhammer and a sledgehammer? And tell me more about the war, terribly interesting .....

For the sake of solidarity with the superintendents, I report that a typical concrete frame is being built on the entire BV housing, which is filled with brick partitions. Since the brick there is also very different, then any fighter, after a month b \ d, knows for sure whether the firing point needs to be strengthened with additional rows of bricks, as protection against small arms. Partitions of gypsum and straw are generally stitched throughout the building and are moved there in dashes, from pillar to pillar. Therefore, the machine-gun b / p from 7,62 and higher does not see light partitions at all, and their presence depends only on the density of fire. That is why we see a lot of concrete skeletons of skyscrapers in shots around Syria, not because it is unfinished, but because warning fire for many months has demolished everything that has been piled between concrete frames.

[abrakadabre]

Dear Che, you are talking nonsense, 125mm is not always overturned as you put it!

You would be right, dear, if it was a single shot. And this installation with a rate of fire on the trunk of 100-120 rds / min. able to just saw through a building. Just like a volley from a general aviation gun, say the 30th is not at all equivalent to a single shot from a 30mm gun. Even with the hypothetical use of the same shells.
The consumption of BP in this case is a completely different issue.

[svp67]

Quote: Trevis

Interestingly, there have been cases? Theoretically, a defeat on board is possible. But to do this is not easy.

There were, during the Hungarian events, such a Hungarian self-propelled gun worked for our T-55, his commander, later I was a teacher, told me that she didn’t break through the armor, but the whole crew got a heavy shell shock ...

[Trevis]

So beat in the forehead? And then what happened to her, left?

[svp67]

Quote: Trevis

So beat in the forehead? And then what happened to her, left?

The crew fired at our convoy, after which it threw ...

[Zaurbek]

In the case that your shot is the first ... release two cassettes -8 shells 57mm. If on board or in the back, it will break through and light the tanks. If in the forehead, knock down the caterpillars, sights, and whatever else.

[Giant thought]

Another confirmation of the good quality of Soviet weapons, how old this old woman is, and nothing is still in service and makes a feasible contribution to the victory of the Syrian army over the bearded beast.

[igorka357]

Of course, the USSR-Russia development technique is good, reliable .. cheap and effective, but your comment is not like that from a giant of thoughts! The successful weapons of the Americans of the same model year are also in service, and they are also fighting, so they wrote nonsense!

[Spitfire]

Quote: c-Petrov

capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.

it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live

With a queue of 100 rounds per minute, the crew inside the tank will fly off the coils.

[igorka357]

Yeah, and the crew of the tank will sit and wait when we fly off the coils ..)))

[oleg-gr]

In war, as in war. Everything goes to business. As the saying goes: the gimmick of invention is cunning.

[Su24]

Moreover, it is more effective than Shilka.

[Zaurbek]

depending on what and at what range ....

[igorka357]

Come on..)))

[Zaurbek]

For different purposes, anti-aircraft guns were and were created at different times.

[Karaul73]

Quote: Trevis

And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs.

She would have a shell with a remote detonation. If only the thing were against manpower in urban conditions. True, under the guise of tanks.

[Su24]

Quote: Sentry73

Quote: Trevis

And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs.

She would have a shell with a remote detonation. If only the thing were against manpower in urban conditions. True, under the guise of tanks.

Too yzh bold, given the consumption of shells)

[MaxMelan]

I think that they will. After all, they are going to put 57 militirovka on armored personnel carriers and bmp?

[Navigator Basov]

This does not mean that they will re-equip the ZSU-57-2. For armament with remote detonation, the entire complex is designed, starting from the ammunition and ending with the MSA with a muzzle induction programmer. This will not be on decommissioned equipment, even in Syria. Manually, or something, at a range of cocking each clip?

[Dante Alighieri]

However, the example of five hundred clearly demonstrates to us the fact that the concept of BMPT is conceptually not flawed. Another question is that its physical embodiment does not fully correspond to those tasks that, according to the developers' vision, should be assigned to this type of technology. First of all, it is worth noting that the presence of even a paired installation of 2A42 guns is clearly an insufficient solution today, at the same time, placing on it guns of a caliber equal to 100 mm or more already contradicts the concept of a support machine, being redundant, because in the end it tank. The solution would be to install at least one gun with a caliber of 57 mm, which, as the experience of the same five hundred shows, is quite capable of filling the tactical gap between the tanks and the BMP / BTR. Why are you not the modern embodiment of old Soviet technology?

[Vita vko]

57 mm automatic gun ... 100-120 rounds / min per barrel.

In my opinion this is the best combination of power and rate of fire. It is a pity that it was withdrawn from service.

[ARES623]

Quote: Vita VKO

In my opinion this is the best combination of power and rate of fire. It is a pity that it was withdrawn from service.

This attitude of "brains" is not enough for the modern conflict. Therefore, the AU-220 "Baikal" is being promoted on the basis of the gun with this SPAAG. The same, but at a new technological level. Everything is fine, a step forward has been taken.

[abrakadabre]

And also, like the whole quick-firing large-caliber artillery, you’re tired of supplying it with a power supply.

[oldzek]

it was just "Shilka" that was replaced in the late sixties. We built new boxes for "Shilok" in the regiment in 69.

[Chelentanych]

In the USSR they knew how to make weapons forever!

[demiurg]

And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.
She would still have normal armor, but screens

[Stas Snezhin]

Yes it is.
Horizontal firing range - 12000 m, vertical - 8800 m.

[Parsec]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

Horizontal firing range - 12000 m, vertical - 8800 m.

This is the projectile range. Strongly not that firing range.

[igorka357]

Quote: demiurg

And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.
She would still have normal armor, but screens

Yes, the gun is more powerful, but the SLA is more modern ... the dry residue, that's right ... the tank ...))

[abrakadabre]

And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.

Most likely referring to direct range. Of course, when mounted, the shell will fly further.

[gabonskijfront]

It can work with a tank like a BMOS. In the city, a couple of ZSU-57s are guarding the tank, sweeping away everything that moves on nearby approaches with fire, and the tank pounds everything that is worthy of its caliber from a safe distance.

[Observer2014]

"Product 500" - EVERYTHING! The tower would be stronger, but the KAZ should be fastened. And there will be a super shaitan arba.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Trevis

And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs.

Why is it cool? The old man is creepy. Not any protivosnaryadnaya protection. One shot from the inferior RPG and ATGM and the installation will burn like a torch.

[kirieeleyson]

Yes, she pounding, God forbid, as they say. Not Shilka, of course, but direct fire for any armored target will make it possible for everyone inside to penetrate, and also breaks through a brick wall a meter, it adds up to 1 bq on the floors of the house. The tank is unlikely to penetrate into the forehead, even the t-54/55, but it will also not be sweet for the crew, shell concussions, etc., and will also demolish all the instruments. Under heavy fire, the first reaction of the driver is to sink into the shelter, there will be no turning of the tower, that's for sure.

[bi64]

Quote: c-Petrov

capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.

it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live

I’m telling you, as a former tank commander in Afghanistan, a tank can damage even a smaller caliber of the barrel. Suppose, say, Shilka, in a successful scenario, fire at a tank, everything is swept away, you become deaf and blind.

[lis-ik]

I remember at the end of the nineties we had a good drink with the guys from Kantemirovskaya, as they in all seriousness claimed that the Shilka cannons demolished the tank's turret to hell on direct fire. I doubt it so far, but suddenly. Why should they embellish, although both were air defense officers.

[Zaurbek]

At what distance? 23mm is unlikely, and 30mm from Tunkuzui is quite. You need to consider the distance where you can go unnoticed near the tank and the dispersion of shells ..

[tundra]

It looks intimidating, probably it works pretty well at the firing points.

[vm68dm]

zsu shooting 57-2

[archi.sailor]

AK-725 ship on tracks !!!!! Powerful thing

[Proton]

They are well seen in martyrs. not only at firing points. on a direct mover, any mobile to a shaggy grandmother will flourish ..

[ARES623]

Quote: Proton

It’s good to see them by shahidmobiles not only by firing points. On a straight groove any mobile to a shaggy grandmother will cut flour into flour ..

This gun will cut any BMP or armored personnel carrier according to the pattern, which is easier than 30 tons. What NATO is armed with today will grind 1500-2000 meters in any projection, I think, without any problems. Of course, he won’t take tank armor, but everything hinged - sights heads, sensors and other things will shave baldness. BUT the tank will have to aim through the barrel.

[Radical]

Quote: vm68dm

zsu shooting 57-2

However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.

[Signaller]

In principle, she also has a radar targeting, which is very valuable for shooting not only at planes and helicopters, but also at ground targets. Especially in dusty areas.

[MaxMelan]

Modernize her. Put automation and hang up !! And the whole sky is in parrots. And what is worse than wheelbarrows?

[Strashila]

Events in the Middle East and Africa over the past decades have shown that there are no outdated weapons, but there is no skill or desire to use it.
This installation and similar examples.

[igorka357]

Quote: gabonskijfront

It can work with a tank like a BMOS. In the city, a couple of ZSU-57s are guarding the tank, sweeping away everything that moves on nearby approaches with fire, and the tank pounds everything that is worthy of its caliber from a safe distance.

Another warrior, in a city the battle distance very rarely exceeds a hundred meters, what are the near approaches, what is the safe distance? There are no safe distances in the building !!!

[igorka357]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: vm68dm

zsu shooting 57-2

However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.

Roughly estimate the distance, not even a kilometer ... but the accuracy is decent at such a distance!

[igorka357]

Quote: lis-ik

I remember at the end of the nineties we had a good drink with the guys from Kantemirovskaya, as they in all seriousness claimed that the Shilka cannons demolished the tank's turret to hell on direct fire. I doubt it so far, but suddenly. Why should they embellish, although both were air defense officers.

The keyword was DRINKED, and the tower of your Pvoshniks was already demolished !!!

[igorka357]

Vesch, cool, super-duper! Someone write that they use them because there they drop barrels from turntables with saltpeter, they don’t have technological warfare, they don’t have zhps, setentric battles and cyborgs, the Syrian army is so exhausted there, that they are happy to get everything from the warehouses and use it if they let them throw it away from their land! Not that they use it as a super-duper, the gun has become obsolete long ago, both morally and physically! And kill you, and Nagan will kill the first issues , and what ... is he also a super-duper weapon?

[Alex_Tug]

there is no technological warfare, there are no zhps, setentric fights and cyborgs

And for every action movie you won’t chase with high-precision (respectively, and price) weapons.

[Sergey Kiselev]

You can feel the post-war competent calculation, and even now, to "nightmare" greenery with checkpoints is the very thing. It's cheap and cheerful. [Quote] [/ quote]

[Al_lexx]

I do not really understand why people are tired of the whole tank about this ZSU. :)
Ultimately, it all comes down to the issue of ammunition. She carries a certain amount of armor-piercing, but obviously for every fireman. The trunks are long, the initial velocity of the projectile is almost a record. You can fight it against tanks only by very heavy stub. But it can very well induce a chipper, especially from an ambush. Well, everything has already been written about work on buildings. 57mm is quite a caliber, with such a rate of fire.

And by the way, look at the ruins of Syrian cities. Well, it is obvious that reinforced concrete monoliths are not built there. All quarters in ruin. This is about comparing brick and reinforced-concrete houses in the Donbass and Crimean Tatar sandstone huts. If in Khrushchev’s 120-I mine will make a hole, then the sandstone house will probably blow it to dust, to the ground.

http://pvo.guns.ru/zsu-57-2/

[nivander]

the helicopter will fill up and will not ask for a surname

[Radical]

Quote: igorka357

Quote: Radikal

Quote: vm68dm

zsu shooting 57-2

However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.

Roughly estimate the distance, not even a kilometer ... but the accuracy is decent at such a distance!

In city building just right!

[gerk]

Budget "terminator")

[Vyazemsky partisan]

It’s not a matter of old and new technology, even a flint gun is also a weapon for itself, it will do its job, it’s another matter, the availability of that very technology, modern, smart, but it all costs money! But it is not a fact that she will justify her hopes! In the war in the Middle East, she is in demand, because there is no other, specifically in that area she is fighting, not the fact that she can fight in another place, here is the climate, landscape features, types of buildings and settlements! And at the expense of the ZSU, then using it to combat infantry and technical personnel is the very thing, a gamble against tanks and no more !!! I would call him "cleaner", the infantry will be happy to meet with this machine !!

[seregatara1969]

And the American tanks haven’t come across to her yet? Or the Turks? Well, to compare the eras.