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"Product 500" in Syria

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The Syrian army does not have a sufficient number of modern weapons, so it continues to use outdated, but quite effective equipment, such as the famous “500 Product”, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


"Product 500" in Syria


“Before the outbreak of the civil war, ZSU-57-2 anti-aircraft self-propelled units were decommissioned and put into storage, therefore the use of self-propelled guns by Syrians initially surprised many military experts, the publication said.

These installations have proven themselves in the Middle East as weaponused precisely for ground targets. During the conflict in Lebanon, for example, Syrian calculations skillfully destroyed snipers entrenched on Beirut skyscrapers.

"The images of this combat vehicle in Syria have not met on the network for a couple of years, but it turns out that the ZSU-57-2 is quite a successful fight against terrorist groups," said the author of the article, Roman Katkov.

The self-propelled gun is armed with a dual 57-mm automatic gun S-68 (rate of fire - 100-120 rounds / min per barrel. The range for firing at ground targets is 4 km. A projectile flying at a speed of 1000 m / s is capable of hitting light armored vehicles and Tanks type T-55 and T-62 on board.

Net weight of the installation - 28 tons, crew - 6 people, Engine power - 520 hp
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  1. Trevis
    Trevis 17 November 2016 13: 12
    +10
    And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs. wink
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 17 November 2016 13: 14
      +32
      To fry barmaleev with such a "fork" is the very thing !!! am
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 17 November 2016 13: 16
        +2
        capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.


        it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live

        1. Trevis
          Trevis 17 November 2016 13: 25
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower,

          Interestingly, there have been cases? Theoretically, a defeat on board is possible. But to do this is not easy.
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 17 November 2016 14: 16
            +11
            There are enough anti-tank weapons there to defeat the tanks available to the IS. And for the destruction of various firing points and snipers from a decent distance - just.
            1. cap
              cap 17 November 2016 14: 40
              +6
              Quote: DMB_95
              There are enough anti-tank weapons there to defeat the tanks available to the IS. And for the destruction of various firing points and snipers from a decent distance - just.


              It is difficult to disagree with you. hi
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 17 November 2016 14: 16
            +4
            But to do this is not easy.


            What for? It is a weapon against firing points in blocks. There is time for aiming, if the skyscraper, you hit immediately on the lower floors, you will not be mistaken. Demolishes all the partitions and it’s clear who is roaming around the area .... There are other means against armored vehicles, worn on hand.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 03
              0
              Dear Che, you’re talking nonsense, it’s not always blowing over the thickness of 125 mm, as you put it! It’s redundant in brickwork, it can’t even break through concrete blocks! And they don’t build skyscrapers from brick! But in war, like in war!
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 17 November 2016 19: 52
                +2
                Dear Che, you are talking nonsense,


                Are you the same partitioning specialist that everyone is afraid of? Then maybe a respected expert on sopromat, enlighten, what for the partitions? Wooden? Brick? Plasterboard? Blocky? And there are different bricks, different woods, different gypsum, and so on and so forth. Enlighten the astray and the raving. What for 125mm? Armor-piercing, high-explosive fragmentation, what special can? Or are you talking about a jackhammer and a sledgehammer? And tell me more about the war, terribly interesting .....

                For the sake of solidarity with the superintendents, I report that a typical concrete frame is being built on the entire BV housing, which is filled with brick partitions. Since the brick there is also very different, then any fighter, after a month b \ d, knows for sure whether the firing point needs to be strengthened with additional rows of bricks, as protection against small arms. Partitions of gypsum and straw are generally stitched throughout the building and are moved there in dashes, from pillar to pillar. Therefore, the machine-gun b / p from 7,62 and higher does not see light partitions at all, and their presence depends only on the density of fire. That is why we see a lot of concrete skeletons of skyscrapers in shots around Syria, not because it is unfinished, but because warning fire for many months has demolished everything that has been piled between concrete frames.
              2. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 17 November 2016 21: 37
                0
                Dear Che, you are talking nonsense, 125mm is not always overturned as you put it!
                You would be right, dear, if it was a single shot. And this installation with a rate of fire on the trunk of 100-120 rds / min. able to just saw through a building. Just like a volley from a general aviation gun, say the 30th is not at all equivalent to a single shot from a 30mm gun. Even with the hypothetical use of the same shells.
                The consumption of BP in this case is a completely different issue.
          3. svp67
            svp67 17 November 2016 21: 21
            +1
            Quote: Trevis
            Interestingly, there have been cases? Theoretically, a defeat on board is possible. But to do this is not easy.

            There were, during the Hungarian events, such a Hungarian self-propelled gun worked for our T-55, his commander, later I was a teacher, told me that she didn’t break through the armor, but the whole crew got a heavy shell shock ...
            1. Trevis
              Trevis 17 November 2016 21: 40
              0
              So beat in the forehead? And then what happened to her, left?
              1. svp67
                svp67 17 November 2016 23: 06
                +1
                Quote: Trevis
                So beat in the forehead? And then what happened to her, left?

                The crew fired at our convoy, after which it threw ...
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2016 14: 44
          +2
          In the case that your shot is the first ... release two cassettes -8 shells 57mm. If on board or in the back, it will break through and light the tanks. If in the forehead, knock down the caterpillars, sights, and whatever else.
          1. Giant thought
            Giant thought 17 November 2016 15: 03
            +5
            Another confirmation of the good quality of Soviet weapons, how old this old woman is, and nothing is still in service and makes a feasible contribution to the victory of the Syrian army over the bearded beast.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 06
              +5
              Of course, the USSR-Russia development technique is good, reliable .. cheap and effective, but your comment is not like that from a giant of thoughts! The successful weapons of the Americans of the same model year are also in service, and they are also fighting, so they wrote nonsense!
        3. Spitfire
          Spitfire 17 November 2016 16: 35
          +1
          Quote: c-Petrov
          capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.


          it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live


          With a queue of 100 rounds per minute, the crew inside the tank will fly off the coils.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 06
            +2
            Yeah, and the crew of the tank will sit and wait when we fly off the coils ..)))
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 17 November 2016 13: 15
      +2
      In war, as in war. Everything goes to business. As the saying goes: the gimmick of invention is cunning.
    3. Su24
      Su24 17 November 2016 14: 00
      +2
      Moreover, it is more effective than Shilka.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 November 2016 14: 44
        +1
        depending on what and at what range ....
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 07
        0
        Come on..)))
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 November 2016 18: 23
          0
          For different purposes, anti-aircraft guns were and were created at different times.
  2. Karaul73
    Karaul73 17 November 2016 13: 20
    +1
    Quote: Trevis
    And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs. wink

    She would have a shell with a remote detonation. If only the thing were against manpower in urban conditions. True, under the guise of tanks.
    1. Su24
      Su24 17 November 2016 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: Sentry73
      Quote: Trevis
      And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs. wink

      She would have a shell with a remote detonation. If only the thing were against manpower in urban conditions. True, under the guise of tanks.


      Too yzh bold, given the consumption of shells)
      1. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan 17 November 2016 16: 40
        +2
        I think that they will. After all, they are going to put 57 militirovka on armored personnel carriers and bmp?
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 18 November 2016 00: 11
          0
          This does not mean that they will re-equip the ZSU-57-2. For armament with remote detonation, the entire complex is designed, starting from the ammunition and ending with the MSA with a muzzle induction programmer. This will not be on decommissioned equipment, even in Syria. Manually, or something, at a range of cocking each clip?
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 18 November 2016 06: 16
            0
            However, the example of five hundred clearly demonstrates to us the fact that the concept of BMPT is conceptually not flawed. Another question is that its physical embodiment does not fully correspond to those tasks that, according to the developers' vision, should be assigned to this type of technology. First of all, it is worth noting that the presence of even a paired installation of 2A42 guns is clearly an insufficient solution today, at the same time, placing on it guns of a caliber equal to 100 mm or more already contradicts the concept of a support machine, being redundant, because in the end it tank. The solution would be to install at least one gun with a caliber of 57 mm, which, as the experience of the same five hundred shows, is quite capable of filling the tactical gap between the tanks and the BMP / BTR. Why are you not the modern embodiment of old Soviet technology?
  3. Vita vko
    Vita vko 17 November 2016 13: 25
    0
    57 mm automatic gun ... 100-120 rounds / min per barrel.
    In my opinion this is the best combination of power and rate of fire. It is a pity that it was withdrawn from service.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 17 November 2016 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Vita VKO
      In my opinion this is the best combination of power and rate of fire. It is a pity that it was withdrawn from service.

      This attitude of "brains" is not enough for the modern conflict. Therefore, the AU-220 "Baikal" is being promoted on the basis of the gun with this SPAAG. The same, but at a new technological level. Everything is fine, a step forward has been taken.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 17 November 2016 21: 40
        0
        And also, like the whole quick-firing large-caliber artillery, you’re tired of supplying it with a power supply.
    2. oldzek
      oldzek 17 November 2016 19: 47
      +1
      it was just "Shilka" that was replaced in the late sixties. We built new boxes for "Shilok" in the regiment in 69.
  4. Chelentanych
    Chelentanych 17 November 2016 13: 25
    +4
    In the USSR they knew how to make weapons forever!
  5. demiurg
    demiurg 17 November 2016 13: 26
    0
    And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.
    She would still have normal armor, but screens repeat
    1. Stas Snezhin
      Stas Snezhin 17 November 2016 14: 23
      +1
      Yes it is.
      Horizontal firing range - 12000 m, vertical - 8800 m.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 17 November 2016 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: Stas Snezhin
        Horizontal firing range - 12000 m, vertical - 8800 m.


        This is the projectile range. Strongly not that firing range.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 08
      0
      Quote: demiurg
      And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.
      She would still have normal armor, but screens repeat

      Yes, the gun is more powerful, but the SLA is more modern ... the dry residue, that's right ... the tank ...))
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 17 November 2016 21: 42
      0
      And with what fright range of 4 km? More should be.
      Most likely referring to direct range. Of course, when mounted, the shell will fly further.
  6. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 17 November 2016 13: 27
    +1
    It can work with a tank like a BMOS. In the city, a couple of ZSU-57s are guarding the tank, sweeping away everything that moves on nearby approaches with fire, and the tank pounds everything that is worthy of its caliber from a safe distance.
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 November 2016 13: 27
    +4
    "Product 500" - EVERYTHING! good The tower would be stronger, but the KAZ should be fastened. And there will be a super shaitan arba.
  8. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 17 November 2016 13: 46
    +4
    Quote: Trevis
    And what a cool thing! Moreover, everything is used. Even from the tops they throw bombs. wink

    Why is it cool? The old man is creepy. Not any protivosnaryadnaya protection. One shot from the inferior RPG and ATGM and the installation will burn like a torch.
  9. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 17 November 2016 13: 48
    +11
    Yes, she pounding, God forbid, as they say. Not Shilka, of course, but direct fire for any armored target will make it possible for everyone inside to penetrate, and also breaks through a brick wall a meter, it adds up to 1 bq on the floors of the house. The tank is unlikely to penetrate into the forehead, even the t-54/55, but it will also not be sweet for the crew, shell concussions, etc., and will also demolish all the instruments. Under heavy fire, the first reaction of the driver is to sink into the shelter, there will be no turning of the tower, that's for sure.
  10. bi64
    bi64 17 November 2016 13: 49
    +14
    Quote: c-Petrov
    capable of hitting light armored vehicles and tanks of the T-55 and T-62 type on board.


    it’s hard to imagine how to get out of it through a tank, disabling its tower, so as not to get an answer from the crew who wants to live

    I’m telling you, as a former tank commander in Afghanistan, a tank can damage even a smaller caliber of the barrel. Suppose, say, Shilka, in a successful scenario, fire at a tank, everything is swept away, you become deaf and blind.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 17 November 2016 14: 02
      0
      I remember at the end of the nineties we had a good drink with the guys from Kantemirovskaya, as they in all seriousness claimed that the Shilka cannons demolished the tank's turret to hell on direct fire. I doubt it so far, but suddenly. Why should they embellish, although both were air defense officers.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 November 2016 14: 46
      0
      At what distance? 23mm is unlikely, and 30mm from Tunkuzui is quite. You need to consider the distance where you can go unnoticed near the tank and the dispersion of shells ..
  11. tundra
    tundra 17 November 2016 13: 50
    0
    It looks intimidating, probably it works pretty well at the firing points.
  12. vm68dm
    vm68dm 17 November 2016 13: 56
    +8
    zsu shooting 57-2
  13. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 17 November 2016 14: 27
    +3
    AK-725 ship on tracks !!!!! Powerful thing
  14. Proton
    Proton 17 November 2016 14: 37
    +1
    They are well seen in martyrs. angry not only at firing points. on a direct mover, any mobile to a shaggy grandmother will flourish ..
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 17 November 2016 14: 59
      +7
      Quote: Proton
      It’s good to see them by shahidmobiles not only by firing points. On a straight groove any mobile to a shaggy grandmother will cut flour into flour ..

      This gun will cut any BMP or armored personnel carrier according to the pattern, which is easier than 30 tons. What NATO is armed with today will grind 1500-2000 meters in any projection, I think, without any problems. Of course, he won’t take tank armor, but everything hinged - sights heads, sensors and other things will shave baldness. BUT the tank will have to aim through the barrel. smile
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 17 November 2016 16: 06
    +3
    Quote: vm68dm
    zsu shooting 57-2

    However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.
  16. Signaller
    Signaller 17 November 2016 16: 30
    0
    In principle, she also has a radar targeting, which is very valuable for shooting not only at planes and helicopters, but also at ground targets. Especially in dusty areas.
  17. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 17 November 2016 16: 34
    +2
    Modernize her. Put automation and hang up !! And the whole sky is in parrots. And what is worse than wheelbarrows?
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 17 November 2016 17: 10
    +6
    Events in the Middle East and Africa over the past decades have shown that there are no outdated weapons, but there is no skill or desire to use it.
    This installation and similar examples.
  19. igorka357
    igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 10
    0
    Quote: gabonskijfront
    It can work with a tank like a BMOS. In the city, a couple of ZSU-57s are guarding the tank, sweeping away everything that moves on nearby approaches with fire, and the tank pounds everything that is worthy of its caliber from a safe distance.

    Another warrior, in a city the battle distance very rarely exceeds a hundred meters, what are the near approaches, what is the safe distance? There are no safe distances in the building !!!
  20. igorka357
    igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 12
    0
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: vm68dm
    zsu shooting 57-2

    However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.

    Roughly estimate the distance, not even a kilometer ... but the accuracy is decent at such a distance!
  21. igorka357
    igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 14
    +1
    Quote: lis-ik
    I remember at the end of the nineties we had a good drink with the guys from Kantemirovskaya, as they in all seriousness claimed that the Shilka cannons demolished the tank's turret to hell on direct fire. I doubt it so far, but suddenly. Why should they embellish, although both were air defense officers.

    The keyword was DRINKED, and the tower of your Pvoshniks was already demolished !!!
  22. igorka357
    igorka357 17 November 2016 17: 20
    +1
    Vesch, cool, super-duper! Someone write that they use them because there they drop barrels from turntables with saltpeter, they don’t have technological warfare, they don’t have zhps, setentric battles and cyborgs, the Syrian army is so exhausted there, that they are happy to get everything from the warehouses and use it if they let them throw it away from their land! Not that they use it as a super-duper, the gun has become obsolete long ago, both morally and physically! And kill you, and Nagan will kill the first issues , and what ... is he also a super-duper weapon?
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 17 November 2016 18: 07
      0
      there is no technological warfare, there are no zhps, setentric fights and cyborgs

      good And for every action movie you won’t chase with high-precision (respectively, and price) weapons.
  23. Sergey Kiselev
    Sergey Kiselev 17 November 2016 20: 51
    0
    You can feel the post-war competent calculation, and even now, to "nightmare" greenery with checkpoints is the very thing. It's cheap and cheerful. [Quote] [/ quote]
  24. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 November 2016 22: 48
    0
    I do not really understand why people are tired of the whole tank about this ZSU. :)
    Ultimately, it all comes down to the issue of ammunition. She carries a certain amount of armor-piercing, but obviously for every fireman. The trunks are long, the initial velocity of the projectile is almost a record. You can fight it against tanks only by very heavy stub. But it can very well induce a chipper, especially from an ambush. Well, everything has already been written about work on buildings. 57mm is quite a caliber, with such a rate of fire.

    And by the way, look at the ruins of Syrian cities. Well, it is obvious that reinforced concrete monoliths are not built there. All quarters in ruin. This is about comparing brick and reinforced-concrete houses in the Donbass and Crimean Tatar sandstone huts. If in Khrushchev’s 120-I mine will make a hole, then the sandstone house will probably blow it to dust, to the ground.

    http://pvo.guns.ru/zsu-57-2/
  25. nivander
    nivander 18 November 2016 09: 07
    0
    the helicopter will fill up and will not ask for a surname
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 18 November 2016 16: 13
    0
    Quote: igorka357
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: vm68dm
    zsu shooting 57-2

    However, decent accuracy for such a caliber. not to say beautiful.

    Roughly estimate the distance, not even a kilometer ... but the accuracy is decent at such a distance!

    In city building just right!
  27. gerk
    gerk 18 November 2016 17: 45
    0
    Budget "terminator")
    1. Vyazemsky partisan
      Vyazemsky partisan 18 November 2016 23: 22
      0
      It’s not a matter of old and new technology, even a flint gun is also a weapon for itself, it will do its job, it’s another matter, the availability of that very technology, modern, smart, but it all costs money! But it is not a fact that she will justify her hopes! In the war in the Middle East, she is in demand, because there is no other, specifically in that area she is fighting, not the fact that she can fight in another place, here is the climate, landscape features, types of buildings and settlements! And at the expense of the ZSU, then using it to combat infantry and technical personnel is the very thing, a gamble against tanks and no more !!! I would call him "cleaner", the infantry will be happy to meet with this machine !!
  28. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 14 March 2020 09: 20
    0
    And the American tanks haven’t come across to her yet? Or the Turks? Well, to compare the eras.