Memorial plaque to Admiral Kolchak installed in St. Petersburg

A plaque to Alexander Kolchak, one of the leaders of the White movement during the civil war, was installed yesterday in St. Petersburg, reports RIA News.

“The board is a plate with a height of 1 meter and a width of 1,9 meter, it is installed on the oriel of the 3 house along Bolshaya Zelenin Street. The inscription on the board reads: “An eminent Russian officer, scientist and researcher Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak lived in this house from 1905 to 1912 for a year,” the agency reported from the scene.

According to him, “locals take pictures of the memorial on mobile phones, with the majority of respondents refer to the perpetuation of Kolchak’s memory with caution and expect provocations and attacks by vandals,” as happened with the recently dismantled board of Karl Mannerheim.

Earlier, the initiator of the installation of the memorial sign of the White Case Memorial Educational Center reported that the governor of St. Petersburg signed an order to install the board in February of 2015. However, the Internet began collecting signatures for the cancellation of the order. The petition said that "this initiative is a political gesture aimed at justifying mass killings during the years of white terror and dictatorial methods of government."

Then the White Movement reported that the installation of the board was “postponed indefinitely” until all necessary approvals were received.

“Alexander V. Kolchak (1874-1920) - Russian military and political figure, naval commander, oceanographer, polar explorer. During the Civil War was one of the leaders of the White movement, he served as supreme commander of the Russian army. On the night of 6 on 7 February 1920, he was shot by order of the Irkutsk Military Revolutionary Committee "- reminds agency.

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[BARKAS]

Well, again there will be a noise about Kolchak and the board will be removed soon.

[Temples]

"An outstanding Russian officer, scientist and researcher Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak lived in this house from 1905 to 1912" "

Further add:
- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles. The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire. And the rest is a good guy.

Some bastards want to shatter us from the inside by installing such boards. The bastards know that the people evaluate the service to the motherland of these "figures" differently.

As Ivan Vasilievich said:
-So he, the cunning, contemptible paid for the preobrazhey? He himself wanted to reign and rule over all? ... guilty of death!

[vorobey]

Quote: Temples

- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles. The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire. And the rest is a good guy.

but in more detail about betrayal is possible?

[sabakina]

But sho, fight with your people is not a betrayal? I do not know the text of the oath that Kolchak took, but I think there were words about protecting the people of the state in which he lives.

[Giant thought]

Is it possible to forgive Kolchak the executed deputies of the Tomsk Duma and drowned in the ice holes on the Ob River. The installation of such a board in St. Petersburg will be of negative importance for the unity of the Russian people, and, apparently, the goal of the liberals is to split the Russian society.

[Temples]

but in more detail about betrayal is possible?

Here's the oath, read it. Arimia was obliged to look for the fatherland (our great-grandfathers) and the Tsar. But it was not there. We decided to bring democracy to Russia and "steer" ourselves. I think that you understand that revolutions are made by those who are close to power. Those who must defend this power and order.
As a result, dozens of millions of dead. And hundreds of millions of unborn Russians.


Read what is written in red below. About the honor.
Such boards are monuments of dishonor, cowardice and meanness.

[vorobey]

Quote: Temples

Read what is written in red below. About the honor.

But what Kolchak himself said during interrogation already ...


... when the fact of the sovereign's abdication followed, it was clear that our monarchy had already fallen, and there would be no return. I received a message about this in the Black Sea, took the oath of office to our first interim government. I took the oath of conscience, considering this government as the only government that had to be recognized under the circumstances, and the first took the oath. I considered myself completely free from all obligations towards the monarchy, and after the coup d'état I came to the point of view that I have always stood on - that I, in the end, did not serve one or another form of government, but I serve my homeland, which I put it above everything, and I consider it necessary to recognize the government that declared itself then at the head of the Russian government ...

And then again:

... I welcomed the revolution as an opportunity to count on the fact that it would bring enthusiasm ... to the masses and provide an opportunity to end victoriously this war, which I considered the most important and most important thing, standing above everything ...

[Draz]

Do you think he would say that he wants to become the supreme right of Russia?

[insular]

Quote: Draz

Do you think he would say that he wants to become the supreme right of Russia?

Should he have sworn allegiance to the traitors who killed the King and his entire family? Or those who after seized power?
The Reds are exactly the same traitors and impostors. The only difference is who won.

[dr.star75]

The Reds did not betray anyone, they threw off all the rabble that betrayed the king. Can we put up a monument and Chicotila? Well, what? He didn't kill all the time. Until then, a respectable citizen. And write on the blackboard: "In this house from ... to .... lived a chikotilo, a citizen of the USSR, a great lover of the people."

[insular]

You lie from! I can’t believe that you simply don’t know that the Bolsheviks, as early as 14 years, planned their betrayal and the outbreak of war (civil war. That is, wars against the people, at the hands of the people and for power).
And what about the war with the "bourgeoisie"? when they cleaned up everyone who would have the right to forgive?
In general, the war of one with the others is a war against the system - for even then, the State is not only the Tsar and the family - this is Sistama. And it was precisely the System that the Bolsheviks uprooted precisely because of this, the war began.
So the Bolsheviks are primarily guilty of the blood of the nation.
It is the Bolsheviks who are guilty of the collapse of the country into republics. A single country, not created by them.
“Soviet power is an organized civil war against the landlords, the bourgeoisie and the kulaks” - it is very similar to the slogans of hohliki about the oligarchs, just then that just now the people were robbed and received nothing.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: dr.star75

The Reds did not betray anyone, they threw off all the rabble that the king had betrayed.

Now the heirs of that rabble are screaming here, or those who imagine themselves thus, it’s strange, because judging by their cries, they say the "damned red" repressed all of them, destroyed, then where did they come from and yell-squeal?
As one lieutenant put it, I hate red, asked why, who’s your mother’s ortho, answer, professor, mother, doctor, doctor, and great-grandfather was a cab ... What’s in the head of a young man, besides semolina porridge, if you take into account the son of a cab that under Nicholas, and even more so under Kolchak himself, nothing shone except for twisting the mare’s tail.
We have many who think of themselves as princes, but in fact ... in fact swineherd, if not for the Soviet regime.
Here is another insular screamer

Quote: dr.star75

I can’t believe that you simply don’t know that the Bolsheviks, as early as 14 years, planned their betrayal and the outbreak of war (civil war. That is, wars against the people, at the hands of the people and for power).

I heard the poor fellow ring, but did not understand what he was talking about.
And then how loud it is

Quote: dr.star75

In general, the war of one with the others is a war against the system - for even then, the State is not only the Tsar and the family - this is Sistama. And it was precisely the System that the Bolsheviks uprooted precisely because of this, the war began.
So the Bolsheviks are primarily guilty of the blood of the nation.
It is the Bolsheviks who are guilty of the collapse of the country into republics. A single country, not created by them.

The question is, this writer, where did he learn three corridors and a basement?
And he doesn’t know that February is not the Bolsheviks, that Order No. 1, it’s again not the Bolsheviks, that the Civil one, it’s the Februaryists of all stripes, the Socialist-Revolutionaries and the Entente, asking how you can go to a serious site with such stupid things as this insular. ..
It is not known to him that Kolchak had betrayed at least three times the oath to the Tsar, the Provisional Oath, swore allegiance to the English Crown ... What a "great" ... beacon of all traitors.
And what is this speech about?

Quote: dr.star75

“Soviet power is an organized civil war against the landlords, the bourgeoisie and the kulaks” - it is very similar to the slogans of hohliki about the oligarchs, just then that just now the people were robbed and received nothing.

An attempt by a perverted consciousness to remake the slogan that - "Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the entire country, because it is impossible to raise industry without electrification ... Communism presupposes Soviet power as a political organ that enables the masses of the oppressed to do all things; without this, communism is impossible ... This ensures political side, but the economic side can be ensured only when all the threads of a large industrial machine built on the foundations of modern technology are really concentrated in the Russian proletarian state, which means electrification, and for this you need to understand the basic conditions for the use of electricity and, accordingly, understand industry and farming. "
And what did those horses with pots in Ukraine achieve by breaking all the monuments to Lenin? It remains to demolish DNEPROGES as a hated symbol of Lenin ..
And this insular, in exactly the same horse, I hope that in our country the generation of horses with pots will not play at least some role in the country, otherwise the fate of the Ruins is guaranteed.
The installation of all kinds of boards to the Jews, but this is a method of rocking the country.
And for such installations of "monuments" to traitors and Jews, it's time to impute serious articles.

[populist]

dr.star75
And write on the blackboard: "In this house from ... to .... there lived a chikotilo,

The authorities next chikatilo (Kolchak) hanged a board ... Phraseologism. However!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dr.star75

The Reds did not betray anyone

Propaganda against the government and the king in a warring country, and, moreover, in the army - is this not a betrayal? Moreover, congresses of all (!) Revolutionary parties were held abroad (!), And most of the printed matter came from there. I do not say whose money it was made.
So maybe in vain now we are rolling a barrel to various NGOs (they are just doing charity work ), and Victoria Nuland came to the Maidan just to satisfy the cravings of Ukrainian youth for sweets? Is Navalny really a sincere fighter for the rights of the people?
Let's not use milking standards. All this was done purposefully, and the goal was the collapse of the country. And it was beneficial to everyone - and the Triple Alliance, and the Entente. Thank God. that Stalin was among the revolutionaries.

[Sergey S.]

Should he have sworn allegiance to the traitors who killed the King and his entire family? Or those who after seized power?

He swore allegiance to the traitors who overthrew, arrested, and exiled the royal family to Yekaterinburg.
Already then it was clear. what will happen to the family of nicholas. when the interim government did not let her go abroad.

[Tatyana]

Orthodox monarchists and other anti-Soviet circles in government circles have an obvious itch in the "one" place on the MEMORIZATION of anti-Sovietism in Russia and the great historical achievements of Russia under the socialist system! (This is the industrialization of the country after the WWII, this is the victory of the USSR in the Second World War! This is the first manned flight into space! Etc., etc.)
Then they set a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in St. Petersburg!
Now, now, these "wise men" decided to perpetuate the monarchism of the Russian Empire in Russia with a memorial plaque to Kolchak - and again in St. Petersburg! Namely.
This is exactly the way the White Work Memorial and Education Center acts in St. Petersburg. in the role of a civilian provocateur of the integrity of the country - modern Russia - and its members pursue clearly their purely - selfish - goals! I wonder who finances them? And on whose money they exist and act as socio-political provocateurs ?!

[Simpsonian]

Quote: Tatiana

The Orthodox monarchists and other anti-Soviet

lying lady, the advice was under the Tsar ... come on, write to him in the negative that with him there were no iPhones and the ISS

[CokeJI]

Oh yeah! again this song is about terrible reds. these vile people lifted the country out of ruin, gave everyone an education, flew into space and a real trifle, defeated fascism, which would be impossible for tsarist Russia.

[Simpsonian]

it’s strange, it seems that under the Tsar the German didn’t even reach the Dnieper, and during the reds he reached the Volga (the Poles are the Dnieper)

[Baloo]

The Reds are exactly the same traitors and impostors. The only difference is who won.
Most of the people followed the Reds, and not the Whites and not the agents of influence who staged the February coup.
Tsarist general Kamenev (and not Trotsky) created a regular red army. General Karbyshev, the same tsarist officer, created the Brest fortified area.
And would you still hang a memorial plaque to Vlasov

[Simpsonian]

most of the people went to collective farm slavery to work not for money but for workdays,
the smaller one was disarmed, taking hostages in the rear of the family, and then from 1917 to 1937, they were destroyed

[ghby]

Quote: Balu

Tsarist general Kamenev (and not Trotsky) created a regular red army. General Karbyshev, the same tsarist officer, created the Brest fortified area.

The list goes on and on, Potapov Nikolai Mikhailovich, for example, one of the founders of Soviet military intelligence held the position of Quartermaster General (in fact - the head of Russian military intelligence) of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Tsarist Army, collaborated with the Bolsheviks, died in old age, the Red Army commander, he was awarded a Golden watch with the inscription “To the staunch defender of the Proletarian revolution from the PBC of the USSR” - an interesting person in general, they say that thanks to him, the tsarist army intelligence unit migrated to the Red Army with virtually no cleansing and repression.

[XODOP]

do not smack nonsense. most of the people did not go anywhere, but simply tried to survive between two fires. if interested, then find and read about methods of mobilization into this very red army - volunteers there were more likely an exception.

[zoolu300]

Unfortunately, I think at this pace of hanging memorial plaques to various freaks, Vlasov will also be hanged.

[_person_]

Please do not confuse the Bolsheviks (from the word "majority", that is, the people) and the Trotskyist interventionists, representing the interests of the world oligarchy, for whom Russia and the peoples inhabiting it had to become brushwood in the world revolution and burn with it. Communist ideology is a life of conscience, in the name of the whole society, that is, the absolute majority of people inhabiting our land.
The dirt that you pour on the Bolsheviks should be directed better at the Trotskyists and that part of the white movement that fell under the West, ready to exterminate its own people in its interests. At the same time, among a part of the White Guard "elite" of that time, this was caused, among other things, by a thirst for revenge for the fact that uneducated, poor, hungry, desperate people were able to overthrow the negligent, flirting elite that had lost touch with reality, as well as the ability to govern the state in its interests and the peoples inhabiting it.
The difference is that in Russia, any gamble of the West leads to the fact that at the most crucial moment a patriotic power comes to power in the country - Ivan IV, Peter I, Nicholas I, Stalin (Bolsheviks), Putin are the statesmen under whom Russia each time it revived and even increased the sphere of its civilizational influence in the world.

[UrraletZ]

It’s good to grind nonsense, otherwise the ears of your proletariat have already laid ears from your crunch of French rolls.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: insular

Should he have sworn allegiance to the traitors who killed the King and his entire family? Or those who after seized power?

Kolchak took the oath of VP in March 1917, and the royal family was shot in July 1918. Do not hit tsiferki

[73bor]

About the masses of the people, it was he who otmazatsya so, people did not believe that!

[Tatyana]

Now is not the time or place for the demonstrative Orthodox monarchist EXTREMISM in the Russian Federation!
By their actions, Orthodox monarchists only notify society that they are ready, like the Vlasovites and Banerites during WWII, to blindly side with the foreign invaders of their homeland in case of an attack by NATO countries on Russia! That they are ready to extremistly - like the current "maydanut" Ukrainian nationalists who unleashed a civil war in the DPR and the LPR in the creep of the United States and the "collective West" - are selling and betraying to unleash a full-scale civil war in the Russian Federation itself in the interests of Jewish financial capitalists - Fed global bankers USA!

[Tatyana]

Orthodox Russian monarchists-extremists in St. Petersburg. they will not understand in any way that the USA and the “collective West” do NOT need ANY Russia, as such - neither Soviet, nor capitalist, nor feudal!

"The US plan to destroy Russia (Houston project, Harvard project)." Posted on: 21 Dec 2015

[Tatyana]

Dulles' plan is in action. The US is dividing Russia and waging a war without rules. And similar Orthodox monarchists from the Beloe Delo memorial and educational center of St. Petersburg. act at best in the role of "useful idiots" for the globalists of Great Britain, the USA and all kinds of "Rothschilds" of the US Federal Reserve System.

Allen Dulles (1893-1969) has been with the US CIA since its inception in 1947. In 1942-1945 led political intelligence in Europe. Director of the CIA in 1953-1961. The ideologist of the Cold War, one of the organizers of intelligence activities against the USSR and other socialist countries.

Allen Dulles' plan in the flesh ... Published: May 27 2014

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Tatiana

Orthodox monarchist EXTREMISM in the Russian Federation!

Ek You raked everything in a heap - Orthodoxy, Monarchism, and extremism.
Either Rodnovers are not for you, then Orthodox monarchists. You already decide - who is dear to you.

Quote: Tatiana

on the side of the foreign invaders of their homeland in the event of an attack by NATO countries on Russia!

Very bad, huh? The shooters are quite an obvious Orthodox monarchist. And he understands very well that our enemies are around. and inside the same. Watch his video, analyze what he is talking about.
And stop thinking stereotyped and hysterical.

[Tatyana]

Ingvar 72

Quote: Tatiana
Orthodox monarchist EXTREMISM in the Russian Federation!

Ek You raked everything in a heap - Orthodoxy, Monarchism, and extremism.
Either Rodnovers are not for you, then Orthodox monarchists. You already decide - who is dear to you

Ha! Yes, I relate to them, as on the principle of "The family is not without a" freak! "

Well, who can be "nice" here ?! They serve first to God, and then to everyone else ... So close to the Orthodox "ISIS" "finish bad"!
Of course, with your heart you understand that all men are ethnically their own, but with your mind you understand that they are all ideologically absolutely with a “shifted roof”. So "have mercy" with such! They will touch you with tears in their eyes for nothing - for the Soviet ideology - and they will cut it!
I am against the clericalization of Russia as a path to new barbarism.

And you, Ingvar 72, with your Orthodox religion zombified by priests and reanimation under the leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church 100-year-old Russian monarchism, do not confuse Trotskyism with Stalinism in Soviet Russia! These are completely different things. Namely.

In the Leninist party - in the ranks of the CPSU (B.) - there were 2 party political movements (in fact 2 different parties) that cannot be mixed together.
The first course is Trotskyism. The Trotskyists fought for the transfer of Russia under external foreign control.
The second trend is Stalinism. The Stalinists fought for the national sovereignty of Soviet Russia. In 1937-1938 in the country and the Communist Party defeated the Stalinists. This is only why the USSR - under the leadership of Stalin - won the WWII!

[Inok10]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And stop thinking stereotyped and hysterical.

... this Lady doesn't know how to do it differently ... "Square Psychology" ... that's just what this phrase is worth:

Quote: Tatiana

Well, who can be "nice" here ?! They serve first to God, and then to everyone else ... So close to the Orthodox "ISIS" "finish bad"!

... here it is all ... in all its glory by Nagish in his covetous truth ... that is, in her opinion ... Relight and Oslyable - Orthodox fanatics ... ... Do you understand ... how so from the Monks to the Wars ... and even for Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland ... in her opinion there is no order, they should hold on to the pubis, and here the wrong heroes are not attached to the pubis ... well, further more:

Quote: Tatiana

Of course, with your heart you understand that all men are ethnically their own, but with your mind you understand that they are all ideologically absolutely with a “shifted roof”. So "have mercy" with such! They will touch you with tears in their eyes for nothing - for the Soviet ideology - and they will cut it!

... there’s even nowhere to laugh at all ... Easter was celebrated in the USSR by everyone, they baked Easter cakes, they painted eggs in the church, Christmas was not an exception, Orthodox traditions were preserved and did not interfere with Socialism, even in the godforsaken Dauria of the Transbaikal district of Chita I remember the region, as a kid, 1980-1986 ... Children were baptized, the deceased were buried, commemoration on days 9 and 40 ... Orthodoxy did not interfere with Socialism in the USSR, but cemented the centuries-old traditions of the Russian People ... "To our Tanya" - Orthodoxy Aki Kol Aspen in the Heart ... then something needs to be explained ... this one must see them Mash Gug Tsolnervskih ... pure Gus blood, the real Gus ... better than the Russians themselves knowing what the Russian needs ...

Quote: Tatiana

In 1937-1938 in the country and the Communist Party defeated the Stalinists. This is only why the USSR - under the leadership of Stalin - won the WWII!

... oh ... Stalinists won the Communist Party ... in what year was that? ... maybe it was all the same VKPB? ... no ? ... and how the CPSU repaid in the person of Khrushchev ... Victory in the Great Patriotic War of IV Stalin ... everyone knows! ... debunking the cult of personality! ... that's all thanks ... and it is correct that JV Stalin kept the party away from the leadership of the state ... Gosplan and Gossnab worked, the property was public and private (artels and cooperatives) ... and, now we are surprised at the Chinese Miracle ... in this Country, this Miracle was still in the 50s of the XX century, while Europe still lived on grocery cards, including shitty England ... in the USSR, pies with Vyaziga (sturgeon chord) were commonplace ... ended with Khrushchev ... then everyone knows what ended ... with the collapse of the USSR, thanks to the CPSU ... and after all this, do you still believe the CPSU / Communist Party? ... you are naive! ... People-Children ...

[_person_]

Tatiana is right in many ways. The white movement is now being promoted in the media for a reason, the head of the Liberal Democratic Party in general "God Save the Tsar" performs at any successful occasion, as if out of place .. LDPR !!! and our church, unfortunately, also participates in this, providing ideological support and not only. They are preparing another palace coup, of the "patriotic" type. Only the West doesn’t care whose hands and for what purposes Russia will collapse. These empty-headed conspirators will be the first to be put up against the wall, God forbid, they will succeed, because:
1. Witnesses are not needed;
2. Traitors and fools are not considered anywhere for people - a dog canine death. Type is not a pity.
3. Popular anger needs to throw a rag to be torn to pieces - a corrupt elite is perfect.
4. The methods of Western external control do not change ..
Strelkova in this aspect you very appropriately recalled - they are just among the others trying to shove media into the same draft coup d'etat.

[Bloodsucker]

Vladimir Putin dismissed Leonid Reshetnikov from the post of director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies of the Federal State Scientific Budgetary Institution since January 4, 2017. By another decree, the President appointed Mikhail Fradkov to this post from January 4, 2017.
http://www.kremlin.ru/events/p...
The monarchist Reshetnikov has gotten excited!
So the dreams are non-white. NTSnikov, monarchists and others, empty.
https://cont.ws/post/427524

[Ratmir_]

"As a result, children of millions were killed. And hundreds of millions of unborn Russians."
Do you think the red has nothing to do with it?

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Ratmir_

"As a result, children of millions were killed. And hundreds of millions of unborn Russians."

How many more do you need to kill the Russians, so that you can calm down, the heirs of Kolchaks and Wrangels, seeds, Pilsuds, Hitlers and other Yeltsins?
Another action to "reconcile" the Whites and the Reds was carried out by activists of the White Cause organization in St. Petersburg, and a memorial plaque to the war criminal Kolchak was installed.
What we see even with a cursory glance, Aleksandrov is the "historian" who is engaged in whitewashing the traitor Vlasov. The Posev magazine is the printed organ of the anti-Soviet organization NTS, which closely cooperates during the war with the ROA and the Germans, and after the war, closely lying under the CIA. They are traitors. There is nowhere to put the sample.
https://cont.ws/post/428493
Do you need a war?
So you will get it, but then do not be offended that there will be no "philosophical steamer" anymore.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Aleksandrov is the "historian" who is whitewashing the traitor Vlasov.

Mixed in a bunch, people, horses ....
Trotsky and Stalin can put the same in one row? And cho - in one batch were . By the way, Kolchak, unlike Vlasov, was not a communist.
By the way, a comparison of boards Manerheim and Kolchak is pure associative provocation. Flies and cutlets, and not intentionally divided.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Ingvar 72

By the way, Kolchak, unlike Vlasov, was not a communist.

Who cares what Judah was?
You are kind to the white Judas, but I am equally disgusted by these two traitors.
You like the red ones, but for me, in that case, you also stand where you sent the kolchak and the red, Vlasov .. Is that clear?

[Inok10]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Who cares what Judah was?

... big ...

Quote: The Bloodthirster

You are kind to the white Judas, but I am equally disgusted by these two traitors.

... the substitution of concepts ... Vlasov - Traitor ... Kolchak - NO! ...

Quote: The Bloodthirster

You like the red ones, but for me, in that case, you also stand where you sent the kolchak and the red, Vlasov .. Is that clear?

... quieter on corners ... how about Voikov? ... the killers of Women, Girls and Young Children? ... Royal family recall ? ... but what about the Voykovskaya metro station ... no? ... is she not in his name? ... Killers of Children and defenseless Women and just Girls ... well, okay, they would judge the Tsar for their affairs and shoot ... you can understand ... but the girls have to do with it! and kid Young! ... Judas-Bolsheviks! ... burn in hell for thirty pieces of silver ... no Honor in this act and the Cooks admitted to governing the state logically ended ... they also wanted to shine at the London balls ... along with their grooms ... Secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee ...

[Manul]

Quote: Ingvar 72

By the way, a comparison of boards Manerheim and Kolchak is pure associative provocation. Flies and cutlets, and not intentionally divided.

Then let the boards be put and restored to those who worked in the USSR and performed feats. And there will be many such forgotten ones as well. They are trying to convey to you that the entire Soviet past is being replaced by the White Guard. At what, definitely not mixing anything, but specifically pursuing its goals - to return the servile thinking to the people. Which was under the kings.

[Inok10]

Quote: Manul

Then let the boards be put and restored to those who worked in the USSR and performed feats.

... Oslyable and Relight Monks-Orthodox Wars do not want to put memorials first? ... no ? ... ah, yes it was until 1917 ... A History Textbook in hand! ... and read ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Manul

Then let the boards put and restore to those who worked in the USSR and performed feats

I'm not against. But for some reason boards and monuments are being erected here for the most part to those who destroyed the country and did not build it. And I'm not talking about Kolchak, I'm talking about Gaidarov and Co.
In Togliatti, the streets of the executioners Sverdlov (one of the central) and Tukhachevsky have not yet been renamed. But for some reason there is no Stalin Avenue. It's a pity....

[tractor driver]

Quote: Temples

Read what is written in red below. About the honor.

only the word of God can be above the oath, but the Gospel says
Luke 11: 17. But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: every kingdom divided in itself will be deserted, and a house divided in itself will fall;
IMHO: Many supported the interim government in order to maintain the unity of Russia. Further, when it became clear that there would be no unity, then everyone chose his own path (Do what you must and be what you will).
And whether it is a tablet or not is not important anymore. It will not change history, nor will it change the fact that he lived in this house, that he was an officer, and so on.

[Monarchist]

Temples, 1. Thanks for the oath. 2. General Alekseev should be accused of treason: when Rodzianko and K. blackmail forced the Emperor to abdicate, General Alekseev also forced the emperor to abdicate. Nikolai Alexandrovich immediately succumbed to blackmail and abdicated, but later changed his mind and made another
A telegram, but General Alekseev did not transmit the last telegram
Later Alekseev said that if he had sent a telegram, the situation could have changed. 3. Read the text carefully: "..... I swear by Almighty God, ... to Nikolai Alexandrovich, the All-Russian and legitimate His Imperial Majesty of the All-Russian Throne to the Heir .." As you know, the Tsar denied himself and his son in favor of V.K. .Mikhail, and he, in turn, abdicated and power automatically passed to the State Duma. Consequently, Kolchak did not break the oath.
If you want to figure it out, read Shulgin (published even during the Soviet Union) described there in detail. Shulgin was a connoisseur of the then law.

[Baloo]

Was the British ambassador to Russia at that time an hour not a relative of General Aleseyev?

[Ulan]

Yes, yes, of course "automatically". Well then, after October, power "automatically" passed to the Bolsheviks. Thanks for clarifying.
Boy, and the king, that he voluntarily "automatically" renounced or was forced?
So all your speculations, "automatically" are meaningless and not worth a damn.

[DenZ]

Quote: Thought Giant

and, apparently, the goal of the liberals is to split the Russian society.

You can rest assured that there were no other goals. Liberalism is like when everything about everything can bazaar and sculpt any monuments. here is their ideology (i.e. lack of ideology). I think this dostochka will not sag for a long time. But this must be investigated so that from now on this does not happen again except in 1917 we will dry the country. Elementary.

[lelikas]

Quote: DenZ

I think this dostochka will not sag for a long time. But this must be investigated so that from now on this does not happen again except in 1917 we will dry the country. Elementary.

And it seems to me that there were already 91-93 years, when everything was "dried out" - no?

[DenZ]

Quote: lelikas

It seems to me that there were already 91-93 years, when everyone was "dried out" - no?

I agree and dried out in 91-93, the memory is still fresh. Especially now you can not allow it. Ideology needs state

[Stas Snezhin]

Again, a very controversial act. And again the division of the people into "For" and "Against".
And again from St. Petersburg .. (it is likely that due to such events
soon instead of "em" they will pronounce "id")

[Feka]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

And again from St. Petersburg .. (it is likely that due to such events, soon instead of "em" will be pronounced "id")

You are not fucking, young man, on the attack? Watch the "bazaar", okay? In St. Petersburg they did not know about this next "blamba". We've dealt with one board, we'll deal with this one too.

[Stas Snezhin]

You are not fucking, young man, on the attack? Watch the "bazaar", okay?

Look at the young man in the mirror, and heal for health ..
Something, such "regular blyambas" do not climb out in Siberia,
but they materialize in your area, so draw conclusions "gentlemen" ..

[_person_]

In vain you roll a barrel on Peter. That provocateurs, including paid ones, are in all regions of our country - a fact. It is also a fact that Peter, like many other cities, presented the country with many worthy sons and daughters of our Fatherland.
These provocations are carried out in order to:
1. Bleed and quarrel people (divorce for negative emotions).
2. To see how this or that social group actually behaves, and on this basis it is already decided how to proceed.
So these boards are stamped where it will cause the greatest public resonance.

[nika407]

We are following the path of the USA. How divided the society in the United States was shown by recent elections. So it will be with us. The government says one thing, does another. The media say the third, liberals - the fourth. And the people silently look at this waste and know their truth.

[Gardamir]

let’s dry the country.

Perhaps a cunning plan consists in this, withdrawing as much money as possible from the country, under the guise of buying treasuries, and then shedding it.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Gardamir

the cunning plan consists in this, withdrawing from the country as much money as possible under the guise of buying treasuries, and then shedding

- judge by yourself?

[Retvizan]

Does Gardamir have more than 91 billion free money? Share it?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Retvizan

Does Gardamir have more than 91 billion free money?

“I have no idea what Gardamir has and what is not.”
- the question was to Gardamir. He, I think, will understand the question. You did not understand.
- if you are a deputy. Gardamira on work with the population - ask the chief what my question means, otherwise -
- throw flood

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Cat Man Null

judge by yourself?

Hello ... on TV in open text, 22 billionaires are NOT TAX residents of the Russian Federation, brought everything to the West, 10000 dollar millionaires, the same song, they are ours or already as Brzezinski said, their eggs are in our basket, so we manage them will ..
Here they "plowed", they took them there, isn't it time and honor to know, the choice has been made, since the West has chosen, then here in the Russian Federation there is ZERO place for you, and what will they do with it, who cares, even though in England the same Berezovsky will be left without pants and slipped in the bathroom ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Hello ...

- yes, well ...
- tell me what side you wrote to original message:

Quote: Gardamir

... withdraw from the country as much money as possible, under the guise of buying treasure...

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Cat Man Null

withdraw from the country as much money as possible under the guise of buying treasuries ...

Tregeris et what? This

Treasure is a generic name for US government debt, derived from the English word "Treasury", from which the word "treasuries" originated. In fact, there are three types of treasury bonds, often called treasuries, differing in terms of circulation:

1. Treasury bill, the so-called "t-bill", the circulation period of which is up to one year. Although in practice the most common are promissory notes with maturities of four, thirteen and twenty-six weeks.

2. Treasury note, whose name is “Treasury Note” is sometimes mistakenly translated as treasury. Its circulation period varies from one year to 10 years.

3. Treasury bond. Very often, the term treasury refers to government bonds. The term of its circulation may be from 10 to 30 years, but, as a rule, it does not exceed 20 years.
Now, everyone dumps these bamazhki, they buy from us, why the hell?
20 trillion US debt, are you going to buy it?
With regards to the relationship of one to the other, financial bubbles, when they burst, and the trouble of Russia is a bunch of speculators, they stole inside the country and fled to the west. For whom did they work?

[Vasyan1971]

Regarding the withdrawal of money from the "hill": "In addition, Trump is ready to do everything to return capital to his homeland. He proposes to consider preferential conditions for the return of funds of US companies from abroad. Currently, to avoid a tax rate of 35%, they hold trillions of dollars overseas. " From here http://ktovkurse.com/a-vy-kurse/prezident-donald-
tramp-i-10-faktov-o-budushhem is not "TV in plain text", of course, but ... Not only we have such a disease. The reasons are different, but the result - non-tax residents - is similar. So we are in a global trend. You have to be proud. Or not?

[Manul]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- judge by yourself?

By himself, he. I also have permanent suspicions about this person. That is ours, it’s not ours .. And on the others it’s even a pity to spend airtime.

[_person_]

There are none of ours. Where do they come from? We find it difficult to find in our country. The fact that Trump is ours is an element of the Clinton election campaign. Those who support this myth in Russia are either fools or get a gesheft from the West from this, and more often both at the same time.

[Monarchist]

DenZ, tell me how the commemorative plaque contribute to the repetition of 1917?
Can we recall 1993, which memorial plaques were then fun, at the head of which party were the Traitors?

[RUSS]

Quote: Rosich333

Good was Kolchak. It’s a pity a little komunyak killed! He did not save his native Fatherland from demons and Christ sellers

Could be the "second" Mannerheim who brought all the red Finns to the root, eternal memory to the Hero of Russia!

[tatra]

That is, when the enemies of the Communists do not have the benefit of lying and disingenuous, you immediately show your real nature.
No matter how much you portray "philanthropy" in relation to the repressed in the USSR for political reasons, when you have no benefit to act, you have proved that you do not care about political repressions, including executions, 300 years under the Romanovs, and about all political repressions in the capitalist countries of the world , including the fact that the enemies of the communists who won in Finland, 3 million people, immediately threw 75-80 thousand people into concentration camps, and shot about 10 thousand people.
On the scale of the 162 millionth USSR with your beloved 1937, it is more than 4 million thrown into concentration camps, and about 500 thousand executed.

[nika407]

according to Solzhenitsyn 100 thousand. millions of repressed ... On Echo will not lie ...

[73bor]

By the way, the number of victims of the Stalinist repressions included all those who died during the Civil War, as well as all captured Germans after the Second World War, so believe ECU ...

[ghby]

Quote: 73bor

By the way, the number of victims of the Stalinist repressions included all those who died during the Civil War, as well as all captured Germans after the Second World War, so believe ECU ...

criminals forgotten.

[Very old]

Arithmetic: FALSE = ECHO

[lelikas]

Quote: tatra

300 years under the Romanovs

It seems to me that it’s not googling Google that in those 300 years of the Romanovs, people from political repression suffered an order of magnitude less than in our recent history.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: lelikas

It seems to me that it’s not a googling of Google that in those 300 years of the Romanovs, people from political repression suffered an order of magnitude less

Well, yes ... Pugachev, Bolotnikov, for example, and there are tens of thousands of people killed, a split-tens, if not more than thousands, in general, the Romanovs should not be screened or belittled ...
Moreover, if we look at the repressions, then they affected the majority of their upper and middle strata of managers in all structures of the country, and when you look at the names of ... everything is clear.
Then, repression, the legal law of the state, now sits in the prisons of the people more than 80 years ago, there is no cry for repression.
Further, here’s the engine driver of the engine, TWICE committed violations of the rules of driving trains, took bail twice, didn’t put him on trial, bam, the third time violation of the same rules when leaving the station for a red traffic light, got into an oncoming train, killed a hundred Red Army men, broke a bunch of wagons and equipment-shot, article 58, is he an innocent victim of repression? And how many are there?
And such cases are MOST, that it’s not clear who is howling about supposedly mass repressions, covering up for their deeds falling at least 70 years ago, what is now under the Criminal Code article?
A relative of Svanidze, Avel Yenukidze, held very high posts, was put up against the wall, now they are screaming, oh oh, innocent, and in conscience and law, correctly posed, for complete moral corruption and frank doing nothing at the entrusted post.
And knowing this, Svanidze squeals that this is Stalin's "revenge" on his family ... he would have kept quiet, otherwise it is written that Yenukidze was shot for TOTAL moral decay and rape of minors.

[Manul]

Quote: lelikas

It seems to me that it’s not googling Google that in those 300 years of the Romanovs, people from political repression suffered an order of magnitude less than in our recent history.

Well, here you are, Dear Lelikas, for the first time I will tear it up - compare the scales. Under the Romanovs a lot of things didn’t exist, the Reuters and Levada didn’t exist .. What kind of recent history do you consider as more cruel and inhuman ???

[Elevator in the building]

"You, oh ridiculous creature,
What fills the world with terrible evil
Save yourself! On the wall of the universe
Kill yourself with an abominable brow ... "

[Bloodsucker]

"The certificate was given to the citizen with a stool that the elephant was purchased in our store ..."

Quote: RUSS

Eternal memory to the Hero of Russia!

[RUSS]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

"The certificate was given to the citizen with a stool that the elephant was purchased in our store ..."

Where did you get such a certificate? And how much by the way elephant?

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: RUSS

And how much by the way elephant?

Help was given to you, and ask why the elephant is there.

[kot28.ru]

Bloodthirsty what ! Himself how many personally hated killed, il only yapping from the couch!

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Rosich333

Good was Kolchak man

Yeah, the dog was. Because they call the dogs, giving them a nickname, a good nickname, according to the mind and actions of the dog.

[Manul]

Quote: Rosich333

Good was Kolchak. It’s a pity a little komunyak killed! He did not save his native Fatherland from demons and Christ sellers

And you commissar body? Oh, divorced priests and savior.

[Yarik]

He's not to blame for anything .... it's all damned cocaine.

[Bloodsucker]

Who stuck this board ...
Memorial, Educational and Historical and Cultural Center "White Business"
Year of foundation
2008

Founders
Armen Gasparyan, Oleg Shevtsov

Memorial, Educational and Historical and Cultural Center "White Business"
White business symbolics.jpg
A type
non-profit organization

Year of foundation
2008

Founders
Armen Gasparyan, Oleg Shevtsov

Location
Russia Moscow

Key figures
K. M. Alexandrov,
O. A. Shevtsov,
O. A. Kuznetsova ("Sowing"),
S.V.Sheshunova,
M. N. Lobanova (radio "City of Petrov"),
N.V. Rodin,
A. A. Kuznetsov,
, V. Yu. Savitsky
E. A. Nikiforov,
A. A. Slovokhotov,
S. G. Zirin et al.

Representation
Russia, Saint-Petersburg;
Ukraine, Kiev;
Ukraine Kharkov;
Russia Ufa

Field of activity
restoration of the burial places of participants in the First World War and the White Movement, book publishing, research activities, "the popularization of knowledge and evidence of the tragedy of Russia in the XX century after the October Revolution of 1917" [1].
NOW understand where the ears stick out of this PROVOCATION?
And here the local accomplices of the pan-and-leggings already dance shamanic dances ....
What is "Sowing", "Sowing" is a socio-political magazine, an organ of the People's Labor Union of Russian Solidarists (NTS)
The first issue of the magazine was published in a circulation of 200 copies in the camp for "displaced persons" near the village of Mönchehof (German: Mönchehof) near the city of Kassel in Western Germany. Initially, it was typed on a typewriter. Numbers 4–7 of 1946 (11–14) were printed on the back of letterhead of a German company. Since February 10, 1946, the magazine has been published in a typographic manner. By the end of March, the circulation increased to 500 copies and continued to grow.
The anti-Soviet direction of the magazine and its actions against the forced repatriation of refugees did not correspond to the then relations between the victorious powers, and under pressure from the Soviet Union the magazine was closed [
NTS, Hitler's accomplices
Since the creation in Belgrade in 1930, the People's Labor Union of Russian Solidarists (NTS) has been looking for ways to penetrate Russia, sought to rebuild underground structures in its homeland, and established contacts and cooperation with the domestic Russian opposition. Since the 1930s, the NTS has been throwing propaganda literature in the USSR. For this, a variety of methods were used. Literature, for example, was transported in packages of goods imported by the Soviet Union. Members of the STC themselves illegally crossed the border of the USSR.
http://beloedelo.ru/researches/article/?125
When fascist Germany attacked our country, the leaders of the NTS completely switched over to the service of the Abwehr and Gestapo. They actively collaborated with the fascist authorities in the occupied territory, including with punishers. They collaborated with Hitler’s intelligence and transferred their agents to the rear of our troops for espionage, sabotage, and campaigning. The top of the organization was especially zealous. One of the leaders of Poremsky during the war years worked in the Goebbels department. The other - Okolovich - was a resident of punitive bodies in Smolensk, Minsk, Bobruisk,

Immediately after the Nazis surrendered, Poremsky and Okolovich, using their old contacts in British intelligence, came to one of its organs in West Germany and on behalf of the whole NTS offered her their "cooperation". By this time, the "National Labor Union of the new generation" has already turned into the "People's Labor Union" - NTS. The NTS widely opened its doors to any renegades, regardless of nationality, beliefs and morality, who roamed Western Europe and Asia, hiding from responsibility for bloody affairs in their homeland during the Great Patriotic War. Among them, the NTS launched recruitment work.
http://fanread.ru/book/6986124/?page=84
That is, these traitors who collaborated with the Nazis, then exchanged their owners with the British and Americans, organized their provocations here, the liner Resp. Belarus was recently detained under the threat of using military aircraft, it’s supposed that one passenger was carrying something, see, ba , and this is the same A. Gasparyan, a sickly provocation, the erysipelas are the same ..

[vorobey]

Quote: sabakina

But sho, fight with your people is not a betrayal? I do not know the text of the oath that Kolchak took, but I think there were words about protecting the people of the state in which he lives.

Let's not ... the people .. against the people ... Basayev is also from our people, Gamsakhurdia too. October 93, too, they forgot yes and earlier events in Vilnius Karabakh and Dushanbe ... Those who went through this in the form know what moral and moral choice everyone had and everywhere there were people ... and the tanks in Dushanbe did not roll out against NATO ... it what we still remember .. and judging people 100 years ago is an ungrateful affair .. descendants should, if not honor, remember everyone.

[avg-mgn]

You and I were not at the events of the beginning of the century and we judge them only by school books, and by political cliches. And just as they knew how and are able to twist history, we perfectly see on today's examples. Something in the text on the board I did not see a word about the betrayal of the interests of Russia or its role as the leader of the white movement, but only mention as a Russian officer and scientist. Or will someone say that Kolchak is a Chinese and a miner?

[nika407]

This is what we are taught. Tolerance. Tolerance. Do not climb FIGs, you still can’t figure out what was good, what was bad. Bad only repression and Stalin and the commies. The rest are all soft and fluffy. Semenov atrocious in Siberia? No, he is a Russian patriot. Etc. Until the brain gets tired of the fireworks and the person says, and to hell with you. Arrange exhibitions for pedophiles, hang up dead animals, let the state sponsor theaters of the absurd, setting classics in the nude style ... But we know our truth. The Americans, apparently, also knew those who voted for Trump ...

[73bor]

At the expense of the scientist, I very much doubt that he did not discover anything like that, something akin to the role of Papanin in SP-1!

[Sergey S.]

Quote: avg-mgn

Or will someone say that Kolchak is a Chinese and a miner?

Kolchak is an American.
The US president personally ordered him to issue a passport.

[SG11]

"... I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn ..."

[Sergey Medvedev]

The Reds also fought with their people. And there was the "Red Terror" too. Do you propose to demolish the monuments to Lenin? Banderlog is already doing this.

[rumatam]

and the people did not violate the oath of loyalty? Then which side to look at. But not a teacher as ataman Semenov and Krasnov for sure.

[Fitter65]

At the expense of oath-crime, I would also like to elaborate on it. Because the one to whom he swore shamefully left them to their own devices. And the fact that this oceanographer and polar explorer worked in Siberia is another story, which erases all his past merits ....

[210ox]

Alexander. Probably this means his oath of allegiance to the Provisional Government. Before that, he had sworn allegiance to Nicholas.

[73bor]

And you can read where he came from to Russia and with whom! And he came from the United States with a kodla of American soldiers, by the way he himself did not hide that he was a protege of the West!

[Hapfri]

read where he came to Russia and with whom! And he came from the USA with a codla of American soldiers

Read where Trotsky came from, and also read where Lenin came from. With German gold to undermine Russia. It was no accident that then the Chekists banged Mirbakh - they swept the tracks

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Hupfri

where did Lenin come from. With German gold to undermine Russia. It was no accident that then the Chekists banged Mirbakh - they swept the tracks

This myth does not have the slightest foundation, and moreover, there is not a single confirmation except your cries.
Standard trollik on a salary.

[Kudrevkn]

"This myth ..."? And about Kolchak myths means you can write any nonsense? Sworn to the Directory, and then "swore an oath"? Do you really think that during the Civil War there are some noble rules and codes of knightly laws? White bloody ghouls, and on the contrary, red "white and fluffy bunnies"? But what about the Red Terror and White Counter Terror? Do you even know the history of the Civil War in Russia except for the history of the CPSU?

[Tatyana]

If we talk about history, then it is imperative to remember about the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and then talk IN GENERAL about the "red" and "white" in 1917.

Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Money from the Air Posted: Apr 4 2014 year

[Dart2027]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

This myth does not have the slightest foundation, and moreover, there is not a single confirmation

The fact that Lenin arrived in a carriage through German territory is not in dispute. Like the fact that his right hand Trotsky arrived on a boat from the United States. In general, everyone was good.

[Hapfri]

This myth does not have

Blumkin is also a myth?

[Hapfri]

Standard trollik on a salary.

The collective farmer, unlike you, I usually here on the weekend, you are always on the site at any time, so which of us is on a salary? The collective farm is now opposed to power, the slogans are the same as those of the Americans. How much are you trading in your homeland?

[vezunchik]

American scientists have confirmed that this is a lie. Germany did offer money to Lenin, but he refused ... As the site was messed up,

[Hapfri]

Germany did offer money to Lenin, but he refused ...

And what kind of shisha did he keep his company in? They never worked

[Tatyana]

Hapfri

“Germany really offered Lenin money, but he refused ...

And what kind of shisha did he keep his company in? They never worked

Good question!
The entire Russian ethno-Jewish social-democratic "company" abroad was kept by Great Britain and the USA with the money of the Rothschilds for the future revolution in Russia.
Read books on political history:
• Starikov Nikolay. Geopolitics. How it's done. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2016. -368 p.
• Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The solution to the "Russian" revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 p.

[Very old]

Can.
In Siberia, still evil and uncontrollable dogs are called KOLCHAKI.
Are you satisfied?

[vezunchik]

his army, and the West himself kept and armed him. And much has been written about this .. He agreed in case of victory for the dismemberment of Russia

[Kudrevkn]

What kind of dismemberment of Russia, our inquisitive you, are we talking about? This is Lenin for the Finns Finland from the shoulder of the lord, Georgia for the Georgians, Kolchak, as Supreme, demanded from Denikin and May-Mayevsky "to liberate Ukraine as an integral part of the Russian Empire" from the Germans and other rabble like Makhno and Grigoriev, who, together with the Reds, just fought. for the uninhabitable Ridna Ukraine ", and the Poles for Poland? Do not disgrace yourself here, ignoramus!

[Kudrevkn]

By the way, Kolchak also demanded that Nikolai Nikolayevich Yudenich fight the Latvians and Estonians so that Latvia and Estonia remain part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and your Lenin and Kengisep gave the Balts "freedom and independence"? Then this order of the Supreme Commander almost cost the freedom and life of Yudenich and his family - the Estonians, and then the Finns, wanted to give him red, but the British did not allow him!

[albert]

Quote: vorobey

in more detail about betrayal is possible?

For example, he handed over to the Americans the schemes of Russian sea mines and told the tactics of setting minefields of the imperial fleet.

[Grandfather Luka]

If you want to know more, go to Omsk (the capital of Kolchak), there they still remember about his atrocities and the White Czechs. Go to the "Civil War" museum to see historical materials with your own eyes. Perhaps then, illusions about this "noble man" will dissipate.

[Hapfri]

Go to the Civil War Museum, see the materials with your own eyes

The museum is probably still created by the NKVD. There are Mausers and red breeches.

[Baloo]

There is another point of view regarding merit:

"Special marks. In 1909 (or 1910) Kolchak AV joined the Masonic organization" Military Lodge ", created under the Masonic organization" Polar Star ".
Information on the aforementioned Masonic organizations. In 1887, Russian political émigrés Yablochkoff and M. Kovalevsky opened the Cosmos Masonic Lodge in Paris, which became popular among liberal Russian opposition figures. Later, in about 1906, Kovalevsky managed to establish the Masonic lodge "Polar Star" in St. Petersburg. In the next three to four years, it included the bulk of the leadership of the Russian liberal political party (the “party of constitutional democrats”): M. Kovalevsky, S. Kotlyarevsky, E. Kedrin, V. Maklakov, V. Nemirovich-Danchenko, S. Urusov, M. Margulies et al.
In Moscow, the Renaissance box was opened, subordinate to the Polar Star. By the end of 1909, Masonic lodges, subordinate to the Polar Star, were created in a number of other large cities of Russia.
In the same year, in 1909, under the "Polar Star", a Masonic "Military Lodge" was created, which, according to our information, included several dozen Russian generals, colonels, and promising junior officers.
Among them are the following persons: General Alekseeva, General Krymov, General Ruzsky, General Vyrubov, Colonels Golovin and Polovtsev.
As already noted above, in 1909 (or 1910), our defendant, Kolchak A.V., joined the “War Lodge”. Joining this organization helped him, according to some reports, to enlist the support of senior officers who are also members of the “Military Box”, and contributed to the advancement of A. Kolchak. up the corporate ladder. At the same time, it should be assumed that the disclosure of the fact of membership in the Masonic “Military Lodge” is not desirable for our defendant, as it casts a shadow on his patriotic reputation.
Special marks. Character Kolchak A.V. marked, according to our observations, increased ambition, some posturing and a certain nervousness. Despite our defendant’s participation in dangerous expeditions and military operations, he apparently can’t be considered a strong-willed person who is not influenced ... We especially note his addiction to cocaine, as well as his penchant for romantic adventures ... ”
Resolution: To recommend to Colonel Samuel Horus upon arrival in Russia to pay special attention to the captain of the first rank Kolchak. To note the importance of attracting him to our side (Russian minefields in the Baltic Sea, secret plans, etc.) ...

Historical reference. On April 10, 1916, Kolchak was assigned the rank of rear admiral, and soon after that he received the rank of vice admiral. June 26, 1916 Kolchak was appointed commander of the Black Sea Fleet.
And in 1918, the Entente fleets calmly entered the Russian sector of the Baltic Sea, which was mined, and in the confusion of the two revolutions of 1917, nobody removed the minefields. The historian A. Martirosyan in this regard states: “When Kolchak enrolled in the British intelligence service, his pass was the delivery of all information about the location of minefields and obstacles in the Russian sector of the Baltic Sea! After all, it was he who carried out this mining, and he had all the maps of minefields and obstacles in his hands! ""

Source.
Comment by Kolchak specialist nachpo colleague
Hereditary (in the third generation) British spy. What Churchill spoke and wrote about personally, more than once.
His real surname Kolchakyan was never Russian and did not consider himself as such.
Moreover, he pathologically hated everything Russian about which he repeatedly wrote to his mistress Timireva, the granddaughter of the former Minister of Finance of the Russian Empire.
Orthodoxy "professed" only on occasion when it was necessary to show that he was supposedly his own.
The Kolchakians received the nobility only due to the fact that their grandfather was the overseer of immigrants in the newly settled lands of the Kherson province and was subject to the royal decree on privileges.
The story with the golden saber myth. No award documents have been found so far.
A.V. Kolchak is personally guilty of the death of the first Russian polar expedition of Baron Tolya, involved in the unjustified surrender of Port Arthur, personally guilty of the death of Admiral Makarov and the explosion of the battleship Petropavlovsk, personally guilty of the destruction of the battleship "Empress Maria", personally guilty of leaving the Black Sea fleet, personally guilty in failure to provide assistance (release from captivity of the tsarist family), personally guilty of stealing the gold reserves of the empire, personally guilty of organizing foreign intervention, personally guilty of mass terror (genocide of Russians) during the civil war ... etc. etc.

Source: ss69100.livejournal.com

[Shurik70]

Quote: vorobey

but in more detail about betrayal is possible?

Well, of course!
And the gold reserves of the Russian Empire were taken out from under the noses of the British and hid in such a way that they still can’t be found (most likely it was blocked in the mine or drowned in Baikal).
Well, the Northern Sea Route was investigated, it was for Russia, and not for whatever Swedes got.
And in Russian-Japanese under enemy fire he set mines, from which the Japanese suffered more losses than from the rest of the Russian fleet. And then on land he commanded two artillery batteries in the defense of Port Arthur.
In World War I, having received the Black Sea Fleet under command, in three weeks he was expelled from the Black Sea by the Germans, and the Turks were locked in their ports. Eberhard, who had commanded before, wrote to the capital for a whole year about the impossibility of fighting the Germans, since they were faster. Neither run away to the weak, nor catch up to the strong.
And the worst thing - he did not steal !!! You can imagine such a monster.
For all the time he didn’t imagine that he didn’t even buy a house, even a profitable house. You can say the beggar, and it is in such positions! What a monster!

[Alf]

Quote: vorobey

but in more detail about betrayal is possible?

Kolchak

“... After thinking about this issue, I came to the conclusion that I only have one thing left - to continue the war, as a representative of the former Russian government, which gave a certain commitment to the Allies. I held an official position, enjoyed his trust, it waged this war, and I obliged to continue this war. Then I went to the English envoy to Tokyo, Sir Green, and expressed my point of view on the situation, saying that I would not recognize this government (remember these words - arctus) and consider it my duty, as one of the representatives of the former government, to fulfill the promise to the allies; that the obligations that Russia made to the allies are also my obligations as a representative of the Russian command, and that therefore I consider it necessary to fulfill these obligations to the end and wish to participate in the war, even if Russia made peace with the Bolsheviks. Therefore, I turned to him with the request to inform the English government that I ask that I be accepted into the English army on any terms and conditions. I do not set any conditions, but only ask to give me the opportunity to wage an active struggle. Two weeks later, the response came from the War Department of England. At first I was informed that the British government was willing to accept my offer to join the army and asked me where I would prefer to serve. I replied that, addressing them with a request to accept me for service in the English army, I did not set any conditions and suggest using me as it finds it possible. As for why I expressed a desire to join the army, and not in the Fleet, I knew the English Fleet well, I knew that the English Fleet, of course, does not need our help

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I think this is enough to give cause to the case under Article 64 of the Criminal Code.

[My address]

Power stubbornly sticks to the heroes of the bloody representatives of the white movement, allies of Hitler, Nicholas the Bloody. Moreover, until 1917, there were quite bright representatives of science, culture, entrepreneurship, not dirty with hatred of their people and rejection of their people.
What else will come to a bad head on the eve of the centenary of the October revolution and in the absence of economic development? And then, in the fall of GDP, we feel all the bottom and feel it ...

[vorobey]

Quote: My address

Power stubbornly sticks to the heroes of the bloody representatives of the white movement, allies of Hitler, Nicholas the Bloody. Moreover, until 1917, there were quite bright representatives of science, culture, entrepreneurship, not dirty with hatred of their people and rejection of their people.
What else will come to a bad head on the eve of the centenary of the October revolution and in the absence of economic development? And then, in the fall of GDP, we feel all the bottom and feel it ...

Quote: My address

The inscription on the board reads: "In this house from 1905 to 1912 lived an outstanding Russian officer, scientist and researcher Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak" "

I still wonder how perverted consciousness can distort the news ... what a memorial plaque ... what is the memorial ... an ordinary memorial plaque - and why did you get that your attitude towards this person is truly correct ... I remember the years of troubles from the stories were you there yourself? and learn more about a person and draw your generalized conclusions does not happen ...?

[My address]

My dear!

So, as you, I constantly advise: Read the text that you comment. Then write a draft of your comment. Read the above text and draft again. Think about it. And, in your case, grab your head and do not publish anything. For example, where did you get the idea that I called this squalor a memorial plaque? Well, why?
And yet - it is not appropriate for a moderator to fool nonsense from others and then accuse of nonsense. Yes, even accuse the presence of their opinions.
And now, not for you, but for ordinary site visitors: My mom is 1908, born from Yalutorovsk, told about Kolchak people. Similarly, two uncles from the father’s side, from under Rezh, who first escaped from Kolchak’s men, and then voluntarily left for the Reds, were told. Worse than the Kolchak people, only the White Czechs treated the peasants.

[insular]

Quote: My address

I have a mother born in 1908

Quote: My address

told about Kolchakites

My eldest little son of nine, after the grandchildren will tell ... What? what can he really understand now, besides the fact that I’ll hammer him in the head?
Do you even that kindly grind? I don’t want to say anything bad about your mother, but you are clearly not in yourself, since you covered up with the authority of a child ... I wrote it very diplomatically now, in fact, it’s a solid matter. For you really ... well, in general, not your day today ...

[insular]

Quote: My address

Worse than the Kolchakites, only white whales belonged to the peasants.

The Reds will come - rob.
White come - rob.
...
What do not say, but a classic.

[Kudrevkn]

Did Kolchak personally take away chickens and piglets from your mother, or entrusted this "expropriation" to a batman? You are ashamed, why write such nonsense - horror stories of Soviet historians !? This is not only ignorance, but also utter stupidity - write the drafts yourself, as you advise others or "re-read your pager and think a lot"! Before we eat to write such nonsense of a madman !!!

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: KudrevKN

Shame on why such nonsense to write - horror stories of Soviet historians !? It’s not only ignorance,

Why are you yelling so heartbroken?
Well, for those you about your "innocent" Kolchak .. Kolchak
http://scepsis.net/library/id_2812.html
Few? Well, there’s another portion for you, then you’ll chew on something to tell
http://scepsis.net/library/id_2585.html
The “glorious” way of the struggle for the “homeland” began with the fact that Kolchak, breaking the oath of the Russian Empire, was the first in the Black Sea to swear allegiance to the Provisional Government. Upon learning of the October Revolution, he handed the British Ambassador a request for admission to the English army. Does it happen by chance that it does not remind modern events with jackal at embassies? The Ambassador, after consultations with London, handed Kolchak direction to the Mesopotamian Front. On the way there, in Singapore, he was overtaken by the telegram of the Russian envoy to China, Nikolai Kudashev, who invited him to Manchuria to form Russian military units.

So, by August 1918, the armed forces of the RSFSR were completely or almost completely opposed by foreign troops, with the support of “patriots such as Kolchak, Krasnov, Kornilov, Wrangel, etc.
http://historicaldis.ru/blog/43571495349/Belyiy-t
error: -kolchakovschina

[Kudrevkn]

Not a trace of Hitler’s inferior Krasnov next to Kolchak or Denikin to put - Krasnov a traitor and scum, voluntarily went to serve the Nazis, Denikin flatly refused! Kolchak would have done the same if he had been alive! Unlike Pepeliaev, he didn’t lie in front of the executioners, didn’t ask for mercy, and received a fierce death through drowning in an ice hole with dignity and courage, like a true Russian officer and patriot who did not give up his views and comrades in the struggle!

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: KudrevKN

Not a trace of Hitler’s inferior Krasnov next to Kolchak or Denikin to put - Krasnov a traitor and scum, voluntarily went to serve the Nazis, Denikin flatly refused!

At the same time, Denikin was doing a very voluminous work for the United States Defense Ministry how to defeat the USSR, what difference does it make to what enemy the traitor served?

[CAM]

Kolchak is a talented officer of the tsarist army. He commanded the destroyer fleet in the Baltic, thanks to him the Germans did not shoot point-blank St. Petersburg. Commissars are angels? It was World War I, and the officers of warships were thrown overboard or shot, we won’t go to put mines in the storm ... Not obeying the order !!!! During the war!!!! And according to the planks, monuments ... No need to put either red or white, this is history. Who needs to read and give an assessment. Yes, only reading less and less ...

[Vladimir 38]

Fortunately, the story is written not only from the memories of the mothers, of course it is valuable, but if you look at the story only from the memories of the parents, then you definitely will not find the essence. And especially in relation to the individual. Here in the courtyard you can be bad for someone, but for someone a hero. You need to remember that there was a war, but everything is simple in the war, either you are for or against and the attitude towards you is appropriate. And unfortunately they are killed in war.

[insular]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Fortunately, the story is written not only from the memories of mothers

The winners write the story ... It’s not even a hint, but I tell you in a thick and direct way: We were taught exactly the story that the Party needed. And the Party did not forgive mistakes.

[ghby]

Quote: insular

The winners write the story ... It’s not even a hint, but I tell you in a thick and direct way: We were taught exactly the story that the Party needed. And the Party did not forgive mistakes.

I’ll say more, we all (the absolute majority) are descendants of those who won the civil war. For our ancestors, Kolchak was an adversary whom they defeated in order to live in the country in which they wanted. Accordingly, for us, the descendants of our ancestors, it would be strange to change attitudes towards those whom our ancestors considered an adversary and a traitor, at least in this we show disrespect for the victories of our ancestors.

[Gardamir]

Hence

Kolchak is a talented officer

, and Zhukov filled the corpses of the enemy? I am ready to put up with the Kolchak board if you stop destroying our past! Only until all the whites are also fluffy, and the red ones are the embodiment of evil. Here is the city of Tutaev rename you have the money. Yes, and you hung your Kolchak, but there is no permission, but you can. So those who call for tolerance, start with yourself, but for now, go steppe ...

[Hapfri]

, and Zhukov filled the corpses of the enemy?

With what? Let me guess. Sweets?

Only until all the whites are also fluffy, and the red ones are the embodiment of evil.

The Reds began all this mess. And they did not create what they promised. That is, they brazenly deceived the people. And when the people began to see clearly he was sent straight to the Gulag

[Sergey S.]

Quote: CAM

Kolchak is a talented officer of the tsarist army. He commanded the destroyer fleet in the Baltic, thanks to him the Germans did not shoot point-blank St. Petersburg. Commissars are angels? It was World War I, and the officers of warships were thrown overboard or shot, we won’t go to put mines in the storm ... Not obeying the order !!!! During the war!!!! And according to the planks, monuments ... No need to put either red or white, this is history. Who needs to read and give an assessment. Yes, only reading less and less ...

The main quality of kolchak is determination and obstinacy in the pursuit of personal success.
I believe that I was personally brave.
But nowhere did he have a relationship with his subordinates.
About the brilliant torpedo boat. This is a beautiful myth. Simply, he was appointed commander of the mine division, and by order he practiced the use of new ships. But really different officers had to fight in completely different conditions. so real tactics were born from scratch ...
Regarding the execution of officers, you are talking about the February revolution. And here the Bolsheviks played an extremely modest role. The main engines of the movement of the masses at that time were the Social Revolutionaries and (in the Navy) anarchists.

[Hapfri]

Regarding the execution of officers, you are talking about the February revolution. And here the Bolsheviks played an extremely modest role.

NU and in the army of officers were killed, and in the rear and officers and officers. And the Bolsheviks are nowhere else? And on Aurora, the symbol of the coup, too, not a single Bolshevik was there?

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: CAM

It was World War I, and the officers of warships were thrown overboard or shot, we won’t go to put mines in the storm ... Not obeying the order !!!! During the war!!!!

Order No. 1 = TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT, what does the Bolsheviks have to do with it?

[Very old]

I was not there. But MEMORY is at the genetic level.
He was a man. Dot. For whom? _ ??

[lelikas]

Quote: My address

Power stubbornly sticks out the bloody representatives of the white movement, the allies of Hitler, Nikolai the Bloody, into the national heroes.

Oh everything, there was no red terror, and no one reminds anyone of anything, huh?

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: lelikas

Oh everything, there was no red terror, and no one

It was like an answer to White.
And now the question is, RED fought for the country, what is their reason to kill everyone and destroy everything?
The whites fought for themselves and their privileges, what did they care about life, how did the ongi consider the rebellious cattle? Is that why they exported and robbed everything and everything?

[lelikas]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

It was like an answer to White.
And now the question is, RED fought for the country, what is their reason to kill everyone and destroy everything?
The whites fought for themselves and their privileges, what did they care about life, how did the ongi consider the rebellious cattle? Is that why they exported and robbed everything and everything?

Terror actually began immediately after the revolution, i.e. even before the civil war, a little later, he was declared red, if not mistaken, after the attempt on Lenin. Probably two million deserters from the red army fought for some other country? The Bolsheviks, of course, did not rob - the poor did not have anything to take, but the rest, they simply dispossessed.
At the expense of the reasons — that of the whites and the reds — they are the same — either you or you.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: lelikas

actually began immediately after the revolution, i.e. even before the civil war, a little later, he was declared red, if not mistaken

Wrong.

Quote: lelikas

Probably two million deserters from the red army fought for some other country?

The number of deserters from Belaya? The Belykh, as it turned out, had a cat who cried, because they lost, the people did not follow them.

Quote: lelikas

The Bolsheviks, of course, did not rob - the poor did not have anything to take, but the rest, they simply dispossessed.

And according to your logic, it would have been necessary for everyone to die in cities, industrial centers, in general, all those who are not engaged in agriculture? It was difficult, difficult for everyone, so why should the fist be sweet.
They unkulled .. they said, but did you know the opinion of the fists, Minister of Emperor Alexander 3?
Look, there is an accurate assessment of the fist as a true enemy of the peasant.

[lelikas]

Well, yes, yes, of course - of course - and the devastation in the cities - the whites also arranged the front - they also abandoned - and with the Navy that the bastards did - so far, it’s essentially not.
And we are red-fluffy - everything was repaired and fixed.
That's what they all say - why should they be sweet - and let’s, tomorrow, for example, come to your house (God forbid, of course), 20 homeless people from the dump, and they will live on you, reap your food and spend your savings - and all because of the fact that they were not having a sweet time in the landfill - how many seconds will you endure? Just honestly? In the same way, the floor of the forum, that they are being rooted from the execution of the tsar’s family, doesn’t want to imagine in any way that someone can shoot their family - but what for us ??
Fist - too collective image - they called everyone, up to the townspeople who owned land in the villages and small rural merchants-usurers, but I mean exactly those peasants who could get up and give work to others,
Comrade Stalin himself, was he of good opinion - would he beat Minister Alexander the 3rd?

[lelikas]

s * ka - wrote so much and yggog ... mother mother mother - habitually answered the echo .....

[Very old]

ALEXEI, there was everything!
Where would you be? Without Russia?

[lelikas]

If my grandfather Nikolai, a fist from the Vologda province, were killed by the Reds - I wouldn’t be there, If my second grandfather, Aleksey, went to the Civil War (and he went to the Red Army at 22m) and he was killed by whites, I would not It was . Like it or not - I was lucky.
But with the question, wherever I personally - everything is much more complicated. And if in the first 20-30 years of my life I would have been on the side of the Reds (and who isn’t?), Then in the last 10 years I’m already not so sure, even knowing the end of the story.

[vezunchik]

What is this talking about ??? About a lot, if you think about it and it is clear where we are being dragged ....

[Vladimir 38]

What the hell is an oath criminal, do not smash the nonsense dear. He was a patriot of Russia with a capital letter.

[Gardamir]

oath-breaker

And you do not know that serving England, he fought against Russia. By the way, he served the very England that refused to accept Nicholas number two.

[Hapfri]

then serving England, he fought against Russia. By the way, he served the very England that

Which was an ally of Russia, and which regularly performed the allied duty, while Lenin made speeches from armored cars

[Vladimir 38]

Against which Russia - red? This is the same as the DNI is fighting with Bender now. Can you see the Bender side? If so, then everything is clear

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Are you on the bender side?

Bender is a city in Moldova, and Bandera is a surname.

[Very old]

Patriot?
Wake up ...
Has Kina modernized enough?

[ghby]

Quote: Vladimir 38

What the hell is an oath criminal, do not smash the nonsense dear. He was a patriot of Russia with a capital letter.

Have you seen enough movies?

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Sorry. The king himself abdicated. Empire became a republic. How can traitors judge a traitor ??? Did we not swear allegiance to the Soviet Union to protect it and the people of the country of councils without sparing ourselves? There is no country of the Soviets. But, somehow, we are alive. And you and I betray Christ more purely than everyone else, condemning, using foul language, being angry, etc. Although, you may be righteous. Then you do not need Christ either, for it is written "Go, learn what it means: I want mercy, not sacrifice? For I came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance" Matt. 9:13

[lelikas]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

How can traitors judge a traitor ???

So, overtook, he wanted to write about "traitors, traitors", did not have time.

[Gardamir]

Did we not swear allegiance to the Soviet Union to protect it and the people of the country of councils without sparing ourselves?

Ponty, how pleasant your sweetness is to me! Do not touch the wheel or carry nonsense. When the Empire was gone, Kolchak entered the service of foreigners to fight against Russia, but not to return the king. And Kolchak was a soldier.
Now tell us what millions of Soviet people who woke up in another country should have done. Traitors are only those who lay flowers at the Yeltsin Center.

[lelikas]

Quote: Gardamir

Now tell us what millions of Soviet people who woke up in another country should have done.

Let me guess - Take the equipment and personnel to the street and arrest EBN as a person who illegally seized power (which is 100% true). You look and the flowers would not be carried now. (And what - really carry?)

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Forgive me. Pontoreza. What to talk about with me?

[svp67]

Quote: Temples

Some bastards want to shatter us from the inside by installing such boards. The bastards know that the people evaluate the service to the motherland of these "figures" differently.

You know the same people also differently evaluate the merits and figures of the opposite side. And order their monuments to be demolished? As they do in Ukraine now, so what. It may be enough to fight among themselves, we and external enemies are now SUFFICIENT.

[Mushroom]

it remains only the monuments of Leib and Kühler to fuck that Leningrad was locked in the ring and everything will fall into place, not what? - Manerheim darling has already hung, it remains for a little ..

[insular]

Quote: Mushroom

only the monuments of Leib and Kühler remain

Eco has incurred you ...
Are you now intentionally and with malicious intent to rewrite the sex of the country as fascist killers or purely by elementary stupidity?

[Mushroom]

The stupidity of the darling here is not mine, but those who hang such boards, but for me that the Germans that the Finn is not cut, that Gaidar the murderer is the same and I do not care if the boards are hung in memory of the killers, then what is the same Kühler worse? or Leib? -ah yes, they followed that order, but Kolchak or Mannerheim voluntarily participated, the initiators, or Mannerheim that after we gave FINLAND independence a year later, Petrozavodsk had a liberation campaign, it burned peasants in their huts, let’s shoot ours in the stomach, or in the second campaign in the year 21 where we stopped him at Porosozero a little nicer than Leib, so to speak, —What woodpecker is that the difference is between the Finn who was a subject of the Russian empire on the left hand of the tsar who was walking and this Russia then to 19 in the blood of the sinking (Karelia) and Kühler who, by and large, carried out the order ....

[insular]

To the red killers of monuments all over the country like dirt ... Cities in their "honor" were renamed, cities to which these scoundrels had nothing to do.
Or were few people affected by the red terror?
And YOU, you compare Our historical figures with the Nazis.
With all the great difference, some fought for the right to rule their homeland, others came to destroy and enslave the whole people.
Comparing the civil war with a sweep.

Quote: Mushroom

Woodpecker you stubborn

Stubborn woodpecker - the one who poked you.

Manerheim your head, in a conversation about Kolchak dragged from a great mind.

[Hapfri]

Mannerheim darling

Mannerheim did not cut the Road of Life. And not a single Finnish bomb fell on Leningrad. The Finnish army reached the Finnish-Soviet border of the 39th year and stopped there. And stood motionless until the 44th year. They go further - and that’s it, the end

[Parsec]

Quote: Hupfri

Mannerheim darling

Mannerheim did not cut the Road of Life. And not a single Finnish bomb fell on Leningrad. The Finnish army reached the Finnish-Soviet border of the 39th year and stopped there. And stood motionless until the 44th year. They go further - and that’s it, the end

The Finns would have gone, only there was nothing and no Finns to go on with. They go further - and that’s it, the end. This is true, in an attempt to storm the city of capital stone development, the Finns would come together in three days. The Germans, with their experience, did not dare to storm Leningrad. The Finns are not fools to partisan in the wooded and swampy, but even more not fools to climb into city battles.
The Finnish humanism in Karelia and Vyborg is well known, why would they suddenly humanize with Leningrad? They did not humanize, held the northern and western front of the blockade, and their fault in the extinction of almost a million inhabitants of Leningrad - exactly half of the German.

As for the bombs - well, yes, the Finns had their own air army of 400 B-17 class bombers, half of the Ladoga gas and hundreds of thousands of tons of bombs in warehouses, but they did not bomb from humanism.

You pinch your brain like that at birth, or something ...

[Mushroom]

He wanted to write this himself to the little wise guy that the stupid post left me and you got ahead of me, everything is right-Mannerheim wrote that Leningrad had to be wiped off the face of the earth, but they didn’t have enough power and Hitler didn’t have 2 offensives either. Mannerheim was cunning — he took his north-west of Karelia with our Petrozavodsk turning it into one big concentration camp — the Germans have one concentration camp for one city — we had 5 or 6 in Petrozavodsk !!! and they starved Russians to deaths and they were killed like dogs ...- and this ... they can’t prove anything, either late or not early ...

[Hapfri]

The Finns would have gone, only there was nothing and no Finns to go on with. They go further - and that’s it, the end. That's right, when trying to storm the city of capital stone buildings, the Finns would come down in three days

They would simply cut the road of life and there would be no need to storm anything. It was enough for the cannon to roll ashore and cover caravans with bread.

As for the bombs - well, yes, the Finns had their own air army

It was. In the 39th, we lost 600 aircraft. B 17 were not needed. There fly half a mile away. Gasoline to a minimum, bombs to a maximum. Read Zhukov. Anti-aircraft guns from the air defense of Leningrad were transferred to the front and used as anti-tank weapons, fighters for the most part defended Moscow. Hitler would have lent bombs and gasoline to such a thing

[Mushroom]

They could — and did not — Mannerheim was a pragmatist and knew perfectly well that if he lost, they would not forgive him — he left a bridge for retreat, so to speak — but do not fantasize — read his correspondence with the generals about plans for Leningrad — certainly it should be completely So he didn’t cut the road of life not out of great love for the Russians, but for completely different reasons, and he didn’t lose it, which is why then Stalin was so lenient towards Finland leaving them independence along new borders. And they had aviation, but not enough they couldn’t bomb such a well-fortified city, and there was enough front for them to put planes

[Parsec]

The feeling that you are extremely young and arrogant immensely against the background of general ignorance does not leave, or you happily combine these qualities.

The road of life along Lake Ladoga connected the station of Kobon on the eastern shore and the station of Lake Ladoga on the western. The Germans occupied the southern shore of Lake Ladoga in the Lipki-Shlisselburg strip. The shortest distance from the German positions from the coast to the highway, at least on ice, at least on water - 18 kilometers. How to shoot? Given that the Germans had something to do in the defense zone, except shooting at 18 kilometers at a target with a depth of 10 meters (this is the width of the road). But this is the shortest distance. If it is necessary to cut in a 10 km section, ranges increase to 21 km. In summer, the depth of the target will be the same, only the target will still move at a speed of 10 ... 20 km / h. Offer the artilleryman to perform such a task even on today's artillery systems, he will accomplish it with the artillery division, but the ammunition consumption will require such that the entire Reich and its satellites will accumulate shots for two years. The sappers will close the hole in the ice by morning, if the frost is weak, and if not weak, the hole will freeze by morning. In the summer, there will be no trace of that shot.

Finns on which coast which weapon to roll out? In Ladoga? The front line runs 25 km north of Kraskovo. From the coast to the ice track the shortest distance is 74 kilometers, to the Road of Life 35 ... 40 km. I remind you that the target depth is 10 meters. How to shoot the Finns and from what? This is a non-trivial task today.

Finnish bombing of Leningrad. Try to find something about bombing raids, if applicable to the Finnish aviation during the Great Patriotic War. Again the question is - what? Give the composition of the Finnish aviation, your estimate of the allocation, taking into account the need to cover your troops, a bombing order, and estimate the required number of sorties with an average bomb load of 150 kg. A comparable task is to dig a tunnel in a mountain range with an awl, even if you think "gasoline is at a minimum, bombs are at a maximum."

The Germans flew into Leningrad in hordes of 800 aircraft, but did not succeed. The city was covered by 2 air defense corps and 7 IAK, aviation of the Leningrad Front and the Baltic Fleet, which is about 800 fighters - and the transfer of 20 batteries to the anti-tank lines of the air defense weakened, but not critically. Moreover, in September, Gepner’s tanks from Leningrad went south, and half of the batteries returned. The rest strengthened the defense of the troops.
As it was near Leningrad with air defense, Rudel described it well.
The Germans didn’t succeed, but the Finns borrowed bombs and gasoline on the Gladiators and Blenheim would have succeeded.

Total: you have no idea about the defense of Leningrad, as well as in all other issues.
You should listen more, write early.
.

[Mushroom]

Well, you have to be such a ..... naive kind, nice guy ..... the poor regretted Mannerheim .... already a tear flowed from him when he came to Peter ... sobbed already so that Uncle Adi could not calm him -It’s like in a cartoon-First we’ll pity the poor, then we will eat tasty ...

[K-50]

Quote: Temples

Further add:
- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles. The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire.

We must also add a drug addict, as he loved to "expand consciousness" with cocaine.

[Hapfri]

We must add addict

It is rather a Bolshevik chip. Sailor-Chekist-Cocainist - October Revolution Sivol

[vignat21]

Here are such as YOU and loosening.

[guzik007]

It seems that the city of three revolutions is becoming a testing ground for the testing of methods of consistent mortification of the population, a testing ground where the most sophisticated methods of further oskotinization, as they believe, of the herd, which has been given the name "Russian people", are being worked out.

[g1v2]

Damn, zadolbali all garbage to us in Peter hang. Only the menu was removed - they’re already hanging a new dirty trick. Would you hang in your yard, then fig to drag us to it?

[sunzhenets]

Here it is numb to the St. Petersburg authorities. Little was Mannerheim.
Kolchak is not only an oath-breaker. He is a war criminal, and his guilt was established by a court verdict.

In 1998, the head of the fund for the memory of victims of political repressions, Sergei Zuev, attended to the rehabilitation of the admiral, in connection with which he sent a complaint of the corresponding content to the Main Military Prosecutor's Office.
On January 26, 1999, the Zabaikalsk District Military Court, not disregarding the care of human rights activist Zubov, carefully considered the case of A.V. Kolchak and decided: "Kolchak did not stop the terror against the civilian population and as a person who committed crimes against peace and humanity, is not subject to rehabilitation"
In September 2001, the Supreme Court of Russia, having considered the case of the rehabilitation of Alexander Vasilievich Kolchak, did not consider it possible to appeal the decision of the military court of the Trans-Baikal Military District of January 26, 1999, which recognized Kolchak as not subject to rehabilitation.
The water wears away the stone, but the stone came across solid, and in November 2001 the Supreme Court of Russia again refused to rehabilitate A.V. Kolchak. This time the leader of the movement "For Faith and Fatherland" Hieromonk Nikon Belavenets stood up for the admiral (surprisingly, he is a monarchist)
Deputy Chairman of the Supreme Court - Chairman of the Military Collegium Nikolai Petukhov added that in the future he will personally respond to all similar requirements.
At the same time, the military prosecutor of the rehabilitation department of the Trans-Baikal Military District, Alexander Kotlomin, said that the data of Kolchak's interrogations showed that he "did not stop the terror against the civilian population carried out by his counterintelligence." According to him, "counterintelligence, with the knowledge of Kolchak, raged, shooting communists, therefore, as a person who committed crimes against peace and humanity, the admiral is not subject to rehabilitation."
Human rights activist Zubov tirelessly moved to the Constitutional Court, and on December 6, 2004 loudly announced to ITAR-TASS that "the Constitutional Court has defended Admiral Kolchak."
The Chief Military Prosecutor's Office of Russia replied to this that "the Constitutional Court refused to satisfy Zuev and the public organization headed by him in satisfying their complaint."
The Constitutional Court itself assured that the ruling sent to Sergei Zuyev was "refusal." Moreover, as explained in the press service of the Constitutional Court, this is the second refusal to the complaint of Zubov and Co. The same thing happened in 2000, and a similar decision has already been made with detailed reasons for the refusal.
In January 2007, the Omsk prosecutor’s office was already “tested for strength” - but this did not work either:

“Today (January 16 - arctus), the Omsk Oblast Prosecutor’s Office, which studied archival materials about the activities of the Supreme Ruler of Russia Alexander Kolchak, found no reason for his rehabilitation. This was stated by the head of the department of state prosecutors of the Omsk regional prosecutor’s office, Sergey Savin. "
* * *
Kolchak is not rehabilitated because he is a criminal. And no nails.

http://arctus.livejournal.com/79468.html

[siberalt]

Maybe it is necessary to erect monuments to him in the form of gallows along the entire Siberian path of Kolchak, but return the royal treasury he had stolen? If the truth is, then all.

[your1970]

about the treasury, you are more careful, there are a lot of people derbanil: red, white, Czechs, again red, Japanese ... Kolchak practically did not steal from it ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: your1970

..Kolchak practically did not steal from it ...

- Everything is already stolen, up to you!
- Everything has already been stolen .. Before us ... (((

If you have already gone to sculpt "commemorative" boards, then sculpt on all!
Is it time to make a board for Arkady Gaidar?
The youngest red commander and children's writer,
the creator of the "Timurov Movement"!

[RUSS]

Quote: Starover_Z

Is it time to make a board for Arkady Gaidar?

The name of Gaidar is dear to archangelians. In honor of Gaidar, one of the streets of Arkhangelsk is named. His name is the regional children's library and the public organization "Arkhangelsk city headquarters of schoolchildren." On the house on the corner of the Embankment and Vyucheysky Street, where Arkady Petrovich lived, a memorial plaque was installed. In the editorial office of the newspaper Pravda Severa, on a marble plaque on which the names of Arkhangelsk journalists who died on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War are inscribed in gold, the name of Arkady Petrovich Gaidar is the first to appear. A shell shell with earth, brought from the city of Kanev from the grave of the writer, is also installed here.

[Mushroom]

This guy, Gaidar, shot to the ears with blood, shot and sawed people to pieces so that he didn’t shake him foolishly, they didn’t want to take him as a volunteer. He went through some kind of organization. He sent his family’s heads off in bags, so he sent a squadron of villages in Siberia dodged-local tribes cut out after the civilian-little blood he couldn’t stop — could not be beaten ON THE BOARD ON THE RED SQUARE!

[Parsec]

Quote: Mushroom

This guy Gaidar has blood on his ears

Interesting ideas about human anatomy.

[Mushroom]

and moreover, I still know how to make children, you write essentially and do not engage in verbiage, just to write a thread

[vovanpain]

Quote: Starover_Z

If you have already gone to sculpt "commemorative" boards, then sculpt on all!

My colleague, for that matter, it surprises me one thing why we open boards and monuments to all executioners on both sides. Maybe you need to hang boards and put up monuments to the victims of these executioners Maybe then it’s faster that it’s enough to divide into white and red, enough Russian blood.

[insular]

Quote: vovanpain

why do we open boards and monuments to all executioners on both sides

The executioners are figures of history .. Generals differ from maniacs only in that the former kill by orders of magnitude more.
But still monuments of the sea! There are no wars without murders, and the opposing side can always be denigrated if you are the winner and hang all your crimes on the loser ... "War will write off everything" - there is such an expression. And who said that the information wars were invented in our time?
History rewritten hundreds of times!
Now they are just figures of history. It makes no sense to open that both sides had great support from the people and continue to have

Quote: vovanpain

enough to divide into white and red, enough Russian blood.

To the quantities that created us as we are - at least a memorial plaque should be. Otherwise, remove it from the red square. Remove from every town its monuments.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Starover_Z

Isn't it time to make a board for Arkady Gaidar

The idea is great!
Next to his son Timur is the admiral of the Soviet Navy.
And the grandson of Yegor in the image of a bad boy.
I hope that here we will reach mutual understanding !!!

[Bloodsucker]

Arkady Golikov (Gaidar) has no relation whatsoever to the stepson and his offspring.
A.Golikov fell at the front, and these ... added his name. They allowed his outlook, can such people be relatives?
The current Masha Gaidar is not the granddaughter of the Soviet writer Arkady Gaidar (Golikov)! Yes, she’s never a relative to him at all! Everything, starting with her grandfather Timur, are impostors who decided to make a career with a famous surname.
When Arkady Golikov (known to everyone under the pseudonym Gaidar) married a citizen Rakhil Lazarevna Solomyanskaya, that citizen already had a three-year-old boy in her arms. History is silent about his dad. Rakhil Lazarevna never talked about him, even in wikipedia it is somehow strange and confused written, in general, Arkady Golikov became his stepfather
Rakhil Lazarevna abandoned Arkady and fled to the secretary of the Shepetovsky Ukom of the RCP (b) Israel Mikhailovich Razin, who was later shot in 1938 on charges of participating in a counter-revolutionary organization. Her third husband was a figure skating coach, a sports journalist - Samson Wolfovich Glazer.
Time passed and the smart Jewish son Timur Solomyansky-Golikov, when it came time to get a passport, I realized that in adulthood it would be possible to get a good job with a sonorous family name.

Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/55393-kakaya-mariya-
gaydar-pravnuchka-arkadiyu-gaydaru.html
Politikus.ru
All the falsehood about Golikov’s bloodshed comes from Soloukhin, and his data cannot be confirmed in any historical investigation. Http: //xan-13.livejournal.com/48239
89.html? Page = 1

[Hapfri]

When Arkady Golikov (known to everyone under the pseudonym Gaidar) married a citizen Rakhil Lazarevna Solomyanskaya, that citizen already had a three-year-old boy in her arms. ABOUT

But according to Soviet laws, how? You google the code there will find out - if adopted then everything, there is no turning back

[Vladimir 38]

It is surprising that so many people support you in the comments.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Vladimir 38

It is surprising that so many people support you in the comments.

It may be necessary not only to be surprised, but also to figure it out. why the memory remained just like that.

[Hapfri]

one must not only be surprised, but also sorted out.

What's incomprehensible? Uchpedgiz printed millions of copies of "Tales of Lenin" and other waste paper. We all read this from a young age and believed that everything is so, so to speak, the truth in the first instance. Here are the brains on one side and curled up

[Finches]

All the same, these whiteguard nedobitki screwed up "libel" to a war criminal and a collaborationist! It’s just the poor ... Now there will be vindictive speeches about the reconciliation of the parties and the fucking contribution of this ghoul to the contribution of the North's research ...! Here is the cradle of three revolutions - either Mannerheim will be attached, then the Admiral ..., it would be better if they let their energy into cleaning the streets, everything would be more useful for the city!

[sabakina]

it would be better if they let their energy into street cleaning

Eugene, why? The snow itself will melt in the spring, the wind will take away the garbage, etc. The main thing is the loot in the pocket in which you need to be.

[Finches]

Yes! Money doesn’t smell ... I still don’t like that it drags kids to such events - most often cadets! Forged, zas..ransy, a distorted view of the younger generation about the history of their country with a clear bias in pi ..., liberalism!

[Hapfri]

..., it would be better if they allowed their energy to clean the streets, all the more sense would be more for the city

Well, what else can the collective farmer have to offer. Arrange a free subbotnik. He himself will be looking out the window. Get used to the role of a guard

[Finches]

And why did you decide that I am a collective farmer? Where does such insight come from, anonymous, and from that fearless comrade - a troll? Moreover, apparently, not the most talented representative of his tribe ...

[Hapfri]

And why did you decide that I am a collective farmer

So you are a supporter of the collective farm system and the corresponding orders

[Finches]

Well, what do you write - I am a supporter of objectivity! In this case, we are discussing not the shortcomings or advantages of any one political and economic formation, but a specific person - Kolchak, or rather the fact of installing a memorial tablet for him - and so, in this case, I will repeat again, he is de jure, military a criminal, so you don’t need to perpetuate it! It is necessary in general to understand by considering the facts of human activity and either rehabilitate or not! So today the court (in 1999 and 2007, if I’m not mistaken), having considered these facts, refused to rehabilitate the Admiral, leaving him in the status of a criminal! And you must admit, perpetuating criminals is a little wrong ...

If you are talking about the style of my post - yes! The children are bullshitting, introducing a split into society, so if there is no energy to use, it would really be better if the streets began to be removed from the snow! There would be much more benefit to society!

[twviewer]

Gentlemen, one can understand: factories, factories, steamboats, everything that is acquired by overwork is lost. And who have ridden the gentlemen of the condottieri supported from without? A simple Russian man. Shame.

[twviewer]

About this dog briefly

[vorobey]

Quote: BARKAS

Well, again there will be a noise about Kolchak and the board will be removed soon.

let's then dismiss the Yeltsin center and close it ... also an ambiguous figure in the history of Russia ..

[Smog]

Yes, with great pleasure. We have nowhere to put money.
I doubt that this center lives on income from excursions.
The people are ramparting from all over Russia - mother rushing there, well, that would touch the saint. Oh, wonderful things .......

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

We’ll bury Lenin. We will transfer the mausoleum.

[Bloodsucker]

Nothing will crack, grave digger?
Rather, they will carry you out ... in front of your feet.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Do not crack. I'm not even afraid of you from behind. And about death ... we’ll all be there. And there are no liberal communists. Russia is my homeland. Like yours. And you are ready to bite me or my family in the anger of the beast. As the great Lenin bequeathed to you. Only by the fact that I do not think the same as you. But I do not blame you. Kolchak was tried and shot. God be his judge. It is a pity that there is so much anger in a Russian atheist. Guardian Angel to you and your loved ones.

[Bloodsucker]

Another kooky ass, like smirnov?
What kind of nonsense is that ... they are called not Orthodox, but Orthodox ... they can’t find the worst ones in terms of betrayals, I guess from Karlovac’s analysis ..
And your hysterical cries, in terms of "your ... and other dregs are ready," let it remain on your ... I wanted to write my conscience, but where is it, where did you get your conscience.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

I'm trying to compile the morale of an adult who online calls himself "Bloodsucker". And I understand that with such a personI have nothing to talk about. When you die, remember that it’s not too late to repent. Read http://bible.optina.ru/new:mf:20:start While the soul is in the body. And for this you need a priest.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

I have nothing to talk about.

Well, don’t talk, and if you have a need to argue about the number of devils at the end of the needle, spank on the site of theology, we have a country in which there is no primacy of RELIGION, so be hungry for trochs.
It is no coincidence that he pointed to the priest of Smirnov — it is the business of the Church to heal wounds, including spiritual ones, and not to dig there with dirty hands.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Forgive me. I am sure that when you step away from the monitor, you are a completely different person. And you have a kind heart. It makes you angry that something is going wrong in the life of the country. Putin, the bourgeoisie, the economy, the thieves in power, here, they also propose to bury Lenin. But you cannot influence anything. Impotence. And I want to act. Hence the aggression and grave-diggers are imagining, funerals, priests, Orthodox Christians, and so on ... The soul is tormented by thoughts from which it is difficult to get rid of. And now the "Bloodsucker" is looking for enemies. And they are here, nearby .. And as from a cornucopia fountains of emotions accumulated in the heart beat. You poor man. Go to feed the pigeons. It will become easier. Better yet, read the Gospel and meditate on it. For example, "A good man takes out good from a good treasure, and an evil man takes out evil from an evil treasure. I tell you that for every idle word that people say, they will give an answer on the day of judgment: for from your words you will be justified, and from you will be condemned by your words "Matt. 12:35 God bless you!

[Finches]

Oleg Vyacheslavovich, I apologize for interfering in your dialogue with Comrade The Bloodthirster, but let me ask how true Orthodox, and even so creative, comparing, in conversation, an opponent with a vampire ... -and how Tolerance is a Russian concept that arose from an Orthodox attitude towards life?

A trait emphasizing the imitation of God, who is perfect, but ready to tolerate our imperfection and passions that does not lead to perfection. Teaching us Orthodox to relate to other people in the same way that God Himself applies to us, to all. That is, to tolerate the imperfection of others, realizing that they themselves are imperfect ....

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Brother. Sorry. Maybe I offended someone. I will answer you. Just a couple of years ago, your humble servant would have said such disgusting things to everyone who disagrees with me. And I would be clever here to snot. I'm worse than all of you here put together, which I’m not hiding. Bes got here to register.

[Bloodsucker]

Do not judge and you will not judge, do not encroach on the sacred for others, you will not receive an answer on the forehead, becoming like an Igilovite himself you become Orthodox
Igilovtse-et to you from the kindness of my and wide Russian soul answer.
Ukraine began to demolish a monument, what is now there?
And there, at the same time, the churches, priests and parishioners of the Russian Orthodox Church are not at all sweet, so what are you talking about?
So, do not meddle where they do not ask with your completely crazy wishes.

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

And you have a good heart. You are angry that something in the life of the country is going wrong.

From attempts in the country, scum, to wash and present as something worthy.
A country that worships Judas will NOT stand.

[RUSS]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

When you die, remember that it’s not too late to repent. Read http://bible.optina.ru/new:mf:20:start While the soul is in the body. And for this you need a priest.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: RUSS

When you die, remember that it’s not too late to repent. Read http://bible.optina.ru/new:mf:20:start While the soul is in the body. And for this you need a priest.

Well, the priest will not help you to grind a lie, and the gatekeeper, looking at your black soul from anger, will send him straight to hell. So ... your fate is sad, haters.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

When you die, remember that it’s not too late to repent.

It seemed to me. that in our society such passages are unacceptable.
This is especially true of the artistic image ...

Just put a minus nowhere to put, and therefore I write:
The transition to personality is a sign of scientific weakness and human pettiness ...

[Sergey S.]

Quote: vorobey

let's then dismiss the Yeltsin center and close it ... also an ambiguous figure in the history of Russia ..

I agree.
Although it is better to leave it a monument to national betrayal and personal bragging.

[populist]

The worse things are and the lower the confidence of the people, the more idiotic boards.

[Basil50]

The meanness of this * memorial * in outright lies. He was in the crew of the ship exploring the RUSSIAN North. Managed in his life to take FOUR oaths of FOUR different states. Poser and drug addict. He distinguished himself by cruelty and unscrupulousness until his accomplices surrendered him.

[Basil50]

By the way, * the ruler of Omsk * Kolchak became on behalf of England. It should be remembered * by the * liberal democrats *, and not lie about patriotism.

[Hapfri]

The worse things are and the lower the confidence of the people, the more idiotic boards.

"House on the Embankment" is all covered with them. The sovets' comrades had bad trust

[vovanpain]

Quote: BARKAS

Well, again there will be a noise about Kolchak and the board will be removed soon.

And the faster they take off, the better.

Quote: Temples

The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire. And the rest is a good guy

This "good boy" should be erected throughout Siberia in the form of gallows, which this "good boy" so loved to indulge in.

Quote: Temples

Some bastards want to shake us from the inside by installing similar boards.

A colleague absolutely agrees with you. Drunk center, Mannerheim, Wrangel, now Kolchak.

[bouncyhunter]

I support your opinion, Vladimir!

[vovanpain]

Pavel, I don’t know the admins will probably delete it, but I myself don’t like this either, but I’ll post something about the "good guy"

There was no better sentence. If there is no desire to believe the Bolsheviks because of their "bias", then there is no other way out than to turn to the enemies of the Bolsheviks. Interventions - on the stage.
The political leaders of the Czechoslovak corps B. Pavlu and V. Girs in an official memorandum to the allies in November 1919 declared: “<...> Under the protection of the Czechoslovak bayonets, the local Russian military authorities allow themselves actions that will horrify the entire civilized world. Burning out villages, beating up peaceful Russian citizens by hundreds, shooting without trial of representatives of democracy on a simple suspicion of political unreliability are common, and responsibility for everything before the courts of the peoples of the whole world falls on us: why did we, having military strength, not resist this lawlessness.
<...> Irkutsk, November 13, 1919, B. Pavlu, Dr. Girsa. "
The American General Greves, commander of the 10th American Corps in Siberia 1918-20, recalled:
“The soldiers of Semenov and Kalmykov, being under the protection of Japanese troops, flooded the country like wild animals, beat and robbed the people. Terrible murders were committed in Eastern Siberia, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as was usually thought. I will not be mistaken if I say that in Eastern Siberia for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were 100 people killed by anti-Bolshevik elements "" Admiral Kolchak surrounded himself with former tsarist officials, and since the peasants did not want to take up arms and sacrifice their lives for the sake of returning these people to power, they were beaten, whipped and cold-bloodedly killed by thousands, after which the world called them "Bolsheviks". In Siberia, the word "Bolshevik" means a person who does not support the return to power in Russia of representatives of the autocracy by word or deed. "
“It is surprising that the officers of the Russian tsarist army did not realize the need for changes in the practice used by the army under the tsarist regime. The atrocities committed east of Lake Baikal were so terrific that they did not leave an unbiased person with doubts about the veracity of many reports of excesses. ”
The final chord for today is a statement, even if not of an overseas, but essentially also an interventionist.
From the diary of the Minister of Government of Kolchak, Baron Budberg, Alexei Pavlovich, the future American citizen: “The degenerates who arrived from the detachment boast that during punitive expeditions they gave the Bolsheviks to be slaughtered by the Chinese, having previously cut the tendons under their knees by prisoners (“ so as not to run away ”); they also boast that they buried the Bolsheviks alive, with a pit bottom floor with entrails released from the buried places (“so that it would be softer”) ... ”
Enough of these evidence from the allies of Kolchak. Also, they were not shy in the methods of dealing with the Russians, but this is a separate issue. But for Senator Mizulina, this simply does not exist. As for modern fans of the executioner of the Russian people. Someone is threatening a memorial plaque dedicated to a criminal whom neither the Trans-Baikal Military Prosecutor's Office, nor the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation, nor the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, nor Omsk prosecutors could justify. Mizulina - no more, no less - hand over the monument. Or maybe I'm all in vain. Maybe they just fell in love with Khabensky

These are the boards, admins, before you delete, just read.

[insular]

Was there no red terror?
Eco communists were alarmed ...
Abnormal people, you still remember the quarreling princes. This is part of hysteria, part of civil war. On the side of both one and the other generals there were people, and if the Whites had won, then the Reds would have been defamed in the same way.
Be ashamed.

And the traitors are those who betrayed the king. Who killed the royal family. But certainly not Kolchak.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: insular

And the traitors are those who betrayed the king. Who killed the royal family. But certainly not Kolchak.

These are the generals of the king’s headquarters ....

[Vladimir 38]

Of course, this is obvious, the Bolsheviks were humane and didn’t kill anyone in the war, they didn’t arrange repressions and they don’t have monuments anywhere.

[insular]

Quote: Vladimir 38

there are no monuments to them anywhere.

Especially to one syphilitic who was getting across Europe ...

[Gardamir]

they didn’t kill anyone in the war, they didn’t suit repressions and they don’t have any monuments.

After that, there was the best in the world and also free education, free medicine, free housing. And what did good for the people and for the country in 1991 Kolchak came to power?

[Sergey Medvedev]

In 1991, no Kolchakites came to power. They were traitor communists. It would be more correct to call them "Vlasovites".

[Gardamir]

They were traitor communists. It would be more correct to call them "Vlasovites".

What’s the difference? I know one was an employee of the secret service, only CPSU members were accepted there. Then he jumped from both the service and the party. Yes, he jumped so well that he became the main country. But I know everything that he doesn’t surrender his own, now either a monument to Alexander the father-killer, then Bora the drunk, then Kolchak the hanger ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Gardamir

What’s the difference? I know one was a secret service employee,

Leonid calm down, we are talking about another secret employee.

[bouncyhunter]

Fortunately - not deleted! Vladimir - respect !!!

[vovanpain]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Fortunately - not deleted! Vladimir - respect !!!

Pavel, it’s not yet evening. In theory, it is necessary to lay out the Red Terror in fairness, but gentlemen, the monarchists dispersed painfully, they only forget that the Red Terror was deployed in response to white.

[bouncyhunter]

Vladimir, let's remember "beat the reds until they turn white! Beat the white ones until they turn red"!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vovanpain

These are the boards

What is this drawing with a bunch of corpses?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: vovanpain

These are the boards

What is this drawing with a bunch of corpses?

But Igor, and let him hang next to the memorial plaque, at the same time, and the refusal to rehabilitate as a war criminal. Read the comment above on the Red Terror.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: vovanpain

let them hang next to the plaque

This is just a propaganda drawing, not a photo. You can draw anything.

Quote: vovanpain

that red terror was deployed in response to white.

Vladimir, I’m tired of explaining that the scale of the red terror was simply not comparable with the white. And it was not white who started it.
And the declaration of terror by terrorists and extremists (and revolutionaries cannot be called otherwise from the point of view of a legitimate government) looks ridiculous. From this point of view, Al-Nusra is absolutely right in declaring jihad to Assad. After all, Assad declared it was the white version of terror, killing militants. You do not look at analogies?

[Thunderbolt]

On such "plates" the society of the white movement should put protective glasses (better bulletproof), because. I think it's easy to predict the reaction of many LENINGRAD residents. Such actions create a split in society and, in my humble opinion, the city REFERENDUM should have been carried out first.
Kolchak is an ambiguous figure. There can be no unequivocal figures in a civil war. The sooner we understand this, the better.
P.S. It is necessary to glorify the monuments of Russia, not white or red. Although I am more red than the other, but SHA !!! HARA WE Fight ...

[DenZ]

Quote: Thunderbolt

P.S. It is necessary to exalt the monuments of Russia, and not white or red.

Very rightly noticed. Liberators are trying to put pressure on a break, on division (civil war is the ideal division of the people). That is why they mold monuments to AS "OUTSTANDING" Russians. It is not for nothing that they began to stir up information about the civil war right now. This is done quite systematically.

[RUSS]

Quote: DenZ

Quote: Thunderbolt

P.S. It is necessary to exalt the monuments of Russia, and not white or red.

Very rightly noticed. Liberators are trying to put pressure on a break, on division (civil war is the ideal division of the people). That is why they mold monuments to AS "OUTSTANDING" Russians. It is not for nothing that they began to stir up information about the civil war right now. This is done quite systematically.

Not liberals installed a memorial plaque, but Memorial Education Center "White business"

[DenZ]

Quote: RUSS

Not the liberals set up a memorial plaque, but the White Education Memorial and Education Center

What's the difference what this center is called? You need to look at the root of the question and not at the plate. In Eburg we also have a "Yeltsin Center", many thought that there would simply be a museum for the first president. But in fact, the mouthpiece of liberal propaganda.

[Hapfri]

also "Yeltsin Center" many thought that there would be just a museum of the first president. But in fact, the mouthpiece of liberal propaganda.

What does the Yeltsin Center have to do with the White Cause?

[insular]

Quote: RUSS

"White business"

Monument to the traitor Ulyanov across the country. The country has collapsed into republics.
Until now, everyone says "Allied lands" - which are actually Russian, for Imperial.
Maybe enough of your share? They are all ours, just someone lost the war, but only a very unintelligent person would deny that if one and the other side did not enjoy such recognition among the people, there would be no war. But the war was, and it was very bloody.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: RUSS

Not the liberals set up a memorial plaque, but the White Education Memorial and Education Center

Where does the money come from for this event and in general for this blackest "white matter".
And what is the political orientation of these same ...

For the sake of the future of the Motherland, one could step on one's throat and miss a lot ...
This was what happened in the late USSR, when quite attractive white officers appeared in the films.
It seemed that reconciliation after the Civil was not far off ...

But today's hysteria. which we are satisfied with continuously, nothing more. like opening overton windows.
They are trying to accustom to the idea of ​​the holiness of capitalism and further on the list of liberal values.
In fact, the very initiators of this process themselves provoke a class war.
Moreover, the situation has changed dramatically, and today not many can see the border between social groups that are already looming in the form of classical classes with their interests and beliefs.

One thing is clear, the bourgeoisie was most seriously frightened by communist China.
And western Europe will be full of w ... well, if Russia is closer to China. than to europe ...
And Sasha will eventually have a full corek for the same reason ...

Therefore, they began with the weak links of socialism.
The USSR collapsed, although the Chinese did not consider the USSR a communist country ...
For them, we were also imperialists, but I don’t remember the term.

But Westerners simply started with Socialist Yugoslavia, while deceiving and betraying their friend Milosevic, then they did the same to their friend Gaddafi, who led the most successful African state, the Libyan Socialist Jamahiriya, then hung up a former friend of Hussein, leader of the Baath Party - the Socialist Party rebirths, then attacked Assad, who also relied on the Syrian Baath.

At the same time, the DPRK is demonized and brought to poverty, having broken its teeth, flirting with Vietnam, tightly controlling the states of Latin America ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Thunderbolt

, first it was necessary to conduct a city REFERENDUM.

Yeah, let’s carry it out on every occasion - Increase in housing and communal services tariffs, increase in transport costs, parade of snow-removing equipment at the palace every autumn and the same predictable absence of snowmobile equipment in the early days of snowfall - you can throw up all day, and who will do things. Judging by the turnout, only 1-2% of the population will go to your referenda.
And yes, the winners write the story, and therefore, I recommend once again to look at our national flag.
The idea of ​​a monument is good, but, in my opinion, difficult to implement - if for so many years we cannot clearly articulate a national idea, then the image for the monument is even more so.

[insular]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Such actions split the society and, in my humble opinion, the city REFERENDUM had to be held first.

The split in society is brought about by the "pharaoh" who lies in the "pyramid" in the capital of our country. Which, like the savages, is called the "leader".

[Gardamir]

HARA TO US FIGHT

But did we fight with someone when the tagged who came to power started perestroika. Here I rebuilt.

[Hapfri]

when the tagged came to power started perestroika. Here I rebuilt.

It all started with publicity. They opened up the stinking Bolshevik cesspool, and the ideology that was held on lies collapsed.

[INVESTOR]

massacres during the years of white terror,

And what about red terror, right up to the advent of Stalin, lawlessness was repaired. Kolchak is a part of our stories and you cannot throw him out of it anywhere.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: lelikas

let’s carry it out for every reason - An increase in housing and communal services tariffs, a rise in the cost of travel in vehicles, a parade of snow-removing equipment at the palace and every autumn

This is what happens in Switzerland. They have very developed people's self-government and vote often. Many topics sound even comical, but they don't seem to get tired of such a fun life. And about the fact that the topic of this particular tablet is secondary for the townspeople, but after all, this turns into a tendency (exaltation of some and oblivion of others). And the whole essence of the problem is that supporters of the statehood find broad support for the government (we can say that the government itself initiates these processes), BUT the "conditionally reds" do not have their own weighty representation in power, and this is in vain, because. "Left" sentiments among the people are strong enough.

Quote: lelikas

Judging by the turnout, only 1-2% of the population will go to your referenda.

I didn’t go. did not doubt that they would elect those “who are supposed to.” In fact, failure to attend the elections is a very formidable signal! This suggests that our Duma did not receive a real mandate of trust from the people. The procedure has been followed, but this meeting of deputies is hardly capable of conduct an honest and open discussion with the government, skillfully oppose it.
In short, in contrast to power, we have clowns and political dwarfs. And this is the main mistake. It’s easy to manage such a booth, but systemic negative phenomena will accumulate. Like: we have a tsar and a tsarist party, and the rest, let them also be for the crowd. Huge mistake, the opposition needs to be cherished and cherished. All reactionaries will immediately go to jail if they want a violent change of power. And with a good and balanced opposition, you can do many good things for the Motherland.
The national idea could be to love your neighbor, the street where you live, to love the orphans (so that there are no such concepts as "orphanage" --- everyone in families, total adoption) .State thinking about what is more profitable for the state --- huge money collected from the excise tax on vodka or a solid people breeding and multiplying. I think that in the enlightened 21st century it is quite possible to come up with a way to get rid of this anti-popular remedy.
P.S. I have already come up with a motto: "life for the sake of life")))

[Gardamir]

you can’t throw him out of it anywhere.

why throw it away? Let it lie where it was, or else they decided to hang the ish, and even in St. Petersburg.

[OLD FART]

As I understand it, all these board installations are paid for (and not badly) by the West and their NPOs ... the Yeltsin Center is not enough for them .. are they trying to pit our people with these petty dirty tricks (Maringheim, etc.)?
So you look and Vlasov, somewhere they add a tablet ..))) In vain they try ..!

[tatra]

Yes, stop blaming everything ONLY liberals.
Who "solemnly" opened the Center named after the enemy of Russia and the Russian people Yeltsin?
In whose submission is Poltavchenko?

[OLD FART]

Quote: tatra

Yes, stop blaming everything ONLY liberals.
Who "solemnly" opened the Center named after the enemy of Russia and the Russian people Yeltsin?
In whose submission is Poltavchenko?

We played along with you, just ... Had then to the west to reassure you and the liberals!
All these centers and boards ... This is a bone to the liberals ..! We will lead the children there so that they spit on it and remember everything .... How they humiliate Russia! And remember ...

[Hapfri]

Who "solemnly" opened the Center named after the enemy of Russia and the Russian people Yeltsin?
In whose submission is Poltavchenko?

From it is Che Petrovich. The Reds decided to run into the President. Here he is praised Savetsky patriotism. The next stage is the preparation of the coup. A la maidan. America will give you money. Or are you more used to having business with Germany?

[Gardamir]

West and their NPOs.

Why are you blocking the Kremlin?

[OLD FART]

Quote: Gardamir

West and their NPOs.

Why are you blocking the Kremlin?

I'm not blocking anyone ...

So something ...

[Karabin]

Quote: STARPER

So something ..

With cowards and alarmists it’s clear. Here's what to do with cheers-patriotic idiots, even Stalin did not know.

[RUSS]

Quote: BARKAS

Well, again there will be a noise about Kolchak and the board will be removed soon.

Will not be removed as-one (board) is the sixth already in Russia! In Yekaterinburg, in Omsk, Irkutsk, Vladivostok and even in St. Petersburg there is one more! In the building of the Marine Corps!

[Uncle Murzik]

My proposal is white: Do you want a board - please. But put alongside the explanation that Kolchak died as an English citizen, and cut down the verdict of the Irkutsk RVK regarding Kolchak in stone, and engrave the modern judicial refusals of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in Kolchak’s rehabilitation.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Do you want a board - please. But add an explanation that Kolchak died as an English citizen, and cut down the verdict of the Irkutsk RVK regarding Kolchak in stone, and engrave the modern judicial refusals of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in Kolchak’s rehabilitation

Uncle Murzik would first have to find her, rehabilitation then. Then at least hang themselves with all kinds of boards.

[bouncyhunter]

Our people are not taught history by anything ... Perhaps the film is to blame ...

[RUSS]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Our people are not taught history by anything ... Perhaps the film is to blame ...

You better fight at your place in Belarus for the dismantling of the monument to the ruler of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Olgerdu known for his aggressive campaigns against Moscow and his ambiguous attitude towards Orthodoxy, and we will figure it out ourselves.

[vovanpain]

Quote: RUSS

You better fight at your place in Belarus for the dismantling of the monument to the ruler of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Olgerd, known for his aggressive campaigns against Moscow and ambiguous attitude to Orthodoxy, and we will figure it out ourselves.

Maxim, you colleague forgot that in those damned times, we were one people of Belo, Little and Great Russians, and now we are just separated artificially, Pavel expressed his opinion and you have the right to accept it or not, but you don’t have to reject a colleague .. I know your opinion, Maxim, you know my opinion very well, we can agree, we can disagree. Only the colleague has not been fought yet, it’s enough to divide it into white and red, it’s enough for the Russian to pour blood. Sincerely, the colleague.

[vorobey]

Quote: Temples

- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles. The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire. And the rest is a good guy.

But can you give more details? so to speak, more extensively about betrayal

[hirurg]

Well, what for put boards and monuments to people to whom the people have an ambiguous attitude?
For example, the Communists will be against it.
I believe that it is necessary to perpetuate people whose exploit is undeniably undeniable.
It seems like someone intentionally wants to split the society, persistently and methodically.

[captain]

Of course, for example, Trotsky (Bronstein), Sverdlov (Yeshua-Solomon Movshevich), Uritsky Moisey Solomonovich (the first chairman of the Cheka), Lev Borisovich Kamenev (Rosenfeld, Lenin's comrade-in-arms), Grigory Evseevich Zinoviev and the other surname (big name) and monuments, their feat is undeniable, but Kolchak cannot, fought against them.

[34 region]

10.40. Rotmister! Of course I apologize! But there is such a question. Why did western countries help white people, but not red? After all, both the English uniform and Japanese tobacco and the American cartridge, and who helped the Reds? Helped for free (for nothing)? After all, if the Reds is a Western project, then why help the White? Why then were the Reds kept under sanctions? Can I find out?

[Makarov]

how is it red no? You would have taken up the topic more closely, since 2004 a lot of archival documents have been declassified, which indicate that the Bolsheviks actively cooperated with the special services of Western countries before the revolution ... it is doubtful that money injections would not be carried out at the same time, although there is only indirect evidence. ..yes and the British’s favorite trick is to fund both sides of the conflict ...

[Uncle Murzik]

Makarov, you are in Ukraine after the Ukrainians built the pyramids, and dug up the Black Sea, you can still see the wrong documents!

[Dart2027]

And who paid for their activities before the revolution? The struggle for a new world can be noble, but you need to live on something, and the struggle itself requires money.

[Makarov]

and besides stamps can you give out something intelligible on the topic?

[captain]

Dear 34 region, who told you what is free? It was the communists who shouted that they helped the whites free of charge, and that no one, no one, supplied anything for free. There are memoirs of the former count, later Lieutenant General of the Soviet Army "50 years in the ranks." He was a military attaché in France during the 1st World War. In his memoirs, he tells where the weapons, ammunition and other property, for which the tsarist government paid money, were put. And there were also attachés in the United States. Italy. UK, etc. Comrade Communists and modern rulers of Russia (mostly grandchildren and children of loyal Leninists) refuse to claim this money for some reason. Taboo about them. The recollections of the leaders of the White Army can partially shed light on this topic. And who told you. that the project of the West has failed? Before the start of World War I, the area of ​​the Russian Empire was 1 million km² in 21,8 (that is, 1913/1 of the land), in 6 it was 2013 17 098 km². Where did the earth go? The population was about 246 million people. and now it seems like 180 million people. Where have people gone? This is the result of the activities of which party and did not they (Anglo-Saxons and Zionists) achieve a lot? It is not over yet, the Leninist national policy has not yet fully fired.

[Finches]

As I would say, comrade Diana, here the bakeries pulled themselves up! Rotmister Yuri, and you, my friend, are anti-simit and pseudo-nationalist!

That's why you dragged all the polymers during the Civil War - you considered the people below you ... However, I already wrote about this to you!

[captain]

I am an anti-Zionist, and this is completely different, you my friend, like every communist love to hang labels for everyone who is objectionable. I have great respect for such Jews as Dragoonsky, like General Aleseyev. And after all, you have a party principle, who does not dream, is against us. By the way, it is not clear to me the Russian and the Slav how to admire the ideas of K. Marx and F. Engels, who in their works called for the destruction of the Slavs. You are my friend Russophobe, who is trying to fool the people.

[Finches]

I, I have nothing to do with the Communists, I am Russian and it’s a shame for the Power that it has comrades like you who call themselves Russian for some reason trying to put Russia under the Anglo-Saxons for the whole story, this is how your idol Kolchak or General Alekseev you mentioned , if you mean Mikhail Vasilyevich, who betrayed the Emperor for the sake of a clearly pro-American position of the Cadets ... Do not bother to explain why you, who consider yourself Russian, are selling Russia all the time, and, most surprisingly, under the loud slogans about its salvation?

[captain]

You hang up labels again, like all communists, but I didn’t write that Kolchak is my idol. As regards Aleseyev and his betrayal of the tsar, I didn’t see you in August 19 but at the barricades near the mausoleum. Or was it scary then? You, like all communists, save and do everything only in language.

[Finches]

You hang labels, don't you notice - "communist", "Russophobe", etc.? About "idol" - this is not a label, but only a statement caused by your irrepressible, though unconvincing speeches, in defending a person recognized by the court of the military tribunal as a criminal and still rehabilitated, and by the method of constant rudeness ... Kolchak betrayed the Emperor, together with Alekseev and others - fact? Fact! And then, in exchange for future power, he began to trade in Russia ... is it a fact? Fact! What can you object to this - just try without rudeness and any nonsense about communism!
By the way, on August 19, I was in Kemerovo and, as I remember, I worked as a loader in the finished goods workshop at the factory ... So I loaded the irons into containers, so I didn’t have time for barricades!

[Hapfri]

As Comrade Diana would say,

That's right here. The usual Waffen SS greeting. Herr the standard Fuhrer did not say there. Namely comrade. Without any Herr. And out of order turned to you. For all the fascists, both red and brown comrades to each other.

[Vladimir 38]

And do not say, it feels like there are solid communists on the site, who, by the way, have always read history one-sidedly.

[Hapfri]

it feels like the site is solid communists,

Sensation does not deceive you. The system of pluses and minuses adopted on the site for many years has led to an increased concentration of ultra-left on this resource. All who have an opinion are instantly expelled by mass minus

[Cat man null]

Quote: Hupfri

accepted on the site for many years

- HapfriAre you someone's reincarnation?
- if not, what kind of "long years" are you talking about?

Quote: Hupfri

All who have an opinion are instantly expelled by mass minus

- a lie
- boors and fat trolls were "driven out"
- all the others are perfectly normal ... coexisted, here

[Simpsonian]

... yeah, as in the party committee

[Hapfri]

- Hapfrey, you're someone's reincarnation

I'm someone's reincarnation. I had a dozen other names here. Only with you it was difficult here. You write something from the heart, you get a hundred minuses from the leftists - and in the ban. Such was "democracy" and "freedom of speech"
One of my names is Cap.Morgan.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Hupfri

One of my Cap.Morgan names

- I don’t remember, to be honest

Quote: Hupfri

it was difficult with you here. You’ll write something from the heart, you will get a hundred minuses from leftists - and in a ban

- and "leftists" - who is this? Communists and adherents?
- if so, then I also teased them at times. Record - minus 2500 per day rating
- but now - lafa, right? "I shout what I want"

It's boring ...

[Simpsonian]

more - the Zionists, and
still - not smart enough and very immoral ... with everyone who was above average and wrote what the crowd did not like (it was incomprehensible or was not immediately clear), it was the same after spitting and minuscating them, even if the written one was true.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Simpsonian

... with everyone who was above average and wrote what the crowd didn’t like ...

- myself too to those rank? IMHO in vain ...

Quote: Simpsonian

... it was the same after spitting and minuscule, even if the writing was true ...

- you, too, hike ... reincarnation
- therefore, you can remember this Uncle Joe
- it was a pro-communist troll
- but it was a smart and erudite troll
- and he lived for a long time, on which he broke - I do not know

So do not chase about "with everyone" and the like.

You, indeed, still exist only because the cons have been canceled.

Well, the devil would be with you. Read, sing, dance

[Finches]

Novel!

It seems to me like this or all the same, indeed, with the rejection of the minuses, trolls, and the extremely non-smart and aggressive ones on the site, it increased at times? They jump on all branches of VO, like fleas, on a homeless dog ... Or am I mistaken?

[Cat man null]

Good evening

Quote: Finches

Does it seem to me that all the same, indeed, with the rejection of the minuses, trolls, and the extremely non-smart and aggressive ones on the site, it has increased significantly?

- let's say this: it seems to me that way too
- however, it was predictable.
- disappeared with the disappearance of minuses negative feedback Online.
- without her Any the system is peddling, this is physics

[Finches]

It even seems that a man lobbying trolls appeared in the site’s management, sacrificing quality for the sake of attendance ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Finches

One would like to say that a man lobbying the trolls appeared in the site’s management, for the sake of attendance, sacrificing quality ...

- IMHO everything is easier
- the site is the media
- the owners (not the administration, namely the owners) of the site need income, and therefore attendance
- they absolutely do not need hemorrhoids. And with the cancellation of minuses, the site has become much more ... calm (I would say - fresh) and safe for its owners

So it seems to me

[Finches]

In general, in my opinion, he became worse - he lost some sort of zest!

[Simpsonian]

and it's a pity, with this "twist" much more people immediately understood whose it was ...

though not quite right away, when, after the first restriction, they were allowed to "sniff" about which the rules were not warned about ...

[Simpsonian]

with this negative feedback at the time the USSR went into the red.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Simpsonian

with this negative feedback in due time the USSR went into minus

- nonsense
- you do not catch up with what "OOS" is
- an example from life: for a person, environmental protection with the outside world is a pain, for example
- hot - burned - rolled away. But did not burn, remained alive
- there would be no pain - it would burn out.

This is what is called "negative feedback", to put it in a very simple way.

[Simpsonian]

yeah ... you, did he go a plus?

[Makarov]

Well, nonsense ... I hope that you wrote drunk ... because from your pieces of phrases it’s difficult to understand anything ... or you don’t know how to explain ...

[Simpsonian]

not everyone just ended up walking against the crowd

Quote: Cat Man Null

IMHO in vain ...

justify

by the way - lick on ... Israel is really a country not for people like you

[Simpsonian]

if this is an argument for you - they don’t like lovers of canaries and such a negative connection

[Cat man null]

Quote: Simpsonian

justify

- what? That, to put it mildly, do not sparkle with intelligence?
- yeah, well ... you yourself threw the little example:

Quote: Simpsonian

by the way - lick on ... Israel is really a country not for people like you

- Do you need to prove anything else?
- IMHO not ... for obviousness

[Simpsonian]

the example was higher to you about your OOS and about plus

to prove something is clearly not your intellect's business ...
modesty also does not smell

[Lust1g]

Think flat. He meant the installation of NEW monuments (to the heroes of our country, whose feat is undeniable), but did not mean those that were installed during the Soviet regime.
To demolish or not the monuments erected during the Union is another matter. And he will trigger a new civil war in the comments.

[Magadan]

in this case, it is necessary to demolish all the boards and monuments to the Bolsheviks. To them, too, the attitude is more than ambiguous. I'm not talking about Stalin. I'm talking about "faithful Leninists" - supporters of the "world revolution".

[tatra]

What do you know about the idea of ​​a "world revolution". The limited enemies of the communists believe that Trotsky intended to drag the Russian people around the world and start revolutions everywhere.
Those who are against the Bolsheviks are against the development of the country and the social benefits of the people and for the fact that, before 1917 and after 1991, there was a huge income gap between the people and parasites on the neck of the people, which turned Russia into a poor, backward, raw materials appendage and sales market sold to foreigners.

[Makarov]

Yeah ... only this idea destroyed one of the strongest countries of that time ... and somehow it didn’t spread beyond its borders, and yes ... it’s quite global ...

And yet ... the "connoisseurs of history" communism in Russia lived only a couple of years from 1917-1921 ... God forbid you to live at this time ... with all the benefits and satiety of that time ... and everything else was socialism and I hope we will not talk about the difference, since it is obvious.

[Uncle Murzik]

Makarov, you probably my friend do not know who overthrew the king?

[Uncle Murzik]

Makarov, the bourgeoisie, in alliance with a part of the generals, was preparing a palace coup to replace Nicholas II on the throne with his brother Mikhail. This conspiracy was assured of the assistance of the Entente. At the end of 1916 and in January 1917, the British ambassador Buchanan persistently tried to persuade the tsar to yield to the demands of the "progressive bloc," which constituted the majority of the State Duma, that is, to capitulate to the bourgeoisie. The Entente diplomacy hoped to create a government more capable of "organizing victory" and preventing the possibility of a separate peace. In addition, she hoped that the coup from above would help prevent the growing popular revolution in Russia. These hopes were not destined to come true. On March 12 (February 27), 1917, a bourgeois-democratic revolution took place in Russia. Tsarism fell.
In the fall of 1917, an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the delimitation of their activities in the matter of "helping" Russia. The United States took over the reorganization of Russian railways, England - maritime transport, France - the army. Soon, the agreement was modified: assistance to the Murmansk road diverted to England, and the western and southwestern roads to France. This conspiracy of the Entente imperialists implied not only widespread interference in the internal affairs of Russia, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence. Russia was in danger that dependence on the Entente would lead it to a state of an almost colonial country.
The Russian people did not allow such a fate to befall their homeland. "

[Makarov]

Yeah .. only you between these two paragraphs INTENTIVELY from this whole story missed another revolution ... that greatly influenced your Your Soon ...

"Autumn" of 1917 is December 3rd, if anything, even if you translate into the old style, you yourself understand, clearly later than the 7th ...

and about the modification ... of the "agreement" ... Trotsky gave his pack consent to the landing of the British troops in Murmansk ... Lenin and Stalin, in a telephone conversation after that, confirmed the decision ...

On March 1, 1918, the Murmansk Council sent a request to the Council of People's Commissars on the form in which it would be possible to accept military assistance from the allies, proposed by the British rear admiral Kemp, who proposed to land British troops in Murmansk to protect the city and the railway from possible attacks by Germans and white Finns from Finland. In response, Trotsky, who was the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs, sent a telegram:
"You are obliged to immediately accept any assistance from the allied missions"

And a big request is that I don’t waste my time and understand this issue on my own ... if you want ...

[Simpsonian]

Yes, all the same who then later in vain with his family murdered savagely ...

[Hapfri]

What do you know about the idea of ​​a "world revolution".

We all know about this, because we are faced not with theory but with practice, which in short can be described as hunger-cold-camps

[Simpsonian]

we know that he unlimitedly and permanently starred like ... and he didn’t need the Russians as a nation at all, so there was an absolute extermination of the Russians, they started with the very, most in order of priority, just don’t do it - comrade Stalin came to them all

[Simpsonian]

before him, the Trotskyists did with the Russian people what they later did in miniature the Khmer Rouge in Kampuchea, even worse, because it was still a matter of faith in Russia, and the Russians hindered and hinder the final formation of some world domination

[Simpsonian]

so he first of all drove the Russians to "take Warsaw" ... then he began to arrange concessions

[Finches]

Magadan

Kamrad, Kolchak, de jure, convicted by a military tribunal and recognized as a war criminal! Not rehabilitated so far ... This is first! Secondly, you are so happy for Kolchak, because, judging by your flag, he sold himself to the Anglo-Saxons and wanted to sell Russia to please them, just to become the king of all Russia (what remains of her), even a puppet state! ?

[tatra]

Both the White Guards and the White Cossacks were collaborators, not only in the Civil, but also in the Great Patriotic War, who collaborated with the invaders of the Motherland, the invaders and the Nazis.

[Simpsonian]

not all but only a small part ...
only Kornilov was a white monarchist.

[Simpsonian]

Was General Vlasov in the Civil Leader of the White Movement?

[Gardamir]

somebody

they say he was recently shown on TV, but I think he is always out of business as always. HPP however!

[demiurg]

In St. Petersburg, what went wrong on the plaques?
If you want the king a priest, figs with you, a ticket from Novosibirsk to St. Petersburg and back, I will whip up your rallies with a whip, if you pay, I will still crush the horse. But with a horse for some money (I feel sorry for the horse, I can’t ride a horse).

Kolchak as a researcher of the North can be remembered as a talented sailor, but who remembers this? Everyone remembers only the executions in Siberia.

[siberalt]

It seems that a funeral home specializing in memorial plaques, promoted by the Ministry of Culture, works in St. Petersburg.

[creak]

Quote: demiurg

Kolchak as a researcher of the North can be remembered as a talented sailor, but who remembers this? Everyone remembers only the executions in Siberia.

As they do not remember, or even do not know that Kolchak for military valor was awarded the Order of St. George the Victorious and the golden saber "For Bravery."
Judging by the tear in the comments, the civil war in the minds has not yet ended, and still instead of a color photograph with a whole palette of colors reflecting our rich and sometimes tragic story, we prefer to see it as a black and white negative ....
There is no white and fluffy in a civil war where a brother goes to his brother and a son to his father, be it Russia, Spain or France ....
And everyone had their own truth - in my opinion, this was brilliantly reflected by Sholokhov in his epic "The Quiet Don" and the Don stories.

[Vladimir 38]

It's nice to see and read sane, not frantic people. Thank. I fully support you.

[creak]

Quote: Vladimir 38

Thank. I fully support you.

Mutually.

[Finches]

You see, General Vlasov, at the beginning of the war he was also a brilliant military leader ....

[creak]

Quote: Finches

You see, General Vlasov, at the beginning of the war he was also a brilliant military leader ....

Admiral Kolchak, unlike the Soviet general Vlasov, did not serve in the Red Army and did not take the oath of allegiance to the Soviet regime, do you understand the difference?

[Finches]

He brought it to the Emperor and betrayed it ... You see?
I'm not saying that he openly worked for the British ...

I am surprised, comrades, foaming at the mouth, proving the correctness of the "whites" and the "wrong" of the Reds - completely forgetting that the personalities they revered were traitors! Even Nicholas II gave in his diary an exhaustive description of his entourage, including Kolchak, who spoke in favor of his abdication:"Around betrayal, and cowardice, and deceit" But it is precisely and, among other things, and because of this, the generals who betrayed the tsar lost their authority among soldiers and junior officers ... Now I am not arguing who is better or worse - "red" or "white", I am talking about a specific man - Kolchaek, for me he is an ordinary coward and a traitor! Do you understand?
This is how the Commander of the 2nd Army General Samsonov, being surrounded, shot himself and the Commander of the 2nd Army Vlasov ... Samsonov, the general of the tsarist army, is a hero for me, and the general of the Red Army Vlasov is a traitor for me!

[Tambov Wolf]

Comrade Zhukov, who fought in World War I, also swore an oath to the Emperor, then moved to the Red Army and became a famous Soviet general. He also betrayed the Sovereign. Why don't you curse him as a traitor ?.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Comrade Zhukov, who fought in World War I, also swore an oath to the Emperor, after which he transferred to the Red Army

And from Unter Zhukov, something depended on when they questioned the Commanders and they all except two spoke in favor of Nikolai’s abdication? Including your Kolchak?
And after renunciation, to whom is the oath?
Zhukov then decided, serving the motherland, and your Kolchak rabble who served ??

[Finches]

Zhukov, nothing to do with it at all - even though he was drafted into the Imperial Army, where he fought wonderfully and bravely! Now we are talking about a specific person - Kolchak!
But, if you wish, I’m not talking about ordinary citizens ... I’m talking about the generals of the Russian army, who were personally appointed by the Sovereign! Adult and held senior officers of the Empire who had real power throughout the country and had the ability to influence the entire structure of the state! That is - about the elite, which is the cornerstone of the political system of the country and which is under the monarch, its main strength and support.

[Tambov Wolf]

He gave the oath, he gave. How could it have nothing to do with it? You, too, probably took the oath of the USSR, and where were you in 1991? They chased pivas in the kitchen or stood in the forefront of the defenders of the USSR? Tell me. But it turns out strange. Some are out of business, and the rest are to blame for everything. Some have betrayed the oath, and the second ones are white and fluffy not traitors, they are not to blame. You write sometimes check.

[Gardamir]

the civil war in the minds is still not over

Maybe it’s over, but the question is who is stirring up the water. If you want to erect monuments to the heroes of World War 1, put it to Brusilov, but he didn’t go bad to the Reds, so he is a villain and unworthy.

[creak]

Quote: Gardamir

If you want to erect monuments to the heroes of World War 1, put it to Brusilov, but he didn’t go bad to the Reds, so he is a villain and unworthy.

A similar story is with Yudenich, who brilliantly proved himself on the Caucasian front in WWI, but the monument is also not worthy because it fought for the whites, not Budyonny — that means a hired man and a scoundrel ....
By the way, an impersonal monument to the participants of WWI not so long ago appeared on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow - better late than never ...

[Bloodsucker]

In August 1917, a photo reporter for the Iskra magazine recorded his participation in the work of the State Conference in Moscow. Apparently, the beginning of Yudenich's participation in the Russian political struggle belongs to this time. Support for his performance of the gene. L. G. Kornilova showed that his sympathies are completely on the side of those who consider it possible to restore Russian statehood and the army through a harsh military dictatorship.

Once again, Yudenich ended up in Petrograd after October 1917. Immediately turning into an illegal position, he, using his contacts in the guards and the headquarters of the Petrograd military district, devoted much time to the Petrograd anti-Bolshevik underground. But there was no need to count on speaking out against the Bolsheviks in Petrograd, and in late November 1918 Yudenich and his family moved to Finland.

Here, the general made contacts with the British secret services, the General Staff of Finland and the Swedish government structures 13. He is also in talks with the regent of independent Finland, Baron K. G. Mannerheim, a former officer of the Russian Horse Guards and Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Army. By the beginning of 1919, from the local Karelian peasants, under the leadership of Russian and Finnish officers, it was possible to create detachments of the so-called Ingermanland Army, operating on the Karelian Isthmus during the battles for Petrograd.
Well?
Let us reassure him the same monument, for communications and service to foreigners?
Yudenich before February and Yudenich after, two completely different assessments, but those who served foreigners, no matter how hard he was in the past, will remain with the stigma of Judas the traitor, he fought against the PEOPLE, against the COUNTRY, for his selfish and generally for foreign interests.
http://istorja.ru/forums/topic/714-nikolay-nikola
evich-yudenich /

[V.ic]

Another provocation. They forgot to add that he was an English agent in 1919-1920. "Got" already the so-called. "whites" and their patrons in the highest echelons of power!

[Cat]

“Alexander Vasilievich Kolchak (1874-1920) - Russian military and political figure, naval commander, oceanographer, polar explorer. During the Civil War he was one of the leaders of the White Movement, held the post of supreme commander of the Russian army. On the night of February 6-7, 1920, he was shot by order of the Irkutsk Military Revolutionary Committee, ”the agency recalls.

Somehow everything is one-sided! Yes, the dead need either good or nothing.
But let's be truthful, first of all before our conscience and our ancestors and somewhere in the middle after the words ", he held the post of the supreme commander of the Russian army ... let us indicate how many human sacrifices it cost the workers of the Urals and Siberia. What atrocities the White Guards did and White Czechs in Russia with his connivance, and much, much more. Or simply after the words "Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army" to put an end to the years of the admiral's life.
It is necessary to be weighed in making such decisions, especially with regard to participants in the civil war, where there are no heroes by definition.
In this connection, the text of the plaque is an example to follow, which will be accepted by any resident of Russia. See text:
"The outstanding Russian officer, scientist and researcher Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak lived in this house from 1905 to 1912"

[Magadan]

Quote: Kotischa

.... indicate how many human reserves it cost workers in the Urals and Siberia.

and let’s list under each board / monument the Red Army people who were killed by the Red Army ....

[Cat]

If we write who killed him, then we must write who he killed!

[Uncle Murzik]

My proposal is white: Do you want a board - please. But put alongside the explanation that Kolchak died as an English citizen, and cut down the verdict of the Irkutsk RVK regarding Kolchak in stone, and engrave the modern judicial refusals of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in Kolchak’s rehabilitation.

[Makarov]

Actually, this saying completely sounds like this: "About the dead, or good or the truth" ...

[Bruss]

De mortuis aut bene, aut nihil - about the dead either good or nothing but the truth! So it sounds in the original!

[Cat man null]

Quote: bruss

De mortuis aut bene, aut nihil - about the dead either good or nothing, apart from the truth! So it sounds in the original!

- show me, please, where in the quote you quoted the word "truth"?
- I do not see point blank ...

[Bruss]

Translation Difficulties - Sorry!

[Bruss]

Confused with this - "De mortuis - veritas!"

[Cat man null]

Quote: bruss

Confused with this - "De mortuis - veritas!"

- a hedgehog with a snake crossed, practically
- nothing ... happens

[Makarov]

De omnibus aut nihil, aut veritas

[Bruss]

Now it’s clear where the legs grow from!

[silverwolf88]

In vain we are so with our story ... from the whole white movement (with all due respect to certain personalities and their courage and courage) there are no one to put up public memorials ... they were too involved in the trade of Russia (perhaps Denikin stands out with his refusal to help the Nazis for the better) ... and too many atrocities are behind (shoulder straps) ...
This theme has something in common with the rehabilitation of Nicholas II (the king who defrauded the country) ... some kind of completely clownish indifference ... Another attempt to introduce dissension into society

[captain]

Dear silberwolf88, your quote; "from the whole white movement (with all due respect to some individuals and their courage and courage) there is no one to put national memorials to anyone .... and there are too many atrocities behind (shoulder straps) ...". Very interesting, I wish you to familiarize yourself with the repression of the Bolsheviks against the peasants who participated in the Tambov, Chepanny, Shadrinsk, Kronstadt series of other uprisings. The great commander Tukhachevsky even lovingly used gases against the peasants. They say. that at that time only Western countries used against blacks. Apparently the peasants of Tambov were negros for the people's power. In the USSR, they wrote only about the atrocities of the Whites, and it was not accepted to write about the atrocities of the Reds. And they began to commit atrocities after the victory. Filatov (assistant to the well-known "Zh..Idobandera" Kolomoisky); you need to promise everything, we will hang on that.

[Finches]

I wanted to call you the Black Hundreds, but apparently, you, the Vlasovites ... It’s exactly the same position as the leader of the ROA, which went down in history as the Smolensk manifesto issued at the end of 1942, when the Germans were stopped near Moscow at the cost of unprecedented courage and driven back :

Your posts, like a carbon copy ...

"Friends and brothers!

Bolshevism is the enemy of the Russian people. He brought innumerable calamities to our Motherland and, finally, involved the Russian people in a bloody war for other people's interests. This war brought unprecedented suffering to our Fatherland. Millions of Russian people have already paid with their lives for Stalin's criminal desire to dominate the world, for the super-profits of the Anglo-American capitalists. Millions of Russian people are crippled and permanently disabled. Women, old people and children die from cold, hunger and backbreaking work. Hundreds of Russian cities and thousands of villages were destroyed, blown up and burned on the orders of Stalin. The history of our Motherland does not know such defeats as were the lot of the Red Army in this war. Despite the dedication of the soldiers and commanders, despite the bravery and sacrifice of the Russian people, battle after battle was lost. The reason for this is the rottenness of the entire Bolshevik system, the mediocrity of Stalin and his headquarters. Now, when Bolshevism was unable to organize the country's defense, Stalin and his clique continue to drive people to death with the help of terror and false propaganda, wishing to hold on to power at the cost of the blood of the Russian people for at least some time. "

[Caretaker]

Is the "White Movement" a movement of the White Ribbons?
In any case, their goals and methods are the same, and financing would not hurt to check.
Another provocation!

[RUSS]

Quote: Caretaker

Is the "White Movement" a movement of the White Ribbons?
In any case, they have the same goals and methods.

You write nonsense, to begin with, in the internet, clarify for yourself what is "White heritage", in the article the author generally made a mistake calling this organization "White movement", and not "heritage".

[Caretaker]

Clarified. Reality turned out to be even worse than expected.

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http://dimka34.livejournal.com/4784915.html

[RUSS]

Quote: Caretaker

Clarified. Reality turned out to be even worse than expected.

In 2017, the White Heritage cultural center will be located in the Novospassky Monastery. It is created at the initiative of the White Movement Memory Fund.
The center will take its place in the North Tower of the monastery, which since the XNUMXth century has been the burial place of the Romanov boyars, Interfax reports citing the website of the Russian Church Abroad. The White Heritage promises to become a multimedia venue where lectures, seminars, film screenings, and conferences will take place. “It is deeply symbolic that this organization will be located in the tower of the monastery, which since the XNUMXth century has been the burial place of the Romanov boyars,” said the deputy governor of the monastery, Resurrection Savva, at the presentation of the foundation in Moscow.
The creators of the center set themselves the task of helping current generations to comprehend the exploits of the White movement participants, to talk about life and life in the locations of the Russian army in Gallipoli, Bizert, Lemnos and other places, about the life of Russian exiles abroad. In the center there is an exposition that will tell about the life of Russian communities in a foreign land and the activities of the Gallipoli Society. Special attention will be paid to the return of the descendants of white warriors to Russia.
“Our goal is to show the power of faith and moral ideals of white warriors, as well as the role and importance of the Russian Orthodox Church in preserving the spirit and national consciousness of Russian communities abroad,” said Alexey Grigoryev, head of the Union of Descendants of Gallipoli, with the help of which a cultural center is being created.
The Gallipoli Society is a Russian military organization created on November 22, 1921 by the ranks of the 1st Army Corps of the Russian Army, General Peter Wrangel, stationed in the city of Gallipoli (modern Gelibolu, Turkey) and in camps on the Gallipoli Peninsula. On November 26, 1921, General Wrangel was elected Honorary Chairman of the Society of Gallipoli for life, and General Alexander Kutepov was elected Honorary Chairman of the Council of the Society for life. It was part of the Russian All-Military Union (ROVS). By the beginning of the XXI century, it acted only in the USA.

[Gardamir]

financing would not hurt to check

from the Kremlin financing! Remember at least who hung Mannerheim.

[Hapfri]

Is the "White Movement" a movement of the White Ribbons?

No, this is a movement of Russian patriots. By the way, what did you remember about the white puppies, related to them, received help from them?

[Barakuda]

Then with such success it is necessary to return Dzerzhinsky to the Lubyanka. And then there’s a plastic parody (I don’t know, I haven’t been in Moscow for a long time, maybe that has changed)

[silverwolf88]

Dzerzhinsky stood in his place ... maybe he will return ... when the foolishness of the struggle against the monuments diminishes ... we will start to fight FOR ... there is nothing to do with monuments ... but the metro was built in Moscow by Komsomol members after all ... therefore and them. Lenin was ...

[RUSS]

Quote: silberwolf88

Dzerzhinsky stood in his place ... maybe he will return ...

In its place there was a fountain.

[Magadan]

Quote: Temples

Further add:
- an oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles

if he really betrayed the Tsar (that is, he was an oath-breaker) - then the jamb that they hung the board. Traitors have no place in the history of Russia.
Well, if all his crime is that he fought with the Bolsheviks, then, excuse me, in this case it is necessary to remove all the boards and remove all the monuments to the "red" ones. Not everyone in Russia supports the October coup, while respecting, by the way, Stalin.
And in general it's time to figure it out: Lenin-Trotsky is one thing. These are the monsters who destroyed the country, who lied from three boxes about "down with capitalism", and immediately after the Civil War began to build this capitalism called NEP.
Stalin, as you know, interrupted all these "faithful Leninists" and really began to build Socialism, began Industrialization, brought the country from a plow to an atomic bomb.
In a word: the topic is long, obviously not for one post. But those who fought against the Reds are also worthy of memory and respect. Unless, of course, they did not change the oath to the King, as it was, in February, 1917

[Makarov]

how could he betray him if the king and his brother renounced themselves?

[Gardamir]

yourself?

Is it how they woke up and went to deny?

[Uncle Murzik]

Makarov, the bourgeoisie, in alliance with a part of the generals, was preparing a palace coup to replace Nicholas II on the throne with his brother Mikhail. This conspiracy was assured of the assistance of the Entente. At the end of 1916 and in January 1917, the British ambassador Buchanan persistently tried to persuade the tsar to yield to the demands of the "progressive bloc," which constituted the majority of the State Duma, that is, to capitulate to the bourgeoisie. The Entente diplomacy hoped to create a government more capable of "organizing victory" and preventing the possibility of a separate peace. In addition, she hoped that the coup from above would help prevent the growing popular revolution in Russia. These hopes were not destined to come true. On March 12 (February 27), 1917, a bourgeois-democratic revolution took place in Russia. Tsarism fell.
In the fall of 1917, an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the delimitation of their activities in the matter of "helping" Russia. The United States took over the reorganization of Russian railways, England - maritime transport, France - the army. Soon, the agreement was modified: assistance to the Murmansk road diverted to England, and the western and southwestern roads to France. This conspiracy of the Entente imperialists implied not only widespread interference in the internal affairs of Russia, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence. Russia was in danger that dependence on the Entente would lead it to a state of an almost colonial country.
The Russian people did not allow such a fate to befall their homeland. "

[nick.guda]

Quote: Temples

Further add:
- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles.

sorry can not be minus

[RUSS]

Quote: nick.guda

sorry can not be minus

Then you are in the social network, there are likes, you can play all day.

[Uncle lee]

"Apple" of the civil times:
Street, street!
Gad Denikin is squinting
What is the Siberian Cheka
Traded Kolchak!

[Magadan]

Quote: silberwolf88

This theme has something in common with the rehabilitation of Nicholas II (the tsar who defrauded the country) ...

if a person was betrayed - is this his cant? And Caesar, whom Brutus slaughtered - also, it turns out, a bad man?
And Vlasov betrayed Stalin. And Khrushchev. Let us accuse Stalin that he "profiled" all the achievements of socialism!
Or maybe it is correct to write: "the special services of the Empire profiled the country"? And by the way, did the USSR secret services profuse the USSR?

[silverwolf88]

no need to juggle ... turn into a superficial discussion ...
A powerful country inherited from Alexander III ... and he profiled it ... the analogy of modernity Mr. (understand correctly) Gorbachev ...

[Makarov]

Well, yes, but "profukal" is not superficial!)

[Dart2027]

Quote: silberwolf88

and he profiled it ... the analogy of modernity Mr. (understand correctly) Gorbachev

Gorbachev was a conscious traitor, so the analogy is not true. Nicholas II can be blamed for weakness, but this is a little different.

[Caretaker]

Quote: captain

Of course, for example, Trotsky (Bronstein), Sverdlov (Yeshua-Solomon Movshevich), Uritsky Moisey Solomonovich (the first chairman of the Cheka), Lev Borisovich Kamenev (Rosenfeld, Lenin's comrade-in-arms), Grigory Evseevich Zinoviev and the other surname (big name) and monuments, their feat is undeniable, but Kolchak cannot, fought against them.

What country do you live in?
Where did you see the monuments to these statesmen?

[Magadan]

the metro station in Moscow still bears the name of a monster, whose hand did not flinch even to shoot children !!!

[tatra]

What kind of children? Who shot?
If this is just another nonsense about the "onizhedeti" of Nicholas II, then, firstly, monarchs do not have children, but only heirs to the throne, and the "children" of Nicholas II - princesses were from 17 to 22 years old, and Alexei was at the age when Peter II had been the Russian Emperor for two years and died.
And neither Lenin nor Sverdlov gave an order to shoot Nicholas II with his family.
You, enemies of the communists since the end of the 80s for the sake of BENEFIT and hypocritically praising "Saint" Nicholas II, arrange a hypocritical "Ecumenical lament" for his execution, and proved that you DO NOT care about all the killed and overthrown Romanovs before Nicholas II, and the terror and atrocities of the invaders.

[Makarov]

Well, yes ... and Alexei was at the age when Peter II had been the Russian Emperor for two years and died .... and this child died ... more precisely, he was killed ... twice shot in the head ... oh yes he’s not a child ... therefore he was pitied ... the others were stupidly stabbed with bayonets ..

And on this subject, archives are open ... and before proving something, read them, since they are in the public domain ...

[tatra]

And why do I need this nonsense of yours? I answered the eternal shamanic incantations of the enemies of the communists about the "children" of Nicholas II. It's probably okay for you to say "here comes a 22 year old child."

[Makarov]

First 13 years.
Secondly, we listened to YOUR nonsense for about 50 years.
Thirdly, the enemies of the Communists are also people.
And the last thing ... well, familiarize yourself with the topic before evaluating historical events. The archives were opened. If you don’t want to read diaries, testimonies, protocols from the "whites," read Lenin, Sverdlov ... Trotsky, finally. Information is available. And about the murder of Rasputin and about Kolchak and about the Czechoslovak corps, so that they all hiccup in the next world ...

[Old warrior]

Well, I understand, you were definitely there. By the way! Where does this knowledge of details come from?

[Hapfri]

What kind of children? Who shot

Voikov. Not? There is still krasin. The family of Ulyanovs in toponymy is represented by different frunze. ...

, monarchs do not have children, but only heirs to the throne, and the "children" of Nicholas II - princesses were from 17 to 22 years old, and Alexei was at the age when Peter II had already spent two years

Well, are you here demonstrating the bestial perverted ideology of communism

And neither Lenin nor Sverdlov gave an order to shoot Nicholas II with his family.

Any criminal, after he is called to account, begins to bustle, make excuses and blame everything on the performer. Right now. Yurovsky himself, under his own responsibility. Well then he was not punished for arbitrariness and murder? So ORDER ALL WAS THERE

[Tambov Wolf]

You also probably have no children, but there are heirs to apartments and summer cottages with a garden. Otherwise, you would know that a child at any age is a child for parents, not for monsters of the human race. But you probably like Europe, with same-sex couples. There are no parents and no children either. And you don’t get sick.

[Caretaker]

You Magadan, like the captain, inattentively read messages.
Well, at least you are not discussing Mannerheim's board.
I repeat - "monuments the listed statesmen "

[Hapfri]

Where did you see the monuments to these statesmen?

So you do not know? They were all there. Only Stalin demolished everything and renamed it in the ass.
For example, there was the city of Trotsk. And now Gatchina. Learn history, and then look sluggish.
Read at least something other than Uchpedgiz, since these figures were demolished, then Lenin's idols are in the furnace. Or put monuments to the heroes of the civilian on the other hand. That's right

[Caretaker]

Seeing and hearing are not the same thing.
Did you see these monuments?

Following your logic, if the monuments to the listed figures were demolished, then the monuments to the counter-revolutionaries should also be removed.

[shibi]

In Irkutsk there is a monument to Admiral Kolchak.
No one protests, no one rallies.
It stands and stands next to the place of execution.

[asher]

And we Siberians are calm people! I will calmly travel to Lake Baikal and break this muck, as well as various commemorative signs for the white scum, which, like grebes, appear in our city in the Irkutsk region!

[shibi]

You didn’t set, it’s not for you to break.
And you’ll begin to boil, also the calm Irkutsk inhabitants will break the face.
This is our story, and not for you to decide.

[Altona]

Quote: vorobey

in more detail about betrayal is possible?

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http://www.pravoslavie.ru/37054.html вот тут по ссылочке почитайте хотя бы, узнаете много интересного о полярном исследователе, к которому пришел песец.

[Magadan]

Thanks for the link:

"Whatever it was, but Kolchak immediately and completely recognized both the February coup and the regime of the Provisional Government. On March 5, Kolchak ordered a prayer service and a parade to mark the victory of the revolution, at a rally in Sevastopol" expressed loyalty to the Provisional Government. "

in this case, it turns out that the traitor .... Hanging boards to traitors is a crime. As well as hang boards to enemies of Russia (such as Mannerheim)

[72jora72]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Temples

- Oath-criminal who betrayed the Russian Empire during the time of troubles. The betrayer of Jesus Christ, by whose name he vowed to defend the King and the interests of the Empire. And the rest is a good guy.

But can you give more details? so to speak, more extensively about betrayal

Learn history and don't ask stupid questions.

[antiaircrafter]

Well, have you been bullied so much over Peter lately?
That bridge Kadyrovsky .... then the board Mannerheim .... now they remembered Kolchak ...
Who's next?

[V.ic]

Quote: antiaircrafter

Who's next?

I think that over time, the turn will reach Vlasov!

[silverwolf88]

Peter is generally a strange city ... it’s definitely said the devastation begins with closets ... it’s not accepted to clean the streets from snow (personal experience of observing for many years ... and last week in particular) ... beautiful buildings (Paris and other Rome have a rest) in extremely neglected state (there is a constant loss of authenticity) ... although the city’s budget with the relocation of Gazprom has increased significantly !!!
Something is going on with heads

[antiaircrafter]

Well do not tell. At least in my area even the yards were trying to clean. Inconscient motorists discouraged.

[Rurikovich]

A person needs to be judged by his combined actions! Moreover, a historical character who cannot fix his shoals!
As a person, commander and admiral, Kolchak was one of the best before the revolution. Subsequently, after the revolution, he was engaged in the fact that he fought against, in his opinion. enemies of their country. BUT! Winners are not judged, and Kolchak by his actions became by no means a hero. A new country has appeared. And therefore, in aggregate, it simply needs to be left alone. Part of his life he served Russia, part of his life he was against the new Russia. Judging by individual periods to hang up a board only because at one moment he was good and forgetting about other moments is wrong. So it is about Mannerheim. Need to be judged by totality, and if a character combined has brought evil to the country, does he deserve honor ???
Personally, I am against such "honor"
A person should be evaluated for all acts, and not for those that are needed at the moment

[silverwolf88]

I agree with the author ...
"And you don't need to stick the whole set here"

[Djuma-13]

they forgot to write "ghoul and crazy cocaine" on the sign

[Uncle Murzik]

Djuma-13 is also an adulteress!

[Altona]

Quote: Magadan

But those who fought against the Reds are also worthy of memory and respect. Unless, of course, they did not change the oath to the Tsar, as it was, in February 1917

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Ohhh, it started. That is, all kinds of collaborators, compromisers, who invited the interventionists to foment the Civil War, who took money from London and Wall Street to this cause, are worthy of respect? Which created entire armies to destroy their own former slave