V.G. Grabin. From postmen to gunsmiths

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It would seem that the Krasnodar Post Office and the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation have in common? From 1914 to 20, a guy named Vasily worked at the first institution. It is unlikely that someone then could have guessed that in a few decades he would be the chief designer of the Central Scientific Research Institute No. XXUMX, which would later be included in the OKB-58 (the current “Energy”). Now, both in Krasnodar and in the Moscow region Korolev, on the corresponding buildings there are memorial plaques with the name of VG Grabin.

All the twenties of the last century passed for the future great designer Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin as a period of constant study. First, the Petrograd Artillery School, and then the Military Technical Academy. Dzerzhinsky. After graduation, Grabin received an appointment to the design bureau of the Krasny Putilovets plant in 1930, and a year later he was transferred to KB No. XXUMX of the All-Union Arsenal Union. Soon, the two design bureaus, when combined, will be merged into a single VOAO design bureau, and in 2, it will be converted into GKB-32. By this time, Grabin was appointed first deputy head of the bureau. It should be noted that at that time GKB-38 was the only project organization involved in the artillery shells. True, Vasily Gavrilovich did not manage to be a deputy head for a long time - already in 38 the GKB-33 was disbanded, and most of the team was transferred to the Gorkov plant No. XXUMX. Here Grabin did not get the design work, but the adjustment of production. At this time, it shows the character for the first time - the middle of the 38's remained in stories our artillery difficult, if not a failure, period. Responsible workers Commissariat of Defense then believed that the barreled artillery is outdated and should give way to a dynamo. Soon, time will show that they were wrong, but Grabin did not wait for this and began to promote the idea of ​​creating a special design bureau, working exclusively on the artillery artillery systems.

New KB

Grabin’s proposal first interested the People’s Commissar of Heavy Industry Sergo Ordzhonikidze, then I. Stalin supported him. The result of the support at the highest level was the complete “legalization” of design work at factory No. 92 - before that, the development of new tools was proceeding on an initiative basis, and the then director of the factory did everything in his way, Grabin was almost fired. First, a group of enthusiastic designers was officially made a design bureau, and then the plant received a new director, more loyal to the work of V.G. Grabin and his comrades. Already at that time, that approach to business was beginning to take shape, which would later allow the designers-Grabins to become one of the best teams creating artillery. For example, there is often a statement that Grabin already in the 30s began to attract physiologists to design work, who consulted designers on the subject of ergonomics of the product. In addition, the team led by Grabin learned how to create tools in a fantastic time: the record in time is development tank ZiS-6 guns (1941). The customer was given only 45 days to design it. To put it mildly, a little. But the design bureau managed - the first shot of the ZiS-6 was made 38 days after the start of work. There are still disputes about how Vasily Gavrilovich managed to motivate subordinates to such labor achievements.

V.G. Grabin. From postmen to gunsmiths
76-mm divisional gun obr. 1939 F-22-SPM


The first weapon created at the 92 plant was the 76-mm F-22 gun of the 1936 model of the year. In general, a good gun did not meet the expectations - at that time there was an opinion that divisional and antiaircraft mission could be combined in one gun. But soon the unpleasant feature of such universalism became clear: in order to work in one “direction”, it was necessary to change the design, sacrificing the characteristics of another. As a result, in 1939, F-22 was finalized and replaced with F-22USV or simply SPV. At the same time, Plant No. XXUMX made tank and anti-tank guns of various types, but the division's ZiS-92 gun of the 3 model of the year became the most famous creation of the Grabin designers. It is unlikely that anyone in 1942 could have assumed that ZIS-41 would become truly legendary. weaponstherefore, his first steps were not very successful. It so happened that the first copy of the ZIS-3 was completed on the 22 June 1941 of the year. The next day, factory testing began, and on July 22, an experienced gun was sent to Moscow. The work on ZIS-3, I must say, was started in May of the same year in a proactive manner. Among other things, this caused a negative reaction from the head of the GAU, Marshal GI. Kulik. He did not allow to start mass production of ZiS-3, but demanded to make those guns, the production of which has already been established. Then Grabin decided to launch the production of ZIS-3 at his own risk. Only not explicitly, but secretly. Even from the manual. Here, the use of a launcher similar to ZiS-3 on the ZIS-2 turned out to be very useful. However, the new gun, in contrast to the SPM, had a muzzle brake - a rather noticeable detail that the "conspirators" decided to do in the experimental workshop. There it was precisely possible to manufacture any parts without fear of “exposing”. And so, in early August, literally under cover of night, the trunks with muzzle brakes were sent to the assembly hall. In the morning, before the military acceptance, several new ZIS-3 appeared. The receptionists, of course, reported upstairs and soon Grabin was called to the telephone - Stalin called. The supreme commander demanded a constant increase in the number of products, even at the cost of some deterioration in performance. Here, the ZIS-3 “dealt a decisive blow” to SPM — with the same quality, it was almost three times cheaper. By the beginning of the 42, the ZIS-3 was finalized and put into a series. This gun was destined to become the most massive artillery of the Great Patriotic War - during the war years, more than 100 thousand units were built. For the creation of new cannons in 1941, Grabin received his first Stalin prize out of four, and in 1942, the Central Artillery Design Bureau (TsAKB) was established in Kaliningrad near Moscow.

Soviet gunners firing from the ZIS-3 cannon at German positions


War is over…

The post-war years for the CACB were not so successful as the previous ones. First, the troops had a huge amount of completely modern weapons, and secondly, their views on the war began to change. In 1946, the TsAKB was renamed the Central Scientific Research Institute of Artillery Armament (TsNIIAV), but this had little effect on the organization’s future work. By the end of the 40-s, the new C-60 anti-aircraft gun went into the series, and the main forces of the research institute Grabin directed to the creation of large-caliber systems. In addition, the concept of “duplexes” and “triplexes” was actively worked out - the placement of two or three types of guns on a unified gun carriage. For example, on the basis of one mast 180-mm C-23 gun, 210-mm howitzer C-33 and 280-mm mortar C-43 were developed.

180 mm C-23 gun


However, due to some reasons, either tactical or undercover, only C-23 went into the series, and only in scanty quantities - only a few dozen of these guns were built. A duplex from the C-72 cannon and a C-73 howitzer was also worked out, but it didn’t go further than prototypes.

In addition, right after the war, work began on the C-40 anti-tank gun with a conical barrel (76 mm in the breech and 57 - in the muzzle). In such a barrel, the initial velocity of the projectile reached 1300 m / s, which made it possible to penetrate 280 millimeters of armor from a distance of half a kilometer. Also TsNIIAV did not ignore tank guns. By the 1949, the 130-mm C-130 gun for the EC-7 was created, but in the same year the work on this heavy tank was stopped. Need for a gun, respectively, was gone. At the end of 40-x and the beginning of 50-x, under the leadership of Grabin, ideas of an ejector for a tank gun, stabilization of a gun, automatic loader, etc. were worked out.

EC-7 in the tank museum in Kubinka


In the middle of 50-s, TSNII-58 (the next name of the Grabin Design Bureau, assigned after the organization was transferred to the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Medium Machine Building), was assigned a completely non-core task - to make a nuclear reactor. A group of physicists, headed by A. Aleksandrov, the future president of the USSR Academy of Sciences, was sent to help artillery designers. In July, the 58 th successfully launched the finished fast neutron reactor with the sodium coolant BR-5, located in Obninsk IPPE. Plutonium dioxide, being in the active zone of size 28x28 cm, allowed the reactor to be “overclocked” to the thermal power in 5 MW. At the beginning of the 70-x was reconstructed reactor, after which its capacity has doubled. From the middle of 80-x in the medical complex at the reactor began to conduct radiotherapy sessions for oknopatih. Research on the BR-5 reactor (BR-10 after reconstruction) was carried out until the 2002 year, after which it was muffled. In parallel with the reactor BR-5, the Grabin designers worked on power plants for spacecraft, more powerful nuclear facilities and other promising areas. And with 1957, the Central Research Institute-58 began to engage in equipment for guided artillery weapons and tanks.

July 1959 of the year turned out to be gloomy for Grabin. The Council of Ministers decided to introduce the Central Research Institute-58 into the space-based OKB-1. Vasily Gavrilovich tried for some time to resist this decision, but space was on the agenda. Soon, Grabin was included in the consulting group under the Minister of Defense, and in 60, he will become head of the department at the Moscow Higher Technical School. Bauman. In 1972, the October magazine began the publication of a designer’s memoir called “Victory Weapon”. A full edition of this book will be released by Politizdat only nine years after the death of the author - in 89.

Who are you, Comrade Grabin?

The great designer Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin died more than thirty years ago, but disputes about how he managed to create a new weapon for a half or two months still go on. How did it significantly reduce the price of each new gun relative to the old one? Why did his design bureau work like a carefully tuned clock mechanism? Grabin has repeatedly said that the design engineer should do as much as possible on his own - from a sketch to implementation in production. He must think over the part, work out its production and carefully monitor how the part is done in production. Sometimes they say that Grabin had a strong-willed, hard, sometimes even cruel character. But the merits of Grabin-designer, perhaps, outweigh all the "totalitarian methods" of Grabin-leader. In addition, his most famous tools were created in the prewar period and during the Great Patriotic War. It is impossible not to agree, it was a difficult time, there was no time for sentiment.

The question may arise: why the projects of TsNIIAV, made after the war, did not have much success? There are a lot of versions. Some concern changes in the military-political situation, others focus on missiles, and others “nod” towards some of the top military leaders. Thus, A. Shirokorad in his works almost directly accuses Grabin of post-war failure and constant transformations of his design bureau D.F. Ustinov. According to Shirokorad, Ustinov has held a grudge since he himself was Commissar of Arms. But the true causes of the problems of TsACB, TsNIIAV and TsNII-58 are unlikely to be established, at least beyond the prescription of events. Nevertheless, despite all the difficulties and hardships that stood in the way, V.G. Grabin will forever remain in history as the designer of the most massive and one of the best weapons of the Second World War - the ZIS-3 divisional cannon.
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  1. J_silver
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    20 January 2012 14: 08
    Grabin himself described in another way the history of adopting the ZiS-3 ...
    1. Odesit
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      20 January 2012 19: 32
      Yes, his recollections are described differently.
  2. Odesit
    +1
    20 January 2012 19: 23
    On the artillery systems of Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin, the USSR endured all the hardships of war, with them he recognized the joy of victories.
    The legendary ZISOV family was represented by our anti-tank and divisional artillery (and not only), which bore the main burden of hostilities!
    And let the designs have been simplified to the limit. the production quality was lame, the sights were worse than that of the enemy, but without these guns there would have been no victory. It is still necessary to remember by whom and in what conditions these guns were produced!
    Incompletely evacuated plant personnel, with a lack of the most necessary equipment, adolescents recruited locally, in hastily equipped workshops for this, in the most difficult evacuation conditions.
    Of course, the conditions at the Krupp factories were many times better!
    And the greater is the significance of the contribution to the victory of V.G. Grabin and all those who were engaged in their design and manufacture!
  3. +3
    20 January 2012 20: 08
    The author began the article with intrigue: "What do the Krasnodar Post Office and the Energia Rocket and Space Corporation have in common?" Maybe this is correct for a starter, but he did not talk about other, much more serious "intrigues" in the fate of Vasily Gavrilovich. Why not talk about the fact that the ZIS-2 cannon, which was put into service in 1941, is considered a 1943 model cannon? Where was one of the best anti-tank guns of the Great Patriotic War at the time when the anti-tank defense was assigned to the forty-fives and the ZIS-3 (model 1942)? Why not tell that the German RAC 43 is a Grabin F-22 with a bored chamber? Why did the T-34 have to replace the Kirov L-11 with the Grabin F-34?
    And what was Grabin’s first conical hole drilling embodied in iron, not on the S-40, but on the same ZIS-2, achieving an initial projectile speed of about 1000 m / s?
    I think that when covering such a serious topic, the author should have prepared more seriously.
    1. J_silver
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      20 January 2012 20: 15
      According to Grabin himself, they tried conical drilling before ZiS-2, then they had to follow the traditional pattern ...
      It is much more interesting that more than 800 barrels of "normal" caliber corresponding to the concept of a heavy tank were prepared on the KV, but they had to be sent for melting in the most difficult time ...
      1. 0
        20 January 2012 20: 28
        Yes, he wrote about this in his memoirs, if I am not mistaken, it was a question of 107 mm tank guns.
    2. Odesit
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      20 January 2012 20: 56
      RAC 43 is a captured F-22 with a bored chamber and a German muzzle brake. Successfully used by them during the war on various "ersatz". V, G himself spoke about the possibility of such modernization. Grabin, but unfortunately they did not listen to him.
  4. Odesit
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    20 January 2012 20: 46
    The manufacture of a tapered tube was caused by the need to increase the speed of the "magpie" projectile, they tried different barrel lengths of 45 mm, but nothing came of it. In total, we came to the conclusion that the caliber is 45mm. exhausted its possibilities. A new caliber of anti-tank gun is needed.
    Then they started practical study of the conical trunk (although this topic was developed earlier but did not have such progress) I was planning to remember the fleet in the late 30s to put 180 mm cruisers in service. with a conical trunk.
    The difficulty of manufacturing the pipe, and even more the difficulty of accurately cutting the conical barrel at that time, stopped the work. Although they received a magnificent initial muzzle velocity of a projectile at that time of almost 1000 m / s.
    But ideas and developments remained and after the war found their realization.
  5. -1
    20 January 2012 21: 10
    Quote: Odess
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    1. J_silver
      -1
      20 January 2012 21: 12
      I, too, was surprised at this information, but my hands did not come to check ...
    2. Odesit
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      20 January 2012 22: 00
      Quote KARS.
      "country and the Germans for some reason call them Pak 36 (r) in the anti-tank version
      with the above changes, and in the origenal 7,62 cm FK296 (r) "

      You are obviously confused with 76.2 mm. a Czechoslovakian anti-tank gun mounted on a T-2 gun carriage which was actually called "76.2mm. anti-tank gun, model 36." barrel length in calibers is not known, the designation was "t" - Czech and not "r" - Russian. No one is immune from mistakes.
      1. -1
        20 January 2012 22: 29
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  6. -1
    20 January 2012 22: 20
    Quote: Odess
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  7. Odesit
    0
    20 January 2012 22: 25
    Did you forget that in the Wehrmacht there were two types of designation of military equipment "through" and in itself the "old" designation system. Sometimes in different Germanic sources the same technique is designated in different ways. Perhaps this is the solution to this issue.
    Regarding the Czech - I'm talking about her.
    1. -1
      20 January 2012 22: 42
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  8. -1
    20 January 2012 22: 26
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    R 'СЃРІРѕРµ время Рњ. Rќ. РўСѓС ... Р ° С З РµРІСЃРєРёР№ No. Рё его сторонники РІ Р “РђРЈ Р · Р ° стР° РІРёР” Рё Р '. R". R “СЂР ° Р ± РёРЅР ° сдел Р ° ть РїСѓС € РєСѓ Р¤-22 унивеЀсР° Р »СЊРЅРѕР№ (РІРѕР» евовдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвдвР‹С € ения РґРѕ 75В °. РќРµРјС † С ‹РѕРіСЂР ° РЅРёС ‡ РёР» Рё СѓРіРѕР »РІРѕР · РІС‹ С € ения 18В °, РІРІРѕР »РЅРµ РґРѕСЃР‚СР »РІР °СРЏРЏРЅРЅРЅРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРґ RєRyo. РљСЂРѕРјРµ того, Р ± С ‹Р» Рё модерниР· РёСЂРѕРІР ° РЅС ‹РїСЂРѕС‚ивооткР° тнСРРСРІРСРСРІРСРР С ‹Р» РёСЃРєР »СЋС ‡ ен мех Р ° РЅРёР · Рј переменного откР° тР°.

    R'RsRµRєRsRјRІР »РµРєС‚ 7,62-СЃРј Pak 36 (r) состР° РІР »СЏР» Рё гермР° РЅСЃРєРёРµ РІС-СРЃР ° СРЃР ‹СРЃР‹ SЂRѕRЅRμR ± ± RѕR№RЅS <RјRo RєR ° F "Röhr ± RμSЂRЅS <RјRo, RїRѕRґRєR ° F" Röhr ± RμSЂRЅS <RјRo Ryo RєSѓRјSѓR "SЏS,RoRІRЅS <RјRo SЃRЅR ° SЂSЏRґR ° RјRo. RќRμRјS † C <RЅRμ RoRјRμR "Ryo RєR ° F" Röhr ± SЂR ° 7,62 SЃRј, Ryo SЃRЅR ° SЂSЏRґS <Rє Pak 36 (r) RЅRμ RїRѕRґS ... RѕRґRoR "Ryo Rє RіRμSЂRјR ° RЅSЃRєRoRј RѕSЂSѓRґRoSЏRј RєR ° F" Röhr ± SЂR ° 7,5 СЃРј, РЅРѕ этими СЃРЅР ° СЂСЏРЏР ° РјРё можно Р ± С ‹P € PµPє.

    РќРµРєРѕС‚РѕСЂС ‹Рµ РѕС‚РµС З РµСЃС‚РІРµРЅРЅС‹ Рµ В “СЃРїРµС † РёР ° Р” СЏР »Рё РёР · Pak 36 (r) троф РµР№РЅС ‹РјРё советскими СЃРЅР ° СЂСЏРґР ° РјРё. R ”ел Р ° ть это С „РёР · РёС ‡ ески Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ невоР· можно, тР° Рє РєР ° Рє советскРРРЅР№РЂР№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№РЃРЃР№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р№Р Р P ° P Р P ± C ‹P ± P * P С C Р P ° C Њ CЊCЃCЏ RI PєP ° PјP * C Р P X Pak 36 (r).

    ПеределР° РЅРЅР ° СЏ Р¤-22 СЃ РЅРѕРІС‹ Рј Р ± оекомплектом Рє РЅР ° С ‡ Р ° Р» Сѓ 1942 Рі. стР° Р »Р ° Р» СѓС ‡ С € ей гермР° РЅСЃРєРѕР№ противотР° РЅРєРѕРІРѕР№ РІСѓС € РєРѕРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёР ‚СЊ Рё Р» СѓС ‡ С € ей вротивотР° РЅРєРѕРІРѕР№ РІСѓС € РєРѕР№ РІ РјРёСЂРµ. Р'РѕС ‚тол СЊРєРѕ РѕРґРёРЅ пример: 22 РёСЋР »СЏ 1942 Рі. РІ СЃСЂР ° жении Сѓ РР »СЊ-РђР» Р ° мейнР° (Р • РіРёРїРµС ‚) СЂР ° СЃС ‡ ет гренР° дерР° Р “. RҐR ° F "SЊRјR ° Röhr · 104-RіRѕ RіSЂRμRЅR ° RґRμSЂSЃRєRѕRіRѕ RїRѕR" RєR ° RІS <SЃS,SЂRμR "P ° RјRo Röhr · Pak 36 (r) PI S,RμS RμRЅRoRμ RЅRμSЃRєRѕR ‡" ... SЊRєRoS RјRoRЅSѓS, SѓRЅRoS ‡ C ожилдевять Р ° РЅРіР» РёР№СЃРєРёС ... тР° РЅРєРѕРІ.

    RџSЂRμRѕR ± SЂR ° F · ° RѕRІR RЅRoRμ R¶Rμ RЅRμ RѕS ‡ RμRЅSЊ SѓRґR ° C ‡ RЅRѕR№ RґRoRІRoR · RoRѕRЅRЅRѕR№ RїSѓS € RєRo PI RїSЂRμRІRѕSЃS ... RѕRґRЅSѓSЋ RїSЂRѕS,RoRІRѕS,R RЅRєRѕRІSѓSЋ ° F ± C <P "of the PS RЅRμ Roes, RѕRіRѕRј RіRμRЅRoR ° F "SЊRЅRѕRіRѕ RјS <C € P" RμRЅRoSЏ RіRμSЂRјR ° RЅSЃRєRoS ... RєRѕRЅSЃS,SЂSѓRєS,RѕSЂRѕRІ, RїSЂRѕSЃS,Rѕ RЅRμRјS † C <SЃR "RμRґRѕRІR ° F" Ryo P · RґSЂR ° RІRѕRјSѓ SЃRјS <SЃR "Sѓ. РўРѕС ‚же Р '. R". Р “СЂР ° Р ± РёРЅ Рё РјРЅРѕРіРёРёРµ РґСЂСѓРіРёРёРµ РЅР ° С € Рё конструкторы РµС ‰ Рµ РІ 1935 Рі. RїSЂRμRґR "P ° RіR ° F" Ryo SѓSЃS,R ° RЅRѕRІRoS,SЊ RЅR ° R¤-22 RґSѓR "SЊRЅS <R№ S,RѕSЂRјRѕR · SѓRІRμR" ‡ Roes RoS,SЊ RєR ° RјRѕSЂSѓ, RІRІRμSЃS,Ro RЅRѕRІS <P №, Р ± РѕР »РµРµ тяжел С ‹Р№, СЃРЅР ° СЂСЏРґ Рё Р ± РѕР» ее РѕР ± ъемную РіРёР »СЊР · Сѓ, умеЈР€Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р €Р € Ryo S ‚. Rґ. RџSЂRoS ‡ RμRј RІSЃRμ SЌS,Ro RЅRѕRІRѕRІRІRμRґRμRЅRoSЏ ± F C <F "Ryo RїSЂRѕRІRμSЂRμRЅS <SЌRєSЃRїRμSЂRoRјRμRЅS,R ° F" SЊRЅRѕ. RќR ° RїRѕR "RoRіRѕRЅR ° C ... SѓSЃRїRμS RЅRѕ RїSЂRѕS € € P" Ryo RoSЃRїS <S,R ° RЅRoSЏ RїSѓS € RєRo SЃ RґSѓR "SЊRЅS <Rј S,RѕSЂRјRѕR · RѕRј Ryo P ± RѕR" SЊS € RѕR№ RєR ° RјRѕSЂRѕR№ . РќРѕ Р · Р ° РјРЅР ° СЂРєРѕРјР ° РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕРЅС ‹Рњ. Rќ. RўSѓS ... F ° C ‡ RμRІSЃRєRoR№ Ryo RμRіRѕ RїSЂRoSЃRїRμS € RЅRoRєRo PI P "RђRЈ (RїRѕR · R¶Rμ RѕSЃSѓR¶RґRμRЅRЅS <Rμ P · P ° RІSЂRμRґRoS,RμR" SЊSЃS,RІRѕ) RЅR ° SЃRјRμSЂS,SЊ SЃS,RѕSЏR "Ryo R · R ° R_RёR »СЊР · Сѓ РѕР ± СЂР ° Р · С † Р ° 1900 РіРѕРґР ° Рё Р Р Р · Р ° универсР° Р» ьность Р¤-22.

    РќР ° С € Рё СЃРѕР »РґР ° ты РЅРµ Р ± еР· РѕСЃРЅРѕРІР ° РЅРёСЏ РЅР ° Р · С ‹РІР ° Р» Рё РІСѓС € РєСѓ Pak 36 (r) В «РіР ° РґСРРЋРѕРѕ Ryo "RєRsR ± S'RsR№V". Несколько десятков РІСѓС € ек Pak 36 (r) Р ± С‹ Р »Рё Р · Р ° С ... RґRsRј. ЧР° сть С‚СЂРѕС „ейны С ... In the “РіР ° РґСЋРєВ” поступилР° РЅР ° вооружениенР° С € РёС… РёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРёРё RІSЂРѕС‚ивотР° РЅРєРѕРІС ‹С ... РґРёРІРёР · РёРѕРЅРѕРІ.

    P SѓRєRѕRІRѕRґSЃS,RІRѕ P "RђRЈ RґR R¶Rμ SЂR ° ° ° SЃSЃRјR S,SЂRoRІR ° F" of the PS RІRѕRїSЂRѕSЃ of the PS F · ° F · RїSѓSЃRєRμ PI RїSЂRѕRoR RІRѕRґSЃS,RІRѕ RјRј 76-Pak 36 (r). РќРѕ Р “СЂР ° Р ± РёРЅ откР° Р · Р ° Р» СЃСЏ, РїРѕСЃРєРѕР »СЊРєСѓ РѕРЅ уже проектировммееееееР(P "P ° RЅRЅS <Rμ 7,62-SЃRј RїSЂRѕS,RoRІRѕS,R ° RЅRєRѕRІRѕR№ RїSѓS € RєRo Pak 36 (r) RїSЂRoRІRμRґRμRЅS <RџSЂRoR PI" RѕR¶RμRЅRoRo In "RџSЂRѕS,RoRІRѕS,R ° RЅRєRѕRІS <Rμ RѕSЂSѓRґRoSЏV.")

    P '1942 Pі. РЅРµРјС † С ‹РїРµСЂРµРґРµР» Р ° Р »Рё 358 РµРґРёРЅРёС † Р¤-22 РІ 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), РІ 1943 Рі. - РµС ‰ Рµ 169 Рё РІ 1944 Рі. “33. Р'С ‹Р» Рѕ РЅР ° С З Р ° то Рё РјР ° СЃСЃРѕРІРѕРµ РїСЂРѕРёР · водство Р ± оеприпР° СЃРѕРІ
  9. Odesit
    0
    20 January 2012 22: 52
    The network was knocked down, I could not finish writing. The marking of the guns that you confuse in the comments from 20 hours. 20 minutes. today, not "r" is Russian, but "t" is Czech. Note.
    Рђ РІ остР° Р »СЊРЅРѕРј, Р'С‹ действительно РіР» СѓР ± РѕРєРѕ интересуетесь РІРѕ.
    1. -1
      20 January 2012 23: 13
      Quote: Odess
      Рђ РІ остР° Р »СЊРЅРѕРј, Р'С‹ действительно РіР» СѓР ± РѕРєРѕ интересуетесь РІРѕ.

      R нтересусь

      R ° РєРѕРїРёРїР ° СЃС ‚отсюдР°
    2. -1
      21 January 2012 14: 37
      Panzerjager 35R (German: Panzerjger 35R), full name 4,7cm PaK (t) auf Panzerkampfwagen 35R (f) ohne Turm


      Panzerjger I (Panzerger I) - German anti-tank self-propelled guns. Created on the basis of the Panzerkampfwagen I Ausf tank. B and is armed with the captured 47-mm Czechoslovak anti-tank gun PaK-36 (t) L / 43.4 (Skoda 47mm A-5 PUV vz.36).

      There are such with Czechoslovak instruments, but they are 47 mm, and 76 mm were not found
  10. -1
    20 January 2012 23: 05
    Quote: Odess
    P RђRљ 43 - SЌS,Rѕ S,SЂRѕS "RμR№RЅR ° SЏ R¤-22 SЃ SЂR SЃS,RѕS ° ‡ ° RμRЅRЅRѕR№ RєR RјRѕSЂRѕR№ Ryo RЅRμRјRμS † RєRoRј RґSѓR" SЊRЅS <Rј S,RѕSЂRјRѕR · RѕRј

    76-РјРј РґРёРІРёР · РёРѕРЅРЅС ‹С ... РїСѓС € ек Р¤-22 (РсР ± С. 1936 Рі.) P ° PЅPµ PєP ° Pє PЅPµ P PђPљ 7,62
    тР° Рє С З С‚Рѕ СЏ РЅРµ РІРѕРЅРёРјР ° СЋ Рѕ С З З РµРј РІС ‹РіРѕРІРѕСЂСЏ С З С‚Рѕ СЏ С З С‚Рѕ то путР° СЋ
  11. Odesit
    0
    21 January 2012 00: 11
    With all due respect. Called CANCER 43, 76.2 "r".
    I tell you! That the Germans had a double marking of tools and equipment. I spoke about this above, but for some reason you did not read my comments.
  12. 0
    21 January 2012 00: 29
    Quote: Odess
    Called CANCER 43, 76.2 "r".

    РќРµ СЃРјРµС € ите, Рё РґР ° же РґРІРѕР№РЅР ° СЏ РјР ° СЂРєРёСЂРѕРІРєР ° РЅРµ РїРѕРјРѕР¶РµС ‚

    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 43 and L / 48




    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 43,
    7.5cm StuK 40 L / 43

    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 48,
    7.5cm PaK 40 L / 48,
    7.5cm PaK 39 L / 48,
    7.5cm StuK40 L / 48


    7.5cm PaK 41 (Cone)
    7.5cm PaK 41
    7.5cm KwK 42 L / 70,
    7.5cm StuK42 L / 70



    7.5cm PaK44 L / 70
    76.2 mm PaK 36 (r) L / 51.5
  13. -1
    21 January 2012 00: 31
    Quote: Odess
    Called CANCER 43, 76.2 "r".

    Do not tell, even double marking will not help
    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 43 and L / 48




    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 43,
    7.5cm StuK 40 L / 43

    7.5cm KwK 40 L / 48,
    7.5cm PaK 40 L / 48,
    7.5cm PaK 39 L / 48,
    7.5cm StuK40 L / 48


    7.5cm PaK 41 (Cone)
    7.5cm PaK 41
    7.5cm KwK 42 L / 70,
    7.5cm StuK42 L / 70



    7.5cm PaK44 L / 70
    76.2 mm PaK 36 (r) L / 51.5




    8.8cm KwK 43 L / 71,
    8.8cm PaK 43, 43 / 1 L / 71,
    8.8cm StuK 43 L / 71,
    8.8cm PaK 43 / 2 L / 71
  14. Odesit
    0
    21 January 2012 01: 45
    CANCER 43, 76.2 "r". the length in calibers of the barrel is not known.
  15. -1
    21 January 2012 02: 13
    Quote: Odess
    CANCER 43, 76.2 "r". the length in calibers of the barrel is not known.

    To your planting of such an instrument in the German army did not exist.
    Can you bring a document, a monograph, a memoir where this system is mentioned?


    Regarding double marking ------- in armored vehicles I know, in art systems the first time I hear

    Quote: Odess
    CANCER 43, 76.2 "r". the length in calibers of the barrel is not known.

    give the second name --- and what is straight so long the trunk is unknown? and in the documents they wrote --- to give such a part of Pak 43 the length of the trunk is unknown?

    Have the courage to admit your mistakes.
  16. Odesit
    0
    21 January 2012 02: 40
    Again foreign sources of information. Well, where to go. There Halyavsky, but here it is generally not clear who is quoted.
    1. J_silver
      0
      21 January 2012 09: 11
      It is somehow not solid to persist in your delusions - you can hardly confuse t and p ...
      Personally, I didn’t seem to see any mention that the Czechs made anti-tank guns with a caliber of more than 47 mm - in any case, I don’t remember at once ...
    2. -1
      21 January 2012 12: 33
      What foreign sources? I ask YOU specifically to write where you met the designation RAC 43, 76.2 "r". length in barrel calibers is not known
      I would also like to decrypt.
      And if you don’t know Shirokorad - the most famous artillery researcher of both the USSR and Germany, then I would like to know where you get information from.
      1. 0
        21 January 2012 13: 19
        Kars, thanks for the info. He did not delve deeply into the question and believed that F-22 USV = RAK 43. (a source somewhere in memoirs, not from Grabin). Now you have to open the book you recommended and seem to agree with your point of view.
        1. -1
          21 January 2012 14: 33
          Please.

          If the Germans still use our guns
          7.62cm FK 296 (r) auf 5t Zugkraftwagen Sd.Kfz.6 (earlier version)
          7.62cm Pak 36 (r) auf 5t Zugkraftwagen "Diana" Sd.Kfz.6 / 3 (later version)

          This vehicle was a standard Sd.Kfz.6 with an armored superstructure mounted at the rear, in which the captured Soviet 76,2 mm M1936 field gun was installed. The German designation for this gun was 76.2mm FK 36 (r) / 76.2mm FK 295 (r) / 76.2mm Pak 36 (r). The modification was carried out in 1941, and 9 manufactured vehicles were designated 7.62cm Pak 36 (r) auf 5t Zugkraftwagen "Diana". From January to February 1942, they were all sent to North Africa, where they became part of the separate 605 Panzerjaeger abteilung.
  17. 0
    18 February 2015 12: 44
    The article did not bring anything new, everything has been chewed for 30 years already. Grinding the banality of the brain is not necessary.
  18. +15
    4 November 2017 16: 41
    good man
    good guns