The collapse of the USSR: millions of lives in exchange for "freedom and independence"

It is customary to speak of the collapse of the USSR as a bloodless, relatively peaceful event. According to the independence singers throughout the CIS, there is not a minute to regret the collapse of the USSR, since what happened in December 1991 was the most successful option of the inevitable divorce. They argue that if the matter went differently, and if Moscow tried to keep the Union, it would have been possible to avoid multimillion-dollar human sacrifices. Was the collapse of the USSR so bloodless and was our peaceful divorce the way many anti-Russian propagandists try to present it, and after them ordinary advocates of independence in some former Soviet republics, including those who are categorically opposed to the reunion?

It is very significant that the peaceful nature of the collapse of the USSR is recognized and emphasized by the official historical the science of most CIS countries, both loyal to Russia, and not so. According to a “strange” coincidence, Russian liberals also like to talk about the bloodlessness of the destruction of a single country and that it has become a saving good for its peoples. What do Russian liberals and Esengovian historians have in common, reveling in their independence? The answer, presumably, is obvious: both Russia is deeply disgusted by a strong Russia, and they both try to belittle the significance of all that is connected with its image, and everything Soviet becomes the main object of this humiliation.

Moreover, an unambiguous negative assessment of the collapse of the USSR has not yet been given by the Russian state itself, which, by the way, continues to be the official legal successor of the USSR, its historical continuation. Around the problem of the collapse of the country, public discussions continue, during which there are "undoubted advantages", "achievements" that would be impossible, do not collapse the USSR. Only Putin openly declared the tragedy of the collapse of the Union of all the representatives of the Russian authorities, let’s recall his famous words about “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20 century”. It seems that a person’s position on this key issue for modern history easily determines his moral nature and true ideological affiliation, putting everything in its place. The failure to recognize the collapse of the USSR as the greatest catastrophe, which entailed a series of tragic events, testifies either to the nearness or to the anti-Russian bias of the individual - everything is simple here.

So, we will answer the praises of the collapse of the country, who dream of continuing the separation, and say a few words about the "bloodless" nature of the divorce of the Soviet republics. At the end of last year, material was published on the website of expert.ru expert.ru, which was devoted to assessing the consequences of the collapse of the USSR in terms of real casualties. According to the publication, the number of victims of the collapse can be estimated in numbers from 100 thousand to 600 thousand people. First of all, direct losses that occurred during military conflicts on the territory of the former Soviet Union: in Transnistria, Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Tajikistan and Chechnya are taken into account.

The authors of the material draw attention to the horrific number of victims of these conflicts, giving eloquent numerical comparisons with the results of similar events in world history:

Losses in some civil conflicts

The number of dead and refugees (internally displaced persons) in armed conflicts on the territory of the former USSR

100000 killed in conflicts in the post-Soviet space - it is only officially confirmed losses that occurred without any doubt. Given the fact that maintaining adequate statistics during the same Karabakh conflict was complicated by the extreme degree of chaos characteristic of that war. In the course of this conflict, there have been cases of massive civilian deaths. In addition, the Karabakh events are also known for the fact that many so-called soldiers of fortune participated in them, accounting for the losses among which also raises big questions. The issue of civilian casualties, which continues to remain extremely painful for both parties to the conflict and has ghostly chances for clarification, deserves special attention.

Estimating the real number of casualties in conflicts in the post-Soviet space is also a very difficult task, because all these conflicts are characterized by the fact that they do not have exact start and end dates. For example, researcher Vladimir Mukomel in his work “The demographic consequences of ethnic and regional conflicts in the CIS”, analyzing the consequences of the first Chechen war, begins the counting of the conflict, and, consequently, takes into account its victims, from 1994 year. After the signing of the Khasavyurt agreements, in the period of anarchy, the record of crimes committed in Chechnya was not carried out at all. Thus, an adequate assessment of the victims among the Russian population of Chechnya seems completely impossible. The researcher of this issue, Sergey Maksudov, notes that in the period between 1989 and 2002, the number of the Russian population of the republic decreased from 300000 to 20000 people. How many of the 280000 Russians fled from the republic, and how many were killed over the years, it is very difficult to guess.

If so much in the evaluation of direct losses resulting from the collapse of the USSR, so many contradictions and insurmountable difficulties arise, then what can we say about the assessment of indirect losses, which are probably much more terrible than direct military ones. The collapse of health care, mass production shutdown, rampant criminality, the dominance of imported food poison, total alcoholism and drug addiction, as well as despair affecting millions of ordinary people — all of these phenomena resulting from the collapse of the country could not but affect the health of citizens in the most harmful way and do not take away thousands, if not millions, of lives ... Such is the true price of “freedom and independence” that Russian liberals and some esengovia historians like to say so much about.

Comments

[dimarm74]

The author also forgot that the population of Russia since 1991 decreased from 155 million to 142 million ..... Hmm ... 13 million lost .... This is a real genocide! Ayda liberals .... they surpassed all tyrants .... to comrade Stalin and the rest of their comrades before the moon .... They (the Bolsheviks) are great humanists just in comparison with the thugs of humpback and Yeltsin ....

[grizzlir]

We must not forget that the same liberals are in power now, and all this talk about the Orange Revolution is the desire of some pro-Western politicians excommunicated from the feeder to gain power and the desire of other politicians loyal to the West (whose real estate, finances and even children have long been in Western countries) to hold her.

[Mr. Truth]

taking into account migration, about 20 million is obtained.

[dimarm74]

So this is understandable ..... pipes are divided .. The opposition is who? Kasyanov, Germans, etc ... and even these chunks of Akunin and Kasparov ... The Germans and Kasyanov did not sit badly on the pipes themselves until they were pushed back

[Lyokha79]

Gorbachov, Yeltsin and all their Kodlu need to be judged, at least in absentia. Thanks to their efforts, a colossal power was not lost, technological ties were broken, the industry was fragmented, but the worst thing was to break family ties — they cut them alive. The conviction should be historical, and ideally criminal, because Neither Shukhevych, nor Kravchuk, nor Yeltsin was given the authority to sign the Bialowieza agreements, which means they are criminal and have no legal force.

[J_silver]

So there is still someone to judge in person, and not only for events before 91, there is something for which after ...

[Bob]

The collapse of the USSR is a tragedy for the country and all its inhabitants, who considered it their homeland. The traitors to the Motherland, who arranged this, went against the will of the people (referendum), and gave the entire country to the enemies to be torn apart, then it came to the collapse of Russia and the war in it. Take freedom as much as you want - this is the slogan of the traitors. And they must answer to the fullest extent (these crimes do not have a statute of limitations, as against the Nazis). They are all those key figures of the Yeltsin system, including the "bright" figure of Chubais, the country's main nanotechnologist (thanks to his actions, a general chipization of the country's population is now being prepared - universal electronic cards with foreign chips, which will soon be simply inserted into the head or hand to put the people on record), and in the recent past the country's chief power engineer (allowed and organized the activities of speculative firms on the energy market), and in the more distant past - the country's chief privatizer (ensured the appropriation and theft of the country's property by a handful of crooks). And we have more than one or two such nanotechnologists-traitors to the Motherland in key positions of the state - there are Khristenko, and Shuvalov and Serdyukov and Fursenko and company.

[dred]

Traitors for a long time already in other countries quietly drink wine and vodaru.

[Lyokha79]

Not everyone has dug in behind the hill; there is someone to take for sirloin.

[Nick]

If desired, and beyond the hillock you can get it. Stalin, at least, succeeded.

[polukazak1]

I well remember how in our stadium, by the way, the match was still the championship of the Union First League, they announce the descent of the state flag of the Union. The last time the anthem of the Union is played. The stadium stands and many tears in my eyes, in adult men, I personally have goosebumps skin and a lump in the throat. Then they fooled with the CIS. Three alcoholics and labeled knew what would happen, but to us, you don’t worry, the name is new, the country is old ..

[Uhalus]

We lost the Cold War. We were conquered without a shot. And they did everything the same as with other countries ...
I hope that I will live to see the time when Russia rises.

[Odesit]

What followed the treacherous destruction of the GREAT COUNTRY of the USSR can only be judged by those people who, on their own SKIN, felt the horror of the destroyed reality! Those many hundreds of thousands of families who, after selling their apartments and dachas earned by their labor, were forced to flee to where they will not call you - an occupier and a "RUSSIAN BARBAR" to Russia! (We were taken to Odessa during the collapse of the UNION) Those people whose fate was broken by the will of the VILIOUS traitors, those children of OFFICERS who saw their MOTHER crying from the hopelessness of a NEW LIFE! Those OFFICERS who faced the choice. - to hand over the PARTNERSHIP TICKET or not, TO ACCEPT THE NEW PLEASE OF LOYALTY TO THE NEW STATE OR NOT! And the blood of nations. spilled in AZERBAIJAN, ARMENIA, TAJIKISTAN, TRANSNISTRIA !? AND THOUSANDS OF MILITARY PENSIONERS REMAINING IN THE REGION OF THE "LOCAL ELITE" AND THE DEGRANATION OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BY THESE VILIOUS LIBERALS - ATLANISES !? Okay, that's enough. GORBACHEV AND IZHE PRISNYH WITH HIM, PERSONALLY QUARTERS! Honor and praise to those OFFICERS who, having survived these terrible times, were able to build their own new world, become the masters of this new world and give way to life for their CHILDREN !!!

[I627z]

I would like to ask a few questions to the commentators, Odessa in the above privacy, but also to others who are worried about the collapse of the USSR.
1. Why is the USSR sorry, but no one is worried about the treacherous collapse of the Russian Empire?
2. Why should Soviet officers be sorry, but there are no officers of the Russian Empire?
3. On the maps of the 1896 issue, there are no fucking republics, unions and other divisions - there is the Russian Empire, period. Including: both Poland and Finland, etc. Of course there are provinces, regions and so on, but I think the general message is clear? There was no need to arrange a union of republics. In the name itself, from the words: "republics" to: "independent republics" 1 step.
4. What experienced those people, the cat. left their country from the Bolsheviks? What was experienced by those who remained in the country, from the richest turned into destroyed, and then into a country of gullags. In a country where Pahan Stalin ruled?
My opinion is that the Soviet empire ran into a betrayal of its own people because nothing but betrayal and exploitation of her, she never dealt with or even thought of him as a People. (cogs). At the same time, telling everyone how our lives are hurt.
And yet, while we are (as they say officially) the only receivers of the USSR, we will not be full (lagging, embittered, etc.). We are the receivers of Russia and the Russian Empire. Bring back thousands of years of history to the USSR. (And it turns out like a fuss: we came to America and there are no more roots.) Personally, I feel sorry for the sincere Communists (simple) and honest officers of the Russian Empire. It is a pity that there was a separation, cat. brought the Bolsheviks. This is an irreconcilable division: it is not like that (class) - into bayonets.
And the last, idealizing the USSR is simply criminal, I also lived there and know what and how it was, it is definitely not perfect and moreover: I don’t want to go back to the USSR either in the 90s, 2000s or now. And I do not advise you.

[kostya]

no one remembers the empire because the living people no longer lived in the Russian Empire and do not know what it is. and they lived in the USSR, and the standard of living of the people was almost the same and there were no such run-ups as now (I mean, one for the last piece of bread scrape money, lives in a communal apartment or dormitory, and the other lives on and lives in a 3-storey cottage, he goes in a moere, because which I managed to grab and steal at one time), because in Soviet times they both sat down and were treated for free and there were a lot of all kinds of sports sections for children to spend their free time there, and not smell glue in the alley. I think that’s why people remember the Soviet union as a good time

[Municipality]

dred today, 11:15

Traitors for a long time already in other countries quietly drink wine and vodaru.

If you wish, you can make it so that dumping over the hill will cease to be an option. To create a department under the FSB, which would only do this - the goal is to inspire everyone - for betrayal "ice ax" in the head without options. For example, to send Mr. Berezovsky an official notice (summons) to the court, the failure to appear in the courtroom is considered an aggravating circumstance, in the case of a capital punishment (not about life now), an order to execute the above-named department. I am inclined to think that 10-20 years of successful work of this department would reduce the number of those who think that having pumped up in Russia it will be possible to live peacefully, somewhere on the islands. And what is the psychological effect - even if the valiant security officers do not reach the agreed upon, the person waits for punishment for the rest of his life.

[Odesit]

COMMUNAR! All right. Only from a legal point of view is not feasible! I press your hand.

[Astartes]

And the destroyers consulted from a legal point of view ?? Moreover, future traitors will know that they will still be reached wherever they hide ....

[Nick]

Quote: Odess

Only from a legal point of view is not feasible! I press your hand.

Everything is in our hands, dear Odesit. Now I read on the VM website, it seems like the Americans are killing Russian scientists who, in their opinion, threaten the United States with the development of new weapons. Without any trial, on the territory of Russia itself, including, there the presidential candidates speak about it openly, without embarrassment. So what are we afraid of? You can judge in absentia, but you can carry out the sentence wherever you get the sentenced person, even "in the outhouse" for example.

[Bob]

Quote: Kommunar

To create a department under the FSB, which would only do this - the goal is to inspire everyone - for betrayal "ice ax" in the head without options.

And on what enthusiasm will the FSB officers do this ?! What are their motives - serving the Motherland and more ?!
Recently I met a classmate, he has been serving in the FSB for 15 years, there are two stars on his shoulder straps. He said that their salary, in contrast to the military and the police, was unchanged (I heard the same from a conversation with an ordinary employee of the Penitentiary Service). From the conversation I understood his attitude to the reforms of the army and the state as a whole, and also understood his assessment of the cardinal turn of events in the state in the near future and his "desire" to participate in all this, and the last moment may be unexpected and shocking to me - his desire to find a quiet haven at that moment in time when irreversible and painful processes begin in the country (all in accordance with the same views of Joseph Brodsky - if you bother to be born in a great empire, settle on its outskirts, closer to the sea). In the past, in most cases, I agreed with his assessments, I agree now - the system will grind people into shavings when the appropriate command is given, and it seems that this time is very, very close (a military-police state is being created to harshly suppress dissent). I did not understand the details with him, and there is nothing to it.
I only suppose that a state of emergency will soon be introduced in the country due to external and internal reasons, with all the ensuing consequences.

[Astartes]

So you have to deal with the FSB as the tsarist secret police, those who want to help establish a new service, leave and recruit new, evil, fanatical idealists.

[SAMEDOV SULEYMAN]

Such a comparison cannot be made, any action of any scale, regardless of its task, leads to human losses. And then what to abandon the task? In China, 2011 people died in car crashes in 73, and what not to drive?

[Uhalus]

Yes, it’s different ... It’s one thing, you get in a car yourself, you get into accidents yourself, and another thing - the collapse of the country and its entire structure ...

[Bob]

Quote: Astartes

leave and recruit new, evil, fanatical idealists.

Yeah, just do it - to recruit new personnel exclusively from the "new" generation - the "Pepsi" generation, who don't care if they are brother, mother, matchmaker. Work is work - all the dissenters are "rubbish". And put everyone else on record - an animal seal on the head (a universal electronic card is introduced for this purpose, so that everyone can be registered with the authorities) and go wherever you want, only everywhere this subject will be found and when necessary, exterminated. The new order is "good" ...

[Astartes]

The Pepsi generation is never fanatical or idealistic) In any case, the Pepsi generation needs to do the same thing, re-educate, but someone still does not want to change the well-fed life of a computer to a machine, tractor levers, or a rifle ...

[Uhalus]

The Pepsi generation will not work for the country, they are not idealists ... But dissent ... We are all dissidents in our kitchen. If you don't want to go into the fence, don't take it out of the house. He began to rebel - do not be surprised and do not be indignant that they were caught.
And the accounting in the authorities ... Yes, it was at all times, it just changes a little with the map, but in principle everything will remain the same. Organs or bandits, and without any maps, found and exterminated, if necessary. And whoever the cards really "seize" - so all this electronics, if you wish and the ability to deceive ... And it's not a fig to confuse domestic politics with chthonic mysticism of not the best kind ...

[Conquistador]

Although I have not been to the USSR, I am sure (according to the stories of others) that it was better there. There was order in the USSR! We have some kind of garbage going on. They say that in the USSR they killed a lot of people, and now less, what? There were even more murders, but all this is hiding behind. Guess who? Now money is important for everyone, but in the USSR there was unity! Of course, now there are people who are just heroes of the Fatherland! But in the USSR it was still better! I like their symbolism!

[Nick]

In the USSR, there was order until the 87-88 years. Then such a mess began, All 90 continued.

[revnagan]

All the 90s there was no longer the USSR. The colossal betrayal of his people, his state by a tagged goat and his hangers-on happened in 91. It was a stab in the back. To his people. And how they fooled their heads in Ukraine with the "golden Polubotka". As we were told that we are feeding the entire Union ... But a few sober-minded people warned their friends and relatives that they were simply making a fool of us. And they laughed at us. And when we now meet with them, we tell them "Do you remember?" ... they do not like to remember this .About how they got fucked in spite of the warnings. And along with us, smart ones.
But what is interesting is that they miss, they feel nostalgic for the USSR, but at the same time, "well, them, these komunyak." True, not all. In general, I would very much like to restore the State, but apparently so far this is unrealistic. First, you need to deal with the oligarchs and you, in Russia, and in Ukraine. And then it is possible and necessary to build a Slavic common state.

[Strabo]

Some strange statistics, it is not clear where the author took it. It does not correspond to reality at all. A very crude article that leads to confusion. Need scientific justification. And where is the indication of what sources the author referred to.

[Ascetic]

A fierce ideological and information war was waged against the USSR, the ultimate goal of these wars was its complete destruction. Ultimately, the goal was achieved without any explosions and without any blood, everything was completely different. As history has shown, using information warfare methods can achieve greater results than ordinary warfare methods. Ordinary wars destroy cities and villages, but not the spirit. Together with the dust from collapsed houses, wars raise a very powerful impulse of patriotism and unity of the nation, which acts as a united front against a common enemy. At such moments in history, people very clearly distinguish lies from truth, they become purer in their spirit and are ready even for self-sacrifice to achieve a common victory. A cohesive people crush their enemy, and then rebuilds all the cities he has destroyed. As a result, the main ideologists and organizers of such wars suffer a crushing defeat: there is a lot of dust, even more blood, but no sense. In the information war, however, everything is completely different, no dust and no blood, only a stunning result.
Information wars do not destroy cities and do not devastate any villages and villages; they destroy brains and devastate hearts. After the implementation of well-targeted and very powerful information volleys, the nation rapidly degrades in spirit and loses the remnants of the last mind. People lose their culture, forget their entire history, and generally cease to understand who he is and what his name is. Everyone becomes on his own and does not give a damn about everything. As a result, no trace remains of patriotism and rallying of the nation. Everyone begins to extol their conquerors and praise as their liberators. This is exactly what happened with the Soviet Union, against which the most advanced methods of conducting information wars of the time were used. In fact, the USSR was destroyed not by soldiers and officers of the enemy army, but by screenwriters, directors, actors, writers, musicians and many other creative workers. They brought new thoughts, a new culture, a new style, a new fashion, new trends, a new mood and all this slowly but inevitably destroyed the foundation on which the great and mighty USSR stood unshakably and intimidatingly.
What will begin to happen to Soviet people at the end of Perestroika, not to mention the post-Soviet era, will surpass all imagination. Soviet people will not be recognized at all, they will be reborn before our eyes. They still do not have time to completely remove the red banners: “Our goal is communism!”, “Long live the CPSU!”, “Lenin lived! Lenin is alive! Lenin will live! ”,“ Glory to work! ”,“ Comrades are on the right path! ”, And so on. Meanwhile, clandestine and later official casinos will appear in the country, where tough Russian guys with gangster habits will play cards at a glass table, and naked women will erotically wriggle under this table. No one will even try to cover it all with some harmless signs, everything will become open. Legalize all forms of debauchery and shamelessness. They will start to sell drugs both wholesale and retail, everywhere and everywhere. The principle of "any whim for your money" put on a commercial basis. It will be possible to buy anything, there would be only money. Prostitutes will be ordered by phone, and they will be brought to where the client indicates. Wealthy old women will start ordering beardless youths in bed. The thing will come to the fact that perverts will start to buy children for their sexual orgies, and this will become far from isolated cases. It will be possible to buy already, whatever you want, just pay, everything will post its price tag. In the post-Soviet era, all this debauchery will even be openly advertised in the press, which can be freely bought in any newspaper stall.
The wind of change blew. In an ideological and informational war with the capitalist world, the USSR lost one battle after another. Perestroika with unprecedented enthusiasm tried to repaint a huge house in a new color, in which the foundation was cracked and all supporting structures were finally rotted. As a result, everything ended with what it ended with. Soviet ideology became boring and not interesting; it was gradually squeezed out and completely replaced by a completely different ideology, calling on everyone to rampant profit and a beautiful life.
The conspiracy that hostile forces launched against the USSR brought its real fruits. The Soviet Union completely, on the whole front, lost the ideological war, after which it was no longer needed even by those who wore a party card in their hearts. The party nomenclature, being at all levers of power, began to plunder and sell everything uncontrollably. A huge country became for them only a source of quick and easy enrichment, and they wanted to spit on it and the whole people. The time has come for the natural, regular, and simply inevitable collapse of the once incredibly powerful Soviet empire.
And then what started to happen along the entire internal logic of the events themselves began to happen. Union republics rushed to independence. Everyone began to accuse each other of parasites; everyone believed that he processes everyone, and living separately from others would be better and more prosperous. The tops of the Union republics wished to have independent power from anyone, which they could not have as part of the USSR. In order to make it easier and faster to destroy the foundations of the existing government, the youth began to start, promising them unprecedented freedom, and she sang: "We demand change ...". Everything and everywhere has set in motion. People everywhere spoke of only one policy. The "parade of sovereignty" began.
By the end of cancerous 1991, all the foundations of socialism were completely destroyed. Both the lower and upper classes became indifferent to what was happening and were no longer interested in further maintaining the communist system. As a result, the idea of ​​communism finally died in the hearts and minds of Soviet people. And why? Why is such a great and sublime idea to build a "bright society" completely depreciated? Because faith in her finally died. And as life itself showed, when this idea was dying, no one even remembered it, and when it disappeared, then no one noticed it, as if it had never existed. Why did this happen? Why did the same idea have such enthusiasm at the beginning and such indifference at the end? Because at the beginning this idea lived in people, and in the end, the idea of ​​communism lived on its own, and the Soviet people lived on their own, there was no longer any living connection between them. And when the Soviet Union crumbled, it was all the same to all; no communism, no one needed. Nobody was going to defend the decaying before the eyes of the USSR. The Communist Party lost everything
their position. Its members almost by the scruff of the neck and kicked out of various regional committees, district committees, city committees. Many longed for revenge; give them free rein, they would tear to pieces anyone who would find a party card in their pocket. The crowd, which by historical standards just recently, like mad, with bulging eyes, was rushing with banners that read: “Down with the king!”, Already ran with the same banners again, only now it was written on them: “Down CPSU! ”

The collapse of the Soviet Union completely destroyed the country's single economy. The collapse of such a huge power was extremely beneficial to those politicians who had great power, because this collapse gave them even more power. The tops, pursuing in the collapse of the Union, first of all, their own personal interests, in every possible way incited the common people to support all their undertakings. The people, one way or another, through action or inaction, supported all this, but from all this sharing, for themselves, except for even greater poverty and even greater problems, they received nothing else. As a result, all who were in power, all became super-rich; the wealthy became poor, and the poor became complete starving.
http://www.amvongor.ru/book1_fragment9.htm

[Odesit]

Greetings Dear Stanislav! Keep it up!

[Ascetic]

Greetings, Alexander! When asked what is the difference from socialism in the USSR and capitalism in Russia, such an interesting comparison comes to mind-
approximately the same as between Closed Joint-Stock Company and Limited Liability Company. Where Russia LLC has several key owners (receiving dividends from the profit of a “company” depending on the number of its “shares”), and ZAO USSR — each citizen was a shareholder (with an equal package of shares ”and equal rights to dividends, which depended directly from the growth of “capitalization” of the general CJSC of the USSR). The basic equality of Soviet people was that you (the factory director or a simple driver), the collective farmer, the General Secretary, the teacher, and the geologist are equal in your right to dividends, which are formed thanks to the honed work of the entire state.
And this was a fundamental, inalienable right of every citizen of the Soviet Union. The right received by him at birth, which we all "safely" were deprived of regardless of status and nat. accessories

[I627z]

The councils themselves set the stage for such a war. You try to conduct a similar war with a developed country. It doesn’t even occur to anyone.
New trends (culture, fashion, mood), and where were Comrade socialists with all this? 70 years to listen to slogans about Lenin, labor, May, etc. any beasts.
Who was in power, everyone became super rich, and this is not a shifter from the valiant ranks of the CPSU?
Is everything available? Boys, girls and other combinations? Drug? So this is a matter of elementary education. If a person in a family or elsewhere gets the idea that this is bad, at least the count on his head is comfy, it will be so bad. And who brought up - the party and the government.

And the idea of ​​a "bright future" is generally an anecdote. Com. the party was the first to disbelieve in these ideas. They just lived in this future. Well, of course, there is a percentage of ideological Communists for whom I have no questions. These, according to the principle of Christ, were ready to share the latter. Christ, however, was alone, but how many ordinary people? But not everyone is capable, despite the fattening at the top, to make their children live from hand to mouth.
By the way, the "taking away" of faith from people perfectly forms a society that lives according to the principle: "I am not afraid of people, but there is no God." And what should stop a person living by such principles? He will collect all the dirt on himself. there are no brakes, but education is not enough.

Basic right to "dividends"? Collective farmer and general sec. with the same "dividends"? You even have them written with different letters. Isn't that funny to you yourself? Did the birch shops work for the drivers? Specialist. sanatoriums, special hospitals, travel abroad, summer cottages, ateliers, cars. Something has happened to your memory. And not for merit, but for belonging to a caste. And nichrome is not at such prices as for everyone.

Personally, I was born in 1977. And far from admiration, that with empty slogans, that with permissiveness, and no propaganda, whether red or western, had a great influence on me. Good is important to see in everything. And refuse bad, unworthy. There are many well-known thoughts that will allow you and others to live. For example: Abandon Evil. Stick to the Good. Rely on your own wisdom. Commandments from the Bible (about the seven deadly sins). The devastation is not in the closets, but in the minds.
Our society now has the same devastation. Everyone needs to start with themselves.
And do not wait for when everything around will change for the better, but try to become a role model yourself. Do not cheat, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc.

[Filin]

I627z

I support you in what you wrote.
I myself have already begun to answer ASKET, but I read below and in many ways YOU expressed my thoughts.
You still forgot to mention the ubiquitous Soviet BLAT.
A phone to go home is the turn, to buy a car, to stand in line for years, sofas. Walls, televisions, etc., etc. But this whole fuss is only for the working IDAN, but there were privileged castes. About which you wrote.
I myself am from a worker-peasant family, but studied in the BLAT class, where there were sons of directors of factories, factories, administration, etc. ... I was just an excellent student .... and was needed for indicators ...
I saw ... what "equality" and "equal dividends" were in the USSR. And so in all areas .... - everywhere acquaintances, BLAT, nepotism .... and children of directors (majors).

It is unlikely that I would ever be able to go abroad when the USSR ... Watch the movie that I want, read books ... that I want.
Yes, just tired of living in the zone. Go to hateful rallies, meetings, subbotniks ... UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND BE SILENT ...

The Soviet Union was not ruined by external enemies and conspiracies .... But the lack of desire at the top to modernize the union .... in the early 80s. Switch smoothly to new rails. Engage in a real forward movement, rather than rest on our laurels and keep everyone in a black body.
When you eat caviar yourself, it is difficult to understand the mood of workers who staged hunger riots (Novocherkassk) and refused to plow for a penny (Komsomol riots in Kazakhstan). They tried to get away from this stratification after the revolution .. and came to class after 70 years. Everything returned to normal.
And how many times threw people with bonds (50-60-70 years), denominations (1961, 1990s).
And how many free "subbotniks" have been worked out in honor of the release of Angela Davis, the children of Africa, the port workers of London, and so on and so on.
PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE .... HERE and NOW ...... and not in a beautiful future.
And the songs of CHOI - expressed the thoughts of the people of that time.
CHANGE ... we are waiting for CHANGE ....

[Denis]

Quote: FILIN

A phone to go home is the turn, to buy a car, to stand in line for years, sofas. Walls, televisions, etc., etc.

I don’t idealize those times, but there was another: the state farm, the village 60km from St. Petersburg, they built five-story buildings every year, you wait for 3 for your apartment, they gave office workers right away, it’s a long-raider or bukharik, the department store-drivers were happy to drive in, it was what , and only to their workers according to share books ..., one minus, the whole village walks in the same good things, though it’s true that they eat twice a month (and the livestock farm!) they went in advance and pay, the car in less than a year , it’s true that it’s a lot of work — in the spring the bulls are fattening, what to feed from work you steal money and for meat on a car and an extraordinary coupon in the fall
yes, about freedom of speech, all the Politburo, not to mention the bosses, on my mother more than once ... and there was no one like a dissident
wouldn't people be nostalgic for this?
all the more now, a niche village, gastric and drug addicts

[SIBIR38RUS]

Quote: Ascetic

A fierce ideological and information war was waged against the USSR, the ultimate goal of these wars was its complete destruction. Ultimately, the goal was achieved without any explosions and without any blood

з
I respect the article :) Do you think our specialists from the GRU and other special departments are capable of similar actions with regard to NATO? It would be nice :) By the way, the EU is falling apart before my eyes .... I doubt that the whole reason is only a crisis .. Someone really needs this :)

[Nick]

The more bard aka in the world, the more profitable for the usa.

[polukazak1]

Dear, it finally came to me why the people call this trinity of Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk alcoholics even though Shushkevich was a little drinker !!!! The alcoholic drinks, what he has, despite the fact that his family will even have nothing to eat. And then they drank a whole country for a glass of tea. TOP most successful drunks in world history -1 PLACE

[Bob]

Quote: Ascetic

A brutal ideological and information war was fought against the USSR, the ultimate goal of these wars was its complete destruction

I agree with the assessment of the factors that led to the catastrophe and the consequences in which we are now. Without assessing how everything happened, without explaining the reasons and consequences, it is impossible to continue talking about the future, the future into which we are being led by "people's" choices, the president "elected" by the people, or who will be elected in March.
The world has changed, if the last century was called the cosmic (man conquered space for the first time), then the 21st century is the information age, and without computer systems, interfaces, devices, people in this century will be inferior, including in war. Information from a secondary resource has become priority. This is probably why the country's elite devotes such a large role to creating the infrastructure of the information society in Russia - electronic government, electronic money, universal electronic cards (UEC). However, with all the comfort and effectiveness of informatization events, no one (except probably religious figures and a number of citizens familiar with the ancestral prophecies about the future of Russia in anticipation of the arrival of the Antichrist) in Russia soberly did not look at the problem of creating a people-chip carrier society completely controlled through information resources. According to Federal Law No. 210, adopted in July 2010, from 1.01.2012 in the Russian Federation they will start to issue universal electronic cards without a trace at the request of a citizen, and by 1.01.2014 all Russians should have these UECs, as well as children. According to the statement, people who refused the card are thrown out of society and become outcasts - this is the same as in the USSR without a passport. According to the revelations of the apostles, those who accept the seal of the Antichrist (and if you look at the week-end - there are clearly printed regalia - the image of a two-headed eagle) will doom themselves to death, and there will be no forgiveness for them. Whoever does not accept the seal will be persecuted and persecuted, some will be martyred, but saved, the Lord will help them overcome these difficulties.
Very soon, all Russians, including Orthodox people, will be faced with the choice of whether or not to enter the state of a new order, whether or not to accept the seal of the Antichrist. The most difficult thing is to act and make a choice for your children, for the whole family. Have you made your choice ?!
My opinion: the choice itself is absurd. Who and what prompted us to make this choice - the president, who signed Law No. 210, or the deputies thoughtlessly adopted it without a general public discussion (by the way, it was hastily adopted on July 26, 2010, when the "people's" elected representatives were going on vacation and adopted it in the first reading, and most likely according to the same proven technology - when one breeder in parliament votes unanimously for a group of his trusted deputies). THIS LAW SHOULD BE URGENTLY ABOLISHED AND GIVEN A PUBLIC APPRAISAL. Otherwise, it will turn out as with the USSR, with a general silence (which was interpreted as consent), the Union was ruined by a handful of thugs and forced this majority to live according to other (their) rules and laws.
Yes, the USSR was destroyed as a result of the information war. But this war did not end. And the Russians still have a chance to pull their pants (like Munchausen) out of the swamp. Will this MIRACLE happen?! ...

[Uhalus]

Excuse me, what is the connection between electronic cards and the Antichrist? Does it really matter if the money is printed on a piece of paper, squeezed out on metal or written on a card? Hear me: information about a person can be obtained and used without any cards - before, until the 90s, they successfully did this.
Historical excursus: when all sorts of numbers came (years or dates day-month-year, etc.), someone was always waiting for the arrival of the Antichrist and the end of the world; when steam locomotives appeared in the 19th century, all sorts of Feklushi (a character from Ostrovsky) promoted the same; when the First World War began, the revolution burst out - they promised the same, waited from day to day; a grandiose hysteria on the same topic arose among the believers when the first cosmonaut flew. I remember what kind of "spears broke" in the religious environment regarding first computers, and then mobile phones - they also waited. At one time, such conversations were about new passports, but now about electronic cards ... And at all times the same nonsense rushed about vaccinations. Whatever new appears - necessarily the Antichrist, seals on the hand and head and other crap. Please do not interfere with mysticism and personal beliefs in politics - this does not give confidence at the very least.

[Denis]

Quote: Uhalus

always someone was waiting for the arrival of the Antichrist and the end of the world

I had to hear about the end of the world in 2000 as a child, but it was still oh how far, and no one, even those who spoke it, especially believed
more often I heard that young would come and sell Russia, unfortunately came true
Now it’s a little clear why many people sincerely cried when Brezhnev died
but in the beginning, when this sweet-voiced 3,14door came to power, they believed him, it’s very easy to lie, Dr. Goebels smokes on the sidelines

[Bob]

Judicial assessment: Federal Law No. 210 fundamentally changes the concept of relations between a citizen and the state, as enshrined in Articles 2, 3, 7, 15, 18, 24, 35, 38, 43, 28, 29, 39, 41, 71, 72, 130- 133, 110-114, 80, 82 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Constitutional powers and duties of government bodies and local self-government bodies to ensure and protect the rights and freedoms of citizens unlawfully transform into commercial activities for the provision of paid services.
At the legislative level, the liquidation of the managerial function and executive activity of state authorities and local self-government bodies is legalized and the unconstitutional concept of “public services” is introduced into Russian federal legislation. There is no such a concept in the Russian Constitution, and it cannot be, since the country's main law does not regulate property relations, but determines the fundamental principles of the existence of the state and society. There is no place for the principle of payment by citizens of the activities of authorities. Namely, this unconstitutional concept is enshrined in the aforementioned law.
Humanity as a whole and the Russians in the first place have never been so close to the introduction of the beast seal - a wack, the core of which is a chip - is easily implanted in human tissue (on the arm, head).
And here is the chipization technology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2plMYp8aiiw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbUCAl3O53o

The introduction of electronic passports “according to European standards” will end with the complete abolition of cash circulation and the introduction of a total purchase and sale system using electronic cards and microchips. When no one will accept cash anywhere, and electronic passports and bank accounts of objectionable people will be instantly blocked by order of the head of the registry.
In an interview, Aaron Russo recalls that he once asked Rockefeller the question: “You have all the money in the world that you need. You have all the power in the world that you need. What is the meaning of all this, what is the ultimate goal? ” To this, Rockefeller replied: “Our ultimate goal is to ensure that everyone is microchipped. To control the whole society, so that bankers and the elite control the world. ”

[garnag]

Damn Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich for the collapse of the USSR. In Ukraine, the population fell from 52 to 45 million, and how many were thrown into poverty.

[ovaron]

Late curse. Oh! That would be a time machine.

[Denis]

three ka in Belovezhskaya Pushcha declared themselves preziks, so it’s more convenient to steal, and after all they stole, shit and they didn’t care much about the country and people
I don’t know for others, but in Russia the authorities still speak with emotion of a drunk boar, isn’t it strange?

[revnagan]

I don’t know how in Russia, but in Ukraine we have power separately, and the people themselves are separate.

[Denis]

Quote: revnagan

I don’t know how in Russia, but in Ukraine we have power separately, and the people themselves are separate.

it seems that she, the authorities, have succeeded, for so many years everyone has been talking in Ukraine, and now in Ukraine

[resdnl]

Yes, it was the collapse of one of the great states ... certainly the Pindos' hand is clearly visible in this matter .... but these countries are independent and they should choose their own path, including Russia

[ovaron]

My Motherland is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. My grandfather and my father, not sparing their belly, defended the USSR. I was born and raised in the "evil empire" and I do not regret it. My flag is a red banner with a hammer and sickle, my anthem is about "great and mighty". And I feel sorry for the fact that I was a teenager when the country was beaten.

How beautiful the oath sounded ... "I AM A CITIZEN OF THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC ...... JOINING THE SERIES ...."

[Denis]

Quote: ovaron

How beautiful the oath sounded ... "I AM A CITIZEN OF THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC ...... JOINING THE SERIES ...."

But many did not accept the other, but what if the war is tomorrow?

[mr.Man]

First, the Communists and Gorbachev grabbed everything they could ...
Then, when there was nothing left to steal .., they repainted as democrats and became masters ...
The USSR is no longer needed .., there is nothing to steal, grab, and when Yeltsin gave the go-ahead to "havaite", whoever can .., the "independent" republics proliferated ...
As promised there: Independence will live richly and earn only for yourself ...
Neoplasms usually have a lot of ambition, only people don’t have any money, and who is to blame for the poverty of the people is a neighbor of a different nationality or color ...
Under the USSR, the map of the territories of state education was redrawn as it was convenient for the state plan, and now the warriors went: brother went to his brother (first from poverty, fought for money ...) for territories that somehow belonged to theirs as a state .. .
Now young people have grown up with the "correct" history of the state learned in school and already believe what they have absorbed with their mother's milk, that the father's former neighbor is an enemy and he needs to free the land, and for this he needs to be killed or evicted, at best, to the historical homeland, but when he disappears, then paradise in the country will come and everyone will become rich immediately ...
Then it’s even worse, and then the blood pours ...
There is nothing for the people to share, only "gentlemen" divide, as if to snatch more, but they do not fight on their own ...

[froglodit]

we all have with you a weighty argument in favor of the fact that everything was done in advance, and according to whose plan, look at the date of issue of coins and bills that you are currently using

[755962]

Paradox. Drafted into the army under the USSR, the demobilization was already in Russia.

[Goldmitro]

Recent events show that the West and its henchmen in Russia, it seems, will continue the "bloodless"
the collapse of Russia is now !!!

[ballian]

I don’t hear crying here for the murdered Azerbaijanis, Tajiks, Chechens, Ingush, Georgians ........

[LiRoy]

The word refugee was always enraged, attached to people who, because of "having realized for three in Belovezhskaya Pushcha", ended up in other states alone with overreacting nationalists, and when they returned to Russia they had to prove that they were Russians and have the right to call the Russian Federation their Motherland ...