Victor Bursuk explained why the Russian Navy is a new multi-mash sailboat

Deputy Admiral Viktor Bursuk, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy for Armaments, told the media that the command fleet working on a program to create a new special surface ship for training cadets of educational institutions of the Navy of the country. It is about creating a multi-masted sailboat. Moreover, in the near future, according to Viktor Bursuk, the ship will not be laid down. According to the newspaper "News", the bookmark is likely to be held in 2025 year according to the new shipbuilding program.

Victor Bursuk:

Our training ships are enough for solving the current tasks of training cadets of naval schools. But we are planning to build a sailing (ship).

When Viktor Bursuka asked why it was a question of building a sailing ship, he noted that the Krusenstern, Sedov and Mir sailing ships do not belong to the Russian Navy. According to the deputy head of the Russian Navy, the owners of these ships most often solve their own tasks, which are not always associated with the tasks of the Navy. That is why the construction of a new multi-masted sailing ship along the line of the Navy is a justified measure, which is one of the measures for the training of fleet specialists. Moreover, it is not always advisable to “distract” warships for training cadets of naval schools, and a sailing ship can be used for training at any period of training cadets.

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[Bloodsucker]

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing vessel is not a sailor, is it true I don’t dare to judge, but to climb such masts, and in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

[Darkmor]

Well, perhaps something similar to build ...

[Baikal]

"Kruzenshtern", "Sedov" and "Mir" of the Russian Navy do not belong ...

At first I thought it would be outraged that this is so - such ships do not belong to the Navy-privatizers-Ipona-Mother-Dokola!
However, after reading, it turned out that:
"Sedov" - assigned to the Murmansk State Technical University.
"Kruzenshtern" - to the Baltic State Academy of the Fishing Fleet (Kaliningrad).
"Peace" - owned by Admiral S.O. Makarov State University of the Sea and River Fleet (St. Petersburg), and since 2014 of the year - Rosmorport.
Not sold, then

Thanks to the clever people for taking Sedov and Kruzenshtern from the Baltic ports before the collapse of the Soviet Union. These rogues are simply unworthy of them.

[weksha50]

Quote: Baikal

Thanks to the clever people for taking Sedov and Kruzenstern from the Baltic ports before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

You just forgot how they were arrested in the port of France and tried to pick them up for some debts ...

Even then I thought that we would lose these handsome men ... By the way, "Kruzenshtern" is one of the largest sailing ships ...

Thanks to the people who recaptured them at that moment ...

PS We haven't heard anything about "Comrade" for a long time ... Where is he and what's wrong with him?
And there were also on the Far East "Nadezhda" and "Pallada" ...

[severyanin]

Quote: weksha50

By the way, "Kruzenshtern" is one of the largest sailing ships ...

By the way, "Sedov" is even bigger than "Kruzenshtern"

[weksha50]

Quote: severyanin

By the way, "Sedov" is even bigger than "Kruzenshtern"

Hmm ... And faster ... I agree ...

[Cossack]

It doesn’t matter ... a couple of meters ... They are sisterships, just like the Gift of Mladziezhy, Peace, Hope, Pallas, Chersonesos, Friendship.

[weksha50]

Quote: Cossack

.They are sisterships, as well as the Gift of Mladziezhy, Peace, Hope, Pallas, Chersonesos, Friendship.

A bit not sisterships ... All of the above, except Sedov, were built by order of the USSR in Poland (Gdansk), and "Sedov", like "Kruzenshtern" - was built in Germany and went to the USSR as a trophy ...

[acrshooter]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Горх_Фок_(барк)
https://ru.wikipedia.org /wiki/Паллада_(фрегат_учебный)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Надежда_(фрегат_учебный)

[dmi.pris1]

What about "Comrade", explain the competent colleagues?

Quote: weksha50

Quote: Baikal

Thanks to the clever people for taking Sedov and Kruzenstern from the Baltic ports before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

You just forgot how they were arrested in the port of France and tried to pick them up for some debts ...

Even then I thought that we would lose these handsome men ... By the way, "Kruzenshtern" is one of the largest sailing ships ...

Thanks to the people who recaptured them at that moment ...

PS We haven't heard anything about "Comrade" for a long time ... Where is he and what's wrong with him?
And there were also on the Far East "Nadezhda" and "Pallada" ...

[weksha50]

Quote: dmi.pris

What about "Comrade", explain the competent colleagues?

"Sailed" in the 90s ... They gave it to England for repairs, and then there was nothing to pay with, and that's it ...
But it belonged to the Kherson Naval School, that is, when the USSR was divided, it went to Ukraine ... From Ukraine and "sailed away" ...

[Cossack]

Hope was in Novorossiysk on May 9, 2014. Mir and Sedov were also there. Kruzenshtern later approached. The international regatta of the Black Sea Sovcomflot.
This year in September Sedov, Kruzenshtern, Nadezhda, Mir will come again. Was on all these sailboats.
The comrade returned home to Germany a long time ago. When Ukraine was unable to pay for repairs in England, the concerned Germans raised money and bought Comrade. Now he bears his first name Gorkh Fock and stands as a museum ...
Pallas continues to serve as a training vessel in the Far East ...
Khersones, which belonged to Ukraine, was transferred from Kerch to Sevastopol and is undergoing major repairs ...
Friendship continues to die quietly in the port of Odessa ...

[acrshooter]

"Druzhba" continues to die quietly in the port of Odessa ...

It’s standing in the Practical Harbor, every time I pass by my heart bleeds! ..
The rigging needs to be completely changed (the ropes in the hands crumble), I won’t say for the sails (I didn’t see them with my own eyes).
The case on the outside has long been overgrown with wildlife, and from the inside by rust (personally shkryabal in Mash.otd.).
A lot of money is needed for repairs, the "tower" (ONMA, former OVIMU) cannot allocate this. They simply do not exist, and private traders are not going to invest.
Consider the crew for their money to maintain order, but it's like pouring water into a bottomless abyss during a drought, because salaries, to put it mildly, are not the largest.

With respect to all comrades, Arthur.

[svp67]

Quote: weksha50

PS We haven't heard anything about "Comrade" for a long time ... Where is he and what's wrong with him?

No more "Comrade". Ukraine sold it to Germany. There he was pissed off, returned to the former name "Gorch Fock" and sent to the museum as an exhibit

[proud]

Ukrainians could not contain a sailboat, but at the same time they called themselves the Great Sea Power! In a word, Clowns. I don’t understand one thing: why didn’t Russia buy out this handsome man because I suppose they asked for laughter?

[weksha50]

Quote: svp67

No more "Comrade".

It’s a pity ... A handsome man with a long history ...
Well, they either didn’t sell us to the principle, or something didn’t happen to our rulers - to redeem it after repair ...

[weksha50]

Quote: weksha50

PS We haven't heard anything about "Comrade" for a long time ... Where is he and what's wrong with him?

He himself found the information ... In the 90s, it was transferred to the UK for repairs, and then, due to lack of finance, they did not pay for this repair, and it "sailed away" ...

It's a pity...

[Alex_Tug]

before the collapse of the Union, "Sedov" and "Kruzenshtern" were taken away from the Baltic ports

Not a word is said about the fact that the Kruzenshtern engines do not work.
In general, how to spell Kruzenshtern, Kruzenshteyn, or something else.

[Alex_Tug]

Alas ... I lost photos from the Olympics in Vancouver (the screw died). And the girls on it were nice. (it turns out unfounded, I'll try to get pictures from Canadians).

[Trick shot]

Stern ...
Stern (German) is a star.

[Orionvit]

I watched once a long time ago a story on the discovery of the world's largest sailing cruise ship. The captain there said that almost the entire team was Russian, because the best sailors of large sailing ships were prepared in the USSR and now in Russia. Of course it's a shame that they work abroad, but it is their choice.

[Vlad.by]

The only training vessel in essence was Sedov. It is now under repair, in a dry dock in Kaliningrad. Rather, near Kaliningrad. The world and Kruzenshtern regattas and parades on a commercial basis ride passengers, but not cadets.
But it’s good even if it is owned by Russia.

[Vlad.by]

Sedov is standing - a handsome man in a dry dock in Svetly. 95 years old boat. 65 meters from the keel to the Klotik. May 9, 2016

[Vlad.by]

Full length - a sight for sore eyes! Perhaps only to the 103-year-old young lady the Commune you feel the same reverence. But the Commune is its own, dear, and Sedov is from another tribe.

[kirieeleyson]

cool "Trier" is so postmodern.

[Trick shot]

"Triere" - a ship that has THREE ROWS OF OARS, located one above the other, in a checkerboard pattern.
In Latin, a trireme.

[semuel]

On such soap dishes only girls ride.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: semuil

On such soap dishes only girls ride.

on such ships, every naval officer must undergo practice. to acquire the ability to walk on "stars", use a sextant, wind ... - otherwise he just .... "with a diploma."

[semuel]

on such ships, every naval officer must undergo practice. to acquire the ability to walk on "stars", use a sextant, wind ... - otherwise he just .... "with a diploma." soldier

On electronic yachts? Without you, I know very well what sailing ships sailors should study on. Understand first before quoting me.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: semuil

on such ships, every naval officer must undergo practice. to acquire the ability to walk on "stars", use a sextant, wind ... - otherwise he just .... "with a diploma." soldier

On electronic yachts? Without you, I know very well what sailing ships sailors should study on. Understand first before quoting me.

do you want to say that, on the "Kruzenshtern", or "Sedov", they do not teach this? I am not going to deal with you and argue, apparently useless. and I personally know the person who went on the "cruise".

[semuel]

do you want to say that, on the "Kruzenshtern", or "Sedov", they do not teach this? I am not going to deal with you and argue, apparently useless. and I personally know the person who went on the "cruise".

Look at the picture of the yacht in the comments, that's what I am writing about it "soap dish". And with whom you know I am not interested. Even with the Pope.

[oldzek]

Andrei Yuryevich, in general, the tool is called a sextant in the fleet. Yes, they add to Wikipedia. I remembered I had one colleague (crippled more precisely) who could use only G.P. ESom to determine the place.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: oldzek

Andrei Yuryevich, in general, the tool is called a sextant in the fleet. Yes, they add t

I'm not naval, it’s excusable for me not to know the nuances ...

[evil partisan]

actually the tool is called sextan

All my life I thought it was right - "sextant" .

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

I'm not naval, I'm excusable ...

Figures! Nobody has crawled so easily from us!
Where did you go to mushrooms along the Rezhevsky tract ... you are so kind! All legs were erased, and there were few ... mushrooms.
Hi, amateur from fishing!

[atalef]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

All my life I thought it was right - "sextant"

Again about with to?
Hi, Parisian Yo! Yo! Yo

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Figures! Nobody has crawled so easily from us!

especially after hitting theodolite on the head

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

where are the mushrooms along the rezhevsky tract virgol ... you are so kind! All legs were erased, and there were few ... mushrooms.

[evil partisan]

Quote: atalef

Hi, Parisian Yo! Yo! Yo

Hi Sasha!
But I really covered after a trip for mushrooms. Gone on a hospital day ...

[atalef]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

But I really covered after a trip for mushrooms. Went to a hospital day.

Get well soon and have more rest !!!!

[goblin xnumx]

Well, yes, yes, yes, of course, and all this will be very useful to him in his future service:) - and according to the situation in the country, it is necessary to start building and training then from galleys or from boots:) - history, from :) in a spiral :)

[bulvas]

Quote: Darkmor

Well, perhaps something similar to build ...

This toy is fully automated, controlled by buttons, hardly suitable for training

[APASUS]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Darkmor

Well, perhaps something similar to build ...

This toy is fully automated, controlled by buttons, hardly suitable for training

I believe that it is necessary to educate generations first on historical vessels with a history and a name. I think it is not worthless for a vessel like Aurora to be a museum. Upgrading it for a training vessel is not such a huge amount of money.
I believe that with all its modernization, the ship of the Commune has developed its potential as a lifeguard vessel, but as a training vessel, its mission is only to begin

[Orionvit]

I believe that it is necessary to educate generations first on historical ships with a history and a name. I think it is not worthless for a ship like Aurora to be a museum. Upgrading it for a training ship is not such huge money

What is the difference between "Aurora" and modern ships? In addition to the power plant, nothing. If you mean the historical value, then it has been fulfilling its function as a museum for a long time. By the way, as a training ship, the Aurora has a full crew made up of cadets from the Nakhimov School.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bulvas

This toy is fully automated, controlled by buttons, hardly suitable for training

And yet:

In the age of scientific and technological revolution, a sailing ship is an anachronism. Why are training sailing boats still needed? It is no accident that they are part of the fleets of all naval powers! Under the flags of 21 countries, 66 training and recreational sailing ships float, 23 of which belong to the Navy.
Here is the authoritative opinion of Admiral Yu. A. Panteleev: “There can be no two opinions. Sail is not a tribute to traditions and not only a wonderful sport, but also a tried and tested means of educating real sailors, which is of great applied value! ”

[bulvas]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: bulvas

This toy is fully automated, controlled by buttons, hardly suitable for training

And yet:

In the age of scientific and technological revolution, a sailing ship is an anachronism. Why are training sailing boats still needed? It is no accident that they are part of the fleets of all naval powers! Under the flags of 21 countries, 66 training and recreational sailing ships float, 23 of which belong to the Navy.
Here is the authoritative opinion of Admiral Yu. A. Panteleev: “There can be no two opinions. Sail is not a tribute to traditions and not only a wonderful sport, but also a tried and tested means of educating real sailors, which is of great applied value! ”

To understand why a sailing vessel is needed to educate sailors is simple - for this you need to walk a little with the motor, then under the sail.

Even a motor boat with an outboard engine and a small sailing boat will make it possible to understand the difference between movement on the water and steering

Under sail it is necessary to listen to the arming nature and proceeding from this, choose the mode and direction of the ship.

Under the motor - otherwise.

As for the toy, all sail control is automated there, electric winches are used to remove / set / set sails, which are controlled from one place. There nobody climbs the masts

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bulvas

There nobody climbs the masts

I have to disappoint you: they climb, and even tragedies with the cadets happen.

The Commission of the Ministry of Defense and the Headquarters of the FRG Navy is investigating the scandal on the Gorch Fock training sailing ship, whose cadets were accused of a riot. The sailing ship left Kiel on a training cruise in the South Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean at the end of August 2010 under the command of Captain 229st Rank Norbert Schatz. On board there were 124 sailors - 105 permanent crew members and 33 future officers, including XNUMX women. During the campaign, it was supposed to make three changes of trainees.
The tragedy occurred on November 7, 2010, when the Gorh Fock was in the harbor of the Brazilian city of San Salvador de Bahia. A group of cadets practiced sailing on yards at a height of 27 meters from the deck. 25-year-old cadet Sara S. for some unknown reason fell off the rigging, fell on the deck and died from her injuries.

And this despite the fact that each cadet / cadet, when climbing the masts, without fail has a life belt with a safety rope.
So, they climb, sometimes neglecting security measures ...

[dmi.pris1]

This glamor is for the "especially gifted" ... debauchery, corruption, power. Students need it much easier ..

Quote: Darkmor

Well, perhaps something similar to build ...

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing ship is not a sailor,

Oops Do you know many such sailors who went sailing (well, not on boats / skiffs, of course)? I’m not one.
Honestly, when I read about the need for a new multi-masted sailing ship, I decided that at the dawn of cantilever cadets they would massively pull up. Pirate customs, yes
This is how, in due time, the division commander threatened to hang me on the SPU rail. Managed, however.

[Bloodsucker]

Gramatei RU Today, 17:13 ↑ New
For example, you can learn how to use sonar systems. The sailboat itself will not create noise from the screw group - priceless from the point of view of acoustics.
And the simplest thing you can learn is to work in a team, to obey and command people.
I, a Murmansk citizen, remember that in the 70s and 80s, every year, cadets of Murmansk seafarers, middle and mostly higher, having completed their first year, went to Sedov, usually for a world regatta. Cadets - navigators and ship technicians - without exception. This allowed the children to understand whether they had chosen the profession. In my environment there are enough people who went to Sedov. pysy - the former Murmansk higher sailor now is the state. those. University, where I, as an assistant professor, also work on part of the rate.
So a sailing ship is a very useful thing, even in order to demonstrate our flag purely at regattas.
Enough?

[kote119]

to understand whether they got into the right profession, it is possible to understand on the uk like "Perekop"

[severyanin]

Quote: kote119

to understand whether they got into the right profession, it is possible to understand on the uk like "Perekop"

A management company of the Perekop type, like the Smolny, can only instill an aversion to ships and the maritime business - he had an internship on it in 2002 - the memories are still sharply negative. I have never seen a poorer, dirty and neglected "trough"! Even the officers who served on it spoke in plain text to us, first-year cadets, that we urgently need to flee from the navy, having served the “obligation” at most 5 years after graduation .... Again, it was in the early 2000s, now it may have changed something on these steamers

[kote119]

I went to Perekop as a cadet in 97, lived on the lowest deck, without portholes, outside the window there was a crisis, the military didn’t pay, the ship, I agree with you, even then, left much to be desired, but I didn’t repulse the sea, and the officers didn’t complained.

[goblin xnumx]

in 98 he looked at him from the arsenal :): on and from the slingshot happened :)

[weksha50]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

where I am working as a docent for part of the bid.

Here, there is someone to ask a question ...

The construction of a sailing ship is a daunting task ...

"Sedov" (1921), "Kruzenshtern" (1925-1926), "Comrade" (1933) were built in Germany and went to the USSR as trophies ...
"Nadezhda" (1991), "Pallada" (1989), "Mir" (1987), "Druzhba" (the same 80s) were built in Poland (shipyards Gdansk) ...

None of these large sailboats were built in Russia and the USSR ...

I do not ask where the MO finances will come from for the purchase of a sailboat ...
But who and where will build it ???
Poles ??? So here the option can happen even worse than with the French Mistrals ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: weksha50

But who and where will build it ???

yes ... Peter Lyakseyich is not present ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

state those. University where I am associate professor I fight for a part of the bet.

"Hear, Associate Professor, but he does not go! (semuil) - (Bloodsucker) - I will tear my mouth! ..." (C)

[weksha50]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Do you know many such sailors who went sailing (well, not on boats / skiffs, of course)? I’m not one.
Honestly, when I read about the need for a new multi-masted sailing ship, I decided that at the dawn of cantilever cadets they would massively pull up. Pirate customs, yes

Often, even in his youth, he wondered why our fleet needed these seemingly ancient ships ...

It seems to me that the main goal is to test and temper the spirit of future sailors ...
No matter how much I like the ships and the fleet, I don’t even imagine myself running on cable-stayed shafts even in calm weather ... So, I’m not a sailor, but just sympathetic and rooting for the fleet ...

This is only from the outside - beautiful ships, sailboats, the most modern ... But in fact, it is hard work and hardship ...

So, I repeat - most likely verification and tempering of the spirit ...

[tundra]

Quote: weksha50

So, I repeat - most likely verification and tempering of the spirit ..

The film was a documentary about Kruzenshtern
and his circumnavigation, the cadets there were changed along the way, so there one cadet in plain text, after his third of the circumnavigation, said this is not mine even to the house before the hut.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Ami du peuple

This is how, in due time, the division commander threatened to hang me on the SPU rail.

honorably ... I’m crumpled, prosaically from “makar” he wanted to “spank” ... (after Czechoslovakia, he had outbursts of uncontrollable anger, bullets were not given), so, too, nothing happened ...

[Hunt]

This is how, in due time, the division commander threatened to hang me on the SPU rail. Managed, however. [/ Quote]
But the commander promised to charge me in RBU, and for some reason send it to the Chinese ??? from the Black Sea ????

[Orionvit]

Oops Do you know many such sailors who went sailing (well, not on boats / skiffs, of course)? I’m not one.

There are many sailors, and there are few training sailing ships. The conversation is not about sailors, of whom there are millions, but primarily about cadets who in the future will become naval officers and captains.

[CRONOS]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing vessel is not a sailor, is it true I don’t dare to judge, but to climb such masts, and in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

That's never a sailor, but the feeling does not leave me, that in the 21st century and the construction of a new sailboat - smacks of anochronism. I hope they will not dare to cast new muzzle-loading cannons. "Whoever did not shoot from a smooth-bore, cap cannon is not an artilleryman"

[Bloodsucker]

So let’s say here it’s dangerous for some even to give a grenade
http://warfiles.ru/show-125628-vsu-obezyanam-s-granatami-opasno-davat-v-ruki-umn
ye-vidy-vooruzheniy.html
And for some anti -lerists, even with SPG-9 it’s hard to shoot now, everybody is trying to pull the gun from the wrong end ...

[the villain]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

And for some anti -lerists, even with SPG-9 it’s hard to shoot now, everybody is trying to pull the gun from the wrong end ...

How's that ??? From a "spear" on the other side to shoot, it is necessary to be a gloomy genius.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Villain

Quote: The Bloodthirster

And for some anti -lerists, even with SPG-9 it’s hard to shoot now, everybody is trying to pull the gun from the wrong end ...

How's that ??? From a "spear" on the other side to shoot, it is necessary to be a gloomy genius.

shaitan!

[Bloodsucker]

So like this, yes like that, they’ll either add a grenade to the wrong side, or deployed like a musket, with a nozzle towards the enemy ..

[the villain]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

So like this, yes like that, they’ll either add a grenade to the wrong side, or deployed like a musket, with a nozzle towards the enemy ..

It doesn’t fit in my head, but the device there is nowhere simpler, everything is clear and obvious, especially since there is an NSD to it

[Verdun]

Quote: CRONOS

That's never a sailor, but the feeling does not leave me, that in the 21st century and the construction of a new sailboat - smacks of anochronism.

And you look what a sailing yacht Maltese Falcon (Maltese Falcon) is, take an interest in the Wind Challenge, Vindskip, SkySails projects. At least here: http: //www.liveinternet.ru/users/ilya-m1972/post292148412/. Maybe change your point of view.

[TsUS-Air Force]

who didn’t fly on a sewing machine U-2 is not a gygygy pilot

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: NOC-VVS

who didn’t fly on a sewing machine U-2 is not a gygygy pilot

I'm not a pilot, but I flew (in the back)

[PKK]

"Whistle all up!", On a new sailing ship, this team will be by 2030. It is a pity that not soon.

[Verdun]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing ship is not a sailor

Boating on sailing ships tempers the character of future sailors. Try to climb the guys even in calm weather - be impressed. And then sailboats - it's just beautiful.

[Serg65]

Quote: Verdun

Try to climb the guys even in calm weather - be impressed.

Nah, it’s more correct to BE DONE !!!! For the first time, about five minutes I did not dare to transfer my leg from the whitewash to the perth until I got a kick in the ass

[Sea Wolf]

It is right. As a sailor who graduated from Makarovka in 1982. In 1981, on a non-magnetic sailing schooner, Zarya went as a first-class sailor. Great school.

[Reserve officer]

I am not naval. And he never sailed on serious sailboats. But a friend was a captain of the second rank and now goes on a small yacht. Several times I was on board with him on vacation adventures. So I’ll say that with a strong wind in the water area of ​​Ladoga you have a lot of impressions. And the nature of people is immediately visible.
All this brought up our children in the most serious way.
So for cadets, this is very useful.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sea Wolf

In 1981, on a non-magnetic sailing schooner, Zarya went as a first-class sailor.

Well, the "sea wolf" is immediately felt!
I read all the comments and only at you met a glimpse of the application of the NON-MAGNETIC ship!
This is very important for strategists: to know exactly the magnetic declination in a given sea area. It will not be possible to use a "topographic bottom map" or a picture of the depths without using an echo sounder or side-scan GAS in wartime. But the magnetic lines of the Earth, they will not go anywhere ... So, in the future, this is one of the ways to determine the location of the boat without surfacing under the re-scope, when all active coastal and space systems will be destroyed.
Can a special vessel make such measurements? Of course, yes. But this immediately prompts the idea of ​​a possible RBD boat. But when a "training" sailing vessel is tacking in a given water area, it is possible to write off the "jolly" for teaching cadets to sail.
Colleagues spoke about r / a potentials of a sailing ship, therefore there is no sense in repeating themselves. But the installation of a winch with Bugas will immediately reveal everything. But portable devices are not immediately spotted.
But, even if all this will not happen, then nothing will replace the astronomical deck during the navigation twilight!
Well, and romance: sail, wind, sea and a swaying starry sky above your head! You will never forget this!
And of course, the special culture and atmosphere of the sailing ship will remain in the memory for a long time. In 1992 I had a chance to "stomp" on the Sedov's deck at sea. I still remember ...

[Verdun]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

In 1992 I had a chance to "stomp" on the Sedov's deck at sea. I still remember ...

Bark Sedov is the former Magdalena Winnen, Kruzenshtern is the former Padua, one of the famous flying Ps. Ships are legends. But I am afraid that their age will not last forever. Replacement is needed and, in general, it is a long time ago. Poles out to help their Gift of Help built the Gift of Youth back in the eighties. Pans are restive - and they understand the importance of sailing ships.

[Serg65]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Well, and romance: sail, wind, sea and a swaying starry sky above your head! You will never forget this!

Romance ends when you grab a rey, you begin to rummage through your head to understand what the screaming boatswain wants from you, you understand with your mind that you need to pull some kind of rope, but memory doesn’t suggest either a sheet ... or maybe brass ???? Mother May woman names there are already 137 positions!
Sailboat for marine education is a understandable thing, but in the first year I studied the flag semaphore so far and did not understand why? !!! Although a fellow teacher clearly explained .... and how do you, cadet, after having sex with a girlfriend, share your joy with a friend from a distance? So you will prosper with yours and her underpants

[Denis Obukhov]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing vessel is not a sailor, is it true I don’t dare to judge, but to climb such masts, and in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

Better a galley. Everything is checked on it at once: fortitude and teamwork.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Better a galley.

busy there ... slave there ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

Better a galley. Everything is checked on it at once: fortitude and teamwork.

Brother, believe me, a galley is heaven compared to a sailboat! Sit yourself down and row under "eee time", and even back massage for free

[Koshak]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing vessel is not a sailor, is it true I don’t dare to judge, but to climb such masts, and in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

With all due respect to sailing sailors, I cannot understand how this affects the training of modern fleet sailors. What if you didn’t go on a sailing boat, you don’t know the sail control commands, then FSE, can’t you serve on a submarine? Yes, it would be better to give more training for cadets on modern ships than climbing masts

[Verdun]

Quote: Koshak

What if you didn’t go on a sailing boat, you don’t know the sail control commands, then FSE, you won’t be able to serve on a submarine?

A sailor, like no other, needs a seasoned character and a sense of team. Only then will he be able to cope with the tasks even in a storm, successfully fight for the life of the ship and work harmoniously in one team - the crew of the ship. All these qualities are best brought up when sailing. Ship officers should not just press buttons and issue commands. They must know, understand and feel the sea. And sailing ships also help in this. But only for those who have never sailed into the open sea, it is rather difficult to explain. I don’t know how it is now, and twenty years ago in the British Navy the position of ship’s commander did not have the right to be occupied by a person who did not have sailing practice.

“There is no better way to shape the character of a young man than sailing practice”

These words are spoken at the opening of each "Operation Sail" regatta

[goblin xnumx]

tell us about sailing practice for submariners:) - how is it more important than the BZ in a closed compartment

[Serg65]

Quote: Koshak

With all due respect to sailing sailors, I cannot understand how this affects the training of modern fleet sailors. What if you didn’t go on a sailing boat, you don’t know the sail control commands, then FSE, can’t you serve on a submarine? Yes, it would be better to give more training for cadets on modern ships than climbing masts

It's not about management teams, it's about tempering character! For the future officer, service on the submarine or on the NK after a sailing ship will seem like a paradise! Ask any sailor about his feelings and thoughts when he first experienced the storm? And on a sailboat, the influence of a storm on a fragile organism is amplified many times! Survived, overcame? Well done! Now the devil himself is not your brother!

[Denis Obukhov]

.. you can start building and a sailboat .. and there what happens, maybe an aircraft carrier ..

[In100gram]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

and there what happens, maybe an aircraft carrier.

Aircraft carrier sailboat?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not go on a sailing ship is not a sailor, is it true I don’t presume to judge

These are the words of Vice Admiral S.O. Makarov.

[Bloodsucker]

That's even how ... it means somewhere I read, the words of the great sailor, sunk into memory.
But he was a great connoisseur of his naval affairs.
Thank you for reminding.

[goblin xnumx]

Makarov, of course, a connoisseur of his business, for a long time it was ...- and there were no turbines and nuclear-powered ships ... and the current fleet switched to new steam engines, of course then- raw unreliable requiring additional reserves ... because not everyone was happy that sailboats go to 2 plan

[hirurg]

Thought, thought, well, I don’t understand !!!
Why is the Navy such a ship? Like a fish needs a bicycle?
Only act in films.
What can sailors learn ... By masts .., sails ..
They need to learn on modern warships, not retrain after sails!
Let’s then, first, teach snipers to shoot from a bow!
And it’s better to make a rocket ship for this money.

[adept666]

I don’t presume to judge, but to climb such masts, but in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

This is not the only point. Of course, verification of personal qualities in harsh conditions is very important, but in the preparation of new sea wolves, a sailboat is preferable because of team work, when the whole team works as one mechanism. A conditioned reflex of teamwork is developed.
Now imagine work in a storm

[tundra]

Quote: adept666

when the whole team as one mechanism works

++++++++++ Well, I'm sorry the rules of the site I would put even more !!!!!!!!!!!

[tundra]

Quote: Verdun

A sailor, like no other, needs a seasoned character and a sense of team.

Yes, we do not need button players!
Here comes such an officer, after sailing practice,
and it doesn’t matter in his warhead, THIS TEAM WITH Sailors WILL BE CREATED,
that this cookie is obsessed, and brains in the wind only work better!
You won’t drink skill, but with such guys as you are confident and proud, you feel yourself for the country !!!!!!!!!!!

[Smoked]

They will cut down money at the graduation, fastening scarlet sails. We know, we know.

[Koshak]

Quote: Smoked

They will cut down money at the graduation, fastening scarlet sails. We know, we know.

The more you know, the sooner you die.

[Lord_Bran]

Sailboat is a great school for a sailor. Will know how hard the ancestors had to.
Carrumba!

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Lord_Bran

Sailboat is a great school for a sailor. Will know how hard the ancestors had to.
Carrumba!

Then you have to build a rowing ship

[Dr. Bormental]

Then it is necessary for student doctors to study on people like you, and not on corpses ..

[Serg65]

Quote: The Cat

Then you have to build a rowing ship

Quote: NOC-VVS

yes yes yes galley with a drum

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Then it is necessary for student doctors to study on people like you, and not on corpses ..

Here the doctor completely agrees with you! Great material for experimenting

[TsUS-Air Force]

yes yes yes galley with a drum

[Cheshire]

Then you have to build a rowing ship

The cat, I'm sorry, accidentally put you a minus, I wanted a plus. I will be corrected.

[Koshak]

Quote: Lord_Bran

Sailboat is a great school for a sailor. Will know how hard the ancestors had to.
Carrumba!

Yes Yes! To start teaching digital machine operators with a sledgehammer, doctors with bloodletting, and teachers with a meter ruler on the forehead.

[Verdun]

Quote: Koshak

Yes Yes! To start teaching digital machine operators with a sledgehammer, doctors with bloodletting, and teachers with a meter ruler on the forehead.

Modern sailing ships are saturated with electronics more than many motor ones. Multi-masted yachts such as the Club Mediteran or the Maltese Falcon can be piloted alone from the central station. At the same time, I would hardly entrust my health to a doctor who does not know how to use a stethoscope and strives to immediately send a patient for an MRI.

[Dr. Bormental]

Yes, with bloodletting ...

[your1970]

Koshak (3) RU Yesterday, 19:13 ↑
"Yes, yes! Start teaching operators of digital machines with a sledgehammer, doctors with bloodletting, and teachers with a meter ruler across their foreheads." - my math teacher in the 80s walked around the classroom with a ruler. At present, she would be put in jail every 15-20 minutes, she could bark until the floor / ceiling tremble, and how she did not like cheating !!!!! the ruler flew in immediately without dividing by sex ... 30 years have passed ... my son finished 8th grade, but I still I CAN CHECK he has lessons in mathematics ... And most importantly, for his whole life he did not touch mathematics in any way at all, it took him and remembered everything ...
ZY and most importantly, I’m not the only one child prodigy, how many classmates I asked, EVERYTHING at least remember something ...

[pl675]

what a spreading cranberry.
I propose to appoint this deputy in armament, the flagship artilleryman on this frigate (?), with a salary of 15 thousand rubles, and with the prohibition of smoking all sorts of nonsense in gunpowder cellars.
rave. pathetic nonsense, from the snickering carrier of the astrakhan cap.

[lelikas]

Quote: pl675

what a spreading cranberry.
I propose to appoint this deputy in armament, the flagship artilleryman, with a salary of 15 thousand rubles, with a ban on smoking all nonsense in the powder cellars.

Wait, this hour people are still talking about Caliber - Nk will remember.

[pl675]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: pl675

what a spreading cranberry.
I propose to appoint this deputy in armament, the flagship artilleryman, with a salary of 15 thousand rubles, with a ban on smoking all nonsense in the powder cellars.

Wait, this hour people are still talking about Caliber - Nk will remember.

it’s violet to me about what and how they will remember.
I am sure of one thing - in order not to stagnate, you do not need to live in the past, you will never return it.
why would the future seu-manager engineer, or the commander of the bch-3, all this?
if someone clearly explains, I will raise the legs up.
(pathos and romance with history and other nonsense are not accepted)

[Baikal]

Lomonosov said that a nation that does not know its past has no future. And this wisdom is by no means built from scratch - look at Ukraine, where there is no past. The past should always be with us, be our support.

You are as sharp as diarrhea, apparently due to youth, because you want to think that it is she who is stupid

[pl675]

1- I do not see any more stupidity, as an example of Ukraine. we are talking about building a sailboat, not about expanding the Black Sea by digging.
2 - with diarrhea, you can call your dad, well, or someone else.
3 - his ideas about my age, it was possible to leave with you, without voicing, with your finger what is called in ..., there isn’t so,. Into the sky.
4 - I was waiting for arguments, without nonsense associated with history. They are not here. what fingers was mazil?

[lelikas]

The key word is the future - in view of their almost complete lack of professional education - on any ship they will not be allowed close to anything anyway. The first instruction will be from a series - "don't stick your nose where the dog didn't stick his ***".
On a sailboat, on his first practice, young cadets will go and they will get there, at least in good physical shape, they will learn what shifts and rummages are, how to handle a typewriter, and at least they don’t talk all practice at the pier or in the roads.
If it is created as an educational one, then there is nothing to prevent the establishment of normal classes there, where they will study specialized specialties, "on the job."
We were generally sent to practice at RTB - although we did not stand close to either the first or the second.

[pl675]

for Baikal -
You are not one of those who hid a party card on the mezzanine, and began to attend church? not? oh well, if this is true, do not be nervous. where are you party meetings? or do not spend? or smoke candles in Kiryushin houses?
me to the cons, with a large bell tower in the wind.
Can you clearly mumble something?
or dumb to look "not very"?

[Baikal]

Ohhh, kitty included sarcasm type) And you, apparently, from those who pisses against the wind and scolds the weather forecast? Indeed, this is exactly how your behavior looks)

Quote: pl675

2 - with diarrhea, you can call your dad, well, or someone else.

Looking at your behavior and way of thinking, it becomes clear that your parent carefully kneading you with someone bearded Even abortion, unlike you, should understand the degree of obstinacy and delirium written by you and "not very" in this situation - this is trying to explain something to you, mon ami (although the whole branch is covered with practical benefits from the subject), because it is elementary disgust :)
Although ... amuse us yet?

[pl675]

Ale, General of the Cycling-Sailing Troops, more smiles, even more so that his eyes would ripple. and brackets, brackets you need pieces of five in a row.
but in general, let the last word be yours, you can spit in the back with your sparkling phrases, which you still have not learned to build into sentences that convey the thought to your opponent.

[Baikal]

Oh, humor, it’s already better)) It's a little liquid, to match development, but ... I was afraid that my unpaired outgrowth of the bottom of the oral cavity was prematurely buried in the area of ​​the anus ... But no, they found the strength to pull out!)
Spit on your back a lot of honor. It’s just sometimes useful to wipe your feet on particularly throaty fools. The world is becoming cleaner.

[guzik007]

Lomonosov said that a people who did not know their past had no future. And this wisdom is by no means built from scratch - look at Ukraine, where there is no past. The past should always be with us, be our support.
-------------------------------------------------- ----
Nice words !!! And now I remind you that the entire Thames is crammed with the historic ships of Her Majesty's fleet. .. Alas, the acre of Aurora remembers nothing.

[DenZ]

Quote: pl675

I am sure of one thing - in order not to stagnate, you do not need to live in the past, you will never return it.

And why should a modern person learn to walk, if all the same, most of the distances in his life a person either rides a car, a train, or an airplane? So with sailboats. Walking on the sea still needs to learn.

[PKK]

You probably never were a kid, you immediately became a cynic.

[pl675]

Quote: PKK

You probably never were a kid, you immediately became a cynic.

what other plate will stick on my carcass?
there are soothsayers - every second, more boldly, I will accept all your guesses.

[Stiletto_711]

Then, according to your logic, in the ground forces you need to cancel hand-to-hand combat. Why learn to wave fist at gunner or machine gunner? Let them shoot, but to face the enemy face to face in modern combat, there are few chances.
And all these obstacle courses, tank break-in, etc., with this approach, are also not needed. We will create an army of button presses, like the Americans.
One problem, in these warriors who fell into a real combat situation, a bear disease begins in the acute phase, and unexpected brown tones appear in the protective coloring of the field form.
So, so that this does not happen, military personnel are subjected to stressful and extreme stresses, both physical and psychological, in the process of training and preparation. It is believed that this strengthens moral-volitional qualities and allows you to weed out the unfit.
Service on a sailing boat, just this provides, and even in that environment (sea, ocean), in which the cadet will continue to perform combat missions.
And about "marking time and living in the past" you reminded me of this episode. A couple of years ago, when I was studying at advanced training courses, a teacher, who was very amusingly talking about the innovative economy, issued the thesis that it was high time to abandon the "antediluvian" types of weapons, and switch to "breakthrough" ones based on new principles. And we had a dispute, as a result of which, I proved to him that in the field of military affairs in general, and weapons in particular, do not abandon the old, if it gives even the slightest advantage. For the bayonet, which is also present on the most modern rifles, is essentially a spear.

[Baikal]

Thanks for another useful explanation. However, it is doubtful that such explanations of even simple things will change something in the pathology of such people due to the inability to recognize errors and, as a result, natural, unclear stupidity)
But - I respect your attempt

[Stiletto_711]

Quote: pl675

if someone clearly explains, I will raise the legs up.

The person asks for clarification. I did it quite easily. I'm waiting for "paws up". Thinking in vain?

[pl675]

Quote: Stilett_71

Quote: pl675

if someone clearly explains, I will raise the legs up.

The person asks for clarification. I did it quite easily. I'm waiting for "paws up". Thinking in vain?

no, not clearly.
the hairdresser explains to the chef how to properly apply hairspray to the Greek salad.
I was not in vain here against the crowd, because approx. % 80 commentators, the sea sees once a year, on vacation.
very good reasoning from the couch, I agree.
but there is still a harsh reality. I have an idea of ​​the cost of building an analogue of "cruise" and "pallada", take my word for it, this is a lot of money, very much. and it will also drag on for eight years, at best.
maybe this is necessary, I don’t know, but I don’t see the need to start something like that. this is another "uraniach". it is very similar to the recommendation of a high-ranking official with the face of a heavy drinking Jewish boy for teachers to go into business.

[Stiletto_711]

Yes, it will not be cheap. Likely for the money you can build a modern warship, which is very necessary for our not the newest fleet. But the ships themselves do not go into battle, people are leading them. In any weapon system, man is the most complex element that requires special attention. His personal qualities, manifested at a crucial moment, can strengthen the system, but can reduce its effectiveness to zero. To send a person who is not ready in moral and psychological terms to battle (this is when there is blood, fire and death all around) even on the most modern ship means losing both the person and the ship and not fulfilling the assigned task.
So in this case it makes no sense to save, the avaricious will pay with interest.

[goblin xnumx]

I’m just wondering, are you writing about a tank break-in, what? - t 72- 80 b-90 or ms 1- bt 7? follow the logic already- a sailboat in the age of nuclear-powered ships and turbines is ms 1- well or a wheelbarrow sheathed with iron :)

[Stiletto_711]

In the case of running in the tank, it is more advisable to use the one that is, because the effect provided in this case depends on the model of the tank. If a roar like a cart with MS-1 pans passes over your trench, it will also be scary. But the difference in the impact on the personnel provided by the service on a sailboat and on a modern ship, you can feel if you climb on the mast, even in easy pitching.

[your1970]

Stiletto_71
"Then, according to your logic, hand-to-hand fighting should be canceled in the ground forces. Why teach a shooter or machine gunner to wave his fists?" - to what has been said, I will add that in ALL armies of the world (even in such serious states as the Vatican, Liechtenstein, etc.) they walk with a STRIKE step. It would seem why in the realities of nuclear weapons a combat step ?? !! But no, without him, the cohesion of the team, knowledge of the elbow / a colleague cannot be achieved.
Although outwardly it would seem stupid .....
So with sailboats, the feeling of an elbow arises when at the same time the whole team is doing the hard and necessary work. And if you study without it, an anedotic situation of fencing off from the team will arise (I'm supposedly a good specialist and amba, I’m your drum results)

[Koshak]

Quote: lelikas

Wait, this hour people are still talking about Caliber - Nk will remember.

And that, on a sailing ship "caliber" is the most. Fuck who would guess.

[Baikal]

Introduced the launch of "Caliber" from a sailing ship ... Infernal spectacle

[Sirocco]

A good idea, all the more we live in such a turbulent time. After all, we now really have steam engines on the siding (mothballed), I was interested in one teacher from the retraining center in Russian Railways, but are there anyone who can launch the steam engine and operate it? The answer was not surprising, units on the fingers of one hand can be counted. And given the fact that the planet Earth 2/3 (conditionally) consists of water, and mother Russia is surrounded by several oceans, then the idea is useful and pleasing to God))

[gray smeet]

If there are steam locomotives in the Russian Railways on the siding (as museums?), Maybe something for the Navy (for me, well, it's just a beautiful ship):

[Sirocco]

Quote: gray smeet

If there are steam locomotives on the siding in Russian Railways (as museums?),

No, not as museums, yes, something is stolen on some copies, but in general in working condition.
I think in case of war, they will just fit, and for this purpose they are protected. Well, with a sailing ship, every future captain should take a sip of the sea, to the fullest, and should be able and know how to work with sails, maps on his knee, and other devices, and not with electronics.

[kirieeleyson]

recently made a media resource where you can visually inspect Aurora. Generally, very informative and cool, I recommend. reference: http: //kreyseravrora.rf

[maxim1987]

sailboats "Kruzenshtern", "Sedov" and "Mir" of the Russian Navy do not belong

dear admiral, but don’t tell who pushed them to the left

[Army soldier2]

I’ll answer for the vice admiral: the named sailing ships of the USSR Navy did not belong.

[nemec55]

Hurry and as the saying goes ...
Honor the post above if you are lazy <YANDEX>

[minus]

There are only two questions - what can be learned on a sailing ship, what cannot be learned on another ship, what will be in demand in real life and how many other ships can be built, spending the same money, and how to create a sailing ship ???

[Engineer]

1. On a sailing yacht, a cadet boy will become a male sailor.
2. Not a single warship

[gramatey]

For example, you can learn how to use sonar systems. The sailboat itself will not create noise from the screw group - priceless from the point of view of acoustics.
And the simplest thing you can learn is to work in a team, to obey and command people.
I, a Murmansk citizen, remember that in the 70s and 80s, every year, cadets of Murmansk seafarers, middle and mostly higher, having completed their first year, went to Sedov, usually for a world regatta. Cadets - navigators and ship technicians - without exception. This allowed the children to understand whether they had chosen the profession. In my environment there are enough people who went to Sedov. pysy - the former Murmansk higher sailor now is the state. those. University, where I, as an assistant professor, also work on part of the rate.
So a sailing ship is a very useful thing, even in order to demonstrate our flag purely at regattas.

[acrshooter]

And this means that in conditions of warfare (God forbid Neptune) of low intensity, a sailing vessel can be used as auxiliary PLO vessels.

[787nkx]

OCHA Remember, most are not about you, but you need to know everything.

[chunga-changa]

It is high time. The only thing, if only we would not start immediately designing a five-mast truck for a thousand cadets. In general, in theory, each naval institution should have its own small squadron of a two-masted schooner or brigantine and a pair of yachts, for 1-2 week practices. It doesn’t know what a difficult task to design and build, in the worst case, to buy, it’s not so expensive.

[severyanin]

Well, finally, it came to our bosses! I myself 10 years ago, being a cadet of one of the naval universities, participated in a round-the-world voyage on the barque "Kruzenshtern" in 2005-2006. There were only 5 of us military cadets for 130 cadets of average sailors ... There are still a lot of unforgettable impressions!
It is these ships that instill a love for the sea, introduce you to the romance of the sea service, and not the old old "Perekop" and "Smolny", which, apart from disgust, caused nothing

[Valter1364]

Right! Including check for "lice". This maritime practice is like a quality mark for a future officer.

[senima56]

Sailboats were not built neither in the USSR, nor, moreover, in modern Russia ... Why try to "create a bicycle"? Let's build ships for the Navy at our shipyards! Namely "ships", but not "sailboats"! And you can buy a sailboat abroad.

[sabakina]

Sailing is good.
Excuse me, but will there be an anchor in my throat? No, I'm not joking, it's just that I can't put a sail without a nautical mat ... I generally keep quiet about the boatswain's pipe.

[Serg65]

Quote: sabakina

just do not put sail without a sea mat

The true truth ... son, are you like a pregnant mando ... ahem ... do you have a flea? Pull the rope you know, and which you don’t even know with your nose, do not smell !!!!!

[Vitas]

Another would be "Aurora" on the move. Eh, dreams, dreams.

[Zhiglov]

Quote: Vitas

Another would be "Aurora" on the move. Eh, dreams, dreams.

Aurora is on the move, but it won’t shoot ... Enough trouble in Russia already! Blood has been shed a lot, this time they won’t untwist us, for the massacre ...

[individual]

The times of the amusing troops of Russia ended in the 1700s.
Now other times - other tasks.
What they do at Yoongi's clubs should be encouraged!

[Dr. Bormental]

I will say about medicine .. if a student is not taught how to endure the patient, if the future doctor does not know how to wash floors, if he has no compassion, not having "lived" in the shoes of a nurse, this is not a doctor, but a doctor !!! I think this also applies to future sailors.

[PKK]

I can treat the flu in two nights, I can cure the ulcer in a month. That's enough for me.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: PKK

I can treat the flu in two nights, I can cure the ulcer in a month. That's enough for me.

You can put it on the website of urine therapy lovers. I don’t need to.
I saw such doctors as you, then I had to put in intensive care, after your konovalstva. Impotence? It doesn’t matter ... insert a piece of wire into your urethra .. thrombophlebitis? It is necessary to smear feces on the feet at night, and on top of waxed paper - in the form of a compress ..

[PKK]

Heh !! Yes, you are much more primitive than you look. Get involved in the life of philosophy. Logically, if there is a long medicine that produces chronicles, then there should be, according to the law of life, fast medicine that treats quickly and which is not beneficial for TM. Or as a real doctor, YOU will stubbornly assert that your medicine is the only true one and there can be no other, because it cannot be! But the fact is on the face, the flu in two nights and any inflammation can be treated in a couple of hours.

[Dr. Bormental]

Listen, but you're joking, right?

[goblin xnumx]

https://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/702/hwzk251.jpg

[guzik007]

.Or like a real doctor, YOU will persistently assert that your medicine is the only true one and there can be no other, because it cannot be! But the fact is on the face, the flu in two nights and any inflammation can be treated in a couple of hours.
---------------------------------------------

Lord, what have I been doing, the foolish, already 26 years in intensive care !? You opened my eyes to my grayness and wretchedness
NAME! The name is sister!

[Zhiglov]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

I will say about medicine .. if a student is not taught how to endure the patient, if the future doctor does not know how to wash floors, if he has no compassion, not having "lived" in the shoes of a nurse, this is not a doctor, but a doctor !!! I think this also applies to future sailors.

I was lying in intensive care ... The nurses were always disappearing somewhere (these are in years) and the young were not visible, but they (as I later noticed) ran out to smoke ... But the guys were young, they worked and did not disdain anything ! I tried to be indignant, as if you couldn't get it out, but he calmly said, "I'm trying .." ... Calm down and did everything clearly (that's the dirty work) .. And sailboats are a huge experience for young people, there are no buttons and bloody calluses and a real brotherhood! We need such sailboats .. (I dreamed about them from books ..) But alas!

[Dr. Bormental]

So that's what I'm talking about .... "if you want to be the wife of a general, marry a lieutenant" ... you can't climb on a Christmas tree like that ... you need to prochukhayat everything from the bottom to the top ... any specialist in any work will confirm this ))

[Valter1364]

An initial practice for cadets on a sailing ship is essential! And only a person far from the sea can argue with this. It is in such extreme conditions that the basic qualities of future fleet officers are checked. At that, it doesn’t matter whether it is a civilian navy or a naval one.
There’s nothing to talk about!

[sub307]

Quote: Valter1364

An initial practice for cadets on a sailing ship is essential!

Naturally - the initial one ..., after the 1st year, for example, for “soaking up” so to speak. ”Well, and then passing practice on the existing ships of the Navy, you will not need to serve on sailing ships.

[seregatara1969]

classic beautiful sailboat - will be the pride of the country

[Dr. Bormental]

It would be very cool))

[Kulneff2009]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Sailors say that whoever did not sail on a sailing vessel is not a sailor, is it true I don’t dare to judge, but to climb such masts, and in windy stormy weather, one must have outstanding qualities, for sailors it’s the most ..

Correct words!

[marshes]

Yes, I would like to "go" somewhere under sail, before and on a jet ski to bypass one of the southern archipelagos. Dreams, Dreams.

[Zhiglov]

Quote: marshes

Yes, I would like to "go" somewhere under sail, before and on a jet ski to bypass one of the southern archipelagos. Dreams, Dreams.

And I envy Konyukhov sincerely ... This is his life!

[marshes]

Quote: Zhiglov

And I envy Konyukhov sincerely ... This is his life!

Of course, you can envy.
And for me, the nearest sea-ocean, the Caspian does not count, already for almost 3000 km, and even it seems Indian.
I tested all the ponds at home.
And so in Phuket, on an air mattress between the rocks floated.

[kote119]

very beautiful

[Zhiglov]

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And I envy Konyukhov sincerely ... This is his life!

Of course, you can envy.
And for me, the nearest sea-ocean, the Caspian does not count, already for almost 3000 km, and even it seems Indian.
I tested all the ponds at home.
And so in Phuket, on an air mattress between the rocks floated.

You’re right, of course, and you can find beautiful and extreme places in yourself ... The main thing is to want! Kazakhstan is a beautiful country ... Steppe, Lake Mountains! The smell of freedom and vast space .. (I sometimes look at photos ..) Oh, I’d take it with a backpack ..

[marshes]

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. Steppe, lakes Mountains! The smell of freedom and vast space ..

I "digested" all this, the steppe is often monotonous, interesting only in spring. Lakes and mountains are of interest to a traveler who once visited. Then they stupidly tire. That is why the Kazakhs used to roam.
Freedom to the nearest precinct, the space is empty, under eats up when the food and spirits end.

[firefighter]

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backpack ..

Tear your ass off the couch and computer!

[firefighter]

I am outraged! Shaking! Cheshi to the Crimea! What the hell ... do you feed the monkeys? Personally compared - Sudak and only Sudak!

[oldzek]

sails will be needed for a long time: to determine whether you are a sailor or so you went for a walk, you are a collectivist or you do not need anyone other than yourself. And even in any profession, they begin with the basics: they teach a locksmith to use a tool and only then do something useful.

[kote119]

but who do you think didn’t sail?

[firefighter]

Let's just say: not a submariner ...?

[In100gram]

I think there should be several such ships. Not enough one for the whole country

[Utlan]

Russia has recently acquired another sailing ship. Got in a place with the Crimea! Until recently, the name "Khersones" belonged to the Kerch Marine Technological Institute. Stood for a long time in Kerch, needed repairs. Now it seems that Sevastopol has squeezed him. There is no exact data, except that he is not in the city.

[firefighter]

who is not afraid of heights = corpse. it is necessary to identify all reckless on the training vessel. I EXPRESS ITS SUBJECTIVE OPINION - A SAILBOARD IS NECESSARY AND I DO NOT ONE Article Plus

[firefighter]

Lord Moremans! Personally, I am a fan of aviation, but when I saw a sailing ship (forgive me, I don’t know its classification), "Chersonesos" got a charge of emotions as if he was kissing a T-50 in a series!

[asavchenko59]

It is necessary to refuse to hold the World Cup in football, and to direct funds for these purposes.

[bochman]

Quote: Utlan

Russia has recently acquired another sailing ship. Got in a place with the Crimea! Until recently, the name "Khersones" belonged to the Kerch Marine Technological Institute. Stood for a long time in Kerch, needed repairs. Now it seems that Sevastopol has squeezed him. There is no exact data, except that he is not in the city.

"Chersonesos" stands today in the plant on the Ship side of Sevastopol. Reconditioning is nearing completion. It should be out of repair this year. You can see its masts from the Grafskaya pier. Recently I stood at the pier of the seaport and received the Minister of Transport of Russia on board.

[Samoyed]

The West has recently withdrawn all production to countries with cheap labor, leaving only the brains of designers. A gap has formed, design engineers no longer knew the intricacies of manufacturing technology and problems began already with design. It seems that a sailor who does not understand the intricacies of the sea, which yields sailing practice, will not become a sea captain.