Special contingent. Part of 3

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Special contingent. Part of 3


The order for the troops of the Supreme Military District about the burial of the corpses of enemy soldiers and officers from 22 in February 1943, ordered to finish it in a seven-day period. The whole area, including the city, was divided into areas that were divided into military units in the following order: the city of Stalingrad, from the southern borders to the Tsaritsa River and the Gumrak, Nursery, Novy Rogachik, Rakitino, Peschanka regions - 64-I army; the center of Stalingrad - the 7 th infantry corps, as well as all parts located in the area; from the Oil Sindicate to Latoshinka, as well as the Razgulyaevka and Sheds crossing - 62-I Army; Gorodishche - Orlovka - Yerzovka area - state farm, Kotluban - Samofalovka - New Hope - 66-I army. In the rest of the regions, the cleaning of the corpses was entrusted to Kalachevsky and Gorodishchensky district military commanders, who were assigned for this purpose by a platoon of fighters.

Also, for the commanders of the 62, 64, 66 armies and the 7 infantry corps, they were ordered to allocate the sappers and demolition men in the required quantity and provide them with vehicles. This was due to the fact that, due to the laboriousness of the work on digging trenches for mass graves, it was necessary to carry out these works with the help of explosions. For this purpose, the teams of sappers were involved. The organization of work was entrusted to the chief of the city headquarters of the local air defense Colonel Shevalgin.

Responsibility for the selection of burial sites and control over the observance of the rules were assigned to the city health inspector Dr. Litvinov. The head of the general sanitary control over the cleaning and burial of corpses was entrusted to Dr. Petrov and the head of the sanitary service of the Military Air Force, 1 military doctor of the rank of Henkin. For the burial of corpses, the head of the POW camps department was ordered to assign 500 prisoners of war.



Soviet special contingent

Due to the fact that in the summer of 1941, about 2 million Soviet soldiers (49 percent of the total number of prisoners of war for all the years of the war) were held captive, the fact of captivity was perceived as a crime. The tragic experience of the outbreak of war predetermined the desire of the Soviet authorities to organize a system of verification of those who returned from captivity or the environment.

27 December 1941 of the year issued a decree of the USSR State Defense Committee (hereinafter - the State Defense Committee) No. 1069cc, which obliged the NKVD of the USSR to create special camps (hereinafter - special camps) in the Vologda, Ivanovo, Tambov and Stalingrad regions. Subsequently, the organization of the elimination of special camps were associated with the situation at the front.

According to the order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 001735 of 28 December 1941, “On the creation of special camps for former Red Army soldiers who were captured and surrounded by the enemy,” special camps were formed within the Office of Prisoners of War and interned by the NKVD of the USSR.

Since the release of the above-mentioned documents, Soviet prisoners of war did not fall arbitrarily under the definition of "traitor to the Motherland." Their fault could be established only after verification. Despite this, they were called “former soldiers of the Red Army” (the terminology of the State Defense Committee decree No. 1069ss of December 27 of 1941), that is, they were placed outside the ranks of the Red Army. At the same time, in the documents of the board for the affairs of prisoners of war and interned by the NKVD of the USSR, separate special camps that returned from captivity or the environment were called “special contingent”.

During the period of the strengthening of the totalitarian regime in the USSR and the creation of a system of corrective labor camps, a different concept signified a category of people who were in conditions of secure institutions and carried out forced labor. Such an identification of Soviet soldiers with prisoners clearly indicates their de facto lack of law and negative attitude towards them.

The use of labor of the special contingent began already in 1942 during the construction of the Kamyshin-Ilovlya railway (part of the Volga Rokadnaya railway). However, the normative work of this category of workers was assigned only in April 1943 of the year. In accordance with the order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 00675 of April 6 of 1943, the offices of the camps of the USSR SVD camps were to organize the use of the work of the special contingent.

Soon after the end of the Battle of Stalingrad in the city, the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 was created. In March, 1943 of the year, it was opened in the village of Beketovka, Kirovsky district, but in May 1943 was moved to the Lower Village of the Traktorozavodsky District, in the immediate vicinity of the Tractor Plant, where it was supposed to use labor returned from captivity.

In June 1943, the first branch of a special camp in the Upper village of the Barrikadniy district appeared. The estimated number of offices was 1500 people.

From February 1944 of the year, the camp branch was supposed to begin work at the division of the economic department (hereinafter referred to as XOZO) of the USSR NKVD in the Stalingrad region - the construction department. In May — June, 1944 was planned to create a camp site for the maintenance of an 2000 man of special contingent at the Red October metallurgical plant.

The main part of the camp was located in the Lower Village in the unfinished, technician House destroyed during the war, 500 meters from the Volga River. The report of the chief of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 FS Yemelyanov about the work of the special camp in the second quarter of 1943, it was indicated that the camp zone occupied an area of ​​33 600 square. m and was isolated from the plant and the local population, there was a living area - three kitchens and workshops.

The total living area of ​​the camp office at the plant number 221, which was located in the Upper village of the Barrikadny district of Stalingrad, was 13 423 square. There was no roof in the building.

The conditions in which the special contingent of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR №0108 during the Great Patriotic War lived were far from normal and contributed to the deterioration of physical condition. As follows from the memorandum of the doctor-inspector of the camp management section of prisoners-of-war of the Soviet Union of National Security and Defense Administration in the Stalingrad region from September 16 on 1943, the premises of the camp were in unsanitary condition. The residential zone of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 was not removed, the premises were not glazed. Cooking places were not equipped: ““ there are a lot of flies, cutting tables and lids on food pots are dirty, the floor is not clean ”.

There were no necessary products in stock. The special contingent consumed water from the Volga, which was not subjected to heat treatment, but only chlorinated. In all the rooms of the treatment block it was dirty, there were not enough beds and bed linen. As a result, some patients were placed in common residential premises along with healthy ones. The medical inspector noted that the lack of sanitary conditions in the camp creates the danger of disease.



A year later, information on the camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 also indicated unfavorable conditions for the detention of former Soviet prisoners of war. Record keeping documents show that people slept on bare plank bins, clothing that was available was subjected to repeated repairs and came almost completely unsuitable for wearing. No special camp unit had a canteen, food was eaten in the open air or in residential premises.

The power level of the former Soviet prisoners of war of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 was also not optimal. It is known that the contingent was issued on 600 grams of bread per day. However, this situation has developed in the conditions of funding special camps partly from the NKVD of the USSR, partly from the NPOs of the USSR. At the same time, the maintenance of workers in this category went 50 percent of their wages.

The living conditions of the special contingent remained poor even after the reorganization of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 into the test-filtration camp department of the USSR NKVD in the Stalingrad region in February 1945 of the year.

Head of the camp branch I.I. Evdokimov, in a report for the second quarter of 1945, stated that the clothes he had had were dilapidated, and because of the lack of bedding, most of the former Soviet prisoners of war were forced to sleep on bare plank beds.

It should be noted that during the war years, such living conditions were inherent in most of the civilian population of the Soviet Union, with the only difference being that they were in a special camp could not independently improve their life. Under conditions of a secure establishment, they should have been kept until the end of the inspection.

During the existence of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108, more than 9 thousands of people underwent testing there. Special contingent was involved in the restoration of industrial enterprises of the city of Stalingrad, whose products were necessary for the front (Stalingrad Tractor Plant, Plant No. 221 Barricades, Red October Plant and others), as well as the restoration of the Stalingrad GRES and the construction of the NKVD Administration of the USSR. From June 1944, the contingent of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 was also involved in housing construction. After the reorganization of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108, its relatively small contingent remained in demand and was used for various works at the Dynamo stadium, the confectionery factory No. 4, for cleaning the territories of schools, kindergartens and others.

In contracts concluded between the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 and construction organizations and enterprises, it was noted that the special contingent was needed mainly for construction and restoration work, that is, it was planned to use former Soviet prisoners of war as carpenters, bricklayers, builders and others. Special contingent was also involved in clearing areas from debris and shells.

At the same time, most of the former Soviet prisoners of war of the special camp of the NKVD of the USSR No. 0108 did not have construction specialties, but, on the basis of the conditions of the concluded agreements, were to carry out restoration work. This indicates that their work was unskilled and, as a result, labor productivity was probably at a low level. Often there have been cases of significant overruns. Thus, instead of the months established by 2-3, those who returned from captivity were delayed in a special camp for six months or more.

In their letters they addressed I.V. To Stalin: “Dear father and teacher, I want to briefly describe about my life and ask you to decide my fate. Or be me a warrior at the front, or a fighter in labor. " Telling your stories they tried to show that they were not guilty, but were victims of circumstances, that the period of their verification was unreasonably long. One of the former Soviet prisoners of war in the letter of I.V. To Stalin from 14, October noted: “Together with other comrades, I experienced (in German captivity) horror. We were beaten, starved, put in a tightly closed room without windows by 35-40 people, whereas the last one could accommodate 15 people. October 1 us, 40 men and 30 women, almost stripped on the head and taken away. We knew what awaited us. Nobody agreed to escape due to a depressed moral state. The car door opened and we saw a pit. Five people were called out of the car. Everyone was hiding one after another. The commander told us to jump into the pit and go face down. I worked out an escape plan. I hit the executioner in the face, knocked down. I was shot in the back. But I continued to escape. Ran to the village of Frunze. I lived there for several months until the German scum was expelled from the Rostov region and the city of Rostov. I was mobilized to restore the bridge over the river Don. Transferred to the Rostselmash plant. After working at the factory until February 28 1944, I was summoned by the military registration and enlistment office of the Stalin district and sent me to the special camp number 205 of Krasnodar for inspection. 13 of April of this year I was transported to special camp number 0108. Here I am on the present. By specialty, I do not work. And besides, I cannot know what is my fault, why I am being kept in a camp. Of course, maybe this is so necessary, but it is amazing that my wife was subjected to some kind of interrogation about my adventures. Dear Comrade Stalin, decide a question about me, remain with me further in the camp, or be innocent of anything. Or give me the opportunity to go to the front and put pressure on the German reptile, or send me to the Rostselmash factory to build ships of collective farm fields, which have been given your great name. ”

The content of the above letter indicates a significant increase in the timing of verification.

Summing up, it should be noted that the workers from among the special contingent lived in difficult conditions, however, they also contributed to the restoration of the famous city.
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  1. +18
    12 August 2016 06: 46
    A strange impression of Pauline's articles. What a mess in her head. Why not indicate how many people passed the special check, how many passed, how many continued to sit, but there are documents. No crying yaroslavny, they say all the traitors and sat. And as for the letters, let’s ask anyone in prison, they are all innocent there.
    1. +9
      12 August 2016 06: 51
      I support your opinion, especially about innocence ...... + from me
    2. +5
      12 August 2016 08: 48
      Quote: timyr
      A strange impression of Pauline's articles. What a mess in her head. Why not indicate how many people passed the special check, how many passed, how many continued to sit, but there are documents. No crying yaroslavny, they say all the traitors and sat. And as for the letters, let’s ask anyone in prison, they are all innocent there.


      If you cite data from the documents, then the entire concept of the part of the article about the former Soviet prisoners of war will collapse. Therefore, only "about compote".
    3. +6
      12 August 2016 16: 05
      "And about letters, just ask anyone in prison, they are all innocent there." ... Thank you "friend" - now you equated former prisoners of war with criminals. My grandfather, who was filtered and was released immediately home, turns out to automatically become a criminal. Thanks at least not an enemy of the people thanks to some kind of Timur, u.
    4. +2
      12 August 2016 17: 38
      Quote: timyr
      Strange impression from the articles of Polina.


      Yeah, and just a huge amount of typos, spelling and grammatical errors. Is she typing articles on a smartphone?

      At the same time, I would like to indicate references to primary sources:
      for example, about Stalingrad and special camp No. XXUMX:
      http://sci-article.ru/stat.php?i=1399918368
      "The use of labor of the special contingent in restoring and building up the economic potential of the machine-building plant No. 221 “Barricades” in Stalingrad (1943 – 1945)"Gaevskaya Zhanna Yurievna, Master, Volgograd State Social and Pedagogical University, postgraduate student
    5. +4
      12 August 2016 19: 26
      To check the former Red Army soldiers captured or surrounded by the enemy, the NKVD special camps were created by the decision of GKOKO No. 1069ss dated 27.XII - 41.

      The verification of the Red Army servicemen who are in special camps is carried out by the SMERS counterintelligence departments of NCOs under the NKVD special camps (at the time of the decision these were Special Divisions).

      In total, the former Red Army soldiers who left the encirclement and were released from captivity, 354592 people, including officers of 50441 people, passed through the special camps.
      From this number it is checked and transferred:
      a) to the Red Army 249416 people.
      including:
      to military units through military enlistment offices 231034 people.
      of them - officers 27042 people.
      for the formation of assault battalions 18382 people.
      of them - officers 16163 people.
      b) in industry according to the regulations of the GKOCO 30749 people.
      including 29 officers
      c) 5924 people for the formation of escort troops and the protection of special camps
      3. 11556 people were arrested by SMERSH bodies.
      of which 2083 enemy intelligence and counterintelligence agents
      of them - officers (for various crimes) 1284 people.
      4. Departed for various reasons for all time - in hospitals, hospitals and 5347 people died.
      5. There are 51601 people in special camps of the NKVD of the USSR.
      including 5657 officers

      Of the number of officers remaining in the camps of the NKVD of the USSR in October, 4 assault battalions of 920 people each are formed
      © Information on the verification process of b / encirclement and b / prisoners of war as of October 1, 1944
      Victor Zemskov. Gulag (historical and sociological aspect).
  2. +5
    12 August 2016 07: 04
    There were no necessary products in stock. The special contingent consumed water from the Volga, which was not subjected to heat treatment, but only chlorinated. In all the rooms of the treatment block it was dirty, there were not enough beds and bed linen. As a result, some patients were placed in common residential premises along with healthy ones. The medical inspector noted that the lack of sanitary conditions in the camp creates the danger of disease.

    And they were not given compote. There was no choice of dishes. There were no televisions and a gym. Where did human rights activists look?
    1. +1
      12 August 2016 15: 08
      Quote: qwert

      And they were not given compote. There was no choice of dishes. There were no televisions and a gym. Where did human rights activists look?


      Sir, this is not funny. If the author allows himself emotions and exaggerations, then those who noticed them have a sin to mock at a similar topic ...
  3. +11
    12 August 2016 07: 22
    Nicholas I carried out an inspection of the prison .. asked the prisoners for what they were sitting, are they guilty .. All in one voice for nothing the tsar-father .. are not guilty .. One and say, it’s guilty, I’m a murderer ... and so it was .. Nikolay I said, let this go ... the rest let them sit ..
    Pauline, like a reed, now sways to the right, then to the left ...
    1. +7
      12 August 2016 09: 02
      Quote: parusnik

      Pauline, like a reed, now sways to the right, then to the left ...


      Also noticed.
      Pauline writes excellent articles on the memoirs of veterans, for which many thanks to her.

      But, when it comes to military operations or, as today, about Soviet prisoners of war - there is not a single figure from the archives, although all this is now accessible and easily verified.
      And without actual material, without documents, we get such a totalitarian mess. Special contingent without compote.
      1. MrK
        +4
        13 August 2016 14: 44
        Alas, I'm afraid filtration camps in the USSR were a brutal necessity. And also because then another war had not yet ended - the civil one. From the front line came quite ideological, real enemies. And while spies and saboteurs spoke Russian without a German accent - simply because they were Russian. Remember the book "In August 44." "... Ignatov Vasily? .. Brunet! .. Revyakin? .. Boychevsky? .. Lysenko? .. Denis Guryanov? .. Wormwood? .. Mishchenko? .. Mishchenko? !! South Russian dialect ... crooked, like cavalrymen’s legs ... eyes with narrowed eyes ... Is Mishchenko really?! "
        There is another example. In March 1943, the Nazis drove into the barn 149 peaceful people of the village of Khatyn, half of whom were children, and burned ... The punishers were from the 118-th special police battalion, formed from Ukrainian nationalists. The commander of the punitive battalion was former senior lieutenant of the Red Army Grigory Vasyura. In Kiev, the battalion “became famous” for the fact that it destroyed Jews with particular cruelty in Babi Yar. The atrocities in Khatyn and Babi Yar were not the only ones on the battalion's track record.
        At the end of the war, Vasyure managed to cover his tracks in the filtration camp. Only in the 1952 year did the tribunal of the Kiev Military District sentence him to 25 years of imprisonment for cooperation with the occupiers. At that time, nothing was known about his punitive activities. But on 17 of September 1955 of the year, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted the Decree "On the amnesty of Soviet citizens who collaborated with the occupiers during the Great Patriotic War of 1941 - 1945," and Grigory Vasyura was released. He returned to his home in Cherkasy region. When KGB officers found and arrested the criminal again in April 1984, he was already working as deputy director of one of the state farms in the Kiev region. Shot by court verdict in 1985 year.
        But you need to remember another thing. Among ordinary and sergeant personnel, over 96,5% of former Soviet prisoners of war and even former prisoners were successfully tested.
        And what was difficult in the filtration camps, but where was it easy during the war?
  4. +4
    12 August 2016 08: 40
    And a compote and a cup of coffee ...
    Anger and bitterness outside the human psyche made it possible to compensate for the lower density of fire (infantry and art) per one km of the front (BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PSYCHIC HEALTH OF OUR SOLDIERS). produced by PPS IPSh in Kovrov at the Zvezda shopping center approx 43). So they were given a time to live, but behind the wire.
    And who was captured and then returned to us, worked in a single formation. For the leadership of the country, it did not matter how or with what certificate to build roads and disassemble broken brick and corpses, to cut down the forest, or to die
    in a swamp under no height.
  5. +10
    12 August 2016 08: 43
    Good afternoon everyone! I would like to recommend Klaus Fritzsche's autobiographical book "Air Gunner", where the fate of a captured German is described in an interesting way, sometimes with good humor. After reading, I got the impression that after the captivity the author became, perhaps, even more Russian than some "natural" Russians.
  6. +6
    12 August 2016 09: 26
    What a cruel totalitarian regime! I subtracted half the salary for food!
    author, do the flowers.

    2 million prisoners ... I understand that it’s easy to talk about a computer, but every time I hear this figure the thought arises: if half of them strangled at least 1 fascist ...
    1. +1
      12 August 2016 15: 39
      Quote: gv2000

      2 million prisoners ... I understand that it’s easy to talk about a computer, but every time I hear this figure the thought arises: if half of them strangled at least 1 fascist ...


      So you can see right away that your reasoning, alas, was born at the computer ... Who are you, forgive me, to judge? The front-line soldiers, who knew the war not from Wikipedia, told how right during the offensive in the Donbass, at the beginning of 1943, from the newly liberated cities and villages they rowed clean everyone who, at least outwardly (most of those who survived the occupation did not have documents, but the collective farmers never had them at all - they were natural Stalinist serfs, without the right to move or change activities) fit the draft age; unlike 41-42, when they sometimes gave one rifle and one clip for three, or all three Berdanks of the Russian times -Turkish war of 1877-78, rifles were now given to everyone, and even grenades - but there was no uniform, and why should the non-fired suicide bombers need clothes? They went straight from the doorstep into battle in what they were in - they were nicknamed "jackets" by the troops - and died in the very first battle. And when Manstein made our "second Kharkov" relaxed after Stalingrad and the Caucasus, and the Seversky Donets were crossed by at most 200 people from each division surrounded by the Lozovaya station, these "jackets", inexperienced and confused, left without command, were the first to be captured by German ... And no one has the right to judge these boys and old people, who were forced to fight with useless means and without training through the fault of the Kremlin "fathers of the people" who almost lost the war and the country: they would not have driven them into the cauldrons for the Germans, prepared how should, for the war, they would not sacrifice them thoughtlessly, shamelessly and talentlessly, trying to liberate some town without fail by November 7 or May 1 at the cost of soldiers' lives - they would have fought gloriously, and not "strangled one fascist", but more. And so they were taken prisoner, and after the German hell, "brothers-liberators" they were thrust into the Soviet by those who were really to blame!
      And this is just an episode ...
      1. +2
        12 August 2016 16: 22
        Add that the Germans also used this method of recruiting - otherwise you will call a srach ... As for "they would have fought nicely, and not" they strangled a fascist one by one ", but more .." Forgive nonsense, you are already talking. Soldiers have such positions that they have not seen enemies during the entire war. And they see only for example airplanes or "goodies" arriving from the enemy. Excuse me, but how can you make a field aircraft mechanic "kill at least one"? To spit behind the front line perhaps 1 km away - maybe he will kill someone?
      2. +1
        15 August 2016 11: 55
        Quote: sirin
        So you can see right away that your reasoning, alas, was born at the computer ... Who are you, forgive me, to judge? The front-line soldiers, who knew the war not from Wikipedia, told how right during the offensive in the Donbass, at the beginning of 1943, from the newly liberated cities and villages they rowed clean everyone who, at least outwardly (most of those who survived the occupation did not have documents, but the collective farmers never had them at all - they were natural Stalinist serfs, without the right to move or change activities) fit the draft age; unlike 41-42, when they sometimes gave one rifle and one clip for three, or all three Berdanks of the Russian times -Turkish war of 1877-78, rifles were now given to everyone, and even grenades - but there was no uniform, and why should the non-fired suicide bombers need clothes? They went straight from the doorstep into battle in what they were in - they were nicknamed "jackets" by the troops - and died in the very first battle. And when Manstein made our "second Kharkov" relaxed after Stalingrad and the Caucasus, and the Seversky Donets were crossed by at most 200 people from each division surrounded by the Lozovaya station, these "jackets", inexperienced and confused, left without command, were the first to be captured by German ... And no one has the right to judge these boys and old people, who were forced to fight with useless means and without training through the fault of the Kremlin "fathers of the people" who almost lost the war and the country: they would not have driven them into the cauldrons for the Germans, prepared how should, for the war, they would not sacrifice them thoughtlessly, shamelessly and talentlessly, trying to liberate some town without fail by November 7 or May 1 at the cost of soldiers' lives - they would have fought gloriously, and not "strangled one fascist", but more. And so they were taken prisoner, and after the German hell, "brothers-liberators" they were thrust into the Soviet by those who were really to blame!
        And this is just an episode ...


        You are right.
        Now "testimony" is not taken into account, since there are no eyewitnesses left. They interfered with the existence of an "inappropriate" official, cleaned-up version of the Great Patriotic War - in which there is no place for "one rifle and 5 rounds for three", there is no place for the history of how Red Army prisoners of war were sent from the German camp after the war to 10 years in camps.
        Such stories will soon be only in oral traditions.

        I remember and tell my grandchildren how my grandfather, who was captured in July 1941 and who was freed with other prisoners from the camp in Silesia by the British in 1945, was transferred to the USSR and there all those who were liberated were sent to lumbering in the Arkhangelsk region for 10 years.
        Grandfather was not released from the camp until 1953 after the death of Stalin.

        Stalinists are shitty - our Soviet prisoners did not sit out in their own Soviet camps a full "ten" - only 8 years felling for being captured in battle.
    2. 0
      12 August 2016 16: 13
      In the late 80s and 90s, this proverb "about one German for each" was so poured onto our brains that it was drawn. Do you want to continue?
  7. +7
    12 August 2016 10: 46
    Pauline, compare, for God's sake these special camps and the end of the German camp, then draw conclusions about cruelty. Yes, during the war it was hard. And who then was easy? After the war, the captured Germans (I’m not talking about the Russians, by this time they had already figured out who went to the front, who went into the labor of the army, someone to the zone) lived pretty well. The housing was the same as that of the local population. I know, because they lived in our village too. I was a fry, and my parents and neighbors communicated with them. There was no malice towards the Germans then. Frontline workers, yes, hated them. So for the cause, what would you like? And with numbers really, be careful.
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 12: 08
      Quote: EvgNik
      compare, for God's sake, these special camps and the end of the German camp, then draw conclusions about cruelty. Yes, during the war it was hard. And who then was easy?


      Do not you think that the Soviet soldiers who were captured did not deserve 10 years in Soviet camps after being released from German captivity? Whether labor - they were no different from other camps, guards, towers, forced labor. Moreover, they die or not, it did not matter to the camp authorities. - Since 1947, special control has been introduced for German prisoners in order to reduce mortality, and German prisoners lived in better conditions (soldiers who came to seize our Motherland).
      Paradoxically, the invading soldiers lived better than the Soviet soldiers who defended their homeland and by force of circumstances were captured, who had been in German captivity for 4 years and received 10 more years of camps from the bloodsucker of Stalin!
  8. +5
    12 August 2016 11: 04
    Quote: EvgNik
    Pauline, compare, for God's sake these special camps and the end of the German camp, then draw conclusions about cruelty.


    Here is an estimate from the Germans themselves:

    An objective assessment of the conditions of detention of Soviet prisoners of war in the first year of the war was given by Reich Minister of Occupied Eastern Territories A. Rosenberg in his letter to the chief of staff of the OKB General Field Marshal V. Keitel of February 28, 1942. Here are some fragments of this letter:

    “The fate of Soviet prisoners of war in Germany has become a tragedy of enormous proportions. Of the 3,6 million prisoners of war, only a few hundred thousand are currently fully functional. Most of them died of hunger or cold. Thousands have died from typhus. It goes without saying that supplying such a mass of prisoners of war with food meets great difficulties. Nevertheless, with a clear understanding of the goals pursued by German policy, the death of people on the scale described could have been avoided ... in many cases, when prisoners of war could not march due to hunger and exhaustion, they were shot in front of the horrified civilian population, and their corpses remained abandoned. In numerous camps, they did not even take care of building premises for prisoners of war. In the rain and snow they were in the open air. One could hear reasoning: "The more prisoners die, the better for us" "
  9. +8
    12 August 2016 11: 12
    It seems that this Polina has some semolina in his head. All mixed up in a heap, and flies and meatballs, and theirs and ours ... The girl completely forgot how the Nazis treated our prisoners of war ... They would obviously not have regretted her, how much she regrets them, poor things ... Ugh!
    And as for me, it doesn't matter how the captured Germans lived there, whether they were freezing or not, starving or not, etc. We didn't come to them! After the war, because of these creatures, half of the country lay in ruins, the villages were almost completely deprived of men! Our Russian peasants, who were killed by these same "prisoners of war", whom we fed better than they fed our prisoners somewhere in Buchenwald, Auschwitz, Majdanek ...
    I feel sorry only for our encircling soldiers who fell into our own camps for verification and further filtering. They really had to make better conditions. All the same, ours ...
    But the Germans captured I do not mind! Let them say thanks for being taken prisoner ...
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 12: 12
      Quote: Brigadier
      It seems that this Polina has some semolina in his head. All mixed up in a heap, and flies and meatballs, and theirs and ours ... The girl completely forgot how the Nazis treated our prisoners of war ... They would obviously not have regretted her, how much she regrets them, poor things ... Ugh!


      Well, so remember how many Soviet prisoners of war from German camps fell into the Soviet after the war? Not more, not less - for 10 years of labor camps.
  10. 0
    12 August 2016 13: 12
    Well, there was such a time .. sometimes the civilian population went hungry and worked for 12 hours, and the children even worked .. what did the German prisoner of war sanatorium do? .. they didn’t shoot everyone in the gas chamber 10 and thank you for that they will say ..
  11. 0
    12 August 2016 14: 14
    The author writes quite neutrally I do not understand the negative in the comments
    1. 0
      12 August 2016 16: 26
      But we traditionally do not like neutrals - they will immediately call them "slippery types". Or are you for white or for black ...
  12. +3
    12 August 2016 14: 51
    Quote: Cartalon
    The author writes quite neutrally I do not understand the negative in the comments

    Yes, he does not write neutrally and is silent about many things. That's why I do not like it.
  13. +1
    12 August 2016 16: 35
    He showed a letter from a former prisoner of war to his father - he is from the 36th. He saw and remembers the famine of 47. He immediately said: "He wrote a simple hard worker with faith in Stalin. They did not blame Stalin for hunger - the war was over, nothing can be done, survive." I would like to hope that something else in Stalin's heart ached from such letters. Maybe this is the reason for his cruelty in matters of building a strong state. And who are we to judge fathers and grandfathers? Consumers ...
  14. 0
    12 August 2016 22: 23
    Polina should not have tackled this topic. This is not hers. Minus set.
  15. 0
    13 August 2016 10: 48
    And how much dirt would have poured on us, we treated the prisoners as well as the Germans.
  16. +3
    13 August 2016 12: 33
    When our large family from the south learned that one of our sons was convicted after German captivity and ended up in our camp, my grandmother attached her Mother Heroine order to her blouse and went to Moscow with two suitcases of fruit. She told Shvernik that one of her sons had reached Berlin, the other laid down his head in Sevastopol, and a large family needed a breadwinner, because my grandfather is already quite decrepit ... Shvernik freed my uncle, grandmother sold fruit, bought tickets and returned home with her son. A mother's love can work miracles ...
    + + + + + + + +
    PS Uncle was convicted of sewing boots in German captivity in Rommel’s African corps.
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 12: 29
      Quote: geologist
      When our large family from the south learned that one of our sons was convicted after German captivity and ended up in our camp, my grandmother attached her Mother Heroine order to her blouse and went to Moscow with two suitcases of fruit. She told Shvernik that one of her sons had reached Berlin, the other laid down his head in Sevastopol, and a large family needed a breadwinner, because my grandfather is already quite decrepit ... Shvernik freed my uncle, grandmother sold fruit, bought tickets and returned home with her son. A mother's love can work miracles ...
      + + + + + + + +
      PS Uncle was convicted of sewing boots in German captivity in Rommel’s African corps.


      Grandfather was captured in a camp near Silesia - they were forced to work in mines. He was released in 1945 by the British, transferred to the USSR. He received 10 years of labor camp and before the death of Stalin - 8 years fell down a forest near Arkhangelsk.
      My father could not go to college or school, because in every questionnaire he had to write - "my father was in captivity", after which he was refused.
      Having received the third refusal, he told his mother in his hearts - "It would be better if they killed him!"

      My father is now 83 years old, but even now he cannot calmly speak on this subject. For him, for me and for my children and grandchildren - the Stalinist regime that broke the fates of millions of people is a bloody, villainous regime!

      I recall how, as a boy, I spoke proudly about my grandfather who fought and went missing in the first month of the war, and was silent and ashamed that the second grandfather had been taken prisoner, that the USSR was synonymous with the word TRADER. But he fought, it’s not his fault that part of them was defeated and was surrounded and he had no chance ...

      Who has not been in that setting, who can judge the grandfather ?!
      4 years of hard labor in German captivity and 8 years of hard labor in the USSR, a broken fate and the fate of relatives.
      Judge not lest ye be judged.
  17. +1
    13 August 2016 13: 01
    Nikolai Mikhailovich Shvernik himself was from a large family from the outskirts of St. Petersburg. My family is infinitely grateful to him for mercy ...
  18. +3
    13 August 2016 17: 06
    One of the main myths of today's liberals is the assertion that the liberated Soviet prisoners of war in the USSR were treated worse than the captured Germans.
    But let's look at an indicator such as mortality.
    Despite the fact that the liberated Soviet prisoners of war did not enter the NKVD special camps from sanatoriums, the mortality rate among them was on average about 1%, the same as the number of German prisoners. In the camps of the so-called Gulag at that time about 9% died, in prisons - 4%. (Data from the historian Pykhalov)
    Moreover, they didn’t keep them in special camps for a long time. If a person did not have any incriminating documents and statements, then he was released. Only about 15% were repressed. As a rule, these were accomplices of the invaders.
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 12: 34
      Quote: Alexander Green
      One of the main myths of today's liberals is the assertion that the liberated Soviet prisoners of war in the USSR were treated worse than the captured Germans.
      But let's look at an indicator such as mortality.
      Despite the fact that the liberated Soviet prisoners of war did not enter the NKVD special camps from sanatoriums, the mortality rate among them was on average about 1%, the same as the number of German prisoners. In the camps of the so-called Gulag at that time about 9% died, in prisons - 4%. (Data from the historian Pykhalov)
      Moreover, they didn’t keep them in special camps for a long time. If a person did not have any incriminating documents and statements, then he was released. Only about 15% were repressed. As a rule, these were accomplices of the invaders.


      This is a lie.
      My grandfather got 10 years and worked for 8 years in hard labor - if it weren’t for the death of Stalin - all former Red Army prisoners would be sitting in the top ten.

      You are spreading the myths. Released from German captivity, Soviet servicemen on the field of war did not really stay in transit camps for long - they received the standard term of 10 years in camps, and the fact that these were "labor" camps - they did not differ much from the GULAG - the same security, hard work in logging on north and no rights - was in a log - means a TRAITOR! This Soviet mythology clearly defined, and over the years, shyly kept silent about how they treated their soldiers!
      And here again new myth-makers emerge from the shit, telling tales - what a good Stalin and the whole "wonderful" system
      1. +2
        15 August 2016 21: 37
        Dimerу Vladimirу (1) regarding his remark "It's all lies"
        For several decades, the souls of spectators have been tearing the talented play of the artist Evgeny Urbansky in the film "Clear Sky", in which he played a former fighter pilot who was captured in German during the Great Patriotic War and then pays for it all his life ...

        Or a later film, “Cold Summer of the 53rd,” where actor Valery Priyemykhov showed the ordeal of a former Scouts military intelligence officer, who was only one day in German captivity, no less talented.
        We do not exclude that mistakes were made in relation to some prisoners, but this was rather an exception to the rule, and by no means a rule. The bulk of the returning prisoners after the checks embarked on peaceful work or stood up for the Soviet Army.

        Here is the testimony of Odessa resident captain A.A. Sotnikova (see Bulletin No. 4 (19), 2001 of the Odessa IAC). In his article “I was captured”, he writes:
        “... And here we are in our own land.
        In the city of Ovruch, we landed and headed to the location of one military unit. Dugouts were dug out for themselves near it (those who were on the units during the war remember that in most cases our units were located in dugouts). They put up a fence and began to inhabit our homes. Essentially, we did nothing. They ate, slept, had no idea what would happen next. Gradually equipped volleyball court, made sets of checkers, chess. And so they passed the time. We ate, regained our strength, became alive and vigorous again. Then we began to be attracted to guard duty at various facilities and, of course, at the gates.
        But there was one dugout in the corner of our location, near which was the sentry from the military unit. We knew that there were those who reported incorrect information about themselves. "

        A.A. Sotnikov passed this “filtration” camp without delay and two months later, having received confirmation of his military rank, he left for his relatives in Odessa, where he successfully graduated from a technological institute, and was a university teacher.

        And here is the testimony of the Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General of Aviation L.V. Zholudeva. (Memoirs. Steel Squadron. Page 195, published in Moscow by the Military Publishing House in 1972).
        “... However, two bombers were lost forever, including the crew of Kostya Kiselyov, who also tried to pull over the front line. He drove the car at low altitude when he was attacked by enemy fighters and damaged the control of cannon-machine gun fire. When the plane hit the ground, the navigator Senior Lieutenant Ivan Bondarev and air gunner Abramov died. And Kiselev with broken legs, in an unconscious state, was captured and went a hard way through the Nazi concentration camps. Prisoners of war doctors put the pilot on his feet, and after the war he returned to the regiment.
        By the way, I note that I had to put him into operation, to check his piloting technique. And I can firmly say: such talented pilots are not often found. Despite a two-year hiatus in flying practice and severe injuries, he piloted the car without the slightest deviation. "I allowed him to fly on his own without" legal "carriages, immediately after the first check."

        Archive data from TsAMO and other sources show that less than 10% of prisoners of war released during the war were repressed, less than 15% of those released after the war. Moreover, the majority of the "repressed" deserved their fate. As a rule, these were the Vlasovites and other accomplices of the invaders.
        1. +1
          16 August 2016 09: 51
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Archive data from TsAMO and other sources show that less than 10% of prisoners of war released during the war were repressed, less than 15% of those released after the war. Moreover, the majority of the "repressed" deserved their fate. As a rule, these were the Vlasovites and other accomplices of the invaders.


          Alexander - You are just spreading the myth about the "fair" attitude towards former prisoners of war - you also take the military figure for 1944 - then the former prisoners had a chance to "atone with blood" in the penal battalion, which happened, after which they could get into their unit ...

          Give exceptional cases with pilot officers who were almost always released after a short check - experienced pilots were valuable.

          And after the war, the picture is completely different!
          Regarding ordinary soldiers, everything was much more complicated - was captured not injured? - means surrendered - the usual official version, there is no evidence of circumstances of capture.

          Most of the prisoners (except for some camps for senior officers) were forced to work for the Reich economy, in mines, in factories, and this was already required to be redeemed by labor (labor camps) for a period of 10 years!

          If we refer to the data of G.F.Krivosheev, he indicates "the following figures, based on the data of the NKVD (which should be checked): out of 1 soldiers who returned home from captivity, 836 people were convicted in connection with charges of cooperation with adversary and served a sentence in the GULAG system. "

          In the post-war period, the released officers were sent to the NKVD camps and spare parts of the Glavupraform of the Red Army for a more thorough check.

          After the war, ordinary soldiers and sergeants released from captivity, who did not serve in the German army or traitorous formations, were divided into two large groups by age - demobilized and non-mobilized ages.

          In 1945, after the Red Army soldiers of those ages who were subject to the order of demobilization were transferred from the army to the reserve, prisoners of war of ordinary and sergeant composition of the corresponding ages were also sent to their homes (perhaps these are draft years from 1890 to 1904 or until 1905 and the figure was not published and requires clarification).

          Prisoners of war of ordinary and sergeant composition of non-mobilized ages, in accordance with a special resolution of the State Defense Committee of August 18, 1945, were sent to working battalions for working in industry and restoring objects destroyed during the war (sawing) - these were the camps with the Gulag regime - convoys, barracks, meager food, bullying by the guard - and the term of this hard labor is 10 years!
          It was in such a camp that my grandfather "served" and this figure is also not voiced anywhere - it seems that there was no such shameful time - and not in prison and not at large, but in a real hard labor for a period of 10 years.
          Only after the death of the bloodsuckers of Stalin were they freed from slave labor.
          Grandfather was released in 1953 - having worked for 8 years at a logging near Arkhangelsk, and this is not a one-time case - this is the massive use of slave labor of his citizens who were captured and released after the war.

          Relatives of former prisoners were amazed in their rights - my father could not go to school, because my father was in captivity.
          "Your father is not involved in anything," they said to him, but did not accept.

          There is no need to invent myths - most of the Soviet prisoners of war, who were "released" from their German captivity after the war, were not released home - just most of them were sent to the north for 10 years - they "worked out" being captured and the "labor battalion" was no different from the GULAG camp.
          1. 0
            16 August 2016 10: 01
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            There is no need to invent myths - most of the Soviet prisoners of war, who were "released" from their German captivity after the war, were not released home - just most of them were sent to the north for 10 years - they "worked out" being captured and the "labor battalion" was no different from the GULAG camp.

            Again, the favorite words of the impudent and black LI. The numbers have long been known and they do not confirm your FALSE.
            The directive of the NKVD of the USSR of August 1, 1945 stated:

            "In testing and filtration camps for disabled registered disabled persons, patients with incurable ailments, pregnant women, women with young children and the elderly should be assigned to special groups, which should be promptly checked within 20 days. In the absence of materials on specific crimes, these persons should be sent to places of permanent residence "[ibid.]. On August 11, 1945, a new directive of the NKVD of the USSR was issued, which said: "To release from the testing and filtration camps all disabled people, sick with an incurable illness, the elderly, pregnant women and women with children - from the special contingent of 1 and 2 registration groups ... send them to the place of residence in compliance with the regime restrictions, issue them certificates for exchange at the place of residence for passports "[ibid.].

            On September 26, 1945, the provision of the directive of August 11, 1945 was also extended to the special contingent held in the camps and colonies of the Gulag [ibid.]. In November 1945, this directive was also extended to seriously ill and crippled ordinary policemen, Vlasovites and others who served in the enemy armies or traitorous formations, but did not participate in punitive expeditions and executions. They were sent from the PFL to their place of residence [ibid.].

            In January 1946, the OPFL of the NKVD of the USSR was liquidated, and the camps under its jurisdiction merged into the GULAG system. During 1946, 228 thousand repatriates were checked in the PFL. Of these, by January 1, 1947, they were transferred to a special settlement, transferred to the cadres of industry (in "workers' battalions") and sent to their place of residence, 199,1 thousand. The remaining 28.9 thousand repatriates continued to be checked (in addition to the PFL, some of them were and in the ITL). As of September 1, 1947, there were 4727 repatriates in the Gulag who were undergoing a state check [ibid.].

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            1. +1
              16 August 2016 10: 04
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              "In testing and filtration camps for disabled registered disabled persons, patients with incurable ailments, pregnant women, women with young children and the elderly should be assigned to special groups, which should be promptly checked within 20 days. In the absence of materials on specific crimes, these persons should be sent to places of permanent residence "[ibid.]. On August 11, 1945, a new directive of the NKVD of the USSR was issued, which said: "To release from the testing and filtration camps all disabled people, sick with an incurable illness, the elderly, pregnant women and women with children - from the special contingent of 1 and 2 registration groups ... send them to the place of residence in compliance with the regime restrictions, issue them certificates for exchange at the place of residence for passports "[ibid.].


              You do not distinguish civilian returnees from prisoners of war, Mr. bloodsucker?
              You will not be able to shut up the crimes of Stalin
              It was and now the remnants of thousands of "labor camps" and cemeteries remained in the north - go compare to the ground cemeteries - the commies' favorite entertainment!
              1. 0
                16 August 2016 19: 09
                You have a rare gift, lying impudently, blaming hysterically, but in fact, all your nonsense is based on rumors, gossip and a clear pro-Western interpretation of what was in reality.

                Remains of "thousands ... blah blah blah", but somehow I don't care at all.
                A criminal, a thief, a murderer, should be in prison or used in a camp, and not marzipans to eat.
                So do not even try to distort the nickname in any way or hurt me personally, to expose you in a very, very unsightly light, is not difficult.
              2. +3
                16 August 2016 19: 34
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                You do not distinguish civilian returnees from prisoners of war, Mr. bloodsucker?

                All sent to the North? Mine after captivity, staff, and a serious wound was sent to one of the mines of the Tula region, which at that time was Moscow, and the proud was generally called Stalinogorsk. Wow, what a terrible punishment. fellow Especially when you consider how much miners received in the Union.
                You better not think about Stalin’s crimes, but about your grandfather.
                Do you want to compare cemeteries, say with Babi Yar?
                1. +1
                  17 August 2016 15: 59
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  You better not think about Stalin’s crimes, but about your grandfather.
                  Do you want to compare cemeteries, say with Babi Yar?


                  Do not teach me what to think about - it's not your mind.
                  I feel sorry for your grandfather, his "granddaughters" are so derogatory to his memory. Moreover, he compares the cemeteries in size.
                  1. -1
                    17 August 2016 16: 03
                    Neither your unlucky grandfather nor you, an equally unlucky liar, are sorry.
            2. +1
              16 August 2016 10: 09
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              The Gulag [ibid.]. In November 1945, this directive was also extended to seriously ill and crippled ordinary policemen, Vlasovites and others who served in the enemy armies or traitorous formations, but did not participate in punitive expeditions and executions. They were sent from the PFL to their place of residence [ibid.].


              For you, the "especially gifted cattle" who called my grandfather "Vlasov" - I will explain, take a closer look - the special contingent was sent to labor battalions, which really meant 10 years of hard labor in the north and in camps with a regime like in the GULAG
              1. -2
                16 August 2016 19: 10
                I communicate with whom, with "especially gifted cattle", how did you introduce yourself?
                Thanks, I already understood that.
                Your grandfather, who got to the camp after a special check, committed a war crime, therefore, do not whine and do not howl, all according to the LAW.
                1. +1
                  17 August 2016 15: 54
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Your grandfather, who got to the camp after a special check, committed a war crime, therefore, do not whine and do not howl, all according to the LAW.


                  Well, it’s necessary: ​​MR. STALINIST - is everything according to the law?

                  Thanks also? That the grandfather who fought with the Germans was captured in battle thanks to the incompetent command! Koryachilsya in German hard labor for 4 years, and then bent over in Soviet hard labor for 7 years?
                  Oh, he called it a camp - it's not a camp "labor battalion", felling trees in the north with watchtowers, shepherd dogs - all according to the law, not the GULAG.
                  Yes, sometimes policemen received less than their own soldiers who were captured.
                  1. -1
                    17 August 2016 16: 01
                    According to law.
                    Give an article according to which your grandfather went to camp for 10 years.
        2. +1
          17 August 2016 16: 06
          Quote: Alexander Green
          We do not exclude that mistakes were made in relation to some prisoners, but this was rather an exception to the rule, and by no means a rule.


          And why do not exclude that it was a rule, and not an exception? And why are we? Are you several? Or are we Nicholas II by God's will ...?
  19. +1
    16 August 2016 10: 16
    A mockery sounds like "returned home" prisoners of war - will they return from the German penal servitude to be sentenced to 10 years of Soviet penal servitude? An excellent example of how you treat your soldiers.
    For the Soviet army, the soldier remained "cannon fodder" - "cattle" for frontal assaults in the style of Zhukov.
    Well, he was taken prisoner - a traitor to the Motherland and cattle for "re-education in labor camps - sorry -" battalions. "
    Only with the death of a bloody tyrant, did the torment of captured Soviet soldiers cease, but their families were still struck by their rights.
    Even I had to questionnaire until 1987 !!! point out that there were relatives in the occupied territories and in German captivity! - and this is 42 years after the war!
  20. +2
    16 August 2016 18: 51
    But specifically for Dimer Vladimer (1), the results of the verification of Soviet prisoners of war and civilians released after the war. By March 1, 1946, 1 prisoners of war were repatriated to the USSR (see the work of Pykhalov).

    The results of checking and filtering the returnees are as follows (as of March 1, 1946, when it was no longer necessary to send them to the penal battalions)

    Sent to the place of residence - 281 780 (18,31%); Drafted into the army - 659 (190%); Enrolled in the working battalions of NCOs - 42,82 (344%); It was transferred to the disposal of the NKVD - 448 22,37 (226%); It was located at collection points and was used in work at Soviet military units and institutions abroad - 127 (14.69%)

    This shows that the bulk of the liberated Soviet prisoners of war successfully passed the test. Of the prisoners of war released after the end of the war, only 14,69% were repressed. As a rule, these were the Vlasovites and other accomplices of the invaders

    But even those who were arrested by the NKVD, for the most part escaped with exile. To get to Kolyma, it was necessary to do something serious, to stain oneself with specific crimes in the service of the Nazis.
    1. -1
      16 August 2016 19: 13
      Quote: Alexander Green
      But even those who were arrested by the NKVD, for the most part escaped with exile. To get to Kolyma, it was necessary to do something serious, to stain oneself with specific crimes in the service of the Nazis.

      This is precisely what this Dimer Vladimera is hiding, chochically attributing some cruelty to everyone, and not exclusively to those who have violated the Law, who committed a crime in wartime, when they would have just set them up at the moat, and here, they just left to live, though behind the thorn.
      It turned out equally badly, those who suffered from criminals are dead, and these gave birth to those who are lying there without any shame on those who defeated Nazism.
      1. +1
        17 August 2016 15: 46
        Are you still a bloodsucker? Stalin was waiting for you.
        1. -1
          17 August 2016 16: 01
          I would be glad to meet a man of genius.
          But what awaits you is much worse.
          1. +1
            17 August 2016 16: 16
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            I would be glad to meet a man of genius.
            But what awaits you is much worse.


            Genius does not mean decency of a person - geeks are also brilliant.

            Everyone will be there - I will not say that I would like to speed up your meeting with the idol - live long, cook in your anger, pour out your bile - much is becoming clear from your nickname - it’s a pity for your grandchildren, they have such an unpleasant grandfather.

            And my grandchildren are waiting for me - I’ll go play with them in the evening and enjoy life :)
    2. +1
      17 August 2016 15: 39
      Quote: Alexander Green
      But specifically for Dimer Vladimer (1), the results of the verification of Soviet prisoners of war and civilians released after the war. By March 1, 1946, 1 prisoners of war were repatriated to the USSR (see the work of Pykhalov).


      Do you want me to be the grandson of the repressed, to take my word for the arrogant Stalinist? - which stands on the side of the executioners - to just take a word?

      Are you talking about this "historian"? "Igor Vasilievich Pykhalov (born October 30, 1965, Leningrad, USSR) - Russian publicist, author of books on the Stalin era and the activities of the NKVD of the USSR, creator of the Internet project" For Stalin! ", Author of the books" The Great Slandered War "...

      As Vladimir Solovyov said - we will never understand each other - you, bloodsucker and Pykhalov - protect the executioners, and I’m the grandson of the repressed, middle peasant relatives (not fists, but middle peasants — which were the majority) in the sons of the father and mother — whose land was taken away by the Soviet government - as usual, first the land to the peasants - and then all was taken ...

      Believe the FSB officers Stalinists and Communists-do not respect yourself.
      With the collapse of the union in the air squad, the FSB officer destroyed documents stating that civilian pilots were involved in military transport operations in Afghanistan. Left without supporting papers - the pilots of the squadron did not receive the status of participants in the war - and the due payments. This is how this bastard brotherhood relates to documents.
      1. -3
        17 August 2016 15: 47
        And we don't need your "understanding", the granddaughter of a war criminal.
        There are cadres such as grandfather in Kaspiysk, give me a military pension, give me a dig ... and he served you in the Caucasian Legion of the SS.
        And we, the grandchildren of the peasants, NOT REPRESSED by anyone with an excellent education, do not regret your lying cries.
        1. +1
          17 August 2016 16: 07
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          And we don't need your "understanding", the granddaughter of a war criminal.
          There are cadres such as grandfather in Kaspiysk, give me a military pension, give me a dig ... and he served you in the Caucasian Legion of the SS.
          And we, the grandchildren of the peasants, NOT REPRESSED by anyone with an excellent education, do not regret your lying cries.


          Yes, I also do not have affection for you vertuhaysky extortion
          1. +2
            18 August 2016 18: 56
            Dimer-Vladimir the First.
            Everything is clear with you - you are outraged, and moreover, you don’t want to understand everything objectively.
            But Colonel Alksnis is a deputy of the last convocation of the USSR Armed Forces, the son of the repressed, unlike you, has no evil either against the USSR, nor against socialism, nor against Stalin.
            1. +1
              22 August 2016 08: 39
              Choose expressions if you want discussions.
              We - it was an easy banter, which makes no sense to be offended - maybe by WE, did you mean a group of Stalinists?

              I served in the Soviet army and worked for the Soviet defense industry, so I have no complaints about the Soviet Union, who, apart from the fact that it fell apart.
              Now, thank God, you can choose how you live and what to do, I work a lot, pay taxes and considerable, and spend more on charity than a bloodsucker on pills for bile.
              I am also not happy with the new system - for example, why does a group of FSB officers in power teach everyone - DO NOT STEEP !, but they themselves live richer than the Arab sheikhs, pretending that they are so straightforward without money?

              I appreciate the truth and can’t stand the lie - if the bloodsucker falls to base insults - everything is clear with him.
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        3. +1
          22 August 2016 08: 53
          And we don't need your "understanding", the granddaughter of a war criminal.

          Your opinion is not interesting to me. There are fewer and fewer such flawed ones - your brother has written all of them as criminals and their relatives and scattered them around the camps - to build a "happy future" - the tyrant is dead and you are flogged like waste material
          And now you viciously gundosit like an old grandmother - there is no Stalin on you, you aren’t annoyed, you aren’t shot at - enemies are around! This is a well-known disease called psychiatric manic-depressive psychosis, complicated by the persecution mania.
      2. +1
        3 October 2016 12: 51
        Vladimir, I am also the grandson of someone who was captured in August-September 1941 and fled from him in Poland in February 1945. After checking SMERSH was sent to the active army. As part of the 3rd shock he took Berlin, was awarded the Medal "For Courage". In September 1945. demobilized and departed for the Kuban to his family, which considered him dead. He died working on his own site in 1985. There were different cases. Unfortunately, the subjective factor played a lot, the commanders of the units decided a lot, to whom the returning from captivity fell, a lot depended on them.
  21. +1
    30 September 2016 09: 14
    It is not clear what Avotr wanted to say in an article. Indeed, some kind of porridge. He does not understand, as a child, that checking is not a matter of two hours, or even two months, often. Explicitly recruited by the Germans, or deserters will not openly repent and admit, on the contrary, collecting nontrivial information about former prisoners or encircles is not a trivial task. Nevertheless, when everything was clear, nobody was forcibly kept there. My great-grandfather, who spent two years with the Germans behind a thorn, returned to duty and managed to fight in Berlin and Prague and no one pressed him longer than necessary.
  22. 0
    3 October 2016 12: 56
    1. The article put Plus because it is the work of Pauline.
    2. It is not clear to me why everyone is so angry with the author? I did not notice any excesses "neither left nor right" in the article. There are no conclusions, the author suggests that we do them.
    3. The fact that the article is not complete, without statistics, I agree. And the explanation, in my opinion, is simple - it’s just that Polina doesn’t have so much time to look for numbers in confirmation, the person works, one brings up and raises her daughter. The site provides many interesting links that I want to see. But I also do not have the time that it turns out I look. In my opinion, the theme of the Second World War is very close to Polina, she is trying to cover it from different sides. In the majority it turns out, sometimes not very. Anyway, Pauline, Thanks for the article.