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But why is there no delight from the modern education system? ..

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At the International Mathematics Olympiad in Hong Kong, a team of Russian schoolchildren was among the best teams, winning 6 medals, of which 4 are gold. At the international physics competition among schoolchildren in Zurich, Switzerland, the Russian team showed the best result in Europe, winning five awards, 4 of which is “gold”. At the same time, the representation of team members is the most extensive. In addition to the guys from Moscow and St. Petersburg, the teams included students from Perm, Rybinsk, Saransk, Kirov.


It would seem that, against the background of such impressive successes, there can not even be a shadow of doubt about the correctness of the reform of the education system in our country. Indeed, the guys are among the best in the world in the Olympic competitions in exact sciences - what criticism of the education system can we talk about? .. Doesn’t this fact prove that the Bologna system and the control and measurement materials of the unified state exam lead our younger generation to the educational prosperity?

But why is there no delight from the modern education system? ..


However, the Olympic successes of Russian schoolchildren in Hong Kong and Zurich are therefore causing a storm of positive emotions today that the educational environment in the country does not at all foreshadow such success. More precisely, success, perhaps, it foreshadows, but only in the extremely narrowed sector of educational training. It is almost impossible to extrapolate even a tenth of such success to a larger educational audience in our country today, and tomorrow, apparently, it may not be possible definitively. Talents, of course, did not translate, but young people often do not know where to put their talents - a person is left to himself, which is justified by the “freedom of choice”, but in reality - by his absence.

The main reason for such skepticism is that modern society does not know what state institutions (and the Ministry of Education and Science first of all) want to see the final “product” of education. The country's main law prohibits the Russian Federation from having an ideology, with the exception of ideas of unbridled cosmopolitanism and unlimited consumption. Against this background, it is announced that a modern student after passing through an “educational horn” should become necessarily a competitive specialist in the (attention!) International market. And what exactly is a “competitive specialist in the international market”, and how does this concept fit in a) with competitiveness in the domestic market, b) with the protection of Russian interests when interacting with the same competitors outside the country? - questions, questions ... And if you try to seriously grasp the demands made by education officials, then there are even more questions. Here is a statement of the essence of one of them: a Russian school graduate successfully passed the entrance exams to a foreign university and became his student; after his graduation he remained to work abroad and, accordingly, to pay taxes abroad and “as a person” to develop also abroad. From the point of view of the declared concept of the development of secondary education in our country, does all this mean that our school has generated an internationally competitive specialist? Apparently, yes ... After all, the young man found a job “on the international market”. And what, sorry, from this plus Russia? What is a plus for our economy, about the necessity of reorientation from oil to high-tech technologies of which everybody feels is lazy? What is the reason for the education system itself to prepare people who are pushed by the Ministry of Education and Science to the international market without specifying that it is possible to be successful in the international market, staying in Russia?

Just do not understand, please, these “surveys” as a call to completely close the country, not to “let in” and not “let out” anyone, forcing the educational system to be behind the “iron curtain”, cooking in its own juice. “Iron Curtains” is an unconditional brute force, but at the same time, officials from the education system should understand what real goals they have set. And the goals are that the interests of Russia are, as it were, in the background ... In the first roles, it is the satisfaction of the interests of the very competitive environment of the world market. The worst thing may be that the bureaucratic apparatus, which is responsible for all this, in fact, understands everything perfectly and works in this very direction. - In the direction that the very fact of national interests consciously (well, or unconsciously, which is unlikely) puts into the background, which the Russian schoolchild makes the masses, not ready to understand what the development system of the whole country can (could) be built on in the future .

Why is there a suspicion that the system is built in the direction of otbutbolivaniya interests of Russia consciously? They (suspicions) are due to the fact with which the officials from education are engaged in the reforming. Moreover, this reform has long demonstrated steps aimed at destroying any part of the Soviet educational system, be it a high level of general education, a continuity of generations, a respectful system to the educational environment as such, or the ideology of patriotism. Reforming this is similar to a virus that takes advantage of the fact that the patient does not want to take the medicine and hopes for immunity, which is clearly not coping.

Speaking with experts in the educational environment, you come to the conclusion that the majority seems to be convinced of the need for reform (reform, not degradation), but no one can really explain either what should happen in the end, or what, in fact, The “terrible” was in the Soviet system of education and training that had been built up for decades - the “terrible” so that it was necessary to destroy and equip the system.

If we take into account that the basic parameters of the education reform were determined and continue to be determined by those who had a hand in writing the basic law of the country, the situation, to put it mildly, causes concern. And even the well-known approach “wanted the best, but it turned out as always” does not work here. After all, what does “how better” mean? .. It was someone who suddenly ceased to be organized by the education system, which was able to educate a whole galaxy of brilliant scientists, including Nobel laureates, engineers, designers, eminent playwrights, philosophers, and filmmakers. And patriots, after all. None of them tried to make "competitive in the international arena." They, like everyone else, were taught above all to remain people, taught not only to receive, but to extract the necessary knowledge. - Receive and extract in order to be able to implement them in the chosen field: at the machine tool, at the helm or at the easel. And this is without the “institute” of tutors, who today are attracted almost from elementary school. Like, without tutors, not to pass the exam, and if you do not pass the exam, then life - g ... oh. Although in order not to pass the modern basic level, you must try very hard ...

In her program “Besogon”, Nikita Mikhalkov asks a similar question: who did the education system stop arranging, thanks to which the country destroyed by a terrible war, managed to launch the first artificial satellite into space after 12 years after the end of this war, and after 16 years - and the first man Yuri Gagarin.

I do not want to resort to conspiracy theories, but still suggests the version that the education system on the foundation of cosmopolitanism, elitism and total fecundity of pseudo-universities and pseudo-scientific community was put not spontaneously, but as an implementation of existing plans. In what circles did these plans appear? Yes, in the same circles, for which the very existence of a strong Russia with an educated population (with an educated one does not mean at all the presence of hundreds of thousands of certified “managers” who sell Chinese consumer goods on the market).

One can reflect on the topic of how many pros and cons in the Unified State Exam, which state educational standards are better and which ones are worse, which system of training modern teachers is worthy of respect, and which is not. It is possible ... That's just the question today should be different: what kind of “product” is the state ready to see at the top of the educational system? If this is all the same “world-competitive specialist”, for whom not the slightest interest is caused история, neither culture, nor the values ​​of a country called the Homeland, then with such an approach we no longer need any external enemies (or even “partners”) ... We will complete what began under the beautiful slogans of building democracy and a market economy.

Of course, it is gratifying to see the laying of new nuclear submarines, the creation of an attack fist in the south and south-west of the country, including Crimea, the release of the latest tanks, aircraft, air defense and missile defense systems, but only from the point of view of security and state interests - this activity is necessary, but not enough. At the time, the USSR also had cruisers, tanks and shock fists, but a virus came that infiltrated the educational environment as well, and tore apart a huge power with our own hands - are we ready to admit it today or not. We were ready to believe the drunken brawl in the Bialowieza Forest, the pseudo-referendum on the future of the USSR, fables on privatization, victory, who knows in the second round of elections in 1996, the thesis “we have no more enemies”, etc. - the list goes on. And this is taking into account the fact that they studied in Soviet schools ... It turns out that they also had a fatal vulnerability to the mentioned virus. Then what can we say about the modern approach to the education system, when it is not even a system, but a combination of sharpened profit-making by a narrow circle of people without a drop of interest in the reform being successful from the point of view of Russia's interests.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 1 August 2016 06: 07
    -1
    (- -) The exam is many, but (++) there is nothing to consider. (0).
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 1 August 2016 06: 32
      +24
      Everything is correct in the article, but again the author, Aleksey Volodin, has stepped on the "sore corn" with his article ... There will be no sense in this as long as Liberal Democrats decide everything in Russia, they do not need it, they are Westernizers, they look there and they just to please the West. For them, this opinion is an empty, meaningless sound!
      1. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 1 August 2016 14: 57
        +2
        But can not anyone take an interesting interview / publication? If we are so intensively stomping on the topic of the education system.
        IN already whose opinion just did not publish. Virtual associate professors, teachers without a full name .... No, Mikhalkov definitely, a person, but ....

        There are more interesting figures in the system. And they can be asked very good questions. And about the education of applicants, and about the goals, and about the tasks of training. Example? Easy.
        Moiseev Evgeny Ivanovich, Dean - Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Faculty of Computational Mathematics and Cybernetics (VMK) of Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov.
        Do not want MSU? Interview the rector in Baumanka.

        I want a really, cognitive. Adequate assessment of the system as a whole.
    2. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 1 August 2016 19: 50
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      (- -) The exam is many, but (++) there is nothing to consider. (0).
      I remember very well HOW we passed the exams in the Union. At the beginning of the year !!!! we were handed out tickets with questions. Some of the teachers were very responsible, therefore, for six months at the lessons and additional exercises dictated by the class, the class wrote down answers to ticket questions. Then, we all crammed it to the loss of a pulse.
      Doesn't anyone remember that?

      Now, take a history exam. Which is easier to pass? Tickets with known questions. Or damn exam?
      So they are going to introduce history into the required exams.
      And after that, everyone claims about the degradation of children.
      1. Alex
        Alex 1 August 2016 22: 51
        +6
        Quote: nadezhiva
        I remember very well HOW we passed the exams in the Union. At the beginning of the year !!!! we were handed out tickets with questions. Some of the teachers were very responsible, therefore, for six months at the lessons and additional exercises dictated by the class, the class wrote down answers to ticket questions. Then, we all crammed it to the loss of a pulse.
        If in your particular university such profanators are caught, then this does not mean that there were such in all. In any case, I have not encountered such a thing.

        Now, take a history exam. Which is easier to pass? Tickets with known questions. Or damn exam?
        Tests, unambiguously (if, of course, there are no errors in them). But the exam "eye-to-eye" - this is really the level of preparation. That is why I always call students to the blackboard and they give specific answers to specific questions. And in "sea battle" you don't need to play a big mind ...
        1. nadezhiva
          nadezhiva 1 August 2016 23: 26
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          Quote: Alex
          If in your particular university such profanators are caught, then this does not mean that there were such in all. In any case, I have not encountered such a thing.
          Alex, this is alles. If I comment on the post with the exam, then I'm definitely talking about school. What does the university have to do with it wink I am writing about Class in black and white. Class is at school. Group - at the university. So?

          Quote: Alex
          Tests, unambiguously (if, of course, there are no errors in them). But the eye-to-eye exam is really the level of preparation. That is why I always call students to the blackboard
          Alex, can you imagine WHAT is included in the USE on history? Or you never heard of it and never interested?

          You claim that you are a teacher. And after reading the post (with the mention of the word "class", comparing "exam-USE"), you can not understand what this is about? About school or university?
          Yeah ..... Beyond the Mind fool
          1. Alex
            Alex 2 August 2016 15: 13
            +1
            I apologize, but in the wake of emotions really confused the school with the university, but otherwise essentially, what is changing? We also knew the contents of examination tickets since February, and it is not a secret behind seven seals: the content of the questions is the name of the paragraphs in the textbook, the answers to them are the content of the paragraph.

            I am a teacher with 26 years of experience (including 3 at KSU named after T.G. Shevchenko), which is part of the final testing in chemistry and physics in Ukraine and Belarus I know very well (I am not familiar with the Russian Unified State Examination, but something tells me that the differences are minimal, but now I’ll definitely download and compare). Just as I know perfectly well what an exam is and what is its difference from the tests, call them what you want - USE in Russia, ZNO in Ukraine or CT in Belarus.
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 9 August 2016 12: 32
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              Alex, this, of course, is not my business, but despite the 26-year experience ...... I have no words.
              About the birds: do you know how to hand over the reading technique in an elementary school in the Russian Federation? It is not enough to read the text correctly and quickly. After reading, you need to answer a number of questions to assess the understanding of what you read. So, you could not pass the technique of reading the level of elementary school.
              Further, despite my cries, you did not even bother ... to inquire. WHAT is this bird? The current exam in history. Otherwise, you would not write nonsense here about the tests. Take a look at your leisure. Second part, questions 20-25. Take a look and try !!!!
              These are not tickets with known questions. Alas, these are not tests.
              Why such self-confidence in one’s all-knowingness? Without even putting your nose into the question, are you teaching us how to live? Shame on you as a teacher. You do not want to understand the essence of the topic of discussion, you do not want to be interested in what you are arguing about (without understanding either the ear or the snout).
              No words.
      2. rati
        rati 2 August 2016 04: 41
        0
        exams in the Union passed as expected to pass exams. And where did you learn another question.
  2. VP
    VP 1 August 2016 06: 13
    -24%
    The country's fundamental law prohibits the Russian Federation from having an ideology, with the exception of the ideas of unbridled cosmopolitanism and unlimited consumption.

    Is it written in the constitution? Did you read it for sure? smile
    The essence of the article is problems with the economy, but for some reason education is to blame.
    So it is seen how the author severely reprimands the rectors - why, you bastards, graduate specialists who are valued abroad? Come quickly release worse, but who can’t go anywhere and will remain here raising the economy.
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 1 August 2016 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: VP
      who will not be able to go anywhere and will remain here raising the economy.

      It's not about that. If strategic the goal of education is the success of the graduate in the global market, we will always be one step behind. Education should ask the so-called trends to which the so-called market, competitiveness is a natural consequence. If the Yankees were guided in education primarily by the current market, they would not become a technological leader. Plus, in conditions of fierce competition, in fact, a struggle without rules, squandering specialists is idiocy.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 1 August 2016 14: 00
        +5
        Quote: IvanIvanov

        It's not about that. If strategic the goal of education is the success of the graduate in the global market, we will always be one step behind. Education should ask the so-called trends to which the so-called market, competitiveness is a natural consequence. If the Yankees were guided in education primarily by the current market, they would not become a technological leader. Plus, in conditions of fierce competition, in fact, a struggle without rules, squandering specialists is idiocy.

        The situation is even worse. It turns out that we have to prepare specialists at our own expense, who will then work for other economies, without giving away even a part of what was invested in them. Moreover, they will pick the best. This is the path of degradation of the country without options. And it turns out that specialists should be trained not in our country, but in a stranger. Politics on the verge of idiocy.
        And in such a system, only a paid education system is really possible - if you want to leave, pay.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 1 August 2016 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: Cube123
          And the best will be taken

          In general, yes. Globalization through education, the state in order to satisfy the appetites of corporations and in the end will be an extra link. There will remain two subjects - the employee and the transnational. Who will protect the interests of the first is unclear if money means power in the hands of the second request The dream of a liberal.
        2. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 2 August 2016 19: 40
          0
          Quote: Cube123
          if you want to leave - pay

          I agree. Or study for free with the return to the state or on the so-called. free market for personal spare funds. And in general, how environmentally friendly is it to work for the benefit of the community, whose citizens (for example Soros) promise to “feast on the remains of the Russian Federation”, pretending that this is his private democratic opinion.
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 August 2016 06: 19
    +6
    But why is there no delight from the modern education system? ..
    that's why:
    1. My address
      My address 1 August 2016 07: 56
      +15
      Dear Andrew!

      Not having watched your video, I wrote a comment below, completely repeating the video. Absolutely agree with you. I believe that education, and not only, is commanded not by imbeciles, but by boyars who do not need intelligent OUR children, grandchildren.
      But what are the boyars' fools, so that only an educated mass can resist the onslaught of naglossaktsev, but not mozhor on gelendvagenah. And naglossaktsev capitalism and the boyars and they nafig not needed.
      hi
      1. dauria
        dauria 1 August 2016 08: 13
        +5
        Moreover, the Naglossakites do not need capitalism and boyars.


        Well, more precisely, they will our the boyars are not needed. Their own people still live and rule the country. Why are the Clintons not boyars?
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 1 August 2016 12: 01
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          Well, more precisely, they will not need our boyars. Their own people still live and rule the country. Why are the Clintons not boyars?

          They only need ours as long as the country sticks into the wheels and chops the branch on which they sit ... But they, i.e. "our boyars" have not yet finished thinking about this and see the future for themselves in pink, further along Zadornov.
  4. Knowing
    Knowing 1 August 2016 06: 20
    +13
    Well, how can I not quote their ex-ambassador to Russia McFaul: “We need to look for new countermeasures. The Kremlin has become more skilled in spreading its ideas and supporting friends, and we must too. We need to treat the spread of democratic ideas, first of all, as a project in the field of education and almost never as a military campaign. ”... So everything for them (who are behind the puddle) while Livanov and K is trying ....
  5. strelets
    strelets 1 August 2016 06: 24
    +9
    Children are degrading. But it suits officials. Who pays them?
    1. VP
      VP 1 August 2016 07: 15
      +8
      The degradation of children is not the merit of officials but of parents.
      Believe me, if a family pays more attention to a child than "well, what is it at your school, everything is fine, well then," and more often than once a month, then the child does not degrade.
      Accustomed to all their shoals on some abstract officials to blame
      1. matross
        matross 1 August 2016 16: 21
        +1
        Guys, I have such an IMHO that we are not degrading because of the Unified State Examination and not because of my parents, and not even Livanov is personally to blame. Someone said: a lot of information and a little knowledge. The brain’s functional in the extraction, storage and analysis of information dies. Nobody needs to know anything - you can just google it, forget it and google it again tomorrow. We are becoming just one of their smartphone apps. I have exaggerated, but I think the idea is clear. That is, the process is, by and large, objective. What can be opposed is the question.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 1 August 2016 16: 44
          +1
          It is necessary to clearly distinguish what information is and what knowledge is.
          Unsystematic ownership of information leads to an imbalance in the analysis and application of this information as knowledge. Therefore, an increase in the volume of incoming information exacerbates the complexity of its systematization and analysis.
          Knowledge is a totality of information that is subject to analysis and ready to be used in various aspects. Therefore, mastering the methods of organizing information does not cause difficulties in its analysis, but only creates a set of prerequisites for the analysis of events as close as possible to reality.
          The fact is that the world is built according to its own laws, and its perception by man is a process of cognition or approximation in analysis of the realities of reality. In addition, many methods of perception based on binary logic do not at all coincide with how interactions in the neutral environment are constructed to how a person perceives it.
          1. matross
            matross 1 August 2016 17: 38
            +1
            In support of my theory, I can say that having two higher educations, I understood what you wrote with great difficulty))) I probably already became very dumb under the influence of the available Internet)))
            1. sergey100174
              sergey100174 1 August 2016 18: 37
              0
              Either a quote or Gridasov came to this.
            2. Alex
              Alex 1 August 2016 23: 02
              +2
              Quote: matRoss
              In support of my theory, I can say that having two higher educations, I understood what you wrote with great difficulty))) I probably already became very dumb under the influence of the available Internet)))

              Everything is good, gridasov always writes like that, for asam is a product of the typing system.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 2 August 2016 10: 17
                -1
                Try to consider the whole variety of behavior of water, at least in part of its movement. It is obvious that WATER is programmed for its actions in any of these diverse cases. It is obvious that this is not the chaotic behavior of WATER. It always has a dimension and regularities, namely mathematical parameters. And it turns out all this variety of WATER behavior can be described mathematically. Gridasov never writes texts without meaning in them. BUT, I am ready to accept that I am learning to express my thoughts in texts.
            3. gridasov
              gridasov 2 August 2016 08: 44
              0
              But you still came to the conclusion that the written is not a set of words. This is primarily the content.
          2. sergey100174
            sergey100174 1 August 2016 18: 32
            0
            Entropy, chaos.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 2 August 2016 08: 42
              -1
              Then, it turns out that the life of a person and each of his particles is chaos regarding processes in the universe. Chaos is a term used as a screen to cover up your dementia. This is not specific to you. This is specifically for the people who apply it, and do not look for ways to justify capacious complex interactions.
      2. Alex
        Alex 1 August 2016 23: 00
        +5
        Quote: VP
        The degradation of children is not the merit of officials but of parents.

        And those, and others equally. If the system is aimed at stimulating the acquisition of EDUCATION, then any teacher will have the right to demand attention from parents for their children. And the percentage of those who do not succeed, believe me, will drop sharply. But if the system only PROVIDES EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, completely abstracting from the quality of the process of receiving and mastering (I often forget about this, and without this there can be no learning), then the parents are quite enough to simply control the "filling of educational time with activities."

        PS The highlighted words are not a figment of my imagination, but quotes from regulatory documents.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 1 August 2016 11: 10
      +5
      Most officials of the Ministry of Education sit on grants. Guess whose?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 1 August 2016 11: 37
        +1
        Most officials of the Ministry of Education sit on grants. Guess whose?


        And can you cite the facts? Or the source of OBS?
  6. dummy
    dummy 1 August 2016 06: 27
    +14
    Quote: VP
    Is it written in the constitution? Did you read it for sure?

    Article 13

    1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.

    2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
    Quote: VP
    The essence of the article is problems with the economy, but for some reason education is to blame.
    So it is seen how the author severely reprimands the rectors - why, you bastards, graduate specialists who are valued abroad? Come quickly release worse, but who can’t go anywhere and will remain here raising the economy.

    The author has never called for training specialists worse. The former Soviet training specialists are much better than the current ones, to return to that level. The trouble is, today's children do not love the homeland that feeds them, but the democracy that lies to them.
  7. erased
    erased 1 August 2016 06: 31
    +12
    Why is there no delight? There is. Delighted in the West - Russians turn into ruminant cattle lo. This is a reason for joy!
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 1 August 2016 11: 33
      0
      Quote: erased
      Why is there no delight? There is. Delighted in the West

      Here !!! I totally agree with you !!! good !!! ++++++++++++ !!! I did not read your koment ..., I wrote my own below ... but it almost completely repeats your koment repeat I apologize for the replay.
  8. My address
    My address 1 August 2016 06: 43
    +16
    Two of my grandchildren graduated from different schools. Most of the time in the eleventh grade they were trained to solve crossword puzzles - to pass the EGE. Indicators of the teacher depend on the results of the exam. The ability to think, to find interesting solutions is not necessary. And one of the teachers of my grandson said that 15% should go into production, the rest should go to the service sector, and that children who are thoughtful are bad for the service sector. belay .
    We arrived ...

    Education system angry aims to create the same mediocrity.
    ......................................................................
    PS I am convinced that there are no incapable children and the task of adults is to reveal their abilities. This I mean, the division of children into first grade for gymnasiums and second grade for schools is nonsense and a method of class division of society.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 August 2016 08: 22
      +5
      This is to say that dividing children into first grade for gymnasiums and second grade for schools is nonsense and a way of class division of society.


      You see the root, dear. Everything is directed to this in the Russian Federation, and not just education.
      To be honest, I do not quite understand what is the CARDINAL difference between the current educational model and the Soviet one. The main distinguishing feature of Soviet education, as we were told, was the preparation of a well-rounded specialist who could work in various fields and conditions. And also the principles of self-study. Moreover, IMHO, there was a serious overkill in the "comprehensiveness" of education. And if at school the study of various disciplines is fully justified by the fact that the student has not yet decided what he gravitates more towards, to the exact sciences, to technical specialties or to the humanities, then in technical secondary schools and universities there are such subjects as "history", "philosophy "," sociology ", to be honest, seriously strained the tech-oriented students, and also influenced their current academic performance. For example, when studying at 4-5 courses of the railway institute, I never had to use mathematical operations more complicated than an integral. And this despite the fact that I have a patent for an invention. Then why did they torment us for two and a half academic years with higher mathematics, if no matrices were needed for further study and work? I can say the same about the secondary school and this is happening NOW, we have to deal with situations when a student of a railway technical school is expelled due to arrears in the humanitarian disciplines. It is clear that an assistant driver (and even more so a technician - the level of a foreman of a repair shop) must be a comprehensively developed personality. But for this, everything had already been done at school. Why tear off precious watches from such objects as the construction of locomotives, repair of locomotives, auto brakes, etc.
      Also, in the new educational standards, more attention is paid to the independent work of TRAINERS, even the name itself already indicates the priority of independent mastery of knowledge. At the same time, the teaching staff has absolutely no idea how to organize such a large amount of independent work. As a result, this part of the work program is simply ignored, at least until they are forced to report for it, as for classroom activities (I add that it is not paid either).
      That is, I do not see a fundamental difference between the approach to education in Soviet times and now. And the main danger is not in the Unified State Exam, in which apart from the "first level" and "guessing" there is also an in-depth level. The main danger is that education is made a GOOD. That is, we should not LEARN, but SELL our services. Earn. And here, as you know, the one who pays dictates his requirements. For example, the deduction of a "merchant" leads to lost profits. And if you keep the "tail-makers", then other students also get infected with their indifference. And they stop learning. "What am I ... redhead?" As a result, I am really ashamed to be present at the defense of my graduation projects. What we produce is, in many ways, not specialists, but simply bearers of a crust with state symbols. They need to be re-taught at the enterprise. What is not the same as we did in the late 90s, early 2000s - "forget all sorts of torque wrenches and diagnostic systems, here's a sledgehammer and repair a diesel locomotive", but quite the opposite, start with the fact that a graduate of a railway technical school specializing in "diesel locomotives "does not know what a" piston "is.
    2. ARES623
      ARES623 1 August 2016 13: 31
      -2
      Quote: My address
      Most of the time in the eleventh grade they were trained to solve crosswords - to pass the exam.

      They forgot to look with age, as they themselves in the 10th grade decided examination tickets all year. Everything was the same. And there is no need to talk about the quality of education. You need to look at the number of grammatical errors in the comments, and claims to current schoolchildren will be reduced. It is necessary to compete at the international level, and questions on emigration should be asked more to parents. Mr. Volodin is pulling the situation in education under his ears. All the same, he knows who wanted what he thought. Trying to pull a hedgehog on an elephant ... His energy would be, yes, in a peaceful direction.
      1. sergey100174
        sergey100174 1 August 2016 18: 43
        0
        By literature too?
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 1 August 2016 06: 56
    +10
    I remember how they taught me, now I see how my daughter is taught ... I would put a monument to the one who cancels the USE !!!
    1. sergey100174
      sergey100174 1 August 2016 19: 09
      -1
      My son completed the 4th year of Ural Federal University, studying on a budget, receiving a scholarship. He acted on the exam. Is he a mutant, a product of the education system? If a person has something other than a chewing apparatus in his head, he will learn. If parents say to a person: uuuu USE, EEEEEEEE, the enemies of Russia came up with it, the antipodes, hand it over to the minimum, then the money drives!
      Marina Vitalievna, change the school for your daughter, invite a private teacher, what is in the way?
    2. sergey100174
      sergey100174 1 August 2016 19: 28
      -2
      Marina Vitalievna, how is your daughter taught?
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 1 August 2016 07: 01
    +1
    Maybe there are enough senseless reforms, and mediocre processors with purchased diplomas? And then African Papuans will soon be teaching our children and grandchildren, for the country is stupidly graying its cadres.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 1 August 2016 11: 46
      0
      In other words, leave everything as it is?
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 1 August 2016 12: 51
        +3
        Just ... if you are a parent, sow rational, good, eternal ... Everything is in your hands ...
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 1 August 2016 14: 46
          +4
          You know, I don’t answer for cons, everyone has the right to their opinion, here I can’t keep silent. FAMILY Makes FAMILY !!! You and only you decide how it will grow ...
          1. Alex
            Alex 2 August 2016 00: 33
            +3
            Quote: Masya Masya
            FAMILY Makes FAMILY !!! You and only you decide how it will grow ...

            Unfortunately, not only ...
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 1 August 2016 15: 16
          0
          All the best in a person is built on the foundation of love, kindness, respect. Whoever does not understand this builds the castles of his illusions on a foundation of sand. Therefore, many do not understand the algorithms of those stages at which a harmonious person is formed
  11. evil partisan
    evil partisan 1 August 2016 07: 16
    +1
    But why is there no delight from the modern education system? ..
    If someone is interested in the problems of education that were in the USSR in the 70s, then he will see that the newspapers were full of such headlines even then. always dissatisfied with education.
    1. KOH
      KOH 1 August 2016 07: 54
      +5
      The difference is that in the 70s, schoolchildren easily showed Africa on a map, they knew who Eugene Onegin wrote, the capital of France was correctly called, and now, a generation dumber, take our TV, Radio, literate unit speakers, leading to shame on the radio, you’ll walk on frequencies and turn it off so that this nonsense is not listening, they apparently do not hear themselves that they are ...
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 1 August 2016 20: 46
        0
        And now schoolchildren have answers to all questions with them in the form of a smartphone, where there is access to almost the entire database accumulated by mankind. They find the answer to any question - 2 seconds. And before, I had to memorize a small crumb of knowledge that is now available to a teenager at any time. The world has changed and education is changing with it, and there’s no getting away from it. request
        1. lshka
          lshka 3 August 2016 22: 12
          0
          To find the answer, you need to know where to look for it, and you need to know how to use the knowledge bases, but this is not taught now = (
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 1 August 2016 10: 31
      0
      Quote: wicked partisan
      But why is there no delight from the modern education system? ..
      If someone is interested in the problems of education that were in the USSR in the 70s, then he will see that the newspapers were full of such headlines even then. always dissatisfied with education.

      The essential difference is between "then" and "now": THEN they (newspaper and magazine publications) were positive!
    3. gg.na
      gg.na 1 August 2016 11: 43
      0
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      who were in the USSR in the 70s, he will see that the newspapers were full of such headlines even then. always dissatisfied with education.

      Yes, I remember how in the 70s they began quietly introducing all sorts of tests with punch cards. Such nonsense turned out that all the two-threesomes-threesomes suddenly became excellent students in the subject. We had two in the class who could not stand history and not only the history they didn’t study at all, but especially the story ..., so after how these punch cards are introduced then all of a sudden, these losers began to receive 4-5 laughing hey hey hey !!! But they didn’t increase their knowledge from this! Inflated were these 4s and 5s !!! After that, these test cards were eliminated by saying that it was an experimental program ... and that teacher quit and left for Poland. This is of course an example, only the one that I personally saw and went through it myself, how many there were in those years I will not say!
  12. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 1 August 2016 07: 20
    +4
    read all the comments and ... it became not just sad, but sad VERY! For almost 10 years we have been striving to cancel the transition of time from winter to summer, and after the cancellation of this mess only this year, some regions switched to astronomical time by belt! and all this shows HOW our officials relate both to public opinion and to science! yes to them there in the government deeply us to our aspirations and opinions! If it was and will continue to wail, that’s the whole ideology of our government! ALL FOR ELECTIONS! VACATION PARTY WE EAT RUSSIA!
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 August 2016 07: 31
    +2
    Education is a sore subject at all times. And in the 70s VERY MUCH depended on the PERSONALITY of the teacher, and not at all on the content of textbooks. If the teacher is an indifferent dummy, the children feel it "at once", and the discipline in the lesson and the comprehensibility of the program depend on this extremely. From my practice - we had a physics teacher - it was something. In the lesson, the most "inveterate" fulyugans were afraid to move, so as not to miss something. And the mathematician - it is not clear what thinking "confused", who shouted in the classroom tried to establish discipline. The problems of education are the problems of both "social lifts", and the general culture of society, and the prestige of the teaching profession. Knowledge is now available as NEVER. Almost any books and textbooks are available in one click. You can discuss the problem on the forum, find like-minded people even on the other side of the world.
    1. dauria
      dauria 1 August 2016 08: 32
      0
      And in the 70s, VERY MUCH depended on the PERSONALITY of the teacher, and not at all on the contents of the textbooks


      I agree completely. There was even a terrible fable about our "mathematician" Valentina Aleksandrovna Dolzhenko - "She worked in a juvenile colony before us." laughing
      The algebra homework numbers didn't fit on two lines of the diary. Sudden "self-directed" through the lesson.

      But only then there were many of these personalities. And the director of the school is the infantry captain of the Second World War.
    2. alstr
      alstr 1 August 2016 11: 28
      0
      In education, ALWAYS much depends on the teacher. If the teacher knows how to captivate students with his subject, then this is great. But, unfortunately, right now, then there were always few such teachers. If there is one in school 1, then this is wonderful.

      The only difference is that if there were no transmission technologies before (except for TV broadcasts, but everything was usually boring there. I watched, but my friends didn’t like) the most interesting pedagogical finds, now there are technological possibilities (Internet, films , interactive courses, etc.).
      In this regard, we have absolutely no rational use of the same competitions for the best teacher. Indeed, apart from a narrow circle of these best teachers, no one sees their finds.
      My suggestion is this:
      1. Announce a competition for the best teacher of the year for each subject of each current program for each class (there are not many of them, respectively) plus a separate competition for original developments.
      2. The condition of the competition is the creation of a one-year virtual / auxiliary training program. Moreover, in two versions - for teachers and for students. (Prize for winning a saso by yourself).
      Also, as a prize, to consolidate the reconstruction of the class of the winning teacher in the school from which he was nominated. (i.e., benefit not only to the teacher, but also to the school).
      The purpose of all this is to create a reference course for a program that could be used for a mass teacher: interactive things, a selection of films, experiments, tests, and methodological materials.
      Most importantly, money for all this is already constantly allocated under the school informatization program and for the competition itself.
      Plus periodically update and diversify them.

      All this will allow the average teacher to give material better. And then, all the same, children are interested in all sorts of things that do not come from the teacher. I remember very well how everyone watched with interest the same educational programs (since there were few of them and TVs were rare in schools). And now there are no problems with this.

      Those. everything must be done to interest children in their studies. In addition, it can help small schools, where the staff of teachers is small and the load on teachers is large.

      In addition, we have a problem with two extremes: there are either too many people at school or too few. In the second case, these are usually village schools (I wrote about them above). and the first case is large cities, where there are few schools in the new buildings and there are many children. Accordingly, and classes of 30-40 people (instead of 20 laid) and the flow of 6-7 classes.
      A large number of children in the classroom also does not contribute to raising the average level of education, as the teacher simply does not have time to physically work with each individually.
      1. Alex
        Alex 2 August 2016 00: 52
        +2
        Alexander, everything that you offer exists and has existed for a long time. The problem is not WHAT to do, but HOW and FOR WHAT. The competition for the Teacher of the Year is a complete proforma and its results have long been distributed, and the participants are simply extras. And only if a person is truly a creative teacher, combining, in addition, considerable fighting qualities, then he has chances to win in the very last stage. I knew one such thing: the Kiev history teacher A.D. Narovlyansky, who broke the entire pre-planned scheme. The second question is what it cost him.

        Also, as a prize, to consolidate the reconstruction of the class of the winning teacher in the school from which he was nominated. (i.e., benefit not only to the teacher, but also to the school).
        And this also applies. Effectiveness - zero, from the parent (less often - sponsor) wallet is more and faster. And most importantly, the school itself, and not at the prompting of the District, equips the class as it needs. Example: a physics classroom in a gymnasium in our Novogrudok. Two years ago, the state paid for: 5 computers, 5 specialized educational desks and the interactive board itself. Everything else - "look for sponsors and extrabudgetary funding." In short, over 70% of the funds came from outside. So much for the state's interest.

        classes on 30-40 people (instead of 20 laid) and classes on 6-7 classes.
        When I finished school (1977), there were about 2200 of us students. In grades 4-8 there were 50 people, in grades 9-10 it was already easier, 25-30. There were some parallels - up to the letter "I". And you know, this did not prevent anyone from studying, although I can imagine the burden on teachers.
  14. Sars
    Sars 1 August 2016 07: 57
    +3
    The school system in the Russian Federation is destroyed. Schoolchildren do not study, but train to pass the exam.
    My children have another one across the road from their school, and so children from both schools cross the road after school and get additional lessons for money at a nearby school ??? !!!

    Now about the beloved. The author writes that he is against "conspiracy", but he himself contradicts this.
    No, dear comrade. Volodin, it was in a conspiracy manner that all programs were replaced under the supervision of all the Soros. As Greff said: "We don't need literate people, we need a consumer."
  15. Tsoy
    Tsoy 1 August 2016 07: 59
    +1
    Education reform say? It's only the beginning...

    The government can reduce 40% of budget places in universities in 2017 from the level set for the current year, writes Gazeta.Ru with reference to the documents of the Ministry of Education and Science prepared by the department for a budget meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev held on July 29. The position of the Ministry of Education and Science was formulated in response to the budget cuts by the Ministry of Finance for the state programs "Development of Education" and "Development of Science and Technology" and was discussed at the budget meeting ...



    https://rns.online/economy/Pravitelstvo-planiruet-na-40-sokratit-byudzhetnie-mes
    ta-v-vuzah-v-2017-godu --- 2016-07-31 /? utm_source = rnews
  16. Stinger
    Stinger 1 August 2016 08: 20
    +2
    When Yeltsin proposed to Svyatoslav Fedorov to head the first government of Russia, Fedorov, having familiarized himself with its composition, refused and uttered a historical phrase:
    - "They know nothing and are not afraid of anything."
    Since then, nothing has changed. And they act according to the classics to the sweet babble about "reforms".
    "Intercept-Zalivatsky Archangel Statilatovich, Major. He rode into Foolov on a white horse, burned down the gymnasium and abolished science." ME Saltykov-Shchedrin "The History of a City"
  17. Professor
    Professor 1 August 2016 08: 30
    +4
    Please don’t understand this “research” as a call to completely close the country, not let anyone in or out, forcing the educational system to be behind the Iron Curtain, boiling in its own juice.

    No prohibitive measures can stop the brain drain. Scientists need to be cherished, and not only them, but their families. Otherwise they will go to the bourgeoisie. Especially since The Ministry of Education and Science proposed dismissing more than 10 thousand scientists by 2019
    1. dauria
      dauria 1 August 2016 13: 09
      0
      No prohibitive measures can stop the brain drain. Scientists need to be cherished, and not only them, but their families.


      Ah, professor ... We won the football players cherished, cherished, but what's the point? And then, if not the Nobel laureates leave, but simply strong guys, which in any class there are 2-3, the loss is no less for the country. And, perhaps, even a big one.
      In my opinion, under capitalism, we think so from birth to a penny and the expenditure of the treasury per person, and income from it to the treasury(probably the most difficult). Pay and fly. Private firms should pay for the education of the people they need themselves and then deal with them. Got a tower for the state account, work out or pay.
      1. Professor
        Professor 1 August 2016 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Ah, professor ... We won the football players cherished, cherished, but what's the point? And then, if not the Nobel laureates leave, but simply strong guys, which in any class there are 2-3, the loss is no less for the country. And, perhaps, even a big one.

        You do not equate Russian football with Russian science. Do not provide a decent life for your scientists and students of schools and universities, they will go where they will be happy. Be it China and Singapore or Israel and the United States.

        Quote: dauria
        In my opinion, under capitalism, we think so from birth to a penny and the expenditure of the treasury per person, and the income from it to the treasury. Pay and fly.

        Under capitalism, more money is allocated for human education than under socialism since the capitalist knows that every cent invested in education will return to him in dollars. For example, the bourgeoisie paid me a scholarship at the university and did not demand to work it out. While I was studying, I wrote them scientific articles and moved their science.
        Any graduate of a Russian school with a certain level of English can apply for free tuition plus a scholarship at prestigious bourgeois universities. How many do you think will return to Russia later? How many will marry Russians? How many will their children learn Russian?
        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 1 August 2016 14: 42
          -1
          Well, again you zaminusili, Olezhka! got these idiots! as soon as he told the truth, they’ll be beaten, but they can’t refute with argumentation! hi
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 1 August 2016 15: 01
            0
            I completely agree that gentlemen minus players are a category of people with a limited level of perception and especially a different opinion. One can disagree with a person, but one cannot refuse to recognize his special vision. Moreover, people who are strong and convinced of their "righteousness" should accept cardinally opposite views with great pleasure. Because this is the only way to stimulate individual self-development, like introspection and the possibility of affirming one's views or correcting them.
        2. Bramb
          Bramb 1 August 2016 15: 08
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          How many do you think will return to Russia later? How many will marry Russians? How many will their children learn Russian?

          Of my friends who left 5, three returned. Lecture now. One is seriously thinking of coming back.
          1. Professor
            Professor 1 August 2016 19: 37
            -2
            Quote: Bramb
            Of my friends who left 5, three returned. Lecture now. One is seriously thinking of coming back.

            Of my friends, no one returned. I constantly hear Russian speech at uni and high-tech among the bourgeois.

            Quote: Bramb
            It is not true.
            Here and there, as you wrote, but in the vast majority of countries with capitalism this is not.

            Pure truth.

            Quote: Bramb
            Secondly, what countries are you talking about?

            OECD

            Quote: Bramb
            Let's look at the states and their education: it's just squalor! But they pay money to talents from other countries. Just outbid minds.

            Nonsense. The best universities in the world are there. Great schools are there too.

            Quote: Bramb
            The system is different: the education is useless, but there are scientists and engineers.

            Did you study there? And I have both Soviet and Western education.
            1. Alex
              Alex 2 August 2016 01: 01
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Nonsense. The best universities in the world are there. Great schools are there too.
              Well, this is according to their rating.

              Did you study there?
              I didn’t, but I had the dubious pleasure of working there for four months. Their scientific method is complete squalor, for example, appendages to computers. I can tell a lot of things, but not in that format, the article is about OUR education.
              1. Professor
                Professor 2 August 2016 09: 08
                -2
                Quote: Alex
                Well, this is according to their rating.

                I did not know that Shanghai was already part of the USA.

                Quote: Alex
                I didn’t, but I had the dubious pleasure of working there for four months. Their scientific method is complete squalor, for example, appendages to computers. I can tell a lot of things, but not in that format, the article is about OUR education.

                Their scientific method is the largest number of Nobels, the largest number of scientific publications, the largest number of patents, the largest number of high-tech companies.
                1. Alex
                  Alex 2 August 2016 14: 31
                  +2
                  Oleg, I will not argue with you here and now. The facts you cited certainly have a place to be, but what is behind them, you obviously either do not know or do not want to talk about it. Then we will remain each with his own opinion based on PERSONAL experience.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 2 August 2016 14: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Alex
                    Oleg, I will not argue with you here and now. The facts you cited certainly have a place to be, but what is behind them, you obviously either do not know or do not want to talk about it. Then we will remain each with his own opinion based on PERSONAL experience.

                    hi
        3. Bramb
          Bramb 1 August 2016 15: 12
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Under capitalism, more money is allocated for human education than under socialism since the capitalist knows that every cent invested in education will return to him in dollars.

          It is not true.
          Here and there, as you wrote, but in the vast majority of countries with capitalism this is not.
          Secondly, what countries are you talking about? Let's look at the states and their education: it's just squalor! But they pay money to talents from other countries. Just outbid minds.
          The system is different: the education is useless, but there are scientists and engineers.
  18. alicante11
    alicante11 1 August 2016 08: 46
    -2
    The preparation of an "international competitor", as well as the transition to the "Bologna system", is caused by the fact that without this our specialists find themselves in unequal conditions on the international labor market. They are hired with pleasure, but for lower positions and pay, because the Soviet education system does not correspond to the Western one. They have no concept of "technician", "engineer". Just like our railway transport enterprises do not know what to do with the "bachelors" and "masters" of diesel locomotives. Thank God that while the main program is underway for a "specialty", that is, the same engineers - 5-pilots.
    There is such a problem for education officials, and, naturally, those who appoint these officials. Because their task is to integrate into the global economy. And for this you need, incl. and a unified approach to education. And even in spite of the fact that they make it clear to us that we will be accepted into the global economy only in the form of "feed", the Russian leadership is still trying by all means to impose itself on the "caste of the elite." Because they have no other choice, the capitalist economy cannot but strive for globalization. In a closed system, it stagnates, goes from crisis to crisis and, most likely, slides back to feudalism. Therefore, it is possible to expect a change in the attitude of the leadership of the Russian Federation in matters of integration, and, therefore, in the entire accompanying range of issues, from ideology to education and import substitution, only in the event of a change in the economic structure, which, at the moment, is impossible. Well, the oligarchs will not give up their money and power, and there is no force capable of taking from them.
    And the problem of "brain drain" is solved very simply. Force graduates to work after graduation from UZ for 5-10 years "according to distribution". Moreover, even businessmen do not fully pay all the costs of their training. So if you want to, you can easily solve this problem. And, wangyu, they will solve it, because it is much cheaper and easier to secure a graduate with the threat of a large cash payment than to establish high salaries and social guarantees.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 August 2016 14: 44
      0
      may they run away, can’t you stop if a smart guy or girl finds a lot of loopholes and ... fellow
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 1 August 2016 15: 19
        0
        may they run away, can’t you stop if a smart guy or girl finds a lot of loopholes and ..


        For example? Legally, the question is quite simple and does not involve any evasions. Such a situation with targeted training does not work only for those whom the employers themselves refuse.
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 1 August 2016 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: alicante11
      They are happy to take them, but to lower positions and salaries, because the Soviet educational system does not correspond to the western one.

      Not certainly in that way.
      One of my acquaintances, two weeks after entering the graduate school of the University of California, passed the exams two weeks later without preparation (he spent two weeks looking for a catch: it was so simple there for him) and they gave him a laboratory, and a couple of months later a department. He is an ordinary teething phystech.
      Another thing is that the education system in the physics and technology department is completely different than in other universities.
      Another friend of mine got the laboratory a year later, moreover, it was built specifically for him. He was an ordinary good man with us. Mendeleevsky. Normal education system.
      Both with Soviet education.
      Three other acquaintances at first also settled well, but did not like it, they returned. Now they are giving lectures.
    3. Alex
      Alex 2 August 2016 01: 05
      +2
      Quote: alicante11
      They are gladly hired, but for lower positions and pay, because the Soviet education system does not correspond to the Western one. They have no concept of "technician", "engineer".

      Sorry, but not for this reason at all. They just need, like A. Dumas, "scientific negroes", that is, people who do all the main work, which is then assigned by representatives of the "titular nation". My classmate from KSU is still sweating like this in the ever-memorable University of Utah.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 August 2016 08: 53
    +2
    By 2019, in Russia 10,3 thousand may fall under the reduction scientists due to lack of funds for the state program "Development of science and technology"
    "Yandex news"
    This is a delight that is not from modern education. Where do more than ten thousand people with academic education go? Still, it’s not at all okay in this direction.
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 August 2016 09: 17
    +3
    The question is right. What do we want to get on the way out? In the 70-80s, the Soviet government emphasized that the bulk of the population would own working professions. Young people aged 16-19, for the most part, already had a profession, but who is lucky to be in a university. And the skilled worker was not inferior to an engineer in terms of salary. Now, only young people are installing a university among young people. And they fly like butterflies on a light bulb, behind these empty diplomas. The reason is that there is still a conviction in society that it is not labor that determines success and prosperity, but the ability to attach oneself, to fall into the cage of any cool man. Questions of personal devotion are priority here. This is inherent in the administrative system in general and state authorities in particular.

    The state should clearly understand where we are going and why? What kind of person do we need today? What professions should he own? Sometimes it seems that there are only temporary workers around, with the task of grabbing something and dumping it in time before they take it.
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 1 August 2016 10: 07
    +1
    a virus came in, including in the educational environment, and tore apart a huge power with our own hands - are we ready to admit it today or not. We were ready to believe the drunken brawl in the Bialowieza Forest, the pseudo-referendum on the future of the USSR, fables on privatization, victory, who knows in the second round of elections in 1996, the thesis “we have no more enemies”, etc. - the list goes on. And this is taking into account the fact that they studied in Soviet schools ... It turns out that they also had a fatal vulnerability to the mentioned virus.
    From an injection with an awl in the ass - from someone who is with you, it would seem, in the same ranks! - no armor guarantee! And if it also sewed poisoned ...
  22. gridasov
    gridasov 1 August 2016 10: 49
    -1
    Not many people thought about this question, why almost all the most prominent scientists on their deathbed admitted that their knowledge of the essence of the world was only a small fraction of subjective opinion. Even fewer people give the answer that apparently the essence of this world is different from subjective assessments of the processes taking place in this world, which means that you first need to improve your perception of the world, and only then very quietly and modestly affirm your assertion that we see reality, not a product of one’s own illusions.
    For the first time, we came across the fact that we came into contact with an extraterrestrial source of information, which not only carries fundamentally new ideas about the occurring physical events, but most importantly they carry a teaching methodology that phenomena and processes can be considered differently than we did before since Therefore, the unambiguous conclusion within the framework of the topic under discussion is that it is necessary to look for young people who are able to see everything in the expanded aspects of the total perception. Many questions of our future become apparent, which will happen by our actions and our hands, but which are subordinated to a controlled process from outside. And to perceive this, it is necessary now to form a new worldview in the generation of a new generation
  23. gg.na
    gg.na 1 August 2016 11: 30
    +3
    I’m surely rejoicing at such an education smile wassat except that the fry and the Euro-men ... They just need all of Russia to be turned into a herd, etc. .. Because the Soros thing lives and thrives and no one can strangle it sad ...
  24. syndicalist
    syndicalist 1 August 2016 11: 48
    0
    Taken from the site of AIF. What else is there to discuss?
  25. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 1 August 2016 11: 59
    +2
    Indeed, one author’s ears stick out behind the writing of the RF Constitution and education reforms. The goal of modern education is to give society a "consumer", but if he suddenly turns out to be able to think, then "a specialist competitive on the world market." That is, the export of minds from Russia is clear where.
    The question is, why is this needed for the country? The answer is of course not necessary. And why? I think dear you all understand very well looking at our government and whom it represents. In 2017, 8000 scientific workers will be reduced, 1500 of them from the Kurchatov Institute. Russia does not need nuclear scientists? Do you think these scientists will go to the market to sell rags in the 90s? Of course not. They are expected in the USA and Europe, and in China too. No competent specialists in Russia are needed.
  26. akudr48
    akudr48 1 August 2016 12: 14
    +2
    I do not want to resort to conspiracy theories, but still the version suggests that the educational system was not spontaneously set up on the foundation of cosmopolitanism, elitism, and the total fertility of the pseudo-universities and the pseudoscientific community, but as the implementation of existing plans. In what circles did these plans appear?

    The author asked a question, but did not answer it, leaving readers in the dark regarding the circles in which the plans appeared. And also about officials (wreckers, as they would say earlier), supporting the policy of destroying education in the country, he also said nothing. Shy, I guess.

    And what would seem simpler. After all, there is a specialized ministry (Livanov), there is an adviser to the President on education (Fursenko), there is an Academy of Sciences, not alien to education (Forts), there is a whole network of HSE institutes that sets fashion trends in education, there is a Duma and a Federation Council ... All structures in the list of public services with addresses and surnames.
    But the author has no complaints about them. There are circles - but there are no people, that’s what phenomenon was revealed ...
    There are many things, but no education.

    That is, there is no conspiracy, although there are all the structures and people who carry out the conspiracy.

    And this can be, for a number of reasons.

    First, these free workers (effective managers) do not bear responsibility to the citizens of the country in the field of education. Therefore, they can do whatever they want on this basis, and at the state expense, not forgetting about their interests.

    The second, the most important official, a hired manager, does not ask anything at all from his subordinates about education. I forgot, probably, so many worries, I can’t get away from doping alone. And there is a mundial on the nose.

    But, thereby, it encourages the chosen course on total stupidity of the population, so that it is easier to manage, especially in connection with the transfer of money, property and assets by inheritance to their children, to reduce competition.

    Both sides are tied up in the situation, and the people, who continue to wait in vain for something good from the authorities regarding education, and the highest manager himself, who in fact does not interfere with his people to do negative things in the education system, while remaining very good for the people, are rated.

    So you can lull yourself for a long time and continue looking for "circles", without addresses and names, to blame for the educational disaster.

    The people will have to unleash this dangerous connection for the country. No one else. It would not be too late, that’s still the danger.
  27. vovan50
    vovan50 1 August 2016 12: 18
    +2
    We are building capitalism. And capitalists do not need comprehensively educated, developed personalities. They need concrete performers for production, so to speak appendages to machine tools. Lawyers who will protect their interests, economists who increase their profits, etc. There is a demand for such specialists and for this they are willing to pay. And from very smart ones there are some problems and extra expenses. Well, whoever pays for education, then he dances. As a result, everything again rests on the ideology of what we want to build and where we will go, where we want or where we will be sent.
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 1 August 2016 13: 35
      +2
      Quote: vovan50
      l appendages to the machines

      Which machines? We have 90% of all vacancies related to traders. And the majority of working personnel are powerless people, who in most cases are not officially satisfied with or are satisfied with the official salary of rubles 5.
  28. EvgNik
    EvgNik 1 August 2016 12: 44
    +2
    In the morning there was an article about paid education below this article (deleted, perhaps it was thought that 2 articles about education were too much). In general, I was preparing a comment for that article, it would turn out a little off topic. The article was written convincingly, I agree, paid education is needed, but...... They have already written that we need goods, services, to sell at Western prices, in extreme cases, to strive for this. And I can agree with this - on one condition: salaries, pensions should be the same as in the West. Priority of Russian goods, agricultural products. Everything western should go as an addition to the festive table, and nothing else. Independence in financial matters from Western countries (and not only). Independence from Western ideology. The constitution allows the spread of Western ideology in Russia. So you need to change the constitution. In general, one problem pulls another, and so on forever ...
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 August 2016 13: 01
      +1
      In the morning, an article about paid education was lower than this article (deleted, perhaps it was considered that 2 articles about education are too much).


      She's in the news.
  29. Bramb
    Bramb 1 August 2016 13: 51
    -4
    I remember the "good" Soviet education system: we did not have a teacher in a foreign language, computer science, astronomy and drawing in our school. There were textbooks - there were no teachers. At the same time, there were two parallel classes: there were many children.
    I decided to do self-study to prepare for admission to the university: the library had only 4 (four!) Books on chemistry.
    As I recall ... I can’t say anything good about Soviet education. I did not see anything good there !!!
    And now there are billions of times more opportunities, wider, more diverse: I don’t want to study!
    If someone does not see this, let him immediately go to scrub out the toilets.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 1 August 2016 14: 18
      0
      It is high time to set the bar higher and not look for people who see the obvious, but look for people who can make a reasonable forecast, like an analysis of what will happen next. And then the obvious will happen that you need to find people with new qualities of scientific vision of complex and complex issues.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 August 2016 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Bramb
      And now there are billions of times more opportunities, wider, more diverse: I don’t want to study!
      Well, the people are developing themselves. And then, having developed, he comes to the idea that there are much more opportunities for the realization of his skills over the hill, and he "falls".
  30. friend of animals
    friend of animals 1 August 2016 14: 25
    +1
    What could be simpler, create conditions for professionals at home. If people from their youth think about how to "dump" somewhere out of the country, then there is something wrong.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 1 August 2016 15: 22
      +1
      What could be simpler, create conditions for professionals at home. If people from their youth think about how to "dump" somewhere out of the country, then there is something wrong.


      Do you know the saying "well, where we are not"? They know all the pluses and minuses HERE, but they know only pluses about THERE. So where is it preferable to work?
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 1 August 2016 15: 39
        +1
        There are two advantages: high salaries and the necessary conditions for work.
        There are quite a few disadvantages: a different way of life, culture, living conditions - all this is worse. Even the one who remained from my acquaintances, except, sorry, "der *** om" does not call it. But a narrow social circle at work, his favorite job and a private home, with a private school for children - all this allows him to fence himself off from that world. This is the only way he can live. Otherwise I would have returned long ago, like the rest. Even for a lower salary. These are his words. Others have returned already.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 1 August 2016 16: 05
          0
          Quote: Bramb
          a different way of life, culture, living conditions - all this is worse
          Controversial statement. This can be said about Asian countries, but what kind of life and culture in the same States is that a typical modern Russian person does not accept it ?!
          Quote: Bramb
          "der *** om" does not call it
          Yeah, but what then to call widespread corruption, bureaucracy, dolbo *** zm and rudeness prevailing in our society ?!
          Quote: Bramb
          fenced off from that world. Only in this way can he live.
          Funny, honestly.
  31. Greenwood
    Greenwood 1 August 2016 16: 12
    +1
    My opinion: in fact, there is nothing wrong with preparing a specialist in demand on the international market. Another question is how you provide him with decent conditions for work and life in his country so that he does not bum around dormitories, rented apartments with a salary of 20-25 thousand and vague prospects. And of course, he looks at a foreign country where, if desired, (especially true for engineers and programmers of all stripes) you can earn money at your own house with a pool and two cars in a cozy suburb of some Seattle and look at your hometown with horseradish roads, where is the maximum that shines on him - a kopeck piece in Khrushchev, bought on a mortgage at predatory interest, and draws the appropriate conclusions. When there are conditions comparable with the same States or Europe, then the specialists will not be torn over the hill. Moreover, foreign specialists will begin to come to Russia for permanent residence.
  32. boris117
    boris117 1 August 2016 18: 15
    0
    Quote: VP
    Accustomed to all their shoals on some abstract officials to blame

    Quote: Bramb
    As I recall ... I can’t say anything good about Soviet education. I did not see anything good there !!!
    And now there are billions of times more opportunities, wider, more diverse: I don’t want to study!

    To the delight of many, and it seems to me including you, getting a diploma is actually "a billion" times easier than it was in Soviet times. (For example, in the 60s). But education is now a billion times more difficult than in the USSR. There is no such higher education. Get a bachelor's degree, no problem. But this is not a higher education. and the requirement for education is now "a billion" times easier. So, do not dream of higher education, it is virtually nonexistent now. Higher education was deliberately destroyed by the Ministry of Education. Why and how, it is perfectly stated in the article and in the program of S. Mikhalkov. The government must be changed decisively. Change the composition of the EP. And it is better not to miss this party at all in the elections. The anti-people party, the party of the destroyers of science, education, and entire technical industries.
  33. 1536
    1536 1 August 2016 18: 44
    +1
    In the West, for example in Italy, many universities and colleges are leaving the Bologna system, reintroducing a five-year education without bachelor's and master's degrees. We, as blinkered people, continue to "master" this system. The money has been consolidated and even though the grass does not grow! And the fact that in five or six years there will be no one to treat them and teach their grandchildren does not bother them. On the one hand, this is narrowness of thinking, and on the other, an elementary betrayal of the interests of the people and the country. Sucked to the trough and hawala.
    It is necessary to return the Soviet, but in fact the Russian education system to both secondary and higher schools. And to drive bloodsuckers from education, ignoramus and paper-scribblers-dissertants from all spheres of science and education!
    This approach may seem radical, but look at our army, where the President and the Minister of Defense have put in order literally in a matter of years, forcing NATO and the US to wake up from their dreams of world domination!
  34. antivirus
    antivirus 1 August 2016 19: 34
    0
    I do not want to resort to conspiracy theories, but still the version suggests that the educational system was not spontaneously set up on the foundation of cosmopolitanism, elitism, and the total fertility of the pseudo-universities and the pseudoscientific community, but as the implementation of existing plans. In what circles did these plans appear?
    Responsibility (not blame) lies with Potanin.
    under these x giants and billionaires ordered the company "Let's privatize".
    Allegedly, privatization will save the country (in 1992-99). Privatization will allow us to live in a civilized world.
    Then it was funny. We got out of the hole (with what?) We looked around and ... 10 years (90s) spent on creating "vertically integrated companies".
    In the 2000s they were stuffed with loot (quantity) ... and ..? It did not turn into a quality of life. including education.
    The process of transformation of consciousness, the mentality of the nation is in no way connected with the yachts and offshore of Cyprus (patriot !!! dumps loot not in Jersey and the Bahamas).
    Until 2005-07, we tried reforms "As simple as possible"
    Money should have solved everything.
    AND..?
    The last 10 years have gone under the tail. To whom?
    Is everything hopeless?
    It’s just that these graduates (from 2000 to 2020) gave us another country (the teacher drew in 2007-15) and it will be even more awesome, and the traditions created in t. Krupskaya, and from Makarenko to Gagarin (
    illiterate peasants) and before the reform Gorbachev decided to throw it away.
    Whether it will still be oh-oh-oh-oh. it's only the beginning...
    For thirty years we still have to flounder until people leave that would be something else (not Makarenko and how they studied under Y. Gagarin) to come up with something simple they can not think of. Their vision of the world ("like" Potanin) is different. From the West to look at Russia. Not much to see.
    Keywords for 1991–2030: Courchevel and Consulting.
    This generation will leave business and we will build aircraft carriers, and the education of Marya Ivanovna in the village of Perdushkino will raise to incredible heights (and upbringing), and accident-free riding on highways will begin,
    "Generation of Potanin" solves its own, in front of them, the tasks set by history. Not known to us by the pygmies.
    Born to crawl with a shovel can not work.
  35. Justme
    Justme 1 August 2016 20: 14
    +1
    One of the problems - And where to apply the acquired knowledge and have adequate professional growth?
    So I graduated from Baumanka and spent many decades on my self-education ..
    He worked at a research institute, design bureau ..
    In the space industry (Research Institute of Physical Measurements) - there are street sweeping, wild bone, backwardness ..
    Once I asked - "Guys, can we restore the technology of capacitive sensors? (This is a lost super-technology from the 80s). And in response ... - silence ... But later, as if by accident, my boss came up and started asking probing questions.In Russian speaking, he wanted to solve this problem with my brains - But! ... without me!
    There is a problem in this space research institute - on every empty place where, in fact, there are no problems and cannot be ..
    He worked, for example, in SKB Turbochargers.
    This office was then headed by a terrific grandfather-pervert.
    For very little money, we created an electro-assisted turbocharging system, .. tested, .. the customer - Kolomensky Machine-Building Plant is ready to take it .. But! .. Management has lowered the entire budget to Audi ..
    And so you can go on and on ...
    However, I now work in a private company, I enter the intellectual special forces to achieve superiority over the products of competitors and am more than satisfied ..
    1. valerei
      valerei 1 August 2016 22: 12
      +1
      I am an engineer by training and imagine what is Baumanka about. Getting there and ending it is already an achievement and real proof of the presence of brains. But so in Russia, then in the USSR, then again in Russia it was always, unfortunately.
      Quote: JustMe
      In the space industry (Research Institute of Physical Measurements) - there are street sweeping, wild bone, backwardness ..
      Once I asked - "Guys, can we restore the technology of capacitive sensors? (This is a lost super-technology from the 80s). And in response ... - silence ... But later, as if by accident, my boss came up and started asking probing questions.In Russian speaking, he wanted to solve this problem with my brains - But! ... without me!
      There is a problem in this space research institute - on every empty place where, in fact, there are no problems and cannot be ..
      He worked, for example, in SKB Turbochargers.
      This office was then headed by a terrific grandfather-pervert.
      For very little money, we created an electro-assisted turbocharging system, .. tested, .. the customer - Kolomensky Machine-Building Plant is ready to take it .. But! .. Management has lowered the entire budget to Audi ..
      And so you can go on and on ...
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 2 August 2016 11: 23
        -1
        It may look completely wild, but your grandfather did the right thing, because it can be said with full confidence and justification that all existing turbo-fuel superchargers have reached the limit of their improvement. And all the problems in its further development as a necessary device are that the most important physical effect is not used. It is simply ignored by everyone. In the calculations they are simply neglected. Therefore, this problem is not resolved within the walls of universities distinguished by their graduates, and it does not originate from the educational system. Understanding at what level and where such discoveries occur does not fit into universal knowledge.
  36. valerei
    valerei 1 August 2016 22: 06
    +1
    The topic, of course, is hot. But! Why does this site raise this issue? And not the first time! So what? What is the use of empty talk and comment? This is not the site of the Ministry of Education, where, by the way, no one asks the opinions of the Russian population. You look at what ugly, initially illiterate textbooks are published in large quantities, and what? But nothing! The Ministry of Education decisively does not give a damn about what is written there. The teacher chooses the textbook himself, and given the way students study at the institutes, you can imagine which textbook he will choose. Everything: the circle is closed. Something I began to get into polemics myself, but I wanted to say one thing: talking about education on this site is a stupid lesson.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 2 August 2016 11: 29
      -2
      Stupid - not stupid, but no one knows what the algorithm of the process of what will happen in the future as a result of the discussion and how this may affect each of the participants.
  37. antivirus
    antivirus 3 August 2016 14: 50
    0
    Medvedev IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NEXT REVOLUTION, AND FOR "OVERCOME - Putin"
    And no other way!
  38. gridasov
    gridasov 3 August 2016 22: 33
    -1
    Based on the resulting minus, it turns out that there are still humanoid creatures who do not heed the truths that “a person is not just mortal, but at any next moment”
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 3 August 2016 22: 50
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      Based on the resulting minus, it turns out that there are still humanoid creatures who do not heed the truths that “a person is not just mortal, but at any next moment”

      - Woland (from the Master and Margarita who) it sounded much more convincing.
      - IMHO, yes yes
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 4 August 2016 08: 44
        0
        Personally, I think persuasion is a form of intellectual violence. Therefore, I remind you that just as a monkey will never become a man, not all people will become real people. This can be compared to sand in which there are grains of sand of various minerals and material particles. So conviction, apart from what has been said, is a wasted effort in relation to those who will not accept it.