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My opinion about China

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In order of discussion, I want to express my opinion about China. I am primarily interested in the opinion of other participants. Information about China is very small. Collected bit by bit! I collected this information, as I often hear from my friends: the Chinese are great! And what they did, no one really can say in numbers. They are just a lot! I would be glad if I was corrected or reported interesting information. Perhaps I have inaccuracies. Please take the post as my personal opinion.


1. Evaluating the success of China without numbers is impossible. Looked at different sources of GDP per capita. GDP is lower than in Russia, and significantly. Concrete on TRADING ECONOMICS. I do not specifically cite the numbers, so that you yourself looked in and made sure. I give a link to the site, everything is very simple. There is a list of countries and for each country the same indicators are given: http://en.tradingeconomics.com/russia/indicators.

2. I watched several documentaries about China, and not ours. Yes, industry is growing, but the social sphere lags far behind industry. I will give examples: the film showed the CITY of socks. The whole city, the population of 300 000, near 100 enterprises, only produce socks! In this embodiment, the supply is simplified: only materials for the production of socks are brought to the city. Showed a factory for the production of socks. High-rise building (approximately 7-8). The first two floors of production, and above the hostel on the principle of "one room - one family." All this behind the fence, in the factory area! There is a common kitchen for everyone on the floor, each family has its own table with a room, it has a single-burner stove. Showed the room, about 20 m2. Table, chairs, wardrobe, TV, bed for parents and a bed for a child. Showed production: all machines - Chinese. A woman sits in front of each machine and manually checks the quality of the socks - puts them on the dummy leg! If there are no holes, put them on the conveyor belt and they go on the packaging.

3. China, about 20 years ago, limited the birth rate according to the “one family - one child” principle. As a result, the population began to rapidly age. The consequence is a shortage of labor. 20 years ago there were workers on the streets with “Looking for a Job” signs, now there are entrepreneurs with “Looking for ...” signs China is now one of the oldest countries in the world: about 17% of the population is older than 65 years. In Russia, about 13% of the population is older than 65 years. This year, they lifted birth control, but, as you understand, the effect will not come soon.

4. Everyone is talking about industrial growth in China. Yes, there is growth. But industrial growth is not a simple phenomenon. It is difficult to analyze without serious statistics. I will give an example. In the USSR, dozens of factories were built every year, at the same time many factories in the province worked in one shift. One of the leading economists, academician, suggested: why build new factories, let's make sure that all existing work in 2 shift. FAILED! It was before my eyes! They gathered the directors of the leading enterprises for the meeting and said: we need to increase the shift rate of equipment! The directors thought and said: you give us the opportunity to ONE CHANGE to work out normally! Without downtime, with a rhythmic supply of materials, on normal equipment, with normal technology, and not with its trimmed version, etc. We have one downtime in one shift now being 10-15% of the working time, and all this is paid by the worker due to the cost of production. And if we work in 2 shifts, then we will have to pay for just the second shift! In normal operation, WE WILL MAKE YOU IN ONE CHANGE SO MUCH that it will not be necessary to work in two shifts! Everyone listened and said: yes, we must first restore order in one shift!

The growth of industry due to the introduction of new facilities - EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. I was taught this at the institute! That is what is happening in China. They are building new plants! The whole world is developing along the path of increasing the labor productivity of existing enterprises: with the same number of people, more products are manufactured using more advanced equipment.

5. In China, government pensions are received only by government employees! The rest of the pension must be paid by the employer! Since the Communist Party rules, it can be assumed that the majority of civil servants are communists.

6. In China, the fixed exchange rate of the yuan: the course sets the Central Bank, and directs the Central Bank of the Communist Party. The course is greatly undervalued. With an undervalued yuan rate, Chinese goods abroad are even cheaper. All countries tell the Chinese that this is not fair, but THAT IT DOESN'T LIFE!

8. The number of members of the Communist Party. In Wikipedia, the following figures are given: 1956 year - 10 million, 2015 year - 86 million. It seems that everything is in order, an increase in 8 times. But! According to unofficial sources, over the past 10-15 years about 100 million people left the party! The party does not enjoy prestige in China: people believe that they are joining the party for a career! In one of the documentaries showed a girl, a teacher 25 years. She decided to join the party. To join the party, you have to show yourself in hard work. She was sent to the province, to the collective farm (there are no collective farms, but it is easier for me to tell it), to lead! She arrived there and the first thing she did was to make a list of LITERATURES that every peasant should read in order to effectively organize the work! The peasants looked at this list and said that they had no time to read during the day, because they work on the collective farm, and in the evening they have a lot of work at home on the farm. Then the insistent Chinese girl said that she would gather peasants on a day off and would read this literature to them herself! So here!

9. There are many videos about China on YouTube. Type in the search engine "our in China." First, put a glass of water nearby: if you feel sick, you can relieve vomiting!

For now. I would like to continue. I want to see the reaction of the public. Maybe I cast tomatoes.
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  1. Abbra
    Abbra 30 July 2016 12: 23
    +14
    We are waiting for further research ... Although, it would be better for the author himself to go to China, and not fumble on the Internet. I am looking forward to "My opinion on Honuduras", "My opinion on New Zealand", "My doubts about Obama" and "My thoughts on my opinions" ... wassat
    1. Gladius
      Gladius 30 July 2016 12: 35
      +26
      So if China's GDP per capita is less than in Russia, then the number of these souls in China and in Russia must also be taken into account. winked .
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 30 July 2016 13: 00
        +18
        [quote] GDP per capita. GDP is less than in Russia, and significantly / quote]

        I believe that the key word here is "..for soul ...". The total for the country (taking into account the expenses not for the population) is not in our favor.
        Now, if we equalize the incomes of the population .... it’s even scary to imagine ..., but as the hero of the movie "One of our own among strangers, a stranger among our own" said, "This is necessary for one, one, and not everyone understands. This is the border. ... "
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 31 July 2016 16: 57
          +2
          Per capita gross domestic product means production efficiency.

          The standard of living depends not only on the gross domestic product per capita, but also on the distribution system of material values. What we call capitalism or socialism.

          Under capitalism, the enrichment of the few at the expense of the impoverishment of the majority. Due to the morally justified distribution of wealth. "Master-master".

          Under socialism, another system of distribution of material goods. From the point of view of justice, it is more perfect. Since the basic guarantees of wealth are given by the state in the form of social obligations.
        2. bogdan4ik
          bogdan4ik 1 August 2016 19: 11
          -1
          You don't cut anything at all in the economy. The country's economy is needed so that EVERYONE in the country lives well and the standard of living improves all the time. If in China, with its "economy", the standard of living of the average Chinese is lower than in Russia, then the economy in China is getting worse than in Russia. About social services in the article it is written - 90% of the population does not receive pensions. In China, corruption has already surpassed the corruption in the United States, shooting absolutely does not help to prevent the withdrawal of capital abroad. China is now experiencing what Russia experienced in the 90s. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 13: 02
        0
        I won’t say anything about GDP, but the average salary there is bolshe, cement in Russia ...
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 30 July 2016 16: 23
          +8
          Quote: Karlovar
          I won’t say anything about GDP, but the average salary there is bolshe, cement in Russia ...

          Where did this information come from? And whose salaries would be desirable for more details.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 18: 55
            0
            A friend’s son got an office plankton there, a middle hand handler, with bonuses, bonuses crashes about 2500 dallars per month ... 150 dallars per month goes to visit ... An old Russian restaurant opened there on the outskirts of Sanhai, he made races for Russian-speaking visitors, in the real Russian with a gulkin nose, the Chinese in the hall hammer to the eyeballs ...
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 31 July 2016 10: 07
              0
              Quote: Karlovar
              . An old familiar Russian restaurant was opened there on the outskirts of Sanhai, made races for Russian-speaking visitors, in the real world of Russians with a gulkin nose, the Chinese in the hall are hammered to the eyeballs ...

              About 6-7 years ago, a familiar entrepreneur from China dumped, trying to organize what you described above. I don’t remember exactly, either a cafe or a restaurant. So the Chinese regulatory authorities, (probably the Chinese competitors) told him verbatim. Leave for Russia and build your business there. He is a serious man, now lives in Irkutsk, he lied, so I lied.
              So not everything is as smooth as on paper.
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 03
                -3
                A Chinese restaurant has been opened to the Chinese, this is the same thing, that a Chinese restaurant has been opened to the Russian ... The sure way to failure is going to go broke!
                1. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 31 July 2016 11: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  A Chinese restaurant has been opened to the Chinese, this is the same thing, that a Chinese restaurant has been opened to the Russian ... The sure way to failure is going to go broke!

                  Who told you that he discovered there, Chinese cuisine ?????
        2. nils
          nils 30 July 2016 16: 31
          +18
          Quote: Karlovar
          I won’t tell about GDP ...


          And I will say.
          There is GDP in Russia, but not in China.
          They have Xi Jinping.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 30 July 2016 17: 56
            +6
            In Russia, there is GDP

            Putin does not give up
            St. Petersburg. July 29. INTERFAX NORTH-WEST - A memorial plaque to Finnish Marshal Karl Mannerheim was washed in St. Petersburg a month after unknown persons doused it with red paint.

            As the Interfax correspondent reported on Friday, the plaque on Zakharyevskaya Street hangs in its original form. Who and when laundered it is unknown. Paint traces remained only on the wall of the building.

            I assumed something like this - the little board for the Nazi assistant in the blockade and the murder of Leningraders will not be removed: "nothing, they will get used to it and calm down."

            http://www.interfax-russia.ru/NorthWest/news.asp?id=749298&sec=1671
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 19: 09
            +5
            Steel and cement production in China, Bolsa, cement in the rest of the world combined ... one and a half times! And steel and cement mainly go to capital construction, infrastructure (factories, stadiums, swimming pools, trading platforms, living houses, chips, hospitals, universities, roads and green roads, bridges, tunnels, sea and air ports, metro and etc.) ... Now try to introduce the scale of construction in China! China's shipbuilding industry is a world leader in the industry ... They have the longest set of high-speed green roads in the world. By the way, they build trains to them. They have the largest car market in the world, every 15-17 times the Russian bolshe ... This is offhand. ..
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 30 July 2016 20: 38
              0
              . cement in China, bols ...
              Uncle, say: "the elephant sucked the nipple." smile
              1. edge
                edge 31 July 2016 09: 23
                -2
                at his translation from Geyropeyskogo-look at the flag
                1. Koshak
                  Koshak 31 July 2016 10: 37
                  0
                  Quote: hert
                  at his translation from Geyropeyskogo-look at the flag

                  Why is it a translation with a Chinese accent. In chinatown in geyrop lives, or what?
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 31 July 2016 17: 02
                0
                avva2012

                Karlovar, writes using transliteration and probably from a smartphone. All this makes text adjustment difficult.

                So, do not judge strictly. Take it as it is.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 31 July 2016 17: 15
                  +1
                  Auto RU.

                  You're right. The Chinese did not create a high standard of living among the population.

                  The living standards of the population depend only on the balance between income and the availability of free time. Differently. If you have time and you can use it despite the need to work.

                  How to create it? Under the USSR, for example, even in the presence of high social obligations fulfilled by the state, an ideology worked that evened out the needs. Under capitalism, everyone tries to earn money for the future with the hope that life will improve. Carrot in front of a donkey.

                  Now about China from my point of view.

                  There is a concept - a national character. Formed by external conditions.

                  So, the national character of the Chinese is very complex. It cannot be unambiguously defined as good or bad. And you can judge him in addition to reading articles about the Chinese, so also about the behavior of the Chinese on highways.

                  The bulk of the Chinese are selfish. They are indifferent to everything that does not concern them personally.
            2. vlad-58
              vlad-58 31 July 2016 07: 28
              0
              Quote: Karlovar
              Steel and cement production in China, Bolsa, cement in the rest of the world combined ... one and a half times! And steel and cement mainly go to capital construction, infrastructure (factories-fab
            3. edge
              edge 31 July 2016 09: 21
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              Quote: Karlovar
              Steel and cement production in China Bolsa, cement in the rest of the world combined

              I remember when MAO they overtook the United States for the production of steel, putting a stove in each yard and ...
            4. Sirocco
              Sirocco 31 July 2016 10: 16
              +1
              Quote: Karlovar
              Now try to introduce the scale of construction in China!

              Do not tell me how many empty cities in China?
              And this is not an isolated example.
              Quote: Karlovar
              Steel and cement production in China, Bolsa, cement in the rest of the world combined ... one and a half times!

              And with us, and with us, and with us, ballet, rockets and tanks lol

              What do you mean by these examples to say?
              What China does not how much the crisis? Do not forget about the causal relationship. We will look at China in 10 - 15 years. Then we will see who and where will explode, who is up, who is down. Time will judge.
              1. Above_name
                Above_name 31 July 2016 20: 25
                0
                Taki alexandr44 August 8, 2015 https://cont.ws/post/108686 suggests, in particular:


                ..1. China builds ghost cities.

                http://apparat.cc/world/chinese-ghost-towns/

                Quantity - more than 20. They have been built for a long time, and construction continues. The estimated population is up to half a million in each. The real population is from one to thirty, forty thousand. All communications are ready, traffic lights are on ... ALL cities far from the coast, on the plateau...

                Official explanation: None. Semi-official explanation - I did not find anything that would make sense to quote.

                My guess: the second stage of shelter for the population. When the tsunami breaks down, each of these cities will become a five millionth city, and the celestial kingdom will save a significant part of its people. Working part. There are underground shelters and tunnels for the army; elite shelters are not so clearly located ...
            5. sergo42
              sergo42 1 August 2016 00: 37
              0
              I don’t know how much steel is produced in China, but I know that the quality of this steel is sooo bad.
          3. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 30 July 2016 21: 00
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            Quote: nils
            Quote: Karlovar
            I won’t tell about GDP ...


            And I will say.
            There is GDP in Russia, but not in China.
            They have Xi Jinping.

            Of course it's cool, but ... "They can't understand it right away. You try to respect them a little bit, brother." Difficult. Churki - it is understandable kind, family. And Chinis is pure yuan. What concepts will you take from him?
            Well, so far, mutual understanding is so ... We are eternal, unlike their unfortunate ones, who is behind Xi Jinping?
        3. woron333444
          woron333444 30 July 2016 21: 28
          +1
          there a normal salary is considered, for our money, 7 thousand rubles, but you need to work for them for 12 hours, namely work
          1. Pavel bezhetsk
            Pavel bezhetsk 31 July 2016 13: 01
            0
            You have information 10 years ago. Now in China, workers have salaries of more than 300 American rubles, and in large cities working for more than 8 hours is prohibited by the party (people are obliged to go somewhere in the evening (cinema or cafe, etc.) to spend money). So they are struggling with a slowdown in economic growth and stimulate domestic demand.
        4. edge
          edge 31 July 2016 09: 16
          +4
          Quote: Karlovar
          I won’t say anything about GDP, but the average salary there is bolshe, cement in Russia ...

          Dear, and you work as they are-12h. per day and your salary will be higher, refuse to leave and still rise .... in China there is simply an overabundance of a slave of strength, whose labor is cheap and there would not be an industrial surge, and the West would not transfer its harmful production there
        5. edge
          edge 31 July 2016 09: 18
          -1
          Quote: Karlovar
          I won’t say anything about GDP, but the average salary there is bolshe, cement in Russia ...

          yeah, and from such high salaries, they scatter in droves around the world ...... including Russia in beggarly
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 30 July 2016 13: 13
        +50
        Well, the question is what? The source of power of China and at the same time its weakness is one and a half lard population. Even if a billion people engaged in production and cx is a huge power. Only to feed and provide such a population requires a huge industry. At the same time, the United States has the same GDP, with a much smaller share of industry and cx. Finance, software and stock market control give mattresses as many as thousands of factories for the Chinese. But for this you need to be at the top of the pyramid. request
        Naturally, the average standard of living in the PRC is worse than ours - there is always not enough for everyone. There is a stratification in terms of living standards. The Communist Party, of course, is no longer a Communist Party, it is the upper class of society. Well, practically nobles. Corruption is continuous, but it is traditional - it has always been that way. From time to time, a showdown and a division of property take place among the elite, which ends with mass executions of "corrupt officials". Naturally, not for corruption, but for losing. The population is huge and therefore the laws are tough - a bunch of deadly articles. They do not need to take special care of the population.
        The yuan, of course, is underestimated ungodly, from which all countries cry. By the way, I have an opinion that it was the Chinese who suggested Putin and Nabiulina the idea to bring down the ruble 2 times. At least it was evident from an interview that for the Chinese, the devaluation of the ruble was not a surprise, as for Lukashenko, for example.
        What else is there. Well, one and a half billion pensions should be paid - you need to have twice as powerful as GDP. Without pensions - an aging population does not bother them much. Factories are ineffective mainly, but there are a lot of them. Ecology is bad, because they saved on wastewater treatment plants. Over Beijing constantly could. Right now, the Chinese have begun on an excursion to come to Vladivostok and are amazed at the clean air there. By the way, in St. Petersburg, the Chinese also told me that our air is clean. In the second metropolis of the country, where there are a lot of industrial enterprises, for them the air is perfectly clean!
        Of course, there is something to respect the Chinese. Yesterday they were considered as a semi-colony, and today it is almost a superpower. So far, their growth is quantitative - due to the huge population and the construction of new enterprises, but there is also the beginning of qualitative growth. In principle, comparing them with us is stupid. The only country with which China makes sense to compare is India, with about the same population and level of development. And her PRC is winning in all respects for now. Something like this. hi
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 30 July 2016 16: 14
          +27
          Quote: g1v2
          Well, the question is what? The source of power of China and at the same time its weakness is one and a half lard population.
          wassat As well, sat on the pot and fell? Maybe someone pushed? (In Russian, it sounds somewhat different, sorry)

          The first census in China, carried out in 1935, designated the figure of 600 million people, at that time the population of the RSFSR was about 000 million people ... Today, the population of China has grown by 000 and a half times, and Russia? recourse 47% off?
          I wonder how is it in China about the useful area for living? Not taking into account the mountainous terrain with stones and gullies, but with such as in our Siberia, the Central Non-Black Earth Region? This I mean that any "compact" placement of many people is fraught with. And not only in China. And industrial smog, and dust, and an increasing amount of waste ... Have you personally been to cities such as Apatity, Nickel? crying There is something to compare ...
          The author gave us different facts (thanks to him for the time spent) so that we simply compare the situation and think about why we are dying in spite of all the maternal capital, and the Chinese population is growing, despite the restrictive ban that has been in force until recently.
          I’m completely on the drum, how low the yuan is, which in October (in my opinion) will be included in the list of reserve currencies and how much the ruble is worth in dollars, the price of which depends on the decision of the Central Bank wassat The main thing is that our rubles should be earned by everyone, and not distributed by special conditions called a position, shareholder, just a breadwinner from the treasury ...
          And finally, our society, which dreamed of building communism, knew that at retirement age it would live without wandering through the garbage dumps and without begging for help on the porch. Developing progress, we first of all cared about our own security among the NATO, CENTO, SEATO and other countries that "love" us. And the word "Israel" in our politics was perceived not as friendly as it is now, although "Bulgaria" was still associated with the address "Brothers!"
          And all that was necessary was to stop managing the state in old age. To learn (re-read) the covenants of people under which Russia achieved something. Automate production, reduce working hours, produce more agricultural products, and most importantly, process it efficiently and be able to save it. Education was not worth touching, it was not necessary to feed the scum who ruined our morality and existence itself, did not stand on the old rake of capitalism ...
          And it would be simple for us, in the vast expanses of the Motherland, where there are many forests, fields and rivers (clean air and minerals), their own Russian HAPPINESS good
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 30 July 2016 18: 21
            +14
            Quote: yuriy55
            And the word "Israel" in our politics was perceived not as friendly as it is now

            Hello Yura! hi Already wrote today on another thread about this "friendliness".
            The Russian government, in principle, decided to pay labor pensions to emigrants who left Israel from Russia before 1993. Yesterday, Russian ambassador Pyotr Stegny officially announced this to the absorption minister, Sofa Landver.

            At the same time, Medvedev answered the question of Crimean pensioners -
            “... indexation of pensions is impossible ... there is no money, but you hold on. I wish you health and good mood. ”

            Uncle’s wife, he’s up to ..... crying
        2. vlad007
          30 July 2016 17: 34
          +4
          Thanks, very interesting! I myself do not really like the article, but first of all I wanted to try to get sources of information.
        3. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 30 July 2016 19: 04
          +2
          I don’t know how about GDP, but when in the early 90s shuttles went to China - so there were porters at the train station looking for work - a man for 1 (one!) yuan a day dragged you a suitcase all day ... now. .. the standard of living has grown and the rates are completely different, and especially no one is at the station and is not looking for a day's work ...
        4. Karlovar
          Karlovar 30 July 2016 19: 36
          +2
          In the 70s in Japan there was the very best, smog, dusilovo ... But now they’ll be very cheeky! As the comrade from Israel put it, China is now in a transitional period from developing to developed economy ... And about pensions in Russia : about 20 years ago, I clearly understood that my retirement uncle from the fund would pocket my pockets, and by the age of 65 I’ll show a damn thing if the doctors didn’t kill them before, or if I won’t die from burning drugs ... Arabs made great gains in that thanks to a competent demographic policy laid down by the prophet Muhammad, pluralism, mandatory fulfillment of the suprude duty .... Germanic tribes ousted the Slavic Slavs from Elba’s tribute mainly for the stratum of demographic superiority. And corruption in the People's Republic of China is child-friendly compared to the USA (lobbying with them called) ... And the volume of Chinese corruption as a percentage of GDP is much higher, in Russia (in the Russian Federation the volume of corruption is comparable to the size of the state budget) ... Well, the strongest stratification of the community is in the U.S.A. And the bombs eat in Switzerland ... .
        5. edge
          edge 31 July 2016 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: g1v2
          The source of power of China and at the same time its weakness is one and a half lard population. Even if a billion people engaged in production and cx is a huge power. Only to feed and provide such a population requires a huge industry. At the same time, the United States has the same GDP, with a much smaller share of industry and cx. Finance, software and stock market control give mattresses as many as thousands of factories for the Chinese. But for this you need to be at the top of the pyramid.

          right there, the Chinas are aiming to get to the top of the financial pyramid, and they are friends with the Russians only because these unpredictable ones can destroy all the pyramids and then you can build your kingdom on the remains
      4. Amurets
        Amurets 30 July 2016 13: 52
        +4
        Quote: Gladius
        So if China's GDP per capita is less than in Russia, then the number of these souls in China and in Russia must also be taken into account.

        A DVD dyushnik flew out on a laptop. I went looking for the historic center of Blagoveshchensk. Where do you spit Chinese tourist groups from all areas of the PRC. I talked with friends, they say this every day. Is this not an indicator of GDP per capita in the PRC?
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 30 July 2016 16: 32
          +15
          Quote: Amurets
          Wherever Chinese tourist groups from all areas of China spit. I talked with friends, they say this every day.This is not an indicator of per capita GDP in China?


          And this is not a study of the theater of future military operations?

          I remember that in the 70-80s in the intelligence departments of combined-arms divisions and corps even sets of souvenir cards were used, say, of neighboring Scandinavian countries ... With calculations of engineering throughput and tonnage of bridges and bridges, etc., etc.
          This is me - for example, but - really and specifically ...

          So tourism can be different ... Without laughter and irony ...
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 19: 53
            +2
            In Germany, America, they toze VD theaters too ??? I guess that they heal .... markets, customs, tastes ...
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 30 July 2016 20: 41
              +4
              Quote: Karlovar
              I myself guess that they are heaping .... markets, customs, tastes ...

              And they are surprised to learn that in all markets mass-produced goods are Chinese-made? laughing And the fact that people just relax is no longer an explanation of tourism? It seems to me that it is more reliable to work through the Chinese diasporas for the Chinese special services.

              Or maybe the Russians also went to Turkey for reconnaissance? And as they stopped traveling, the Turkish opposition immediately muddied the coup, our military barely managed to intercept some kind of message there. Well, right, or some sort of base in Syria or almost 1,5 million intelligence agents a year! laughing
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar 30 July 2016 23: 46
                0
                In what you have said, there is a rational link ....
        2. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 30 July 2016 19: 07
          +1
          go to Europe .. to Rome, London, etc. .... Half of the tourists are Chinese
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 30 July 2016 20: 27
            +1
            London
            Half of the Anglo-Saxon tourists from the colonies. Then come the Western Europeans. Chinese (not Koreans) percent ten.
            1. edge
              edge 31 July 2016 09: 39
              +1
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Half of the Anglo-Saxon tourists from the colonies. Then come the Western Europeans.

              funny said that confirms the reality ...... from the colonies
        3. Karlovar
          Karlovar 30 July 2016 19: 50
          -1
          A lope of Chinese tourists in Italy, France, Austria, Germany, Tsekhii ....
        4. edge
          edge 31 July 2016 09: 35
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          I went to look in the historical center of Blagoveshchensk. Where do you spit Chinese tourist groups from all areas of the PRC. I talked with friends, they say this every day. Is this not an indicator of GDP per capita in the PRC?

          no, not an indicator, we have a visa-free regime of 3 rubles and wander around the city all day. Not so long ago, half of Vladivostok went to China for a weekend to drink, now they came to us with their eateries — is it a very good life there?
      5. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 30 July 2016 16: 55
        +9
        If the Chinese are all nishtyak, then why are there so many of them in my city ??? Everyone is trying to build a business that is moving something and, in principle, they are satisfied. But, what if you don’t get stuck in your homeland once they come to us ??
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 30 July 2016 19: 57
          0
          They build businesses in Africa and Lat. America, and in Europe, and in South-East Asia, in Australia ... The investment is called by the capitalists ... By the way, the Japanese (they have everything okay) have assets worth trillions (!!!) dallars ...
          1. vlad-58
            vlad-58 31 July 2016 07: 49
            +1
            Quote: Karlovar
            The Japanese (they have everything okay) have assets worth trillions (!!!) of dallars ...

            Assets?
            What is it - industrial enterprises, shopping centers, banks and te te? ... In Africa, in the Middle East ...
            But tomorrow I am: the Great and Wise bwana M * Kubwe, I arrange a smart revolution, "sweep away" the exploiters and bankers ... I cut everyone to zero ... Or - the same thing, but - I, the Great and ... well, yes! Ali-Allah-Akbar -... Selim-something there ... -I do the same (massacre to zero is required! ...)
            ... and where are your trillions of "assets"? That's right - at IG-Daesh!
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 15
              0
              Rich uncles are usually smart, without a mind wealth does not work ... And they make investments in different countries, thinking Khorosenko ...
      6. Vadim_2
        Vadim_2 31 July 2016 06: 12
        0
        And why "you need to take into account"? Where does this follow?
      7. guzik007
        guzik007 31 July 2016 12: 31
        0
        GDP is less than in Russia, and significantly.
        -----------------------------------------------
        And thank God! It is estimated that if the average consumption of the Chinese is equal to the American, then all the earthly resources will end in 1-3 years
    2. midivan
      midivan 30 July 2016 12: 40
      +4
      Quote: Abbra
      We are waiting for further research ... Although, it would be better for the author himself to go to China, and not fumble on the Internet. I am looking forward to "My opinion on Honuduras", "My opinion on New Zealand", "My doubts about Obama" and "My thoughts on my opinions" ... wassat

      it seems to me that the author would travel the world with great pleasure (if you need an assistant, well, there you’ll bring a notebook and a pencil, I collect things wassat ), give money a repeat ?
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 13: 15
        -12%
        the author of his writings and is trying to make money on a train around the world ...
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 30 July 2016 21: 38
          +3
          He doesn’t pay a fee to commentators, otherwise there would immediately be so many rich people that even Abramovich strangled himself with envy
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 30 July 2016 12: 53
      +8
      Quote: Abbra
      Looking forward to "My opinion on Honuduras", "My opinion on New Zealand", My doubts about Obama "and" My thoughts on my opinions "

      Doubts about Obama are probably common, by the way, calling the American president anything different is not prohibited by the law of the site, except for mate. But still, I will refrain from "flattering" epithets, everyone already knows that it begins with "H"
      The author asks the right questions. I haven’t been to China either, but
      1. The little sister was there. I got lost in Shanghai. Whoever didn’t ask for directions to the hotel, so everyone on Aiyan Russian showed the right way. Delighted by the Chinese
      2. My wife has a completely different opinion. We ordered honey equipment, the Chinese fulfilled the order, but poured all the documentation into their Internet and the production of the analogue began
      3. I am not familiar with the Chinese, they just smoke on the sidelines
      4. Stepson ordered in China sponges, which Auchan cost 45 pe, it turned out that they cost 3 rubles
      1. dauria
        dauria 30 July 2016 13: 03
        +15
        let's make all existing work in 2 shifts. FAILED!


        For information, in the city of Gorky, the second (and the third night trimmed down) were at almost all large plants until 1992.

        Regarding GDP per capita. Yes, Americans are 4 times less, and produce a little less than the Chinese. So what ? they started 25 years ago. And a large population is also a resource, moreover, an important, strategic one.
        What is the use of Qatar with Luxembourg in the first place? Are these countries? Bullshit, tear and spit if necessary.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 30 July 2016 13: 22
          +5
          Demography is a great plus to this day ... A lot of demography, a lot of work, a lot of discounts, a lot of talents, a lot of economics, a lot of taxes, a lot of budgets, a lot of medicine, a lot of education, a lot of science, a lot of technology .... A lot of that .. .
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 30 July 2016 14: 22
          +11
          Quote: dauria
          What is the use of Qatar with Luxembourg in the first place

          And where does Monte Carlo earn roulette? (I mean that GDP is garbage from statisticians).
        3. Orionvit
          Orionvit 30 July 2016 17: 38
          +7
          Yes, Americans are 4 times less, and produce a little less than the Chinese.
          What do you say it has been produced in the USA in the last ten years, apart from dollars and weapons? Where have you heard this? All goods in America are Chinese. From home appliances to jeans and cowboy hats. About three years ago, my former boss went to visit his daughter in Las Vegas. He did not see any non-Chinese goods. If something is produced in the states, it is again mainly from Chinese components. The only manufacturing facility that works flawlessly in the usa is dollar printing. The dumb one understands that you don't produce any goods, but if you print money, you will still have more of them. Moreover, it is not the USA that prints, but the so-called "federal reserve", which has nothing to do with the US state, but lends money to the same USA. All these inflated ratings about the largest per capita income in America are absolutely false, since they are silent about the largest debt. In my opinion, even small children already know this, if they are of course interested, and this whole bubble called the United States exists while the whole world pretends that dollars are money.
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 30 July 2016 19: 12
            +2
            no, why ... science-intensive industries work ... computers, airplanes, shipbuilding, weapons, space technology, food ... and clothes - what is clothes? Do not underestimate the potential of the Americans. Before the Second World War, they didn’t build a fleet either, but the war began - an aircraft carrier a month apart from the rest ... no one can really compete with them. and they have huge resources
        4. vlad007
          30 July 2016 17: 42
          +1
          I also had to work in three shifts for five years. Of these, 2 of the year - in the evening and at night, there were not enough craftsmen, in the afternoon the head of the site was a master! But not all plants in the country worked like this!
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 30 July 2016 21: 29
            0
            Quote: vlad007
            I also had to work in three shifts for five years. Of these, 2 of the year - in the evening and at night, there were not enough craftsmen, in the afternoon the head of the site was a master! But not all plants in the country worked like this!

            Not any production could be transferred to 2-3 shifts. Where there should be constant technological and design supervision, they worked in one, in the extreme case, organized a trimmed 2nd, where auxiliary operations took place. In addition, the 2nd, and especially the 3rd shift, was more expensive for the enterprise than the 1st one, since it was necessary to pay night shifts with a constant salary fund. There were also restrictions for women with children, students in evening and correspondence courses, etc. That is, in a sense, hemorrhoids. And each enterprise was given a plan according to which there was a supply of raw materials and components. How to organize additional shifts?
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 July 2016 13: 00
      -12%
      the author, without getting down from the couch, gave out * authoritative * supplications about China ... An Internet traveler from an Internet travel club ...
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 30 July 2016 15: 10
        +12
        Quote: Karlovar
        the author, without getting down from the couch, gave out * authoritative * supplications about China ... An Internet traveler from an Internet travel club ...

        Yes, okay for you to pretend not to be Russian. The phrase "gave it out without getting off the couch" is written in the purest Russian language, and then an attempt is made in a "Caucasian" adverb like "plate" without a soft sign, and "sol" with a soft one. And again, "Internet" is an almost impossible word for non-Russians, as. Anglo-Saxons and other peoples do not have such endings, is it written correctly again? Why are you pretending?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 30 July 2016 17: 59
          +2
          Karlovar did not pretend to be. I put a plus, but the article is very superficial, the information is known to everyone, the author jumps on the facts pulled from the Internet, without any system, you can see a beginner in writing articles. The topic about China is good, but let them tell me what I don't know, then you can discuss it. Again, half the truth about the USSR, not everything was so bad, if they had not fed and supplied half of the world (all sorts of "fraternal socialist" countries, from Africa and America, to Asia), resources and weapons (almost for nothing), then maybe it would be easier. All the same, all these "fraternal countries" do not remember anything, and pretend that nothing happened, including China. Maybe with the exception of Vietnam, Ethiopia, and Cuba. But in the Union, unlike China, I had a 6-hour working day (hazardous production), two days off, 31 days of annual leave, and every year a voucher, if not to the sea, then to a dispensary is mandatory.
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 30 July 2016 20: 13
          +3
          I’ve been a cysto in Russian, I was sick in Russia 5 years ago, I can write a dictation about who will allow mistakes ... Klava is Latin, then I’ll translate the translation to the Cyrillic .... this is the canoe that is issued, but, most importantly, semantic load is not distorted ....
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 30 July 2016 20: 31
            +2
            .Klava Latin, then I’ll name the translation into the Cyrillic alphabet ...., such a canoe is issued,
            I had the same problem, but got used to it very quickly. Some Russian letters are denoted by two Latin letters, and the soft sign is denoted as- '
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 30 July 2016 22: 46
              +1
              Karlovar CZ Today, 20:13
              Klava is Latin, then I’ll name the translation into Cyrillic ..

              There are a bunch of online sites with a virtual translate keyboard.
              As an example - http://translit.net/
        3. Freeman
          Freeman 30 July 2016 21: 06
          +2
          Aleksey_K (3) RU Today, 15:10 ↑
          Karlovar
          Yes, okay, you are not pretending to be Russian.

          +100500 good
          It also hurts the eyes of "kitaisski aksent" in printed messages under the flag of the Czech Republic. Then he climbed into the profile and realized that paní doktor apparently learned Russian from the indigenous peoples of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug.
          Do not scold her - she tried. hi
      2. vlad007
        30 July 2016 17: 44
        +3
        I won’t be anymore, sorry! I thought that I would receive specific information from the participants in the discussion.
        Sincerely
      3. Chisayna
        Chisayna 30 July 2016 21: 56
        +1
        Karlovar, write: self-freezing refrigerator.
    5. shvn
      shvn 30 July 2016 15: 21
      0
      and who will pay for the "opinions"?
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 July 2016 15: 24
      +8
      Another special feature of the Chinese is to skip the line everywhere. These little creatures are trying to slip under your armpit to be the first to enter the subway car. Only a "polite" hockey power trick makes them stay ahead of you.
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    8. siberalt
      siberalt 30 July 2016 16: 32
      +2
      China is a distinctive civilization. They dug up an old grave, according to their assumption, it was BC, and they wonder where the Swiss watch of the late 19th century came from. The old Chinese wall has loopholes inside, and the new ones near Beijing are equated in age with the old ones, supposedly restored. The restriction of one child per family applied to urban residents. The "violators" were relocated to villages. With pensions in general, a complete mess. The villagers know nothing about her. Usually they bring up two children. One goes to work in the city, the youngest remains to help his parents on the land until their death. There are also ghost towns without communications, which have recently been built, but they were not going to settle anyone there. A lot of unusual things, but everything is shrouded in mystery.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 20: 24
        +3
        When the wall goes not in a straight line, but in zigzags, repeating a bizarre rel, the periodical loopholes will look at each other, in the opposite sides ... Moset on paper with a pencil will draw and make sure. from the neighboring wall plot ????
        1. vlad-58
          vlad-58 31 July 2016 07: 56
          -2
          Quote: Karlovar
          When the wall goes not in a straight line, but in zigzags, repeating a bizarre rel, the periodical loopholes will look at each other, in the opposite sides ... Moset on paper with a pencil will draw and make sure. from the neighboring wall plot ????

          Just so-called. The "Great Wall of China" was built by the Mongols for protection from the Chinese! already proven ...
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 20
            0
            Well, how does the Mongols get half-cyclos ??? Where is Mongolia, Inner Mongolia? And where is China? ... Was the Mongols worth such labors building a wall in vain ????
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      3. fif21
        fif21 30 July 2016 22: 40
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        A lot of unusual things, but everything is covered in mystery.
        wassat
        1. The Chinese left the communist chatterbox, the party and transferred the economy to capitalist rails. NEP.
        a) Try not to pay salaries and taxes (party membership card on the table) b) Try to sell drugs - shooting c) try to take a bribe-shooting in general theft and corruption are kept on the fly laughing d) cheap labor-competitive advantage e) the release of goods similar to real one more + e) ​​for export everything from needles to machines. g) live their own minds, and do not dance the tune of the tune of Western schools of economics.
        2. What it gave - GDP and economic growth. Improving the welfare of the population (from bicycles to cars). the "undervalued" yuan has become the world's reserve currency. Strong states (the army) are respected in the world, but strong economies are respected even more, and China has come out on top in its development as the world's economies! request THEY DO NOT TRY TO BECOME LIKE SOMEONE, and they put the interests of the state in the first place, and not the mercantile interests of their "elites". hi
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 31 July 2016 18: 47
          0
          Quote: fif21
          The Chinese abandoned the communist chatterbox, the party and transferred the economy to capitalist tracks.

          The Chinese did not leave the communist chatterbox.

          Wikipedia:
          The ultimate goal of the party is the implementation of the communist social system. The Chinese Communist Party proclaims that it is guided in its activities by "Marxism-Leninism and the ideas of Mao Zedong," the theory of Deng Xiaoping, the "theory of three representations" of Jiang Zemin and the "concept of scientific development" Hu Jintao.
          The Chinese Communist Party has official (elected by internal party elections) and unofficial (appointed by higher party) organizations at all levels of the Chinese government and in various areas of society.
    9. Archon
      Archon 30 July 2016 17: 27
      0
      at first can go to Vladivostok. There was a lot of Chinese tourists coming here. But going to China is cheaper.
    10. vlad007
      30 July 2016 17: 29
      +1
      You would better advise sources of information. I wrote in the introduction that I am primarily interested in the opinions of other participants. Can someone visit China regularly and say that everything I wrote is rubbish?
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 30 July 2016 21: 47
        +2
        A friend of mine until the last year traveled for goods every two months. In general, the information is correct. The fact that BMW has been 2005% Chinese since 75, even supplies parts to the conveyor to Germany, but I’m silent about Mercedes, probably 100% China
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    12. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 30 July 2016 22: 59
      +1
      Quote: Abbra
      We are waiting for further research ... Although, it would be better for the author himself to go to China, and not fumble on the Internet. I am looking forward to "My opinion on Honuduras", "My opinion on New Zealand", "My doubts about Obama" and "My thoughts on my opinions" ... wassat

      Are you a critic, Jura? Or
      it would be better if the author himself went to China
      ...Chinese.
      U, you, the publications themselves have 0. But it’s not rushing ... A man wrote, tried, found the truth, do you think you need to fuck up? .... Nothing personal, just a side view.
    13. Vadim_2
      Vadim_2 31 July 2016 06: 13
      0
      And what is your opinion better than the opinion of the author?
  2. Hunt
    Hunt 30 July 2016 12: 23
    +6
    China is the only of the oldest civilizations that have survived to this day. This is a different worldview, a different culture, a different mentality. The good news is that the attitude towards us is rather friendly, and it’s not in the nature of the Chinese to be aggressors. They are more likely farmers than wars. But gunpowder needs to be kept dry, otherwise you never mind .....
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 30 July 2016 12: 31
      +15
      Quote: Hunter
      China is the only of the oldest civilizations that have survived to this day.

      Too bold statement. And, say, the Armenians? I'm not talking about nations that do not currently have statehood, Assyrians for example.
      1. Hunt
        Hunt 30 July 2016 12: 41
        +6
        The fact of the matter is that for five thousand years, the Chinese in one form or another have maintained their statehood!
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 13: 28
        +1
        Reclaiming from ancient empires ... Armenia, Urartu was not blown up by empires. The Assyrians and Copts (ancient Egyptians) retained a small number ... Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Aramaeans, Akkadians, Hittites, and the Romans did not disappear as much nations, nations ...
        1. Samarin
          Samarin 30 July 2016 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: Karlovar
          Assyrians and Copts (ancient Egyptians) saved a lot in a small amount ..

          How much? All of them there are all TURKS already like 500 years ...
          The Seljuks diluted everyone there, plus the Greeks and other Albanians, and for a long time.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 20: 27
            0
            Assyrians and Copts of 50 thousand ....
        2. Gladius
          Gladius 30 July 2016 14: 16
          +7
          Quote: Karlovar
          Reclaiming from ancient empires ... Armenia, Urartu was not blown up by empires. The Assyrians and Copts (ancient Egyptians) retained a small number ... Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Aramaeans, Akkadians, Hittites, and the Romans did not disappear as much nations, nations ...

          We have preserved in Armenia places of compact residence of the Assyrians, they live in the villages of the Ararat valley.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 30 July 2016 16: 36
            +3
            Quote: Gladius
            We have preserved in Armenia places of compact residence of the Assyrians, they live in the villages of the Ararat valley.



            In the Krasnodar Territory - a farm Urmia ...
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 20: 57
            +1
            My Assyrian classmate with the name Assurov ....
        3. Parsec
          Parsec 30 July 2016 15: 24
          +7
          Quote: Karlovar
          Reclaiming from ancient empires ... Armenia, Urartu did not blame empires


          A vile feeling of a terrible speech defect, superimposed on a Greek accent, by a discord with the content.

          Well, you put the Russian keyboard, and so others know that you are Russian-speaking.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 30 July 2016 20: 59
            0
            Beech from Russia brought dead. Claudia will not be bought by Hotzu. Stickers glues toze not hotzu ...
      3. Abbra
        Abbra 30 July 2016 13: 28
        +14
        And the Neondertals ???? They do not have states yet, but live in all countries. My neighbor, for example ... fellow
        1. Samarin
          Samarin 30 July 2016 13: 49
          +6
          Quote: Abbra
          And the Neondertals ????

          Well, yes, these still occur periodically.
        2. Hunt
          Hunt 30 July 2016 15: 03
          +2
          Well, you reveal all the secrets ??? Now the State Department will begin to defend the rights of the Neondartals! Poor people! And do not go to the "fortune-teller" most of all they are infringed upon in Russia, and the GDP wets them in the "toilet", on Saturdays.
        3. Parsec
          Parsec 30 July 2016 15: 22
          +2
          Quote: Abbra
          And the Neondertals ???? They do not have states yet, but live in all countries. My neighbor, for example ...


          Starondertals click on the lobby in Congress to infringe on these upstarts of the Neondertals?
          1. dauria
            dauria 30 July 2016 15: 40
            +1
            Starondertals click on the lobby in Congress to infringe on these upstarts of the Neondertals?


            Smiled. smile People, do you specifically laugh?

            Neocolonialism ... NEO (from the Greek. neos - new). Used as a prefix equivalent to Russian: new
            Nopendertalets
            Neanderthal gorge near Dusseldorf and Erkrath (West Germany)
            1. Parsec
              Parsec 30 July 2016 16: 26
              +1
              This is easily verified by the decision of the "tragimetric equation" in Dagestan.

              What do you think?
            2. Outsider V.
              Outsider V. 31 July 2016 15: 56
              0
              Abbra wanted to say that moderate opposition anertaletsev will fight against Neanderthals.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 July 2016 16: 37
      0
      Quote: Hunter
      China is the only of the oldest civilizations that have survived to this day. This is a different worldview, a different culture, a different mentality. The good news is that the attitude towards us is rather friendly, and it’s not in the nature of the Chinese to be aggressors. They are more likely farmers than wars. But gunpowder needs to be kept dry, otherwise you never mind .....

      Oh oh But what about the generally accepted that at first everyone was African? laughing Well, what had to be done with the black man so that his eyes narrowed and his skin turned yellow? Or vice versa?
      If they are the most ancient, then why did they not settle anywhere in the world? Where are the treatises of their "ancient" travelers?
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 30 July 2016 18: 49
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        But what about the generally accepted that at first everyone was African? Well, what had to be done with the black man so that his eyes narrowed and his skin turned yellow? Or vice versa?
        If they are the most ancient, then why did they not settle anywhere in the world? Where are the treatises of their "ancient" travelers?


        Exactly ! So we got to the point that we are all here on planet Earth - GUESTS!
        Test tube guests! On Earth, 3 or 4 main races, and until recently, according to the planetary clock, everyone lived quite compactly. Only with the development of civilization began to settle and mix.
        We were told in schools about Darwin's theory - a man from a monkey!
        And how many species of monkeys are there?
        And who saw the curly-headed monkeys or specifically the yellow-skinned and narrow-eyed?
        And why don't the rest turn into people ?!
        So on Earth living people from test tubes!
        We were once sown, and now they are observed through microscope telescopes and all kinds of viruses are sent in for survival tests!
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 06
        +1
        Of the ancient empire, which has survived to this day in that same status, imperial .... The hypothetical ancient African tser-pretsernaya empire has not dosed until today! There is no such state of Ancient Nigeria with round eyes and a goat on both sides of the equator ...
      3. nerd.su
        nerd.su 30 July 2016 21: 53
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        But what about the generally accepted that at first everyone was African? This is what you had to do with a black man so that his eyes narrowed

        And who told you that those first Africans were blacks? Rather, they were white, just the sun then in Africa was not so bright. And as it began to shine more strongly, so white to the north rushed and in Europe remained so white. And in the east they turned yellow and their eyes narrowed. Maybe from rice, or maybe because the brains of living monkeys ate ...
        And those who didn’t want to run, but loved to dance and bask in the sun more, turned black for many, many years. Boers won’t blackened since the middle of the 17th century, they just sunbathed a little.

        Quote: siberalt
        If they are the most ancient, then why did they not settle anywhere in the world? Where are the treatises of their "ancient" travelers?

        Well, you dishonor our education. Everyone knows that as soon as the next emperor succeeded in collecting a sufficiently large number of peoples under his tax service, he immediately declared China and forbidden to wander around. And then no one will pay taxes.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 31 July 2016 12: 20
          0
          Quote: bot.su
          And those who didn’t want to run, but loved to dance and bask in the sun more, turned black for many, many years.

          ... they did not like to work, there were enough fruits on the trees.
          They climbed trees and like that, on the planet Earth, monkey tribes formed!
          The original theory has formed! good wink
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 1 August 2016 23: 42
            0
            Quote: Starover_Z
            They climbed trees and like that, on the planet Earth, monkey tribes formed!

            Well, actually I still think that people came from monkeys ... But, damn it, I like your interpretation too, and there are no big logical contradictions in it. So be it! laughing
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 31 July 2016 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: Hunter
      and it’s not in the nature of the Chinese to be aggressors.

      My father fought in China. When I was a schoolboy in a conversation with him about the Chinese, he put it very simply, he called them bandits. Deception and robbery is their means of earning. This is evident in their goods arriving in Russia. This is their policy, which we have ignored, on the maps to draw China to the Urals. Russia simply cannot cope with China with conventional weapons if China suddenly declares war on us. In wartime, theoretically (without taking into account restrictions on material support), up to 400 000 000 people can be mobilized (Wikipedia). Only the use of a nuclear response to aggression restrains them from seizing our territories.
      1. Mobik
        Mobik 1 August 2016 07: 51
        +1
        Well, what are you shaking with mobilization potential, these 400 million people still need to be armed, dressed, trained, and fed something while they are torn off from GDP production. For a protracted war, the mobilization potential is certainly good, but no one will arrange a blitzkrieg in a protracted war.
  3. svp67
    svp67 30 July 2016 12: 24
    +9
    Yes, all that has been said is true, but the author did not notice the main thing, that China was able to integrate into the world economy so much that without it it is now inconceivable, why they can’t use any sanctions against it, or they will just be fictitious.
    1. midivan
      midivan 30 July 2016 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, all that has been said is true, but the author did not notice the main thing, that China was able to integrate into the world economy so much that without it it is now inconceivable, why they can’t use any sanctions against it, or they will just be fictitious.

      and what exactly is the "integration" into the world economy? the author then paid a little attention, as I understand it, cheap labor, harmful production and there is a key policy in the economy, what can be applied to them if from all kinds of brands to chemicals are produced there? this is one side, and the other is not unimportant it is ecology, you can quickly destroy it, but restore it so that the money earned may not be enough. IMHO
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 July 2016 16: 49
      +3
      One and a half billion, practically, of free power, Western investment and technology. They took from everyone, did not give to anyone. The United States wanted to make anti-USSR from China, but they ran into the wrong mentality. When the first Chinese was born, the crest stopped digging the Black Sea and wept bitterly. crying
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 10
        +1
        But from fraternal Ukraine they successfully made anti-Russia ...
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 31 July 2016 19: 16
          +2
          Quote: Karlovar
          But from fraternal Ukraine they successfully made anti-Russia ...

          There were times when the northern neighbors, that is, the Poles, trampled on anti-Russians. And so B. Khmelnitsky asked for protection from his eastern neighbor, that is, from Russia. So they became dear to us. How many Russians died clearing Ukrainian territories from Poles. The Poles still cannot forgive us for this. Everyone knows that history moves in a spiral in time. Soon everything will be repeated and these "dear ones" will remember that they were once dear to us. Until then, let them enjoy their freedom.
          Russia is a very strange state. Having conquered almost all of Europe in the wars with Napoleon and having triumphantly entered Paris, it could have expanded its borders to the Atlantic Ocean. That Russia did not claim this European trash. And now all Europeans hate us, as well as Ukrainians, because we RUSSIANS are noble, we did not begin to let down the Swedes and the Turks, but we could.
    3. vlad007
      30 July 2016 17: 47
      +1
      THANK! First of all, I wanted to hear the opinions of other participants.
  4. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 30 July 2016 12: 24
    +8
    I will not throw tomatoes, but I will put a plus, at least for the desire to make an attempt to review. I understand that the author is not a writer, but, well done that I was not afraid to write even such an article. Write further - the experience will come with time. And do not take to the heart the screams of the critics (not to be confused with fair critics)!
    1. vlad007
      30 July 2016 17: 49
      +2
      THANK! I thought that someone would advise more serious sources than the Internet!
  5. krops777
    krops777 30 July 2016 12: 26
    +6
    All countries tell the Chinese that this is dishonest, but THEM THIS DOES NOT WAVE!

    In war, as in war, all means are good.
  6. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 30 July 2016 12: 30
    +20
    View from Blagoveshchensk embankment on Heihe, if someone served in Blagoveshchensk in the eighties, or just visited the city, remember the landscape with adobe huts across the river. So much for China today.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 July 2016 12: 33
      +8
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      View from Blagoveshchensk

      He visited Blag, one of the few cities in Russia where it is not customary to cross the street in the wrong place and into the red light.
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  7. user
    user 30 July 2016 12: 34
    +11
    I want to see the reaction of the public. Maybe they throw tomatoes.


    As for tossing tomatoes, today the average Chinese salary is one and a half times higher than in the Russian Federation, and now let's look at the EU.
    Two days ago, RT showed a documentary film about the situation in the financial markets in the world (which is interestingly not created in the Russian Federation), so in his interview Steinmeier said something like the following (well, excuse me, I did not outline) “you need to forget about social guarantees in the EU, this year there is none of them". Anyone interested can find it on the RT website, it is a two-part series.
    In general, the further I write, the more I understand that you will not be limited to one such comment.
    Well, in short, remember what is written in the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" (German: Das Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei) - the work of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, in which they declare and justify the goals, objectives and methods of struggle of the emerging communist organizations and parties.
    First published on February 21, 1848 in London.

    So everything goes in a circle, a revolutionary situation is created again, the main thing that would have exploded this time not in Russia.

    What is interesting, the VP understands this, the latest laws adopted regarding security and the Russian Guard indicate this.
    I would like to believe that he is really a grandmaster, but he doesn’t seem to them.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 July 2016 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: user
      then today the average salary of a Chinese is one and a half times higher than in Russia,

      With a fright?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 30 July 2016 12: 52
        0
        https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/09/15/wages/
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 July 2016 19: 38
        +1
        "With what fright?" ////

        Since the sharp fall of the ruble.
        Some European clothing manufacturers began to transfer from China to Russia
        due to the fact that the wages of factory workers are 30% less.
    2. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 30 July 2016 15: 32
      -1
      Quote: user


      Well, in short, remember what is written in the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" ...

      So everything goes in a circle, a revolutionary situation is created again, the main thing that would have exploded this time not in Russia.


      AAA! and then the communists ... here are stubborn people! the struggle of the "working class" against the "non-working class" is over. 8-hour working day, trade unions, soz.zashita - everything is already there. people are worried about other topics. And you can dispossess someone without communism. if there was a desire, there would be an excuse. smile

      Look at your main communist - in my opinion he will not go into exile for an idea or write "Manifestos ..". But unless the link is in London or Nice.
      in the wake of the leader, so to speak.
      1. user
        user 30 July 2016 20: 44
        0
        AAA! and here the Communists ... here is the stubborn people!


        By the way, the Communists have nothing to do with it, I just referred to the works recognized at one time as economic luminaries, which described a similar situation of economic relations. Problems of this kind have arisen a long time ago and there is a history of solutions and the consequences of these solutions - nothing new.
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 24
      +2
      If the USSR had not won in 1945, didn’t expand the sphere of influence in the world, there would have been no plan for Marsall, Japanese, Western European economical miracles! The capitalists were forced to feed the more or less satiety of the proletarians so that they would not look towards the USSR. And if there were niset in these territories, arbitrariness, powerlessness, as it was in the 20-30-40s, the whole history of capitalism. Negroes in America would remain the third grade, Latinos and Asians-second .... Now there is no USSR, it’s brainy will return to the situation of the 20-30-40s ...
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 July 2016 12: 39
    +7
    The fact that China has made a huge leap is beyond dispute. Yes, the Communist Party is at the helm, but this does not interfere with the development of the middle class and the presence of millionaires. It was written correctly above that the PRC has become so integrated into the international economy that God forbid others to integrate this way. Of course you can not compare the standard of living in cities and provinces (especially deaf). They still live there in the old fashioned way and are very poor. But the main thing is that we just need today not only to maintain good relations with this country, but also to strengthen them in the economy, politics and especially in military cooperation. At the same time, one should not forget that each country first of all thinks about its own benefits and national security.
    1. midivan
      midivan 30 July 2016 12: 53
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But the main thing is that we simply need today not only to maintain good relations with this country, but also to strengthen them in the economy, politics and especially in military cooperation.

      I agree about the relationship, but you need to strengthen yourself, let them be many smile
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 30 July 2016 13: 11
        +3
        So I write
        At the same time, one should not forget that each country first of all thinks about its own benefits and national security.
  9. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 30 July 2016 12: 42
    0
    The main fact is that in China the economy is growing.
    And in Russia, it is currently degrading.
    This is the main and determining fact in all other areas, from the military-industrial complex to politics.
  10. Lysik001
    Lysik001 30 July 2016 12: 42
    0
    Recently, China offered us a military alliance. I met this offer very wary. For me, that China, that Japan, countries completely alien and foreign to Russia. And we don’t need any alliance with it. But it would have been even worse.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 30 July 2016 15: 28
      +3
      Quote: Lysik001
      For me, that China, that Japan, completely foreign and foreign countries of Russia.


      The Poles, Bulgarians, Czechs and Ukrainians close to us are so close, so close that our root enemies will be quieter.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 31
        0
        So I thought, it is necessary with EU to force an alliance with the EU!
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 30
      0
      Well, so the military alliance with America will be sworn! Outside of alliances and alliances, they will not remain half-crushed!
  11. tatra
    tatra 30 July 2016 13: 02
    +6
    In 1991, the GDP of the RSFSR was 4 times that of China, now China's GDP is 4 times that of Russia.
    Unlike the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR, the Chinese did not throw a show off, and did not "bent our fingers" "we are all so effective, and the fact that we do not succeed, others are always to blame", but plowed like the damned.
    In China, a kind of NEP, when the Bolsheviks allowed both Russian and foreign bourgeois to work, but at the same time developed their industry and science.
    The Chinese are well done.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 30 July 2016 13: 08
      +2
      Rather, the correct conversion of the economy, not through looting and looting. And through the stimulation of growth, and dropping off unprofitable enterprises, while continuing to maintain profitable ones. And then we have the nationalization of losses, and the privatization of profits.
      In the Chinese economy, the private sector is showing high growth rates. The public sector in the year (1978), when Deng Xiaoping began the Chinese economic reforms, accounted for 78% of the gross domestic product (GDP), the non-state sector - 22%. By 2008, the opposite picture was already observed: non-state enterprises produced 72% of GDP, and state-owned enterprises - 28% [12].
      1. tatra
        tatra 30 July 2016 13: 27
        +3
        "In the Chinese economy, the private sector demonstrates high rates of development"
        Well, in most capital countries of the world, the same private sector prevails over the public sector, however, it was precisely communist China and the communist USSR that over the past 100 years have given the fastest pace of development.
        And the "economic miracle" of South Korea and Japan was entirely created by foreigners, especially Americans.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 30 July 2016 14: 08
          +4
          The economic miracle of China was also created by foreigners, especially the Americans.
          1. tatra
            tatra 30 July 2016 15: 21
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            The economic miracle of China was also created by foreigners, especially the Americans.

            But this is not a bird. It is the Chinese who enrich the Americans and work for them, and in the USA there are a lot of Chinese products.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 30 July 2016 16: 43
              0
              Now, you see everything for the good of the USA, isn’t their emphasis visible? smile
              Also, US debt bonds, China holds the most.
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 12
            0
            Especially the Americans of Chinese origin, as well as the Chinese of Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Canada, Australia, Europe. They are the pioneers in investing in China. After them the ambassador of an avalanche of investment ....
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    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 July 2016 21: 39
      0
      If I don’t settle down, the official GDP of the PRC for this year will be estimated at 12 trillion (with Hong Kong and Macau) .... But it’s bolsa, 4 times more bolsa .... Without saying it, the official GDP statistics of the PRC are traditionally underestimated. Many experts cite that they need 3–4 trillion to the official figure and half real GDP, in the period of 15–16 trillion expected in 2016.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 July 2016 13: 21
    +14
    I know the Chinese, dealt with them, supplied them with equipment, did not go myself, there was no need. Complicated attitude. I will briefly comment on the words of my acquaintance, whom I turned to before "entering into a relationship." I asked him when a Chinese can throw you? At the beginning of the case, at the end, when calculating? The answer was - at any moment!
    There is a Chinese expression - "Ni hao lao wai" - which my adjusters have heard quite often. It turned out that taking advantage of their ignorance of Chinese, the Chinese "comrades" spoke, smiling, in the face - "Big stupid white monkey."
    We need to talk about the economy in a separate work, but! There is NO in the country: free medicine (for everyone), there are no pensions, except for civil servants, for the sake of profit they are ready to go for ANY technology violation, and for crimes. Do not remember how the tracks of the Chinese tanks TORN at the biathlon. And we have rusted stainless steel in vacuum chambers.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 30 July 2016 14: 17
      +6
      I don’t understand what, or maybe in this phrase:
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      No hao lao wai

      hidden sarcasm and grin, but in the literal sense it means "Hello, foreigner".
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Big stupid white monkey
      It has nothing to do with this.
      1. Gladius
        Gladius 30 July 2016 15: 15
        -1
        Quote: Greenwood
        I don’t understand what, or maybe in this phrase:
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        No hao lao wai

        hidden sarcasm and grin, but in the literal sense it means "Hello, foreigner".
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Big stupid white monkey
        It has nothing to do with this.

        What, Greenwood, is it a shame that you're kidding?
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 30 July 2016 15: 53
        +1
        And I don’t know Chinese, so I went online ... It’s not “hello, foreigner”, although interpretations vary. And this sense of this phrase there, right on the spot, one Chinese, who studied in Russia, and even in not small ranks, revealed to our guys, accompanying his unbelievable subordinates with a "light scuffle".
        1. Gladius
          Gladius 30 July 2016 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And I don’t know Chinese, so I went online ... It’s not “hello, foreigner”, although interpretations vary. And this sense of this phrase there, right on the spot, one Chinese, who studied in Russia, and even in not small ranks, revealed to our guys, accompanying his unbelievable subordinates with a "light scuffle".

          Mountain Shooter, respected Greenwood understands everything perfectly, but does not want to admit it, since he considers himself, that is, Russian, the highest race and does not include in his world order that the Chinese can so frankly mock and make fun of Russians. not an allegation, you can read Greenwood’s comments, you will understand the meaning of my words.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 31 July 2016 14: 14
            0
            Quote: Gladius
            Greenwood understands everything perfectly, but does not want to admit it
            No, I don’t understand. And I don’t understand why you got attached to me ?!
            Quote: Gladius
            he considers himself, that is, Russian, the highest race
            Cool, did not know. Where did I write this?
            Quote: Gladius
            the Chinese can so frankly mock and make fun of Russians
            They can. As the others. Like us over other nations. But specifically in the written expression with the literal translation there is no mockery.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 31 July 2016 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And I don’t know Chinese, so I went to the Internet ...
          "Nihao" is a standard Chinese greeting, which is equivalent to the word "hello" in Russian, "hello" in English, "konnitchiwa" (こ ん に ち は) in Japanese, etc. Nothing else, any Russian visiting China knows this word.
          "Laowai" - foreigner, foreigner, etc. All. No more, no less.
    2. vlad007
      30 July 2016 17: 54
      +1
      THANKS sincerely!
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 17
      0
      Naset translation no hao laovey-stormy fantasy you have.
    4. Alisher
      Alisher 31 July 2016 01: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "Ni hao

      Indicates hello.
      Do you know how to check if you, for example, have paranoia, and you think that the googol is also lying?
      You go to the exhibition, or where Chinese tourists, smile and utter a phrase. If this is a curse, you will not smile at all and will not repeat this phrase (assalom alaykum - alaykum assal), but spit (very typical) or even worse. By the way, I tried, because my daughter taught Chinese at a Moscow school for 5 years, I went to China three times.
      Just keep in mind that the same written word (hieroglyph) has four different values, depending on the intonation of the pronunciation. In the word "hao" you have to pull the letter a, intonation down, and then on o intonation up. As a result, they smiled at my pronunciation and corrected it.
      Almost every day I see 100-200 Chinese tourists next to Bill’s store, on Frunzenskaya in Moscow, they have a cafe there, and they go to the store. Judging by their behavior and clothes, their income is approximately Moscow. Some Visa / mastercard credit cards (not their payment system) were not read at the box office, which created queues.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In the country NO: free medicine (for all)
      not quite so, my daughter arrived in Beijing sick - she coughed, went to the doctor with an interpreter, the visit was free, the medicine was 250 rubles. our money before the crisis, 3 days and healthy. The recipe is whole hieroglyphs. I have antibiotics here for 1000 rubles. worse helped.
      As for the air - yes, a specific smog in Beijing, also because the janitors at 5 in the morning collect small heaps of garbage (pieces of paper) and burn it. It seems they were banned, but it is easier to burn on the spot, the ashes will scatter itself.
      Merchants in any country will gladly deceive the buyer, and with whom mainly ours deal with? The price during the bidding there can be brought down in half (this is how much it was initially overpriced). A woman bought a t-shirt with a picture, but wanted a bigger size. They took it, brought it in a few minutes. Then it turned out that they simply changed the tag with the following size. :-)
      As for pensions - in commercial factories (real) pensions also happen, but it takes 20 years to work there, which is difficult.
  13. Freeman
    Freeman 30 July 2016 13: 26
    0
    Quote: Hunter
    ... it’s not in the nature of the Chinese to be aggressors. They are more likely farmers than wars.

    Yah? And they drew the third largest country by themselves on the globe? yes
    And 56 "officially recognized" peoples themselves joined the "Han" - realizing what kind of "peace-loving farmers" they are?
    And the uprising of “boxers” was staged by obedient and hardworking “coolies”?
    It is not necessary to judge the "Chukchi" people by "Chukchi from jokes".
    The fact that at the present stage China prefers economic (and ethnic) expansion to the military does not at all mean its "innate peacefulness."
    And in military terms, the "dragon" begins to show its teeth (disputed islands in the South China Sea).
    So that -
    ... gunpowder needs to be kept dry, otherwise you never mind .....
    1. kanevsvv
      kanevsvv 30 July 2016 15: 32
      0
      when dirtied their land rush to us
    2. Alisher
      Alisher 31 July 2016 01: 17
      +1
      Quote: Freeman
      56 "officially recognized" peoples themselves joined the "Han"

      So this is still good, we read from Gumilyov, two thousand years ago, when there were many kingdoms, it was customary to completely exterminate the conquered and populate the territory with your children, since in favorable conditions you can raise many children.
  14. gg.na
    gg.na 30 July 2016 13: 57
    +4
    And yet, the Chinese are good fellows in China and for China! They are doing almost everything they can for their country. They stole the part and let's stamp it ... and yes the quality is worthless in 20-30 days, this part fails and the person goes and buys it again! laughing So, there is a small turnover of trade. Well, in other larger matters, they are doing roughly the same thing. As for quality, if you do it qualitatively, this detail will not be changed by a person for many years ..., sad where all these years to take money ??! request So I say that they are well done! Well done they are well done ..., but that's just for your loved ones! And like I took a part (spare part), I used it for a month, she got it ... belay I sit and swear am how big wassatadult man laughing or mu-d-a-k !!!
  15. Averias
    Averias 30 July 2016 14: 05
    +4
    Was in June in China, and 2 times (in a week). Where was, how, why and why is not the point. I saw a lot of entertaining (not in terms of attractions). I talked with people through their interpreter (I can not vouch for the authenticity of his translation), however they are strange. There was a strong impression (from what he saw and heard) that they, the Chinese, give a lot of wishful thinking. About the expansion of the Chinese around the world, the Chinese themselves say that this is a disaster. And the trouble is not peace, but China itself. Actively began to promote a program of returning people to villages (villages). To do this, they build houses there (he did not see the truth), communications and so on. Among them there is a rumor that soon, those who did not take place in the city (those who came from the countryside) will be resettled. Many things are being built. But, I talked with a foreign specialist (builder), and so he sincerely does not understand why this plant is being built. Since (in his own words) there is no one to work on it, not so many skilled workers (the equipment is complicated). Among foreigners it sounds tangibly - BUBBLE. I won’t take any conclusions; I voiced only what I saw and heard.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 30 July 2016 14: 22
      +6
      China is now an export-oriented economy. That is, export is the main thing, but now Xi Jinping is beginning to turn to meet the needs of its population and improve living standards. So there are expected major changes. Will he succeed - xs. In principle, China is now the main workshop in the world, but the west is starting to transfer part of its production to other countries in Southeast Asia - to Vietnam, for example. How it ends - xs. hi
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 32
        0
        The Chinese themselves are transferring the production of the 3rd technical maintenance to Indonesia, Malaysia, Vetnam, Cambodia .... Thousands of Chinese factories are working in the same Vetnam site ....
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 30 July 2016 17: 10
      +2
      There is not a program of returning people to villages, but quite the contrary, a program of urbanization of the country.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 34
        0
        So I heard about the urbanization toze, and not about the return to the villages ... This is the toze, that’s a return to the feudal system ...
    3. vlad007
      30 July 2016 17: 59
      0
      THANKS, very valuable information.
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 27
      0
      Their government is embarking on a course of further urbanization. In the countryside, they are building a lot, logically, so that the villagers feel themselves ludmi. Yes, in Russia they would have built bubble plants with tens of thousands ...
  16. Days
    Days 30 July 2016 14: 14
    0
    I put a minus to the article because of the inconsistency with the heading. This article should not be in the "Opinions" heading, but in "Compilation of other people's opinions that I would like to see in reality".
    1. vlad007
      30 July 2016 18: 00
      0
      Sorry, I will consider for the future!
  17. Greenwood
    Greenwood 30 July 2016 14: 23
    +9
    I advise the author to hit the road to China, and not judge the country by some dubious films and videos on YouTube. As for myself, I visit China almost every year (the benefit from Primorye is quick and inexpensive). The pace of development of the country is amazing, cities are built up with skyscrapers and interchanges in a matter of months. The infrastructure is excellent, the roads are magnificent, we can only envy. The village really lives poorly so far, but this issue is also being resolved. Small villages are turning into cities and are building up rapidly.
    In summer in Vladivostok, the whole center is full of Chinese tourists, hundreds and thousands of them. They buy jewelry, jewelry, watches, souvenirs, etc., using the cheaper ruble. In the center, signs in stores are already duplicating in Chinese. Many senior citizens come, whole groups. In general, they live very well.
    1. Gladius
      Gladius 30 July 2016 15: 19
      0
      When there will be an economic breakthrough in Russia, Greenwood, I'm not talking about Armenia, we are not "white", like you, Greenwood, you say, all hope is on you Russians, and you are "stuck" for something, just praising the Chinese and the Japanese ...
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 31 July 2016 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: Gladius
        we are not "white"
        Strange, does it hurt you? The Chinese do not hurt, the Japanese do not hurt, many who do not hurt. Maybe you have a crisis of self-identification. What do I have to do with it?
        And in general, what did you want to say?
    2. vlad007
      30 July 2016 18: 03
      0
      "I advise the author to hit the road to China, and not judge the country by some dubious films and videos on YouTube."

      Dear Greenwood! Central TV should do this! Have you seen our films about China a lot? What are we talking about? Nothing bad happened. Bad article! I will survive!
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 45
        0
        If den will be twisting truthful dokfilmy about China on the central channels of Kazda, then after half a year people will be attacked by the brother of the Kremlin ...
        1. Days
          Days 31 July 2016 17: 11
          0
          Quote: Karlovar
          vlad007

          Why's that? If they twist the truth, and not liberal shit, which is very much, then the opinion of Russians about the world around Russia and about Russia's place in this world will shift in a positive direction.

          And specifically about truthful films about China, then, I think, vlad007 is right: development is fast, but the main reason for this is the low base for economic development. Similarly, the Soviet Union developed 50 years ago rapidly.
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 41
      0
      There recently, sports figures after watching a filigree film fanned a * dope * scandal ... On emotion, they say, hooked their film, liked it ... Here it is - the power of art!
  18. Makarov
    Makarov 30 July 2016 14: 46
    +1
    My second cousin works in Kit ... I’ll talk to him somehow, if you tell me where to write, I’ll write his opinion in my own words ...))
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 30 July 2016 14: 48
    +2
    I'll tell you what. The systems are one, the people are different. We look at the Chinese through the eyes of the Russian Manilovs (and after all, we Manilovs, oh, manilovs!) Well, while Europeans are shortened and averaged, they look at us through the eyes of Colonel Friedrich Kraus von Zillergut.
    Yes, do not give a damn!
  20. kanevsvv
    kanevsvv 30 July 2016 15: 29
    -1
    Bubble inflated in China by a huge construction site
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 49
      0
      If only Russia would inflate such a bubble, at least for the purpose of building roads ...
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 31 July 2016 10: 54
        +1
        Russia has inflated such a bubble, at least for the purpose of highway construction ...
        Do you know that all roads in the wonderful wonderland and abundance are paid? 1 kilometer-5 rubles to Russian? (depending on the type of transport, often more expensive). Plato didn’t stand by his side. And the Ketayans ride. Well, if they can pay.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 42
          0
          No need to drive ... Not all roads are paid, there are alternative free roads ... Like in Europe: on a toll road go CAS, for free-2-3, choose, no one raps! In addition, the locals go for free, for paid business, non-poor, tourists (a big bet on them) ....
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 31 July 2016 22: 12
            -1
            Don’t have to do it.
            A Chinese informs me about life in the Middle Kingdom (for some reason, he prefers southeast London). And what, this whole road network (China's size, huyvebin) is duplicated for local, and for rich tourists, autobahns? Proshe- if there is a car, you are rich.
  21. lesnik1978
    lesnik1978 30 July 2016 15: 47
    +6
    A few years ago, one of the Zapashny brothers (they lived in China for a long time) was invited to one of the Belarusian programs. He characterized them as people of racist views, cunning and insidious crooks with whom one must keep an ear, an eye and a fist on alert. As soon as I started talking about them, the host immediately shut his mouth. We have a "father" with them, after all, is friends. We barely got rid of the agro-Chinese settlements. They grew on bare sand "meter" cucumbers, cabbage, the size of a good pumpkin. Word of mouth worked (people knew that these products were Chinese and therefore did not buy them). Two years later they were gone. True, they managed to gobble up in the villages where all the Tuziks and Murziks lived, whom the owners did not see. If you did not have nuclear weapons, then the narrow-eyed cannibals cut you all out, and prepared their own preparations from the organs. To counter the Chinese threat, you need to multiply and not trust the poisonous sly Chinese smile.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 30 July 2016 17: 20
      0
      I agree. You need to live with them, as in a cell with seasoned criminals ...
      Actually, we Siberians are used to criminals.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 00: 55
      0
      To paraphrase Bulgakov * Moscow, the housing problem spoiled *, Moscow and Minsk will be spoiled by the national question .... Look, Kiev is already ruined by the national (Nazi) question ....
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 30 July 2016 15: 49
    +3
    You can understand the people (Chinese) by living 2-3 years in China and starting to understand the Chinese language. And without this, a superficial scholasticism is obtained.
  23. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 16: 01
    +2
    Check out the Eagle and Tails series about China. There was about a Chinese outback.
    Chinese is not to learn. A Chinese colleague speaks Chinese only in the Central TV dialect. 75% of Chinese people do not understand it.
    Prices for the Chinese and Shuravi are different. Even a colleague is mistaken for shuravi.
    The economy is growing, a Chinese company in avionics 2 years ago occupied 3 floors. Today it already occupies the entire building (8 floors).
    The Chinese quickly integrate into any political system, but prefer in their Chinatowns. (In any major city in the states and Canada there are Chinatowns).
    On the intercity bus (paid at the end of the trip), you can negotiate with the driver and save 25% if you do not take the ticket.
    The middle class on the beach sunbathes in packages on their heads with cutouts, tanning the face is the lot of workers.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 31 July 2016 04: 39
      0
      Very interesting. Fuck the article!
  24. kpd
    kpd 30 July 2016 16: 04
    +1
    Russia: "Normal working hours cannot exceed 40 hours per week."
    China: work week 60 hours.

    Well, personally, I have some of the questions "why" disappeared by themselves. lol
    Now ask yourself - do we want to work in Chinese?
    Six days a week for ten hours ...
    1. HMR333
      HMR333 30 July 2016 18: 36
      +3
      do not grind nonsense! look at youtube a lot of people in the factories of China take off their usual schedule and lunch clearly someone will not make work at lunch
  25. oking
    oking 30 July 2016 16: 10
    +1
    Quote: vlad007
    I looked at different sources of GDP per capita. GDP is less than in Russia, and significantly.

    In vain eyes spoiled. This is an interesting, but far from the most important indicator. Translating into everyday language, this is the amount of your earnings. And how many credits you earned, what payments you made, whether you received an inheritance from Aunt Charlie from Brazil, he does not take into account. Those. purely one-sided and uninformative indicator.
    Much more interesting is the indicator of well-being of an adult in the country from Credit Suisse (taking into account liabilities and assets of the private sector). And even more interesting is the amount of accumulated atives from Allianz (takes into account everything).
    According to Credit Suisse for 2014 (no recent data available), the average Chinese is almost 2 times richer than the average Russian (192%). And according to Allianz for the same year, the average Chinese is almost 9 times richer than the average Russian (886%). It should be borne in mind that liabilities and assets not in cash are very prone to revaluation. Therefore, data from year to year can be pretty much adjusted. For example, according to the same Allianz for 2013, the average Chinese was richer than the average Russian just a little more than 3 times (326%). Yes, and in 2012. about the same (277%).
    Quote: vlad007
    I was taught this at the institute! This is exactly what is happening in China. They are building new plants! The whole world is developing towards increasing the labor productivity of existing enterprises: with the same number of people using more advanced equipment, more products are produced.

    They taught you badly. In China, new enterprises were not worth it because the old ones worked in one shift. They worked in three shifts. But there was demand, so new ones were built. Now a big problem has emerged, there are enterprises, there are workers for them, but sales are not good. Including because workers are wealthy, they don’t want to work for pennies. And the bourgeois withdraw production in the countries of Southeast Asia.
    What have you been taught about "no demand"? Didn't you teach? That's about how much it costs, your "best free education in the world."
    Quote: vlad007
    The course is greatly understated. With the yuan undervalued, Chinese goods abroad are even cheaper. All countries tell the Chinese that this is dishonest, but THEM THIS DOES NOT WAVE!

    All this stories. If currency can be bought and sold at this rate, then this rate is normal. The rest is speculation and "artistic whistle". And who installs it, it doesn't matter.
    Quote: g1v2
    Naturally, the average standard of living in China is worse than ours - there is always not enough for everyone.

    Who told you that? Just in case, I want to inform you that today the main tourists in the world are "poor Chinese". The rest are far behind. In addition, the level of salaries in China is one third higher than in Russia (07.2016). And this is at their penny prices for many locally produced goods.
    Quote: g1v2
    Over Beijing was constantly able

    You watch less TV.
    1. OLGRIN
      OLGRIN 30 July 2016 19: 40
      -1
      Have you been to China often? It seems not once. In Beijing, the trees are gray foliage.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 01: 06
      -1
      Comrade, you make people’s nerves, break old saber and stereotypes, mostly they don’t like takoe ...
  26. Odysseus
    Odysseus 30 July 2016 17: 19
    +8
    Briefly go through all the points.
    1) There is a lot of information about the PRC. Both on the Internet and in paper and book form. There are relevant institutes that are involved in the PRC (for example, in Moscow you can go to the Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences near the Trade Union and buy relevant literature), there are enthusiastic bloggers, etc.
    2) In terms of GDP, it is still less per capita than in the Russian Federation. But dynamics is important here. In 1990, the Chinese economy was smaller than the economy of the RSFSR, now it exceeds it many times. In 1990, GDP per capita in people in China was 10 times less than in Soviet Russia. Now the difference is 1,5 times. But it’s better to look at natural, rather than monetary, indicators, such as electricity production. In Russia, compared with 1990, decreased !!! , in China increased by almost 10 times, etc.
    3) It is not clear what the author understands as the Social Sphere, if the construction of kindergartens, hospitals, schools, etc., then in China they are being built at a phenomenal pace, if the level of consumption, then it is growing by leaps and bounds (especially after In 2008, when the course was taken to reorient the economy to the domestic market). By the way, I note that if you raise the level of consumption of 1370 million citizens of the PRC to the American level (secured by the resources and finances of the whole world), then the resources of planet Earth will not be physically sufficient, not saying that there’s nothing left for the rest.
    4) About fertility. The "one child" policy was adopted with the aim of limiting growth It fulfilled its task and it has now been canceled. But I note that the population of the PRC continues to grow at a rate of 7 million people a year. The PRC is not faced with a shortage of labor resources (in Russia it is acute), but the problem of giving everyone work.
    5) The growth of industry in the PRC was indeed initially extensive, which is completely normal for a country conducting primary industrialization and in need of providing jobs for its huge population, but this period has long passed. Now there is a "Sinification" of all advanced industries.
    6) As for pensions, again we need to look at the dynamics of the process. The pension system covers an increasing number of people and pensions are growing. If compared with the 80s, it is heaven and earth.
    7) It is generally incomprehensible to "run over" the yuan. Only the competitors of the PRC in trade within the framework of the trade struggle call the yuan "undervalued".
    8) There really are problems in the party, but they are not related to the growth of members, but to the pressure that the market economy has with its primacy of profit on communist principles and social principles. But in China, this acute problem is well understood. Can they be solved? We will see.
    PS A strange question, what did the Chinese do? For 60 years, they from a poor, backward, feudal country that until 100 years had been exploited by all and sundry, built a world superpower.
    1. vlad007
      30 July 2016 18: 10
      0
      Thanks, one of the best comments!
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 30 July 2016 20: 47
        +3
        Quote: vlad007
        Thanks, one of the best comments!

        It's my pleasure. But we must remember that we are sometimes let down by the peculiarity of Russian thinking, which is aphoristically described by the phrase: "Either the chest in crosses or the head in the bushes" (although sometimes it helps us). We often see either black or white and this prevents us from looking at things realistically. In this case, the fact of the PRC's phenomenal achievements does not negate the presence of acute problems and contradictions there, which must not be forgotten. I will briefly describe the main ones:
        1) The socialist principles on which the Chinese society is built come into conflict with the "basis" with private tendencies in the economy of the PRC, which potentially threatens many problems, the main of which is the possibility of the party's degeneration with the threat of Chinese "restructuring".
        2) The whole world has already been divided, almost all resources are distributed among the main capitalist "players" and the rapid growth in consumption of the huge population of the PRC cannot but lead to a struggle for the redistribution of spheres of influence and for resources. The struggle primarily between the PRC and the United States (as the hegemon cap. the world).
        3) The transformation of China into a workshop of the world could not but lead to very acute environmental problems. And although the Chinese government is making great efforts to resolve them, the severity of the problems does not decrease. As you know, spoiling something is much easier than restoring it.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 30 July 2016 22: 09
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          2) The whole world has already been divided, almost all resources are distributed among the main capitalist "players" and the rapid growth in consumption of the huge population of the PRC cannot but lead to a struggle for the redistribution of spheres of influence and for resources. The struggle primarily between the PRC and the United States (as the hegemon cap. the world).

          In vain are limited to China and the United States. We must not forget that Russia is no longer a socialist state, but a young and hungry imperialist predator. And in the struggle for resources, he does not want to give in to anyone. So all the most interesting is ahead.
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 31 July 2016 01: 17
          -1
          The dead do not have problems .... Yes, yes, dase the rich toze are bawling (from their own, it must be assumed) ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 01: 13
      0
      And you go there comrade! Toze skating rink on stereotypes! Well, it’s not so! Ludi sleep calmly can not ...
    3. Days
      Days 31 July 2016 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Odyssey

      2) In terms of GDP, it is still less per capita than in the Russian Federation. But dynamics is important here. In 1990, the Chinese economy was smaller than the economy of the RSFSR, now it exceeds it many times. In 1990, GDP per capita in people in China was 10 times less than in Soviet Russia. Now the difference is 1,5 times. But it’s better to look at natural, rather than monetary, indicators, such as electricity production. In Russia, compared with 1990, decreased !!! , in China increased by almost 10 times

      Really? The USSR overtook the Russian Federation, but within the borders of the Russian Federation, electricity generation surpassed the level of the beginning of the 90s in 2007. Here is a link with outdated data: http://bourabai.kz/toe/rusenergy.htm
      the whole USSR 1988 - 1705 billion kWh
      RSFRS 1990 - 1082 billion kWh

      And now on the website of the Ministry of Energy we will see the statistics: http://minenergo.gov.ru/activity/statistic (we will choose the most recent period for which there is data, i.e. June 2015 - June 2016):
      RF (06.2015 - 06.2016) - 1132 billion kWh
      Quote: Odyssey

      PS A strange question, what did the Chinese do? For 60 years, they from a poor, backward, feudal country that until 100 years had been exploited by all and sundry, built a world superpower.

      Just remember that until these hundred years, China has been the strongest economy on the planet for a very long time. Before the British Empire staged opium wars (followed by a Taiping uprising) in China, which together became the largest and bloodiest in history at that time (before the First World War).
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 1 August 2016 01: 56
        0
        Quote: Dagen
        Really? The USSR overtook the Russian Federation, but within the borders of the Russian Federation, electricity generation surpassed the level of the beginning of the 90s in 2007. Here is a link with outdated data: //bourabai.kz/toe/rusenergy.htm
        the whole USSR in 1988 - 1705 billion kWh
        RSFRS 1990 - 1082 billion kWh

        That is so. Electricity production in the Russian Federation in 2015 increased by 0,3% compared to 2014 and amounted to 1063 billion kWh. This is stated in the materials of the Federal State Statistics Service.
        RSFRS 1990 - 1082 billion kWh. That is, it is easy to see that in 2014 and 2015, the Soviet level was not achieved.
        Quote: Dagen
        Just remember that until these hundred years, China has been the strongest economy on the planet for a very long time. Before the British Empire staged opium wars (followed by a Taiping uprising) in China, which together became the largest and bloodiest in history at that time (before the First World War).

        These are pre-capitalist times, "legends of deep antiquity." The fact is that the traditional Chinese civilization in the 19th century collided with Western capitalism and was defeated.
        1. Days
          Days 1 August 2016 15: 03
          0
          But, will you agree that the statement about "the level has not been reached" is perceived differently if it is known that in 2016 it will be reached? Considering "RF (06.2015 - 06.2016): 1132 billion kWh".

          And the same about the PRC. The most populated region of the world has lost in productivity due to the lag in scientific and technological progress, but now, with comparable progress (although the PRC is still lagging behind the "golden billion"), everything is back to square one.
  27. behemot
    behemot 30 July 2016 17: 40
    +1
    I don’t know who has less there, but the fact is that their army is huge and armed well enough, as a result, the Nigerian monkey doesn’t blink much towards them, since it’s possible to get Lyuli, the same applies to the witch Hillary. The fact that they are developing extensively is temporary, the industry will be saturated, they will develop along an intensive path.
    1. Allax
      Allax 3 August 2016 23: 47
      0
      In the relationship between the United States and the Chinese, the Chinese army plays a small role.
      Because, firstly, with the current ratio of the Navy and the Air Force (not to mention nuclear weapons), the Chinese army will not get to the United States; secondly, while China is the largest holder of Amer’s bonds, it can always scare the United States with a massive sale of these bonds
  28. cedar
    cedar 30 July 2016 17: 54
    0
    Quote: BlackMokona
    The economic miracle of China was also created by foreigners, especially the Americans.


    Long ago, the Rothschilds became Americans ..?
  29. HMR333
    HMR333 30 July 2016 18: 29
    +2
    Well, the author burns did not even read the next paragraph! what figures are the biggest economy in the world carl! a lot of enterprises! fast growing army and navy! what gdp per capita they have differently they have no pensions children provide parents and even themselves ..... a lot .... megacities grow like mushrooms!
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  31. Verdun
    Verdun 30 July 2016 19: 27
    +1
    The article is an attempt by a person who has never seen a tiger to describe this tiger, holding his tail in the dark.
    1. GDP. As usual, the devil is in the details. Russia's GDP takes into account growth due to sales of imported goods. How many goods do you think China imports?
    We omit points 2 and 3 — the subjective perception of a person who has never seen how people work and give birth somewhere in Africa.
    4. Industrial growth. I absolutely do not understand how it relates in the author’s head to the number of work shifts. But, even assuming that it correlates, how can labor supply in Russia be compared with a population of 150 people and China, with a population of more than a billion?
    5. The fixed rate of the renminbi. As some believe, artificially low. But I suppose, in order to understand this, one must live in China, receiving a salary in these same yuan. And then, according to official figures, we have practically no inflation. Does everyone feel it?
    6. The Communist Party. I did not understand the opinion of the author at all. On the one hand, he writes about a career through the Communist Party, and on the other, about a teacher overcoming difficulties.
    China is a huge country with a large population. Its culture is very different from the European culture we are accustomed to, from the culture of neighboring Asian countries. My grandfather lived in China for six years. When we had "forever friendship", chemical plants were built according to his designs. Has received state awards from the People's Republic of China. That is, he did not hold the tiger by the tail, but one might say - he saw it in the face. And I still didn't understand a lot. And the author of the article is trying to compose a picture using data and videos of dubious value from the Internet. Wonderful! request
    1. vlad007
      31 July 2016 20: 20
      0
      Sorry, I’ll keep in mind, but basically nothing terrible happened! I was afraid that people would not even discuss. I had it on another site!
  32. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 July 2016 19: 53
    +3
    Size and performance can give an idea of ​​China's economy.
    seaports.
    Any of China's 10 largest ports handles more cargo than ALL ports
    Russia combined.
    Productivity of the 10 largest ports: from 12 to 30 million (!) Containers per year.
  33. OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 30 July 2016 20: 09
    +5
    China is the only country in which I visit, where ordinary people in a conversation on the street say to me: "Russians and Chinese are brothers!" (though I have not been to Serbia, judging by the Serbs whom I met, they treat us well). In China, there are inscriptions in Russian on Chinese monuments, where else have you seen this? The culture is completely different, but that's why they are interesting to us. If you behave with dignity and honesty, then the Chinese will treat you like a family. China is rapidly changing and getting rich. For 25 years we have shown them how to kill a Great Country, and during this time they have shown us how to create a Great Country. Also on this site I often read that China is dangerous to us and India is a friend. Has anyone been to India? These are chmari, lazy people and English bedding. Well, here's an example: in China, for example, if you leave a bag in a store, you can come for it and after 2 days, in India it will fall. Although after a good tip, they shouted to me there: "Russia from good!"
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 01: 39
      0
      I have also noticed that Indians are Anglo-Saxon litter. Indians from the times of British colonization to this day have remained servile, worship, fawning before the white masters ... The Golem Stockholm Syndrome is half over! The reason for this, I think, lies in the traditional centuries-old caste (slave ) the device of the censorship. From India, it became the European-colonial British Crown, the Indians of the Plow plowed white people, did not revolt, demolished humiliations, beatings ... China didn’t colonize with the efforts of all the great daring, the Chinese rejected rebellions, revolutions ...., West udolos foxes will lower China into a Putin chaos and wars for a century ....
  34. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 30 July 2016 20: 36
    +2
    1. GDP is less than in Russia
    .
    I do not think that the comparison is correct, it is necessary to compare by the standard of living. Corruption flourishes there, but I think per capita is stolen there less than ours, which means that the difference in GDP is incomparable, not to mention consumer prices. goods, food and communal services - which are many times higher.
    2. I watched several documentaries about China, but not nashenskih.

    It is unclear what you are writing about. Want to say that everything is bad? Let me remind you that once in the USSR hostels gave exactly the same thing, while people stood in line for apartments. Only in China is this a hundred times more acute problem.
    3. About 20 years ago, China limited fertility on the principle of "one family - one child."

    Firstly, this is a big problem in China, there are more and more old people, and more and more the economic burden on the working population, but then the restrictions were justified. The cancellation will cause boomers and in general it is not clear what to do with it, but the decision is again simply necessary.
    As for the comparison with Russia, unfortunately, pensioners die like flies, and many men simply do not live to see retirement.
    4. EXTENSIVE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT. I was taught this at the institute! This is exactly what is happening in China.

    I didn’t understand what you wanted to say, but it seems to me more and more that you are cunning and trying to compare China with what is beneficial, then with Russia, then with the USSR. But if we talk about the USSR, I can cite as an example the development of virgin lands on a huge scale. I’m not sure how intense the development was at that time, but the extensive approach is also there. So to oppose China and the USSR in this regard is stupid.
    1. vlad007
      31 July 2016 20: 25
      0
      Thanks, very nice comment! I’m not cunning, I have more information than I wrote. I was afraid that no one would discuss. I had this on another site. Not a single comment!
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  36. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 30 July 2016 20: 36
    +3
    5. In China, government pensions are received only by government employees! The rest of the pension must be paid by the employer! Since the Communist Party rules, it can be assumed that the majority of civil servants are communists.

    This only says that they do not have a pension fund, and that care for pensioners is passed on to employers. And who has an employer for civil servants? That's right, state. The controversial system, of course, but whether the Communists or not have nothing to do with it.
    6. In China, the fixed exchange rate of the yuan: the course sets the Central Bank, and directs the Central Bank of the Communist Party. The course is greatly undervalued. With an undervalued yuan rate, Chinese goods abroad are even cheaper. All countries tell the Chinese that this is not fair, but THAT IT DOESN'T LIFE!

    Uh-huh, there is no word "dishonest" in politics at all, but do you know what else is dishonest? Prevent the American economy from falling, and the whole world is also talking about this. All countries think about themselves first of all.
    As for the retention of exchange rates, I know economies with this policy, very successful, for example the USSR
    8. The number of members of the Communist Party. Wikipedia figures: 56 year - 10 million, 15 year - 86 million. It seems that everything is in order, an increase of 8 times. But! According to unofficial sources, over the past 10-15 years, about 100 million people have left the party!

    Do you discuss rumors or figures? At the beginning of the article, you are encouraged to discuss the numbers, so discuss them
    9. There are many videos about China on YouTube. Type in the search engine "our in China." First, put a glass of water nearby: if you feel sick, you can relieve vomiting!
    I looked and saw people in our terrible conditions.

    In short, my opinion about China has not changed much, although I know little about it, and your opinion is definitely bad, since with your "article" you are trying to create a bad idea of ​​China without those numbers.

    China, IMHO, is a very peculiar country and is trying to survive. A country with enormous social problems, to match the size of its population, but the growth of living standards, not retarded culture, GDP growth - all this suggests that the country is developing. Yes, technology is being stolen, but it is doubtful that they are not trying to master it. Yes, people do not live there very well, but the situation is improving. Yes, much can be called inhuman, but they are used to it and it is better than before.
    1. vlad007
      31 July 2016 20: 27
      0
      Thank you, I wish you health and happiness!
  37. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 30 July 2016 20: 56
    -1
    Quote: g1v2
    Well, the question is what? The source of power of China and at the same time its weakness is one and a half lard population. Even if a billion people engaged in production and cx is a huge power. Only to feed and provide such a population requires a huge industry. At the same time, the United States has the same GDP, with a much smaller share of industry and cx. Finance, software and stock market control give mattresses as many as thousands of factories for the Chinese. But for this you need to be at the top of the pyramid. request hi


    In general, it is. We must not forget that the United States receives cheap resources and gold and foreign exchange reserves of other states by seizing power in them in one form or another. Without this robbery in their super-optimal economy, serious disruptions begin. It is with this that their desire for a unipolar world is connected with police orders and raspberry pants. Therefore, I believe that a comparison of development models and the economy of China and developed capital countries is incorrect.
    Recently I talked with a man who traveled well in China. He told this ...)))
    In general, they pray there for money, and for the sake of money they are ready to sell their mother. The party declares that money must be loved until communism is built. That is, communism, they have it as a kind of national idea, but the Chinese somehow do not set themselves the real task of achieving communism. Their collectivism is quite specific, but it is, which is good. In general, a very practical and rather cruel people. To substitute for the sake of profit, and to do this in an organized manner, according to the scheme, it is quite practiced by them. All these stories about the pursuit of victims of road accidents in order to avoid the cost of life-long maintenance and treatment of a crippled pedestrian, jumping under the wheels of a car for the purpose of extortion, staging fights with the goal of being put into jail, again, with the purpose of extortion, etc., there are such numbers that we can talk about the trend.
    In short, to build communism they lack the Russian breadth of soul. Therefore, they live in some strange mutation of communism. The Communist Party essentially plays the role of the regulator and the legislature in one person, as I understand it. In general, I think that economically China is quite effective, even in comparison with the USA, but science is weak, and the mentality will not allow them to build a really socially fair society. So they will strive for money and for expansion.
  38. srha
    srha 30 July 2016 21: 25
    +1
    Watch the Chinese TV series "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and you will understand a lot about China.
  39. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 July 2016 21: 58
    -1
    I was in China (I did not read the posts). In the rural outback. I immediately remembered the pioneer camp of the USSR, only much worse. Coal heating stove right in the classroom, shower - idiot's dream, one telly on the barracks. They brought them to school, take them off for the weekend, like tiered beds in the zone. They give food along with slogans and smelly socks, but COMPUTERS ANYWHERE with the latest technology. And they are satisfied.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 30 July 2016 22: 10
      0
      They didn’t give Sal, I didn’t like it. But I sniffed the socks.
  40. AB0877
    AB0877 30 July 2016 22: 47
    +3
    Multiple answers.
    1. Telecom. Look at the sales of Huawei in the world or the same ZTE in the domestic market of China (and it is huge!). I’m talking specifically about network equipment (equipment of transport networks, mobile and fixed networks, monitoring and network management systems), and not about subscriber equipment (here you can argue, but progress is obvious) = phones / smartphones. Look at the R&D center of the same Huawei in Shenzhen. Ask the experts what percentage of software (and its support) for leading Western vendors (ex Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Nokia ...) is produced in China.
    2. China is a nuclear power.
    3. The level of their technology has allowed to bring a person into space, are preparing to launch on the moon. Yes, this is more of a propaganda decision, but there is a resource for its implementation.
    4. Look at China's level of investment in exploration / development of natural resources in Africa and Latin America.
    5. "Small things" such as buying a car division of SAAB or Jaguar. It is clear that money is down the drain, but they can afford it.
    And all this for some 20-25 years.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 July 2016 23: 36
      0
      China is a manufacturing powder keg - one spark and it will glow with all the colors of the rainbow, and the most polluting country in the world in ecology.
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 31 July 2016 11: 32
      -1
      SAAB or Jaguar Automotive
      Only MG and Volvo.
    3. Outsider V.
      Outsider V. 31 July 2016 17: 09
      0
      Look at the sales of Huawei in the world or the same ZTE


      Huawei's successes (translated from English as "Wrong way" :)) are really impressive. The job is to keep track of their wars with Ericsson. The Chinese beat Ericsson in the tail and mane not only in terms of sales in various regions, but also in wars of world standards. And this is aerobatics.

      As for ZTE, the opposite opinion was formed - in my memory they successfully profuked a whole market niche (M2M modems for CDMA-450), although they were the sole market holders.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 31 July 2016 19: 55
        -1
        Huashchei (translated from English as "Wrong way" :))
        It seems to translate as "China can"
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 31 July 2016 20: 54
          0
          Thank you, I didn’t. But I like my option more :)
  41. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 31 July 2016 05: 52
    +1
    China has overtaken us for many years. But this is not a reason for whining, but in order to gather strength and, like the Chinese, focus on themselves and their problems and solve them.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 31 July 2016 07: 08
      0
      Overtake then overtook. But Kalash really can’t do it. Hands, metal, technology are not the same. Who does it with us? - women (strange yes), and they?
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 52
      0
      To problems resat-work need a lot and hard! And do not rant about the duration of the working week.
  42. srha
    srha 31 July 2016 06: 55
    +2
    When discussing the techno-economic successes of China, one should bear in mind the fate of Japan. Who is older remember how she filled the world with goods in the 70s and began to openly fight for the title of the first manufacturer in the world. But since their "miracle" was based on state-controlled markets, the Plaza agreement in New York in 1985 strangled it (of course, the agreement is only one of the attempted "strangulation" techniques, just a landmark), and already in 2010- m the Japanese gave the second place to China. China has the same base and has already begun to "slow down" it.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 31 July 2016 11: 57
      +1
      China, unlike Japan, is a nuclear dare ... And there are no hundreds of American (essentially occupying) military bases. Yes, and in terms of drug dealer, drug addict addict (consumer), the more dependent side ...
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 31 July 2016 12: 16
        -1
        China in distinction from Japan - nuclear daring
        Japan, in fact, also has the technology they all have, including rocket. And they surpass the Chinese for a hundred years. They just need an assembly shop for two days - and everything will be.
      2. vlad007
        31 July 2016 20: 41
        0
        "Woman! Your day is March 8th!" Joke. I loved all your comments and style! Recently came to this site and did not know whether I will stay or not! I am not an expert in military affairs. I am staying only because of you! Conquered!
        "Men conquer women first, and then they cannot take time off for a walk with friends."
  43. Brave Schweik-2
    Brave Schweik-2 31 July 2016 10: 23
    -2
    The Chinese have always been friends with us. In the 20s, Russians were sheltered in Harbin. In the 50s, they were faithful allies when in Korea we taught the US the wisdom. And in the 90s, who provided us with cheap consumer goods? So to us, brothers, without the Chinese, nowhere!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 August 2016 16: 19
      +2
      And in the 69th "friends" crumbled our border guards on Damansky Island, at the same time anti-Soviet demonstrations were held in Beijing.
  44. Freeman
    Freeman 31 July 2016 14: 13
    +2
    Quote: Brave Schweik-2
    The Chinese have always been friends with us. 1. In the 20s Russians sheltered in Harbin. 2. In the 50s we were faithful allies, when in Korea we taught the United States the mind. 3. And in the 90s, who provided us with cheap consumer goods? 4. So to us, brothers, without the Chinese, nowhere!


    1. Harbin was founded by the Russians during the construction of the CER and was de facto extraterritorial, like the entire CER route, because controlled by the Russian administration and guarded by a special Guard. In the 20s, many who left Russia during the Civil War settled there. No Chinese specially provided them with refuge there.
    In 1929, the Red Army had to remind the Chinese of the special status of the CER.

    2. in the first half of the 50s, yes. "The Chinese and the Russian are brothers forever." And from the second half - the Russian "paper tiger" was an enemy more important than the American "paper tiger". And our "happiness" that we temporarily receded into the background. And if China does not directly "run into" the territory of present-day Russia, then on the territory of the former USSR it "frolics" to the fullest (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan).

    3. In the 90s, they didn’t provide humanitarian assistance to us with their "cheap consumer goods" either. With our "labor pennies", we helped Chinese handicraft workshops develop into full-fledged industrial production.

    4. Oh, okay! They will accumulate more "economic fat" and the world will again become "bipolar" - only without Russia, but at its expense. The states are behind the "puddle", and we are close by.
  45. Swed
    Swed 31 July 2016 15: 58
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    9. There are many videos about China on YouTube. Type in the search engine "our in China." First, put a glass of water nearby: if you feel sick, you can relieve vomiting!

    ???? Copied - issued by ours in China # 77. I realized that it was clearly not the first series, I revised everything (it just became interesting). Tearing did not draw. For the first time, an article made me study someone’s culture, and it doesn’t matter that on this point I can’t agree at all, but life in China has the right to life.
  46. Outsider V.
    Outsider V. 31 July 2016 16: 41
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    To the author of the article (vlad007).

    Thanks, interesting, but it's all sucked up pretty well.

    I suggest you in the following articles develop a less well-worn topic: the interaction / struggle of power groups in China and its influence on the country's course.

    I am not at all a specialist in modern China (and in ancient too :)), but as a starting point I will share what I came across in separate articles on this topic:

    There are up to 9 serious groups in power:

    1. Army (PLA). In fact, the rules until 1989
    2. Party groupings within the party (CCP). Now the CCP is represented mainly by the "Shanghai" group. The most famous representatives are Jiang Zemin, who restored the CCP's influence in 1989, and Xi Jinping. The southern pati clan of "Hong Kongers" (once led by Deng Xiaoping) is now pushed into the background.
    3. "Reformers" from the former Chinese Komsomol (KSMK). Hu Jintao is their man. The organization of the "Maidan" on Tiananmen Square is attributed to them.
    4. Regional elites, etc.

    There is a rotation system with a ten-year cycle: the "Shanghai" and "Komsomol reformers" change places, dividing the highest posts. Since 2012, the decade of the "Shanghai" began.

    If you take up this topic, it will be great. I can only wish you good luck.
    1. vlad007
      31 July 2016 20: 35
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      Thank you, I wish you health and happiness!
  47. magician
    magician 31 July 2016 19: 33
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    Well, why so soon tomatoes? There is a Chinese miracle in the economy, but how long it will last, I think for 30-45 years. Reasons: the lack of an engineering school, a female way of thinking, good imitators and copyists, the quality of products of our own production is mediocre. The production of socks and vegetables is certainly not an indicator. A comparison with the Egyptians comes to my mind, but did they build the pyramids that we admire so much? Perhaps those who owe their historical role in science, medicine, etc., modern China, lived in China, but let me say, where is the continuation, development? In the history of mankind, there are many secrets and hoaxes, in my opinion China is definitely someone who has inflated hoaxes.
  48. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 31 July 2016 20: 12
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    China is booming, the economy is growing. And EVERYTHING (!) The rest are FALLING or supposedly grow at the expense of CREDITING by those suckers whom the p.i.d.o.s.s. shod bent or bought (including both China and Russia). Of course, China does not have much resources, but (!) Chinese civilization is the MOST ANCIENT on the planet and THEY ARE NOT HURRYING ANYWHERE! With ANOTHER WORLD mess, they will be the ones to win (if they choose the right ally).
    1. Mobik
      Mobik 1 August 2016 08: 13
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      Yeah ... why do those who talk about the history of China have the most mediocre idea come to reason about China. With the next mess, China will hack, as in previous cycles. They have an export-oriented economy, this type of economy is possible only with a single dollar system, as soon as the dollar dies, all this globalization of yours will collapse and drag out the export-oriented economies. We remove the variable dollar from the trade balance of Russia-China. Will Russia's balance be negative, is it logical? This means that there will be a lack of yuan in the Russian market, the yuan will become too expensive to buy Chinese goods. And the yuan will be expensive until the Russia-China trade balance is aligned. And this is a decline in exports for China.
  49. sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 August 2016 11: 00
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    A bit of personal experience. I liked China. The people are friendly. People treat people in uniform very respectfully. Any. Well, let alone a man in an army uniform ... the CCP does not rule everyone. In fact, there are several dozen parties in parliament. Communists are respected. This is the first government that fed the people. Not the first one that tried, but the first one that succeeded in real life. Non-believers can visit the Shanghai Museum (under the TV tower). There is available about the "crunch of a French roll" in the Chinese version. One example. In poor families, back in the 20s, girls who were born were drowned in the river.
    The military itself saved the country with Tiananmen when, after Gorbachev's arrival, the Chinese advanced "communists" tried to arrange "perestroika." Everything was furnished competently. The CCP cleared itself ... the intrigues of imperialism ... In real life, the army grandfathers, who started under Mao, ruled everything. People with the right outlook on life. The grandfathers saved. The sons have developed. With grandchildren - it is not yet clear.
    The country is seriously behind the industry. But there are changes. Factory owners showed proudly treatment facilities. Pleasure is not cheap, but it seems to be a new trend. The rooms above and near the factories are dormitories. Locals live in normal apartments. Chinese manufacturers have learned to tear prices. If earlier (15 years ago) they were ready to work at any price, now flint is in the negotiations. Our price: want-buy, do not want -...
    In terms of standard of living - everything is very difficult, but the main point - it worked well - you will spend good old age.
    Regarding vomiting: the Chinese have come up with the best food of all time - the Peking duck. Not to be confused with a duck from a microwave in Moscow elite restaurants. Is a song. Trying is a must. Everything else (well, except for local dumplings) is rare rubbish. But no one bothers to go to any Uigur tavern. Sanitation and hygiene are terms from another world.
    There are no Russian establishments in Shanghai. There were, but they got into trouble. There is a good German restaurant with its own brewery. Prices, really ... But beer ... Although the local "Jintao" is nothing. Near the brewery is the pearl market. If your wife and wife are unhappy with the beer, give them 5 thousand yuan and take them there. You can forget about your wife until evening.
    A separate issue is children. Here the state does not skimp. Kindergartens, schools (of course, there are still some remote rural areas, but we are not talking about exceptions) - at the highest level. Security at each institution. Indeed, children are our future.
  50. sandroart
    sandroart 2 August 2016 10: 09
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    China, China, friends, friends, the first economy of the world ... Is it nothing that it is essentially a production factory of the West? Or is it all good that they severely spoil the environment for their industrial growth? And this is a neighboring state for us. And by the way, only China after Hitler Germany attacked us, violating our state border (Border conflict on Damansky Island) My opinion about China is like cockroaches, they were friends, they are friends, Russia will say the enemy, they will stand and crawl on us.